5 Nutrition EXPERTS: The SHOCKING Healthy Foods That are Making You Fat (Food Lies HIDDEN From Us!)

1. 0:00 – 2:03

   Intro

   1. JSJay Shetty0:00

      How many times have you promised yourself that this is the year you're gonna change to a healthy diet? Maybe it's been your New Year's resolution. Maybe it's been a goal before the summer. Whatever it is, I want this year to be the year that you finally achieve it. Do you feel like you're trying to eat healthy, but you're constantly tired by 3:00 PM? Or maybe you're trying to cut out junk food, but you're finding it really difficult. Or maybe you're someone who wakes up in the morning and always feels bloated. You even took it a step further and had the labs done that were fine, but you knew something was off. Or maybe you're one of those people who's thinking, "Jay, I need to get a gut test. I need to know what's going on because I'm not feeling great." If any of those are true for you, this episode is for you. The number one health and wellness podcast.

   2. CMDr. Casey Means0:50

      Jay Shetty.

   3. SPSpeaker0:51

      Jay Shetty.

   4. CMDr. Casey Means0:52

      The one, the only Jay Shetty.

   5. JSJay Shetty0:54

      [laughs] So why did we put this episode together? I know that the amount of information out there on how to be healthy and what you should eat or not is so overwhelming. There are so many podcasts. There are so many articles. There is so much advice, even short 30-second TikToks telling you what's perfect for you. What I wanted to do was help you understand how there is no one size fits all. I wanted you to hear from the best experts we've had on the show so that we can simplify and clarify some of these things that feel really complicated. So much of what we eat is marketed as healthy, but it's often working against us. Today's guests break down how to read your body's signals, improve your diet with protein and vegetables, and choose supplements that actually support your goals. Whether you're trying to feel better daily or prevent chronic disease down the line, these insights will help you make smarter and, most importantly, sustainable nutrition decisions. I can't wait for you to hear it. One of the biggest things

2. 2:03 – 4:32

   How Eating Slowly Boosts Your Metabolism

   1. JSJay Shetty2:03

      I've learned about health is that the more proactive you are, the more prepared you are. I'm sure you've felt it before. You feel healthy, you feel good, you get a test done, and then you're wondering, "How did I not know that? How did I not feel that? How did I not see that?" Now, some people are scared of getting tests done, scared of getting their lab results, but here's the reality. It's much scarier being surprised or shocked by something in the future than it is to be aware right now and start making changes. This clip is from Dr. Casey Means, who talks about how we can be proactive and how we shouldn't wait for illness to start caring. I hope this inspires you to get more data, to get more tests done, so that you can be proactive in your health journey. Remember, you're the only person who has to live in your body, with your body, and whatever you're gonna go through. Let's not set ourselves up for failure. Let's be prepared for a long, healthy life. I wanted to talk to you about this because a lot of people have said this to me, and I just invested in a company called Function Health. I don't know if you've come across them. And-

   2. CMDr. Casey Means3:13

      Love them.

   3. JSJay Shetty3:14

      Oh, great. Okay.

   4. CMDr. Casey Means3:14

      I'm an investor.

   5. JSJay Shetty3:15

      Oh, perfect.

   6. CMDr. Casey Means3:15

      We're both investors.

   7. JSJay Shetty3:16

      Great. Perfect. So I just invested in a company called Function Health. I've known Dr. Mark Hyman for a few years, um, met the wonderful team, and I was very passionate about how they were allowing people to do, I believe, 200 biomarkers at $500 a year, which to me felt like a great investment. I think one of the things I wanna help people with is what do you do with those 200 biomarkers results, the blood test, the biosensors? Like, I think a lot of people, again, look at that list and you're like, "Well, where do I go from here?" Like, "Where do I start? What do I do? What does HDL mean? What does, you know, uh, Homa-IR mean? What does, you know, uric acid... Like, what is all of this stuff?" It's so out of our vocabulary and, like you said, 99% of doctors, in the book you talk about this, 99% of doctors don't understand it or will say, "Don't worry about it." That's, that's what I've been told as well many times. Before I was able to start getting tested by my holistic doctors, all I was hearing is, "Don't worry about it. Don't stress about it. It's not a big deal. You're young. You're healthy." And I'm like, "I know I'm young and healthy, but I wanna stay young and healthy," and I believe that requires a bit more effort than me saying, "I'm young and healthy. It doesn't matter." And I've learned about early stages for me of LDL, of,

3. 4:32 – 10:29

   Why Switching from Sweet to Savory Breakfasts Matters

   1. JSJay Shetty4:32

      uh, my predisposition to diabetes because of my heritage and, you know, there's so many things that I'm so happy I know about today which has reduced my intake of certain things that I love or I enjoy or I've been addicted to for years, whate- whatever it may be. So h- how do people make sense of what to do with those 200 biomarkers?

