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Invest Like the BestFormer Sequoia Chairman Michael Moritz on Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, and the Price of Greatness
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CHAPTERS
- 0:00 – 1:30
Why greatness rarely inspires awe: seeing flaws up close
Michael Moritz explains why he’s rarely in awe of high achievers: knowing them well reveals flaws alongside accomplishments. Patrick uses this to set up a broader inquiry into identity, influence, and how people become who they are.
- •Michael Moritz says remarkable achievers are also flawed, which makes awe difficult once you see both sides up close
- •Patrick frames a key theme: “Where does one person end and the next begin?”
- •The conversation pivots from public achievement to personal history and formation
- 1:30 – 3:33
Excavating family history to understand the self
Moritz describes writing his book as an unexpected way to discover who he is and why he reacts the way he does. He emphasizes how parents imprint children early, leaving enduring “angels and demons” that persist through life.
- •Moritz says the book-writing process revealed his own identity more than he expected
- •He highlights the lasting impact of childhood environment, especially before the early teen years
- •He frames parental imprinting as both helpful and harmful forces that last a lifetime
- 3:33 – 7:31
Growing up a refugee minority: survival instincts and suspicion
Moritz recounts growing up in Wales as the child of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany, which shaped an outsider identity. He connects his parents’ experience to a survival mindset—vigilance, suspicion of motives, and a drive to endure—that he believes gave him grit.
- •Moritz describes refugee identity as a lived feeling, not merely how others perceive you
- •He explains how a survival mindset translates into vigilance and guardedness in daily life
- •He attributes personal drive and grit to the atmosphere created by his parents’ past
- 7:31 – 12:51
Two grandfathers, two choices: the costs of trusting the state vs. streetwise escape
Moritz contrasts his paternal grandfather, a conservative civil servant who trusted the German state and stayed too long, with his maternal grandfather, a blind but entrepreneurial cattle trader who escaped just before war. The story becomes a lesson about risk, inertia, and the barriers to leaving even when danger is visible.
- •Moritz describes his paternal grandfather’s faith in the state, pension dependence, and reluctance to leave Germany
- •He notes practical obstacles to emigration, including finding acceptance elsewhere and paying exit-related burdens
- •He portrays his maternal grandfather as more entrepreneurial and self-reliant, escaping 72 hours before war
- 12:51 – 19:47
Always having a “bolt hole”: passports, minority insecurity, and politics now
Moritz explains how family history left him feeling the need for an escape route if conditions worsen. He describes the present as uncomfortable for minorities in the U.S. and Western Europe and warns how economic despair can be exploited by authoritarian-leaning leaders.
- •Moritz says he feels a need for a “bolt hole,” summing it up as never having enough passports
- •He describes insecurity for minorities across the U.S. and Western Europe
- •He links far-right momentum to economic distress and leaders with authoritarian impulses
- •He argues the internet rewards extremes and accelerates the spread of falsehoods, comparing amplification to earlier mass media dynamics
- 19:47 – 24:29
The first-14-years framework: interviewing founders by painting a portrait
Moritz traces his focus on early life to his journalism days writing about Lee Iacocca and the outsider energy rooted in childhood. He explains why early background matters especially when assessing very young founders, and he describes his approach as collecting “dots” like marks on a canvas until a coherent portrait emerges.
- •Moritz says he first noticed the power of childhood background while reporting on Lee Iacocca
- •He explains why early-life questions matter when founders are only 20 or 21
- •He says people don’t outgrow their inner being, though outward intensity can fade with age
- •He compares interviewing to painting: gather scattered details until the person’s picture appears
- 24:29 – 27:47
A revealing question: what would you do differently? shame, family, and regret
Moritz shares his favorite interview question—what someone would change if they could redo one action—and recounts a candidate who cried recalling a childhood incident that shamed his family. Moritz answers the question himself, expressing regret about past interactions with his parents and acknowledging arrogance and lack of understanding when he was younger.
- •Moritz says the “one thing differently” question is consistently revealing
- •He recounts interviewing a Sequoia candidate who cried remembering bringing shame on his immigrant family
- •Moritz says he’d erase some interactions with his parents that he feels ashamed of
- •He attributes past behavior partly to independence-seeking, arrogance, and not grasping what his parents had experienced
- 27:47 – 33:34
Resisters, the silent, and collaborators: moral backbone in crises
Moritz tells the story of Anna, a Roman Catholic nanny figure who aided his family and exemplified steadfast ethics during the Nazi era. He then reflects on a framework—resisters, the silent, and collaborators—prompted by a French WWII drama and his habit of quietly assessing who among people he knows would show backbone under pressure.
- •Moritz describes Anna as a surrogate caregiver who continued helping his family despite rising hostility toward Jews
- •He calls her one of “the righteous,” guided by an ethical compass that wouldn’t bend
- •He explains his “resisters/silent/collaborators” lens and how he applied it while observing people during COVID-era calls
- •He says resisters are rare and that bad outcomes occur when most people stay silent
- 33:34 – 38:05
Self-doubt, doom, and unfinished work: the imprint of his mother
Moritz says he has never felt truly good at something and struggles to celebrate success. He links this to heritage and his mother’s constant expectation of disaster, which he says left him always feeling near a precipice and viewing work as perpetually improvable.
