Big Sean's Manifestation Mantra: Why You Need to Stop Chasing and Start Attracting

Big Sean 0:00 Every day I wake up, I'm one day closer to death, so what you gonna do with the time you got left?

Speaker 0:05 Six-time Grammy nominee. Big Sean. Way up I feel blessed.

Big Sean 0:10 One of the biggest blessings is going through a time where you are feeling at your lowest or depressed or whatever the feeling is, because that is just confirmation that you're not in alignment and that you're meant for something different, something greater.

Jay Shetty 0:24 What's the difference between attracting energy and chasing energy?

Big Sean 0:28 Oh, boy. [upbeat music]

Speaker 0:32 The number one health and wellness podcast. Jay Shetty. Jay Shetty. The one, the only Jay Shetty. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 0:40 Please welcome my dear friend, someone that I believe is so inspiring, deeply insightful, philosophical-

Big Sean 0:47 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 0:47 ... a guide, a teacher, a leader, Big Sean.

Big Sean 0:50 Man, brother, thank you for having me. You know-

Jay Shetty 0:53 Of course, man

Big Sean 0:53 ... first of all, I just gotta say, Jay, though, I'm so proud of you, man. Even, even since our first interview, like of course you did, you sparked the idea of me writing a book, but n- I'm not making it about me. Bro, you've interviewed the president, man. You've inter- like the... You have gone to the moon and back. There was a part of the book where I said like the mental health space and, you know, like that, that space is dominated by a certain crowd. Bro, you are dominating this space, and I just gotta say, it's, it's deeper than that. It's wellness. It's all of it, and I just gotta say I'm super proud of you, man. Like very, very proud of you. I know like where you come from. I know your journey. I know how you grew up. You know, I know the household you came from, and I just gotta say, man, I'm very proud of you, and I see, I see like so much for you. And you're still so young and you're still so, have so much to offer, so thank you so much, man.

Jay Shetty 1:50 Oh, man, the feeling, feeling is mutual, and honestly, it was people like yourself who came on the show so early-

Big Sean 1:58 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:58 ... and trusted the space, opened up, and made it a safe space for so many that followed you as well. And so I have to give you a lot of credit back, because you came on the show when it was so much smaller. We were starting out.

Big Sean 2:10 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 2:10 But it was people like yourself who, who trusted me, trusted the space, and I'm so proud of you for putting this book together because, you know, you've manifested success.

Big Sean 2:21 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 2:22 And when I spend time with you today and I see you with Janay and I see you talking about Noah-

Big Sean 2:26 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 2:27 ... I also feel you've manifested happiness.

Big Sean 2:29 Mm-hmm. Wow.

Jay Shetty 2:30 And I think those two things are very different. And so I wanted to ask you, what's been different about manifesting success-

Big Sean 2:37 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 2:37 ... career, profession-

Big Sean 2:39 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 2:40 ... and then manifesting happiness?

Big Sean 2:42 One of the things about success is you have to define what your idea of success is, you know? I don't think if like, say somebody had a billion dollars, I wouldn't say that he's more successful than me. I would just say he has more money than me, and I think that's the power of separation. Uh, we tie so many things into definition, right? Success to me is a feeling of, it's an emotion. It's something that when your purpose is activated and you are impacting people in any way, shape, or form, there's so many ways to impact people, right? Now, there are byproducts of success, like money can be a byproduct of success. You know, when you do something and it, you create a supply and demand, you get paid for it. But I don't think because you make money that you're successful. You know what I'm saying? And I don't think, you know, there's a lot of things that you could tie to that, just like I don't think just because if your life isn't going the way you are, that doesn't mean that you let that make you unhappy. Those are two separate things. It's really the power of separation. So for me, success is a feeling, and it's when my purpose is activated. So I remember I did an interview and they asked, you know, successful, talking about success, and I said, "Well, I'm not the most successful person in the world." Then I was like, "Well, maybe I am, actually-

Jay Shetty 4:00 [laughs]

Big Sean 4:01 ... because I love so many aspects of my life and I'm

Big Sean 4:05 living in the, the life that I've always dreamed of, you know, uh, times 10." I, I only wanted to have a song on the radio and like a platinum song, and bro, I've sold 185 million records or something crazy. I've like taken care of my mom, my dad, a lot of people, and s- lived 10 lifetimes already. So everything has just been sprinkles on top. So to me, success is really activating your purpose, and happiness is something that you can choose instantly. Your happiness is something that you could choose instantly, and it's something that I learned the hard way. Because when I have fallen into like a dark time, you know, we all go through these ups and downs. When I've been down bad and like the depression comes in, the anxiety comes in, the self-sabotage comes in, and you can hold onto these things and they will, they, they will stick with you your whole life. You have to decide to let them go, and I, and that's one of the things I talk about in the book. A lot of people don't, may not know how to do that, and there are a lot of ways. But one of the first ways is to choose how you feel. You're in control of that, and it's easier said than done because when things aren't going your way, you're pissed off at everybody. You're like blaming everything. Well, first of all, you have to quit blaming everything else and realize that you're a magnet. You're magnetizing your whole world to you, you know? So if that's the case, obviously you switch it to an emotion that resonates with you more of how, at least how you desire to feel, right? And you can choose that, and I'm telling you, your whole experience will change. So happiness is something you can choose immediately.

Jay Shetty 5:48 Yeah. One thing that stood out to me listening to you was the power of separation.

Big Sean 5:53 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 5:53 I've never heard it like that before.

Big Sean 5:55 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 5:56 And I really like that term because we have to learn to separate society's views and our views. We have to learn to separate, as you said- ... our definition of success and other people's definition of success

Big Sean 6:08 And separate what you control and what you can't control

Jay Shetty 6:12 And how, so how do we develop the power of separation? What, what does it take to cultivate that within ourself to have that ability? Because I feel most of us don't practice the power of separation.

Big Sean 6:24 It's being, it's just the recognition to me. One of the biggest blessings in your life is growing pains. One of the biggest blessings

Big Sean 6:36 is going through a time where you are feeling at your lowest or depressed or whatever the feeling is, because that is just confirmation that you're not in alignment and that you're meant for something different or you're meant for something more, something greater. You know, if you were satisfied with where you're at, then that just is what it is and, you know, you probably wouldn't even be depressed. But because you are, because you feel a certain way or like you're not all the way there, that is just confirmation that you are truly, truly meant for more or something different. So to me, I think that when you recognize, uh, okay, you know, once you start recognizing things of that nature, you can say, "Okay, what's the first step of getting out of this?" And so that's part of the book. I say, you know, accepting where you are. That doesn't mean you have to, like, you have to, like, stay there. That just means accepting the blessings and all the things that come along with where you are to open up space for more, and you're letting go of all the baggage that is, is holding and weighing you down. I used to be like that. I used to be like, when things don't go my way, I'm terrible. Oh, this doesn't happen the way I wanted it to or the way I saw it. You know, my whole mood is shot, right? And I'm not, not to say that things don't affect me when they don't go my way, but I have the armor on now. I know how to deal with it. I know how to get over it and get back to it.

Jay Shetty 7:58 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 7:59 That's how a lot of my heroes deal with things, too. You know, when you think of, like, uh, Denzel Washington.

Jay Shetty 8:06 [laughs]

Big Sean 8:06 Like, say he has a, a new movie out. Say the movie does amazing and it's incredible and he wins a Oscar. Say the movie comes out and it bombs or it doesn't do as well. He, he's not gonna give up and quit. It's not gonna ruin his life. He's gonna move on to the next thing and sep- and, and use that to the power of separation in me, you know. That's a real thing.

Jay Shetty 8:25 Yeah. I, you reminded me of ... I love Denzel, too, so [laughs]

Big Sean 8:29 Yeah, I know. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 8:30 You, you, you reminded me of-

Big Sean 8:31 I can't speak for Denzel. That's just, like, an example of someone. Yeah, yeah, right.

Jay Shetty 8:34 Yeah, yeah, of, of what you're perceiving.

Big Sean 8:36 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 8:36 I remember my football coach growing up gave me this piece of advice-

Big Sean 8:41 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 8:41 ... and it stayed with me ever since then. He would say to us, "If you lose, cry for a night."

Big Sean 8:47 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 8:47 And he goes, "If you win, celebrate for a night-"

Big Sean 8:50 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 8:50 ... but then get back to training."

Big Sean 8:52 That's right.

Jay Shetty 8:52 So if you lose, cry for a night, but then get back to training, and if you win, celebrate for a night and get back to training. It was always about-

Big Sean 8:59 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 9:00 ... getting back to training the next day.

Big Sean 9:01 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 9:02 He was like, "You can't just sit there and cry for a week-

Big Sean 9:05 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 9:05 ... or cry for a month, and you can't in the same way celebrate for a month."

Big Sean 9:09 No.

Jay Shetty 9:09 "You can't just live off your past success."

Big Sean 9:11 That's right.

Jay Shetty 9:11 Get back to training, and I love that mindset. Someone was asking me-

Big Sean 9:15 It's like a Kobe mindset almost, right?

Jay Shetty 9:16 Yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 9:17 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 9:17 For su- Go on.

Big Sean 9:18 You know, I know you got a chance to talk to Kobe before, and, um, I've actually got a chance to talk to him as well and, you know, he's, he's incredible, and his mindset was something that I admire so much, and I, I got a chance to talk to him literally a few months before he passed. And he was just telling me about how he meditates and what it does for him, right? And I just resonated with that so much. It's really, it's really cool because we all are reflections of each other, not just me and you or whoever. It's like everyone that's in your vicinity, in your environment, is a reflection of a you or a part of you, even if you like them or don't like them, you know? And it's something to recognize that we are all interconnected. After you go down to the layers of it, right, you get past the singularity of, like, career, the, uh, you know, family, house, this and that. We're all, you go really deep inside and we're all very similar. We're all the same. We, we, we have the same system

Big Sean 10:17 of order of operations, you know? And it's really a, a true testament of we all are m- everything physical is made of that same, I don't know what you wanna call it, prana or love energy. And as I've gotten older in my life, I see the similarities. I have friends that are in their 60s, 70s. You know, I have friends that are all races and things, and I see myself in all of them, and I think that's something to recognize, um, in such a world of separation.

Jay Shetty 10:47 Mm.

Big Sean 10:48 I know that kinda is, like, a far reach from talking about the interaction with Kobe, but it's just, it's just crazy how in everyone that I've been meeting lately, and even just from growing up, that I've seen it's like a mirror almost in a lot of ways. Every day I wake up, I'm one day closer to death, so what you gonna do with the time you got left? I always say that's a business you'll never be successful at is the business of trying to please everyone. And then when you do please everyone, it's like, are you pleasing yourself? I can't control what people think of me, their perceptions of me, and when I try and control that, it takes me off of my path that I'm on of where I need to go.

Jay Shetty 11:28 Talking about Kobe, I think what resonated with me most about him is that he was at peace in retirement.

Big Sean 11:37 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 11:37 And athletes who are retired-

Big Sean 11:39 [laughs] I know

Jay Shetty 11:40 ... don't always find peace because naturally it was so important to be on the field.

Big Sean 11:45 Right. Right.

Jay Shetty 11:46 And so no judgment towards anyone, but it's so hard to not be on the court anymore-

Big Sean 11:52 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 11:52 ... and not miss it and wanna be there, and he had found a new purpose.

Big Sean 11:56 Mm.

Jay Shetty 11:56 And that's the most interesting thing is that you don't get to peace by pursuing it, and you don't get to peace by trying to pursue more prizes and more wins.

Big Sean 12:07 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 12:08 You get to peace by finding your purpose, and that's what he did.

Big Sean 12:10 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 12:11 And so I wanna talk about in your book 'cause you really give people these five practices.

Big Sean 12:15 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 12:16 And I wanna give people a game plan, a roadmap today in our interview so that when they read the book-

Big Sean 12:21 Yeah

Jay Shetty 12:21 ... they can kinda connect the dots between things you've said today. And I want everyone to go out and grab a copy of the book because I really feel it simplifies.

Big Sean 12:29 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 12:30 I feel like so much of this space is, like, mystical, complex.