   2. CMDr. Casey Means4:51

      The first thing I wanna say is that the system, again, benefits off you thinking it's really complicated. It is not that complicated. Everything I learned about how to interpret lab testing I learned after medical school. I learned it doing my own research, and I think that every, every American adult is totally capable of understanding their basic biomarkers and, in fact, we must. And so what I would say is start simple and start free. Every year if you go to the doctor, they're gonna order a very basic set of tests that usually involves a cholesterol panel and a fasting glucose test. They're gonna take your blood sugar, your blood pressure as well. So a lot of people might be asking, "How do I figure out if I have good energy or bad energy?" And it's very simple. You start with five essentially free biomarkers: fasting glucose, triglycerides, HDL cholesterol, waist circumference, and blood pressure. They generally come standard on a physical. And if you have a fasting glucose less than 100 milligrams to deciliter, an HDL cholesterol above 40 for men or 50 for women, triglycerides less than 150 milligrams per deciliter, a blood pressure less than 130 over 85, and a waist circumference less than 35 for women or 40 for men, and you're not on medicationYou, by our standard criteria, fit the category of essentially having good energy. That is essentially saying you are metabolically healthy. Shockingly, people who meet all five of those criteria not on medication currently comprise less than six point eight percent of American adults. Ninety-three point two percent of American adults, based on the most recent research, have at least one of those metabolic biomarkers off or not in the optimal range. So that's just step one, is just know where you stand, and you can literally, like, log into your electronic health record right now and get a, get a tape measure for your waist and, and figure out those things. And I think a simple way just-- I'll just simply say kind of what those, those tests mean. So fasting glucose, like I mentioned, if that's rising in the blood, it's a symbol that deep inside your cells, the mitochondria are overwhelmed. The mitochondria are overwhelmed from all the lifestyle things we talked about that are under our control, and they are saying, "We cannot process any more of this into energy. Therefore, we are blocking it from coming into the cell. Therefore, it rises in the bloodstream." That's why fasting glucose matters. It is a sign that deep inside the belly of your cell, the cell is overwhelmed and is blocking the entry, so it's rising in the blood. Triglycerides are totally related to that because when that glucose is high and has nowhere to go and isn't being converted in that miraculous cosmic process to human energy, it converts to fat, so it can be stored. 'Cause the body does not want the blood sugar to be super high. High blood sugar is a problem in lots of ways. It sticks to things and causes dysfunction. It causes inflammation. So the body converts it to fat and stores it in within cells or in fat cells. So that's what triglyceride means. Triglycerides is basically saying there is, again, damage within the cell. The cell is overburdened, and we are becoming metabolically dysfunctional, so we have to print fat to take care of this excess that we can't process. HDL is a helpful part of the cholesterol family, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol. It's a type of cholesterol, uh, lipoprotein, so a molecule that floats around in the blood that actually takes cholesterol from the arteries back to the liver to be processed and excreted. So it's, it's a way of taking cholesterol from where it could be causing problems in the blood vessels and putting it back to the liver. And unfortunately, when the liver becomes dysfunctional because of the way we're living today and becomes filled with fat, due to the other-- due to the-- what I just spoke about with triglycerides, this process of creating the right amount of HDL gets dysfunctional, and we start to see HDL decline, and that's a problem. So HDL is, quote-unquote, good cholesterol, and when it's low, that's basically means that we can't pull the damaging cholesterol from the blood vessels back to the liver. So simply put, that's like, that's a lot of what you need to know about metabolic biomarkers. There are so, so, so many more, but, um... And then waist circumference, that one's kinda interesting because i-it's, it's really a proxy metric, waist circumference, for how much fat is around your internal organs. This is a type of fat that we're hearing about more and more called visceral fat. There's three types of fat. Subcutaneous fat, which is the fat you can see. It's the fat that, you know, we kind of try to get rid of 'cause we don't look as good in a bathing suit. It's actually not the fat that's gonna kill us. You know, this fat, it's not gonna kill us. Then there's visceral fat, which is the fat that is around our organs that makes the organs dysfunctional. And then there's intracellular fat, which is literally fat that's built up inside the cell that causes massive dyscu- dysfunction. Visceral fat and intracellular fat are the two types of fat that are gonna shorten your lives, your life, and those are both driven by insulin resistance, that process that we talked about that is fundamentally rooted in mitochondrial dysfunction. So the waist circumference is just a way of basically telling you how much fat is around my organs and therefore how insulin resistant might I be. And then the last one is the fifth one that I spoke about, which is blood pressure. And blood pressure, [sighs] again, it roots right back to

4. 10:29 – 12:37

   How to Gently Transition Away from Sugar

   1. CMDr. Casey Means10:29

      glucose and insulin and metabolism. As our insulin levels in the body rise, and they rise... Again, just let's make it really simple. The cell, the mitochondria is broken. It's not working properly. It can't process the glucose. It creates insulin resistant because-- insulin resistance 'cause insulin is the hormone that's secreted to help glucose get into the cell. But if there's an insulin block, essentially the insulin can't do that job, and glucose rises in the blood. But this, the, the body's like, "Oh, no. The glucose is rising. We need to actually secrete more insulin to drive glucose into the cell," which of course adds more burden to the mitochondria. So insulin levels rise. Well, when insulin levels rise as a compensatory mechanism for this mitochondrial dysfunction and the rising glucose levels, another impact it has is to block nitric oxide production, and nitric oxide is the chemical in the blood that dilates our blood vessels and keeps our blood pressure under control. So hopefully, it's a little complex-

   2. SPSpeaker11:31

      Yeah

   3. CMDr. Casey Means11:31

      ...but those five things all link back to the exact same thing, which is mitochondrial dysfunction, which is caused by the lifestyle pillars we talked about. So just to summarize, those five simple tests that usually come on every annual physical are the best place to start. Understand where you s- where you stand on those compared to the range, as I mentioned, and that will give you a sense of, of where you are. And then it's really implementing the basic dietary and lifestyle strategies to give your body what it needs so we can free up the strain on the mitochondria and bring those things down. They will all start coming back in a normal range as you free up the mitochondria to do better work, which we do through our daily choices. Just quickly speaking to function health, that is like the next level, and that isIf it's something that's accessible to you, I recommend every single person in the world do this if they can, 'cause it's over 100 biomarkers, like you said, for less than $500, less than the copay that you would pay at the doctor's office for, like, 10 labs. And what that will do is actually give you a

5. 12:37 – 14:59

   Simple Habits for Sustainable Weight Loss

   1. CMDr. Casey Means12:37

      hypergranular picture of what's going on inside your body and your metabolism. And I mentioned that there are three hallmarks of bad energy. There's chronic inflammation, there's oxidative stress, and there's mitochondrial dysfunction, and the beauty of the Function Health tests is that they actually have tests that will tell you about each of those so you can really know what's going on, and beautiful functional medicine interpretations that actually help you understand what, what they mean. But I think, I think something that's, again, hopefully empowering and not too scary is that at the best hospitals and medical schools in America, like Stanford, where I went to medical school, doctors are not learning how to interpret lab tests in a way that will help you be empowered to live a healthier life. We are only learning a very algorithmic way of looking at lab markers in isolation in order to prescribe medications. If LDL is high, prescribe a statin. If glucose is high, prescribe metformin, and so on and so forth. And what's really interesting is that for the biomarkers that we do not have a good drug for, we ignore them, like triglycerides. You rarely hear about triglycerides even though they are more associated with heart disease than LDL. We only hear about LDL because we have a medication for it. If uric acid is high, here's allopurinol. So we focus on the biomarkers that have a drug for them, and what they don't learn is how to look at the labs in concert with each other to read the tea leaves of what the labs are saying together to tell you about your core physiology.

   2. JSJay Shetty14:20

      Mm.

   3. CMDr. Casey Means14:20

      So what I just shared with you about fasting glucose, triglycerides, HDL, blood pressure, and waist circumference is frankly more than what we even learn in medical school of how they all relate back to metabolic dysfunction. And so I think it's just really important for everyone to find the resources like the book that explains it in clear detail, and you can sit down with the book and your lab tests and understand for yourself where you stand.

   4. JSJay Shetty14:44

      Absolutely. And, and trust me, it's like for anyone who's listening and feeling like it's challenging, I've been learning all about this myself for the past couple of years, and while I could never explain it as well as Casey does or, or even begin to try and understand it as deeply as

6. 14:59 – 20:13

   The Best Order to Eat Your Food for Balanced Health

   1. JSJay Shetty14:59

      you do, I've noticed how some of these very simple lifestyle changes have shown me big changes in how I feel. And I wanted to focus on some of those with you that you break down. One of the big ones that I've struggled with for a very long time, because I remember feeling like I had to do this quick and fast forever, you talk about eating slowly, which I think sounds like the easiest, simplest, but underestimated habit.

