Jay Shetty PodcastJay & Radhi: My #1 Ick About You… (I’ve Never Shared This!)
EVERY SPOKEN WORD
30 min read · 6,138 words- 0:00 – 0:19
Intro
- RDRadhi Devlukia
One of my biggest icks
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Is when they like wake up and they're confused
- JSJay Shetty
If they play games on their phone
- RDRadhi Devlukia
When he posts on social media
- JSJay Shetty
Grown men shouldn't wear earrings Don't message me saying, "When am I taking you?" I'm not.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
White men who call themselves progressive or gay for
- JSJay Shetty
When they post on
- 0:19 – 3:07
What is an Ick?
- JSJay Shetty
social media forget their pronouns How seriously should people take icks?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
They should be seen as more of a funny thing, not something that actually puts them off their partner
- JSJay Shetty
Do you ever get over a ick?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
The more you like someone, the more you'll find your- the icks cuter
- JSJay Shetty
Everyone is gonna have something that gives you the ick
- RDRadhi Devlukia
I remember one of my icks was at the beginning when we were dating [record scratch]
- JSJay Shetty
Go on
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Where you used to do that, "Oh my God"
- JSJay Shetty
Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose with Jay Shetty, with my favorite person in the world, Radhika Devlukia. And we're diving into topics about things that we talk about, things that we hear about from friends and family, things that you could talk about on a long car journey
- RDRadhi Devlukia
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
After a long day at work, or maybe while you're out at dinner and you wanna have a chat about what's going on. So today's topic is all about
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Icks
- JSJay Shetty
Icks
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Good old icks
- JSJay Shetty
I feel like the concept of icks didn't exist when we were dating
- RDRadhi Devlukia
No, maybe it w-
- JSJay Shetty
Or maybe they existed, but they didn't have that language
- RDRadhi Devlukia
We didn't call them icks
- JSJay Shetty
And if anyone's wondering, because you've been sleeping under a rock, what an ick is, the term ick refers to a sudden turn-off or something that instantly kills attraction
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Ooh, that's a harsh term
- JSJay Shetty
These aren't always rational, and they can vary culturally and individually, but there are common patterns reported in dating conversations, social media, and psychological observations
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Wow, so official
- JSJay Shetty
When did you first discover what icks were?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
I don't know when, but I feel like I've ... Now that it's got a name to it, I appreciate it, 'cause I've felt icks my whole life
- JSJay Shetty
Really?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
What? Like, when you were dating back in the day?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
You never dated anyone apart from me
- RDRadhi Devlukia
What?
- 3:07 – 5:21
The Funniest Icks
- RDRadhi Devlukia
in the car [laughs] .
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- RDRadhi Devlukia
I don't even know how that's an ick, but that was an ick
- JSJay Shetty
Because? What was her reasoning?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Don't remember
- JSJay Shetty
She said that it doesn't feel masculine
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Masculine enough, yes
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Someone else that I spoke to said that she finds it really icky when her husband cries
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] That's terrible
- RDRadhi Devlukia
[laughs] So not nice, but also just so funny that people put that on the ick list. Well, okay, it's obviously funny, but there's also a little bit of meanness and depths to it, that people get turned off so easily these days. And I think it's, it really, sometimes just by getting an ick, they won't go on a second date. I feel like, should we start off by reading some really funny icks out?
- JSJay Shetty
Go on
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Okay. So, oh, when they run after a receipt that's blown away in the wind [laughs] . That's so true
- JSJay Shetty
Who does that?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
When they hold a limp umbrella in a strong wind [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- RDRadhi Devlukia
When they run with a backpack on and it bounces side to side
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- RDRadhi Devlukia
[laughs] That's a really good one. I agree. When they, when they try to get out of a beanbag chair and it takes a full 12 seconds
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- RDRadhi Devlukia
When they walk, when they call a waiter over, but they walk right past them. These are all very good ones
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- RDRadhi Devlukia
There are some other really funny ones though too. What else did we, what else did we say in the car that was really funny, do you remember?
- JSJay Shetty
I don't remember the car ones at all
- RDRadhi Devlukia
When they have allergies. That's so rude. When you're driving and they grab the bar. Yeah, when you are the driver, when the girl's the driver and the guy gets scared and holds, holds the side of the car. That's icky. When they get carsick [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
I, I get carsick. That's not an ick. It's a really-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Oh
- JSJay Shetty
... sad thing to go through actually
- RDRadhi Devlukia
When they wear no-show socks. No
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. I agree with that one
- 5:21 – 9:39
How Seriously Should People Take Icks?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
baby voice with your mum and your sister. Oh my God. Ugh. I cannot even hear it. Go on, do it, please.
