EVERY SPOKEN WORD
80 min read · 15,967 words- 0:00 – 1:15
Intro
- JSJay Shetty
[instrumental music] Kris Jenner, welcome to-
- KJKris Jenner
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
... On Purpose.
- KJKris Jenner
I'm so excited to be here. My kids have come before me-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... to get the lay of the land, and well, you know, we love you dearly. I'm such a huge fan. Love listening to the podcast, love listening to anytime I get the opportunity to see you online giving a motivational speech or, you know, uh, different things that you do. It's so inspirational to me, and I know how much my girls love you. So I had to come see for myself-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... what was going on over here.
- JSJay Shetty
Well, as I was saying, Kris, you and your family have been so gracious and kind to me from day one.
- KJKris Jenner
Thank you.
- JSJay Shetty
I remember the early days of Chloe sharing something that I'd done in 2019, or Kendall starting to follow me and then connecting.
- KJKris Jenner
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
And then Kim has just been amazing over the last couple of years.
- KJKris Jenner
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
And finally getting to meet
- 1:15 – 2:38
Welcome Kris Jenner
- JSJay Shetty
you. And I, and I wanna start with this because I remember when I came over for dinner-
- KJKris Jenner
Uh-huh
- JSJay Shetty
... and everyone afterwards was like, "What was it like going to Kris' house for dinner?" And like, and I was like... And it was me, you, and Kendall. And I said to everyone, I was like, "I felt like I was at my friend's mom's house." I was like, "All you wanted to do was make sure I'd eaten enough-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... and make sure I was well-fed and taken care of."
- KJKris Jenner
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
And I was so touched by just that amazing energy that you have of making everyone feel at home, making everyone feel welcome.
- KJKris Jenner
Aw.
- JSJay Shetty
And whenever I see you, whether it's at a party or an event or one of our mutual friends' birthdays that we were just at-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... I, I always just feel so happy when we're talking. So thank you so much, truly. It means the world.
- KJKris Jenner
Oh.
- JSJay Shetty
It, it really does.
- KJKris Jenner
Well, thank you for having me. It really means the world to me. And I really enjoyed that night because I got to know you a little bit more on a personal level, and just heard about what you were all about, what your intentions are with people, and how you wanna help people and, and bring people together, um, in a world where everybody's torn apart. Especially in the last decade or so, how crazy everything seems. I think for us to have that beacon of [laughs] , of someone we can look up to, to say, "Now, hold on, you know, let's look at this a different way," and try to find something peaceful in all of it. And so for that, I appreciate you so much.
- JSJay Shetty
Thank you. Well, I wanna get to know the Kris-
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, boy
- JSJay Shetty
... that,
- 2:38 – 8:49
Growing Up with Strong Women
- JSJay Shetty
that, uh, that I believe we forget existed.
- KJKris Jenner
Ah.
- JSJay Shetty
Because today we live in a world where we're so preoccupied with what everyone does today, we forget how they became and how they were created.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And I wanted to ask you, what's a childhood memory that you remember that you feel defines who you are today?
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, my goodness, a childhood memory. Well, I think, you know, growing up, I just, I was really raised by my mom and my grandmother, and two really strong businesswomen who worked and, and showed me that, how powerful that can be. Um, just, not just out there in the world to show others, but for yourself, like how to, how to be somebody that you were really proud of, but also provided for their families, and then taught their children and grandchildren how to be strong, intelligent, caring, you know, loving moms, but also, you know, w- you know, working women who really were of a different generation. You know, when my mom was, um, very young, when she was in her 20s, she had me when she was 20, my grandmother was 40, and, you know, I was just born. And so w- there's always been a 20-year age difference, and then of course, 40 years with my grandmother. And they taught me that working and having a career was just part of our lifestyle and our family. And that meant so much to me because they were so, such an inspiration. And my mom also showed me what it was like to, you know, get dressed up every day. She loved fashion. She loved, "This is how you want to present yourself to the world every day." Like, how do you wanna look when you go to third grade? [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
You know? Or, or even junior high or high school. And it really was something when I look back on it now, I'm so proud of those two women who raised me, because they showed me what it's like to, you know, have a career and, and how to take care of a home, and what it was like to be married, what it was like to have children. And I know when I was 16 years old, I really realized, that's when I knew I wanted to have a lot of kids.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And I actually had the number six in my head at that very early age.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow, really?
