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JOE JONAS ON: If You Want To COMPLETELY CHANGE Yourself In 2023, WATCH THIS! | Jay Shetty

Today, I am talking to Joe Jonas. Joe rose to fame, alongside his brothers Kevin and Nick, as a member of the pop rock group Jonas Brothers.

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0:00 – 3:31
Intro
1. JJJoe Jonas
  It's a gr- I want you to write a letter to yourself as a kid, and I want you to think of that age. Like, oh yeah, you know, like, it's okay to like, be a weirdo. Like, if you get picked on for that, that's cool, and one day those guys are gonna come to your concert. And then I wrote a letter to myself as an adult, but as the eight-year-old self, and I couldn't get through the le- I mean, I'm bawling, crying. It was just such a great reminder to be a kid at heart and-
2. JSJay Shetty
  The bestselling author and host. The number one health and wellness podcast. On Purpose with Jay Shetty. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world, thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow. Now, I know that you're listening because you wanna be happy, you wanna be healthy, and you wanna be healed. And it's not always that I get to do this, but I try and sit down with guests that I have really deep, meaningful relationships with. And I like to share that with you, because I find that when these relationships develop organically offline, then when we bring them online, usually after a couple of years, you get to experience something special. You get to hear two friends talking. You get to hear people not, not scared of being interviewed. You get to hear me not being confused or flustered about where I wanna go, and I really hope that this interview's gonna do that for you. I'm speaking to someone who needs no introduction. I'm speaking to someone who I absolutely admire and respect on so many levels. You're gonna see that throughout the interview. And I'm speaking to someone who became one of my dearest friends without meeting him during the pandemic. I'm speaking about the one, the only, Joe Jonas, one of the kindest, sweetest, most down-to-earth humans I know. Uh, there is not a bad bone in this guy's body. Uh, he's given me memories that will last a lifetime. I'm so grateful that he's finally on On Purpose. Joe-
3. JJJoe Jonas
  Wow. Thank you
4. JSJay Shetty
  ... welcome to the show.
5. JJJoe Jonas
  What an intro.
6. JSJay Shetty
  It was from the heart.
7. JJJoe Jonas
  I need you to introduce every show from now on.
8. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs] I will do it.
9. JJJoe Jonas
  Ladies and gentlemen, nicest person I know. Um, thank you, Jay.
10. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs] I'll do it. Let me be the voice of God at your events.
11. JJJoe Jonas
  Please.
12. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
13. JJJoe Jonas
  We have a show tomorrow. You can do it.
14. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
15. JJJoe Jonas
  Um, yeah, I'm so thrilled to do this.
16. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
17. JJJoe Jonas
  Honestly, your podcast has been on my top listens every week. Um, life-changing, and it's interesting how I've quite... I, I'm kind of late to the game. I discovered Jay Shetty a bit further along in my m- meditation journey than most. When we first met was via Zoom. Actually, the first time we met was in front of, like, thousands of people online, and then we didn't actually meet in person until, probably a year and a half, two years later.
18. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
19. JJJoe Jonas
  My brother met you twice before me.
20. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. [laughs]
21. JJJoe Jonas
  Nick met you twice.
22. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
23. JJJoe Jonas
  Um, so I was quite jealous, and I was like, "I never... Maybe he's not, maybe he's not real." [laughs]
24. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
25. JJJoe Jonas
  Maybe this, maybe this is an AI version of this person that was created. But, um, I'm glad to say you're real, and I'm glad that we've become so close, and you've been-
26. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
27. JJJoe Jonas
  ... um, so helpful for me in my, on, o- on my personal walk with whether if it's the, from Jonas Brothers to, um, personal things I'm going through that I've expressed with you, and on a bigger scale, just like the days that we live our lives for everyone else and how I'm able to function like a normal human being when I go home at the end of the day. [laughs]
28. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
29. JJJoe Jonas
  So it's been really helpful. So thank you.
30. JSJay Shetty
  No, and I, and I wanna give you some credit for this, because I think a lot of this stuff happens behind the scenes, and people are unaware, especially with someone like you. You've been popular and famous for so much of your life, and, you know, there's so much written about people and so much you hear about people, and there's so much you don't hear. And I think in my line of work, where I get to see the behind the scenes of a lot of people, I, I like to be able to share that, because I think it's important. So
3:31 – 8:35
Creating a bond through meditation
1. JSJay Shetty
  what Joe's talking about, for anyone who's listening or watching back at home, is we did this charity event thanks to, and I want to give a big shout-out to David Johnson.
2. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah.
3. JSJay Shetty
  Right?
4. JJJoe Jonas
  David Johnson.
5. JSJay Shetty
  'Cause David... Yeah, David Johnson. Yeah.
6. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah.
7. JSJay Shetty
  'Cause David knew that, David felt that we would connect, and we did this event for We Day, and it was Joe, Lily Collins, and myself. And Lily and Joe were hosting, and I was asked to teach a meditation. And literally seconds after this meditation finishes live online to thousands of people, I get a message from Joe, like probably, uh, literally in the next couple of hours, saying, "Hey, I'd love to do a meditation like that for my friends." And I'm like, "Cool, that sounds great. Let's do it." And I, and I thought nothing of it. I was like, yeah, that makes sense. He, he obviously enjoyed it. That's great. Love that. And so we did it. So we set it up for that Sunday. I think it was a Sunday.
8. JJJoe Jonas
  Right.
9. JSJay Shetty
  And he set up a Zoom link. He sent me a Zoom link, and we started this thing, and like, maybe... Uh, I can't remember how many people joined the first one, but-
10. JJJoe Jonas
  The first one was probably close to, like, six or seven people.
11. JSJay Shetty
  Oh, was it really? Okay. Right.
12. JJJoe Jonas
  I think it was pretty intimate-
13. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. So-
14. JJJoe Jonas
  ... if I'm, if I'm, am, if I'm correct.
15. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, yeah.
16. JJJoe Jonas
  And then cut to, you know, after the first few weeks, more people started to join, and there was always the same 10. But for sure-
17. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
18. JJJoe Jonas
  ... sometimes it was like 30 people were on the Zoom.
19. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
20. JJJoe Jonas
  And all different walks of life, people from all over the world. Obviously, when we're in proper lockdown, um, and a lot of things were happening in the world, it was really the best thing to have at, at the end of your week or the beginning of your week, to just get together and meditate with people, and then have a discussion, whether peop- And you were so kind, and you've al- still, we still do this, so you're still so kind to take time out of your [laughs] crazy schedule to answer any questions or even give advice, and sometimes it's just an open floor to talk and express how everybody's feeling, and it was so helpful for me. But it's also, I think, really g- uh, been a wonderful experience to give back to all my friends and, or at least to be able to present a comfortable place where they can just, uh, be themselves and talk about their emotions and not feel embarrassed about it. And i- it's been incredible.
21. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. The impressive part to me, though, was, and obviously you gave me beautiful friends and family and people like Greg, and, you know, Vanessa Hudgens has been on the show. I met her through the-
22. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah
23. JSJay Shetty
  ... Zen Zone. Uh, she talked about how she met Cole through the Zen Zone.
24. JJJoe Jonas
  I mean, she literally met Cole-
25. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
26. JJJoe Jonas
  ... her boyfriend, uh, her now boyfriend, who played, he played for the Pittsburgh Pirates for years, and our, my good friend Christo invited him one day.
27. JSJay Shetty
  Christo, of course, yeah.
28. JJJoe Jonas
  So he invited him one day on the Zoom- And then, yeah, then Vanessa met Cole through the Zoom. Like, and so-
29. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
30. JJJoe Jonas
  ... there's been, like, romance that's come from this, but it's, um, it's really special.
8:35 – 17:02
When did you start to work on yourself?
1. JSJay Shetty
  When did you start realizing you wanted to work on yourself? Like, when was that, like, a idea or a thought, a seed? When did it start?
2. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah. There was a, there's been a few hurdles that I, I felt like I probably need to take care of [laughs] myself physically, mentally. I think the biggest one that comes to mind, many years ago I released a solo album. So I did a, a record alongside with my brothers. Um, we kind of all started to feel like we had separate personal interests professionally. And I made an album that I'm really proud of now. I like it even more than I used to. I think at the time there was a lot of cooks in the kitchen. And when you're, like, performing at the level that the Jonas Brothers were back when, and, you know, it was just chaos and craziness and, and number one albums, and the song would break records on YouTube, and things were happening in real time, you kind of think, like, "All right. This is the norm. Like, this is gonna happen for me, too." And I think that's, like, obviously a really bizarre thing to even think about. But that started to become like, "Oh, okay, anything we touch I think is gonna really take off." Um, and I had kind of a wake-up call when I released this album, and it didn't perform as well as, say, the brothers stuff. And I also forgot that the years and years [laughs] of hard work that we put into the, to the brothers' music to even get to a level where that many people are listening to our songs. And I took it really hard, but I didn't realize how I actually felt in the moment. I, I figured, "Okay, well, I, I'll just get back on the road and, you know, start promoting this." And I, I had, like, a bit of, like, a lifespan with this album. I knew that the next brothers project or TV show or something was right around the corner. So I had about a year and a half to really focus in on this album called Fast Life. And I was in, I was here in New York, um, after the album was out, and it didn't really do much. And started reading reviews, started seeing the reactions, and it hit me like a, a ton of bricks. And I started feeling, like, physically ill. And I really told myself, and I believed that I was sick. So I would go to the doctor. I started going to the doctor, like, every other week, and then it became, like, every week. And it was almost like a joke with my friends. We're like, "Oh, Sunday funday, Joe's [laughs] going to the hospital again to get a checkup." And I would do, like, full body checkups and look at the doctor and be like, "Doc, like, you gotta... Like, all right." I would do ultrasounds on my stomach. I would... It became a thing where it was comical, 'cause I'm like, I, I'm, I'm a hypochondriac. I'm just, I'm overthinking these symptoms or, um, creating this in my mind. And one doctor finally just said to me, they're like, "Have you thought or spoken to a therapist?" And I was like, "Me? No. Why would I, why would I ever need therapy? Life is great"
3. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
4. JJJoe Jonas
  And, um, it kind of just hit me after I left, and I was like, "Oh my, like, oh my God. Maybe they're right." Like-
5. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
6. JJJoe Jonas
  ... the, the doctor's like, "I have all of your results here from the last, like, three visits, and you have nothing wrong with you physically. Like, you're, you're in great health, but obviously there's something going on." And she's like, "Um, I would th- I would... This is what I would suggest." So sure enough, I started seeing somebody, and I was like, "Oh, this is, this is why." Bef- right before that window where I started speaking to somebody, I, I would be... I was here in New York, and I'd go on these bike journeys And I would ride my bike from, like, 8:00 in the morning to 8:00 at night and stopping along the way. But it was like an escape for me, and I, I f- and I wasn't able to look at my phone. I wasn't able to think about, uh, the album. I wasn't e- uh, I was just kind of checking out. So I was, like, still running away, avoiding the problems, but I thought this was, like, oh, this is what I needed.
7. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
8. JJJoe Jonas
  The minute I got off the bike, I'm feeling sick again, and-
9. JSJay Shetty
  Wow
10. JJJoe Jonas
  ... so I started talking to a therapist and really dove into all of that pain and trauma that I created for myself. And, and it, it was weird that it stemmed from something as simple as, like, oh, the album didn't do as well as I thought. Which you think, like, it's not the biggest deal in the world, but I think in my brain, I was pushing myself so hard, and I had these expectations really set high. That brought me into the walk of therapy and then the walk of meditation with you, and I mean, that's years and years later. But, um, that's how I started kind of saying-
11. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
12. JJJoe Jonas
  ... "Okay, I think I need to take care of myself, and I'm not this 15-year-old kid anymore that can just run, run, run, run, run and be fine."
13. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, and it's a- it's amazing actually the other way around, too. I don't know if you've ever thought about it this way, but it's like you said, like, "Oh, I shouldn't have maybe felt that bad that this solo album didn't do so well." But it's like, how old were you when you did the solo album?
14. JJJoe Jonas
  I was probably about 21-
15. JSJay Shetty
  Right
16. JJJoe Jonas
  ... 22 years old. Yeah.
17. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
18. JJJoe Jonas
  So-
19. JSJay Shetty
  And so it's like you're still a young-
20. JJJoe Jonas
  A young adult
21. JSJay Shetty
  ... yeah, that's what I mean. You're still in-
22. JJJoe Jonas
  I was, like, figuring it out, you know?
23. JSJay Shetty
  Exactly, and you're still... And that's what I wonder. It's almost like going away from something that was a surefire win to try something new and potentially out there and risky and moving away from, like, a, you know, tried and tested-
24. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah
25. JSJay Shetty
  ... formula of the Brothers actually requires a lot of courage, and most people try and hang on to what's tried and true and would be scared to do what you did. And so I think there's also a lot of, like-
26. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah, it took a long time-
27. JSJay Shetty
  ... courage
28. JJJoe Jonas
  ... to come to that realization.
29. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, yeah.
30. JJJoe Jonas
  You know, I... Those, like, trend words flash in your brain. Like, I saw a headline like, ooh, failure, and I took that word, and that was my identity of that album.
17:02 – 22:25
Respect for individual creativity
1. JSJay Shetty
  Like, how has your personal creative process changed since then? Like, how have you adapted since the first round of the Brothers to doing your own thing to now-
2. JJJoe Jonas
  Wow
3. JSJay Shetty
  ... doing... Yeah, like, how's, how have you changed that?
4. JJJoe Jonas
  Well, it's changed quite a bit. I feel like with DNCE, I had... And for those that are listening or watching, I'm in a band as well with my brothers-
5. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
6. JJJoe Jonas
  ... called DNCE. Um, we have a, a song, Cake by the Ocean, was our first song I wrote for the, the band with Justin Tranter, and-
7. JSJay Shetty
  Great song.
8. JJJoe Jonas
  Thank you.
9. JSJay Shetty
  Great on stage.
10. JJJoe Jonas
  And that song and the way it took off actually was the first bit of feeling of, okay, this other style of music that I really love to create, I can also pursue and, and follow this butterfly and see where it takes me because I can bring this back to the Brothers. So I've been able to go on my own and I think grow as a writer and a producer and, and, and creator, uh, and have that time and then bring it back, and I, and it's really great now. We have such respect for our individual ways of writing-
11. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
12. JJJoe Jonas
  ... and producing and, and when Nick and I wrote our most recent album We had, like, two different rooms going. So Nick was writing something with, um, somebody, and I had another room going, and we kind of, like, brought the best of and then came to the table and said, "Here's what I'm thinking, here's what I'm thinking," and we, like, kind of worked together. We used to just argue our way through songwriting sessions or, "Everybody wants the chorus," you know?
13. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
14. JJJoe Jonas
  It's like, "I want the chorus. My voice sounds good on this." And we're like, "Oh, I really want to sing this because I kinda think it relates to something I'm going through more."
15. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
16. JJJoe Jonas
  And it's... That was just like, now it's quite nice that we're meeting each other really at the same place. Um-
17. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
18. JJJoe Jonas
  ... you know, we're all fathers. We're all in this great place where, like, not... It's not like one brother's, like, trying to find the next yacht party and one's, like, tucking the kids into bed. It's like we're really actually living the same place in our lives, and that makes a huge difference when it, when it comes to the music, I think.
19. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, yeah.
20. JJJoe Jonas
  And the new music, it feels that, uh, lyrically, and we can actually tell this grown-up story and, and that's essential.
21. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. That's so exciting to hear, actually, to hear about how if you're working in a team when you're in a similar place in life, often there's a bit more empathy, there's a bit more understanding.
22. JJJoe Jonas
  Definitely.
23. JSJay Shetty
  There's a bit more-
24. JJJoe Jonas
  I, I think it's, it's comparable to, like, any career path.
25. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
26. JJJoe Jonas
  I mean, if, if you're writing a film with a, a, a good friend, and one wants to write a love story and the other's like, "No, I wanna write a war film," and that's, that's that. There's gonna be no love in it. It's, like, definitely, like, gonna be tough.
27. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. [laughs]
28. JJJoe Jonas
  You know? And so I think we felt that-
29. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
30. JJJoe Jonas
  ... when we wrote songs.
22:25 – 26:18
Venturing into acting
1. JSJay Shetty
  for a long time. What was it that even gave that shift? When I heard you were acting and... Because you'd... Just for everyone to realize, too, you'd be on set. Like, you'd be in all these random locations then, like, logging into s-
2. JJJoe Jonas
  [laughs]
3. JSJay Shetty
  ... Zen Zone on your phone and, like... But what was, what brought that transition about? Like, where were, where did that impetus come from or, like, where did that excitement come from?
4. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah. Well, uh, when I was much younger, I always wanted to act. I always wanted to... Like, I always put on a show in our basement. I had the Joe Show, and it was, like, a talk show that I'd put on and imitated, uh, late night talk shows. And then there was a popular TV series on Ni- Nickelodeon called All That that was like a kids' version of SNL.
5. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm.
6. JJJoe Jonas
  And I w- wanted to be a part of that show. I was like, "These kids are allowed to be wacky and fun on TV? This is amazing."
7. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
8. JJJoe Jonas
  Um, and then years later, you know, was doing stuff with Disney. We did Camp Rock.
9. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm.
10. JJJoe Jonas
  And we always, like, dabbled in, in film and TV, and I, and I had opportunities along the way, but music was always my main focus, and that took up a lot of time. In the limited amount of weeks or months of the year that I was making an album or it was a little bit quiet season, we're still, like... We're still working. Um, and not until really the lockdown where, where I saw an opportunity of time and, um, started auditioning and having conversations. I had a conversation with J.D., the director of Devotion, which I, I, I just straight up told him, like, "Look, I know I'm not the first choice. Um, I, I get that simply because I'm, I'm... I don't have the credits to prove that I can do this, but I will work so hard for you. I will prove to you that I can do this." And I sent a self, uh, tape in, and it, it was a life-changing experience.
11. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm.