- JSJay Shetty
I'm not doing that. I don't do it with anyone else
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Please. You do know it, though.
- JSJay Shetty
I don't. Only with my mom and my sister
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Come on. Mom and sister. Suddenly I w- was in a room with all three of them, and they're all doing this weird baby voice to each other. I was like, "In where am I, and what is happening?" Please just do it once.
- JSJay Shetty
No, I don't do it anymore
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Come and show them too, so they think-
- JSJay Shetty
I literally don't do it anymore because you c- you are-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
You actually don't do it that much
- JSJay Shetty
I don't, I don't do it anymore
- RDRadhi Devlukia
But you know what? You should be who you want to be
- JSJay Shetty
I don't do that anymore
- RDRadhi Devlukia
But just don't do that voice around me [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] What, what, what were all my icks about you? But yeah, what are my icks about you?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Don't know. In the beginning?
- JSJay Shetty
Being late
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
That is an ick. That is a massive ick for me when people are late.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Really?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, massive ick. You can't be late.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
I've been ick your whole life then, mate.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] Basically.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
What else?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Skinny jeans. Skinny jeans are a b- skinny jeans, I was just checking if my microphone was running. Skinny jeans, before I said it. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Skinny jeans, big ick.
- JSJay Shetty
Now they are. At one point they were fashionable. That's what it is about icks, that there was a time when the ick could've been fashionable. Like I know one of our friends, her sister doesn't like men who wear jewelry.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Oh.
- JSJay Shetty
Like, that's her ick. So that's what I'm trying to understand is like how seriously should people take icks?
- 9:39 – 12:55
Can You Get Over an Ick?
- JSJay Shetty
... all the time right now.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Drinks cow's milk in a glass, or drinks cow's milk full stop.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Ick.
- JSJay Shetty
Using phrases like let that sink in too seriously. [laughs]
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Calls women females.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- RDRadhi Devlukia
[laughs] What the hell? Is he a biology teacher? [laughs] Oh.
- JSJay Shetty
My God. All right. Obsessing over a celebrity like they know them personally.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
I, when I have friends that refer to celebrities by their first name-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
First name
- JSJay Shetty
... that they don't know, it's an ick. Uh, referring to their ex as crazy with no context.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
You, you okay with that?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah, I'm all right with that.
- JSJay Shetty
Oh, gosh. So let's help people. Let's think about icks. What's our take?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
My take is that, um, you should give people-
- JSJay Shetty
Oh, wait. This is a better question.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Do you ever get over a ick? Can you get over a ick?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Like, did you get over the ick of me talking in baby voice, or did I have to stop doing it?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
mixture of both.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- RDRadhi Devlukia
I think the more you like someone, the less you'll find, like the l- the more you'll find y- the icks cuter. However, there are just some things that you're gonna ha- that the other person's gonna have to just stop doing if they've, the partner finds it icky more than three times.
- JSJay Shetty
So how do you tell someone, "Hey, I have an ick about this, and that's the reason-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
I think I ex- explicitly told you
- JSJay Shetty
... I haven't been texting you. That's the reason I haven't been-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Oh.
- 12:55 – 14:26
Personal Hygiene is Important
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] when they run. Like, that's ... [laughs] You don't have to look at the-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah, give them a different bag.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Tie in their backpack.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. [laughs] Tie in their backpack. Like, you don't have to watch that every day. Like, that's not your life. You know what I mean? Like, I, I think, I think today people find icks to get out of something they want to get out of.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Mm. Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
So it's like, it's like a-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
It's like, it's a easy reason
- JSJay Shetty
... yeah, it's an easy reason. It's a scapegoat. It's, uh, it's something you use to justify why you don't wanna be with someone.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Right. Right.
- JSJay Shetty
You just aren't attracted to them. You just aren't into them, and you don't wanna say that, so you end up coming up with this ick that justifies why you don't wanna be them.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah, I think so. I think an ick is a good w- easy way out.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
For sure.
- JSJay Shetty
Jared Freedo hosts the You Up? podcast, who's a mate of mine. He says that men ... Like, an ick would never stop a man from dating someone. If they like someone, they like someone, doesn't matter even if there's an ick. But from women it's actually a lot more serious. Do you agree?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Mm, I think so.
- JSJay Shetty
Why?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
But then I think ... I wonder if, okay, let's say a girl's got bad breath. Is that not gonna be an ick for a guy?
- JSJay Shetty
No, of course it is.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
But it won't stop her from, him from dating her?
