Big Sean ON: "DESTROY Your Negative Thoughts To ACHIEVE YOUR DREAMS Today!" | Jay Shetty

Big Sean 0:00 You know, I had to get into the technique of loving myself. And my meditations came before anything. You know, writing my thoughts down, like, that was a priority to me. I started taking care of myself more, working out. That's something I never did. I gained 30 pound- I gained 30 pounds. It changed me for the better and it just, it, it just, it's built my strength up. It's given me more strength to deal with things when they don't go my way. Before it would tear me down. [upbeat music]

Jay Shetty 0:30 Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow. Now, I've been looking forward to this conversation for a long, long time. Not only am I talking to the one and only Big Sean, uh, one of the most successful rappers out there, multiple number one topping chart singles, albums on the Billboard. But what I'm fascinated about him is his dedication to personal growth, his journey with meditation, his focus on wellbeing, physical, mental, spiritual, and emotional. And today we're going to talk about all of that right here on On Purpose. Please welcome Big Sean.

Big Sean 1:16 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:17 [laughs]

Big Sean 1:17 Thank you, man. That was a great intro.

Jay Shetty 1:20 Well, it was from the heart, man. I feel it. Like, when I started listening to your music, before I knew about your personal journey, I loved your music and then I saw you start talking about what you were just speaking about, the books you read, the mindset you have-

Big Sean 1:34 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:34 ... the journey you've been on personally, and I thought, "This is someone", even before we were connected, I was like, "This is someone I really wanna get to know," because it's not easy to talk about the things you talk about.

Big Sean 1:47 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:47 It's not easy to be vulnerable in your position with the career you have-

Big Sean 1:53 Right, right

Jay Shetty 1:53 ... in the way you have. And so I can't wait to dive into it today. But I was gonna start with something a bit different because we, we have a few more things in common.

Big Sean 2:00 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 2:00 I, I was reading somewhere that you said that in another life you might have been a film critic.

Big Sean 2:07 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 2:08 And, and I love that because I love movies, so I was gonna ask you-

Big Sean 2:10 Oh, me too, man. I pick 'em, I like... I don't pick 'em apart, you know. Sometimes... Lately I've been watching movies just based on how it makes me feel. Like, I take my critical hat off and I'm just like, I enjoy the good story or, you know, like, the hero's journey or just, like-

Jay Shetty 2:23 Yeah

Big Sean 2:24 ... you know, great pieces, great shows, great plots. You feel me?

Jay Shetty 2:27 What's been a movie that you feel has, like, defined the way you think or moved you in a way that, in the way that you're speaking about right now, that left a lasting impact?

Big Sean 2:37 Forrest Gump for sure.

Jay Shetty 2:38 Mm.

Big Sean 2:38 That's one of the ones that, like, struck me hard. The Matrix. I had, like, a special relationship with The Matrix 'cause Neo's name was Mr. Anderson. So that's my last name too, so it always, like, struck a chord with me. Um, definitely, like, I'm a huge... I'm a big nerd, so I love, like, Batman. I love-

Jay Shetty 2:59 Yeah

Big Sean 2:59 ... all Marvel, DC.

Jay Shetty 3:01 Me too.

Big Sean 3:01 Uh, anime, Dragon Ball Z, Star Wars, um, Star Trek. Uh, that's something that really my brother kind of got me into early on is just... But what I connected with, like, everything about those things, like Dragon Ball or, like, Star Wars, they all have to deal with, like, that power within, and I feel like that's why I connected to it so much. It would be like against all possible odds they would dig deep and go to a new level that people, uh, you know, not only did not expect them to, but was, was s- quote, unquote, "impossible". You feel me?

Jay Shetty 3:35 Yeah.

Big Sean 3:35 So things like that just always connected with, like... And I'm still the same way. It's like, you know, you think you're gonna outgrow something, but I never outgrew it and, you know, I don't care what people think. Sometimes, you know, my girl will be like, "Nerd." [laughs]

Jay Shetty 3:51 [laughs]

Big Sean 3:52 And I'll be like, "Yeah, whatever, though."

Jay Shetty 3:53 It's who I am. Yeah.

Big Sean 3:54 It's who I am. Yeah.

Jay Shetty 3:54 Yeah, it's who I am. People don't expect it 'cause, you know, you're fashionable and you, you got swag-

Big Sean 3:59 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 3:59 ... and then, and then all of a sudden you start talking about movies and comics.

Big Sean 4:03 Oh, I could talk about it all day. But not just that. Like I said, great movies, they, they go hand-in-hand. Like, when I'm in the studio creating, like, I have a setup where it's, like, these screens and I'll play, like, two movies at once sometimes just for aesthetic. Not looking at them, but it's just how I love it, man.

Jay Shetty 4:19 Yeah.

Big Sean 4:19 That's, like, definitely a passion of mine for sure that maybe I'll tap into more later on in life.

Jay Shetty 4:23 Mm.

Big Sean 4:24 You know?

Jay Shetty 4:24 Yeah, I could see that.

Big Sean 4:25 'Cause I love writing, I love stories. I love all of that.

Jay Shetty 4:28 Yeah. Have you directed your own music videos as well, right? Like-

Big Sean 4:31 Yeah. Well, well I have a best friend, Lawrence, who we actually did just start a production company, who's directed a lot of my big videos.

Jay Shetty 4:37 Yeah.

Big Sean 4:38 Um, a lot of my big songs. We won some awards together and things like that. But for most of my life music has always been my first priority.

Jay Shetty 4:46 Mm.

Big Sean 4:46 You know?

Big Sean 4:47 But that is something that has also, uh, gotten me in trouble. You know? It's got me in trouble, and I'll explain that a little more because being from Detroit, right, and I'm from a family where they were hard workers. My grandma was one of the first female Black captains in World War II. She was one of-

Jay Shetty 5:06 Wow

Big Sean 5:06 ... the first female, uh, cops in Detroit. And then later she was done being a police officer, she was a teacher, a counselor. She was, like, a strong woman, you know? And my granddad too. They met in World War II and he was, has a similar story of just being so strong and... I come from a family where it's like hard work, hard work, you know, and everyone went to college and is educated. And I was kind of the first in my family to go on a different career path, you know? My mom used to always play all these, like, uh, Motown, like she would l- play Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, all these, uh, the Isley Brothers, like all, always in the morning and I, I kind of fell in love with the music, you know? But my whole life, uh, I remember when I was graduating high school and I gra- I was graduating with a high GPA, I was on my way to, with a full scholarship to college, but I wanted to do music. I knew, and I knew I wanted to do music, and every time I got excited about it, I would just... I could just tell that it was real, you know? Like, I could just feel the connection. Like, I don't care what anybody could tell me, like, "Nah, you tripping. Don't... Like, man, you know, you gonna be out here with, with no... On, living on the street, man, if you... You know, you gotta, you gotta play it safe. You gotta have a backup plan and all that stuff." And obviously that is a way for a lot of people, but for me it was like I put all my eggs in one basket, denied, you know, my scholarship.

Jay Shetty 6:37 Yeah.

Big Sean 6:37 Um-

Jay Shetty 6:37 Michigan State.

Big Sean 6:38 Yeah. And it didn't work out at first, you know? It didn't work out for me, you know? I was like... And that was the first time in my life where I hit a very big wall of depression, a very big wall of anxiety, a ver- a very, you know, pivotal moment in my life where I just didn't even feel like living. And I'm... And this, you know, not to be dramatic, I'm, I was 18 years old, you know? But those are, they are defining moments in your life. And when you're around 17 or 18, 'cause you were around the same time when you saw that monk speak-

Jay Shetty 7:10 Yeah

Big Sean 7:10 ... 'cause I'm also reading your book, Think Like a Monk, and that's a pivotal moment, you know, coming out of high school. And all my friends went to s- college. I didn't go. You know, I ended up meeting Kanye West, right? Rap performing.

Jay Shetty 7:24 Yeah.

Big Sean 7:24 This was my idol. This was my number one person who I wanted to sign to, and I felt like I manifested that. And my mom is someone who introduced certain books to me that I was reading at the time. When I was around 17, she introduced me to Esther and Jerry Hicks and-

Jay Shetty 7:40 Mm

Big Sean 7:40 ... and also The Secret.

Jay Shetty 7:42 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 7:42 You know, The Secret. And, um, you know, she was like, "You can, you know, you can do it. Like, you can manifest it," and I just believed it.

Jay Shetty 7:51 I was gonna ask you about that moment from a different angle. People have heard you tell the story-

Big Sean 7:55 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 7:55 ... but the way you're talking about it today, and also I find, like, our generation today is so lost in, like, procrastination-

Big Sean 8:03 Yeah

Jay Shetty 8:03 ... overthinking, overanalyzing. But you just went there-

Big Sean 8:07 Yeah

Jay Shetty 8:07 ... and showed up-

Big Sean 8:08 Yes

Jay Shetty 8:08 ... without knowing if it was gonna go anywhere. Like, you were ready to be rejected, ready to fail-

Big Sean 8:14 Yeah

Jay Shetty 8:14 ... ready for it to fall flat on your face.

Big Sean 8:16 Yeah, because it was like I couldn't look back and wish I would've, coulda, shoulda, man. I just couldn't. I just felt like, I don't know why, and that, that was one of the concepts for one of my albums, but I just don't know why I felt like I lived the life already and, like, regretted it. And I was like, I just felt that in my heart as a young, you know, as a teenager. So I was like, "I gotta make it happen." Like, that was just it. It was no other option, you know? And she presented these books to me, and it's like she, she's like a guardian angel. It feel like I... Feels like when I look back on it, it's like, man, I really am living with angels, you know? Like, my mom, my grandma, 'cause they would give me books I, I would never read.

Jay Shetty 8:55 [laughs]

Big Sean 8:55 You know? Uh, give me books, try and introduce me to meditation and all these things. But it was when I felt hopeless, you know? And I hate that it got to that point, but I was young, too, you know? I didn't... And I was like, "I might as well just pick this book up. I might as well just... Let me just see what's going on with this because this has to work." And my... When you pick those books up and you crack it open, you realize that the book was talking to you. You realize that these books have energy and that it's attracting you. It's not just for, uh, it's not just because for no reason. It's like they've... It's literally there in your... Ends up in your hands because it's destiny, you know?

Jay Shetty 9:36 Yeah.

Big Sean 9:36 And that's one of the things I learned as soon as I cracked it open. I remember reading The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success and tearing up, you know? And I remember reading Ask And It Is Given by Esther and Jerry Hicks and, like, feeling my whole vibration change, and that is one of the most, um, that is the first time that I realized that there are two realities. There's a reality that we see with our, um, eyes and our feel and touch, and then there is a reality just as real where it is our spiritual world that we can create and manifest, and that is the reality with a capital R.

Jay Shetty 10:14 [laughs]

Big Sean 10:15 You know what I'm saying?

Jay Shetty 10:15 Yeah.

Big Sean 10:15 That's the real reality that you bring to the other reality. And so anyway, I did these exercises, man. Like, I never read f- I only read books f- because I had to in school. That was, like, my thing. Like-

Jay Shetty 10:29 I can relate. [laughs]

Big Sean 10:30 You know? And it was some good books, right? Like, we... I remember we read Animal Farm, The Hobbit, all these great books th- that helped me, but I still never read on my own time.

Jay Shetty 10:40 Mm.

Big Sean 10:40 So these were the first books I read on my own time. You know, I graduated high school. I ended up meet, I ended up meeting Kanye right before I graduated high school, so I ended up rap performing. It's a classic fairy tale hip hop story. You meet your idol, you rap for him, he hears you out. And I had been recording CDs since I was 11 years old, man, so I had been passing out CDs a- around school, selling them for $5, $3. I had been participating in open mics, battle rapping. I had gone to the radio station every Friday after school, even when... You know, 'cause when I turned 16, my grandmother had a stroke.

Jay Shetty 11:17 Mm.

Big Sean 11:18 And she had a brand-new car, so it just... It was a bittersweet thing because it was tragic to see my grandma, you know, have a stroke, and the strongest woman I've ever seen literally get old instantaneously. And then I ended up getting a car, which provided me to get places that I needed to get to, you know, to make, uh, to make the moves I was trying to make, 'cause I was a g- I had that m- that hustler mentality. I was like, I had to do it, you know? There... Eminem was the only rapper from Detroit at the time-

Jay Shetty 11:50 Yeah

Big Sean 11:51 ... that was doing it big, and just to keep it real, I was like, "I gotta represent for the, for Black," you feel me?