- KJKris Jenner
Uh-huh. I used to think, "I'm gonna have six kids." And then when I ended up getting divorced and I had four kids, I thought, "Boy, was I off a couple of kids."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
And then I ended up having two more. But growing up with, with the family I grew up with, I felt, I do feel so blessed-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... to have had a very privileged, caring, loving home and childhood. And I think it's something that I'll always be grateful for. And I talk to my mom, who's 91, about it all the time. I think, I always thank her for all the sacrifices and working late. And sometimes, you know, she n- wasn't necessarily, you know, at home when I got home from school with chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven and making me, you know, a, a roast beef dinner. But she was there working her ass off, you know, for, for me and my sister, and for that. And then my grandmother, you know, lived across the street.So my grandmother was doing all the, the grandma things.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
And so it really gave me a good sense of family, unity, um, closeness. You know, it fed my spirituality because I went to church every Sunday and was, you know, um, had, you know, communion and all the things that you do as a young girl whose mom is taking them to church every Sunday-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... and teaching you all the things. And it was a huge part of my life, that, that childhood of just being, not only... I had so many friends and went to public school, which was down the street. My mom's priority when I was a child was always move next to the school because you can walk to school. So we were walking to school, not a care in the world. We had no seat belts in the cars. Driving around in the back of my mom's, my mom had a convertible T-Bird when I was a little girl, and throw us in the back on a shelf, and we'd be bouncing around. And by the way, I did the same thing with my kids, Kourtney and Kimberly, when I had them, and Khloe, and then Robert. Everyone in the back of the station wagon.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
No seat belts, just 15 kids in the back section shoved together like sardines, taking everybody everywhere.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
So, so many memories of things that were so different-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... from, I remember my first color TV when, and where I lived and what house. I could, like, imagine what corner of the room it was in and how exciting that was. So, you know, I can also remember getting my first iPhone, you know? [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
I mean, talk about bizarre.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
You know, the c- the contrast of the two and the different-
- 8:49 – 11:24
Doing Your Best in Every Role
- JSJay Shetty
it because I love that your mother and your grandmother were just such big influences and role models in your life.
- KJKris Jenner
Huge.
- JSJay Shetty
What, what work did they do? What were they doing at the time? Were they-
- KJKris Jenner
My grandmother was an accountant and then later opened a candle store called The Candelabra in La Jolla, California. And my mom opened another candle store, um, nearby-
- JSJay Shetty
They were entrepreneurs
- KJKris Jenner
... on Gerard Street. And they were entrepreneurs, and they got up every morning at 5:00. And they had a routine, and they had structure, and they had their coffee and had breakfast and got dressed, like, to the nines, you know?
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
Like, gorgeous. Went to work, worked all day. Were so... You know, it's very satisfying to end the day with a full day's work under your belt. You feel like you've really accomplished something. And I knew that feeling because I lived it my whole life, so it was kind of embedded in me that I too couldn't wait to have a career or start working.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
I mean, my first job was I worked in my grandmother's candle store, and I was the gift wrapper.
- JSJay Shetty
Oh. [laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
And I would be... I was 12 years old, and I loved to go to work with my grandmother and my mom. And, but I was at my grandmother's store, and she'd put me in the back room, and she taught me how to gift wrap and make bows. And I was the best gift wrapper I could possibly be.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
And I made the most beautiful bows, in my mind-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... on the planet. And she taught me that no matter what you do, you do the best job you can possibly do.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
If you... And she was the one who, I had to brush my teeth for some reason a lot when I was young. Every time I had anything to eat, "Brush your teeth. Brush your teeth" But she had this rule that if you brushed your teeth at my grandmother's house, then you had to clean the sink with, like, Comet or Ajax or one of those crazy-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... t- things. And I would scrub that sink like it was-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... like, my only... You know, polish, polish, polish. And she would sit there and say, "You have the most beautiful hands. You ha-" She would just give me these mo- the most sweetest compliments-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... about, and then said, "You, you are really the best sink washer in the family." [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
And I was like, "Wow, okay" You know? So it gave me confidence that if you really... You know, she taught i- taught me that no matter how big or small the job, just do the best you can.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And you'll be praised for it, and that just instilled something in me.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. What an-
- KJKris Jenner
And then, of course, I tortured my own children.
