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"If You Want To SUCCEED In Life, DEVELOP THESE SKILLS!" Yuval Noah Harari & Jay Shetty

In this week's episode, I sat down with the international bestselling author of Sapiens, Homo Deus, and 21 Lessons for the 21st Century, Yuval Harari.

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Feb 26, 20211h 2mWatch on YouTube

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  1. Setting Expectations by Knowing Yourself First

    Jay Shetty opens with Harari's line that happiness equals reality minus expectations and asks how to set expectations. Harari says the first step is to explore what you already expect and where those expectations come from. Jay shares how his own career ambitions came from the people around him.

    • •Harari advises familiarizing yourself with your inner processes before writing a life agenda
    • •Many desires reflect manipulations by external or internal forces rather than a true self
    • •Jay describes training as an investment banker because it was the glorified role in his community
    • •Slogans like 'just follow your heart' encourage identifying with whatever pops up in the mind
  2. Competing With Corporations and Governments Hacking the Mind

    Harari explains that 'know yourself' is ancient advice but now faces real competition from entities with the money and tools to get to know you. If they know you better than you know yourself, they can manipulate you. He says the easiest people to manipulate are those who believe in free will.

    • •Past rulers like kings and merchants couldn't get inside people's heads, but today's technologies allow that
    • •If they know you better than you know yourself, it's 'game over'
    • •Harari says 99% of decisions don't reflect free will; free will is something you struggle for
    • •The consumerist 'customer is always right' defense rests on a naive idea of free will
    • •The cornflakes example shows how choices in the supermarket can increasingly be manipulated
  3. Taking Time Off and Facing the Desert of Boredom

    Asked what to do against constant information bombardment, Harari recommends taking time off and doing whatever inner-exploration practice works for you, quickly. He warns that the journey won't be fun and that inability to handle boredom is one of our greatest weaknesses. Both speakers connect this to conversations, monk training, and Silicon Valley's attention economy.

    • •Take time off daily, monthly and yearly without fully disconnecting; Harari met his husband on a dating site
    • •Meditation, art, sports or hiking can all work, but there is a race against those trying to hack you
    • •Conversations that allow no space for boredom never reach anything new
    • •Jay links this to his monk training and the pressure of performance
    • •Harari notes that Netflix's biggest competitor was said to be sleep, so boredom tolerance would hurt entire industries
  4. The Subtle Pain of Boredom and Phone Addiction

    Harari describes boredom as concrete bodily sensations, a subtle pain many find harder than heroic pain. He says phone addiction comes from the small rush of excitement of checking. Jay says he uses boredom as space to breathe, and they joke about starting a 'Boredom Movement'.

    • •Boredom is a set of unpleasant body sensations, not an abstract idea
    • •People handle severe pain more easily because it feels heroic
    • •Picking up the phone triggers a small rush of excitement, which is what people are addicted to
    • •Jay notes the pleasure centers deplete so we need more each time
    • •Jay mentions a study that 80% pull out their phone in a crowd to avoid feeling lonely
  5. Education and the Uncertain Job Market of 2050

    Moving to education, Jay shares his head-heart-hand view and the four Cs. Harari says that for the first time nobody knows what skills the job market will need in 20 or 30 years because of AI and bioengineering. New jobs will require high skills, making retraining hard.

    • •Jay's ideal education has a head, a heart and a hand
    • •Harari says the four Cs are the experts' idea, not his
    • •Past generations knew what skills their kids needed; today nobody knows what the 2050 job market will need
    • •Tractor-era job shifts needed little retraining, but future creative jobs require high skills
    • •Retraining a 40-year-old textile worker into a software engineer won't be easy
  6. The Global Education Gap and Rising Inequality

    Harari worries that the AI revolution will widen gaps between countries, since the US and China lead while places like Honduras and Colombia aren't training software engineers. He argues for global thinking to avoid a rerun of the Industrial Revolution's inequality. Asked what he'd do south of the border, he says the first need is money, citing Brazil's shift-run schools.

    • •Countries dependent on cheap manual labor face the greatest risk
    • •Harari's biggest education worry is the gap opening between countries
    • •Some places lack schools at all and run them in shifts
    • •Global inequality fell in recent decades but may grow again with AI concentrated in a few countries
    • •Without global thinking, a few countries would dominate most of humanity
  7. Why Leaders Can't Think Long-Term and What Citizens Can Do

    Jay asks whether influential people share the goal of more meaningful work. Harari says leaders are overwhelmed by immediate crises and lack time to think slow and broad, citing the French fuel-tax protests. He says public pressure can make action easier, and that the education crisis will hit in about 20 years.

    • •Leaders are too busy with crises like Brexit, Libya and China relations to reflect
    • •French protesters said they worried about the end of the month, not 20 years from now
    • •Tens of millions of people prioritizing an issue like climate change makes action easier for leaders
    • •Today's kindergarteners in Indonesia, Nigeria and Brazil will face the full crisis at 30 and 40
    • •Jay urges everyone to become change makers rather than waiting for solutions from the top
  8. America's Leadership Role and Taking Responsibility

    Harari says America remains the most powerful country and could do more than any other, but has been abdicating its leadership role with an 'America first' stance. Jay says waiting for others to fix a crisis is a victim mentality. Harari adds that the US retreat may force other countries and people to step in.

    • •Both parties historically saw America as leader of the free world
    • •Harari says nobody follows a leader whose motto is 'me first'
    • •China tries to present itself as a leader on climate change but not in other areas
    • •Jay says that if your house is on fire you don't wait for your parents to fix it
    • •Harari hopes the US retreat pushes others to step up
  9. Screens, Social Skills and Filter Bubbles

    Prompted by a Tim Cook line about screens versus eyes, Harari says virtual relationships let us disappear when difficulties arise, so we lose social skills. He cites Tristan Harris on technology downgrading human abilities. He gives filter bubbles as an example of losing the ability to engage with people who think differently.

    • •You can unfriend online but can't 'un-neighbor' real neighbors
    • •Real relationships force us to deal with difficult issues
    • •Technology upgrades our phones but downgrades our social and personal skills
    • •Algorithms show us opinions aligned with ours, and Facebook's attempt to show the other side made people angrier
    • •Jay cites an MIT study that tightly overlapping networks produce less creative ideas
  10. Humility and the Myth of Being the Center of the World

    Jay praises humility and tells the Benjamin Franklin story. Harari defines humility mainly as collective: don't think your group is the center of the world. He uses humorous examples, including a yoga teacher claiming Abraham invented yoga and foods domesticated elsewhere, plus the claim that his own nation invented morality.

    • •Harari adds that monks often turn each vice they cut into pride
    • •Harari's book focuses on collective humility of nations, parties and religions
    • •Every group tends to claim it invented everything, such as the yoga story from his Jerusalem teacher
    • •Tomatoes and chili peppers were domesticated in Mexico, and cows and horses came to America after Columbus
    • •Even animals and ancient hunter-gatherers had ethics, so no group invented morality
  11. Final Five Rapid-Fire Questions and Closing

    Jay moves into his closing quick-fire questions, and Harari answers briefly. He names underestimating our stupidity as our biggest mistake, observing your breath as best advice, and 'just follow your heart' as worst advice. He says he wants to learn how the other side thinks and would choose humility for everyone to practice. They close by joking about the Boredom Movement.

    • •Biggest mistake: underestimating our stupidity
    • •Best advice: observe your breath
    • •Worst advice: just follow your heart
    • •Wants to learn how the other side is thinking
    • •Would have everyone practice humility for 30 days rather than meditation

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