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How to Exercise for Strength Gains & Hormone Optimization | Dr. Duncan French

In this episode, I talk to Dr. Duncan French, Ph.D., the Vice President of Performance at the UFC Performance Institute and a world-class performance specialist. We discuss specific resistance (weight) training regimens for increasing testosterone in men and women and how to vary mechanical loads and rest between sets and workouts to optimize hormone output and training results. We also discuss how stress-induced catecholamines can increase or decrease testosterone depending on duration and mindset. We discuss specific cold and heat therapies for increasing resilience, reducing inflammation, promoting heat shock proteins and more. We discuss nutrition for training and how to match nutrition to training goals and metabolic flexibility. We discuss mental focus and how long to train for skill development. Finally, we discuss how mixed martial arts and the UFC Performance Institute are a template for exploring human performance more generally. This episode is intended for anyone interested in athletic and mental performance: athletes, students and recreational exercisers, and includes both science and many practical tools people can apply in their own training. For an up-to-date list of our current sponsors, please visit our website: https://www.hubermanlab.com/sponsors. Previous sponsors mentioned in this podcast episode may no longer be affiliated with us. Dr. Duncan French: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dr_duncan_french LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/duncan-french-phd-a41bb9122 Social: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter - https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab Website - https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter - https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Timestamps: 00:00:00 Dr. Duncan French 00:02:27 Roka, Helix Sleep, Headspace 00:05:44 Duncan’s Background in Exercise Science 00:11:45 How Certain Exercises Increase Testosterone 00:16:22 What Kind of Training Increases Testosterone & Growth Hormone? 00:20:19 Intensity: Mechanical Load; Volume: Metabolic Load; Inter-set Rest Periods 00:25:25 Training Frequency & Combining Workout Goals 00:29:35 How Stress Can Increase or Decrease Testosterone 00:36:55 Using Cold Exposure for Mindset, Anti-Inflammation, Muscle-Growth 00:46:55 Skill Development 00:50:05 Why Hard Exercise Creates Brain Fog: Role of Nutrition 00:53:55 Low-Carbohydrate Versus All-Macronutrient Diets on Performance 00:56:15 Ketones & Brain Energy, Offsetting Brain Injury; Spiking Glucose During Ketosis 00:59:13 Metabolic Efficiency, Matching Nutrition to Training, “Needs Based Eating” 01:05:00 Duncan’s Work with Olympic Athletes, NCAA, UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) 01:08:00 Why UFC & MMA (Mixed-Martial Arts) Are So Valuable for Advancing Performance 01:12:40 Voluntarily Switching Between Different States of Arousal 01:14:30 Heat, Getting Better at Sweating, Heat Shock Proteins, Sauna 01:20:12 Using Rotating 12-Week Training Programs; Logging Objective & Subjective Data 01:24:07 Surprising & Unknown Aspects of The UFC and UFC Performance Institute 01:27:45 Conclusions, Zero-Cost Support, Sponsors, Supplements, Instagram Please note that The Huberman Lab Podcast is distinct from Dr. Huberman's teaching and research roles at Stanford University School of Medicine. The information provided in this show is not medical advice, nor should it be taken or applied as a replacement for medical advice. The Huberman Lab Podcast, its employees, guests and affiliates assume no liability for the application of the information discussed.

Andrew HubermanhostDr. Duncan Frenchguest
Nov 8, 20211h 30mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 8:40

    Intro to Dr. Duncan French and Hormone-Focused Training

    Huberman introduces Dr. Duncan French, outlining his background in exercise physiology, elite sport, and his role at the UFC Performance Institute. They set the stage for a conversation centered on how training order, load, and duration affect hormones like testosterone, estrogen, cortisol, and catecholamines, and how French translates mechanistic science into practical protocols.

  2. 8:40 – 25:40

    French’s Career Path and Perspective on Performance Science

    French describes his origins in northern England, his early career as a PE teacher, and his determination to enter elite sport and research. He recounts cold-contacting major researchers, eventually securing a PhD position in the U.S., and highlights the value of wearing multiple hats: scientist, coach, educator, and high-performance leader.