- 11:24 – 12:51
Family Traditions and Christmas Joy
- KJKris Jenner
their eyes.
- JSJay Shetty
Were they as good as you? Were they as good as you?
- KJKris Jenner
Of course not.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
No. I'm the best s- sink scrubber you'll ever see.
- JSJay Shetty
Do you, do you still wrap Christmas presents, birthday presents, gift wrap?
- KJKris Jenner
Every, all day long.
- JSJay Shetty
Is the bow still-
- KJKris Jenner
I wrapped one this morning before I came here.
- JSJay Shetty
No way.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah. I didn't do a bow-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... because it was a different kind of a package.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
But I think my kids really, we have a big contest during the holidays.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
And at Christmas, it's like, who's got the best wrapping paper?
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
But we don't tell each other what gift wrap we're doing. We like it to be a surprise. Well, I do Christmas morning, and all the kids' gifts are dropped off at my house. And we all have a section, like, you know, of there, and so we know, oh, these are all Kim's gifts because they're wrapped like... Well, she stopped by my house last year-Because she wanted to check out how her gifts looked to make sure they were positioned perfectly, right?
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
I'm like, "Oh, Lord." So she comes by, and little did I know, she whips out her phone, and she starts doing like it was either a live or something on Instagram, and she shows the entire world all of our packages.
- JSJay Shetty
Oh.
- KJKris Jenner
So now all the sisters and everybody knew and-
- JSJay Shetty
What your... Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah. Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
So she gave it away.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And then?
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah. So these are just all the pranks I think-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- 12:51 – 16:24
Lessons from Humble Beginnings
- JSJay Shetty
I remember when we were speaking when I came over, you were talking about you being an air hostess as your, one of your earliest jobs.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah, I was a flight attendant.
- JSJay Shetty
Flight attendant.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
I, I went from the candle store, and I learned so much there, and then I worked at the donut shop by my house in University City in San Diego. And I would take... I- my job was to get there before school and before I had to get on the bus to go to high school or junior high school, I guess. And I would take a, a scraper and scrape the glaze off of the floor that the donuts... You know, when they were glazing the donuts, there would be this glaze all over the floor, and I would scrape the glaze off of the floor, and that was my job every morning before school. And I then worked at my mom's store again, and then I applied to be a flight attendant for American Airlines, and that was an amazing job. But looking back on that, I learned so much from that job. So every single thing I did, I learned enormous organizational skills and people skills and social intelligence and, you know, some other skills like how to pour a great cup of coffee-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... and how to, you know, serve people and how to interact with people, and personal service business is incredibly demanding. You know? And now I look at all of p- the people in that kind of a business a different way and have so much respect for that kind of a career.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
But I learned a lot along the way of how to deal with people, and I think that w- working from a young age and continuing up to this day, I learned a thing or two about, um, so many different things that you wouldn't think would apply to later in life.
- JSJay Shetty
Tell me some of this.
- KJKris Jenner
You know? Well, just, I mean, organizational skills, for one, and how to keep calendars and how to be on time and how to be 15 minutes early and how to negotiate and how to get what you think you want or deserve from an employer. I, I know one of my things I talk about is if somebody says, "No, you're talking to the wrong person."
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And I learned that if I got a no from these three people in scheduling, for example, with American Airlines, then I would go to another person and s- you know, try my best charm-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... you know, that I could possibly think of, you know, of what were all the reasons why I should fly this flight to get to LA, you know, to see who I wanted to see. And you just hone different life skills at the different things you do at a young age, especially in the workforce, and it's really amazing. You never quite know what or where life is gonna lead you-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... and where it's gonna be the best lesson you ever learned.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
And that's what, just to expect nothing but breathe in everything. Like, just-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
Like, I was so... I was like a sponge, and I think I just had to surrender to the process, if you know what I mean.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
It, it was just like I knew instinctively I'm on a learning journey, and I'm going to get the most out of these experiences that I possibly could-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... at the time. And I knew that. I really did know that intelligently and in the moment, and I don't know why.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
But I just knew I had to pay attention.
- 16:24 – 20:42
The Power of Slowing Down
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. I think that's such an important lesson in what you're saying for everyone who's listening. I feel like we've done a disservice to a lot of young people today, where we believe it's all about finding the perfect job or launching the perfect company.
