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Jay Shetty Podcast

HOLLYWOOD Executive: Success Was NOT What I Thought It Would Be! | Ari Emanuel

Today, I welcome Ariel Emanuel CEO of Endeavor Talent Agency. His high-stake, successful career has taught him a lot about how change is the only constant in this fast-paced world and what strategies we can employ to train our minds to…

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Aug 14, 20231h 0mWatch on YouTube

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Change is accelerating—and learning to live comfortably in discomfort
Jay asks Ari what patterns he’s noticed over three decades, and Ari says the biggest pattern is that change happens faster and faster. He frames adaptability as a mindset: getting comfortable with discomfort and rapid change rather than labeling it as good or bad.
- •Jay reflects on how quickly technology and habits have shifted within a lifetime
- •Ari says change itself isn’t new, but the speed of adoption is now much faster
- •Ari emphasizes a mindset of being “comfortable in the uncomfortable”
- •Ari argues change isn’t inherently good or bad—“it just is”
Training the mind: fasting, meditation, cold exposure, and resisting the “little voice”
Ari describes how he trained himself to tolerate discomfort through practices like fasting, daily meditation, and cold baths. He explains this as building a habit of not obeying the internal voice that tries to avoid hard things, and he connects that directly to business resilience.
- •Ari shares early insecurity about being perceived as “not that bright,” tied to dyslexia and childhood experiences
- •He describes fasting as the starting point for practicing discomfort tolerance
- •He lists routines that reinforce discipline: meditation, cold baths, early workouts
- •Ari frames success as “showing up” even when the inner voice resists
- •He connects physical discomfort training to taking on demanding business challenges
Imposter feelings, childhood anxiety, and moving beyond anger as fuel
Jay asks why insecurity can persist even with success, and Ari explains how old stories from childhood can keep running in the background. He describes how anger and resentment helped him push forward early on, but eventually became limiting and exhausting—requiring deeper internal work.
- •Ari references Arnold Schwarzenegger’s internal self-criticism despite external praise
- •He recalls childhood anxiety around reading in public and how it shaped his self-image
- •Ari says anger and revenge can drive you only so far before they become a ceiling
- •He describes a shift toward deeper work that is scary and requires effort
- •Ari says practices like yoga can open up new awareness and creativity
Entourage portrayal and how aggression evolved in business
Jay brings up Ari’s depiction in Entourage and asks what felt accurate or not. Ari says aspects were true—especially aggressiveness and creativity needed to compete—but the show also gave him anxiety, and some behaviors were exaggerated for entertainment.
- •Ari confirms parts of the character were “100% true,” especially aggression and fighting to compete
- •He explains why being aggressive and creative mattered when starting the business
- •Ari admits the show caused him anxiety and he avoided watching much of it
- •He notes there were scenes he didn’t relate to or didn’t do in real life
- •Jay asks how Ari’s aggression matured as business culture shifted over time
Competitive drive with boundaries: knowing when you’re “on the field”
Ari introduces a core principle he learned: know when you’re on the field and when you’re not. He explains that competitiveness belongs in the right context, and maturity is being able to switch mindsets—especially so work intensity doesn’t spill into personal life.
- •Ari describes the “on the field” mindset as playing to win, and “off the field” as not needing to fight
- •He says many people fail by treating every moment like competition
- •Jay connects the idea to relationships—people struggle to turn off work intensity at home
- •Ari notes partners may be “on the field” at different times, requiring navigation
- •Ari links constant “stack-chasing” to being permanently on the field
Success vs. contentment—and why the “stack” stops motivating
Jay asks about success versus happiness/contentment. Ari says he wasn’t content for his first 20 years in business because he was driven by proving himself, but later shifted to pursuing goals because he wants to—not to build a bigger stack.
- •Ari says early ambition came from proving he wasn’t “stupid” and proving others wrong
- •He describes reaching a place of contentment and comfort with who he is
- •Ari distinguishes pursuing goals from pursuing money/status as the end game
- •Jay shares Jim Carrey’s quote about realizing success isn’t the point after achieving it
- •Ari agrees those statements can be accurate once you’ve lived through it
‘Life is not a dress rehearsal’: the accident that catalyzed a major shift
Ari recounts being hit by a flatbed truck in the early 1990s and how it changed his outlook. He describes the long recovery and how it pushed him to ask what he actually wanted—leading to leaving his prior firm and eventually starting a new agency with partners.
- •Ari describes the moment of impact and checking he wasn’t crippled
- •He recalls an out-of-body feeling and the thought: “Life’s not a dress rehearsal”
- •Ari describes 18 months of rehab and surgery as “hell”
- •He says the experience clarified he didn’t want to stay at his previous workplace
- •He links the event to later personal evolution away from constant anger and reactivity
Building from scratch: culture, loyalty, and surviving the first moneyless years
Jay asks what it was like to build a business with no money and what was hardest. Ari describes long days, uncertainty, settling disputes, and being in the right place at the right time as the industry shifted—while also emphasizing a different internal culture of treating people well.
- •Ari says he wanted to treat people well, share clients, and communicate better
- •He recounts hiring someone who’d been fired elsewhere despite having no money
- •Ari describes a period of conflict over commissions and the strain of early growth