Big Sean 12:33 Yeah. [laughs] Yeah.

Jay Shetty 12:34 Like, and, and it can take a long time, but what you've done is you've really demystified in Go Higher, your book, the pathway to get there.

Big Sean 12:41 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 12:42 And, and I love that you start at accept.

Big Sean 12:44 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 12:45 Because I think even though it's a hard step, it's such an important step, this idea that your journey only begins when you accept that where you are is your starting point.

Big Sean 12:55 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 12:55 That your experience have made you exactly who you're meant to be with the skills, the talents, the gifts. So if someone's sitting and listening and going, "Sean, that's so hard for me to accept that I am where I need to be because my life's just been full of, you know, the worst, horrible, difficult things. How do I accept and start from there?"

Big Sean 13:17 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 13:17 What would you say to them?

Big Sean 13:19 I would say that I, I understand some people's lives are not ideal. I'm someone who has seen that experience, that can relate to that firsthand, and what I can say is that when you accept it, that doesn't mean that you are giving up. Those are two different things. Accepting it just means, "Okay, I'm ready to go somewhere else, and I'm thankful for all the, that all of this has taught me, all that this has brought me. I accept where I'm at, but I know I, I'm made for something else. I know I'm made to go to Go Higher," right? [laughs]

Jay Shetty 13:56 Yeah.

Big Sean 13:56 But no, but really I'm made to, to be somewhere else in the world, some- you know? And I think that until you accept that, you can't move forward because you're just in the middle of it. And I think when you accept something, that's how you get ahead of it.

Jay Shetty 14:10 Yeah, yeah. I, I agree. I feel like it's the resistance to acceptance-

Big Sean 14:16 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 14:16 ... that blocks us.

Big Sean 14:17 Exact- wow.

Jay Shetty 14:18 Right? It's like when we're fighting-

Big Sean 14:19 Well said

Jay Shetty 14:20 ... yeah, when we're fighting, we're going in the opposite direction. It's like it's telling you it's going in this direction-

Big Sean 14:26 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 14:27 ... and you're trying to force it to go in the other direction-

Big Sean 14:29 Yeah

Jay Shetty 14:30 ... and that's what's causing tension. And accepting it means, like you said, not that you're giving up and you're like, "All right, well, I'll just do what you want." It's going, "No, this is how it's flowing."

Big Sean 14:39 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 14:40 "Now what am I gonna do?"

Big Sean 14:41 There's always a, like, thread of where you are to where you desire to be at. No matter in what situation, there's never not a way, or else you wouldn't feel it, or else you wouldn't be, have a desire for it. But it wouldn't even be in your consciousness.

Jay Shetty 14:56 Mm.

Big Sean 14:56 You know what I mean? Like, I don't have a desire to go to Saturn because I'm, that's just not in my thing, right? But I have a desire to, the things that I've had the desire to, I always knew that there was a way. So always know that no matter what opportunity you're in, against the impossible odds, or against odds, you know, whatever it is, you always have your way to get to where you are. There's always a thread leading you, and there are maybe multiple threads. So never be down and out and think that it's impossible. It's really not. I mean, Mission Impossible is, is a movie that, where he def- defines [laughs] impossible missions.

Jay Shetty 15:33 [laughs]

Big Sean 15:33 You know? But my point is, is, like, there is nothing that's impossible for you. It's all meant for you.

Jay Shetty 15:38 Yeah.

Big Sean 15:38 And it's, it's up to you. You know, one of my favorite quotes is, "Every day I wake up, I'm one day closer to death, so what you gonna do with the time you got left?" It's like understand that this is our time right now. The moment is now. These moments, we only have the moment, so a lot of us live in the future and a lot of us sh- live in the past, and that's something that we have to get out of the habit of. And I think when you accept where you are, you're kinda letting go of that-

Jay Shetty 16:07 Mm. Yes

Big Sean 16:07 ... and making a action plan to putting your attention on your intention. And you, of course you have a idea of where you would like to be, but God doesn't always give us what we want. God gives us what we need, and sometimes those are the same thing and sometimes they're not.

Jay Shetty 16:19 Yeah.

Big Sean 16:20 And, uh, it, it, it all works out, you know?

Jay Shetty 16:23 Yeah, for sure. What, what's the, uh, you know, when you're manifesting, as we're talking about this, like finding your path-

Big Sean 16:30 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 16:30 ... what's the difference between attracting energy and chasing energy?

Big Sean 16:35 Oh, boy. [laughs] Attracting energy and chasing energy, well, like I said, [sighs] when you're chasing

Big Sean 16:43 something, you're already implementing the energy of it running away from you. You know what I mean? And not to say you can't get it, but it's a lot of effort to chase something. It's like even police on a high-speed chase, it's like they might have to crash into other cars and they're chasing you. And when you attract something, it's, uh, you are using the powers that have been granted to you from God, universe, whatever you call it or believe in, of it magnetizing to you, and you have that power. It's been the power that's been... You know, we use it on a level, on small levels every day. Even if you're just setting it and say, "Hey, I'm, today I need to take a shower," that's literally, you set a goal. You did it.

Jay Shetty 17:26 [laughs]

Big Sean 17:26 It's done. You can do that on a scale of anything that, that happens, and some things may take a lot more time than others. You know? S- we all, we have these ideas and expectations we set for ourselves, but that's on us.

Jay Shetty 17:41 Mm.

Big Sean 17:41 You know? That's our ego sometimes. That's our, our, you know, wants and desires and our minds sometimes getting the best of us. And I think that things do take time, but there is always a way, and, you know, it's, you can never count yourself out.

Jay Shetty 17:59 Mm-hmm. What's been the most difficult thing you've ever had to accept?

Big Sean 18:03 The most difficult thing that I've ever had to accept is that I, the things that I can't control.

Jay Shetty 18:10 Mm.

Big Sean 18:11 I used to let the things that I can't control, control me. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 18:14 Give me an example, like-

Big Sean 18:16 How someone perceives your art

Jay Shetty 18:19 Mm-hmm

Big Sean 18:20 As a artist, like Erykah Badu says, we're emotional about our shit, you know? I think she said something like that.

Jay Shetty 18:27 Yeah.

Big Sean 18:28 That never changes. But you can't control how someone perceives you. You know, all you can do is put... First of all, to make something, to write something, to have an idea and it actualize it is, like, that is really the win for real. I'm not just saying that. Like, that is, like, come on. You know what I mean? You literally manifested something. How people consume it, if you impact anyone, you- that's literally a, a bonus to it, you know? That's why we do it, but that's, that's, you're literally changing the world. So the, one, one thing I've had to accept is, like, yeah, how people ... Like, I can't control what people think of me, their perceptions of me. And when I try and control that, it takes me off of my path that I'm on of where I need to go.

Jay Shetty 19:18 Yeah.

Big Sean 19:19 You know?

Jay Shetty 19:19 Yeah. Yeah.

Big Sean 19:19 So that's been, it, it, that's, that's, that is something hard, and you have to separate, like I said, that power of separation of, um, doing what you love to do and not tying it into how people perceive it.

Jay Shetty 19:31 Yeah.

Big Sean 19:32 Those are two separate things.

Jay Shetty 19:33 Which is so hard.

Big Sean 19:35 It is.

Jay Shetty 19:35 It's so hard, isn't it?

Big Sean 19:36 It is.

Jay Shetty 19:36 And, and I loved what you said, that when you get fixated on what other people think of you-

Big Sean 19:42 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 19:42 ... you're just getting distracted from your path.

Big Sean 19:45 Of course.

Jay Shetty 19:45 'Cause now you're placing energy on... And then you might even shift what you're doing to try and appease them, and then they still won't like it.

Big Sean 19:52 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 19:53 And that's the craziest part, right? You do what you want-

Big Sean 19:55 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 19:55 ... and they don't like it.

Big Sean 19:56 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 19:57 And then you do what they want, and they still don't like it.

Big Sean 19:59 That's right.

Jay Shetty 20:00 And then you don't know who you are anymore, and no one likes it, and you don't like it either.

Big Sean 20:03 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 20:04 And you end up not liking yourself, trying to get everyone else to like you.

Jay Shetty 20:07 And-

Big Sean 20:07 That's where you don't wanna be at

Jay Shetty 20:08 ... and that's where you don't wanna be at.

Big Sean 20:09 And then you're kinda, like, back to a square one posi- you know, position of, like, okay, having to reestablish yourself. And, you know, you gotta be right with yourself first. So you, you, you nailed it right on the head, man. It's like, you know, you can't, you can't really do, live your life for other people. I always say that's a business you'll never be successful at, is the business of trying to please everyone.

Jay Shetty 20:32 [laughs]

Big Sean 20:33 And then when you do please everyone, it's like, are you pleasing yourself?

Jay Shetty 20:37 It's a hard, it's a hard lesson as well for people-

Big Sean 20:39 Mm

Jay Shetty 20:39 ... because we all naturally wanna make the people around us happy.

Big Sean 20:44 Mm.

Jay Shetty 20:44 And, and our childhood has so much to do with that.

Big Sean 20:47 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 20:47 You know, we were speaking a bit earlier, and I was talking about how, like, I was the peacemaker in my family.

Big Sean 20:52 Wow.

Jay Shetty 20:52 I was the mediator.

Big Sean 20:53 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 20:54 I was the person-

Big Sean 20:54 As a young one. As a young-

Jay Shetty 20:56 As a y- as a 10-year-old.

Big Sean 20:57 Wow.

Jay Shetty 20:57 And so I was always trying to keep the peace-

Big Sean 21:00 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 21:00 ... and listen to people and understand them-

Big Sean 21:04 Mm

Jay Shetty 21:05 ... and understand what was going on. And so I always had to read in between the lines, and I always had to have a great sense of when something was gonna kick off, and how to... And I wasn't trying to make peace in the sense of like, everyone's just gotta get along.

Big Sean 21:15 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 21:16 I was always trying to get to the root of it and go-

Big Sean 21:18 Wow

Jay Shetty 21:18 ... what healing's needed here? And I don't know, I just always did that. And I-

Big Sean 21:22 You know what's, you know what's special about that, man? Is that, um, I think that we choose our parents before, you know, I think as spirits we choose our parents. It's just what I believe, right? It's just a concept that I believe. And some people be like, "Well, that's, I was in a family where it wasn't easy. This, and I would've never ch- chosen that." But you don't understand that, you know, to, to be one of the billion of sperm that make it into the egg and come set you li- you really fought to be in this world, right? And I truly believe that God doesn't give you what you want. God gives you what you need-

Jay Shetty 21:58 Mm

Big Sean 21:59 ... first and foremost. And you don't know how the development, there are some people who need a nurturing family that's perfect, right? And then there are some people who actually learn maybe even more and become more of a, of a positive force for the world to change it by learning of what not to do from their parents directly all the time. Or not all the time, but, like, in certain situations, you know? So I just think that, you know, you being the mediator, you, you were, you were on a course, you were learning at such a young age of things to apply or what not to apply to your marriage. And the fact that you were that, because we talked about it off camera, the fact that you were a mediator, the fact that you were that for your family at such a young age, is just incredible. Because look at the path that it's led you to. Man, you're impacting everybody, man. You're impacting, like, the world, you know? And me and families, and you're really changing it with, like, the, the person you are and the heart that you have have, you know? So, wow.

Jay Shetty 22:59 No.

Big Sean 22:59 I'm just, I just gotta pay my respect to you for that.

Jay Shetty 23:01 No, you're too kind, man. I, I got lucky. I met good men- t- I feel like important people, and we've talked about in previous interviews when you've come on about your mother's role in your life-

Big Sean 23:11 Oh, yeah

Jay Shetty 23:11 ... and, and how pivotal she was. And for me, my monk teachers. You met Radhanath Swami-

Big Sean 23:15 Yeah

Jay Shetty 23:15 ... when, when he came to my studio.

Big Sean 23:17 Amazing.

Jay Shetty 23:17 Jamie came over a couple of years back.

Big Sean 23:18 Amazing.

Jay Shetty 23:19 And you met him, and meeting him was so pivotal to my whole spiritual journey.

Big Sean 23:23 Yeah, look at this.