   2. CMDr. Casey Means15:22

      Yeah.

   3. JSJay Shetty15:22

      So could you walk us through that?

   4. CMDr. Casey Means15:23

      It's incredible. This is also my biggest challenge as well.

   5. JSJay Shetty15:26

      It's so hard.

   6. CMDr. Casey Means15:27

      Especially as a surgeon, like, I just would wolf food down. And research strongly shows that the people who eat the slowest have a four times less likelihood of developing metabolic syndrome than people who eat the fastest. So literally this has nothing to do with what you're eating. It's how you're eating. So this should be very empowering for people, 'cause it's like even if you don't wanna change the actual food, change the speed at which you're eating, and that does change everything. The average American family is eating fewer than f- three meals per week at a table with the family. Like, this is, this has become so normal now that we don't eat with other people. We eat in our cars. We eat while we're walking. We eat on the go. And I think just the key message here is that the more you can invest in sitting down at a table and eating slowly and mindfully, it's literally gonna have a profound impact on your core metabolic health.

   7. JSJay Shetty16:36

      If you're like me, I spent a long part of my life addicted to sugar. I wanted a sugary breakfast. I wanted to have a dessert every day. I was addicted to sugar for a long, long time. And even today, it's a craving that I really, really have to work on. And by the way, I'm not alone. We've been programmed this way. All of our healthy breakfast foods are packed with hidden sugar. Everything today has so much sugar in it, and people will even convince you that sugar's fine. It's not that bad. But the truth is, spikes in our glucose, our over intake of processed foods, which are packed with those hidden sugars, are what's causing our crashes and, later down the line, illnesses and diseases that we don't wanna have to go through. My next guest is one of my favorites of all time. Jessie Inchauspé, also known as the Glucose Goddess, gives the most practical, simple, daily habit changes. You don't need to buy anything. You don't need to learn a new skill. You can start applying these insights right now, and it will change your life. I've been following these words as closely as possible, and I felt the benefit, and I can't wait for you to feel it as well. If you feel like you're struggling with your sugar intake, your cravings, your crashes, this clip is for you. What are some of the hidden places glucose is that we may not see-

   8. CMDr. Casey Means18:07

      Mm

   9. JSJay Shetty18:07

      ... or may not understand that we can't figure out on a day-to-day basis? Because I feel like-

   10. CMDr. Casey Means18:12

       Yeah

   11. JSJay Shetty18:13

       ... when I went to that test of the no sugar cereal-

   12. CMDr. Casey Means18:16

       Mm

   13. JSJay Shetty18:16

       ... in my head, that didn't have glucose, only for me to understand it was the rice... that it was made from that was having that impact on me.

   14. JIJessie Inchauspé18:23

       Uh-huh.

   15. JSJay Shetty18:23

       So where, where is- are there any others that you know that are hidden?

   16. JIJessie Inchauspé18:26

       Actually, breakfast food is usually a top offender.

   17. JSJay Shetty18:29

       Right.

   18. JIJessie Inchauspé18:29

       Right? So orange juice, fruit smoothies, breakfast cereal. Even if they say no sugar or low in sugar, that doesn't mean they don't contain glucose.

   19. JSJay Shetty18:35

       Mm.

   20. JIJessie Inchauspé18:35

       It just means they don't contain any table sugar, but they could also contain sugar from fruit, which is, quote-unquote, "natural".

   21. JSJay Shetty18:42

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JIJessie Inchauspé18:42

       So it doesn't have to be claimed as an added sugar in a package, right?

   23. JSJay Shetty18:46

       Mm.

   24. JIJessie Inchauspé18:46

       Breakfast foods, huge, huge, huge offenders. Um, and then kind of, like, funny things that you wouldn't expect, like eating a lot of grapes. [laughs]

   25. JSJay Shetty18:55

       Mm. Yeah.

   26. JIJessie Inchauspé18:55

       If you eat 50 grapes, that's actually a lot of sugar because the fruit that we eat today has been bred to be extremely high in sugar and concentrated in sugar. But I think breakfast foods are one of the biggest ones. Oh, also dried fruit.

   27. JSJay Shetty19:09

       Mm.

   28. JIJessie Inchauspé19:10

       People don't realize that it's not because something comes from fruit that it's good for you.

   29. JSJay Shetty19:15

       Mm.

   30. JIJessie Inchauspé19:15

       Dried fruit or a fruit smoothie or fruit juice can contain, you know, tens and tens of grams of sugar even though it originally came from a fruit. But your body doesn't care whether sugar came from an orange juice and is now in an orange juice or whether sugar came from a beetroot and is now in a can of Coca-Cola.
7. 20:13 – 23:37

   What to Check Before Buying Supplements

   1. JIJessie Inchauspé20:13

      big spike, you experience a big crash, and that crash activates the craving center in your brain-

   2. JSJay Shetty20:18

      Mm

   3. JIJessie Inchauspé20:18

      ... and literally tells you, "Jay, go find some chocolate." You know? And you cannot resist.

   4. JSJay Shetty20:23

      I know what that voice sounds like. [laughs]

   5. JIJessie Inchauspé20:24

      Yeah. And you can't resist that urge. So your breakfast, if you're having a big glucose spike at breakfast, you're setting yourself up for a day of cravings, fatigue, inflammation-

   6. JSJay Shetty20:33

      Mm

   7. JIJessie Inchauspé20:33

      ... and you're gonna feel quite awful.

   8. JSJay Shetty20:35

      Mm.

   9. JIJessie Inchauspé20:35

      An important switch to make is to switch from a sweet breakfast to a savory breakfast built around protein, right? Whatever kind of protein you like. Maybe it's dairy, maybe it's tofu, maybe it's protein powder, maybe it's leftover fish from last night, maybe it's eggs. Whatever kind of protein you want, that's gonna keep your glucose levels nice and steady. Add some healthy fats in there, and you can have some starch, like a slice of bread for taste. But importantly, a savory breakfast contains nothing sweet except if you want some for taste, some whole fruit.

   10. JSJay Shetty21:06

       Mm.

   11. JIJessie Inchauspé21:06

       Right? And you know all those sweet breakfast foods that you love? You don't have to say goodbye to them completely. The best time to have them is for dessert after lunch or after dinner.

   12. JSJay Shetty21:17

       Mm.

   13. JIJessie Inchauspé21:17

       Because if you eat something that contains a lot of glucose, something starchy or sweet, after a meal, the glucose molecules are not gonna arrive as quickly into your bloodstream-

   14. JSJay Shetty21:28

       Mm

   15. JIJessie Inchauspé21:28

       ... because there's already gonna be food in your stomach. The worst time to eat starches and sugars is breakfast-

   16. JSJay Shetty21:36

       Mm

   17. JIJessie Inchauspé21:37

       ... 'cause your body's super empty, so anything you eat goes to your bloodstream in a second, right?