- KJKris Jenner
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
And actually, from your experience, what you're saying is, "I learned a lot from the candle store. I learned a lot from scraping glaze-
- KJKris Jenner
Well, it took a long time
- JSJay Shetty
... off the floors. I learned a lot from being a flight attendant." It's like each of these experiences, even though they weren't your perfect job or your ideal life-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... they were really valuable lessons that have made you the powerful leader you are.
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, incredible. It developed who I am, uh, and was at that time and then came to be all through each decade.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And the more I, you know, went through life and was knocked down or brought up or had, you know, experiences and, and, and had these things that I went through, I think added to... But I also believe that everything happens for a reason. I'm very spiritual. I pray about everything before I do it, and I learned that, a lot about that from a very young age, and it just really, um, has helped me through so many great times and so many, you know, challenging times. But I also think that I come from a place now in this decade of great gratitude.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And I think that's what people don't, um, always experience daily. I think it's been a learning experience for me. Of course, I'm grateful. Of course, I have gratitude for everything that I... My life is this beautiful life with my beautiful family, and I couldn't ask for more. But to really be conscious of being grateful has been something I've worked on for the last few years and try to be more present because we can be so easily distracted-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... with... And, and everybody's going so fast, and I feel like everybody needs to slow down.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KJKris Jenner
You know?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
It's so fast. And I, I see the younger generationThe, I think the, the younger one than the next one down from Kendall and Kylie. I don't remember [laughs] what they're called anymore.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] Yeah, Gen Z and Gen Alpha.
- KJKris Jenner
Okay.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
Alpha.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, Alpha.
- KJKris Jenner
I guess it's Alpha.
- JSJay Shetty
Kendall and Kylie are Gen Z, I think, just-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... uh, yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
Right. I think the Gen Alpha, it's like I, I wish you could just slow down and experience and be in the moment a little bit more because I always struggled with that. I always onto the next, something to look forward to, that distractions are everywhere. And so then you don't feel what you're living through or going through, and we're so busy taking photos of it or videos of it, we don't sit and feel it or enjoy it. I remember I went to The Sphere the other night, and it was-
- JSJay Shetty
What did you see?
- KJKris Jenner
... Wizard of Oz.
- 20:42 – 24:19
The Trap of Instant Gratification
- JSJay Shetty
great note, and hearing it from your wisdom and years of experience, I, I, it feels different. When I'm sitting with you and I'm listening to you, it feels different hearing it from you. And I was, you were making me think about, there's a meditation practice that I love that I practice when I feel I'm disturbed by the noise.
- KJKris Jenner
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
And it's really simple. It's called 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, and it's let me look at the five things I can see. So you look around this memory, and you look at the colors and the textures-
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, I love that
- JSJay Shetty
... and the shapes and the-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... the visuals, so Wizard of Oz. And then four things you can touch, so it could be your daughter's hand or your mother's hand. It could be-
- KJKris Jenner
Ah
- JSJay Shetty
... the clothes you're wearing, the texture that you can feel, whether it's smooth or harsh. Then it's three things you can hear, two things you can smell, and one thing you can taste.
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, wow.
- JSJay Shetty
And any time I've ever done this, and I was thinking about a particular moment. I went to Bhutan last year, and I was actually teaching this meditation. I can close my eyes today and be back in that place in Bhutan-
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, I love that
- JSJay Shetty
... because it was so real because you took it in.
- KJKris Jenner
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
And so, yeah, to really, to really let it sink in, it's such a... You're, you're absolutely right.
- KJKris Jenner
Well, you know, I think somebody of my age h- has a different perspective because I spent, you know, when I was 22 years old I got married, and 23 had Kourtney, and, you know, the rest is history. But I, there were no cell phones.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
There wasn't a computer. There wasn't a laptop. There wasn't an iPad. There wasn't music on a little box. There wasn't... If you wanted to talk to somebody on the phone, you had to walk into the kitchen and dial a plastic telephone. And if you wanted to know what was at the movies, you dialed a number, like whatever it was, and you found out what was playing at the movies. And if you wanted to know what time it was, you dialed, I think it was 555-1212, and if that's right, I will be so excited-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
[laughs] ... about my memory. But it was, you know, a different time.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And today, with so many things that just supply instant gratification, it's extremely seductive, and I think that it's, it's something like I think about it all the time and I think what a different world, but yet such progress, such amazing... The, the world we live in is wild and amazing. I mean, when I was a, a young girl, a little girl, I used to watch The Jetsons.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm. I remember The Jetsons.