Jay Shetty 23:24 And this [laughs]

Big Sean 23:24 Look at this, man. Come on. [laughs] Yeah.

Jay Shetty 23:26 That's Radhi's genius.

Big Sean 23:28 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 23:28 She's, uh, she's, she's super smart when it comes to figuring out how to help people. But I was gonna ask you, I mean, talking about kids picking their parents, Noah picked you?

Big Sean 23:36 Yeah, he did.

Jay Shetty 23:37 How, talk, talk to us about-

Big Sean 23:38 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 23:38 ... how fatherhood has transformed your views on the learning experience, of what you've learned from fatherhood-

Big Sean 23:45 Mm

Jay Shetty 23:45 ... that you couldn't have learned from anything else.

Big Sean 23:47 Well, when you have a kid and you see them, and they look like you, and they look like their mom, you see that they smile like you or smile like her, how, you know, you see all these things, and you realize, okay. And then they kinda look like my brother, and they kinda look like her grandad, and her, you know, all these different family members, right? And you're like, "This is really crazy." And he'll do something that is, like, reminiscent of what you used to do, right? So then I realized that, okay, the DNA is like a computer. It's information that gets passed on, on and on and on, right? So you're really the culmination of a whole lineage, right? In, in you. So- One of the things that I learned from him, 'cause there are times in my life where I'm like, "Man, I wish I could talk to my grandma." You know, my grandma was a female Black captain in World War II, man. She was crazy. She was i- incredible. And like, or my, or my granddad, they met in World War II, right? Or like, I wish I could like... I'll be like, "Man, I wish I could, like, speak to them or, like-

Jay Shetty 24:45 Wow

Big Sean 24:45 ... get advice from them now," you know?

Jay Shetty 24:46 For sure. Wow.

Big Sean 24:47 I only known them as a little kid, and then I realized that the information is already in me. All I have to do is just go deeper within and really-

Jay Shetty 24:57 Mm

Big Sean 24:57 ... connect with that.

Jay Shetty 24:58 Yeah.

Big Sean 24:58 And that's something that I learned from my son being born somehow that clicked is, like, he is the culmination of our lineage, all the DNA from my side, from his mom's side, and so on and so forth. And he's, he g- he's got something special going on. So that's one thing I learned. And another thing I learned is to go back to the simplistic beauties of life. When we're on walks out in nature, he's so fascinated with, like, the flowers-

Jay Shetty 25:26 [laughs]

Big Sean 25:27 ... and the birds and, like, just, like, oh, the this or that or bug, bee.

Jay Shetty 25:32 Yeah.

Big Sean 25:32 You know, he's like... And it just is g- it giving me a whole new excitement for that.

Jay Shetty 25:37 Yeah.

Big Sean 25:38 And I really appreciate him for teaching me. I feel like he's teaching me as much as we teach him. I feel like he's teaching all of us a lot as well. And he's also teaching all of us that, like, hey, we can be happy right now. He's, he's, like, even if he's, like, distraught or something, he'll go do something and be happy right there.

Jay Shetty 25:56 Yeah.

Big Sean 25:56 And he chooses it, and I love that.

Jay Shetty 25:58 Man, I'm so glad to ask you, uh, ask you that question because I knew you'd have such a deep answer for it. Like, your answer, the first part of it, the idea that your child has all of that within. Like you were just saying, you wish you could talk to your grandparents.

Big Sean 26:12 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 26:13 Which I wish I could interview your grandparents. I mean, that sounds-

Big Sean 26:15 Yeah

Jay Shetty 26:15 ... like a phenomenal-

Big Sean 26:16 Yeah. Thank you

Jay Shetty 26:17 ... journey and story to hear about it, and I wanna know how much more you know about what they did or-

Big Sean 26:22 Yeah

Jay Shetty 26:22 ... how much you don't.

Big Sean 26:23 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 26:23 But I love the idea that we actually have it encapsulated within us.

Big Sean 26:27 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 26:27 Like, it's coded in us.

Big Sean 26:29 It is.

Jay Shetty 26:29 And even if we're unaware of it, and I was talking to a researcher the other day. I was doing some research for my next book, and she was talking to me. We were finding this research that was talking about how when kids are told their ancestral stories-

Big Sean 26:44 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 26:44 ... they have a much deeper sense of belonging.

Big Sean 26:47 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 26:47 And so the reason why so many of us feel so lost today-

Big Sean 26:51 Mm

Jay Shetty 26:51 ... is we've never been told deep stories-

Big Sean 26:54 Mm

Jay Shetty 26:54 ... about where our parents come from, where our grandparents come from, what they went through. Not in a way to make us feel like a victim or, uh, feel at a disadvantage, but to hear a story from the perspective of this is your heritage.

Big Sean 27:08 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 27:08 And then you

Jay Shetty 27:09 feel like you belong to something so much more bigger and beyond you.

Big Sean 27:12 Mm.

Jay Shetty 27:12 Whereas most of us are just like, "Oh, yeah, I'm from West Hollywood," or whatever, right?

Big Sean 27:15 Right. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 27:15 It's like, it's such a, like, you know-

Big Sean 27:17 Right, right

Jay Shetty 27:17 ... it's like a, it's like a temporary residence.

Big Sean 27:20 It is.

Jay Shetty 27:21 But, like, when you know you belong to something eternal, like I was talking to the researcher, I was saying that in my life, the things that have helped me the most when I'm going through a tough time, a difficult time, a, a real low-

Big Sean 27:35 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 27:35 ... is recognizing that I'm part of a 5,000-year-old tradition. So when I'm repeating the Gita, which is a 5,000-year-old scripture, which is the text I learned as a monk-

Big Sean 27:46 Mm

Jay Shetty 27:46 ... when I realize I'm connected to that lineage, I feel unstoppable.

Big Sean 27:51 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 27:52 Because I'm like, "That survived for 5,000 years. I'm gonna be all right."

Big Sean 27:55 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 27:56 Like, I'm gonna be okay.

Big Sean 27:57 Right.

Jay Shetty 27:58 Whereas when you just think like, "Oh man, I've, you know, I've just been on the planet for like 30 years and I'm trying to figure it out," it, it can feel quite uncomfortable.

Big Sean 28:06 Facts.

Jay Shetty 28:06 And so I love what you're saying that actually inside your son Noah, there is the coding-

Big Sean 28:12 Yeah

Jay Shetty 28:12 ... of his grandparents-

Big Sean 28:13 It is

Jay Shetty 28:13 ... and great-grandparents

Big Sean 28:14 ... in all of us. It's like time traveling. People always try and figure out how to preserve themselves. You know, there's the expression, "Oh, I'm living through my kids," or, "I'm living..." That's real. I f- I realize how-

Jay Shetty 28:24 Mm

Big Sean 28:24 ... much power these simple expressions have.

Jay Shetty 28:26 Tell me more.

Big Sean 28:27 Like-

Jay Shetty 28:27 I like this. Yeah

Big Sean 28:27 ... like communication can save a nation or, like, you know. But like, yeah, I really feel like we always try and think like, "Oh, there's not enough time. There's not enough time." There's a real, real, real truth to I'm living through my kids or whoever, whoever you choose to. I, I don't even think it has to be your kids. I think that your blood, your lineage, it's like you really are, you really do time travel, you know? A thousand years from now, there may be some, uh, descendants that look like us.

Jay Shetty 29:01 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 29:02 You know? Or like slight... You know, you'll be like, "Oh, you," you know, "I, I look like my dad's dad."

Jay Shetty 29:07 You do?

Big Sean 29:08 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 29:08 Yeah.

Big Sean 29:09 I've never met him, you know? He unfortunately passed, you know, when I was super little and I never even met him, but he's a part of me too. And I think that's also why it's important to work on yourself and to heal certain traumatic experiences because with all this information we pass on, you also pass on the [laughs] the good and the bad, you know what I mean? So-

Jay Shetty 29:30 Well said

Big Sean 29:31 ... you know, you, you heal things health-wise and you heal things tr- traumatic-wise, you know, or trauma-wise. And you know, y- it's really important to work on yourself physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually because you pass on all of that-

Jay Shetty 29:46 Mm

Big Sean 29:46 ... as well. Just because you understand something doesn't mean you have to accept it, and that's something that I had to learn the hard way. When you feel like you're all over the place and things aren't happening, sometimes you just need a little bit of structure and strategy to jumpstart it and build the foundation to build on. You do have to set your boundaries and respect who you are because you will lose a sense of yourself by trying to take care of everyone else. You will lose a sense of yourself if you don't set these boundaries.

Jay Shetty 30:12 That's what's so interesting, right? Like, within you, you have the coding of the greatness-

Big Sean 30:16 Yeah

Jay Shetty 30:17 ... and the heritage, and you have the coding of-

Big Sean 30:19 Yeah

Jay Shetty 30:19 ... the unhealed generational trauma that keeps being passed down.

Big Sean 30:24 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 30:24 What was, what was something you had to look at? In your background and past, generationally, traumatically, that wasn't healed, that you were like, "I'm not gonna pass this to Noah." Like, this has to stop this time. Was-

Big Sean 30:39 Oh, so many things

Jay Shetty 30:40 ... yeah

Big Sean 30:40 So many. Like, uh, worry, one thing. I used to worry so much, create all of these scenarios in my head, and I think that's, like, a double-edged sword. You know, when you have an imagination and you're creative, you create, right? So you can create good, you could create bad. But there, there ... One of the experience that life has taught me is to never worry. No matter what, you're gonna be fine, you know? I think one of my biggest fears used to be, like, what if I lose everything, right? What if I have to go back to, you know, growing up in Detroit in the hood, blah, blah, blah, and I ... and then it's just like, well, I was ... I could ... I was happy there, too. Like, I shouldn't be scared to lose any of this stuff because this stuff is conditional. And it's like, I'ma be good wherever I'm at. I remember when I talked to Sadhguru, I was like, "Where's your favorite place in the world?" He's like, "Wherever I'm at."

Jay Shetty 31:32 Yeah.

Big Sean 31:32 And I was like, "Damn." [laughs]

Jay Shetty 31:34 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 31:35 You know?

Jay Shetty 31:35 Yeah.

Big Sean 31:35 So it kinda goes back to that, that, like, that's one of the things I

Big Sean 31:39 don't wanna pass on to him. It's like you never have to worry, you know? And, you know, you could, you could be fueled. You could let something inspire you to be greater. You could let something light a fire under you, but, like, don't ever worry because you have what it takes to, to get to wherever you gotta get to, you know?

Jay Shetty 31:56 Yeah, yeah. How, how, how do you kind of imprint that in a young child? Like, how, how do you-

Big Sean 32:01 You do ... You imprint that in a young child by building up his confidence.

Jay Shetty 32:05 Mm.

Big Sean 32:05 And that's one of the things I love about my boy is, like, he's so confident. He's like ... You know, I never am like ... That's something that I wanna keep feeding him. Um, even on the song I wrote about him on my album, I said, "I see my inner child in him is still the remnants. Will he lose it to the world? Is it imminent, or is it something that me and his mom have instilled in him? And the confidence you lose, you could build again."

Jay Shetty 32:29 Oh, so good.

Big Sean 32:29 It's like-

Jay Shetty 32:30 So good.

Big Sean 32:31 Yeah. And, like, I just wanna water that. I think that when I was a kid, my, my mom and my dad came up in, like, a civil rights moment in the country. Like, my mom had to drink from, like, a different water fountain. You know, my fa- my family has been through a lot. Um, my mom's great-aunt, who was, like, a old woman, w- my mom would go visit her in North Carolina, was born a slave. So that just goes to show you how close that, that lineage is, too, right? It's like it kinda feels like it's so far away, but it's not. She was a old woman, and my mom was a baby, but my mama's alive now, so the connection of that is, like, few and far between. My point being is that, um, m- my mom and my dad did the best that they could, but they came from a era where they had to really be, "Don't be too loud. Be controlled. Don't do ... get out of line." Like, you know, my mom would be like, "When you get pulled over, like, make sure your hat is off, and, like, you, they see your face, and

Big Sean 33:33 you be respectful." And, and I think there was a lot to that, but it was, it was coming from a little bit of, of a fear-based place sometimes, and that's something that I've recognized, and that's something that my mom has helped me recognize, too, through all of the knowledge she's given me, and my dad. But, like, one of the things I wanna pass on to him is that, like, be confident in who you are because you have what it takes. He ha- You, you could already tell he has a great heart. He has a great spirit. He loves making, trying to make people laugh, you know? Not even at two years old, he was like, before, like, one year old, like, telling, you know, trying to, like, make you smile, and it's just like, just wanna keep watering that confidence in him, you know?