   18. JSJay Shetty21:42

       Mm.

   19. JIJessie Inchauspé21:42

       But it's actually the meal of the day where most of us eat just starches and sugars.

   20. JSJay Shetty21:47

       Yeah.

   21. JIJessie Inchauspé21:47

       Think about the typical breakfast. Orange juice, oats with honey on them, breakfast cereal-

   22. JSJay Shetty21:53

       Yeah

   23. JIJessie Inchauspé21:53

       ... uh, you know, fruit smoothies.

   24. JSJay Shetty21:54

       Oatmeal with raisins.

   25. JIJessie Inchauspé21:55

       Exactly.

   26. JSJay Shetty21:56

       Yeah.

   27. JIJessie Inchauspé21:56

       And then you wonder why most of us feel so terrible throughout the day.

   28. JSJay Shetty22:00

       Mm.

   29. JIJessie Inchauspé22:00

       Why it's 4:00 PM, and we're exhausted, and we need coffee or Red Bull. We have cravings all throughout the day and even at night. Your breakfast controls how you feel for the whole day.

   30. JSJay Shetty22:10

       Mm.
8. 23:37 – 26:52

   How to Decode Nutrition Labels with Confidence

   1. JIJessie Inchauspé23:37

      And as human beings, eating something sweet is a very easy way to get a hit. Now, what you're talking about can also be due to if somebody completely cuts out carbs, so starches and sugars completely. Let's say from today to tomorrow you cut out all carbs. That can cause issues because if you've been eating carbs your whole life, your body expects these carbs every two to three to four hours.

   2. JSJay Shetty23:58

      Mm.

   3. JIJessie Inchauspé23:58

      And your body's actually just burning glucose for energy. So all of a sudden you cut off-Its supply of glucose, and it becomes a little bit stressed out, especially if your body's not used to also burning fat for fuel. In a healthy body, you can switch from burning glucose for energy to burning fat for energy easily. So either you eat glucose and your body gets energy that way, or you're not eating and your body's burning fat. In most of us, we're eating every two to three to four hours some carbs, and so our body doesn't know how to burn fat for fuel anymore. It doesn't have that muscle. So the idea is to train it slowly to be able to do that-

   4. JSJay Shetty24:37

      Mm-hmm

   5. JIJessie Inchauspé24:37

      ... not to just cut out completely the glucose.

   6. JSJay Shetty24:39

      Yeah.

   7. JIJessie Inchauspé24:40

      You know, cut the grass from under the foot too quickly. That's gonna be difficult.

   8. JSJay Shetty24:43

      Yeah, and I think that's one of the biggest challenges, right? Because when it comes to New Year's resolutions or when it comes to changing habits-

   9. JIJessie Inchauspé24:49

      Yeah

   10. JSJay Shetty24:49

       ... we often think we have to go in or out, and we can-

   11. JIJessie Inchauspé24:53

       I hate that.

   12. JSJay Shetty24:53

       Yeah.

   13. JIJessie Inchauspé24:53

       And diets, you know?

   14. JSJay Shetty24:54

       Yeah.

   15. JIJessie Inchauspé24:55

       They don't work. They're super stressful. They're actually a, a pretty strong way to control women. Like, I have been from, from the moment I was a teenager, the magazines are telling you, "Lose five pounds in a day," you know, "Lose y- your belly before summer." You're bombarded by these messages that make you feel inadequate if you're not on a diet.

   16. JSJay Shetty25:12

       Mm.

   17. JIJessie Inchauspé25:13

       I mean, it's pretty messed up.

   18. JSJay Shetty25:15

       Mm.

   19. JIJessie Inchauspé25:15

       The amount of fat on your body or how much you weigh is not a good representation of the internal health of your body, right?

   20. JSJay Shetty25:20

       Absolutely.

   21. JIJessie Inchauspé25:21

       And if you're just focusing on, "I wanna lose weight, I wanna lose weight," there are very unhealthy ways to do that that might actually make your health way worse.

   22. JSJay Shetty25:28

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JIJessie Inchauspé25:29

       What I like to teach people is these simple hacks, so savory breakfast is very important one, eating sugar as dessert instead of on an empty stomach is another key one, and these hacks are gonna help your body on the long term and create better health from within. And you might lose weight. For example, in my experiment, about half the people lost some fat on their body without trying to-

   24. JSJay Shetty25:51

       Mm

   25. JIJessie Inchauspé25:51

       ... without counting calories, without cutting out foods, just because naturally that's where their body wanted to be and it readjusted, right? But the objective is not weight loss. The objective is being craving free and not feeling victim to finding sugar three times a day or not a victim to the pot of ice cream at the back of your freezer after dinner.

   26. JSJay Shetty26:09

       Mm.

   27. JIJessie Inchauspé26:09

       Good energy so you can actually live the life you wanna live and go after your dreams, you know?

   28. JSJay Shetty26:14

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   29. JIJessie Inchauspé26:14

       That's the point, and play with your kids and have time for yourself, and then improving any medical condition you might have, from mental health to infertility to diabetes.

   30. JSJay Shetty26:23

       Mm.
9. 26:52 – 28:07

   The Real Story Behind Protein Bars

   1. JSJay Shetty26:52

      I mean, it's such a rudimentary belief around what health and wellbeing is.

   2. JIJessie Inchauspé26:55

      Absolutely.

   3. JSJay Shetty26:56

      Yeah.

   4. JIJessie Inchauspé26:56

      And it's shifting.

   5. JSJay Shetty26:57

      Yeah.

   6. JIJessie Inchauspé26:57

      You know, we're now understanding that's not the way to go.

   7. JSJay Shetty27:00

      Yeah.

   8. JIJessie Inchauspé27:00

      We need to focus on health, not body size or-

   9. JSJay Shetty27:02

      Absolutely

   10. JIJessie Inchauspé27:03

       ... body weight.

   11. JSJay Shetty27:03

       Absolutely. What should someone eat at 3:00 PM when they're tired?

   12. JIJessie Inchauspé27:08

       [laughs]

   13. JSJay Shetty27:08

       Because everyone has that post-lunch, you know, slump-

   14. JIJessie Inchauspé27:12

       Well, they do

   15. JSJay Shetty27:13

       ... afternoon slump.

   16. JIJessie Inchauspé27:14

       They do, but it actually can go away. If you steady your glucose levels and if you no longer have these spikes, you don't have to feel that post-meal slump anymore.

   17. JSJay Shetty27:23

       Mm.

   18. JIJessie Inchauspé27:23

       'Cause generally, that slump comes from your glucose having spiked and now dropping, because after every spike, there's a drop, and this drop can make you feel really, really, really tired.