12. JJJoe Jonas
  I mean, I'm lucky that I'm a part of a film like that, or I should say I'm very grateful that I'm a part of a film like that where I'm surrounded by such great talent, and just soaking it up. I knew day one, s- showing up on set, Jonathan Majors, who plays Jesse Brown, uh, the, one of our leads of the film, I mean, he was in character at the table read in f- his flight suit. And I was like, "Oh, okay. This is [laughs] this is real."
13. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
14. JJJoe Jonas
  And, um, I just felt so excited to just learn.
15. JSJay Shetty
  Wow.
16. JJJoe Jonas
  And, um, it- it's a bit a- addictive because y- when you have somebody that is that in character all the time, it rubs off on you.
17. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
18. JJJoe Jonas
  So, like, all the other guys, we started dressing in 1950s clothes, and then we started... Like, afterwards I still was shaving every day like they were in the Navy, and I just, like, I loved that aspect of it, where you really try to dive in.
19. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, and w- you were working out a lot too, right? Like, I swear during that movie-
20. JJJoe Jonas
  [laughs]
21. JSJay Shetty
  ... you're like this.
22. JJJoe Jonas
  Well, all these... I, I'll tell you what. I showed, I showed, uh, the day the fitting was, I showed up to set and I saw all these photos, mostly just, like, shirtless photos of these actors, and I was like, "Oh, sh- I need to get m-
23. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
24. JJJoe Jonas
  ... I need to get," like I- I thought my two days was, was enough.
25. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. [laughs]
26. JJJoe Jonas
  I was like, "I gotta..." And they're, like, looking at their ages, and I was like, "Man, this guy's like 6, y- 7 years younger than me."
27. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
28. JJJoe Jonas
  I was like, "All right. I gotta keep up with these kids." [laughs]
29. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
30. JJJoe Jonas
  Uh, but yeah, it inspired me to, like, work out.
26:18 – 31:23
Inspiration to develop a good work ethic
1. JSJay Shetty
  Where did that work ethic come from for you? Because that's what I was talking about earlier, right? Like, your discipline, your ability to apply your mind, your consistency. Like, those things are not always common because-
2. JJJoe Jonas
  Sure
3. JSJay Shetty
  ... you know, especially when you're being artistic and creative, sometimes you need spontaneity and you sometimes just have, like, an artistic moment, but you've been able to balance the two. Like, where did that work ethic develop? Like, how early was that? When did that... Was that from parenting? Was that from-
4. JJJoe Jonas
  I-
5. JSJay Shetty
  ... the Brothers? Like, where did that come from?
6. JJJoe Jonas
  You know, I, I, I chop some of it up to my par- my parents. Um, yeah, they worked really hard. I mean, I watched... It didn't really click. I mean, my dad, you know, he was very much in debt, putting his energy, focus, money into the Brothers when we started. I mean, the guy was, like, three, four jobs. He was driving every day from New Jersey. He would drive us to the city to record a song, drive us back. I mean, it's like an hour each way if you're lucky and there's no traffic. And then on weekends he's a minister. [laughs] It's just like-
7. JSJay Shetty
  Wow
8. JJJoe Jonas
  ... juggling a lot of hats, and also catering to, like, an entire church and-
9. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
10. JJJoe Jonas
  ... their stuff. [laughs]
11. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
12. JJJoe Jonas
  Um, so some of that, and also I think just when it comes down to it, I just wanna keep pushing myself, and I also am so grateful that I get to do what I love for a living every day. I wake up and write a gratitude list, and on that list it's usually one of the top four things is I'm grateful that I get to do what I love for a living every single day-
13. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
14. JJJoe Jonas
  ... especially when there's so many people out there and there's so much music constantly coming out. And on the acting side, there's so many great actors out there-
15. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm
16. JJJoe Jonas
  ... that are constantly, you're, you're seeing. And, and to be a part of a film like that or to have music pop up on Spotify, New Music Friday or wherever it may be, I'm like, I am so immensely grateful that I get to do this-
17. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
18. JJJoe Jonas
  ... and continue to get to do this, and that makes me wanna work even much, that much harder because I, I don't wanna just say, "Okay, you know what? The Brothers are big enough. We're playing these big venues. We're, we're..." Like, l- I'll, I'll... It's like, "Great. This is a nice paycheck. I'm, I'm, I'm... You'll see me every year, guys." It's like, "No. I wanna... Like, how do we make this... Like, how do we make the music better? How do we make..." Or bigger. Uh, bigger meaning, like, sonically.
19. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
20. JJJoe Jonas
  And how do we, um, how do we connect more with our fan base and where they're at in their life? Because they're growing up with us, and they have, and it feels so great when we can li- listen to the music and say, "I'm so proud of this because it connects-
21. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
22. JJJoe Jonas
  ... on so many different points." And I'm more, being a part of a film like Devotion, emotionally a beautiful true story, um, and other things that I'm working on, just I try to make sure that I'm really passionate about it.
23. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, yeah, and that comes across, and I love that point you made about your parents. I mean, I think about that often with my parents, who were both immigrants, and my mom moved to London when she was 16 years old-
24. JJJoe Jonas
  Wow
25. JSJay Shetty
  ... which I can't imagine what that feels like. You know, English is not their first language, and then you're starting out from scratch, like nothing. And then when I was... She was, like, making us breakfast, me and my sister, dropping us to school, going to work, g- getting us picked up in the evening, making us dinner. Like, you know-
26. JJJoe Jonas
  Wow
27. JSJay Shetty
  ... just, like, taking care of us. Like, and I just, I always look at my mom's work ethic and I think that's, I can, I feel that similarity where I'm like, "I work this hard because I saw my mom work that hard."
28. JJJoe Jonas
  100, 100%.
29. JSJay Shetty
  And, yeah, I-
30. JJJoe Jonas
  And, like, the humble beginnings, it really is. Like, I'm really glad the way we grew up. Like, I mean, there was a moment where all four boys are in one bedroom, and four boys meaning our youngest at the time was a, the, the youngest brother was-
31:23 – 35:58
Humble beginnings is so essential
1. JSJay Shetty
  I wonder, was arrogance and ego ever a challenge? Was that ever, or was that just like, obviously we all have it when we're young, and it, it goes away? Or was it something that you got more used to with fame? Like, how did y- I just wanna hear your story with that because I feel like... Yeah, it's just special watching you where you are now and just how effortless it is.