Jay Shetty 11:56 [laughs]

Big Sean 11:57 And be like, and put on for my city, and I just felt the responsibility, man, and I know I'm skipping around a lot, a lot, but-

Jay Shetty 12:03 That's all good, man. That's all good

Big Sean 12:05 ... yeah. But, um- I would do this radio show every week. I, you know, and that led me to meeting Kanye because he was at the radio promoting his album, Late Registration, at the time. And, you know, I met him from doing the radio show there every Friday. I lied and said I left my phone in the back offices so they would let me in the back to go check 'cause I knew that's where the artists would go.

Jay Shetty 12:28 [laughs]

Big Sean 12:29 I got a chance to rap for him as he was walking out. You know, he was like, "I, I'm real busy." Like-

Jay Shetty 12:34 How did you have the courage to do that? 'Cause I feel like people probably see you and they're like, "Oh, I wanna go rap for Big Sh-" Like, you know, people wanna repeat-

Big Sean 12:41 All the time

Jay Shetty 12:41 ... they still... Yeah, exactly. So how did you... How do you think you were able to even have the courage to be like, "I'm just gonna find a way in the hallway," like, you know, when he's walking, he's a busy guy.

Big Sean 12:53 Well, because when I did that radio show every Friday, we would rap on the air-

Jay Shetty 12:59 Right

Big Sean 12:59 ... on the radio.

Jay Shetty 13:00 Yeah.

Big Sean 13:01 That was the most nerve-wracking thing I've ever had to do in my life.

Jay Shetty 13:04 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 13:04 It would be like, "Oh my God, everybody who's listening to the radio right now is hearing me." And that was a beautiful platform, right, for up-and-coming MCs to come and, and display. And, um, I would, I would write a new verse every week, and I was super nervous. So I had done that for about a year straight already by the time I met him. So I was used to rapping under pressure.

Jay Shetty 13:25 Right.

Big Sean 13:26 So when I-

Jay Shetty 13:26 That makes sense

Big Sean 13:27 ... saw him and was delivering it, it was just like I had so many raps in my head already, and I was freestyling, and I was used to delivering under pressure, so I was able to, um, dynamically... You know, I, I delivered it as best I could.

Jay Shetty 13:42 Yeah.

Big Sean 13:43 Um, and he, he heard me. He heard me out, and he was like, "Well, you got a CD?" And it's like, "Well, yeah," I got... 'cause I had CDs that I was selling in high school. I had my CDs ready. I had a bio ready. I had everything ready, and it's crazy because ever since I was 11 years old, everything single thing I had done so far led up to that moment.

Jay Shetty 14:01 Mm.

Big Sean 14:01 It all happened. And it was like, yeah, I had the CD, I had this, I had that, and he followed through, but it took years after that. That's what people don't get.

Jay Shetty 14:10 Yeah.

Big Sean 14:10 It wasn't like I rapped for him and that was it. You know, I rapped for him and thought it was gonna be like that. That's why I didn't go to school. That's why I turned everything down, and then I stopped getting a response from him. And then all my friends are in college. A whole semester goes by, and they're like, "Man, you could've came to school with you. You still at home?" Like, "What's up with, what's up with Kanye? What's up with your record deal?" Like, "What's up?" Like-

Jay Shetty 14:32 That's the hardest to hear

Big Sean 14:33 ... that's the hardest. And I come from a family, my grandma's like, "Why aren't... You know, you need to go to school," like, "This is the way to a better life." You know, she grew up in poverty-

Jay Shetty 14:41 Mm

Big Sean 14:41 ... and made her way to that point, you know? And she's like, "Education is the way." And it was the hardest thing to go against the grain, you know? And my mom was really one of the only people who even though she was a teacher herself, right, an English teacher, has her master's degree, she, she know, she knew what it was like to have a dream, and she knew what it was like to chase it, you know? So she believed, of course, education is important, but you can always go back and get it. You can't always live your dr- you know, take that chance.

Jay Shetty 15:11 Can't do it the other way around, yeah.

Big Sean 15:12 So during that time period, for like a year and a half or two, what I did was, that was the first time I intentionally worked on myself.

Jay Shetty 15:20 Mm.

Big Sean 15:21 And I intentionally would read these books and meditate every day and, you know, imagine myself, like, living the life that I was, you know, trying to live. And it just, uh, I don't know how to explain it. It was like I felt like I was there.

Jay Shetty 15:40 Mm.

Big Sean 15:40 And what that did was it put me there. It really did. To make a long story short, it put me there.

Jay Shetty 15:46 What were the work that you were doing with that meditation envisioning? Because I'm sure, like you said, and I'm really glad you brought it up because before, like you said, I was at the radio station. I was-

Big Sean 15:56 Yeah

Jay Shetty 15:57 ... I was rapping live. I was nervous. Like-

Big Sean 15:59 Mm

Jay Shetty 15:59 ... what I, what I find is that with yourself and, and stories like yours, there's manifestation, but there's also a ton of hard work-

Big Sean 16:08 Oh, yeah

Jay Shetty 16:08 ... in the background.

Big Sean 16:09 Yes, it is.

Jay Shetty 16:10 And tell me about that part of what were you doing in the background while you're meditating, you're envisioning, you're seeing yourself there. What's happening with r- rap music and music?

Big Sean 16:19 Well, one of the things that I would do in my meditations is I would put out the, like, I would like, let me attract the people, energy, places-

Jay Shetty 16:27 Wow

Big Sean 16:28 ... that I need to go to the next level in my career. Let me attract the people, and I would meet people. I would meet producers, and we would lock in and, you know, who had a common, um, belief as mine or like, you know, the same one. And like, "I'm trying to get on as a producer." Like, "You trying to get on? Let's work," right? And, um, I would write things down. I would just... It was just my... I, I treated it like it was a job. And also one of the things I had to put in perspective is that it didn't matter how hard I was working necessarily. It really mattered how smart I was working.

Jay Shetty 17:09 Mm.

Big Sean 17:09 You know, I had a perception it is hard work, you're right, but I, I had the perception that it takes hard work until I realized that some of the most successful people I knew would work a couple hours a day-

Jay Shetty 17:23 Yeah

Big Sean 17:24 ... and enjoy their life.

Jay Shetty 17:25 'Cause it's flowing.

Big Sean 17:25 Yeah, it's flowing.

Jay Shetty 17:26 Yeah.

Big Sean 17:26 And at the end of my... And me and my mom, we grew up in debt, and she worked two jobs. And she was working most of her life, so it just didn't make sense to me. You know, early on, I'm like, "It's not about working hard. It's about working efficiently and smarter."

Jay Shetty 17:40 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 17:41 So that's one of the things I, I really learned at that age too. So I would-

Jay Shetty 17:45 It's a big lesson

Big Sean 17:46 ... you know, because a lot of the other people who I would see at studios, they would be like, "Man, I made eight songs today." Like, I'd be like, "Well, I'm still wor- I've been working on the same song for like a week and a half."

Jay Shetty 17:56 [laughs]

Big Sean 17:56 But it's not about, it's not about that, you know? It's, it's, it's about, it's about the product. It's about what you, what you're doing and, and, and, and, uh, not about necessarily how much you're pumping out. You know what I mean?

Jay Shetty 18:11 Yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 18:11 And that was a, that was something I really had to- ... um, accept, 'cause your ego will not let you accept that sometimes

Jay Shetty 18:17 Mm.

Big Sean 18:18 We've been conditioned, right, to, to think all these things, and that's one of the, I feel like one of the things your book talks about. We've been conditioned to, uh, think a certain way. We've been conditioned to, you know, we, we're given like a certain amount of, of, of, uh-

Jay Shetty 18:36 Options

Big Sean 18:37 ... guidance-

Jay Shetty 18:38 Mm

Big Sean 18:38 ... options, directions. You're supposed to do this. You're supposed to do that. You're supposed to fall in line. You're supposed to do that. You're supposed to do that. Hey, you guys we gotta do... You know, the, our whole lives and a lot of that is just... Some of it's great, but some of it just doesn't apply to everyone-

Jay Shetty 18:55 Mm

Big Sean 18:55 ... you know, and that's, that's one of the things I had to realize and, uh, redo my foundation of my whole life-

Jay Shetty 19:03 Yeah

Big Sean 19:03 ... and, and be my architect.

Jay Shetty 19:05 Well said, man. That's beautiful. I, I love the way you've expressed that because that must have been an uncomfortable place to live for one or two years. When you feel you're gonna get your break, it doesn't happen.

Big Sean 19:17 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 19:17 Your friends are now moved on.

Big Sean 19:19 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 19:20 And everyone's-

Big Sean 19:21 And, and I'm still in the same bed that I grew up in.

Jay Shetty 19:23 [laughs] Yeah.

Big Sean 19:24 You know?

Jay Shetty 19:24 Yeah.

Big Sean 19:25 I, I, I was sleeping in a twin size bed, man. I'm 18, 19 years old. You feel me?

Jay Shetty 19:29 Yeah.

Big Sean 19:30 And, uh, it was so frustrating and it, it was a test of my ego, bro.

Jay Shetty 19:36 Mm.

Big Sean 19:36 It was a test of my ego, but I was a visuali- I would visualize Kanye reaching out. I would visualize... I just knew that it was gonna happen. I didn't know how, and like I was like, "I'm gonna make it happen somehow," and it just, it did, bro. And it's like something you gotta trust.

Jay Shetty 19:53 Mm.

Big Sean 19:53 You know? Imagine you being on a cliff, and it's like there's no more cliff there, but you like, "Hey, man-

Jay Shetty 20:00 [laughs]

Big Sean 20:00 ... there's an invisible bridge." You know, if you had a, if you had a gui- a guidance next to you, like you had your higher self walking next to you-

Jay Shetty 20:07 Yeah

Big Sean 20:08 ... and you're like, "Bro, there's nowhere to walk." And he's like, "I'm telling you, if you take a step, it's an invisible bridge right in front of you," and that takes a lot of faith to walk on that bridge-

Jay Shetty 20:15 Yeah

Big Sean 20:16 ... you know, that you can't even see.

Jay Shetty 20:18 Yeah.

Big Sean 20:18 But that's what I had to do because that's, that's, that's the decision I made. I wasn't about to go back to school at that moment. I wasn't about to go back to my friends and be like, "Man, y'all was right."

Jay Shetty 20:30 [laughs]

Big Sean 20:30 Like, "I messed up, man. I should've just..."

Jay Shetty 20:32 Yeah.

Big Sean 20:32 You know, I w- I, I couldn't do it, you know?

Jay Shetty 20:34 Yeah.

Big Sean 20:34 And that may have been my ego too, but I did let that motivate me, and, um, that's just, that's just how it went, you know?

Jay Shetty 20:43 That's-

Big Sean 20:43 And then, then he did reach out.

Jay Shetty 20:44 Yeah. Tell us about, tell us about that moment, how it felt internally around... Were you like, "Oh, wow, this manifestation stuff works"? Was that a point where you deepened your faith and belief in the invisible bridge where you were like, "Oh, this stuff really works"? Or do you think you already believed that it worked and it was just about trust? Or was this like a confidence point where you were-

Big Sean 21:05 I had to trust it first.

Jay Shetty 21:06 Yeah. Okay.

Big Sean 21:07 I had to trust it first.

Jay Shetty 21:09 Beautiful. Yeah.

Big Sean 21:10 You know? And that's the thing and with everything. You gotta trust it, and, um, then it started working.

Jay Shetty 21:19 Mm.

Big Sean 21:19 You know, things necessarily don't work before you trust it. It's kind of like you got... You know, I think that's one of-

Jay Shetty 21:24 That's real

Big Sean 21:24 ... the lessons I had to learn. You know? I had to trust in me, trust myself, trust the process, trust God's speed. You know, that expression is, uh, so popular for a reason.

Jay Shetty 21:37 Mm.

Big Sean 21:37 You know, you can make all these plan... My grandma used to always be like, "Man, guy, you make all these plans, God, God's gonna laugh at you."

Jay Shetty 21:42 Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 21:43 You know, that classic saying, and-

Jay Shetty 21:45 Yeah

Big Sean 21:45 ... she would say that to me, and it, so many sayings like that just mean so much more now because it's true. That's why it's so popular.

Jay Shetty 21:53 Mm.

Big Sean 21:53 What goes around comes around. [laughs] You know?

Jay Shetty 21:55 Yeah.

Big Sean 21:55 All these little things that we heard.

Jay Shetty 21:57 Yeah. They're true. Yeah.

Big Sean 21:58 They're true.