   19. JSJay Shetty27:34

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JIJessie Inchauspé27:34

       So if you feel those symptoms of the post-meal crash, the best thing to do is to start with your breakfast. So have a savory breakfast. Then the second thing I would recommend is at the, at lunchtime, make sure that you start your meals with a specific type of ingredient that is gonna help balance your glucose levels. And before I tell you what that is, I wanna tell you about this amazing research study, Jay. So researchers looked at a meal, and they found that if participants

10. 28:07 – 31:37

    The Right Way to Support Your Body with Cleanses

    1. JIJessie Inchauspé28:07

       ate the elements of that meal in a specific order, they could reduce the glucose spike of the meal by up to 75%.

    2. JSJay Shetty28:19

       Huge. That's huge.

    3. JIJessie Inchauspé28:20

       Without changing how much they're eating, without changing what they're eating overall, just by changing the order. And when I was in school, I remember, uh, biology teachers telling us, "Oh, when you eat, it all becomes a big soup in your stomach." And so I thought how is this possible? How can the order in which you eat the elements of a meal have an impact? So the research is fantastic. It turns out that when you start your meals with vegetables, the fiber in the veggies when you eat it first has time to coat your upper intestine and create a sort of protective mesh, okay? Like a shield on the walls of your intestine, and that shield then slows down how quickly the rest of the meal is going to access your bloodstream-

    4. JSJay Shetty29:06

       Mm

    5. JIJessie Inchauspé29:07

       ... how quickly the molecules from the rest of the meal are gonna make their way into your bloodstream.

    6. JSJay Shetty29:11

       Mm.

    7. JIJessie Inchauspé29:12

       And so veggies first is this very important hack. Now, the scientists-

    8. JSJay Shetty29:17

       I used to always eat my veggies last.

    9. JIJessie Inchauspé29:18

       Really?

    10. JSJay Shetty29:19

        Yeah. [laughs]

    11. JIJessie Inchauspé29:19

        Because you hated them.

    12. JSJay Shetty29:20

        Yeah, 'cause, right, you eat all the carbs first-

    13. JIJessie Inchauspé29:21

        [laughs]

    14. JSJay Shetty29:21

        ... and all the rest of it. You're like, "Oh, yeah."

    15. JIJessie Inchauspé29:24

        And you know, actually, so when you go to restaurants, they often give you bread at the beginning of the meal.

    16. JSJay Shetty29:27

        Yeah.

    17. JIJessie Inchauspé29:28

        And actually, it's pretty smart, so I think there's a whole conspiracy here. Because if you give people some bread at the beginning of your meal, so you're super hungry, you eat the bread. Bread is starch. It turns to glucose. So very quickly, you experience this glucose spike, and about 90 minutes later, you're crashing.

    18. JSJay Shetty29:43

        Mm.

    19. JIJessie Inchauspé29:43

        And that's when the waiter comes over and is like, "Hi, anybody would like some dessert?" And at that point, you're feeling this intense craving for sugar because of that glucose drop, so you're gonna order dessert.

    20. JSJay Shetty29:53

        Wow.

    21. JIJessie Inchauspé29:53

        [laughs]

    22. JSJay Shetty29:54

        That, that makes sense to me. I love bread at the start and dessert at the end.

    23. JIJessie Inchauspé29:57

        Yeah.

    24. JSJay Shetty29:57

        Yeah.

    25. JIJessie Inchauspé29:57

        But the best thing to do actually is to delay that bread, and first have your veggies.

    26. JSJay Shetty30:01

        Mm-hmm.

    27. JIJessie Inchauspé30:01

        And then have your main dish, and have the bread, you know, during the main dish or after the main dish. And that way, you can still enjoy the bread, but the glucose molecules are gonna be protected by that fiber mesh-

    28. JSJay Shetty30:11

        Mm

    29. JIJessie Inchauspé30:11

        ... and not gonna create that big of a spike.

    30. JSJay Shetty30:13

        Mm-hmm.
11. 31:37 – 33:12

    What’s a Healthy Bowel Movement Routine?

    1. JSJay Shetty31:37

       on the market, it's hard to know what we actually need, what's right for us. And if you're someone who's trying to figure out how you can boost your energy, boost your immune system, and stay healthy, and want to know which vitamins and supplements you should be on, this clip is for you. This next clip is from cleanse expert and holistic nutritionist Elissa Goodman. It's gonna help you figure out which vitamins you should be taking, which supplements you should avoid, and what you should look out for on the packaging, and the key nutrients we all need to live healthy, energy-filled lives. If you're trying to figure this part of your health out, listen to this now. Walk us through, in a practical sense, how does someone make a choice? What do they need to read on the back of a, a box or a bottle-

    2. EGElissa Goodman32:25

       Yeah

    3. JSJay Shetty32:25

       ... with vitamins and supplements? Like, what should they be looking for, and what should they be looking at to make sense of it from a technical standpoint, not just the intuition standpoint?

    4. EGElissa Goodman32:34

       Yeah, that's a great question, um, because you wanna have as least fillers and additives in that supplement as possible.

    5. JSJay Shetty32:42

       And what's a filler and an additive?

    6. EGElissa Goodman32:43

       So filler is, like, something that just fills up the supplement. You know, it's like a, you know, crystalline cellulose is a s- is a filler. Um, not all the supplement is gonna be the B complex, but they need other things, you know, to bind the Bs, you know, for the- for you to be able to digest them. So a lot of times... You know, or, like, it's expensive to have the supplement be all, you know, liposomal C or B or whatever, vitamin D. So

12. 33:12 – 40:09

    How Much Protein Should You Really Eat Each Day?

    1. EGElissa Goodman33:12

       a lot of times they add the, the additives so that it isn't as costly.

    2. JSJay Shetty33:16

       Mm.

    3. EGElissa Goodman33:17

       So it really is a struggle because a lot of people don't do well with these additives, and they don't know that. So microcrystalline cellulose is one that's in a lot of supplements, and it gives you digestive issues if you're taking too many. So you could see a lot of people's supplements, and they can all have micro- microcrystalline cellulose. I mean, it's wild. So it... Or soy lecithin, you know, or just these additives, just like in foods, you know? It kinda maintains the shelf life of the supplement as well. So it's hard to find supplements without that-

    4. JSJay Shetty33:48

       Mm

    5. EGElissa Goodman33:48

       ... 'cause they're costly and a lot of people can't afford that.

    6. JSJay Shetty33:51

       Right.

    7. EGElissa Goodman33:51

       So that's why, you know, I try to go more, like, with the food and that, you know, lead with the food and then supplements come second.

    8. JSJay Shetty33:59

       Right.

