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Intermittent Fasting to Improve Health, Cognition & Longevity | Dr. Satchin Panda

In this episode my guest is Satchin Panda, PhD, professor and director of the Regulatory Biology Laboratories at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies. We discuss his lab’s discovery that time-restricted eating (TRE), also known as intermittent fasting, has beneficial effects on metabolic health and longevity. Dr. Panda explains how TRE, and longer fasts as well, can positively impact obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular health, age-related chronic diseases and improve mood and cognitive performance. He also describes how the timing of eating, light exposure and exercise that roughly 50% of people engage in negatively affects their health, and he explains how simple adjustments to these factors can improve their subjective sense of wellbeing and biomarkers of cardiovascular function, glucose regulation and metabolism. We discuss how our circadian behaviors, which include patterns of eating, sleeping and socializing, have an enormous impact on our biology, mood and health, and how confining calorie consumption to a semi-regular daily window can enhance physical health, mental health and longevity. Thank you to our sponsors AG1 (Athletic Greens): https://athleticgreens.com/huberman HVMN: https://hvmn.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Thesis: https://takethesis.com/huberman Momentous: https://www.livemomentous.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://www.insidetracker.com/huberman Social & Website Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Dr. Satchin Panda Salk Institute: https://www.salk.edu/scientist/satchidananda-panda Panda Lab: https://panda.salk.edu Publications: https://panda.salk.edu/publications Support Dr. Panda’s Research: https://panda.salk.edu/giving Twitter: https://twitter.com/SatchinPanda Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/satchin.panda Other Resources My Circadian Clock app: https://mycircadianclock.org Ontime Health app: https://getontimehealth.com Articles Revival of light signalling in the postmortem mouse and human retina: https://go.nature.com/3ZWnGro Circadian alignment of early onset caloric restriction promotes longevity in male C57BL/6J mice: https://bit.ly/3ywruE3 Time-restricted eating with or without low-carbohydrate diet reduces visceral fat and improves metabolic syndrome: A randomized trial: http://bit.ly/3LeBdqg Embers of society: Firelight talk among the Ju/’hoansi Bushmen: https://bit.ly/3l65LzK Circadian Entrainment to the Natural Light-Dark Cycle across Seasons and the Weekend: http://bit.ly/3LhsWlm Feasibility of time-restricted eating and impacts on cardiometabolic health in 24-h shift workers: The Healthy Heroes randomized control trial: http://bit.ly/3FeR1FC Access to Electric Light Is Associated with Shorter Sleep Duration in a Traditionally Hunter-Gatherer Community: https://bit.ly/3LivSyj Daily Eating Patterns and Their Impact on Health and Disease: https://bit.ly/3YGIHW6 Books The Circadian Code: https://amzn.to/3FixpAv The Circadian Diabetes Code: https://amzn.to/3FiU7Zm Timestamps 00:00:00 Dr. Satchin Panda 00:03:02 Sponsors: HVMN, Eight Sleep, Thesis, Momentous 00:07:24 Time-Restricted Eating (TRE), Calorie Restriction (CR) & Health 00:14:38 Mealtimes & Circadian Clock 00:21:34 Circadian Rhythm, Meal Anticipation, Digestion 00:25:28 Breaking a Fast, Burning Fat 00:32:49 Sponsor: AG1 (Athletic Greens) 00:34:04 CR, Time Restricted Eating, Circadian Rhythm & Longevity 00:47:20 Gender, Hormones & CR; Relative Energy Deficient in Sports (REDS) 00:52:40 Physical Activity, Nutrition & Feeding Window 00:59:04 Nutrition Timing, Quality & Quantity; Low- Carbohydrate Diet 01:03:00 Caffeine, Nighttime Socialization, Fire, Breakfast 01:15:07 Sponsor: InsideTracker 01:16:20 Circadian Rhythm, “Night Owls” & Genetics 01:26:37 Morning vs. Nighttime Discussions, “Me Time” 01:30:08 Light Sensitivity & “Night Owls”; Puberty, Melatonin 01:36:05 Shift Workers, Health & Disease 01:45:43 Artificial Lights, Young Adults & Sleep, Metabolic Dysfunction 01:50:59 Firefighters, Sleep & TRE; Cardiovascular Health, Blood Glucose 02:05:18 Shift Workers & Sleep; Alcohol & Caffeine 02:09:15 12- Hour Feeding Window for Adults & Children, Sleep 02:22:10 Meal Timing 02:25:20 “Complete Fast”, Longer Fasts, Physical Health & Mental Health 02:28:12 “Fat Fasting”, Blood Glucose & Insulin 02:31:57 Fasting, Metformin, Rapamycin & Longevity; Human Applicability? 02:39:14 Circadian Rhythm & Metabolism 02:41:36 Ontime Health App, Circadian Clock App 02:46:17 Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, YouTube Feedback, Sponsors, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer: https://hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Andrew HubermanhostSatchin Pandaguest
Mar 13, 20232h 49mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 14:38

    Introduction, Definitions: Intermittent Fasting vs. Time‑Restricted Eating

    Huberman introduces Dr. Satchin Panda and frames the discussion around circadian rhythms, fasting, and health. Panda defines intermittent fasting as an umbrella term rooted in classic calorie restriction paradigms (daily CR, alternate‑day fasting, 5:2, periodic fasts) and distinguishes it from time‑restricted feeding/eating (TRF/TRE), where total daily calories can remain constant but eating is limited to a daily window.