Jay Shetty 21:59 Yeah.

Big Sean 21:59 You know? Uh, so it's, it, it's been a beautiful time, and when he did, when he did reach out, it was just, it felt like it was confirmation that that trust, uh, wasn't wasted. It's all a higher power, right?

Jay Shetty 22:21 Yeah.

Big Sean 22:21 And that, and that is guiding us and wants to support us.

Jay Shetty 22:24 Yes.

Big Sean 22:24 And does support us. Not wants to, does support us.

Jay Shetty 22:27 Absolutely. Did you ask him why it took him so long? [laughs]

Big Sean 22:29 Nah, because, you know, I knew people who were like 30, 40 years old that never got their shot-

Jay Shetty 22:35 Yeah, yeah

Big Sean 22:35 ... so I'm not gonna be like, "Man, I'm not... It took, took two years."

Jay Shetty 22:39 [laughs]

Big Sean 22:39 Like, what took so long?

Jay Shetty 22:40 Yeah.

Big Sean 22:40 You know?

Jay Shetty 22:41 Yeah.

Big Sean 22:41 But, uh, you know, and it was a process after that, and things... N- I'm not gonna sit here and say life is smooth sailing.

Jay Shetty 22:50 Never.

Big Sean 22:50 You know? It's, it's not smooth sailing. It's like a constant unraveling experience, right?

Jay Shetty 22:58 Mm.

Big Sean 22:58 And things don't... It's so many times, bro, that things don't go my way, and I've done all the work, and I'm like, "Why didn't this happen how I wanted it to happen?" And then sometimes where I didn't expect things to do anything, and it was s- turns out to be one of my biggest songs-

Jay Shetty 23:13 That's it

Big Sean 23:13 ... in my career, my biggest moments, or one of my great, you know, greatest experiences or things that I've like, "Okay, I put so much energy and power into this," and it not do what I wanted it to do. Like, these are things that I go through on a, on a daily basis, but I had to realize that it's all... The, the side of life that I'm on is such a unique side, and it's the ble- the blessed side.

Jay Shetty 23:41 Yeah.

Big Sean 23:42 And that anything that happens to me, anything, you know, whether I... It's all, it's all love. It's all beautiful, you know? And it's something to be learned from. It's something to be gained from. It's, you know, that you, you, when you win something, you learn something. When you lose something, you learn something. You know, you still win something.

Jay Shetty 24:00 Yeah.

Big Sean 24:00 You gain something, you know? So it's, it's, it's crazy, man.

Jay Shetty 24:04 [laughs]

Big Sean 24:04 It's really crazy.

Jay Shetty 24:05 Did you find that when you finally made it into the music industry that there were people like you that meditated, that were visioning, that were working from this- ... deeper core place. Did you, did you find that or did you find that your spirituality was almost threatened or questioned or there weren't people seeing eye to eye? How did you feel about that? Did you find like it was still natural to stay true to what got you there? Because you had a very different journey in terms of internal journey towards music.

Big Sean 24:37 Yeah. I would see both.

Jay Shetty 24:40 Yeah.

Big Sean 24:40 I would see people... One of the reasons I wanted to sign to Kanye, 'cause his first album inspired me so much.

Jay Shetty 24:48 Yeah, same. Great album.

Big Sean 24:49 And I can tell that his... Whether he knows it or not, he is, he's a m- he is for clearly is a manifester.

Jay Shetty 24:57 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 24:57 He clearly is a spiritual being too, you know, or y- you could call it religious. To me it's, uh, you know, there are so many similarities, right? Um, but he is, he is somebody who is a manifester. He's somebody who's a creator, right?

Jay Shetty 25:15 Mm.

Big Sean 25:15 He's somebody who, uh, I've saw him willed ideas from, you know, the inspiration of God or, you know, whatever, whatever he can say it is. But that drew me to him, you know what I mean?

Jay Shetty 25:29 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 25:29 And, uh, yeah, I've seen it in a lot of people. I've seen it, you know, when I sit and talk to Jay-Z it's like I don't have to sit and like talk to him so deeply about it. I can just tell that he has this, you know... There are a lot of people who I've met, even DJ Khaled-

Jay Shetty 25:42 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah

Big Sean 25:43 ... you know, he's somebody who is, you know-

Jay Shetty 25:47 Manifesting for sure

Big Sean 25:48 ... a manifester.

Jay Shetty 25:49 Yeah.

Big Sean 25:49 You know? And then his story is crazy. I don't know if you've ever talked to him, but-

Jay Shetty 25:53 I haven't. I haven't, no

Big Sean 25:54 ... his story is crazy, man.

Jay Shetty 25:55 Yeah.

Big Sean 25:56 And you know, it's a beautiful, beautiful story, and we all have stories.

Jay Shetty 26:00 Mm.

Big Sean 26:01 And there are people who... Like, those are people who you would kinda like be like, "Oh, okay, I could see that." But then there are people who I also have met, or even Jhené, you know-

Jay Shetty 26:11 Yeah

Big Sean 26:11 ... you could tell Jhené is like very aware.

Jay Shetty 26:14 For sure.

Big Sean 26:14 And, um, you know, somebody who is spiritually in tune, you know what I mean?

Jay Shetty 26:21 Yeah. That's what, that's what I love about this conversation and, and all the people you're mentioning. I think we see a, we see an external PR version-

Big Sean 26:30 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 26:31 ... of who we think those people are on the front cover of magazines or music videos or-

Big Sean 26:34 Mm

Jay Shetty 26:35 ... whatever it may be. But behind everyone there's a deeper story.

Big Sean 26:38 Mm.

Jay Shetty 26:39 It, it wasn't just like that.

Jay Shetty 26:40 Tell us about when... I'm intrigued because I feel like a lot of people listening to us right now, they may actually feel blocked-

Big Sean 26:46 Mm

Jay Shetty 26:46 ... from that-

Big Sean 26:47 Ooh

Jay Shetty 26:47 ... envisioning, right? They feel-

Big Sean 26:49 Mm

Jay Shetty 26:49 ... blocked. Like, they feel like they just f- they're not getting... When have you felt blocked? Or if someone's listening and they feel blocked, what's blocking them? Like, like w- how do they remove that? How do they let go? What are, what are they needing to let go of?

Big Sean 27:03 Well, this is deep-

Jay Shetty 27:06 Yeah

Big Sean 27:06 ... dog. You're getting deep.

Jay Shetty 27:07 I had to, I had to go there with you.

Big Sean 27:08 Yeah. Yeah.

Jay Shetty 27:09 You're, you're giving me deep talks. I don't wanna, you know, got to dive in.

Big Sean 27:13 Well, one thing I have learned on my journey is that there are blocks that are sometimes placed on us from our parents-

Jay Shetty 27:23 Mm

Big Sean 27:23 ... or from our surroundings.

Jay Shetty 27:25 Mm.

Big Sean 27:26 And whether you believe this or not, I believe it is true even from a past life.

Jay Shetty 27:31 Mm-hmm. I'm with you.

Big Sean 27:34 And it makes total sense 'cause I've met complete babies who were like, "This is like a old man sitting here," right?

Jay Shetty 27:39 [laughs]

Big Sean 27:39 "He's very mature." You know? It's like... But anyway, um, I have worked with people who have helped me remove blocks from my life.

Jay Shetty 27:48 Mm.

Big Sean 27:49 Marie Diamond being one of them.

Jay Shetty 27:50 Mm.

Big Sean 27:51 You know? And that's a whole deeper conversation, but she has, um, in the last few years is someone who has help, um, who has been a mentor to me spiritually and helped me along my spiritual journey. And, um, you know, honestly, when I lo- when I just think about the blocks that I've had in my life... So to go back to that, to think about people who are feeling blocked, know that you have to believe that you can feel unblocked because you're giving it power by acknowledging, like, "I'm blocked. I'm blocked." You're putting that out in the universe. Remember like what we said, the sayings that people live by that you've heard. What goes around comes around. What you get is what you give. Those are real things, and you subconsciously... And that subconscious mind is just as powerful as the conscious mind. When you s- "Ah, I'm feeling blocked," or, "Man, I'm just, I'm down bad." You know, I've heard people just say all these things that they put on themselves. Like, "I can't figure it out."

Jay Shetty 28:53 Mm.

Big Sean 28:53 "I can't figure it out. I can't figure it out." So okay, imagine if you're in front of the universe and God, and he's like, "Whatever you say, I'm gonna give back to you."

Jay Shetty 29:03 [laughs]

Big Sean 29:03 Like, "I'm... Whatever you say, I'm gonna give it back to you." So you sitting up here like, "I can't figure it out, man. I can't, I can't make money. I can't do this. I can't do..." You know, I just, I feel like I... It's like even when I did feel blocked, I never, and if I did think that, I never owned it.

Jay Shetty 29:18 Mm.

Big Sean 29:19 And I'd be like, "No. Okay, I gotta switch that. I gotta, I gotta feel better." So the first key to unblocking something is acknowledging that you are blocking yourself, for sure.

Jay Shetty 29:28 Mm.

Big Sean 29:29 You know? And I do think there are some deeper blocks that you gotta work harder on to remove, like blocks that may have not even been put there from you, so you're not even acknowledging it or know how, or know how to, um, remove it. And there are special people who can do this, you know-

Jay Shetty 29:42 Mm

Big Sean 29:42 ... that can help you get rid of it. But I do feel like you're blocking yourself, and you gotta realize that. Stop blocking yourself. It doesn't matter if you don't have money. Don't say you don't have money.

Jay Shetty 29:54 Yeah.

Big Sean 29:55 Be like, "I got money. Money's coming in right now." Like, "Woo, I f- it feels good to be rich." If you keep that mentality and you, you're not rich, I s- promise you, if you really believe it-

Jay Shetty 30:06 Mm

Big Sean 30:06 ... which you have to believe it because you just have to. There's, if you, you know, uh... You will be whatever you wanna be.

Jay Shetty 30:15 Yeah.

Big Sean 30:15 And it's never too late to be who you wanna be.

Jay Shetty 30:18 Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I used to have a mentor I remember who used to repeat to me the Napoleon Hill words of like, "You become what you think about."

Big Sean 30:25 Yeah

Jay Shetty 30:26 And, and he just keeps saying it to me, and he'd tell me to keep saying it. When he first said it, I was just like, "Oh, come on," like, you know, how many times are you gonna say it? It's like a mantra. When I first became a monk and they introduced me to mantra-

Big Sean 30:36 Man

Jay Shetty 30:36 ... saying the same thing-

Big Sean 30:37 Whoa

Jay Shetty 30:38 ... every day again and again, and you're thinking, "Oh, this ain't gonna work." But actually what you're saying is true, that when you repeat, you become what you think about.

Big Sean 30:46 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 30:46 And when you keep repeating it, it becomes your vocabulary, it becomes your mindset, it becomes your thought, and then it becomes your reality.

Big Sean 30:54 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 30:54 And, and you're spot on. I love what you said about being in front of God and you saying, "I can't do this. I can't do that," and God's giving you back-

Big Sean 31:03 Exactly

Jay Shetty 31:04 ... exactly what you're repeating.

Big Sean 31:05 He's like, "You're right, man, you can't."

Jay Shetty 31:07 Yeah. [laughs]

Big Sean 31:07 "All right. Hey," like-

Jay Shetty 31:08 Yeah, you said it. Yeah. And, and that is such a great way of thinking about it-

Big Sean 31:12 Yeah

Jay Shetty 31:12 ... as a conversation around how we're creating our reality through our repetition.

Big Sean 31:18 Yeah. I can't wait to talk to you about being a monk, too.

Jay Shetty 31:20 [laughs]

Big Sean 31:21 That's like... When we have dinner next week-

Jay Shetty 31:22 Next week, yeah

Big Sean 31:22 ... that's like some, some...

Jay Shetty 31:24 Yeah.

Big Sean 31:24 But, um, one of the things that you, that made me think about this is when I-

Jay Shetty 31:28 Yeah

Big Sean 31:28 ... would come home and watch Bob Ross on PBS painting the pictures or when I would watch Michael Jordan-

Jay Shetty 31:36 Mm

Big Sean 31:36 ... and all these ins- or Kobe Bryant and all these inspiring people when I was growing up, Mike Tyson, right, or just Michael Jackson, anybody that-

Jay Shetty 31:47 Yeah

Big Sean 31:47 ... I can think of, uh, I like, I like all the artwork on, on the wall.

Jay Shetty 31:52 [laughs] Few people you mentioned are up there, so-

Big Sean 31:54 Yeah

Jay Shetty 31:54 ... yeah, there's a few people.