  3. 25:40 – 35:00

    How Resistance Training Drives Testosterone and Growth

    They dive into how heavy compound resistance training acutely elevates testosterone in both men and women, via adrenal and gonadal pathways. French explains that testosterone acts on many tissues beyond muscle and outlines the specific set-rep-rest schemes his research used to maximize anabolic hormone responses.

  4. 35:00 – 47:00

    Programming Hypertrophy: Volume, Rest, and Frequency

    French and Huberman unpack the practical implications of his lab protocols, emphasizing that shorter rest intervals and appropriately high volume are crucial for muscle growth. They discuss training frequency, the need to suffer metabolically in hypertrophy sessions, and how different training ages change what frequency is sustainable.

  5. 47:00 – 1:03:00

    Stress, Catecholamines, and Performance Enhancement

    They explore French’s PhD work on sympathetic arousal, epinephrine, and testosterone in the context of intense workouts, using parachute jump research as a conceptual model. French shows that anticipating a hard session triggers a physiological stress response that, when properly harnessed, improves performance and hormone output.

  6. 1:03:00 – 1:18:00

    Cold Exposure: Stress, Recovery, and When It Backfires

    The conversation shifts to cold exposure and its dual roles as a mental stressor and a physiological recovery tool. French explains that the body does not distinguish between different stress types at the level of the sympathetic response and highlights emerging evidence that post-training cold can blunt hypertrophy and strength adaptations.

  7. 1:18:00 – 1:33:00

    Skill Acquisition, Neural Fatigue, and Quality over Quantity

    Huberman and French discuss how skill training differs from pure conditioning: it is not about accumulating volume but rehearsing high-quality, accurate movements. Fatigue rapidly degrades technique, and the best athletes and coaches stop sessions when technique falters, favoring many short, intense, mentally focused practices over marathon sessions.

  8. 1:33:00 – 1:47:00

    Metabolic Efficiency and Periodized Nutrition

    French outlines how the UFC Performance Institute structures athletes’ diets based on training demands and the concept of metabolic efficiency. Rather than endorsing a single diet, they train athletes to use fats at low intensities and carbohydrates at high intensities, often combining low-carb baselines with precisely timed carb intake around hard sessions.

  9. 1:47:00 – 2:01:00

    French’s Olympic Background and the Complexity of MMA

    French recounts his 14 years in the British Olympic system across multiple sports before moving to Notre Dame and then to the UFC. He contrasts traditional sports with MMA, emphasizing the enormous variability in styles, weight classes, schedules, and demands that make mixed martial arts uniquely challenging to support scientifically.

  10. 2:01:00 – 2:14:00

    Psychological Resilience and State Switching in Fighters

    They examine the mental side of MMA, noting the paradox that fighters are often polite and calm off the mats yet capable of intense aggression in the cage. French underscores the importance of being able to toggle between high-arousal fight mode and low-arousal recovery mode and links this flexibility to sustainable high performance.

  11. 2:14:00 – 2:26:00

    Heat Acclimation, Saunas, and Adaptation-Led Programming

    French explains how the PI uses sauna-based heat acclimation to improve sweating efficiency and assist with safer, shorter weight cuts. He emphasizes that heat is another stressor requiring progressive overload and timing, and broadens the concept of “adaptation-led programming” to encompass training, recovery, nutrition, and environment.

  12. 2:26:00 – 2:38:00

    Experimentation, Time Frames, and Individual Response

    They discuss practical time frames for experimentation for non-elite individuals and the importance of logging subjective and objective responses. French notes that while the PI may use 3-week overreach blocks with pros, recreational trainees can use 12-week blocks to fairly test new protocols, provided they track mood, sleep, and performance.

  13. 2:38:00

    UFC PI’s Broader Mission and Future Directions

    In closing, French describes the UFC Performance Institute’s mission to push the boundaries of human performance science and to share insights beyond MMA. He mentions work with emerging technologies, nutrition, brain health, and collaborations (including with Huberman’s lab) aimed at generating evidence that can benefit athletes and the general public.

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