- •Moritz says he’s plagued by doubt and finds it hard to celebrate success
- •He connects his outlook to his mother’s doom-focused worldview and constant attention to disasters
- •He says he experiences satisfaction mainly as incremental improvement, such as in painting
- •He describes admiration for others as separate from pride in himself as a “bystander” to their achievements
- 38:05 – 45:25
Bill Deedes and the leap to America: journalism breaks and the Steve Jobs rupture
Moritz recounts how Bill Deedes, editor of the Daily Telegraph, advised him to go to America, which influenced his move and eventual hiring at Time. He then describes a painful episode involving a Steve Jobs profile that Time’s editing process turned malicious, which severed their relationship and contributed to Moritz leaving the magazine.
- •Moritz explains how union rules in Britain shaped early journalism career paths and his impatience with them
- •He credits Bill Deedes with encouraging him to go to America
- •He calls being hired by Time without experience his first big break
- •He describes how a Steve Jobs profile was transformed by editorial processes, angering Jobs and ending their relationship
- 45:25 – 52:54
Monomania and the price of greatness: Jobs, Auerbach, and relationship costs
Moritz argues that creating anything of value often requires obsession and the elimination of distractions, though it harms people and relationships along the way. He illustrates monomania through examples ranging from Jobs to painter Frank Auerbach’s extreme devotion to daily work and strict routines.
- •Moritz says obsession is common across art and company-building and can produce great outcomes
- •He acknowledges the downsides: people get hurt, and there’s less time for family and friends
- •He recounts Evelyn Waugh’s remark about the “stroller in the hallway” as an enemy to art
- •He describes Frank Auerbach’s relentless routine, limited travel, and intolerance for lateness from sitters
- 52:54 – 1:00:07
Joining Sequoia: Don Valentine’s risk, learning by being thrown in
Moritz explains how Don Valentine hired him into a very small Sequoia despite his lack of technical background, pointing to successful investors with unconventional origins. Moritz says Don didn’t teach directly, preferring to throw people into the deep end, and that Moritz learned through observation—alongside influence from Pierre Lamonde.
- •Moritz recounts writing letters to venture firms and being rejected due to lacking technical credentials
- •He says Don Valentine hired him because prior “obvious” operator hires hadn’t always succeeded
- •He cites Don’s example of Arthur Rock as proof that nontraditional backgrounds can excel in venture
- •Moritz says Don’s style was survivalist: toss people in and see if they drown; learning came from observation
- 1:00:07 – 1:08:29
Running Sequoia and leading teams: investor duty, tolerance, and Ferguson’s people-reading
Moritz describes taking over Sequoia with a focus on not ruining it, staying hungry, and evolving with opportunities, while emphasizing responsibility to investors—many of them not-for-profits. He highlights “tolerance” as a core lesson from partnering with Doug and connects his leadership learning to Alex Ferguson’s ability to understand what motivates each player, including being present in their darkest moments.
- •Moritz says his priorities included not screwing up Sequoia, staying focused on the next investment, and adapting to new opportunities
- •He emphasizes doing right by investors and disliking fee structures that reward managers even without performance
- •He says working well with different personalities requires understanding others’ needs—summarized as tolerance
- •He describes Ferguson as seeking respect, supporting players privately, and tailoring motivation to individuals
- 1:08:29 – 1:16:58
Great person theory and Elon Musk; AI, scale, and cautious optimism
Moritz says he strongly believes individuals shape history for good and ill, and he points to Elon Musk as an exemplar—expressing astonishment at the scale of achievements across industries. On AI, he admits surprise at today’s growth rates and, while acknowledging disruption, leans hopeful by comparing modern fears to earlier technological panic that did not culminate in catastrophe.
- •Moritz endorses the “great person” theory of history and says leaders can make the impossible feel achievable
- •He calls Elon Musk a standout figure and says he is gobsmacked by the breadth of achievements across industries
- •He notes that modern tools may let rare founders pursue broader ambitions, citing examples of companies expanding beyond original categories
- •On AI, he expects major job disruption but believes more jobs will be created over time, and takes solace from past overblown Armageddon predictions
- 1:16:58 – 1:34:08
Becoming who you are: writing voice, stepping back, parenting, and what matters most
Moritz defines extraordinary writing as the unmistakable voice of the author and ties it to resisting external expectations. He reflects on stepping back from leadership, building the San Francisco Standard, and how parenting imprints confidence. He closes with a view of what matters—relationships, humility about insignificance, and leaving things better—ending with gratitude for his wife and the theme of tolerance.
- •Moritz says great writing comes from an unmistakable authorial voice and inner truth overcoming outside pressure
- •He says he hasn’t fully become who he is, citing a tendency to conform to external expectations, shaped in part by his mother’s fault-finding
- •He explains why leaders should leave decisively, and describes post-Sequoia pursuits including civic efforts and the San Francisco Standard’s goals and editorial stance
- •He says parenting should arm children with confidence and urges not taking progress for granted, emphasizing the thin line between human and beast
- •He says what matters most is relationships and leaving things better; he names his wife’s kindness in marrying him and says he learned tolerance from her