Jay Shetty 34:14 Yeah, yeah. And th- and that confidence kind of talks nicely to the second practice in your book. You talk about strategizing.

Big Sean 34:21 Yeah, strategizing.

Jay Shetty 34:22 And I love that you went there because I think a lot of people see spirituality and strategy as oppos- opposites-

Big Sean 34:29 Yeah

Jay Shetty 34:29 ... or they separate them.

Big Sean 34:31 Right.

Jay Shetty 34:31 And I know we've always vibed on the fact that to me they go hand-in-hand.

Big Sean 34:36 Absolutely.

Jay Shetty 34:36 Because strategy is just intentionality in action.

Big Sean 34:40 That's right.

Jay Shetty 34:40 Right? Like, that's, that's what it is.

Big Sean 34:42 Strategy is inten- intentionality in action. I love that.

Jay Shetty 34:44 Right?

Big Sean 34:44 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 34:44 Yeah, it's like you have intention, and then you get activated around an intention, and that's how you strategize. But I think often people think strategy has to be conniving or, like, some sort of-

Big Sean 34:55 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 34:55 ... manipulation or-

Big Sean 34:56 Right

Jay Shetty 34:56 ... but, but that's not what you mean. So-

Big Sean 34:58 Mm-mm

Jay Shetty 34:58 ... when you say we need to get strategic-

Big Sean 35:01 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 35:01 ... how do we build the skill of becoming strategic, and what does it mean?

Big Sean 35:06 Well, I think you recognize, like you said, is just, um, strategy to me is the key to getting ... is, is one of the keys to move from where you are to where you, uh, have to be because you identify where you desire to be because you identify so much, and you get to, you get to research. You get to plot and plan. Nothing, you know, nothing that is really amazing in life is, uh, doesn't come without a plan. You know what I mean? Uh, there are a lot of spontaneous things, and I do believe in the energy of spontaneity and like ... But, uh, strategizing to me is so important, and there are so many ways to do it.

Jay Shetty 35:52 Yeah. Yeah.

Big Sean 35:52 You know, you could, like, study someone from afar.

Jay Shetty 35:56 Yes.

Big Sean 35:56 That's kinda one of the beauties of the internet is, like-

Jay Shetty 35:58 [laughs]

Big Sean 35:58 ... you can kinda study and know someone you really respect, or you may have someone in your family, or you may have someone in your neighborhood, or you may have someone. But even, say, it's someone from across the world that you really respect, you can study a lot of their, um, what they have put out in the world.

Jay Shetty 36:15 Yes, yes.

Big Sean 36:15 And sometimes that's all you need. There have been times where when you get to know someone fully, you might get let down a little bit. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 36:22 Yeah.

Big Sean 36:22 It's like, 'cause you have all these expectations, and you meet them, and it's like, wait, what?

Jay Shetty 36:25 [laughs]

Big Sean 36:26 You, you know? But I think- There comes again the power of separation. Like, you gotta separate that. And, you know, so I know I'm talking a lot, but-

Jay Shetty 36:35 No, no, it's good

Big Sean 36:36 ... I do think... Yeah, I do think that, like, strategizing, uh, is a real key to, uh, happiness. You know? And strata- it doesn't have to be, like, a deep thing. Strategizing could just be as simple as writing your intentions down, strategizing your day. How are you gonna approach this? I always, like, before I get into a studio session or anything, I always, like, meditate and I write down what I would like to experience-

Jay Shetty 37:03 Yes

Big Sean 37:03 ... in, in the session. You know? What am I- what would I like to get done? How would that feel? And I kinda lock onto that feeling before I go and do, do what I gotta do.

Jay Shetty 37:12 Yeah. I'm glad that you pointed out that strategizing is, starts with studying.

Big Sean 37:16 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 37:17 Because then it becomes you study something and then you apply it.

Big Sean 37:21 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 37:21 And that's what strategy is. You study it first and then you apply it. And, and I was thinking about it as you were saying, like, strategizing your day, I was thinking about if you think about New York, it's a grid system. That's a strategy.

Big Sean 37:31 That's a strategy, yeah.

Jay Shetty 37:32 It's a strategy. Like, that's what it is. If you look at, if you travel to Europe, you'll see there was a strategy in how towns were built, where, like, the church would be in the middle of the town.

Big Sean 37:42 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 37:42 There'd be a river flowing through the middle. There'd be a bridge over the river. There was a strategy in how it was built-

Big Sean 37:48 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 37:48 ... in order to create an experience of the city, and I feel, you know, that's what it is. It's thinking about your life and thinking, "What are the pillars and priorities in my life?"

Big Sean 37:58 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 37:59 Like, like, what are the things that are ... Like, almost like building a city.

Big Sean 38:02 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 38:03 Right? It goes, okay, well, a city needs a fire station 'cause sometimes there's gonna be a fire.

Big Sean 38:08 Right.

Jay Shetty 38:08 It needs a school because I need to learn.

Big Sean 38:11 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 38:11 It needs a hospital because sometimes you're gonna get ill. Like, what does a city need? And you gotta look at your life in the same way and go-

Big Sean 38:17 Exactly

Jay Shetty 38:17 ... "What does my life need?"

Big Sean 38:19 And sometimes that's exactly what your life needs, is structure.

Jay Shetty 38:21 Yes.

Big Sean 38:22 You know, when you feel like you're all over the place and things aren't happening, sometimes you just need a little bit of structure and strategy to jumpstart it and build a foundation to build on, you know? So that's a perfect analogy.

Jay Shetty 38:33 Yeah. What was the best strategy you ever built to achieve something in your life? What example would you give from your own journey? When were you most strategic effectively?

Big Sean 38:42 Mm. There have been times where I was very strategic and times where I wasn't. And, um, one of the times in my life where strategy really helped out was just, like, I would say securing my first record deal. I always knew I would get a record deal. I would talk about it frequently with my friends. In eighth grade I would talk about when I, "Hey, when I sell out the this, the, the s- ... When I was- when I sell out the, uh, Palace Auburn Hill," all these things that I did ended up doing later, I just knew it was gonna happen. I just didn't know how. And you, we all know that, like, you can make plans and God laughs at it, but I really feel like when your heart's in the right place and you have the intentions and you put a little bit of strategy to it, okay, like, one of the things that I always wanted to do was like, okay, how can I get on the radio? You know, how can I be, how can I, how can I be on the radio? Then I, z- you know, did some homework and my friend went, "Oh, there's a radio show where you can battle rap and end up rapping on the radio," you know. And people w- okay, that's a way to get on the radio, so how do I get down there? Okay. Oh, so I need a ride down there. I would, like, plan out every aspect. I need to get, make sure I have a ride to get to the radio station to be able to battle rap. Okay, I need to plan, I need to write a rap for the, when I get on the radio so I have something to rap over, you know. And so it's like you strategize every aspect of it.

Jay Shetty 40:08 Yes.

Big Sean 40:08 And it can be fun. Strat- it doesn't have to feel like homework. It don't gotta feel like schoolwork. None of us wanna do more work. In fact, when you strategize, you probably are eliminating a lot of work, a lot more work. Don't get fooled thinking that, like, you're getting ahead by not doing the work. I'm telling you, when you strategize and plan things out, you're eliminating hours of work. So that is the reason, you know, a lot of us may not have time to read this book. You think like, "I don't have time to read a book." I'm telling you, like, reading a book, not just my book, but a book that impacts you, saves time. It doesn't take time.

Jay Shetty 40:47 Oh, I, I'm, I'm so glad you said that because-

Big Sean 40:50 Yeah

Jay Shetty 40:50 ... that's all it does. All it is. When you're learning-

Big Sean 40:52 Yeah [laughs]

Jay Shetty 40:52 ... all it does, it save time. It stops you from making mistakes. It helps you avoid the ones that someone else made before you. You'll probably make some new mistakes, for sure.

Big Sean 41:02 Yeah, of course. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 41:03 But, but, but, but you'll avoid so many. And I loved what you said, the way you broke it down, like, ultimately strategizing is building steps to that goal, and you're trying to break it down to the step that I can do today-

Big Sean 41:17 Yeah

Jay Shetty 41:17 ... and now-

Big Sean 41:18 Yes

Jay Shetty 41:18 ... that is small and easy-

Big Sean 41:20 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 41:20 ... all the way up. And I love the way you worked backwards where it's like, "All right. I wanna be on the radio."

Big Sean 41:24 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 41:24 "All right, let me break that down. Wait a minute. That means I need to go this. That means I need to do this. That means first I need to do this. Okay, that means right now I just need to do this."

Big Sean 41:32 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 41:32 And I think sometimes we live on level 21 of where we wanna go, but then we haven't got the elevator down to level zero

Jay Shetty 41:42 to go up, right? Like, we're just-

Big Sean 41:43 Exactly

Jay Shetty 41:43 ... our mind is in level 21.

Big Sean 41:45 And we gets mad that we're not on level 21.

Jay Shetty 41:48 Exactly.

Big Sean 41:48 And I'm, and I have, and I'm a victim of that. And I think that, you know, I've, I've gone through exper- I'm not a victim. I have done that before. I've experienced that, so I know how frustrating it could be. But don't let it stress you. Unless you let it, unless it's eustress. There's distress and then there's eustress, and that eustress can motivate you. It really can. It could light a fire under you, go through it. Distress can kinda weigh you down. So you have the power to take any aspect, even depression, and let it either weigh you down or let it fuel you, you know what I mean? So yeah, I think that I know it's a lot of people frustrated. I get frustrated still. I'm nowhere near perfect. I'm not talking to you as an expert in any way, shape, or form. I'm literally talking to you as a reflection of you and someone who has gone through these experiences and have just, like, am, am giving the game that I've learned, you know, in straight black and white, and examples of how I've done it, you know? So-

Jay Shetty 42:47 Yeah

Big Sean 42:47 ... yeah.

Jay Shetty 42:48 For sure. What, you've gave us an idea of when you were strategic. What was, uh, what was a time when you were chaotic?

Big Sean 42:53 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 42:54 All right?

Big Sean 42:55 So there are times where, yeah, I've let things go. Um, I didn't strategize. Like, y- there's always things you haven't thought about-

Jay Shetty 43:02 Yeah, yeah

Big Sean 43:02 ... that you gotta come back to later. Like, when I had a fell out with some family members, like even my mom, our relationship got tainted for a long time, and it was like I was not calling her, I was not checking in, I wasn't doing anything that a son ... And a- and now having a son, I really s- feel the, the, the depth of that, you know what I'm saying? And I didn't str- I coulda strategized that better.

Jay Shetty 43:27 Yeah.

Big Sean 43:27 You know what I mean?

Jay Shetty 43:28 Yeah.

Big Sean 43:28 I coulda strategized a lot of things better, and you always have 20/20 in hindsight.

Jay Shetty 43:33 Totally.

Big Sean 43:34 You know?

Jay Shetty 43:34 Totally, totally. No, and I, and I agree. It's, it's just good to know because, yeah, it's the same for me, and I love how you said that. Strategy is also sometimes with people.

Big Sean 43:43 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 43:44 You know? Like, we, we say the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Big Sean 43:47 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 43:47 Or you say the right thing, but at the wrong time, or you say the right thing but in the wrong way, or-

Big Sean 43:52 You know?

Jay Shetty 43:52 ... you say the right thing-

Big Sean 43:53 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 43:53 ... but in the wrong place or-

Big Sean 43:54 Yeah

Jay Shetty 43:54 ... you say the right thing and, you know, to the wrong person, right?