- JSJay Shetty
I don't know. That's a question for Jared right there. I'm not sure. Like, I, I, I mean, for me, to me that's more than an ick. To me, that's just bad hygiene.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] Like, I'm like, that's like a basic-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Let's say something else
- JSJay Shetty
... yeah, exactly. That's like a basic human thing that you'd want from everyone, let alone the person you're-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah, that's true. That's true
- JSJay Shetty
... you with. Right? It's, it's not-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
I, yeah, I think women definitely are potentially pickier, I'd say maybe-
- JSJay Shetty
Really?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
... when it comes to things like that.
- 14:26 – 15:40
Arrogance Versus Confidence
- JSJay Shetty
I, I got up here the top five icks women commonly have about men.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah, go on.
- JSJay Shetty
Lack of hygiene or grooming.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Oh, wait, that women have about men?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah, okay.
- JSJay Shetty
Dirty nails, bad breath, or unkept hair can instantly kill attraction.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Wow.
- JSJay Shetty
Smelling bad or being generally unkept ranks high in surveys.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Wow.
- JSJay Shetty
However, I would say I know a lot of friends who are with guys who don't smell great, and they're still with them.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Oh, interesting.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Number two is icks that women have about men, overconfidence or cockiness.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Oh, that's a big ick, yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Bragging-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Bragging
- JSJay Shetty
... dominating conversations, or acting like a know-it-all is often perceived as insecurity masked as arrogance.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
I like that. That's a good one.
- JSJay Shetty
Let's talk about that. What is the difference between confidence and cockiness, and confidence and arrogance, for you?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
I think arrogance is when you are trying to prove to someone that what your worth is, when you're trying to prove to someone that you are better than something else or someone else. And I think confidence is ... You know, co- confidence I just find is so much quieter. It's like you just show up with energy that is you are supporting your own self. You're not trying to put other people down in trying to make yourself look better.
- JSJay Shetty
Right.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
A lot of the time with arrogance, people are trying to put other people down,
- 15:40 – 17:25
Childishness and Immaturity
- RDRadhi Devlukia
or they're acting in a way that feels superior. I think that's the difference. Arrogance is superiority. Confidence is being able to carry yourself with y- respect for yourself.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Yeah.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
And I think you really see the difference when people are talking, acting, how they act towards other people, how they act towards you, the things that they say in conversation even on a date. Like, it's so obvious when someone is cocky, and usually cockiness comes from insecurity, so ...
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. I, I definitely think overconfidence or arrogance is a turn-off for everyone.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
I, I don't enjoy it-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Exactly
- JSJay Shetty
... in a conversation. It's, it's, it's not endearing. It's not impressive. You switch off really, really quickly.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Um, that makes a lot of sense. Number three [laughs] is immaturity or childish behavior. This includes playing too many video games-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Mm
- JSJay Shetty
... making crude jokes, or being emotionally unavailable or avoidant. Those are all icks for women, like serious icks.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah. I think the childish behavior ... It's interesting, 'cause I think some women actually, depending on what traumas they've been through when they've been younger, babying a man is what they've been used to or-
- JSJay Shetty
Interesting
- RDRadhi Devlukia
... or are attracted to.
- JSJay Shetty
Interesting.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
A man to save, a man to look after, a man to care for. So I actually see a lot more women ... Well, I see a lot of powerful women ending up with people like that, where they have to-
- JSJay Shetty
Interesting
- RDRadhi Devlukia
... look after them.
- JSJay Shetty
Interesting.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
But I can understand why it should be a turn-off, because you don't want to be mothering your boyfriend or your partner.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. I, I think it's really interesting. I think sometimes women get into relationships hoping the man will change.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
And men get into relationships hoping the woman will never change.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yes. That's so true.
- JSJay Shetty
And what ends up happening is that the man doesn't change and the woman does.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
So it's the opposite of what you
- 17:25 – 21:43
Is It Just Poor Communication?
- JSJay Shetty
wanted.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Opposite way.
- JSJay Shetty
And when you get into a relationship with a guy who plays video games, he's not just gonna stop playing video games the moment you get married. That's, that's what he does.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And you're not gonna change that about him, and I think that's what's so interesting about these icks, is that if something really affects you, you should know it's less likely to change than more likely.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Especially if it's something conditioned and deeply a part of their life.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
Right? And so if something does affect you that deeply, the two questions you have to ask is, why does this trigger me so much? And am I okay if this never changes?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
I think that's really important.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
It is.