2. JJJoe Jonas
  It's, it's interesting because there's been definitely [laughs] times-
3. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
4. JJJoe Jonas
  ... I feel like I've been, um, affected by the feeling of being on stage and feeling larger than life at times. You're like-
5. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
6. JJJoe Jonas
  ... this feeling is like sh- you know, you're... I, I, only way to put it is like the quarterback that wins the high school football game. Like, we're doing it every night on stage, that, that energy. And, um-
7. JSJay Shetty
  People screaming your name and-
8. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah, just it's trippy, you know?
9. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
10. JJJoe Jonas
  And it definitely can affect you and also make you, like, feel out of touch with reality at times. I am really grateful that I have had two guys to do this with.
11. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
12. JJJoe Jonas
  Um, brothers keep you-
13. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
14. JJJoe Jonas
  ... pretty accountable and humble.
15. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
16. JJJoe Jonas
  And we stopped each other around a lot. I think that-
17. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
18. JJJoe Jonas
  ... humble beginnings w- is also essential. Like, don't forget where you came from.
19. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
20. JJJoe Jonas
  And all those things are so easy to just forget.
21. JSJay Shetty
  Totally.
22. JJJoe Jonas
  And just move to LA and get a big house, and like, you're retired.
23. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
24. JJJoe Jonas
  I'm like, "Whatever. Don't talk to me. I'm, I'm, I'm hiding out." And to each their own. I just, um, I still don't know what the ingredient was, but I th- or the magic ingredient-
25. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, yeah
26. JJJoe Jonas
  ... was. But I think it's a bunch of different things. And I think also just getting older and, like, finding my own, like, happiness outside of the brothers, outside of music-
27. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
28. JJJoe Jonas
  ... outside of film or TV.
29. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm.
30. JJJoe Jonas
  Just like on my own personal front of being able to, you know, a bit of separate s- church and state in that sense-
35:58 – 38:41
We’re each other’s best friend
1. JJJoe Jonas
  feeling.
2. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. What, what do you think you've learned by... First, we'll start with being in a relationship. Like, what do you think you learned about yourself or something that you grew by being with Sophie that you didn't have before, like a, a skill, an ability, a mindset, an approach to life? What, what came through that relationship with Sophie that-
3. JJJoe Jonas
  It's not some, like, cute relationship that you just, you have. I've had my fun. I've dated before, plenty. [laughs] But what, what it's just so different with Soph is that, uh, that blew me away, is just like The forgiveness, the, the partner, the friend that I have. Like, we're each other's best friends, and we grow together. I mean-
4. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
5. JJJoe Jonas
  ... so many different amazing experiences that we've had in just five-some years. It's-
6. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
7. JJJoe Jonas
  ... just trippy to us. We're like, "Whoa, we really have lived a life." And, um, uh, it's just been amazing to, like, at times save each other, you know?
8. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
9. JJJoe Jonas
  We've gone through so many heavy things together as a couple and individuals, and to know you have that support no matter what, it's just amazing.
10. JSJay Shetty
  Mm. Yeah, I love hearing that, man. It's beautiful. And, and yeah, I g- I agree with you. There's so many things that you can go on and on about, but yeah, I, I feel the same way. Like, when I met Radhi, it's like I don't think I ever knew what a genuine, like, understanding relationship looked like. Like, I-
11. JJJoe Jonas
  Absolutely
12. JSJay Shetty
  ... yeah, like I feel understood.
13. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah, I remember there was a big moment in our relationship where we were, had a rocky phase, and I, like, called it off, and she was understanding, and that blew my mind-
14. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
15. JJJoe Jonas
  ... that somebody could be-
16. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
17. JJJoe Jonas
  I, and that-
18. JSJay Shetty
  You break up with someone and they understand? Yeah
19. JJJoe Jonas
  ... and I panicked and got back with her, like, right away.
20. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
21. JJJoe Jonas
  But it was the best-
22. JSJay Shetty
  That's amazing
23. JJJoe Jonas
  ... it was the, obviously the best decision ever. I was-
24. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
25. JJJoe Jonas
  ... not the breakup part. That was the dumbest decision.
26. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. Yeah.
27. JJJoe Jonas
  But I, realizing, like, the fact that she would be supportive, and I'm not saying I was in the right in any way. I realized that this person is, loves me so much that they-
28. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
29. JJJoe Jonas
  ... were willing to put aside their stuff for me, and I'm like, "What the," like, "How-
30. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
38:41 – 41:28
Enjoy every moment with your child
1. JSJay Shetty
  what would you say have been the greatest lessons and that, for you or like-
2. JJJoe Jonas
  The greatest, yeah
3. JSJay Shetty
  ... the biggest, yeah, the biggest, the simplest things-
4. JJJoe Jonas
  Sure. The greatest, I mean, there are so many. I got amazing advice before I became a father. Just before becoming a parent, I, I reached out to, like, my favorite people that are parents and the ones that I really respect how they raise their kids. I had a lot of questions for them.
5. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
6. JJJoe Jonas
  But the biggest question was, like, "If you can give me one big piece of advice," and almost all of them, and this is, sounds just kind of cliche, but they were just like, "Literally enjoy every moment because-
7. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
8. JJJoe Jonas
  ... it moves by so fast." And I think about my own father, and I'm thinking, I'm like, you know, he blinks, and I'm, like, his sons are in his 30s, his [laughs] like, most of his sons.
9. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
10. JJJoe Jonas
  And it's just like, and I'm a big kid at heart, and I als- like, I, I encourage other parents to just be a big kid. Another person mentioned, you know, they watched their son... They watched a s- like, somebody walk by with their child over a puddle, and that parent was like, "No, no, we don't jump in puddles." And he was like, "I never wanna be that parent. I wanna be the parent that, like, explores that," because you know what? There's plenty of clothes at home you can change into.
11. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
12. JJJoe Jonas
  And, like, that imagination is so important for-
13. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
14. JJJoe Jonas
  ... for young kids.
15. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
16. JJJoe Jonas
  And I had that growing up, and I wanna be like that. Um, now I understand if you're on your way somewhere fancy, whatever.
17. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
18. JJJoe Jonas
  I get there's, there's obviously times maybe jumping in the puddle is not the always the best, but, like, the message there is-
19. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
20. JJJoe Jonas
  ... imag- imagination is so key. And the, if, if I was ever held back from, like, being wacky and silly and putting a show on for my family or friends in my basement, I wouldn't be where I am today.
21. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
22. JJJoe Jonas
  If I, if I didn't love the music, if I didn't, if I wasn't allowed to listen to music that I listen to, and there's a lot of things, and I get it. That, that's a big question. Those are... I mean, it's a big comment. I-
23. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
24. JJJoe Jonas
  ... there are music, there are certain music I didn't get to listen to it growing up. But I will say, like, I, it molded me to who I am today, and I-
25. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
26. JJJoe Jonas
  ... I think the imagination, uh, thing is so key.
27. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. No, I, I think that's a beautiful point, and it's, it's interesting how that's really coming out in child psychology now. Like, everything you're saying I think is true because we're seeing through the research that when kids are too limited or restricted or put into this, like, rules system of like this is right, and this is wrong, and this is okay, and this isn't. Like, as a child, it, it definitely limits your understanding. I mean, I've been, I've been actually interviewing a ton of people-
28. JJJoe Jonas
  Wow
29. JSJay Shetty
  ... who are, like, child trauma experts or people who've, like, deeply-
30. JJJoe Jonas
  Incredible
41:28 – 43:27
An unforgettable experience with a therapist
1. JSJay Shetty
  And-
2. JJJoe Jonas
  I, I think one of the, the most amazing things I've done, and I have it framed at home. This was one of my first experiences in therapy, and the therapist asked me to write a letter to, like... Essentially they asked me to think about what I see when I, when I'm, like, when you say, "Okay," and I, I'm no therapist, so excuse me for presenting this in a, in a, in a... You probably know this method, but it's like, "I want you to write a letter to yourself as a kid, and I want you to think of that age."
3. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm.
4. JJJoe Jonas
  So for me, it was between ages e- like seven and 10.
5. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
6. JJJoe Jonas
  Um, and they're like, "All right. Now, like, I want you to, like, look at it." There, there was an empty chair. They're like, "I want you to look at the empty chair and really visualize yourself. Like, visualize yourself. Like, what are you wearing? How's your hair look?"
7. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
8. JJJoe Jonas
  "Are you, what are you playing with? Are you, like, sitting there? Are you, are you nervous? Are you distracted?" I'm like, "I can see myself essentially." And then I wrote a letter to myself and, like, to my younger self like, "Oh, yeah, you know, like, maybe don't date this person."
9. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
10. JJJoe Jonas
  Like, whatever. Just, like, funny little things to even, like, personal things. Like, it's okay to, like, be a weirdo. Like, if you get picked on for that, that's cool, and one day these guys are gonna come to your concert. Like, whatever, like-
11. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
12. JJJoe Jonas
  ... just funny things. And then I wrote a letter to myself as an adult, but as the eight-year-old self, and I couldn't get through the le- I mean, I'm bawling, crying, trying to write this letter, and I wrote it with my, the hand I'm not strong, I'm, I'm not very strong with. So I wrote with my left hand, so it's really squibble, uh, like, squiggly. And, ugh, I have the letter framed in my house-
13. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
14. JJJoe Jonas
  ... and it's just such a great reminder to just-
15. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
16. JJJoe Jonas
  ... to be a kid at heart and to, like, not be too hard on ourselves-
17. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
18. JJJoe Jonas
  ... 'cause we're all big kids at the end of the day trying to figure this crazy thing called life out.
19. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, totally. I love that exercise. I think it's such an important one, and it's like everyone should definitely do that.
20. JJJoe Jonas
  Ugh, it's amazing. I mean, I found it to be an emotional thing. Some people find it to be a fun and game, but, uh, whatever it is, I, I loved it and I passed it on.
21. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. No, I think it's so imp- I think it's so powerful. What are
43:27 – 47:08
What’s your daily routine?
1. JSJay Shetty
  other things that, like, we've talked about meditation, of course, and I'd love to know more of your practice now as well, but what are some other habits that you've picked up along the way?
2. JJJoe Jonas
  Sure.
3. JSJay Shetty
  It sounds like you're a collector of, like, these-
4. JJJoe Jonas
  Definitely, yeah
5. JSJay Shetty
  ... you know, like, y- yeah.
6. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah. I f- I, I like to think I'm a collector of-
7. JSJay Shetty
  The gratitude list you talked about.
8. JJJoe Jonas
  Sure, yeah.
9. JSJay Shetty
  You talked about this ki- this letter to kids. We talked about meditation. Like, what are some of the others?
10. JJJoe Jonas
  All collections from other people. Um-
11. JSJay Shetty
  That's, that's good
12. JJJoe Jonas
  ... but I, I think the most recent, our direct- the director of Devotion, JD, right above his monitors, he had, "What do you want them to feel?"
13. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
14. JJJoe Jonas
  And I just fell in love with that little quote, and I wrote it on a mirror in the dressing room, um, that we travel to, and so it wasn't just writing it on some backsta- [laughs]
15. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
16. JJJoe Jonas
  Like, left it for everyone. Um-
17. JSJay Shetty
  Some random bathroom mirror. [laughs]
18. JJJoe Jonas
  And that really helps me before I go onto stage.
19. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
20. JJJoe Jonas
  Like, what do I want them to feel? Especially after, like, a long day-
21. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
22. JJJoe Jonas
  ... let's say your voice is tired, you're mentally drained, or you're like, "All right, we're playing the same show," like, gotta find, like, like, what about... And then that always reminds me of, like, there's somebody out there, that's their favorite song. Or look for that person. Or if I'm tired, like, these people spent all their day getting ready for today. Like, I want them to, like, if I went to a concert and I... It takes me a lot to go see a show, 'cause I, I'm like, "All right, this has gotta be somebody I really wanna see."
23. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
24. JJJoe Jonas
  You wanna see the, what you think is a, you wanna leave going, "That was amazing."
25. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
26. JJJoe Jonas
  Like, how do I bring that for them? And same, like, for our directors. Like, what do you want them to feel? And, um, it's really powerful. So I, I, I've st- I've taken that along the way. Um, my morning routine is, I think, pretty locked in now. My streaks are pretty good on my m- meditation app. [laughs]
27. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
28. JJJoe Jonas
  So, like, I pretty much wake up and the first thing I do is meditate. Sometimes it's, like, a, a moving meditation where I'm, like-
29. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm
30. JJJoe Jonas
  ... I can be brushing my teeth or i-, uh, doing something, but I'm, like, in silence and I'm just kind of walking through the steps. And then I write a gratitude list, and it's anywhere from I'm grateful for the beautiful morning, I'm grateful for a cup of coffee, this will keep me going, or to, like, a larger, I'm grateful for my health. Like-
47:08 – 49:37
An interview with Vanessa Bryant
1. JSJay Shetty
  There was an interview with Vanessa Bryant, uh, Kobe's, Bryant's wife-
2. JJJoe Jonas
  Mm
3. JSJay Shetty
  ... after he passed away, and she was telling a story. Actually, I think she was giving a speech, and she told this conversation that she had with Kobe. And she said that, you know, people always asked Kobe why he played when he was injured, or a lot of people didn't know that he played when he was injured. But every time I'd ask him why he played when he was injured, he'd said that, "I played because that person has saved up to come and watch one game, and they want me to play in that game. They came to watch me." And-
4. JJJoe Jonas
  It's unbelievable
5. JSJay Shetty
  ... and, "If I don't play, then they won't have got to see me, and they may not be able to afford to go to another game ever again. And so I'm gonna play even if I'm injured." And every time I think about that, it's exactly what I heard in the essence of what you were saying, that it's like people have come here to see us. It's like, what do you want them to feel? Like, when you live in that way, it's like every show becomes, it's your first time, right?
6. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah.
7. JSJay Shetty
  It feels that way because-
8. JJJoe Jonas
  Definitely
9. JSJay Shetty
  ... it's that person's first time, even if it's not yours. And I think that mindset is so beautiful and so special, and you see it across all these amazing people who, who perform for a living, who are doing this week in, week out. And the fact that you share that, it, it speaks volumes for anyone out there who's wanting a career in this light, whatever it may be, any career that's on stage- You've got to have that in your heart because otherwise it gets really boring, really unfulfilling, and really dry really quickly. So anyway, you, you reminded me of that. Um-
10. JJJoe Jonas
  No, it was a beautiful story
11. JSJay Shetty
  ... yeah, glad to share it.
12. JJJoe Jonas
  What a legend. He had found strength even when he's injured.
13. JSJay Shetty
  Injured.
14. JJJoe Jonas
  It's just, it's amazing.
15. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, it's amazing. But, but I like that of what do you want to make people feel. I think that that's such a great way to live. Like you've just-
16. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah
17. JSJay Shetty
  ... given a mantra for life.
18. JJJoe Jonas
  I know.
19. JSJay Shetty
  Like, even if you're not a performer.
20. JJJoe Jonas
  I know. I feel like it's just in general being more present with somebody. I mean, you know, there's, there's times where like you can't really even bring a lot to the table, literally dinner table.
21. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
22. JJJoe Jonas
  Somebody calls you and says, "Hey, you want to get dinner tonight?" And you've been running, running, running, and you're like, "I don't think I can give you 100% of myself mentally-
23. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
24. JJJoe Jonas
  ... or physically even, like, just to be in your presence. Like, I just, I, it's okay to give you the rain check. Some pass on the rain check. Sometimes you're just like, "I, I want you to be able to have my full attention"
25. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm.
26. JJJoe Jonas
  And, um, I try to put that into play more often.
49:37 – 52:53
Sometimes it better to reach out first
1. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. How have you managed to keep so many good relationships? Like, during this busy career or hectic career, like it's, most people end up becoming lonely and successful, right? And when we did Zen Zone, I got to meet all these wonderful human beings.
2. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah.
3. JSJay Shetty
  And it wasn't just people in the industry, like it wasn't like a, I just send a note out, and whoever comes. It was like these are people that know you and you know, and-
4. JJJoe Jonas
  Definitely
5. JSJay Shetty
  ... like when we would talk and, like, you know, there'd be banter back and forth, and you could tell that there was a real relationship. Of course, there's band mates there. There's-
6. JJJoe Jonas
  Sure, yeah
7. JSJay Shetty
  ... there's people. But it's like how have you man- I'm intrigued by that idea because I think it's less common, and I think it's fascinating that it's not just the amount. First of all, you have a quantity of relationships as well, but they're also quality as well. Like, w- what did you do to do that?
8. JJJoe Jonas
  I've had the same kind of friend crew for a long time. Um, I think the older you get, your, your friends gets tighter.
9. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
10. JJJoe Jonas
  Uh, some of which, like you said, I'm lucky that I get to work with some of my friends. I mean, that's sometimes a dangerous game.
11. JSJay Shetty
  Exactly, yeah. [laughs]
12. JJJoe Jonas
  But I think we've, we've worked long enough where we've like-
13. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
14. JJJoe Jonas
  ... we're still friends even if w- we've gone and done different career paths and come back together, but-
15. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm
16. JJJoe Jonas
  ... um, I think it's been essential just to get, uh, I think I n- I always need FaceTime, and I don't mean by FaceTime on the phone. I'm like literally FaceTime with that person, um, or people, and I, I, I think it's really important for the relationship and just checking in, you know?
17. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm.
18. JJJoe Jonas
  I think it's so interesting how somebody gave me this advice years ago. When we see our friends, like, going through something, um, or we know they're going through a, a loss in the family or a situation that's pretty heavy, and we usually you think like, "Uh, I don't want to bother them right now", and a lot of people are thinking that more than y- you, you would think.
19. JSJay Shetty
  Mm-hmm.
20. JJJoe Jonas
  And how easy it is to pick up the phone or just shoot a text. Um, I've been trying to implement, implement that a little bit more. I'm still not great at it, but I definitely know that, like, it's something that I have felt on the other side when I'm going through something kind of heavy and, like, people might go like, "Ah, I just want to give them space. Maybe they need, eh, maybe I shouldn't pretend like I know what's..." It's like it's k- somewhat nice to, to be reached out to or to reach out.