Big Sean 43:58 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 43:58 It's like it has to be strategic-

Big Sean 44:00 It does

Jay Shetty 44:00 ... because otherwise it's not digested. We just think, "As long as I'm saying the right thing-

Big Sean 44:04 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 44:05 ... everything will be okay."

Big Sean 44:06 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 44:07 But if you say the right thing in the wrong place to the wrong person at the wrong time in the wrong way-

Big Sean 44:11 Mm

Jay Shetty 44:11 ... with the wrong word, the wrong language-

Big Sean 44:13 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 44:13 ... it doesn't matter how true the thing you said was.

Big Sean 44:16 Right.

Jay Shetty 44:16 And that's what strategy is, is going, "Wait, how do I make sure this lands?"

Big Sean 44:21 Wow.

Jay Shetty 44:21 Like, what, what is it m- what is required for this to actually have an impact on someone and to serve them and help them?

Big Sean 44:28 Yeah, and that's what we're here to do is to serve, really.

Jay Shetty 44:30 Yeah.

Big Sean 44:30 In every aspect, this always comes down to being of service, you know? And anything we put out there, in any interview, in any book, in any song, is really of service to whatever the moment, uh, it relates to.

Jay Shetty 44:44 Totally.

Big Sean 44:44 You know what I mean? So y- yeah, and the, yeah, you, you're right. Saying the right thing to the wrong ... And the thing is, you're kinda the only one who can dictate. You know, right and wrong is so opinionated depending on who you talk to.

Jay Shetty 44:57 For sure.

Big Sean 44:57 You know? Um, there are a lot of people who think that, you know, any- anything that we could think is wrong, somebody could argue how it's right, you know? Even, uh, down to black and white, somebody can argue that this text that says the exact same thing means this thing and, or this means that thing.

Jay Shetty 45:17 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 45:17 You know? So I think it's important to come from a place of understanding.

Jay Shetty 45:23 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 45:24 And this leads to something else I wanna talk about because just because you understand something doesn't mean you have to accept it.

Jay Shetty 45:31 Ooh.

Big Sean 45:32 Just because you understand it ... And that's something that I had to learn the hard way. I thought that I was being this spiritual guy by-

Jay Shetty 45:39 [laughs]

Big Sean 45:40 ... if I get into a disagreement with someone, understanding where they come from. And then, that ultimately turns to me not respecting myself-

Jay Shetty 45:50 Mm

Big Sean 45:50 ... because I'll understand where they're coming from and be like, "Okay," like, "I get it." But i- the fact that I still get it, it doesn't mean that I can't express

Big Sean 45:58 myself and I'm not valid.

Jay Shetty 45:59 Yes.

Big Sean 45:59 So I wanna make sure that everyone knows that because I think that that was something that I learned, is to set boundaries, and that's like, that big B word [laughs] that's, like, the biggest B word there is, is boundaries, that I've learned this year. And, like, that has really, really, really changed a lot of dynamics with people, and it changed, uh, a lot of, uh, this, this really created a lot of happiness in my life.

Jay Shetty 46:25 Mm. Why did boundaries become so prominent in the last year, as you said?

Big Sean 46:30 I think I was trying to be a hero in every situation I was in. I'm s- empathetic person, so I love to ... [sighs] I, I really can feel when people are going through something. Even when the world is going through something, it's like I kinda really have to, like, really protect myself energetically because I take on a lot of people's problems.

Jay Shetty 46:49 Yeah.

Big Sean 46:49 You know what I'm saying?

Jay Shetty 46:49 Right, right.

Big Sean 46:50 I can't help it. And it's not a good, I don't look at it as a bad thing. I just look at it as how I am, you know? Um, do I wish sometimes that I could just cut things off? Yeah, but it, it taught me that I can, I just have to set boundaries on what I can and can't accept. And this year, yeah, there were a lot of things that I, I was tired of feeling uncomfortable in certain situations. I was tired of letting people walk all over me. And just because I understood or I get it, I'm not respecting myself, and I didn't realize that I wasn't respecting myself in that. You know, there are times where, yeah, I need to, I can't go to this thing. I can't do this, or you know what? I can't go here. I can't go to Dubai and do this show because I have to be here for my son. I gotta take my son trick-or-treating. You know, I had to set some of those boundaries-

Jay Shetty 47:39 Mm-hmm

Big Sean 47:40 ... that may have cost me one thing, but I gained another.

Jay Shetty 47:44 Mm.

Big Sean 47:44 And one of the most important things I gained, uh, back from setting boundaries is the trust in myself.

Jay Shetty 47:50 Mm.

Big Sean 47:50 You know?

Jay Shetty 47:51 Yeah.

Big Sean 47:51 The confidence that I feel like I have been building up so-

Jay Shetty 47:54 Yeah

Big Sean 47:55 ... for so long.

Jay Shetty 47:56 Yeah. And I think we're scared of setting boundaries because we are scared of what we lose when we do.

Big Sean 48:02 I know.

Jay Shetty 48:03 And it could be FOMO. It could be, you know, the fear of becoming irrelevant, the fear of becoming insignificant, the fear of-

Big Sean 48:10 Of fear of losing a person

Jay Shetty 48:11 ... the fear of losing a person.

Big Sean 48:12 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 48:13 But- I, I learned that too. I remember a time in my life where I had so much compassion fatigue where I just felt like I was there for everyone else.

Big Sean 48:22 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 48:23 But I had no ... And when I say income, I don't mean financially. I mean, there was no-

Big Sean 48:29 Yeah

Jay Shetty 48:29 ... energy income [laughs] coming in.

Big Sean 48:31 And you were just a piece of you. You were just a part of you at that point.

Jay Shetty 48:34 Exactly. And you're just ... And it's what you just said, you're trying to be a superhero, and you're trying to be the guy, not in a egotistic way.

Big Sean 48:42 No.

Jay Shetty 48:42 You actually just care about people.

Big Sean 48:44 For real.

Jay Shetty 48:45 But I realized very, very quickly at that time that unless I was full, rested, complete, you know, I wasn't actually able to help anyone. I was just giving people my leftovers-

Big Sean 48:58 Yeah

Jay Shetty 48:58 ... and not the best of myself. And-

Big Sean 49:00 And how to enjoy. And you gotta enjoy your life, too.

Jay Shetty 49:03 Totally.

Big Sean 49:03 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 49:04 Totally. And, and I just found that what, what really helped me was remembering that I didn't have enough to give anyone else if I wasn't in a good place myself.

Big Sean 49:18 Period.

Jay Shetty 49:19 And that didn't mean I wanted to get to a good place just for myself. The reason I wanted to get to a good place is so I could give more good to others.

Big Sean 49:27 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 49:27 And therefore, there had to be a structure. There had to be an order of, all right, well, I need to take care of myself.

Big Sean 49:32 Right.

Jay Shetty 49:33 I need to be full. I need to

Jay Shetty 49:35 be ready, and then I can extend myself. But if I keep extending myself to everyone else, chances are I get bitter at them or get mad at myself. [laughs]

Big Sean 49:43 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 49:43 And then I won't have anything to give.

Big Sean 49:44 Yeah, that's right.

Jay Shetty 49:45 Right. Yeah, and it just ... It's, it's an interesting one, boundaries, because I feel like ... I think we also think we set boundaries for other people, but we do it for ourselves.

Big Sean 49:55 We do it for ourselves.

Jay Shetty 49:56 Because people always be like, "Oh, this person keeps breaking my boundaries." And I'm like-

Big Sean 49:59 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 49:59 ... "Well, no, you keep breaking your boundaries."

Big Sean 50:01 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 50:02 Right?

Big Sean 50:02 No, yeah. It's, it's, you know, it's like the boundaries, forgiveness, they're not just there for you, you know? Forgiveness is for you as well, and boundaries are for you as well. Yeah, it's been tough. I think that I grew up letting people walk all over me. I think I grew up by letting people take advantage of me, straight up, you know? Just to be real. Um, and I saw that in my parents, especially my dad. He let, he would let people take advantage of him. He was a very nice guy, and there's nothing, like I said, right or wrong. It's an opinion, you know? It's just a perspective. So it's, I'm not criticizing him or saying he was wrong in any way. It's just the kind spirited, hearted person he is. But along with that, you do have to set your boundaries and respect who you are because you will lose a sense of yourself by trying to take care of everyone else. You will lose a sense of yourself if you don't set these boundaries. You will lose a sense of yourself if you don't take the time out to keep connecting with yourself.

Jay Shetty 51:04 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:04 Even if it's something you love. I lost, like, the passion of, like, watching anime. I remember when I was working so hard, it's like I hadn't sat and watched anime. I love watching anime. I love Dragon Ball Z. I love, like, My Hero Academia and Demon Slayer and-

Jay Shetty 51:18 [laughs]

Big Sean 51:19 ... Evangelions and all these things, and that's just one thing that I love, right? So it's like I have to take time out to do that because it is really important to me.

Jay Shetty 51:28 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:28 So I know all of us have demands. Some of us have family. Some of us work two jobs, three jobs. Some of us ... And you say it's impossible, but I'm telling you, if you make that time, you will create more time to be the better version of yourself in any of those situations, I promise you.

Jay Shetty 51:49 Yeah.

Big Sean 51:49 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 51:49 Yeah, absolutely. The other thing that really helped me as a boundary, and this doesn't apply if something's life-threatening or urgent.

Big Sean 51:57 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 51:58 But sometimes someone would call me up and be like, "Oh, I had a fight with my wife."

Big Sean 52:01 Right, right.

Jay Shetty 52:02 "I had a fight with my husband."

Big Sean 52:03 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 52:03 And my natural inclination was to, like, fix it. So like, "Yeah, let's jump on the phone. I'm gonna help you through it right now."

Big Sean 52:10 Because that's how you were as a 10-year-old.

Jay Shetty 52:11 Because that's how I was as a 10-year-old.

Big Sean 52:13 Yeah, and so on and so forth. Yeah, go ahead though.

Jay Shetty 52:14 And then I realized that actually my new response started to be, "Yeah, let's talk in three days."

Big Sean 52:20 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 52:22 And the reason was, A, because maybe I had stuff on and I couldn't run to it. Like I said, it doesn't apply to life-threatening.

Big Sean 52:29 Of course, of course, of course. I know.

Jay Shetty 52:30 If someone calls me and goes, "I go to the hospital," obviously I'm gonna be there.

Big Sean 52:32 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 52:33 But if someone's saying, "Hey, this happened, that happened," I realized I may not be in a position to quit everything in my life to go and be on this call, and those three days, that person actually had to do some processing-

Big Sean 52:47 Exactly

Jay Shetty 52:47 ... for themselves.

Big Sean 52:48 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 52:48 And when I was just jumping on the phone with them, trying to save and solve their problem, I was actually just enabling them

Jay Shetty 52:55 to not have to process it themselves. [whistles] So most people in three days would say to me, they'd text me and go, "Jay, actually I think I figured it out."

Big Sean 53:02 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 53:02 And I'd be like, "Great. I'd love to hear it. Let's jump on a call."

Big Sean 53:06 Uh-huh.

Jay Shetty 53:06 And now they talk to me and be like, "Look, I thought about it. You know, they said this, I said that, but I've ..." You know, and it's, it just showed me that so much of the time we think we're saving people-

Big Sean 53:17 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 53:17 ... we're actually just enabling them.

Big Sean 53:19 Mm.

Jay Shetty 53:19 And every time we think we're gonna solve their problem, we're actually just creating more issues for them because everyone needs to learn to process-

Big Sean 53:28 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 53:28 ... mentally and emotionally themselves.

Big Sean 53:31 Wow.

Jay Shetty 53:31 And so sometimes, like jumping in to help someone, you actually end up hurting them-

Big Sean 53:35 Wow, man

Jay Shetty 53:36 ... because, because-

Big Sean 53:37 That's a big one.

Jay Shetty 53:37 Yeah, 'cause they need to do it themselves. And so sometimes I had to set that boundary with myself.

Big Sean 53:41 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 53:42 It wasn't like I don't wanna be there for my friend or a family member. I just realized being there for them meant not being there right now.

Big Sean 53:49 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 53:50 And they didn't know that, but then when I saw them benefit from it-

Big Sean 53:53 Mm

Jay Shetty 53:54 ... I realized that actually space sometimes gave them what they needed more than my words could.