Big Sean 31:55 But when I was thinking about that-

Jay Shetty 31:57 Yeah

Big Sean 31:57 ... it just brings me back to, uh, technique.

Jay Shetty 32:00 Mm.

Big Sean 32:01 How much life, how much of life is truly technique, and that is one of the biggest secrets I've learned. Um, when I was going through one of the roughest times of my life a few years ago, I had just turned 30, and I was feeling so depressed, bro. Um, and I had just moved into my house that I've been in for a few years in Beverly Hills, right? Slash's... I got it from Slash from Guns N Roses. You know, all these neigh- all of my neighbors are... You know, Vanna White is my neighbor. I'm, like, talking, like, this is like, to me, this was like my dre- this is my dream neighborhood, right? And I was in the worst condition of my life, bro. I just felt, I felt it was just too hard for me to even get through the day. I felt like-

Jay Shetty 32:51 How did you get there? Why did it get there? After all of this envisioning, focus, inner work, how did it get there?

Big Sean 32:57 You know why I got there? Because I lost touch with it a little bit. Not just 'cause of that. I burned myself out.

Jay Shetty 33:06 Mm.

Big Sean 33:06 I wasn't paying attention to what myself was saying to me. I was doing it for all different other reasons.

Jay Shetty 33:13 Mm.

Big Sean 33:13 I need to do this show. I need to do five shows so I can get this money, take care of this person, and do it for this. Oh, my management, everybody is expecting me. I got all these people. I got people who are on m- my payrolls. I'm like-

Jay Shetty 33:25 Yeah

Big Sean 33:25 ... I'm putting everybody before me.

Jay Shetty 33:27 Yeah.

Big Sean 33:28 I didn't know how to balance, um, work and work.

Jay Shetty 33:36 [laughs]

Big Sean 33:36 Because there's a work that you do for your career, and there's a work that you do for yourself.

Jay Shetty 33:41 Yes.

Big Sean 33:42 No one ever taught me that because no one knew.

Jay Shetty 33:44 Mm.

Big Sean 33:45 No one knew. You know, no one knew, like... This is something that my dad didn't know. This is something my mom didn't know. Their mentality is you work as hard as you can, you work-

Jay Shetty 33:55 Yeah

Big Sean 33:55 ... as hard as you can, so I come from a place where it's like you gotta keep the foot on their necks. You gotta keep going hard. You don't wanna lose your opportunity.

Jay Shetty 34:01 Yeah.

Big Sean 34:02 That was my own thinking, but really I had already had it.

Jay Shetty 34:07 Yeah.

Big Sean 34:07 You know? I already have it, so now to take it to another place, I gotta take care of myself so I can bring my best self to the table, and it's something that life forced me to do.

Jay Shetty 34:15 Mm.

Big Sean 34:16 It's something that life forced me to do, man, and I had to stop everything I was doing and completely fall back, bro. Completely fall back from looking at things about me, from being online, completely fall back from all the obligations I had to do, performances, money I was losing. Like, it was just like I had to fall back from everything and take some time, and that's when I met Marie Diamond.

Jay Shetty 34:43 Mm.

Big Sean 34:43 And obviously I had k- I seen her on The Secret. I was, you know, I knew about her, and my mom taking one of her classes, emailed Marie Diamond and was like, "Hey, my son is a musician," this and this and this. And then she got a email back from Marie Diamond, and she w- my mom was freaking out.

Jay Shetty 35:02 [laughs]

Big Sean 35:03 And Marie Diamond said, "This is so crazy because my son has Sean on his vision board."

Jay Shetty 35:13 Wow.

Big Sean 35:14 And she goes, "I've never worked with a rapper."

Jay Shetty 35:15 Yeah.

Big Sean 35:16 You know? "I've never done anything like this." She's worked with big people, you know? Big, big clients. But, uh, anyway, uh, that was a serendipity.

Jay Shetty 35:27 Yeah.

Big Sean 35:27 You know, that was a meant to be thing, and that came at a time right where I needed it, and I, I just... I got into the technique of loving myself, bro. Bringing it back to the point I said earlier, when I would look at Bob Ross and Michael Jordan, it's all technique.

Jay Shetty 35:41 Mm.

Big Sean 35:42 So much of life is technique. What you do is technique because it's, it, you know, I had to get into the technique of loving myself.

Jay Shetty 35:49 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 35:50 I had to really g- make sure that I put myself as a priority. My meditations came before anything.

Jay Shetty 35:56 Mm.

Big Sean 35:56 Me writing down my intentions, you know, every day or every other day or, you know, writing my thoughts down, like, that was a priority to me. Um, spend- just spending time for myself, being out in nature, right? Working, uh, working. I started taking care of myself more, working out.

Jay Shetty 36:15 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 36:16 That's something I never did. I gained 30 pound- I gained 30 pounds.

Jay Shetty 36:19 Wow.

Big Sean 36:20 Yeah, we gotta show, like, a before and after-

Jay Shetty 36:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah

Big Sean 36:21 ... on here because-

Jay Shetty 36:22 We'll get it. We'll get it for this podcast. Yeah

Big Sean 36:23 ... it's crazy. I used to look totally different. It changed me for the better, and it just, it's, it's just, it's built my strength up. It's given me more strength to deal with things when they don't go my way. Before it would tear me down. Before I used to let people's opinions about me really d- really affect me.

Jay Shetty 36:38 Yeah, same.

Big Sean 36:39 And now it's like, what, what was I even- What am I even thinking right now?

Jay Shetty 36:44 Yeah.

Big Sean 36:44 You know what I mean? You get... It's crazy how we can look and see a comment that's like, "I love you. I appreciate you."

Jay Shetty 36:50 I know.

Big Sean 36:50 "You changed my life. Amazing. Man, this guy sucks." And we'd be like, "Man, this dude just said I suck."

Jay Shetty 36:56 [laughs]

Big Sean 36:57 "I'm doing something wrong," you know? It's crazy how our mind immediately goes there because our ego-

Jay Shetty 37:02 Yeah

Big Sean 37:02 ... you know? Uh, or maybe because something else, but I think it's just that ego.

Jay Shetty 37:06 It is.

Big Sean 37:06 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 37:07 Yeah.

Big Sean 37:07 But, but I had to get into the technique of loving myself, man, for real.

Jay Shetty 37:11 But what I respect about you is, is it took courage to get there, but then it takes courage to go deep again.

Big Sean 37:19 Oh, yeah.

Jay Shetty 37:20 And so the, you know, like, it took courage for you to break through and get in front of Kanye and, and build your career, and then to be at the top and to be at a point where it's like, oh, wow, like, there's so much opportunity-

Big Sean 37:33 Yeah

Jay Shetty 37:33 ... and to then go, "Oh, wait, I need to do the work."

Big Sean 37:36 I needs to do the work. Yeah.

Jay Shetty 37:38 That takes even more courage because now you have something to lose.

Big Sean 37:42 Sure.

Jay Shetty 37:42 And that's an inc- I respect that a lot because I think when I, when I work with people and I meet people who are, who are crushing it, it's like when you're crushing it and then you go, "No, no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute, I still need to get this right," that shows an even deeper level of courage and insight. And the fact that you were able to take that step back, what made you comfortable and confident that you had to seek out help? Like, your mother was obviously sending this email to Marie Diamond. When were you like, "Okay, I need to find a coach, a guide, therapy, like, open myself up to other ways to help"? Because you'd done it fairly yourself and through books.

Big Sean 38:19 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 38:19 But then all of a sudden it's almost like, oh, you need-

Big Sean 38:21 I got to, I gotta need it more.

Jay Shetty 38:23 Yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 38:23 'Cause it's an ongoing process.

Jay Shetty 38:25 Yeah.

Big Sean 38:25 It's an ongoing journey, right? Uh,

Big Sean 38:27 I, I had no choice. For me, it was... I c- I couldn't get through the day without feeling terrible.

Jay Shetty 38:34 Mm.

Big Sean 38:35 And when you get to that point where it's hard for you to just do anything, you know, uh, I knew my perspective was off. I knew... I did, and I sought, I sought therapy too.

Jay Shetty 38:47 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 38:47 You know? I sought therapists. I was spiritually working on myself, and it was just the perspective, bro. You know, I used to look at things like, "Oh, I gotta do this today. I gotta do this. I gotta do this podcast. I gotta... Oh, man, I'm, like, overwhelmed." But now it's like, "Nah, I don't gotta do that. I get to do it."

Jay Shetty 39:08 Mm.

Big Sean 39:09 "I get to do this."

Jay Shetty 39:10 Mm.

Big Sean 39:11 "I get to be... Man, I get to live this... I get to wake up, man, and see this." Well, you know, I lo- we lost Nipsey Hussle.

Jay Shetty 39:18 Yep.

Big Sean 39:18 You know, we lost... My mom's best friend just died. Um, I've lost people close to me.

Jay Shetty 39:24 Yeah.

Big Sean 39:24 You know? Uh, and it's, they don't get to wake up.

Jay Shetty 39:31 Nope.

Big Sean 39:32 You know? And they leave behind kids. They leave behind a life, right? And I almost felt like I was being selfish because I was not living in the moment.

Jay Shetty 39:44 Mm.

Big Sean 39:44 You're never living in the moment when you're thinking about what you have to do.

Jay Shetty 39:49 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 39:50 You're only living in the moment when you're enjoying each moment, right?

Jay Shetty 39:53 Yeah.

Big Sean 39:54 And, uh, one of the things that I've learned, dog, is, like, holding onto grudges, that's not living in love. You know what I'm saying? Like, love doesn't hold grudges. You hold onto grudges. Your ego holds onto grudges. Like, you gotta just move with love and live in the moment. And when you do, everything is a pleasure.

Jay Shetty 40:14 Mm.

Big Sean 40:14 You know? Even if it's a lot, even if you can't get it all done, even if you're like, "I didn't even get to that today," it's like, at least, at least you're here, dog.

Jay Shetty 40:23 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 40:24 You know?

Jay Shetty 40:25 I love that switch of what you said from, "I've got to do this" to "I get to do this."

Big Sean 40:30 Totally.

Jay Shetty 40:30 That's, that's a beautiful switch in the mindset, man. I think so many of us are always, "Oh, I've gotta do this next. I've gotta do..."

Big Sean 40:36 Oh, yeah.

Jay Shetty 40:36 I think that is such a, a great... I'm def- I'm gonna remember that forever. Like, that's-

Big Sean 40:40 Yeah, I hope so.

Jay Shetty 40:41 Yeah.

Big Sean 40:41 That... I hope people really understand that-

Jay Shetty 40:43 Yeah

Big Sean 40:43 ... because even if you're down bad, to everybody who's down bad right now who's watching this, um, you know, who has no money, right? Even if you don't have a, a... Even if you're homeless, right? Even if it's, even if it's the worst situation, you don't have a, a cent to your name, but somehow you're seeing this, just remember that this is your opportunity. Every situation is a opportunity, and you don't got to do more work than the next man. You get to do more work than the next man. You get to take advantage of your opportunity and see a spectrum that people don't get to see.

Jay Shetty 41:20 Mm.

Big Sean 41:20 You know? You get to, you get to live out the, uh, levels of life that-

Jay Shetty 41:27 Yeah

Big Sean 41:27 ... you know, people don't get to see. You know, people don't get to see the bottom sometimes. Some people are born into wealth and happiness, and they don't have to... You know, you get to s- you get to struggle. You get to be stronger.

Jay Shetty 41:37 Yeah.

Big Sean 41:37 You get to lift that weight. And, you know, you, you have strong enough muscles to climb the mountain and be the master of your life. So I'm, I'm letting you know that you got what it takes. You got it.

Jay Shetty 41:50 Yeah. I love that. And you get to be more compassionate and empathetic, 'cause when you've been there, now when you rise, you're able to love and be compassionate to other people's pain.

Big Sean 42:01 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 42:01 'Cause you were there.

Big Sean 42:02 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 42:02 And you get more empathy, and that's such a gift in life, I feel. To feel compassion to that degree is a huge gift because you've been there. You know what it feels like. And, and that-

Big Sean 42:12 That only comes from experience.

Jay Shetty 42:14 Totally. And, and to have that is, is a gift in and of itself. Tell me about, uh, you know, now where you're at. Like, when we look at you now, like you've, you've given us a really beautiful deep dive into these moments in your story.

Big Sean 42:28 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 42:28 What i- what are you visioning today? What are you working on today? What are some of those techniques for love?

