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Tools for Overcoming Substance & Behavioral Addictions | Ryan Soave

My guest is Ryan Soave, LMHC, a leading expert in addiction recovery with extensive experience helping people heal from all types of substance and behavioral dependencies. We discuss actionable tools for breaking out of the addictive cycle and staying free of obsessions and compulsions. We also examine the relationship between trauma and addiction. We explore the full recovery process—from detoxing and physical stabilization to building distress tolerance. We review evidence-supported tools to structure your life at each stage of recovery and highlight the power of learning “self-directed state shifting” through yoga nidra (NSDR), breathwork, meditation and prayer. We explain how to recognize signs of addiction in yourself and others, and the treatment options available across all levels of resources, from residential programs to 12-step. If you or someone you know is struggling with any kind of addiction, this episode offers practical steps to break free and stay free. Read the episode show notes: https://go.hubermanlab.com/GoMGP2H *Thank you to our sponsors* AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/huberman Levels: https://levelshealth.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman Function: https://functionhealth.com/huberman Waking Up: https://wakingup.com/huberman *Timestamps* 00:00:00 Ryan Soave 00:01:32 Addiction, Addictive Behaviors, Relief 00:06:10 Rehab, Detox, Physical & Emotional Stability 00:13:33 Sponsors: BetterHelp & Levels 00:16:08 Recognizing Addition; Video Games, Parents & Responsibility 00:23:38 Experiencing Real Life vs Addictive Behavior; Dopamine Dynamics 00:29:38 Drugs & Feelings; Reordering Your Life; Roles, Kids vs Parents 00:40:03 Sponsors: AG1 & LMNT 00:43:13 Tool: 30 Days Abstinence & Addiction; Impact 00:46:10 Creating a Life Post-Addiction, Jellinek Curve 00:55:30 Tool: Emotional Weather Forecast, Gratitude, Plan, Strivings 01:02:48 Connection with Others, Mental Willpower Throughout Day, Defining Best Self 01:08:39 Emotional Weather Map, Navigating Life 01:10:16 Sponsor: Function 01:12:03 Tolerating Stress, Sailing Analogy, Discomfort 01:16:03 Building Distress Tolerance, Proactive Behaviors, Cold Plunge 01:23:55 Stilling Leads to Seeing, Tool: Recognizing Stress Response; Relationships 01:30:56 Yoga Nidra, Non-Sleep Deep Rest (NDSR) 01:38:54 Yoga Nidra & Authenticity, Breaking Patterns 01:45:45 Yoga Nidra Timing, Regulation of Autonomic Nervous System; Breathwork 01:52:53 Sponsor: Waking Up 01:54:28 Alcoholism, Social Acceptability, Community, AA, Powerlessness 02:02:23 Gambling, Kids & Susceptibility 02:08:58 Transmuting Energy, Running, Dopamine, Feelings 02:15:41 Cocaine, Amphetamine, Stimulant Addiction 02:18:21 Overcoming Porn Addiction, Shame 02:30:03 Struggle, “Discomfort Appetite” 02:36:09 Addiction Treatment, Detox, Rehab Centers, 12-Step Meetings, AA 02:46:54 Is Addiction the Problem?, Trauma, Stress & Addiction Cycle 02:49:05 GLP-1 Agonists & Addiction Treatment?, HALT; Addicted to Stress? 02:52:44 Sugar Addiction, Caffeine; Ibogaine, Psylocibin & Considerations 02:59:56 Helping Someone With Addiction 03:04:58 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer & Disclosures: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Andrew HubermanhostRyan Soaveguest
Apr 21, 20253h 7mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 2:00 – 9:00

    Defining Addiction: Symptom, Solution, or Diagnosis?

    Huberman introduces Ryan Soave and immediately asks how he defines addiction. Soave differentiates DSM substance use disorders from the broader lived reality of addiction, arguing that addiction is often a solution to deep discomfort rather than the root problem. They explore the question “Does it have you, or do you have it?” and highlight how even mundane behaviors can oscillate between healthy and addictive depending on why and how they’re used.

  2. 9:00 – 27:40

    From Crisis to Capacity: Detox, Stabilization, and Emotional Tolerance

    Soave describes how Guardian Recovery handles acute cases: medical detox and safety first, then gradual psychological and social assessment. He explains why life often feels worse right after stopping substances and why internal “existential crises” are often necessary for treatment to really begin. The focus then shifts to raising distress tolerance so clients can face pain without self-medicating.