Big Sean 53:59 Yeah, because it goes back to, like we were talking about, a lot of the answers are in you.

Jay Shetty 54:03 Mm.

Big Sean 54:03 You know, a lot of the res- the, the things you're looking for, the resolutions, they are in you, and sometimes it may take a little while to rise to the surface, and sometimes you'll figure out. But one of the worst things you could do is impact somebody in the moment of them being emotional or in the moment of rage or in the, you know, influencing them. It could, it could, you could really ruin something, you know, because you're feeding off of their emotions. It's like

Jay Shetty 54:31 Yeah. Yeah. Da, da, da, da. [laughs]

Big Sean 54:32 You should just leave. Yeah, you should just leave. Like-

Jay Shetty 54:34 [laughs]

Big Sean 54:35 Oh, instead of just being like, "Hey, take some time-

Jay Shetty 54:38 Yeah

Big Sean 54:38 ... to, you know, talk through it," you know?

Jay Shetty 54:39 Yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 54:40 It's really... That's a, that's a real important, great lesson, man.

Jay Shetty 54:43 Yeah. It's, it's helped me a lot.

Big Sean 54:45 Mm, that's a great way of e- of, um, of exercising boundaries.

Jay Shetty 54:49 Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. What if, what are other daily habits? You talk about journaling and meditation in the book.

Big Sean 54:56 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 54:56 And I wanna talk about both of them.

Big Sean 54:57 Mm.

Jay Shetty 54:58 Because I think they're talked about a lot today, but I wanna hear about

Jay Shetty 55:01 your deep specific habits-

Big Sean 55:03 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 55:04 ... and how it's become such a ritual for you.

Big Sean 55:06 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 55:06 So let's start with journaling. Like, obviously you're a writer-

Big Sean 55:09 Right

Jay Shetty 55:09 ... anyway, so when-

Big Sean 55:10 Doesn't make it easier, I would say. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 55:12 No, but yeah, I was gonna say, like, what's different about writing music, writing the book versus journaling? Like...

Big Sean 55:18 Oh, completely different. So with music I don't even like... I kinda just, like... Or when I get in the studio, I kinda just let it flow through me, you know? I learned that from, like, Kanye and Jay-Z and Common. Um, now there are a lot of people who do s- write on pads, like Eminem, you know, who's, uh, amazing to me, and a lot of people I know. But how I do it personally is I just kinda like feel through it and let it sh- stream to me, and I, like, go on the mic and, like, not necessarily-

Jay Shetty 55:49 That's insane, man

Big Sean 55:49 ... freestyle it. But yeah, just piece it together. You gotta come for a session one day. But then-

Jay Shetty 55:52 I'd love to

Big Sean 55:53 ... when it comes to journaling, that's my time where I put, like, my sword, you know, your pen is like your sword to paper. And you are setting... You're strategizing and you're setting your, uh, intentions of, you know, things you may w- like to experience. But I also like to do, like, gratitude. For some reason, gratitude just seems to magnetize more of the things, um, that I'm thankful for in my life. Um, I've seen it work in a lot of ways, and that's my belief. You know? So the things that you are grateful for, you have to let the world know that you're grateful for, because how else is it gonna know to give it back to you? You know, or to bring it to you or to, to the people around you. And, um, it also is a great way for me to... You know, and I, I practice, "I am." It's so much power. So I am grateful, I am this, I am happy, I am confident, I am happy that I get to sit down and talk to my friend Jay today. You know, I am, I'm happy I get to... Whatever the case is, right? So that's what I do. And then at the end of it, of the, the journal, of the, when I do the gratitude stuff... And there are times where I write how I feel, not as much. I also speak out loud by myself. You know, there are a lot of processes I do. But when I do that journal, I sign it at the, at the bottom of it, like a contract. And I, like, I sometimes I put, "It is done," or I put like-

Jay Shetty 57:21 Mm

Big Sean 57:21 ... "So be it," because-

Jay Shetty 57:22 Mm

Big Sean 57:22 ... it's a declaration-

Jay Shetty 57:23 Oh, I like that

Big Sean 57:24 ... when I, when I do that. And I sign it because it's that important to me. I have to sign my contracts. I have to sign things that will be upheld as an important thing.

Jay Shetty 57:34 Ooh, so good.

Big Sean 57:34 And that's how the level of importance even more that I hold that to. So I sign it every time.

Jay Shetty 57:41 That is so good, man.

Big Sean 57:42 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 57:42 I've never heard that before. I'm gonna start doing that.

Big Sean 57:44 It's powerful.

Jay Shetty 57:45 Yeah. I've never signed it.

Big Sean 57:46 It's g-

Jay Shetty 57:47 That's dope.

Big Sean 57:47 It's powerful. And Jay, does everything I write down come to fruition? No. [laughs] Sometimes it does. A lot of them do, and then I realize that I'm also on God's time. So the things that

Big Sean 58:00 I've always wanted and things that I've desired, it may not just be the right-

Jay Shetty 58:04 Yeah

Big Sean 58:04 ... moment in my journey for that. But that's the beauty of it, man. I'm like, I'm still here.

Jay Shetty 58:10 Yeah.

Big Sean 58:10 I'm still able, I'm still inspired, I'm still passionate, you know?

Jay Shetty 58:15 Beautiful.

Big Sean 58:16 Yeah, yeah. So that's how I, that's how I do my journaling. I also have, like, a... There's a book I have of, like, poetry too, that I, like, write poems and stuff. I've only, I only write a few a year, honestly, but, like, I'll, like, fully write and draw around the poem and, like, it's really, like, a beautiful art. It's just some- something I do for fun. I, I haven't, actually, I've only written one this year, and last year I wrote a few, so maybe I'll... This maybe inspire me to write one today. But that's kinda all it is. But I don't spend too much time on it.

Jay Shetty 58:48 Mm.

Big Sean 58:49 Takes me about five to 12 minutes-

Jay Shetty 58:52 That's great

Big Sean 58:53 ... max. And then I meditate after that, 'cause it kinda, like... It's kinda like a good transition to, like, the energy is set for me to, like, to meditate, 'cause when I meditate, I feel like I'm attracting these things more and giving myself the best shot of being the most productive, the most, um, impactful that I can be.

Jay Shetty 59:14 Mm.

Big Sean 59:15 You know? So that's, that's kinda the first thing I do when I wake up, if I can. Being a dad, though, there are times-

Jay Shetty 59:21 [laughs]

Big Sean 59:22 ... where I get, I've woken up and I have to go immediately, you know? And so I come back to it later on. It's not preferred that way, but it's a good trade-off.

Jay Shetty 59:33 Yeah.

Big Sean 59:34 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 59:34 Yeah. And what does your meditation look like? I love, because I've learned so much-

Big Sean 59:38 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 59:38 ... just in how you journal. I've never heard, "So be it. It is done."

Big Sean 59:42 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 59:43 Or, or the signature at the end. I'm gonna start practicing those three. I like those a lot.

Big Sean 59:47 Yeah, because it's that important. It's like a-

Jay Shetty 59:49 I, that, that is beautiful, man.

Big Sean 59:51 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 59:51 Like, I get that. Like, what you just said about we sign contracts, sign checks. Like, there's very few things we still sign.

Big Sean 59:57 Exactly, right?

Jay Shetty 59:58 And, yeah.

Big Sean 59:58 And they're supposed to-

Jay Shetty 59:59 And they're very important things.

Big Sean 1:00:00 Yeah, they're important documents, and that is an important document too.

Jay Shetty 1:00:03 I love that.

Big Sean 1:00:03 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:00:03 And then, so what about your meditation? What does your practice look like for meditation?

Big Sean 1:00:06 It depends. I love doing guided meditation sometimes. Um, I love doing... I kinda have my own process where I, like, and visualize the light of creation, like, the, the light of the sun, and it, like, really filling my whole body up. And literally everything that doesn't align with that, anything that isn't that light and bright, you know what I'm saying, immediately leaves my body and goes back into the earth. And, like- So, you know, there are times where I, I, if I'm not in nature, I imagine myself in nature and, like, things going back into the earth, and I, like, surround myself, you know, from my... I forgot the word, the esoteric body.

Jay Shetty 1:00:46 Mm.

Big Sean 1:00:46 I think it's, like, one inch off you, then your emotional body, then your mental body. And, like, I just do the same thing. Like, it's like a shower of light. It's like hopping in the shower after you work out, like, a bit of light. And whatever it, it is, I kinda, like, cater to how I'm feeling. So from there I'll, like, if I have, like, something wrong with my stomach, I'll, like... For some reason, I associate green with healing energy, right? And this comes from years of, like, practice or… I associate royal blue with power, you know, the power of the universe. I associate, like, uh, red with love of the universe, the love and support of the universe. And, like, I represent, like, the violet flame of Saint Germain, like, to cleanse things that are holding me back.

Jay Shetty 1:01:28 Wow.

Big Sean 1:01:28 Right? So I do, I have, like, quite a process, and I break it down in the book. And afterwards, I feel just, it really makes a big difference. And you know, I read this book, The Hidden Messages in Water, I believe it's called, and it talked about, you know, there's, like, itty-bitty microscopic crystals in water. And they, one of the part of the book, they experiment of, like, how positively when you speak to water, like, "Hey, you're amazing. I love you. Keep going." Like, "You're beautiful." And then they had another, uh, water, uh, glass or container of water where they said, like, "You suck. It's never th-" You know, real negative. And you look at the crystals, and one is, like, a beautiful snowflake-looking crystal, and then the other one is, like, distorted and all damaged. And we are 70, 80% water. So these things, when you write these affirmations down or when you say them out loud or when you journal, these things have a real effect-

Jay Shetty 1:02:32 Yeah

Big Sean 1:02:32 ... on you tremendously. Like, scientifically. It's not even, like, a woo-woo type of thing. It's not even, like... It's not even up for debate. You know what I'm saying? It's literally scientific for the people who are-

Jay Shetty 1:02:43 For sure

Big Sean 1:02:43 ... more,

Big Sean 1:02:45 you know, need the proof-

Jay Shetty 1:02:46 Yeah

Big Sean 1:02:46 ... as opposed to, you know, more analytical than, like, opinion-based. So I just wanna, uh, stress the importance of it. It really is. And by the way, the most, s- the most honorable people that I've met and, like, what I consider to be successful, and I don't mean richest, I just mean successful in, like, the impact, what they're doing, how they are-

Jay Shetty 1:03:07 Yeah

Big Sean 1:03:07 ... they meditate.

Jay Shetty 1:03:09 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:03:09 They all, you know. From my favorite rappers down to my favorite… Down to you, you know.

Jay Shetty 1:03:14 [laughs]

Big Sean 1:03:15 Down to anyone who I just really admire.

Jay Shetty 1:03:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 1:03:18 Yeah. And they, and, and, and, and, and you can meditate in your own ways. They're like, I know, like, Jhené does different meditations, you know, through sound healing or mirror meditations. I know people who do shower meditations, walking. There's no wrong way to meditate either. That's another misconception. There's no wrong way to do it. The fact that you take the intention out, or if you focus on your breathing, the fact that you take the, the time out to be that conscious of yourself, over time, you will get more and more into it. It's like anything you do. And it will, you will see the effects of it.

Jay Shetty 1:03:50 Yeah. What was, uh, what was... Have you ever meditated with another rapper that was interesting or anything like that? Like-

Big Sean 1:03:55 Meditated with another rapper

Jay Shetty 1:03:55 ... anyone that had an interesting practice that I wouldn't know about? Does Eminem meditate? That's all I wonder. [laughs]

Big Sean 1:04:01 [laughs] You know what? I have never meditated with Eminem, but he is a very... Eminem is a very, like, amazing person, so I wouldn't be surprised. I know Jay-Z does.

Jay Shetty 1:04:13 Wow.

Big Sean 1:04:13 I haven't meditated with him, but I know he does.

Jay Shetty 1:04:15 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:04:16 And you know, there are all different ways and forms.

Jay Shetty 1:04:19 Of course. Yeah.