Big Sean 42:34 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 42:35 And I love that you used the word techniques. I think that's such a beautiful juxtaposition between technique and love. 'Cause people often think love is just fluid and fluffy and-

Big Sean 42:45 Right

Jay Shetty 42:45 ... you know? But you're spot on. It's, it's a science and a spirituality. It's a-

Big Sean 42:49 It is

Jay Shetty 42:50 ... it's both. It's strategic and sincere. It's, it's both, right?

Big Sean 42:54 Yes.

Jay Shetty 42:54 Like, I feel we live in this world where... I was talking about it with a friend today And I was saying that the human mind needs to get better at entertaining the idea that two opposites or two things that you think are opposite actually is where the magic happens.

Big Sean 43:11 Mm.

Jay Shetty 43:11 So like when you say love is a technique, people go, "No, no, no. Love, love can't be a technique because it just has to be, you know, pure and flowing." But actually it starts as a technique-

Big Sean 43:22 Yes

Jay Shetty 43:22 ... and then it transcends.

Big Sean 43:23 Yes.

Jay Shetty 43:24 Right? It starts that way. Tell us about some of the work you're doing today-

Big Sean 43:28 Yeah

Jay Shetty 43:28 ... uh, internally and externally that you feel is in line with what you're sharing.

Big Sean 43:32 Well, first of all, I'm like going through this cleanse right now.

Jay Shetty 43:35 Yeah.

Big Sean 43:35 This four-month cleanse that's, um-

Jay Shetty 43:38 Is that a food cleanse or?

Big Sean 43:39 No. It's a, a cleanse, um, where you take certain supplements. You know, you're definitely supposed to eat a certain way. It's not a super strict like just berries or anything like that.

Jay Shetty 43:51 [laughs]

Big Sean 43:51 It's just like, it's kinda like the, the diet that I already have which is like I don't do wheat, you know?

Jay Shetty 43:57 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 43:57 Uh, gluten. There are times where I have no choice sometimes and I even have enzymes that are like to help, help with that. But, uh, so it's, you know, it's not, it's not a super strict diet but it's a diet where, you know, you stay in the guidelines.

Jay Shetty 44:12 Yeah.

Big Sean 44:12 And-

Jay Shetty 44:13 I'm taking notes for dinner next week.

Big Sean 44:14 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 44:15 You, you let me know. I'll tell my wife.

Big Sean 44:17 Yeah. And anyway, uh, I'm doing... Jhene's doing this too. Uh, it's a cleanse and my mom is doing it. A lot of people are doing it around me. Uh, four-month cleanse.

Jay Shetty 44:28 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 44:28 And you clean your gut and your intestines and your liver and your kidneys and you clean, then you clean out parasites, then the worms and all these crazy things that, you know, that that's the stage I'm in now. I've just, I'm in... Just started my second month out of four months. And, um, one thing I realize is that when you do a cleanse like that, right? I've never done one in my life and I used to... I mean, at one point, especially in, in high school, like every night I was eating McDonald's. You know what I'm saying? I was getting that double cheeseburger. I was getting Taco Bell. I was getting Burger King-

Jay Shetty 45:03 [laughs]

Big Sean 45:03 ... White Castles. Like I was on it. That's just... 'Cause it was just what we had.

Jay Shetty 45:07 Yeah.

Big Sean 45:07 I would be in the studio at my friend's house or we record in the basement. It's like that's just what it was, you know? And I've eaten so much of that in my life-

Jay Shetty 45:16 [laughs]

Big Sean 45:16 ... when I was younger. So I was like I really need to do this cleanse. So that's, that's one of the things I'm doing now. And I do feel like when you do a cleanse like that, it also cleanse energetically-

Jay Shetty 45:28 Mm-hmm

Big Sean 45:28 ... some of that old you that you've been holding onto for years.

Jay Shetty 45:31 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 45:32 You know? Um, so that's one-

Jay Shetty 45:33 And you learn discipline. You learn... It's always like-

Big Sean 45:37 Yeah

Jay Shetty 45:37 ... I feel like there's a, there's a beautiful story that you just reminded me of from what you said. Uh, it's, it's in a book called the... I think it's called The Zen of Archery. So it's about archery.

Big Sean 45:47 Mm.

Jay Shetty 45:48 And a student comes to a, an archery master, a Zen master who's also an archer and goes, "I wanna learn archery."

Big Sean 45:55 Mm.

Jay Shetty 45:55 And so the master goes, "Okay. Let's, let's learn archery." So they draw a target onto a little piece of paper. They stick it on a tree. They make a little bow out of a twig and a string, and they give it to the student, and they give them a little arrow made out of a twig and they say, "Go for it." And the person just starts like shooting twigs.

Big Sean 46:16 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 46:16 And, and they're missing and, and then the master says to the student, the master says, "What is your goal? Like what's the goal?"

Big Sean 46:25 Mm.

Jay Shetty 46:26 And the student says, "My goal is to hit that target, the bullseye, to hit right in the middle."

Big Sean 46:32 Right.

Jay Shetty 46:33 And the master says, "So you're telling me that your goal is to shoot a twig into a piece of paper?"

Big Sean 46:41 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 46:42 And the student's like, "Yeah. Isn't, isn't that what we're doing?" And the master says something beautiful. The master says, "That's your target. The goal is to be calm enough so that you can hit your target."

Big Sean 46:54 I love that.

Jay Shetty 46:54 And, and what you just said now-

Big Sean 46:56 I love that

Jay Shetty 46:56 ... like your target is to change your gut and purify and detox.

Big Sean 47:01 Uh-huh.

Jay Shetty 47:01 But the goal is the discipline-

Big Sean 47:04 Oh, yeah

Jay Shetty 47:04 ... the nourishment that what you just said, like that's what you're really achieving-

Big Sean 47:08 Yeah

Jay Shetty 47:09 ... in the cleanse.

Big Sean 47:10 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 47:10 And I think we get the goal and the target confused a lot.

Big Sean 47:13 Ooh.

Jay Shetty 47:13 We, we, we think that the target is the goal, but the goal is to be still and to be present. The target's just a way of getting to that goal.

Big Sean 47:22 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 47:22 So I love that, that you're doing that. I need to join you on that. I'm, I'm big into-

Big Sean 47:25 Yeah

Jay Shetty 47:26 ... gut health and realizing how-

Big Sean 47:28 Oh, yeah. It's like your microbiomes-

Jay Shetty 47:30 Yeah

Big Sean 47:30 ... and everything. It's like it has to do-

Jay Shetty 47:32 Yeah

Big Sean 47:32 ... this cleanse specifically has to do with that and-

Jay Shetty 47:34 I need to, I need to... I, I want you to introduce me to that person afterwards who's-

Big Sean 47:38 Yeah

Jay Shetty 47:38 ... who's managing that. That would be useful, yeah.

Big Sean 47:39 I'm gonna tell you, Mama Myra, my mom, she is-

Jay Shetty 47:42 She's the one

Big Sean 47:42 ... she is a health... Everything I've ever done with health. Let me tell you another quick story about-

Jay Shetty 47:48 Yeah

Big Sean 47:48 ... health real quick.

Jay Shetty 47:49 Please.

Big Sean 47:49 And then you don't have to include this if you don't want, but-

Jay Shetty 47:51 No, no. We can

Big Sean 47:51 ... I had a real bad injury on tour with my knee.

Jay Shetty 47:54 Right.

Big Sean 47:55 Went to the doctor and the doctor was like, "Man, we're gonna have to put screws in your knee. We're gonna... Your cartilage is completely torn down and your bones are rubbing together." I could barely walk. My mom was like, "I, I don't accept that," right?

Jay Shetty 48:10 [laughs]

Big Sean 48:10 "So let's go to..." This is the second time in my life. I'll tell you the first time. This is the second time it's happened. She's like, "I found this place that does, uh, stem cell research," and this is how we got hip to the oxidation of the blood. Uh, what they would do is they would oxidize this blood, put it in your, wherever you needed it, right? For me it was my knee. And it would slowly repair the knee and then regenerate the cartilage with the, uh, stem cells. My cartilage regenerated in my knee 98%. 98% regeneration.

Jay Shetty 48:46 What? Wow.

Big Sean 48:46 This is not a game. And this doctor told me I had to have surgery on my knee and put screws in my knee. Uh, and this was a more holistic approach. You know, this was a more of a, uh, Eastern, I guess-

Jay Shetty 48:58 Yeah, yeah

Big Sean 48:59 ... you know, medicine.

Jay Shetty 49:00 Alternative, yeah.

Big Sean 49:01 Alternative medicine. And, um- This, the other time was when I had heart problems growing up. You know, I had heart palpitations and it got so bad that I couldn't walk from one side of the room to the other side of the room without being short of breath. My heart... Your heart runs on electric currents, and mine was, like, beating like this. Weird, right? Anyway, I passed out in the shower, went to the hospital. They were like, "Man, we're gonna have to put a, uh... We're gonna have to put a..." What's the thing? What is this? The shock-

Jay Shetty 49:31 Uh, uh-

Big Sean 49:32 The-

Jay Shetty 49:32 Pacemaker

Big Sean 49:32 ... pace-

Jay Shetty 49:32 Yeah, pace-

Big Sean 49:33 We're gonna have to put a pacemaker-

Jay Shetty 49:34 Yeah

Big Sean 49:34 ... in your heart, or we can cut half of your heart open, scar it, and the electric currents will run through the scars. Man, I went to this doctor, who's actually my doctor now in Michigan, one of the best doctors in the world, Dr. Brownstein. He gave me magnesium and a couple other things. He was like, "Make sure you take this magnesium." I go back a week later or, like, a week and a half later to get pr- prepped for the surgery that we couldn't afford, and they test my heart and they're like, "Oh my God, your heart's fine." You know, they diagnosed me with a whole disease. They diagnosed me and said my heart... I, I had a diseased heart. And then when I got tested again, they were like, "Oh, your heart's really healthy. You have a r- strong heart." And I couldn't believe how-

Jay Shetty 50:16 How different

Big Sean 50:17 ... I told them, like, all I did was take this. You know, I told them, like, I took the magnesium and they were like, "No, no way. That's, that's impossible." But it's like people gotta open their minds up a little bit more, right?

Jay Shetty 50:29 Yeah.

Big Sean 50:29 And just, I mean, all of us. I've had to open my mind up so much in my life.

Jay Shetty 50:34 Yeah.

Big Sean 50:34 But, um, yeah, those... But yeah.

Jay Shetty 50:37 I love hearing you talk about this stuff.

Big Sean 50:39 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 50:39 I think it's great. I think it's great because I think people would externally just think, "Oh, yeah," be skeptical about this kind of stuff.

Big Sean 50:45 No.

Jay Shetty 50:45 And, and hearing you say it and you having real experience of it, what makes your... Your mom sounds like the most amazing person in the world. Like-

Big Sean 50:51 No, I, I'm not just saying this. You should, like-

Jay Shetty 50:52 Yeah

Big Sean 50:52 ... interview her one day.

Jay Shetty 50:54 Yeah. I'm not-

Big Sean 50:54 Or like, or maybe come over for dinner and talk to her.

Jay Shetty 50:56 She... Yeah, 100%. I'd love to. Like, I'm not even joking. Like, everything you've just said to me, the books your mother introduced you to, the people, like, I'm fascinated by her story.

Big Sean 51:05 Bro, you know, you get, we get lucky, right, with our parents.

Jay Shetty 51:07 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:07 They say that we choose our parents.

Jay Shetty 51:09 Yeah, yeah. For sure.

Big Sean 51:10 It's like-

Jay Shetty 51:10 I believe that

Big Sean 51:10 ... I chose the right one, for sure.

Jay Shetty 51:12 [laughs]

Big Sean 51:12 [laughs] Yeah. My dad is cool, too.

Jay Shetty 51:14 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:14 Let's not get it confused. My mom is amazing.

Jay Shetty 51:17 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:17 My dad is amazing, too, um, in a lot of ways.

Jay Shetty 51:20 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:21 Just not those ways. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 51:22 Yeah. [laughs]

Big Sean 51:23 Yeah, he's, he's the-

Jay Shetty 51:23 Yeah, different strengths.

Big Sean 51:24 Yeah, diff- different strengths.

Jay Shetty 51:25 Different strengths.

Big Sean 51:26 You know?

Jay Shetty 51:26 And dif- different teachers for different lessons.

Big Sean 51:28 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 51:28 Yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 51:29 Yeah, a lot of, a lot of personality traits I picked up from him.