    9. EGElissa Goodman33:59

       But there are some supplements out there that we absolutely do need. You know, vitamin D is one of them. I mean, since COVID, the studies that have been done on vitamin D, and especially liposomal D, 'cause liposomal is a phospholipid outside of a, you know, supplement and basically is better to absorb, easier to absorb, like liposomal C and liposomal glutathione, all those things. And so basically, you know, D h- when you raise your D levels, you can lower your cholesterol. Actually, you raise your D levels, it's better for your immune system. It's better for cognitive function. People don't realize that there's a vitamin D cell receptor in every cell in your body. So, you know, there's that. It's omega-3s. It's, you know, it's magnesium. Like, there's certain things out there, B- B complex for stress.

    10. JSJay Shetty34:48

        Yeah. I don't... One thing I definitely didn't realize until I really got on a good regime of supplements and vitamins was just how much harder I was working to feel good.

    11. EGElissa Goodman34:57

        Right. [laughs]

    12. JSJay Shetty34:58

        Like, it was... I, I just thought it was a mental battle.

    13. EGElissa Goodman35:01

        Mm-hmm.

    14. JSJay Shetty35:01

        And so I was fighting the mental battle every day-

    15. EGElissa Goodman35:04

        Yeah

    16. JSJay Shetty35:04

        ... with meditation and mindfulness and everything else, and then I realized, I was like, "Actually, I would've been a much better meditator if I just took [laughs] supplements and vitamins early on," because then your body's actually helping you with that focus and with the physical activity or movement and exercise, right? Whether it's hiking or sport or whatever it may be. And it's so funny, now that you're naming all these things, I'm like, I've seen all these things [laughs] on the backs and never known what that means. And it's so easy to just feel so uneducated, and I've definitely felt that way in this space. You know, without having good people around you, it's so hard to really know whether what you're doing is good for you or not. Walk us through, like, if we took a random stack of snacks right now, and I don't wanna pick on any-

    17. EGElissa Goodman35:48

        Right

    18. JSJay Shetty35:49

        ... brands or anything like that in any way, but if you were to teach someone how to read the back of a snack pack, what should they be looking out for? Because this is something that I believe has changed the way I snack.

    19. EGElissa Goodman36:02

        Mm-hmm.

    20. JSJay Shetty36:02

        And I generally, I'd say my diet is, like, maybe, I don't know, at this point, like, 5% processed or packaged foods in any... If, if that. Probably when I'm traveling I'll have, like, a protein bar that I travel with or something like that. But generally it's, it's not. I'm, I'm on the whole foods diet and everything else. But-It wasn't that way before. I used to think that if I ate healthy snacks, then that was okay. So I would eat packaged goods, and then 50% of my diet was packaged goods or, or maybe 30%. Walk us through what we should be looking out for, because I think so much is hidden on these

    21. EGElissa Goodman36:38

        Well, it's the same thing as the supplements, you know? There's a laundry list of things on the back of the snack, you know, box or bag or whatever that you don't even recognize, right? Like, it's just... I mean, there are, like, you know, certain dyes that are bad for us. And, like, uh, going back to the soy lecithin, like soy lecithin is really bad for us. Processed soy-

    22. JSJay Shetty36:59

        I see that everywhere. It's so funny. I've pronounced that wrongly-

    23. EGElissa Goodman37:01

        Yeah

    24. JSJay Shetty37:01

        ... for them my whole life. Now that you've told me, I

    25. EGElissa Goodman37:03

        I mean, I love soy-

    26. JSJay Shetty37:04

        Yeah

    27. EGElissa Goodman37:04

        ... whole soy products, but, you know, when it's processed down to that, it's bad. It's like the bad seed oils. That's omega-6s and 9s and, like, really causing inflammation. So again, if it's a laundry list of things that you don't recognize, like, that kind of is a no-go. I mean, you know, we're... Let's talk about some of the things we know, like plant milks. You know, they're, they've been huge for years, right? Um, now there's, thank God there's better, healthier plant milks out there. They're just almonds and sea salt, um, and water. Like, those are the things to look for, something that's just simple. Even the cheeses, you know? I, I do love some of the plant-based foods, and cheeses, and some of the fake meats, but again, they could have a lot of bad stuff in them.

    28. JSJay Shetty37:50

        Mm.

    29. EGElissa Goodman37:51

        So it's like, you know, I sometimes... You just gotta go for the less is more. Even the protein bars, too. You know, every so often it's not bad to have some of these things that do have these, you know, all these things in them, because you're count- not gonna be perfect. But I would say 75% of the time, 80% of the time to try to look for, you know, those things on the back and just try to do things with less additives.

    30. JSJay Shetty38:17

        Mm-hmm.
13. 40:09 – 48:34

    Choosing a Diet That Truly Fits Your Body

    1. EGElissa Goodman40:09

       There's a lot of sodium. So to make them taste better.

    2. JSJay Shetty40:12

       Mm. Walk us through, so walk us through the core needs that people come to you with. So you said they do a, there's a gut cleanse. Walk us through the different cleanses that people-

    3. EGElissa Goodman40:20

       The cleanses

    4. JSJay Shetty40:20

       ... need in their life.

    5. EGElissa Goodman40:21

       Um, so the regular cleanse is really, I'll tell you a little bit about what's on it. Um, there's a detox tonic on it with coconut kefir, which is a probiotic drink. So-

    6. JSJay Shetty40:30

       I love coconut kefir.

    7. EGElissa Goodman40:31

       I am-

    8. JSJay Shetty40:31

       It's so good

    9. EGElissa Goodman40:32

       ... a big fan of probiotics, and I love coconut kefirs. Cocoyo, and there's a lot of great products out there on the market. Then it has chlorophyll, apple cider vinegar, lemon, ginger in there, and then there's my homemade super seed bar. Um, then you basically get a bone broth or a vegan broth. Um, our bone broth is really gelatinous, and so there's a lot of collagen, which I love. And then we get, you get different salads for the week, different salad dressings, fermented vegetables. You get different soups for the, for the nighttime, and then you get lattes for the evening. Then you also get digestive enzymes, and you get magnesium, so to make sure that everything's working properly. 'Cause people going from an animal protein diet into a plant-based, legumes and beans can disrupt their stomach, and also a lot of vegetables can as well. So there's that one. There's a three-day-

    10. JSJay Shetty41:23

        So with that one-

    11. EGElissa Goodman41:24

        Yeah. Yes

    12. JSJay Shetty41:24

        ... how, walk us through... So are you encouraging people to not have dinners in that? Is that, like the lu-

    13. EGElissa Goodman41:29

        The soup is dinner.

    14. JSJay Shetty41:29

        Yes, right.

    15. EGElissa Goodman41:30

        Or they could have soup for lunch and do the salad for dinner.

    16. JSJay Shetty41:33

        Right.