  3. 27:40 – 1:08:20

    Trauma, Adaptation, and Childhood Roles in Adult Addiction

    The discussion turns to trauma as the shaping of nervous systems and beliefs, not just single catastrophic events. Soave explains how kids develop adaptive survival strategies—like caretaking parents, being the family “hero,” or staying invisible—that later become maladaptive when applied to adult life. They explore covert parental dependence on children for emotional needs and how this creates heavy, unconscious roles that show up in addiction and relationships.

  4. 1:08:20 – 1:22:40

    Addiction, Habits, and the Question: ‘Do I Have It, or Does It Have Me?’

    Huberman presses on how to distinguish strong preferences and habits from addiction, using examples like end-of-day drinks, workaholism, and video games. Soave suggests practical litmus tests—like taking 30 days off—and emphasizes honesty plus feedback from others. They discuss addiction as a behavior that crowds out life, distorts priorities, and remains compulsive even when clearly harmful.

  5. 1:22:40 – 2:10:00

    Dopamine, Contrast, and the Pull of Screens, Games, and Porn

    They dive deeply into behavioral addictions—especially video games, social media, and pornography—and how high-density digital stimulation changes what feels rewarding. Huberman explains dopamine dynamics and why fast, large spikes lead to tolerance and deep lows. Soave shares clinical stories of teens stealing Wi-Fi to play games and veterans whose porn use intertwines sex and violence, altering their sexual templates and real-life intimacy.

  6. 2:10:00 – 2:37:20

    Stress, Threat, and the Core Skill of Distress Tolerance

    Soave argues that one of our biggest psychological challenges is confusing discomfort with threat and reacting as if we’re in mortal danger. Using examples like ominous text messages and relationship conflict, he outlines how past experiences and beliefs create present-day fight-flight-freeze responses. Huberman adds neurobiological details about adrenaline, freezing as an active response, and why the first 20 seconds after a stress hit are critical.

  7. 2:37:20 – 2:58:20

    The Emotional Weather Map: Daily Protocol for Self-Regulation

    Soave introduces his “emotional weather forecast” practice, which Huberman reframes as an emotional weather map. They detail how to use it to predict emotional hazards, identify character liabilities and virtues, and define how you want to show up that day. The exercise is both a proactive regulation tool and the basis for nightly reflection on how well you navigated your internal weather.

  8. 2:58:20 – 3:42:20

    Yoga Nidra / NSDR and Breathwork: Gym for the Nervous System

    They unpack Yoga Nidra/NSDR—how it’s done, why it’s so powerful in trauma and addiction settings, and how it compares to sleep. Soave recounts transformation stories (e.g., the overwhelmed single mother whose kids “changed” when she practiced twice daily), and Huberman explains how still body/active mind states shift dopamine and autonomic tone. They emphasize that even brief long-exhale breathing bouts can rapidly activate the parasympathetic nervous system.

  9. 3:42:20 – 4:24:00

    Alcohol, Gambling, Porn, and Substitution: Specific Addiction Patterns

    The conversation zooms in on specific addictions: alcohol’s social normalization, gambling’s unique paradox where the next bet can fix everything, stimulant use, and pornography. Soave explains why gambling has such high suicide rates and how porn addiction is often shrouded in shame, particularly for young men. They also discuss transfer addictions—when energy from drugs/alcohol shifts into gambling, food, work, or extreme fitness.

  10. 4:24:00 – 4:54:00

    Trauma, Psychedelics, and the Ethics of ‘Miracle’ Interventions

    Responding to audience-style questions, Soave addresses whether addiction is a symptom, the possible role of GLP-1 drugs, and the use of psychedelics like Ibogaine and psilocybin. He’s cautiously optimistic about psychedelic-assisted treatment when done ethically, with screening and integration, but warns against overuse and spiritual bypassing. Huberman underscores that these experiences are like seeing the rooftop from a trampoline; you still need to build the stairs.

  11. 4:54:00

    Helping Others and Finding Help: Families, 12-Step, and Access

    In closing, they discuss how to support loved ones with addiction and what practical steps to take when someone is “in the pit.” Soave stresses approaching with compassion rather than shame, using Al-Anon and other family groups, and leveraging 12-step meetings as free, global, 24/7 containers. They describe AA’s unique structure (no leaders, vow of poverty, no monopoly on recovery) and recount Bill Wilson’s pivotal choice that birthed the movement, underscoring how one connection can change millions of lives.

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