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Tools for Overcoming Substance & Behavioral Addictions | Ryan Soave

My guest is Ryan Soave, LMHC, a leading expert in addiction recovery with extensive experience helping people heal from all types of substance and behavioral dependencies.

Andrew HubermanhostRyan Soaveguest

Apr 21, 20253h 7mWatch on YouTube ↗

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Defining Addiction: Symptom, Solution, or Diagnosis?
Huberman introduces Ryan Soave and immediately asks how he defines addiction. Soave differentiates DSM substance use disorders from the broader lived reality of addiction, arguing that addiction is often a solution to deep discomfort rather than the root problem. They explore the question “Does it have you, or do you have it?” and highlight how even mundane behaviors can oscillate between healthy and addictive depending on why and how they’re used.
- •DSM doesn’t technically diagnose “addiction” but uses substance/alcohol use disorder with severity levels.
- •Someone can meet criteria for a use disorder at a point in time without being a lifelong “addict.”
- •Soave’s functional definition: addiction as the degree to which a substance/behavior has you, drives you, and serves as your “medicine.”
- •Addiction is a solution to pain or stress that becomes its own major problem.
- •Examples: Netflix bingeing can be benign when sick/on a flight, but harmful when used to avoid difficult life issues and sleep.
From Crisis to Capacity: Detox, Stabilization, and Emotional Tolerance
Soave describes how Guardian Recovery handles acute cases: medical detox and safety first, then gradual psychological and social assessment. He explains why life often feels worse right after stopping substances and why internal “existential crises” are often necessary for treatment to really begin. The focus then shifts to raising distress tolerance so clients can face pain without self-medicating.
- •Initial focus in acute addiction: medical and nursing assessments, safe detox, sometimes ER transfers.
- •Alcohol and some drugs have dangerous withdrawals; stopping cold turkey can be life-threatening.
- •Post-detox, emotional life often feels worse because the “medicine” is gone while underlying problems remain.
- •Treatment aims to create a microcosm of the client’s social universe, provoking real stressors in a safe container.
- •Soave values resistance (“I’m not going to do this”) as useful tension for deep change, not a contraindication.
- •Core clinical work: understand client biologically, psychologically, socially; then build capacity to feel discomfort without reaching for quick relief.
Trauma, Adaptation, and Childhood Roles in Adult Addiction
The discussion turns to trauma as the shaping of nervous systems and beliefs, not just single catastrophic events. Soave explains how kids develop adaptive survival strategies—like caretaking parents, being the family “hero,” or staying invisible—that later become maladaptive when applied to adult life. They explore covert parental dependence on children for emotional needs and how this creates heavy, unconscious roles that show up in addiction and relationships.
- •Trauma is often cumulative shaping rather than one big event; adaptations that were once lifesaving can later become liabilities.
- •Children are frequently assigned roles (hero, scapegoat, caretaker) that become their adult identity template.
- •Using kids to meet parents’ emotional needs (e.g., “My kids are my whole life”) is a covert form of abuse, even if unintentional.
- •Those childhood roles often drive people into helping professions (therapy, nursing) or codependent relationships.
- •Treatment aims to map family system patterns, not to blame parents, but to design systemic solutions.
Addiction, Habits, and the Question: ‘Do I Have It, or Does It Have Me?’
Huberman presses on how to distinguish strong preferences and habits from addiction, using examples like end-of-day drinks, workaholism, and video games. Soave suggests practical litmus tests—like taking 30 days off—and emphasizes honesty plus feedback from others. They discuss addiction as a behavior that crowds out life, distorts priorities, and remains compulsive even when clearly harmful.
- •Self-test: can you quit for a month without obsessing or white-knuckling? If not, it may have you.
- •Look at opportunity cost: relationships, sleep, health, school/work performance, and loneliness or disengagement.
- •We often rationalize behaviors that still “feel good” but are silently shrinking our lives.
- •External barometers (family feedback, objective consequences) can reveal what we deny internally.
- •Diagnostic labels help, but functionally addiction is about compulsion, loss of control, and continued use despite harm.
Dopamine, Contrast, and the Pull of Screens, Games, and Porn
They dive deeply into behavioral addictions—especially video games, social media, and pornography—and how high-density digital stimulation changes what feels rewarding. Huberman explains dopamine dynamics and why fast, large spikes lead to tolerance and deep lows. Soave shares clinical stories of teens stealing Wi-Fi to play games and veterans whose porn use intertwines sex and violence, altering their sexual templates and real-life intimacy.
- •Modern media delivers hyper-rich sensory input; by comparison, real life (parks, sports, studying) can feel boring.
- •Large, rapid dopamine spikes from games, social media, porn, and gambling quickly reduce sensitivity and deepen post-use crashes.
- •Teens often combine social connection and gaming; removing games can feel like social exile, not just entertainment loss.
- •Pornography can powerfully wire sexual expectations, escalate into extreme content, and cause performance anxiety and intimacy issues.
- •Behavioral addictions can mimic substance addictions in brain activation patterns and in the lengths people go to keep using.
Stress, Threat, and the Core Skill of Distress Tolerance
Soave argues that one of our biggest psychological challenges is confusing discomfort with threat and reacting as if we’re in mortal danger. Using examples like ominous text messages and relationship conflict, he outlines how past experiences and beliefs create present-day fight-flight-freeze responses. Huberman adds neurobiological details about adrenaline, freezing as an active response, and why the first 20 seconds after a stress hit are critical.