Big Sean 1:04:19 You know, sometimes just sitting and visualizing and, like, seeing these things is a form of meditation. It could be your way. So you have to find out these ways that work for you.

Jay Shetty 1:04:29 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:04:29 Just like therapy. It's like, I can't-- I can tell you how therapy worked for me, but you may go to a therapist that isn't right for you-

Jay Shetty 1:04:36 Yeah

Big Sean 1:04:36 ... and be like, "Oh, therapy is wack." But that's not, that's just, you know, my specific situation. A lot of times, therapy for me has pushed me to the edge of realization and has been the extra push that I needed to... Sometimes I already knew the answer, but sometimes I needed to talk it through, and sometimes I needed to really exercise, and sometimes I did learn something new that awakened the truth in me, um, through therapy and having someone that I could confide in that wasn't a family member, that wasn't a best friend, that wasn't a, that I wasn't in a relationship with, and was able to apply it to all of those other relationships in a, in a very successful way.

Jay Shetty 1:05:14 Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, in the book, you talk about how, I think it was, like, in 2016-

Big Sean 1:05:19 Mm

Jay Shetty 1:05:19 ... you said you nearly got addicted to Adderall when you were touring with Rihanna.

Big Sean 1:05:23 Ah.

Jay Shetty 1:05:23 And I was thinking, like, how do you stop yourself? Like, in that moment, like, what was the habit or the tool or the practice? Was it therapy? Was it meditation? What was it that helped you recover from that?

Big Sean 1:05:35 Man, so first of all, Adderall is, like, synthetic, you know, I don't know, they say, like, heroin. All these things, right? Like, it's just a lot to it. And I'm really into Eastern medicine, personally. You know? I, I used to have heart, a real bad heart problem that I fixed through literally taking magnesium and some other supplements that a doctor told me that I had to get surgery for.

Jay Shetty 1:06:00 Wow.

Big Sean 1:06:00 They told me they had to cut my heart open and put a pacemaker in it, you know? So when I started taking Adderall, it's because I was putting myself on a clock that didn't exist. I was putting myself under pressure, and I was living in a fear-based way. And I started taking Adderall because I wanted to accomplish more. And it was very-

Jay Shetty 1:06:23 Did it work?

Big Sean 1:06:25 It worked, but at the expense of so many things. I, honestly, the expense of, like- My, like, affecting my soul and changing the person that I was and depleting my body. It shut it off. It, it creates synthetic dopamine in your brain. So it creates all this dopamine, but your natural dopamine that is responsible for your happiness, for your inspiration, your creativity, who makes you who you are, it shuts off. It shuts it off. And after a while,

Big Sean 1:07:00 you're kind of relying on this synthetic dopamine only. And I remember as time went on, I would go in the studio, and I feel like I couldn't do anything without it, and that's when I knew I had a real problem with it. So I went cold turkey, and that is like, that was probably the second bout of depression in my life that I went through that was like re- That's when I was, like, wanting to kill myself. Like, I was just, like, my mind was playing all these tricks on me, right? And it didn't matter that I had, like, I would, had a big-ass house in Beverly Hills. It didn't matter that I had millions of dollars in the account, and it didn't matter because as great as a lot of those things are, they're still separate. This, I'm wearing a Linkin Park shirt. It's the, you know, Chester, I ha- I can't speak for him, God rest his soul, but, like, who would think that, like, oh, that someone, uh, you know, who was one of the biggest rock stars in the world in a band, uh, regardless of, you know, what they talked about in their music, like, would do that, you know? Or this, the li- you know, uh, Kurt Cobain, you know, all these things, right? So it's because it's all separate, you know? And I'm not saying that money can't make you happy, by the way. I don't like when, like, people be like-

Jay Shetty 1:08:07 Yeah, same

Big Sean 1:08:07 ... you know, I don't like when rich people get on camera and be like, "Money isn't everything."

Jay Shetty 1:08:11 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:08:12 Like, uh, it isn't everything, but it's a lot.

Jay Shetty 1:08:14 It's a lot.

Big Sean 1:08:14 It could change-

Jay Shetty 1:08:14 Yeah

Big Sean 1:08:14 ... it's a, it's a resource that is very needed in every- in anything you need to do in this world.

Jay Shetty 1:08:19 I agree.

Big Sean 1:08:19 You need it, so it is important. It's very important. I'm not gonna, like, sit in here and say it isn't.

Big Sean 1:08:24 But it was separate from what I had to deal with at the time. So yeah, it was, um, I went cold turkey, and that's when I stopped everything I was doing and I called my mom, who we weren't on great terms, and she came out and was in, in my house with me and intro- My mom has always... Shout out my dad, too. My dad is with me today, too.

Jay Shetty 1:08:48 I know. It's so nice to meet him.

Big Sean 1:08:49 I love my dad, and he's like, "Man, make sure you shout me out, too."

Jay Shetty 1:08:51 [laughs]

Big Sean 1:08:51 Like, yeah, I'm gonna shout you out, too. Like, my dad is great. But my mom at that point, in those certain points in my life, just a few key points she knew what she had a solution to offer me always, and I really appreciate that. It's something I hope to do for my kid and kids. And she was like, introduced me to, you know, she was who put me on meditation. She just would always introduce me to certain things. "Try this. Try this method." And then I started realizing how connected physical, mental, emotional, spiritual are, and I started working out. I started prioritizing myself and started putting me first, started reconnecting with things I wanted to do, started trying new things, jumping out of planes. I was doing, going to the gun range, just trying things out that I was like, "Hey, that's interesting. Let me try it," and it really helped me reconnect with myself. I started watching anime again.

Jay Shetty 1:09:40 [laughs]

Big Sean 1:09:40 And then, you know, I had to take a break from the studio because I wasn't, I couldn't think of anything, and then I finally got back in and was inspired again, and life is the greatest inspiration. But what I can say is to people who are addicted to Adderall and, like, other drugs, that that synthetic high is, is very temporary, and it's at, at an expense. And it's different when people who have ADHD who necessarily need it, but there are even other ways to deal with it, I, and I guarantee you they will take less of your body. You know, these things, like, when these prescriptions, they mess up your kidneys, your liver. And as simple as that sounds, these, your liver, your gut, messing up your gut, these, your gut is your second brain. It dictates so much, more than we've been led on to know. I think that's why Roddy is so-

Jay Shetty 1:10:33 Yeah

Big Sean 1:10:33 ... you know, into the food because it's not just food. It's like, it's, it's, it's so much more than that.

Jay Shetty 1:10:40 Mm-hmm.

Big Sean 1:10:41 So I know I'm running on and on, but my point is, is that it was very tough, but you can get through it, and you, there, on the other side of it, you, you, you come out as, like, a true champion, and you're the source of it.

Jay Shetty 1:10:55 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:10:55 And there's no better drug or high than being high off life. There is no better thing because you're the actual drug. You're the actual source of it. It's not something you have to take to get to there. It's like you are it, and there's n- you'll be, you could soar. You, you go, go higher than ever.

Jay Shetty 1:11:14 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:11:14 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:11:14 Yeah, yeah. Go higher.

Big Sean 1:11:16 Yeah, yeah. For real.

Jay Shetty 1:11:17 How do you feel your grandmother would feel reading this, these pages?

Big Sean 1:11:22 Mm. My grandma was one of the first people to give me a book of, um, it was a book about, uh, King Solomon, and that book changed, uh, my life, and it talks about the strategies of King Solomon, how he had his, ran his business, how he strategized, how, you know, how King Solomon, he didn't w- he wanted wisdom. That's what he wanted, and that's why he was granted everything else. That's why he was the richest man who ever lived, is because that's not what he s- was so- He didn't s- he didn't seek the power. He sought the wisdom to help people, and God gave him the resources by making him the richest man, right? So anyway, you know, so my grandma, she was, like, one of the first female Black captains in World War II. She was one of the first, like, female police officers, a teacher, a counselor. She was incredible, right? Her and my granddad met in World War II, and she was the example of hard work, the example of nothing to something. She lived on the street called Outer Drive, which was a, that's where Marvin Gaye used to live when he lived in Detroit.

Jay Shetty 1:12:27 [laughs]

Big Sean 1:12:27 It's like a real prestigious street, uh, and I can imagine that that was, like, one of her proudest accomplishments, so I really got love for her. I think she would read this book and be proud. You know? I think so. And I think that You know, as a scholar, she would probably be, like, correcting some of my grammar [laughs] in work and, you know, things of that. But she would be very proud. Um, she was very strict in a lot of ways, and she believed that education, going to college was the way to a better life. And I went a different way. I didn't go to college. I was like, went... Instead, I went to the music. And she know I had respect for her 'cause I always had good grades, but even when I chose the exact opposite of what she wanted me to do, she supported me wholeheartedly. And I spent all the bonds she saved up, all the money she saved up for college, I spent it all on studio sessions.

Jay Shetty 1:13:21 [laughs]

Big Sean 1:13:21 And I can't imagine how mad or how pissed off that might have made her.

Jay Shetty 1:13:25 [laughs]

Big Sean 1:13:26 But through it all, she supported me, and I just appreciate. She just shows me how much she valued family, and I was able to buy a house for her and my mom before they passed. She actually saw the music pay off. And we used to watch all these Westerns and Jeopardy! and all these things. And I remember she was watching Jeopardy!, and I was actually a question on Jeopardy!. And, you know, I talked to her on the phone, and she was so, like, "Wow!" Like, you know? And it used to, it used to tear me apart when things weren't working out and I was spending her money on the studio sessions. And we would have Sunday dinner every Sunday, and I would have to go and sit there and she'd be like, "Well, what's going on with the music? You know, you need to… Why don't you just apply to community college? Like, you could have been halfway with a degree by now. It's been two years. It's been, you know, all this time." And it broke my heart every Sunday. And I did give up. You know, at one point I did give up. So at one point I was over it. I was over music. It wasn't going anywhere.

Jay Shetty 1:14:23 When was that?

Big Sean 1:14:24 That was after I met Kanye.

Jay Shetty 1:14:26 Yeah, so you wrapped, and then he didn't get in touch with you for two years after.

Big Sean 1:14:29 Yeah. And it was like a blank. You know, and I turned down my scholarships I had to college. I graduated school with, like, a 3.7 GPA. I was like, you know, I had, like, a lot of academic scholarships, all these things, and I turned it down. And then I, I was... It was non-responsive, but in hindsight, I look back, he was blowing up in his own right. He was busy. You know, it's not the same. You kn- you only see things from your perspective, especially when you're younger. And yeah, I just was like, I, I felt like I tried and gave it all I had, and I gave up. And my mom, you know, who was a teacher as well, she was the only one who was like, "Yo, what are you doing, man? Come on." You know? "You s- you, you know, you're s- you're registering for... Come on, you got it. Like, just keep going. You got it. This is, this is, this is what you're meant to do. This is what you believe in. Do it." And literally months after that, that's when things started picking up. So it's like you can keep digging and digging and digging, and before I struck the gold, I gave up. And that's what I mean, I had those guardian angels around me to keep it going.

Jay Shetty 1:15:31 One thing you spoke about that, you know, I'm really sorry you had to go through it, 'cause I had so many friends who've actually gone through it recently, which is why I'm asking, but you suffered a miscarriage-

Big Sean 1:15:39 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:15:40 ... with Jhené. And like that-

Big Sean 1:15:41 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:15:41 ... I've spoken to so many of my friends who are trying to have kids right now.

Big Sean 1:15:44 Yeah, it's super common.

Jay Shetty 1:15:46 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:15:46 Super common.

Jay Shetty 1:15:46 But it's like-

Big Sean 1:15:47 Uh-huh

Jay Shetty 1:15:47 ... that doesn't make it any better.

Big Sean 1:15:49 Right, right. No, it doesn't.

Jay Shetty 1:15:50 Like, yeah, so many of my friends have had it this year, literally in the last 12 months.

Big Sean 1:15:54 Wow.

Jay Shetty 1:15:54 Like, they're like... And-

Big Sean 1:15:55 Sorry to hear that

Jay Shetty 1:15:56 ... and, yeah. And it's, and it's hard 'cause-

Big Sean 1:15:57 Sorry to hear that

Jay Shetty 1:15:58 ... they're going through a loss. Their partner's going through the grief.