    17. EGElissa Goodman41:33

        So it's not super strict. Um, a lot of people who exercise a ton will add a little bit of animal protein, you know, to the meal potentially, and it doesn't take you away from the cleanse. So again, you're just getting tons of vegetables. You're getting anti-inflammatory, you know, nourishing, nurturing foods. So, um, that, you know, that one is, like, my regular one that has been going on for nine years. Sometimes it blows my mind because the tonic's been on there for nine years. The bar's been on there f- Like, it's crazy that things are still popular. Um, people buy the tonics and the bars separately. And then the gut cleanse has, um, activated charcoal on there. So-

    18. JSJay Shetty42:13

        What, walk us through that

    19. EGElissa Goodman42:13

        ... what, activated charcoal. So I love activated charcoal because it lowers bacterial loads in your gut.

    20. JSJay Shetty42:19

        Wait, how do you eat activated charcoal? Or what is-

    21. EGElissa Goodman42:21

        You take a pill.

    22. JSJay Shetty42:22

        Right. Okay.

    23. EGElissa Goodman42:23

        You can, you can put it in a drink, and, you know, you could to, put it in the detox tonic, um, or in water or whatever. But you take, it's a pill. It's a very strong pill. Um, and I have found when I had insulin-resistant clients who couldn't lose weight, lo- you know, weight-resistant clients, their insulin was high, their gut bacteria was too high. So I would put them on five days of activated charcoal and lower their insulin levels, which was, like, fantastic. So that's how the gut cleanse came about. So they get activated charcoal. They still get the enzymes. They get the magnesium.Um, but they get chia pudding, they get sauerkraut, they still get the, um, detox tonic. They don't get the bar 'cause a little too much sugar. Um, I don't want sugar for them 'cause of the bacteria, and then they get everything else that's pretty similar. And the nighttime is a tulsi tea. Um, you know that. Holy basil is one of my favorites. It's anti-inflammatory and great for the gut, great for sleep. Um, so that's my, that's the other cleanse that I love. And so what I'm trying to do for people is really clean them out. Um, my, those clients are the ones that have a little bit of constipation issues, like aren't going to the bathroom regularly. Um, and they're, by the end of the week, they're going two and three times a day.

    24. JSJay Shetty43:33

        Wow.

    25. EGElissa Goodman43:33

        Like, it, that's another crazy thing.

    26. JSJay Shetty43:35

        Wow.

    27. EGElissa Goodman43:35

        'Cause people go-

    28. JSJay Shetty43:36

        Just in five days

    29. EGElissa Goodman43:36

        ... once, once, yeah, once a day. They, that's c- considered constipated these days.

    30. JSJay Shetty43:41

        Mm.
14. 48:34 – 54:30

    The Power of Eating More Vegetables

    1. DADave Asprey48:34

       Uh, so I think you're a hypocrite." And he starts laughing, and he looks at me, he goes, "One death feeds everyone." I'm like, mind blown, 'cause I had been a vegan until I went to Tibet, and I realized I cannot be a vegan in Tibet because there's just very little food, and if there's, you know, some yak butter tea or there's, you know, a little bit of meat, you just eat it 'cause there's just not enough food. So I really thought about it, and that led me to think about deaths per calorie.And as a guy who's built a regenerative farm on Vancouver Island and raised all of my own animals for most of the last eight years, I will tell you that a cow will feed you for an entire year. And if it's grass-fed and from a local farmer, no other animal died unless the cow stepped on a frog. I mean, it is literally one death. And if the cow was treated with respect and ethically, then you're killing fewer animals than an industrial plant protein. Because when they do those, the tractor comes through, and it chops up every creature that's there, including the bunnies and the mice and the butterflies and all the ugly ones like worms that no one likes that are important for life. So I feel really clean about it, but the most important thing that I can say if you choose to eat animal protein, which I do, is that practice gratitude before you eat. Um, I believe because of my shamanic training and because of all the spiritual work that I do, that humans, our energetic field as a species made a sacred agreement with the animals that we've domesticated, and they come here to nourish us in exchange for our gratitude. So if you're going to eat meat, you practice gratitude because that's the deal we made. And if you disrespect the animal and you're eating industrial meat, and you're eating it with mindlessly, I don't think that's a good practice. But I do think it's ethical to eat meat because I'm killing fewer lives when I eat beef than when I eat plant-based protein. And since that nourishes me better, which gives me stronger energy and stronger bones, and it gives me more energy to put back into the world, including building better soil via farming of animals, I feel like it's a good deal, and it's within integrity for me.

    2. JSJay Shetty50:42

       But even in some animal protein, you are recommending... And we'll talk about the plant proteins as well, but some of the animal proteins you were saying are not as-

    3. DADave Asprey50:49

       Yeah

    4. JSJay Shetty50:49

       ... strong and reliable. I believe you mentioned chicken, turkey. I think there were a couple of others-

    5. DADave Asprey50:53

       Yeah

    6. JSJay Shetty50:53

       ... in the book that I saw.

    7. DADave Asprey50:54

       Birds are-

    8. JSJay Shetty50:55

       Yeah

    9. DADave Asprey50:55

       ... not that com- they're dinosaurs.

    10. JSJay Shetty50:57

        Mm.

    11. DADave Asprey50:57

        So [laughs] they're less like us. And the fat that's present in birds is similar to soybean oil. It's a lot of omega-6 that causes inflammation. And, uh, you would know this. If you're in India and you're not feeling well, your grandma's gonna give you white rice and ghee, which is clarified butter. In the US, you get saltines and margarine or something, and it doesn't work very well. But the reason is that ghee, that saturated fat, is very nourishing for you-

    12. JSJay Shetty51:23

        Mm-hmm

    13. DADave Asprey51:24

        ... and that you actually need that. You don't get it from a chicken. And also, one chicken, to get the amount of protein, I'd eat a chicken a day. I'm killing 365 chickens a year. That doesn't feel very good.

    14. JSJay Shetty51:34

        Mm-hmm.

    15. DADave Asprey51:34

        In addition to that, real chickens, the kind that I grow on my farm, take nine months to mature, and their fat is rich and yellow and full of vitamins, even though it's not the best kind of fat. But the chickens that you're eating at the store takes six weeks to get that big because they're, they've been modified and bred to have these incredibly large breasts, and they're terribly mistreated. So unless a chicken is pasture raised and a heritage breed, at, at which point it's not affordable. They're terribly expensive to raise. Chickens exist to make eggs. [laughs] Eggs, if you're not allergic, are really a good source of fat and protein. And when you eat eggs, you wanna cook the whites and leave the yolk runny, and then you get the most nutrients that way.

    16. JSJay Shetty52:14

        And we talked about the plant protein from a ethical standpoint, but, but even from a nutritional standpoint, I mean, I as... So me and my wife are both plant-based, but plant protein is, like, not a big-

    17. DADave Asprey52:26

        Yeah

    18. JSJay Shetty52:26

        ... part of our diets at all. My wife's, like, not into eating any of the burgers or any of the meats or-

    19. DADave Asprey52:31

        That's probably a good move

    20. JSJay Shetty52:32

        ... plant-based-

    21. DADave Asprey52:32

        The fake meat is not good.