Jay Shetty 51:32 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:32 For sure.

Jay Shetty 51:33 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:33 You know, he, he's somebody who loves first.

Jay Shetty 51:36 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:37 You know? And that's something that you don't get. He's somebody who's open-hearted, uh, and very gentle. You know what I'm saying?

Jay Shetty 51:44 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:44 And he grew up in Monroe, Louisiana, where he had to run for his life and he would get beat up for being Black.

Jay Shetty 51:51 Mm.

Big Sean 51:51 You know? And, you know, he, he's dealt with a lot of pain and trauma, and one of the things that I inspired him to do was go seek therapy. You know?

Jay Shetty 51:59 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 52:00 And that, that was one of the most emotional moments for me because it was like, I know him and my Uncle John, as Black men growing up in Louisiana and all the stuff that they've been through, you know, they've... You know, my dad told me he felt like I, I, I didn't know that... You know, he was like, "I, I didn't talk to you about certain things because I..." You know, guys aren't supposed to talk about certain things. We're not supposed to open up about that, you know?

Jay Shetty 52:24 Yeah.

Big Sean 52:25 As crazy as that sounds, right? 'Cause it's different now.

Jay Shetty 52:27 Totally.

Big Sean 52:27 People are more comfortable talking about mental health now. People are... You know, there are discussions. There are people who will relate, right?

Jay Shetty 52:33 Yep.

Big Sean 52:33 But that really was a stigma. That really was-

Jay Shetty 52:36 100%

Big Sean 52:36 ... something that you couldn't talk about.

Jay Shetty 52:37 100%.

Big Sean 52:38 You know? And it, it, man, it messed him up.

Jay Shetty 52:41 Yeah.

Big Sean 52:42 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 52:42 Yeah.

Big Sean 52:42 He, he, he, he, he's still working on that right now.

Jay Shetty 52:44 Totally. I mean, can you imagine holding it in for that long and not feeling you can share it and being told you're not allowed to feel that as a man? And I mean, there's a lot of toxicity that comes with that.

Big Sean 52:56 Yeah, and getting, and getting beat up.

Jay Shetty 52:58 Yeah, g- I mean, that, yeah.

Big Sean 52:59 You know, he said he would run for his life sometimes, man-

Jay Shetty 53:01 Yeah

Big Sean 53:01 ... like to make it past these train tracks.

Jay Shetty 53:04 That's-

Big Sean 53:04 It's crazy, man

Jay Shetty 53:05 ... that's insane. That's intense.

Big Sean 53:07 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 53:07 But that's something that you... It sounds like from your journey, you're not, you haven't experienced... Like, that's not something that... You've seen that through his experience.

Big Sean 53:15 Yeah, it's all in my blood though, right?

Jay Shetty 53:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 53:17 It's like my grandma's not with me anymore-

Jay Shetty 53:19 Yeah

Big Sean 53:19 ... but she was a female Black captain in World War II. My grand-

Jay Shetty 53:21 That's insane.

Big Sean 53:22 Like, that's in my blood.

Jay Shetty 53:23 Yeah.

Big Sean 53:24 You know, my mom's blood is in me.

Jay Shetty 53:25 It's your journey.

Big Sean 53:25 It's all in me. My grandma, my other grandma had to pick cotton. My dad's mom, she picked cotton for a job, you know? And my granddad's aunt was born a slave. That wasn't that long ago.

Jay Shetty 53:37 Wow.

Big Sean 53:38 My granddad died when I was in the seventh grade. His aunt was born a slave.

Jay Shetty 53:42 Wow.

Big Sean 53:42 So that goes to show you it's not that far removed.

Jay Shetty 53:45 It isn't.

Big Sean 53:46 Right?

Jay Shetty 53:46 Yeah.

Big Sean 53:46 As I have on my, uh-

Jay Shetty 53:48 Yeah

Big Sean 53:48 ... Black and proud shirt. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 53:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 53:50 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 53:50 I love it.

Big Sean 53:51 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 53:51 No, but I love, I love how your experience... Explaining the story of your background and each person-

Big Sean 53:57 Yeah

Jay Shetty 53:57 ... in your history and, and you're spot on that, of course, they made you so-

Big Sean 54:02 Yeah

Jay Shetty 54:03 ... all, all of that is, is part of your story.

Big Sean 54:05 Yeah, just like your parents, you know what I mean?

Jay Shetty 54:07 Yeah.

Big Sean 54:07 It's just like everything.

Jay Shetty 54:09 Yeah, absolutely.

Big Sean 54:09 And you know, your ancestors, like, they are really a part of us.

Jay Shetty 54:13 For sure.

Big Sean 54:13 They really are.

Jay Shetty 54:14 For sure.

Big Sean 54:15 You know? And you gotta... And I had to accept that, that they guided me, and that when things don't work out, it's 'cause they are working out better than I could even imagine.

Jay Shetty 54:24 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 54:25 You know?

Jay Shetty 54:25 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 54:25 When it does- when it doesn't go the way that I planned on it going, whatever it is, it's not that it's not working out, it's that it's working out better than I can even comprehend.

Jay Shetty 54:34 Yeah. If my plans worked out the way I wanted them to work out, my life would be lame compared to-

Big Sean 54:41 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 54:41 ... what it is today. You know? Yeah.

Big Sean 54:42 Yeah, you wouldn't even be you.

Jay Shetty 54:43 No, 100%. I wouldn't at all. Like, I, I think about if my plans worked out the way I wanted them to work out, oh, my life would be nowhere near as good as it is.

Big Sean 54:52 No, no way.

Jay Shetty 54:53 And, and that's the thing that you hold onto, we hold onto our little plans, and we keep chasing them, and we keep-

Big Sean 54:59 Mm

Jay Shetty 54:59 ... thinking that they're the only way. And so when a new opportunity or a new portal comes up-

Big Sean 55:04 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 55:04 ... we're scared of walking through that portal.

Big Sean 55:06 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 55:06 But that portal is-

Big Sean 55:08 I know

Jay Shetty 55:08 ... our, our greatest journey.

Big Sean 55:11 I know.

Jay Shetty 55:11 And, and you've taken it, and now you're sharing it through your music.

Jay Shetty 55:14 I read that Rolling Stone said your latest album was like a self-help book.

Big Sean 55:18 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 55:19 And I was thinking how amazing that- You know, how amazing that your journey and study of so many powerful teachers and books and your own work and your own, uh, growth journey, your own purification, and now you're sharing it through music. Do you feel now that you're at a place where your music is, is allowing you to share all of that even more than ever? Or h- tell us about that journey with music because your purpose is to change people's lives through music.

Big Sean 55:45 Yeah. My purpose is, is to inspire, you know, through anything I do.

Jay Shetty 55:49 Yeah.

Big Sean 55:50 So whether it's music or a book, right, which I haven't written yet but-

Jay Shetty 55:54 Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's coming

Big Sean 55:55 ... you know, been thinking about it. Uh-

Jay Shetty 55:57 You have to

Big Sean 55:58 ... yeah, it's, uh, it's something that I wanted to just look back on my life and be like, I did all I could in the moment when people not just like me but just people, whoever needed it m- you know, at least I said it 'cause it's a, it's a lot of music out there.

Jay Shetty 56:19 Yeah.

Big Sean 56:19 It is a lot of music out there. There's a lot of music that sounds the same out there. There's a lot of music that sounds different, too.

Jay Shetty 56:24 Yeah.

Big Sean 56:24 'Cause it's just tons and tons and tons of music. So I had to represent my mindset at least-

Jay Shetty 56:32 Yeah

Big Sean 56:32 ... at, at that point in my life. And I try and do that with all my albums, but on top of that, I don't wanna sound like I'm preaching. I don't wanna sound like-

Jay Shetty 56:39 Yeah. True

Big Sean 56:40 ... I'm talking down or, you know, I wanna sound like I'm talking to someone. So I do have records that are fun.

Jay Shetty 56:45 Yeah.

Big Sean 56:46 You know, because I am, uh, you know, I am not... Nobody's perfect. You know what I mean? [laughs]

Jay Shetty 56:54 Me included. Yeah, me included.

Big Sean 56:55 No-

Jay Shetty 56:55 All of us. None of us. Yeah.

Big Sean 56:56 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 56:57 Absolutely.

Big Sean 56:57 So I, I, you know, I, you know, I, I... One of the things that I realized is that, okay, I gotta make sure I have the balance of having fun in my music.

Jay Shetty 57:05 Yeah.

Big Sean 57:06 You know? And-

Jay Shetty 57:06 Yeah

Big Sean 57:06 ... my next album won't sound like my last one, and the one before that doesn't sound like, you know-

Jay Shetty 57:12 Yeah

Big Sean 57:12 ... the next one. You know? It's just, it's always changing up. So that's the... It's like a picture, right? It's like you can, you can like... Okay, this one I'm gonna really-

Jay Shetty 57:20 [laughs]

Big Sean 57:21 ... paint what I'm going through right now. This one I'm just gonna completely talk about last night when I got drunk. You know what I mean?

Jay Shetty 57:27 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Big Sean 57:27 It's like, it's just, it comes from all different inspirations.

Jay Shetty 57:31 I, I love that. Yeah. It was... I, I found that even... And you're reading Think Like a Monk right now, but when I was writing that, I wanted to share my weakest points as a monk.

Big Sean 57:40 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 57:41 So I don't... There's not many examples in there where I share the best days.

Big Sean 57:45 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 57:45 I share all my worst days.

Big Sean 57:46 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 57:46 I share my worst meditation. I share my biggest criticism that I had of people around me.

Big Sean 57:52 Mm.

Jay Shetty 57:52 I share my worst, uh, train journey, my w- like, in the book, I was like, I wanna share the worst days.

Big Sean 57:59 Wow.

Jay Shetty 58:00 Because the eas- the big days are the easy days to share when, like, I felt enlightened and I, you know, when I had a moment. Like, those are easy to share.

Big Sean 58:08 Right.

Jay Shetty 58:08 But to share like, you know what? I used to wake up, and I hated waking up at 4:00 AM. Like, to share that felt like the right thing to share because of what you're saying. We all have bad days. None of us are perfect and have it all figured out, and-

Big Sean 58:20 People relate to that, right?

Jay Shetty 58:21 Yeah. And also you r- like, I feel like that was, that's just the truth that we need to hear.

Big Sean 58:29 Mm.

Jay Shetty 58:30 Because like, I was speaking to a friend yesterday, and he was saying, "You know, I feel scared about my future and my financial future," and this and that and whatever it was. And I was like, "Dude, I, I, I relate." Like, everyone feels like that.

Big Sean 58:43 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 58:43 Like, there's, there's no one who... And as soon as you hear that, you go, "Oh, okay. It's okay." When you hear that someone else feels that way, I know when people are gonna listen to this, they're gonna go, "Big Sean felt nervous rapping?"

Big Sean 58:54 Yeah. Of course.

Jay Shetty 58:54 Like, when, when you hear that, that's g- "Oh, okay. It's okay to feel nervous and still do something."

Big Sean 59:00 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 59:00 I think a lot of people feel they have to feel confident to do something-

Big Sean 59:04 Yeah

Jay Shetty 59:04 ... when actually most of us do things when we're nervous.

Big Sean 59:08 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 59:09 You know?

Big Sean 59:09 And you know, bro-

Jay Shetty 59:10 Yeah

Big Sean 59:10 ... I wake up still totally messed up sometimes.

Jay Shetty 59:13 Yeah.

Big Sean 59:13 I feel there are times where, you know, I do feel very, like, down and depressed. My vibration is low, but I'm able to a- approach it and react to it differently.

Jay Shetty 59:25 Yeah.

Big Sean 59:25 And I'm able to not let it stick on me.

Jay Shetty 59:27 Yeah.

Big Sean 59:27 You know, one of the things that meditation does for me, it's like, it's like when you work out or, like, do something like go on a hike or something and you take that shower-

Jay Shetty 59:36 Yeah

Big Sean 59:37 ... and you just, like, are clean.

Jay Shetty 59:39 Yes.

Big Sean 59:39 That's what meditation does for me. It cl- it energetically literally just cleans me.

Jay Shetty 59:44 It's a-

Big Sean 59:44 And I feel like I'm ready. It's like having a full charged phone.

Jay Shetty 59:50 Yes.

Big Sean 59:50 It's like I'm ready for everything now. I'm charged up.

Jay Shetty 59:53 Yeah.

Big Sean 59:53 And, uh-

Jay Shetty 59:53 It's bathing your soul.