- •PTSD criteria highlight that perceived threat can trigger the same nervous system response as actual threat.
- •Everyday non-lethal events (a partner’s “We need to talk”) often trigger threat-level reactions rooted in past experiences.
- •We live in the present but orient to past or future narratives, becoming disoriented and reactive.
- •Key question in a spike: “Am I or is anyone around me in immediate physical danger?” If not, there is space to respond differently.
- •Huberman notes that the forebrain is offline for about 15–20 seconds after an adrenaline surge; riding out that window improves decision-making.
The Emotional Weather Map: Daily Protocol for Self-Regulation
Soave introduces his “emotional weather forecast” practice, which Huberman reframes as an emotional weather map. They detail how to use it to predict emotional hazards, identify character liabilities and virtues, and define how you want to show up that day. The exercise is both a proactive regulation tool and the basis for nightly reflection on how well you navigated your internal weather.
- •Steps: (1) Gratitude list (including one challenge), (2) simple day plan, (3) current emotional state, (4) likely emotional disturbances/defects for the day, (5) what to watch for, (6) what to strive for (ways of being, not outcomes).
- •Reframing “character defects” also as potential virtues depending on context (e.g., anger can be protective).
- •Daily anticipation of emotional patterns is like checking the weather and packing a raincoat.
- •Sharing lists with peers adds vulnerability, connection, and real-time feedback.
- •Used consistently, it helps people catch themselves earlier and return to balance faster.
Yoga Nidra / NSDR and Breathwork: Gym for the Nervous System
They unpack Yoga Nidra/NSDR—how it’s done, why it’s so powerful in trauma and addiction settings, and how it compares to sleep. Soave recounts transformation stories (e.g., the overwhelmed single mother whose kids “changed” when she practiced twice daily), and Huberman explains how still body/active mind states shift dopamine and autonomic tone. They emphasize that even brief long-exhale breathing bouts can rapidly activate the parasympathetic nervous system.
- •Yoga Nidra: guided, lying-down, breath and body-focused meditation with intentional stillness; NSDR is a secular variant.
- •It can place the brain in sleep-like states while awake, restoring dopamine and aiding plasticity.
- •Daily practice (ideally morning and late afternoon) raises capacity to move from dysregulated to regulated states.
- •Short practices (e.g., seven long-exhale breaths) can be slotted throughout the day as “greasing the groove” for calm.
- •The goal is not to eliminate stress but to build a “better boat” that can navigate storms.
Alcohol, Gambling, Porn, and Substitution: Specific Addiction Patterns
The conversation zooms in on specific addictions: alcohol’s social normalization, gambling’s unique paradox where the next bet can fix everything, stimulant use, and pornography. Soave explains why gambling has such high suicide rates and how porn addiction is often shrouded in shame, particularly for young men. They also discuss transfer addictions—when energy from drugs/alcohol shifts into gambling, food, work, or extreme fitness.
- •Alcohol is culturally embedded and socially rewarded, making problem recognition and abstinence difficult.
- •12-step for alcohol (and other substances) focuses on living, not just not using; “powerlessness” is the first step to true power.
- •Gambling is uniquely insidious because one win can theoretically erase massive losses, reinforcing the chase.
- •Teens and adults are now exposed to pervasive, frictionless gambling (apps, crypto, unregulated online casinos).
- •Porn addiction often provokes intense shame; secrecy fuels isolation and worsens compulsive cycles.
- •Transfer addictions are common; quitting substances without building a new life often drives people into new compulsions.
Trauma, Psychedelics, and the Ethics of ‘Miracle’ Interventions
Responding to audience-style questions, Soave addresses whether addiction is a symptom, the possible role of GLP-1 drugs, and the use of psychedelics like Ibogaine and psilocybin. He’s cautiously optimistic about psychedelic-assisted treatment when done ethically, with screening and integration, but warns against overuse and spiritual bypassing. Huberman underscores that these experiences are like seeing the rooftop from a trampoline; you still need to build the stairs.
- •Addiction is both attempted solution and new source of trauma; trauma–stress–addiction can become a self-reinforcing loop.
- •Early evidence suggests GLP-1 agonists may affect craving via blood sugar regulation, but data are preliminary.
- •Psychedelics can help people experience alternative states beyond survival mode, but ethics and rule-outs (e.g., psychosis risk) are critical.
- •Repeated psychedelic use without integration risks becoming another avoidance strategy.
- •Profound experiences must be followed by structured habit and life-building to translate into lasting change.
Helping Others and Finding Help: Families, 12-Step, and Access
In closing, they discuss how to support loved ones with addiction and what practical steps to take when someone is “in the pit.” Soave stresses approaching with compassion rather than shame, using Al-Anon and other family groups, and leveraging 12-step meetings as free, global, 24/7 containers. They describe AA’s unique structure (no leaders, vow of poverty, no monopoly on recovery) and recount Bill Wilson’s pivotal choice that birthed the movement, underscoring how one connection can change millions of lives.
- •Families should talk openly but non-shamingly, and seek their own support (Al-Anon, therapy) rather than trying to control the addict.
- •Open 12-step meetings can be attended with or without a personal addiction; you can even go with a loved one.
- •Treatment centers like Soave’s aim to increase access through insurance and virtual/in-home care options.
- •AA and related fellowships are non-hierarchical, politically neutral, and deliberately poor to avoid corruption.
- •The origin story of AA underscores the power of choosing connection over relapse; helping others is itself a recovery tool.

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