- KJKris Jenner
And it- you kind of remember that? And it was sort of intimating that by the year 2020 we would be flying in cars-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... around, you know, the city.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
You know, we wouldn't even have cars that were on the road anymore.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
And so, you know, we're almost there. [laughs]
- 24:19 – 26:47
Embracing Life at 70
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And you're approaching your 70th birthday-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... which is so exciting.
- KJKris Jenner
Uh-huh.
- JSJay Shetty
And what an incredible milestone. What's this chapter of your life called? If you could name it, what would it be called?
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, my goodness. The Best.The best chapter
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
The be- I'm happy to be here and to really have this beautiful family and just enjoy the ride. Because, like I said, just to be present at, at this time and place, I did learn a lot from my family, from my grandmother and my mom, who both worked until they were in their 80s. And I saw-
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
That's incredible.
- KJKris Jenner
And my mom often says she retired when she was 82, and she often says that really kept her so purposeful.
- JSJay Shetty
Yes.
- KJKris Jenner
And we all wanna find that life of purpose.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KJKris Jenner
But for her, it gave her great purpose, and it great- gave her great joy.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And she was so satisfied with the work she did every day, and got to... You know, I think when somebody has structure and has a schedule and has something to look forward to and has something like that in their life and feels needed and wanted-
- JSJay Shetty
And useful
- KJKris Jenner
... and useful, and that's a very good feeling, and I think that's, that's the road I'm gonna go down. I just wanna, you know, be there-
- JSJay Shetty
So you're not retiring anytime soon. This is, uh-
- KJKris Jenner
Never.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. [laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
Never. No. I love what I do, and I often say, um, this wouldn't be as easy without my entire family and doing what we do together because, um, you know, there's a lot of people out there that have, um, you know, a job in entertainment or in the media or whatever it is, and they, um, have a big career, and they do it by themself, and they're the only one in their family-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... who has that kind of a career or c- kind, kind, that kind of a job. And I thought how lonely it would be if there was just one of us.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
It would be so hard.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- 26:47 – 32:37
Raising Passionate, Independent Children
- JSJay Shetty
to have that. How have you... You know, one thing I've noticed spending time with all of you and having, as I said earlier, Kim, Khloé, and Kendall have all-
- KJKris Jenner
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
... sat in this chair, preparing it for you, there's, there's such a love between everyone in the family.
- KJKris Jenner
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
And of course, there's the fun of the, uh, what's the right word? The fun of the teasing each other and the banter-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... but at the core of it, it's so evident that there's love-
- KJKris Jenner
Um
- JSJay Shetty
... and it's real, and it's, and it's, and it's genuine. How do you create a family in which competition isn't a negative thing and-
- KJKris Jenner
Ah
- JSJay Shetty
... growth is everyone's focus? Because I think what we see across the world is, you know, you have six children, but it's like people may have two, and then you have one person who really ambitious and driven-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... and one person who just wants to-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... hide away. Whereas you've got a family of people who are all ambitious in different ways.
- KJKris Jenner
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
They all have their own fascinations, their own passions, and they're pursuing it-
- KJKris Jenner
Mm-hmm
- JSJay Shetty
... to the best of their ability, which is such a beautiful-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... thing to see. How, how do you create that energy? What, what does that require?