Big Sean 59:55 Yeah. And people have a lot of misconceptions about meditation.

Jay Shetty 1:00:00 Mm.

Big Sean 1:00:00 You know?

Jay Shetty 1:00:01 Mm.

Big Sean 1:00:03 You have to understand that there's no wrong way to meditate.

Jay Shetty 1:00:06 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:00:07 There's no wrong way. It's not wrong. Even if your mind races and you get better at bringing it back to your center, if you get better on focusing on your breathing, right, you don't... You can't do it and think you're doing it wrong-

Jay Shetty 1:00:18 Mm

Big Sean 1:00:18 ... because there is no wrong way to do it.

Jay Shetty 1:00:21 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:00:21 You're gonna get into a groove the more you do it that works for you because it's for you. It's not for everyone else. This isn't, like, something you get graded. It's not like a math test. Meditation is a personal, um, you know, uh, moment that you share with yourself, you know, and that brings you in the moment. And your mind does race, right? You think about things. You may visualize things, and but you come back to the moment. So meditation for me, that's what it is.

Jay Shetty 1:00:53 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:00:53 You know?

Jay Shetty 1:00:54 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:00:54 And that's, that's one of the mis- biggest misconceptions. When I go to these studios, I'm talking to, like, you know, any- I could be talking to Lil Wayne. I could be talking to, like... I've definitely been in studio sessions with people like, like my brother Wayne and being like, "Man," like, "so you taking any vitamins?" Or like, "What's the..." You know? And I'm not even playing, like, you know? And, and, you know, they look at me crazy sometimes, but it's just like, I do care. I love that. I love that guy.

Jay Shetty 1:01:18 Yeah. Yeah.

Big Sean 1:01:19 You know, I love my brothers. I love with Hit- I'm in the studio with Hit-Boy, who's one of the greatest producers, right? And- Um, I mean, you know, I'm telling... He's like, "Yo, Help put me on." Like-

Jay Shetty 1:01:30 Yeah

Big Sean 1:01:30 ... you know, I be telling him what I'm doing. He's like, "Yo, I wanna get into that." Like, and there's no wrong way of doing it. I just wanna put that out there.

Jay Shetty 1:01:38 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:01:38 There's no wrong way of doing it.

Jay Shetty 1:01:40 I love, I love that you're an ambassador for meditation. It's, it's awesome seeing you talk about it in such a genuine way, and I love what you just said, that meditation is not a math test. I mean, that is the problem with the, the conditioning-

Big Sean 1:01:54 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:01:54 ... that everything's a test. Everything's right or wrong.

Big Sean 1:01:57 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:01:57 Everything's, you know... And, and-

Big Sean 1:01:59 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:01:59 ... you're so right that you just have to let go of that. When I'm sharing meditation with people, often I find that, especially if they're musicians, it's like they, they wanna get the music right or the sound right.

Big Sean 1:02:08 Right.

Jay Shetty 1:02:08 But it's free of that. Like, meditation is... I, I mean, I'm tone deaf, and, uh, you know-

Big Sean 1:02:13 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:02:14 ... and I can't sing to save my life.

Big Sean 1:02:15 Right.

Jay Shetty 1:02:16 I love music, but I can't sing to save my life. But it's... Meditation's beyond that. Like, it's beyond the, the mental, verbal capacities that we have. But, uh-

Big Sean 1:02:25 It is, and that's, that's one of the things I do, uh, write stuff down.

Jay Shetty 1:02:30 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:02:30 W-

Big Sean 1:02:30 And since 2019, though, I've also been like, let me do one thing every year that's gonna change my life.

Jay Shetty 1:02:37 Ooh.

Big Sean 1:02:38 You know how people be having, like, a New Year's resolution?

Jay Shetty 1:02:40 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:02:40 So, um, in 2018, that's when I started really taking better care of myself, right? So I was like, 2019, my number one goal is to take care of my temple, take care of my body.

Jay Shetty 1:02:52 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:02:53 Take care of my mind, body, 'cause it's connected, right?

Jay Shetty 1:02:56 Absolutely.

Big Sean 1:02:56 So I was like, I'ma work out, and I transformed my body 2019.

Jay Shetty 1:03:01 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:03:01 2020... And, and by the way, I keep these, I keep these w- one in- introduction of something new every year. I keep that in my, um, you know, my daily practice.

Jay Shetty 1:03:13 Yes.

Big Sean 1:03:13 Or like, it's, it's a habit at that point. I create these new habits. New habits. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:03:18 [laughs] Yeah.

Big Sean 1:03:19 And for 2020, it was like, okay, I want to put all these things into this album.

Jay Shetty 1:03:25 Mm.

Big Sean 1:03:25 That was my number one priority.

Jay Shetty 1:03:27 Wow.

Big Sean 1:03:27 Like, I wanna create something for people who really need this right now.

Jay Shetty 1:03:30 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:03:30 Right?

Jay Shetty 1:03:31 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:03:31 And while doing all the things I, that I kept from 2019, 2021, I've been taking voice lessons.

Jay Shetty 1:03:38 Wow.

Big Sean 1:03:38 So I've been taking voice lessons with my vocal coach, Peter, and because I realized that not only do... First of all, I listened to my old music, and my voice has changed so much.

Jay Shetty 1:03:50 Wow.

Big Sean 1:03:51 And I'm like, okay, my voice has been getting stronger, right? So I'm gonna strengthen my voice because I can harmonize. I can sing, not for real-

Jay Shetty 1:03:58 Yeah

Big Sean 1:03:58 ... but-

Jay Shetty 1:03:59 Yeah

Big Sean 1:03:59 ... I do feel like I have a voice that's hidden in me a little bit, right?

Jay Shetty 1:04:02 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:04:02 To not only sing, but when I strengthen my voice, I also feel like it strengthens my voice figuratively.

Jay Shetty 1:04:08 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:04:09 And even... So I started that in January this year, and it's been helping me a lot. It's just been strengthening a lot of other things because really, your voice, this is a sha- this chakra right here-

Jay Shetty 1:04:24 For sure

Big Sean 1:04:24 ... has been getting strengthened, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:04:26 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:04:26 And this chakra, um, which is your-

Jay Shetty 1:04:31 Solar

Big Sean 1:04:31 ... you know, your solar plexus, and, uh, it's just been strengthening here for me.

Jay Shetty 1:04:35 Mm.

Big Sean 1:04:36 You know? And meditation really strengthens here for me, and it also strengthens my roots-

Jay Shetty 1:04:43 Yeah

Big Sean 1:04:43 ... you know, my root chakra.

Jay Shetty 1:04:44 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:04:45 Uh, my third eye chakra, my crown chakra, you know-

Jay Shetty 1:04:49 Yeah

Big Sean 1:04:49 ... a lot of that, but I, I needed work on my throat chakra.

Jay Shetty 1:04:54 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:04:54 You know? My heart chakra, you know, that's another thing that I've had to work on. So that's, uh, you know-

Jay Shetty 1:05:00 [laughs]

Big Sean 1:05:00 ... that's just one of the things I'm doing.

Jay Shetty 1:05:01 I love it, man.

Big Sean 1:05:02 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:05:02 I've, I've, I'm feeling, uh... First of all, I'm feeling very grateful and humbled for the generous time you've given me today.

Big Sean 1:05:08 Yeah, it's been, it's been-

Jay Shetty 1:05:09 I'm feeling-

Big Sean 1:05:09 I've been having fun

Jay Shetty 1:05:10 ... I'm feeling, uh, I'm feeling totally, uh... I, I've learned so much, and I feel so inspired just sitting here listening to you speak and, and hearing about your journey in detail.

Big Sean 1:05:19 Stop, man. You-

Jay Shetty 1:05:19 I mean it

Big Sean 1:05:19 ... wow.

Jay Shetty 1:05:20 I'm, I'm being honest. I'm being honest. I ge- I genuinely do, and Homer knows I don't say that all the time.

Big Sean 1:05:24 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:05:25 So, uh, you know, he, he can vouch for me for that.

Big Sean 1:05:28 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:05:28 Uh, but I mean that because I, I can see how much genuineness and how real this journey is for you, and hearing about your mother has blown my mind because I'm thinking, "Wow, what a, what a mother," you know? To have that-

Big Sean 1:05:40 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:05:40 ... uh, poss-

Big Sean 1:05:40 She's, she's, she's amazing

Jay Shetty 1:05:42 ... yeah.

Big Sean 1:05:42 She's amazing, man.

Jay Shetty 1:05:42 It's really beautiful and special.

Jay Shetty 1:05:44 But, uh, we, we end every one of these episodes with a fast five.

Big Sean 1:05:49 Okay.

Jay Shetty 1:05:49 You may have seen Jeneé do this.

Big Sean 1:05:50 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 1:05:51 Uh, so this is final five questions where you have to answer it, uh, with one word to one sentence maximum.

Big Sean 1:05:58 Got you.

Jay Shetty 1:05:59 So it's, it's tight, and-

Big Sean 1:06:00 It's tight

Jay Shetty 1:06:01 ... you're, you're dropping the bars already, so it's-

Big Sean 1:06:02 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:06:03 ... it's, it's easy. It's easy for you. All right.

Big Sean 1:06:05 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:06:05 So the first question for you is, uh, what's the best advice you've ever received? It can be a sentence, of course.

Big Sean 1:06:13 Experience.

Jay Shetty 1:06:14 Mm.

Big Sean 1:06:15 It's the best advice I've ever received is experience.

Jay Shetty 1:06:18 That's a great answer. We never had that before. I love that. Okay. What's the worst advice you've ever received?

Big Sean 1:06:25 You know what? You know what, Jay?

Jay Shetty 1:06:27 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:06:27 It's like I block it out.

Jay Shetty 1:06:29 Yeah, you don't even remember it. [laughs]

Big Sean 1:06:30 I don't hold onto it.

Jay Shetty 1:06:31 Yeah. You don't even remember-

Big Sean 1:06:32 You know, I've gotten terrible advice my, so many times. I, I can't even remember what it was.

Jay Shetty 1:06:36 But you can't even remember. I love that. That's a great answer, man.

Big Sean 1:06:38 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:06:38 We're good with that. We're good with that.

Big Sean 1:06:39 Okay.

Jay Shetty 1:06:40 Question number three, uh, what's something that you know to be true but you feel other people might disagree with you on, or they're not there, like they don't fully get it yet? What's something that you're so sure about but other people would not really get it?

Big Sean 1:06:54 [sighs] [laughs] I can make a list.

Jay Shetty 1:07:02 [laughs]

Big Sean 1:07:03 Meditation.

Jay Shetty 1:07:04 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:07:05 Um-

Jay Shetty 1:07:06 You mentioned past life before

Big Sean 1:07:07 ... ancestors.

Jay Shetty 1:07:08 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:07:10 Uh, guiding you.

Jay Shetty 1:07:11 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:07:11 Past life. Uh, blocks. Removing blocks. Uh-

Jay Shetty 1:07:21 That's a lot. [laughs]

Big Sean 1:07:22 Yeah, that's a lot.

Jay Shetty 1:07:22 That's good.

Big Sean 1:07:23 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:07:24 Yeah. Uh, question number four, what's the biggest lesson you learned in the last 12 months?

Big Sean 1:07:29 The biggest lesson I learned in the last 12 months.

Jay Shetty 1:07:32 Mm-hmm

Big Sean 1:07:36 You can't kill your ego

Jay Shetty 1:07:38 T- tell me more about that. That's something we should talk about

Big Sean 1:07:42 People always talk about ego death and you can't kill it. Why would you want to kill a part of yourself anyway?

Jay Shetty 1:07:50 Mm.

Big Sean 1:07:51 You have to just know how to work with it and how to treat it.

Jay Shetty 1:07:55 Mm.

Big Sean 1:07:56 You know, people always say your ego is the most childish part of you. But then I also hear that children are the most spiritual beings because they have no, uh, restrictions that have been set on their narrative, just purely right from the source, right?

Jay Shetty 1:08:13 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:08:15 So there has to be a connection between the two, and I think your ego is a unfiltered, um, part of you that's easily affected and very emotional-

Jay Shetty 1:08:27 Mm

Big Sean 1:08:27 ... very sensitive, and it's something you should embrace-

Jay Shetty 1:08:32 Yeah

Big Sean 1:08:33 ... instead of trying to get rid of it, lock it in a room.

Jay Shetty 1:08:37 Mm.