  2. 14:38 – 25:28

    Circadian Clocks, Meal Timing, and Anticipation

    Panda explains experiments showing that feeding time can reset circadian clocks in the liver and other tissues independent of the master SCN clock in the brain. Consistent meal timing allows organs to anticipate food—up‑regulating enzymes, hormones, and motility—whereas variable timing creates metabolic ‘jet lag.’

  3. 25:28 – 34:04

    What Breaks a Fast? Fed vs. Fasted and Mouse Metabolism

    They dissect what it means to be ‘fasted’ beyond the colloquial notion of not eating. Panda uses mouse indirect calorimetry data to show how quickly small amounts of food switch the body from fat to carbohydrate oxidation, highlighting that even tiny snacks biochemically break a fast, even if overall calories are low.

  4. 34:04 – 47:20

    Caloric Restriction vs. TRE: Longevity Insights from Mouse Studies

    Panda reviews Joe Takahashi’s Science paper showing that caloric restriction extends lifespan, but aligning restricted calories to the animal’s active phase and consolidating meals yields additional lifespan gains. Timing, not just calories, matters—and common human RCTs often miss this by using small timing changes in already restricted eaters.

  5. 47:20 – 1:03:00

    Safe TRE Windows, RED‑S, and Sex Differences

    They discuss risks of very short eating windows, especially in active people and women. Panda introduces RED‑S and argues that for long‑term health, most should aim for 8–10 (and often up to 12) hours rather than extreme 4‑hour windows or OMAD, particularly when exercise volume is high.

  6. 1:03:00 – 1:16:20

    Caffeine, Breakfast, Firelight, and Evening Socialization

    Panda links the evolution of human evening behavior to firelight and explains how modern evening social media and screens are the new ‘fireside chats.’ He traces the history of coffee from nighttime politics to morning prayers in Istanbul and suggests that breakfast partly arose to buffer coffee’s gastric side effects.

  7. 1:16:20 – 1:36:05

    Night Owls, Teenagers, Light Sensitivity, and Sleep Timing

    They challenge the strong genetic determinism of ‘night owl’ vs. ‘morning lark’ labels by showing how light, schedules, and social context shape sleep timing. Field studies in electricity‑free cultures and camping experiments indicate humans naturally cluster around similar sleep times once artificial light and late obligations are removed.

  8. 1:36:05 – 1:50:59

    Shift Work, Health Risks, and Why It’s Under‑Studied

    Panda frames shift work as a widespread but neglected health issue. He defines it operationally, explains how even sporadic late nights mimic shift work physiology, and points out that shift workers are often excluded from clinical trials, leaving a knowledge gap in how to help them.

  9. 1:50:59 – 2:09:15

    Firefighter Study: TRE Under Extreme Circadian Stress

    Panda describes a randomized trial in full‑time firefighters doing 24‑hour shifts. The primary question was feasibility: can these workers adopt a 10‑hour eating window? Secondarily, the study looked at cardiometabolic outcomes, revealing specific improvements in blood pressure, lipids, and glucose, even without significant weight change.

  10. 2:09:15 – 2:25:20

    Mealtime Consistency, Kids, and How Much We Actually Snack

    Using the MyCircadianClock app, Panda’s team quantified real‑world eating patterns, revealing that most people eat far more frequently and across a longer span than they realize. This creates a huge opportunity: simply shrinking the eating window to 10–12 hours can be a powerful, low‑willpower intervention for adults and children.

  11. 2:25:20 – 2:39:14

    Longer Fasts, Low‑Carb and ‘Fat Fasting,’ and Fasting‑Mimicking Drugs

    They broaden the discussion to multi‑day fasting, low‑carb ‘fat fasting,’ and pharmacologic mimics like metformin, berberine, and rapamycin. Panda is cautiously open but emphasizes unresolved questions about long‑term effects, circadian timing of these interventions, and the dangers of over‑simplifying glucose spikes as uniformly bad.

  12. 2:39:14 – 2:49:06

    Tools, Apps, and Closing Thoughts on Circadian Health

    Panda and Huberman close by underscoring that circadian alignment is a foundational health lever. They highlight research tools like MyCircadianClock and a new consumer‑facing OnTime Health app that integrate sleep, food, and activity timing, and reiterate that scientific understanding will continue to evolve, but timing‑based interventions are already actionable.

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