- •He explains the grind: 17–18 hour days while his (then) wife was pregnant
- •Ari says despite hardship, they were happy because it felt successful to them
Jay’s turning point: meeting a monk, leaving the expected path, and returning with a mission
Ari flips the interview and asks Jay about his shift from business school expectations to becoming a monk. Jay describes meeting a monk at 18, being moved by the message of service, following that teacher, living as a monk for three years, and then leaving because it didn’t fit his health and independence.
- •Jay says the monk’s central message was using your skills in service of others
- •He describes being mesmerized and following the monk around London, then visiting in India
- •Jay shares family and community reactions, including fear and claims he’d been brainwashed
- •He explains leaving monastic life due to communal living strain and personal self-awareness
- •Jay says he wanted to share what he learned in an accessible way “where the world is”
Risk, anxiety, and being comfortable in awkward: how Ari decides when to bet big
Jay asks how Ari stays open to risk as stakes grow. Ari says he gets anxious and even sick during big deals, but he’s willing to do the hard work, ignore others’ definitions of success, gather information, and then “start swimming” once it’s time to commit.
- •Ari says most people avoid risking what they already have
- •He acknowledges anxiety during major moves and deals but emphasizes pushing through anyway
- •Ari describes his method: read widely, ask questions, call experts, gather perspectives
- •He says there’s no single “one thing”—progress comes from many consistent actions
- •Ari agrees with Jay’s framing: make the decision, then make it right
Insignificance, ‘legacy’ skepticism, and health as a way to avoid being a “prisoner in your body”
Jay raises the idea of embracing insignificance, and Ari argues that most businesspeople don’t truly have legacies—calling legacy talk a misguided focus. He then pivots to health: he says his goal isn’t living forever, but staying healthy while he’s alive so he can keep doing what he loves and avoid being trapped in a failing body.
- •Ari argues that legacy is rare and often not applicable to businesspeople
- •He says once you accept that, you can move past ego-driven motivations
- •Ari calls the “what’s my legacy” question a distraction from real purpose
- •He says his health focus is vitality and freedom of movement, not immortality
- •Ari fears becoming a “prisoner in your body” and optimizes habits to avoid that
Health habits and “weird” wellness: diet shifts, light therapy, and a safety-first filter
Jay and Ari compare health routines, including fasting, cold plunges, saunas, and strength training. Ari describes shifting from a lectin-free vegan approach to adding meat several days a week for protein needs, and he shares a guiding rule for trying new therapies: check whether it can injure or kill you before experimenting.
- •Jay lists his current “craziest” practices: fasting, cold plunges, infrared sauna, sleep, long-term meditation
- •Ari insists on strength training and reducing inflammation, improving gut health, and balancing glucose
- •Ari explains his diet evolution: lectin-free vegan previously, now adding meat several days a week
- •He describes using helmets and daily light therapy, plus many other protocols
- •Ari says he consults his brother and uses a risk screen: if it can’t injure or kill him, he may try it
AI, shifting distribution, and why Ari expects entertainment demand to grow
Jay asks about long-term choices talent makes and where the industry is headed. Ari says talent increasingly sees themselves as the center of value and wants equity and ownership, and he predicts AI will reshape the business again—possibly creating more free time and demand for entertainment and live experiences.
- •Ari says talent increasingly seeks ownership, equity, and broader business building
- •He expects AI to drive another major transition in entertainment and work patterns
- •Ari predicts more free time and even a move toward a four-day workweek, increasing demand for entertainment
- •He points to expanding distribution options and platforms as a tailwind
- •Ari describes building an “architecture” so talent can become brands beyond single projects
Leading a global company through remote work: community, morale, and cross-team connection
Jay asks how Ari maintains creativity and culture with people working from home. Ari describes rebuilding communal structures through company-wide discussions, book clubs, lectures, and retreats, emphasizing the need for different divisions to stay connected to serve client needs.
- •Ari describes restarting shared programming like book clubs and lectures on big issues
- •He mentions working across many countries and the need for communal connection
- •Ari says they plan to bring back large retreats paused by COVID
- •He emphasizes cross-functional collaboration across divisions to build integrated experiences
- •Jay reflects on how both rapid growth and downturns during the pandemic created unique morale challenges
Crisis leadership, cancel-culture strategy, and the ‘Final Five’ reflections
Jay asks about misses and tough moments, and Ari shares being scared during the pandemic until Dana White pushed forward, which he says helped save the business. They discuss cancel-culture, where Ari argues most people should not respond quickly, and the episode closes with Ari’s rapid-fire answers about anger, values, and consistency.
- •Ari says he got scared during COVID, and credits Dana White’s push to keep operations going
- •He recounts Dana White’s insistence on moving forward and handling backlash
- •On cancel-culture, Ari says don’t “jump in the water” with fast responses; the news cycle moves on quickly
- •Ari says he avoids social media and sees it as fueling reactive behavior
- •In the Final Five, Ari highlights knowing when you’re on the field, unlearning anger, moving past the ‘stack,’ valuing family and self-understanding, and wanting less hypocrisy and more consistency in how people apply principles

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