Big Sean 1:08:38 You embrace it and recognize it for what it is. And when you do, and when you nurture it in that way, I think it won't be as, a dramatic of a outlash-

Jay Shetty 1:08:49 Mm

Big Sean 1:08:50 ... and as damaging to you. If that makes any sense.

Jay Shetty 1:08:53 That makes sense to me.

Big Sean 1:08:54 So-

Jay Shetty 1:08:54 Sometimes... Well, when I was listening to you, what I was thinking about was sometimes your ego just needs a big hug, like, like when you just embrace it, like-

Big Sean 1:09:01 That's what I'm saying. Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:09:01 ... you know, and I don't feel ego from you today, you know, from the moment you walked in to meeting my team, and, you know, it's like you don't, I don't feel a sense of arrogance or bravado in your presence at all-

Big Sean 1:09:10 Thank you

Jay Shetty 1:09:11 ... which, which just shows that you've just embraced it. You, you know, you, you get it there-

Big Sean 1:09:15 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:09:15 ... and, and, and I like that. W- that's what came to my mind when you were speaking, and also when you talking about children, I was thinking, you know, we- we want to become more childlike and not childish, and I think that's the, you know, what you were saying there, like-

Big Sean 1:09:29 Mm. Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:09:29 ... being childlike is great. Like, childlike is like fresh, new, but being childish is like tantrums and, you know, being, you know, just a-

Big Sean 1:09:37 Yeah. Being childlike is, like, not putting any ceilings on yourself, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:09:41 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:09:42 One, like, one of the things that we do as grown-ups is like, "Oh, that sounds a little crazy" or that-

Jay Shetty 1:09:46 Yeah. That-

Big Sean 1:09:46 When you're a kid, you're like, "Man, I want to be an astronaut."

Jay Shetty 1:09:48 Yeah. "I'm gonna climb that tree. I'm gonna..."

Big Sean 1:09:50 "I'm about to..."

Jay Shetty 1:09:50 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:09:50 "I want to do this, you know-

Jay Shetty 1:09:51 Yeah

Big Sean 1:09:51 ... I want to be..." And it's like they do it-

Jay Shetty 1:09:54 Yeah

Big Sean 1:09:54 ... uh, to as mu- to their capacity, but that's something we lose when we grow up. So-

Jay Shetty 1:09:59 Mm

Big Sean 1:10:00 ... um, yeah, I love that, childish versus childlike.

Jay Shetty 1:10:04 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:10:05 You know, and that's the same as being selfish and self-care.

Jay Shetty 1:10:09 Yes.

Big Sean 1:10:10 And I used to get those confused.

Jay Shetty 1:10:11 Mm.

Big Sean 1:10:12 You know, and that's one of the reasons why I felt like I probably stayed so... I burnt myself out as far as, like, trying to do too much is because I thought that it was selfish of me to be like, "Oh, I need to take time for myself."

Jay Shetty 1:10:25 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:10:25 You know, uh, instead of doing this work I need to do, I'm gonna get a massage tonight. I thought that was selfish of me, but that's not selfish. That's self-care. That's self-love.

Jay Shetty 1:10:34 Mm. Mm.

Big Sean 1:10:34 And you gotta know the difference between the two.

Jay Shetty 1:10:37 Absolutely.

Big Sean 1:10:37 You know, selfish is when it affects, um, the people you love or people around you or certain people, um, in a negative way, right?

Jay Shetty 1:10:47 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:10:47 Uh, you're doing something for a wrong reason, but when you're just taking care of yourself to, to do, to be better for those people-

Jay Shetty 1:10:55 Yeah

Big Sean 1:10:56 ... then that's, that's self-care.

Jay Shetty 1:10:57 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:10:58 Self-love.

Jay Shetty 1:10:58 I love that. That's such a great definition, and I, I just hope everyone who's listening and watching to this, I hope you're taking notes because that differentiation can actually change your life. Because when you give up your self-care in the short term to think you're being selfless-

Big Sean 1:11:13 Ooh

Jay Shetty 1:11:13 ... then in the long term you end up having to be selfish because it pushes you back that way. So-

Big Sean 1:11:19 Yes

Jay Shetty 1:11:19 ... you're, you're spot on that we have to... A- and I, I can relate to that so much because there was a time in my life where I was just extending myself to others.

Big Sean 1:11:27 Mm.

Jay Shetty 1:11:27 And I used to think that getting a massage-

Big Sean 1:11:30 Right

Jay Shetty 1:11:30 ... eat, eating well, eating on time-

Big Sean 1:11:32 Right

Jay Shetty 1:11:32 ... all of that stuff was bad, and now it's like I realize, well, I can't give myself or I'm giving people the worst leftovers of myself-

Big Sean 1:11:41 Right

Jay Shetty 1:11:41 ... when I haven't taken care of myself. I don't want to give the people I love my leftovers, but that's what I'm giving them because-

Big Sean 1:11:47 Right

Jay Shetty 1:11:47 ... I've drained myself.

Big Sean 1:11:49 Yes, man.

Jay Shetty 1:11:49 So I, I love that differentiation.

Big Sean 1:11:51 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:11:51 All right, fifth and final question.

Big Sean 1:11:53 Okay, yeah. I forgot we were doing questions. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:11:54 No, that's cool. That's cool. Yeah, no, I want to... I asked you. I asked you.

Big Sean 1:11:57 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 1:11:57 You were following the rules, but I was like, when you said that we have to kill our ego, I was like, "Oh, okay, I want to know."

Big Sean 1:12:02 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:12:02 So that was good. It was good.

Big Sean 1:12:03 Right. Right.

Jay Shetty 1:12:04 Uh, fifth and final question is if you could create a law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

Big Sean 1:12:11 To not judge. Um-

Jay Shetty 1:12:14 S- yeah

Big Sean 1:12:15 ... not to judge because, uh, here's the difference. Everyone has an opinion, right?

Jay Shetty 1:12:22 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:12:23 And that's fine.

Jay Shetty 1:12:25 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:12:25 You know, and I remember just going to church and, you know, people being like, "Only God can judge you," right?

Jay Shetty 1:12:31 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:12:32 But we are all humans, and when we judge each other, uh, it, it brings us down, man.

Jay Shetty 1:12:39 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:12:39 It traps us, right? It's like... And what you put out there is just gonna come right back to you.

Jay Shetty 1:12:44 Absolutely.

Big Sean 1:12:45 You know? It's like a double-edged sword. So you're judging somebody like, "You messed up. You wrong."

Jay Shetty 1:12:50 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:12:50 "This is not good."

Jay Shetty 1:12:51 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:12:51 "What you, what are you doing? Like, this is not good." But that's coming right back to you. Whether you know it or not, and it could be different ways, right? But to me, you can have a, an opinion, right? And that, that's a s- that's a thin line too between an opinion and judging.

Jay Shetty 1:13:05 Mm.

Big Sean 1:13:06 But... And, uh, uh, judging is when, is when you go out your way to, to make somebody feel a certain way, right?

Jay Shetty 1:13:13 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:13:13 And that's something that's become so accustomed to our society is we judge each other when really I don't even know if we have the right to judge each other.

Jay Shetty 1:13:20 Totally.

Big Sean 1:13:20 You know, we're all made in the image of God, right?

Jay Shetty 1:13:24 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:13:25 And, uh, I don't know if, uh, judging each other is productive necessarily.

Jay Shetty 1:13:32 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:13:32 You know, I just don't think it's productive. I think that it's time-

Jay Shetty 1:13:35 I'm with you

Big Sean 1:13:35 ... that you could have spent on something else, and if you don't like something that's different- You don't have to comment on it. You don't have to judge it.

Jay Shetty 1:13:41 Oh.

Big Sean 1:13:41 You can just be like, "Cool," like-

Jay Shetty 1:13:42 Yeah

Big Sean 1:13:43 ... you know? And-

Jay Shetty 1:13:44 Let it go

Big Sean 1:13:44 ... and put the energy on something you like. You know, let it go or... I think when you bring somebody down, though, you- you're bringing them down, but you can't bring anything down without going down yourself. It doesn't even make any sense.

Jay Shetty 1:13:56 Absolutely.

Big Sean 1:13:57 You know?

Jay Shetty 1:13:57 Absolutely. Everyone, Big Sean. Sean-

Big Sean 1:13:59 Yeah, yeah

Jay Shetty 1:13:59 ... thank you for doing this, man.

Big Sean 1:14:01 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:14:01 You, uh-

Big Sean 1:14:01 I can't wait to come back

Jay Shetty 1:14:02 ... you showed up.

Big Sean 1:14:02 We gotta do, like, a part two, like-

Jay Shetty 1:14:03 I know. I mean, I can carry on talking-

Big Sean 1:14:05 No, no, no, no, no

Jay Shetty 1:14:05 ... but, uh, yeah, yeah. I was like-

Big Sean 1:14:06 We can save it for another time-

Jay Shetty 1:14:07 W- yeah

Big Sean 1:14:07 ... if you like.

Big Sean 1:14:08 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:14:08 Yeah, no, this has been amazing, man. Like, just hearing you share your heart and your, uh, genuine purpose with us today, like, I've loved every bit of it. It's been so inspiring to me.

Big Sean 1:14:19 Thank you, man.

Jay Shetty 1:14:20 And, uh-

Big Sean 1:14:20 I loved it, too, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:14:21 And I've learned so much. And I've got-

Big Sean 1:14:24 Wow.

Jay Shetty 1:14:24 I, I mean that. I mean that from the bottom of my heart, and I recommend that everyone goes and listens to this again and, and takes notes, write stuff down, because there are so many gems in what you shared, uh, that can be truly powerful for people at different stages of their life, because you just walked us through the hero's journey.

Big Sean 1:14:41 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:14:41 And, and your journey, of course, still continues, as you know.

Big Sean 1:14:44 Of course.

Jay Shetty 1:14:45 But there's so many parts of that. And, uh, I wanna, I wanna ask you, though, is there something you wanted to share today that you feel I haven't let you share, or that you haven't had an opportunity to get through? Because I wanna get there. I don't wanna pre- prematurely, you know, give up, so.

Big Sean 1:15:00 No, uh-

Jay Shetty 1:15:01 If there's something on your mind that you're like, "Oh, I feel like I need to share this with people."

Big Sean 1:15:05 Well, I do wanna just share that I go through terrible days. I go through dark moments. I go through great days. I have great moments. And, you know, it's not like I've figured life out. Uh, you know, I, I don't think anyone on this earth has ever figured life out all the way.

Jay Shetty 1:15:23 Agreed.

Big Sean 1:15:24 And I don't think it's for us to f- to figure out. You know? I've... Maybe there are other purposes for it, but I just wanted to put that out there and say that, you know, you're not alone. Like, whoever, you know, whoever needs to hear that, like, you're just, you're not alone. You know, obviously Jay Shetty got you. I got... Like, we're all in this together.

Jay Shetty 1:15:47 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:15:47 And, uh, you know, I just wanna, I just wanna end on that and just say that thank, thank you guys for listening. You know, to anybody who needed to hear this, like, I needed to hear it myself. You know, everything I said is because I-

Jay Shetty 1:16:02 Mm

Big Sean 1:16:02 ... it was on my heart that it needed to be expressed for you and for myself-

Jay Shetty 1:16:06 Mm

Big Sean 1:16:06 ... and for, for whatever other reason, so thank you.

Jay Shetty 1:16:09 That is a beautiful note to end on. And, and 1000% I'm in for a part two.

Big Sean 1:16:13 Yeah, gotta do a part two.

Jay Shetty 1:16:14 But there's... Yeah, I'm, I'm all in for a part two.

Big Sean 1:16:16 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:16:16 I could, I could talk to you for, like, two, three hours, and I could listen to that voice.

Big Sean 1:16:19 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:16:19 I could listen to that voice for hours, so.

Big Sean 1:16:21 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:16:22 You know, it's like, it's, uh... But honestly, like, what you just said is, is so perfect and exactly what we all need to hear. And I, I don't think you shared your story with any sort of perfection or, um-

Big Sean 1:16:36 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:16:36 ... with any projection of you having it figured out. I could hear that-

Big Sean 1:16:40 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:16:40 ... sincere seeker inside of you in, in every step, so.

Big Sean 1:16:43 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:16:43 I, I think you shared it beautifully, man. Thank you so much.

Big Sean 1:16:45 Nah, thank you. Thanks for having me, man.

Jay Shetty 1:16:47 Yeah. Thank you, man. This was beautiful. This was amazing.

Big Sean 1:16:50 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:16:50 I loved it.

Big Sean 1:16:50 It was.

Jay Shetty 1:16:51 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:16:51 It was.

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