21. JSJay Shetty
  That's beautiful, man, and, and I know you do that. I think that's the thing.
22. JJJoe Jonas
  I try to.
23. JSJay Shetty
  When I- I'm sitting in this interview, and the whole time I've been thinking like this guy actually does everything he's saying he does, and it's-
24. JJJoe Jonas
  [laughs]
25. JSJay Shetty
  ... I genuinely respect it.
26. JJJoe Jonas
  Well, I appreciate it.
27. JSJay Shetty
  It's, it's so hard to, to really walk your talk. It's so hard to, like, really emphasize. I r- you know, I r- I remember even, you know, just when, when we were traveling together last year for that, for a couple of the shows, and it was just, you know, you were going through so many family things as well in between.
28. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah.
29. JSJay Shetty
  And it's like you were constantly there and available and trying to make sure, you know, trying to figure it out, and, like, that was what you guys were talking about. Like, you know, so you could tell just how much love and how much connection there was there with the, you know, with family and-
30. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah
52:53 – 57:29
Keeping relationships as healthy as much as possible
1. JSJay Shetty
  family. Like, if you had to give, not advice, but your reflection on, like, what keeps family to- get together despite so many differences, despite doing business together-
2. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah
3. JSJay Shetty
  ... just, like, what have you, what have you come up with? Because there, there has to be something that keeps someone after all this time, like, inspired to keep family together when it... and it's not just business, right? It's more than that.
4. JJJoe Jonas
  I think we learned a while back that if it's just business 24/7, which it was, like, it would implode, which it did. We broke up as a band, and we wanted pretty much nothing to do with each other for a while, and when we decided to get back together as a band, there was a lot of like, "All right, we have a lot to work through", and we did. But once we stepped back into this crazy world of, uh, of what we do, we made sure that we tried to take some time just for us-
5. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
6. JJJoe Jonas
  ... as brothers, as a family. Like, go on trips together. Like, let's, let's, man, let's not talk about work, and it's weird 'cause work is also, like, what we love.
7. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
8. JJJoe Jonas
  So music does come up, but there are moments where we're like, "Let's just go ski together."
9. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
10. JJJoe Jonas
  "Let's go play golf." I mean, golf is kind of our-
11. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
12. JJJoe Jonas
  It's the one thing I guess we all can relate on.
13. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
14. JJJoe Jonas
  I'm not... I mean, we just went and played golf for Nick's birthday. I mean, this guy can, plays like 36 holes in one day, and then he's like, "All right, cool. We're gonna do that 7:00 AM tomorrow." I'm like, "Buddy, I need a break."
15. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
16. JJJoe Jonas
  Um, so we, we have hobbies outside of-
17. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, yeah
18. JJJoe Jonas
  ... work that I think that's essential for us, and even, like, with our, my parents and stuff, like, just hanging out, you know?
19. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
20. JJJoe Jonas
  Let's, let's, let's, let's challenge each other without talking about business 'cause we're still, like, in a business with our dad at times. We're in and out always. Like, it, it always, uh- We can't help ourselves because we all love music, we all love what we do, we love supporting each other. But it is nice to, to say, "You know what? Let's just not talk about... Let's just do something as a family or as friends, as brothers, and keep that relationship healthy as much as we can." [laughs]
21. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah. Joe, you've been so generous with your time. I want everyone who's listening and watching to know that it's currently Friday night, and it's 8:24 PM. Uh, Joe's had a busy day-
22. JJJoe Jonas
  I'm at the best bar in town
23. JSJay Shetty
  ... to, to-
24. JJJoe Jonas
  I'm with Jay Shetty. Yeah.
25. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs] Tomorrow, you're performing at Global Citizen.
26. JJJoe Jonas
  Yeah.
27. JSJay Shetty
  Which-
28. JJJoe Jonas
  It's gonna be really, uh, exciting. Global Citizen s- at Central Park.
29. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
30. JJJoe Jonas
  I have never played the show.
57:29 – 1:01:36
Final Five with Joe
1. JSJay Shetty
  every interview with a Final Five. Uh, and these are fast five, so one word to one sentence maximum.
2. JJJoe Jonas
  Ooh.
3. JSJay Shetty
  Uh, so you gotta be on your toes, which you're very good at. So here are your Final Five, Joe Jonas. Uh, the first question is, what is the best advice you've ever received?
4. JJJoe Jonas
  There's a lot. I mean, I think this has been essential for, uh, growing up. Our, our dad always said, "Live like you're at the bottom, bottom, even if you're at the top."
5. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
6. JJJoe Jonas
  Not saying I'm at the top, and I never was, but I, I, I think I've gotten to a place where I could be feeling myself.
7. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
8. JJJoe Jonas
  And that's been h- that brought-
9. JSJay Shetty
  That's a great piece of advice
10. JJJoe Jonas
  ... you know, full circle back to humble beginning conversation.
11. JSJay Shetty
  That's a great piece of advice. All right, we never had that on the show. I love it. Uh, question number two: What's the worst advice you've ever heard?
12. JJJoe Jonas
  "This isn't gonna hurt," and then, um, I got my first tattoo.
13. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs] That's true.
14. JJJoe Jonas
  [laughs]
15. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, that was bad advice. I like that. All right. Question number three, uh: What's something you used to value that you don't value anymore?
16. JJJoe Jonas
  And maybe it's just for the time being, but social media.
17. JSJay Shetty
  Mm.
18. JJJoe Jonas
  I mean, I- I've taken this break. I realized it's really-
19. JSJay Shetty
  Mm
20. JJJoe Jonas
  ... needed for my life.
21. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah, yeah.
22. JJJoe Jonas
  Taking a little time off, and just nice to be aware and present. And so I thought that was, like-
23. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah
24. JJJoe Jonas
  ... just 40 minutes of my day, in the day, just scrolling myself to be-
25. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
26. JJJoe Jonas
  ... you know, to bed.
27. JSJay Shetty
  Yeah.
28. JJJoe Jonas
  And being like, "Now I'm dreaming about goats laughing on a mountain. Why?"
29. JSJay Shetty
  [laughs]
30. JJJoe Jonas
  Um, great dream. But, you know, it's like I-