- JSJay Shetty
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- RDRadhi Devlukia
See, I think there's a difference between icks now and, um, what makes someone feel secure in a relationship.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Because that's a big security part of a relationship, where y- if you feel confused about where you stand, if the person isn't communicating in a way that makes you feel wanted, that actually breeds insecurity in a relationship, and I think that more than an ick, that is probably a ser- an ick, ick to me is something that's not a serious problem. An ick to me is something slightly silly that-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah, yeah
- RDRadhi Devlukia
... that your mind's fixated on, but you know, there is a bit of humor to it, whereas this doesn't seem like an ick. It seems like more of a serious issue, because you don't know where you stand in the relationship.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
And I think that, that you have to know the difference between an ick and something that is actually fundamental.
- JSJay Shetty
That's really interesting, because usually we overvalue an ick, and we undervalue a fundamental.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
So-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Red Flag
- JSJay Shetty
... if someone runs with their backpack bouncing [laughs] -
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Hmm
- JSJay Shetty
... we think, "Oh my gosh, they're so unattractive."
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
But if someone doesn't reply, you're like, "Oh, they must be busy," right? So we make excuses for the fundamentals-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah
- 21:43 – 23:38
Top 5 Icks Men have About Women
- RDRadhi Devlukia
so that even the things that you would normally find unattractive, you find attractive in them, especially if it's in a toxic relationship. When it's a toxic relationship where things are up and down, apparently the hormones in your body, the chemicals in your mind, end up finding even the things that are absolutely grotesque, your body actually t- even if the person has bad breath, you don't smell the bad breath.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Even if the person, you, you get used to even their smell and the way that they speak and the, everything that you would normally find disgusting in someone else, that other people may even notice, you don't. That's why it's so funny, uh, you know, when you end up seeing someone that your friend's dating, and you're like, "How in the world?" Especially if they weren't a good person, and then you see-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah
- RDRadhi Devlukia
... maybe s- physically they don't match either. It's like that shallow halo effect-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- RDRadhi Devlukia
... where the person is literally seeing a completely different version-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- RDRadhi Devlukia
... to the person that they actually are.
- JSJay Shetty
That's fascinating. That is so true as well.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
So true. All right, I wanna go through the list of the top five icks men have about women. Number one, o-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Wait, can I say one more thing?
- JSJay Shetty
Go on.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
The, it's, it's like, for example, I remember I really disliked smoking when I was growing up, but then I remember thinking this guy at my college was really attractive, and, but he was a smoker. And at that point, I was like, "Oh, wow, I actually really like the smell of s-" I was around the smell of smoke so much, I ended up thinking I liked the smell of smoke.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Even though I absolutely despise smoking. And my friends have said the same thing when they've dated people who drink alcohol or when they've dated people who smoke weed. They absolutely hate it, would never do it themselves, but because they were obsessed with that person or thought that person was attractive, suddenly what they do becomes attractive.
- JSJay Shetty
That's why it's so im-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Isn't that so interesting?
- JSJay Shetty
That is, yeah, and that's why it's so important to choose someone in your life that actually has the habits and things you want, because-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... you're gonna be influenced-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... and you're gonna be impacted even if you don't wanna be.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
It, no, I didn't wanna do it. I just, it, my mind shifted towards accepting it.
- JSJay Shetty
Right, if you would've stayed with that person or got with them or whatever-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Right, right, right, right
- JSJay Shetty
... that slowly would become your lifestyle.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah, maybe.
- JSJay Shetty
Right?
- 23:38 – 29:03
The Guy with a List (@wyszkay)
- RDRadhi Devlukia
don't like just because someone that you like does it.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Opposite of icks.
- JSJay Shetty
Top five icks men commonly have about women. Number one, overly superficial behavior. Talking only about appearances, name-dropping, or obsessing over social media and selfies. Yeah, I, yeah, it's frustrating.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
I love a good selfie.
- JSJay Shetty
I know you do. I am your Instagram husband, and I never get a photo credit, ever.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
You don't, you c- once you're married, you don't need photo cred.
- JSJay Shetty
Why?
- RDRadhi Devlukia
It's just part of the relationship.
- JSJay Shetty
Right, okay.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, that's an ick right there.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
And number two, playing mind games, being intentionally vague, manipulative-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... or using passive aggressive tactics.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
That's a fundamental problem.
- JSJay Shetty
That's for both, yeah.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah, that's not an ick. I feel like that's a fundamental issue.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Number three, entitlement or materialism, expecting to be spoiled without reciprocation or judging people based on money, status, or possessions.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Some guys like that, to be honest.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, because that-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Some guys like a girl that will give-
- JSJay Shetty
That gives them the ability-
- RDRadhi Devlukia
... them princess treatment
- JSJay Shetty
... well, some relationships like that because then it, it becomes an easy way of showing status.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Or an easy way of showing prowess.
- RDRadhi Devlukia
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
I don't love that, though.
Episode duration: 29:03
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