    22. JSJay Shetty52:33

        Yeah. It's... Yeah.

    23. DADave Asprey52:33

        Yeah.

    24. JSJay Shetty52:34

        Explain why because I think that's slightly the challenge for a lot of people who try and make that switch, and I feel everyone who turns to that then goes back because-

    25. DADave Asprey52:41

        Yeah

    26. JSJay Shetty52:42

        ... it's not satisfying. It's not good for you.

    27. DADave Asprey52:43

        Are, are you plant-based to the exclusion of, of dairy?

    28. JSJay Shetty52:46

        Yes. I am.

    29. DADave Asprey52:46

        You are.

    30. JSJay Shetty52:46

        Yeah, yeah.
15. 54:30 – 1:10:16

    Be The CEO Of Your Own Health

    1. DADave Asprey54:30

       acid, which I write about in the book, and it causes crystals to form. 70% of kidney stones are from plant-based compounds, not from eating meat and beer. 30% are from meat and beer. And so you can overdo either direction, right? So I want people to say, "Choose the right plants-"

    2. JSJay Shetty54:47

       Mm-hmm

    3. DADave Asprey54:47

       ... when you're plant-based.

    4. JSJay Shetty54:48

       Mm-hmm.

    5. DADave Asprey54:48

       And I would consider, if I was plant-based, adding hemp-based protein powder. Even though it is a processed food, it's going to be a processed food that has the best amino acid score that you can get.

    6. JSJay Shetty54:59

       Absolutely. Thank you so much. Very useful for everyone who's listening. And I wanted to dive into drinking the wrong kind of milk.Because I think milk's been this... You know, there's, obviously there's been the almond milks and the oat milks, and then there's been debate on either side. Walk us through milk, because I think, like, that's again, I'd love to hear your side of it because again, it's one of the... I find all of this so confusing because you hear something new come out, everyone gets behind it, it works for people, maybe it doesn't work. Stopping dairy milk from my diet helped me with my gut, but I also don't drink a lot of, uh, oat milk or almond milk. That's not really, that's not really part of my diet. I don't, I don't have cereal and stuff like that, so I'm not drinking that. But then there's a lot of debate on that side of it as well. So-

    7. DADave Asprey55:42

       There is a lot of debate.

    8. JSJay Shetty55:43

       Yeah, yeah.

    9. DADave Asprey55:44

       Dairy milk has been a part of human food for at least 5,000 years, and it's a convenient way to not kill an animal and to have it continuously produce fat and protein, which are the hard things for humans to get enough of, because carbs are relatively abundant in nature. So what do you do? Well, normally you would just drink milk, but the milk we would drink was from a breed of cows that makes a2 milk and they ate grass, and that works well with our biology. The kind of milk that you get now is from cows that are bred to eat grain and, and corn and soy, and that milk has the wrong kind of fat, and it has a kind of protein called a1 protein that's very inflammatory. So a lot of people who can't drink milk, which include me, 'cause it messes up my gut royally-

    10. JSJay Shetty56:29

        Me, same

    11. DADave Asprey56:29

        ... it just makes me, makes me stupid, actually. My brain swells up from it.

    12. JSJay Shetty56:32

        I get a lot of mucus. I used to get throat, like, I used to get more throat infections, like...

    13. DADave Asprey56:36

        Me too.

    14. JSJay Shetty56:36

        Yeah.

    15. DADave Asprey56:36

        It's very similar. So sometimes you can handle a2 milk, but raw a2 milk is how we used to drink it, and in many states it's still illegal. And why the government thinks it has a right to tell you what you're allowed to eat, I don't know. They don't have that right. So it doesn't matter if they make it illegal, they didn't have the right to make it illegal, so therefore it's not illegal in the world that I live in. Then again, if you're selling it, they might still try to arrest you, then you gotta go to court.

    16. JSJay Shetty56:59

        [laughs]

    17. DADave Asprey56:59

        But here's the deal. Raw milk for many people is very, very healing.

    18. JSJay Shetty57:03

        Mm.

    19. DADave Asprey57:04

        And for some people, whey protein, especially if you're vegetarian but not vegan, it's a, a source. Just get grass-fed whey protein 'cause the animals are treated better and because it's a higher quality nutritional product. But let's assume you're not gonna drink cow's milk because for a lot of people it just doesn't work, including me. I don't touch it. Butter and ghee usually are acceptable, especially ghee won't trigger allergies and mucus like that for almost anyone. Well, what about the fake milks, right? So these are all industrial products unless you make it yourself. And [laughs] what they figured out i- with almond milk was, oh, we can take leftover parts of almonds and, you know, the ones that are broken and unsightly, and we can use those to make milk. And it's just a few almonds and some canola oil and some high fructose corn syrup, some flavorings, and we blend it up and we sell it for, like, $8 as a health food product. It's not a health food product. So almond milk is high in phytic acid that sucks minerals out of your bones, so you have to take more minerals, and it's also high in oxalates, which are the things that are causing kidney stones and things that are causing gout and joint pain when you wake up. Even if you have really bad skin and you're eating a ton of these high oxalate foods like almond milk and kale smoothies and all, this can be why, because it's making tiny razor sharp calcium oxalate crystals in your skin that are coming out. So I don't recommend almond milk. Also, if you're a, a vegan for animals, the number of bees, about a third of all bees die pollinating almonds every year. Like, it, it is not a particularly clean product. So then we say, well, oat milk. Okay, that is the biggest scam on the planet right now. It raises your blood sugar as much as drinking a Coke. It is not a health food, and it usually has glyphosate and it's high in phytic acid that sucks minerals out of your body. And I, I know you might not like hearing this, but [laughs] do the math. There's a tablespoon of oats blended into a bunch of water and you spent six bucks on that?

    20. JSJay Shetty58:58

        [laughs]

    21. DADave Asprey58:58

        Like, are you dumb, right? It, it's not a good move, right? So what should you drink? There's two kinds of milk that are, are okay. One of them is macadamia milk, which is really expensive and you have to make it yourself, 'cause macadamias have the right kinds of oil in them. But the other one that's abundant and healthy is coconut milk.

    22. JSJay Shetty59:17

        Mm.

    23. DADave Asprey59:18

        So if you're going to do it, use coconut milk.

    24. JSJay Shetty59:19

        That's the worst tasting one.

    25. DADave Asprey59:21

        I know, right?

    26. JSJay Shetty59:21

        Yeah. [laughs]

    27. DADave Asprey59:22

        It is the worst tasting one.

    28. JSJay Shetty59:23

        Yeah. [laughs]

    29. DADave Asprey59:23

        But the, the, here's the, the problem, though. If you say, "Okay, I don't like the taste of coconut milk," and I'm with you on that-

    30. JSJay Shetty59:29

        Yeah

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