Big Sean 1:16:01 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 1:16:02 But it's... And, and like you said, it's super common, but that doesn't make it any easier-

Big Sean 1:16:05 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:16:05 ... or any better when it happens to you.

Big Sean 1:16:07 Right.

Jay Shetty 1:16:07 What was something that really helped you through that experience-

Big Sean 1:16:10 Mm

Jay Shetty 1:16:10 ... that you think could help others? What, what was it that helped both of you? Because it's a two-way thing. It's not just about you.

Big Sean 1:16:16 Yeah. Well-

Jay Shetty 1:16:17 A lot of our problems, we're just processing ourselves.

Big Sean 1:16:19 Well, every situation is different, right? So to someone who is experiencing miscarriages, and I can only speak from a man's perspective. I can't speak for a woman who really, their perspective is the most traumatic. But I can say that, first of all, you're worthy. I don't want you to think you're not worthy. I don't want you to... I don't want people to think that because they have a miscarriage that they're inadequate or that they're broken. I think that this life is complex, and there are things we do and don't understand, and I think there's beauty in everything that's meant for you. And instead of trying to control exactly how you want your life to be, accept that it's gonna be the life that is meant for you. And you may get blessed with a child later on. You may get blessed with a child that comes into your life a different way. You may get blessed with... You have to keep your... Sometimes we get so set on a goal, we don't keep the rest of the, of our, of our doors open of how the universe could bless us in that way to not only fill that void but even make it even

Big Sean 1:17:32 greater. So I just want to, you know, keep an open mind. But you, to anyone who does experience such an insufferable loss, like, do, you know, go through it. Like, express yourself, deal with that grief, but don't let it consume you.

Jay Shetty 1:17:46 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:17:46 You know? Um, sometimes you gotta go through it just to get to it.

Jay Shetty 1:17:50 Yeah.

Big Sean 1:17:50 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:17:50 For sure. No, I appreciate that, man.

Big Sean 1:17:51 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 1:17:52 I think it's gonna help a lot of them. We've got two last questions for you, Sean-

Big Sean 1:17:55 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:17:55 ... before we wrap.

Big Sean 1:17:56 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 1:17:57 How do you personally find the light in really dark times? Like, when you feel distracted from that-

Big Sean 1:18:04 Mm

Jay Shetty 1:18:04 ... spiritual light, what do you do to reconnect?

Big Sean 1:18:07 Well, to find the light in really dark times, sometimes you have to realize that you are the light, but sometimes you gotta embrace the darkness.

Jay Shetty 1:18:18 Mm.

Big Sean 1:18:19 You ever notice how when you're in the dark-

Jay Shetty 1:18:21 Yes

Big Sean 1:18:21 ... for a long time, you start to see better and things actually get lighter?

Jay Shetty 1:18:24 For sure.

Big Sean 1:18:25 I think that it's a natural human instinct to, like, go into a-

Jay Shetty 1:18:32 So good

Big Sean 1:18:32 ... a mo- a, a mode of, like, fear-based, and it's like, "I need the light. I need the light. Where's the light?" Instead of just accepting that you are, you are for certain, you are- You, you not only are you the light, that there are, is a darkness to you, too, that's beautiful, and that you have to accept all aspects of yourself. So, you know, once you do accept it, I think it is easier to find the light or be the light. I think, you know, once you really are comfortable in your environment, you, um, will find and see the way to wherever it is you're trying to go.

Jay Shetty 1:19:10 Absolutely. Great answer. Uh, last question I want to ask you. One of my favorite things you ask people to do in the book-

Big Sean 1:19:16 Uh-huh

Jay Shetty 1:19:17 ... which I want everyone to do when they get the book-

Big Sean 1:19:19 Uh-huh

Jay Shetty 1:19:19 ... is list five miracles-

Big Sean 1:19:21 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:19:22 ... that they've experienced in their life. I love this idea.

Big Sean 1:19:25 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 1:19:25 'Cause when I read this, I was just like, "Oh my gosh, if you actually stop to think about the miracles that have happened in your life-

Big Sean 1:19:33 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:19:33 ... and to really take them in and to really, like, embrace them and let them pervade your entire being-

Big Sean 1:19:40 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:19:41 ... you start believing in more miracles. You start living in the miracle because often it's so easy to live in the negativity and to live in the toxicity and to live in everything that's the opposite of a miracle.

Big Sean 1:19:53 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 1:19:53 What, what gave you this idea? Where did it come from, and how do you live in the miracle every day?

Big Sean 1:19:59 I mean, well, the idea came from, like, when you highlight, when you really recognize the miracles and you're kinda supercharging them and you're, you'll see more miracles. There are so many miracles every single day. The fact that the sun is at the exact right place and the moon is at the exact right place and the oxygen is at the exact right ... The thing, the, the, the fact that we are orbiting is a miracle, bro, for real, if you think about it, 'cause one slight thing, everything is gone. You know what I'm saying? Everything is gone to shit fast. So that's one thing, but f- for me, when you list the miracles that you experience personally, that impact you personally, I feel like it breeds more. So for me, man, being on the pursuit of happiness and being able to actually see my dreams come true to a level is a miracle for me. Having a f- this is in order, by the way. Having a son is a, you know, that's a mira- that's for real a miracle because that's like creating something out of nothing. Being able to, uh ... Man, waking up is a miracle. Everyone don't get to wake up, man. Um, being able to set goals and, and pursue them, you know? Not even necessarily check them all off, but pursue them. Being able to eat food and let it give me nutrition is a miracle, bro.

Jay Shetty 1:21:34 Yeah, yeah.

Big Sean 1:21:34 You know? So I'm not trying to just sit up here and, like, be preaching positivity in that sense, but there are so many miracles that happen. There ... I remember one time I was down at the fireworks in Detroit and somebody was firing a gun, and I saw it, and it looked like I saw it, and it went past me, and it was a miracle I didn't get hit by any bullets. It was a miracle that when I got into a car accident and totaled my car when I was 16, I was able to climb out of the window. I couldn't even open the doors, and nothing was wrong with me. I had a little bruise on the side of my pinky. That was it. It looked like somebody died in there. There are miracles that happen every day that you may not consider miracles that you have to recognize, and you don't even have to question it. That just shows you, bro, like, you're here. We are in, we are in it.

Jay Shetty 1:22:25 I love that, man. That was one of my favorite activities and practices, and I hope everyone who's been listening and watching today, if you do one thing, it's do that.

Big Sean 1:22:33 Yeah, for real.

Jay Shetty 1:22:33 Spend time just mapping out your five miracles. The book is called Go Higher-

Big Sean 1:22:39 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:22:39 ... Five Practices For Purpose, Success-

Big Sean 1:22:41 And thank you for writing, yeah

Jay Shetty 1:22:42 ... and Inner Peace. Yes.

Big Sean 1:22:43 And thank you for writing the forward.

Jay Shetty 1:22:44 Of course, man.

Big Sean 1:22:45 It was beautiful. Nah, just congrats to you, man. I'm really proud of you.

Jay Shetty 1:22:48 Oh, come on, man.

Big Sean 1:22:49 I know I was just at your house, like, a few days ago.

Jay Shetty 1:22:51 Three days ago, four days ago.

Big Sean 1:22:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:22:52 We loved it.

Big Sean 1:22:53 Eating, eating some amazing food. You really are an amazing person, not just on camera like some people. You really are amazing on and off camera, man. Your heart is big. It's very inspiring. Um, we have these in our fridge.

Jay Shetty 1:23:09 [laughs] You're the best.

Big Sean 1:23:10 You know, I have all your books on my shelf. I've read them. And, you know, just thank you. Man, thank you for being an outlet. Thank you for being such a connection, especially between all of these amazing people and being able to open up and be vulnerable. What I can say is that to everyone watching, you're a product of your environment, and you are the, you are the chemist of your environment. You have the power to change it in any given time or moment.

Jay Shetty 1:23:41 Mm.

Big Sean 1:23:42 You know, if you're unhappy with where you are, realize that you have the instant power to change it. It all starts with the mentality, first and foremost, and

Big Sean 1:23:53 that is, like, the key ingredient to making anything amazing, you know? So, uh, I hope you guys realize that we only have this moment. Anything you've done in the past, you have to let go of. Anything in the future can change, you know, that you have a idea of how it should be. And that, uh, what else? You know, what are you gonna do with the time you got left?

Jay Shetty 1:24:20 Mm.

Big Sean 1:24:21 It's up to you.

Jay Shetty 1:24:22 I love that, man. Thank you for writing this book.

Big Sean 1:24:24 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:24:25 The book is called Go Higher, everyone. Go grab your copy. Share it with your friends, your family, people in your life who are looking for really insightful, simple wisdom that can create shifts in your life, practical advice, practical stories as well. Uh, Sean, I'm, I'm really glad you've done this with your platform because I think that, you know, it's very rare these days for people to see ... what masculinity means. And I feel like with you, the strength and the vulnerability, which in one sense are the one and the same, but I also think-

Big Sean 1:24:58 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:24:58 ... they are different in that I think there is a need to be strong, set boundaries, be-

Big Sean 1:25:04 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:25:05 ... to stand up for yourself. These are all strength as well.

Big Sean 1:25:07 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:25:07 And then at the same time, the softness, the courage, the bravery, the vulnerability, that is too. And so I love how you put those both together. It was an honor to write the forward for this book.

Big Sean 1:25:17 Thank you.

Jay Shetty 1:25:17 A, a, a real honor, like-

Big Sean 1:25:19 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:25:19 ... for you to ask me to do that was, I was very touched. You could have asked anyone. And, uh, I, I genuinely, genuinely hope that people are gonna pick this book up. And I, I've, I think people are gonna hand it to their friends, their family, people in their life. If you want this year, 2025, to be a great year-

Big Sean 1:25:35 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:25:35 ... you gotta go higher.

Big Sean 1:25:36 Yeah, that's right.

Jay Shetty 1:25:37 And so I'm excited for you. I'm excited for this next chapter in your life.

Big Sean 1:25:41 Mm-hmm. Thank you.

Jay Shetty 1:25:42 And I'm excited for how this book for many, many years to come will have an impact on people, not just now, not just this year, but for many years to come. People will look back and say, "I loved all the music he wrote, but I also loved that book he wrote."

Big Sean 1:25:55 Oh, thank you, man.

Jay Shetty 1:25:56 So-

Big Sean 1:25:56 That means everything

Jay Shetty 1:25:57 ... thank you, man. Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah

Big Sean 1:25:57 ... and, um, yeah, thanks for that, allowing me to communicate.

Jay Shetty 1:25:59 Always.

Big Sean 1:26:00 You know, communication, I always say the communication is the bridge to salvation that God is holding our hand to walk across. And just like any other bridge, you can't skip a step to get to the other side. So thanks for allowing me to communicate, and thank you for communicating so well in your life. It's very inspiring.

Big Sean 1:26:18 And I'll, yeah, I'll see you soon, man.

Jay Shetty 1:26:20 I'll see you soon.

Big Sean 1:26:20 I'll, I'll come back over for dinner soon.

Jay Shetty 1:26:21 I can't wait.

Big Sean 1:26:22 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:26:22 I can't wait.

Big Sean 1:26:23 Thank you.

Jay Shetty 1:26:23 I appreciate it. Thank you, sir.

Big Sean 1:26:24 Yeah, that is part three.

Jay Shetty 1:26:25 That is part three over.

Big Sean 1:26:26 Part three.

Jay Shetty 1:26:27 Part four coming soon. [laughs]

Big Sean 1:26:28 Yeah, part four coming soon. Thank you, man.

Jay Shetty 1:26:29 I love it. You're the best, man.

Big Sean 1:26:30 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:26:30 Thank you, brother.

Big Sean 1:26:31 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:26:31 Thanks for being such a dear friend. If this is the year that you're trying to get creative, you're trying to build more, I need you to listen to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods that lead to success, and the secret to genuinely loving what you do. If you're trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you.

Big Sean 1:26:55 Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value. Like, as an artist, if you like it, that's all of the value. That's, the success comes when you say, "I like this enough for other people to see it