- KJKris Jenner
I think, first of all, when they were very young, I think they learned so much from the examples set by their dad or just myself in different areas, their stepdad, their family, their friends. And we've always had a huge group of family friends, and I think they watch and had great examples set before them. But I think that one of my biggest and strongest desires in my path to, um, the success that they've had is just really helping them along the way identify what was really important to them and they were passionate about. And we threw a lot of spaghetti at the wall.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
Believe me, it was, it was crazy. But when they finally found their, their destiny, their passion, their, the opportunities that came their way that they wanted to embrace and were so happy about, I- you just feel when something's right.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And that, that makes me really happy every time I felt like somebody found their, their, their thing.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
You know? Their, their passion was, was that strong that they were able to really make this something they wanted to focus on. And the determination, the energy they put into it, their work ethic is second to none. And they would get up with this, you know, passion every day at, you know, getting up at 5:00 and, you know, w- getting into the gym and taking care of their, their health and their wellbeing, and then at the same time having kids, raising children, getting to work. You know, it's just they all have such focus and determination, but they also have great structure. They're organized, and then they learn how to find their peace-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... at the same time, which I think is really important. And I think that's something that Kourtney's really good at that, and she's taught the rest of us, you know, like, wait a second, you know, there's, you've gotta, you know, find the peace in all of it, too, and protect your soul. [laughs]
- 32:37 – 35:10
Timeless Parenting Lessons
- KJKris Jenner
time.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. I just wanted to acknowledge how, how hard it is to do that. It's, it's-
- KJKris Jenner
It's hard
- JSJay Shetty
... it's so hard to be able to create a non-competitive, non-envious, non-jealous family space system. I think for-
- KJKris Jenner
It's hard
- JSJay Shetty
... it's, it's not easy and-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... whether it's happened naturally because of all these great values, or whether it's happened through hardship, i- it's probably the most significant achievement that one could ever have, is-
- KJKris Jenner
It's lovely
- JSJay Shetty
... is having, yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
It really is lovely, and I, I'm so proud of them-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... for being there. And if somebody gets into trouble-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... or somebody, you know, needs help with anything, everyone is right there to jump in-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... and make it okay. And it's, it's interesting. They, you know, they're very, very loyal and very, um, protective, and they surround each other with a lot of love.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And the fact that they're also amazing parents is the biggest gift.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
I watch them as, uh, my son has a daughter and, um, everyone except for Kendall has a, you know-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... has a son or a daughter or both, and they're amazing parents. And I often sit and tell them, I'll sit and watch Kylie, um, or Khloe, e- a- all of them, Kim, Rob, um, Kourtney, but I watch them with their kids and I just take it all in and I say, "God, I wish I would've been this good as a parent" [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
With you.
- KJKris Jenner
"With you."
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
Because I feel like they take it to another level. I've never seen anything so amazing literally in my life. I talk to my mom about it all the time. I go, "Can you believe the way they do this and that and the other?" And my mom and I are in awe of what great parents they are. And I think they are... You know, people ask me all the time, "How do we keep our kids as close?" Or, "How do I... " And I think it's just the time you spend and what you focus on and the way that you, you know, spend time with your kids and, and show them that you're never going to y- you know, I didn't have kids-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... to on their 18th birthday kick them out of the house. My girlfriend used to say, "You're too nice. You know, you're not their friend, you're their mother." And I looked at her and I said, "Oh, no, I'm their friend."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- 35:10 – 40:25
Learn to Forgive Those Who Hurt You
- JSJay Shetty
someone that you don't agree with? How do you love someone that you have had-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... something with that didn't work out? And by the way, I'm saying this because I've had private conversations with you where you've-
- KJKris Jenner
Mm-hmm
- JSJay Shetty
... talked to me about these things, and I'm-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... blown away by it.
- KJKris Jenner
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
So I'm like, how do you love someone even when something hasn't-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... worked out the way you want it to?
- KJKris Jenner
Right. Um-
- JSJay Shetty
Because I know it's deep for you. That's why I'm asking.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah. I think you start with communication, and I think that's where you have to start to really feel and understand... Ah, I'm gonna cry. Sorry. I don't know why I'm emotional about this, but I think you just have to understand where somebody's coming from. Sorry, Jay.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
Um, okay. Is there a tissue, you guys?
- JSJay Shetty
Tissue, yeah. I'll hand you that. It's like-
- KJKris Jenner
Okay. I think, I don't know why that hit so hard, but I think communication, I think compassion is key into really feeling what somebody might be going through. Even though you don't agree with them, if you once loved them, then love is love, you know? And I always f- fall in love with people, and then if they disappoint you, it... Sorry, I don't know why I'm cryingSee what I said? It's right there under the surface. Sometimes you just get me. But I think communication is-- I preach communication. And I think if you, if somebody's misunderstood, I get on a soapbox sometimes to try to say, "No, no, no, you, you just don't understand. You know, this didn't happen like this, and they really didn't mean it like this." Or, you know, I'm always the one who tries and communicates that. But I think, God, what's wrong with me? But I also think that compassion, if you don't have an open heart and you're stuck with trying to understand someone, you, you will be lost forever until you can try and see and forgive.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And I think if people can't come from a place of forgiveness, then they'll be stuck forever.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
You know, you have to be open to understanding what someone else is truly all about. And why I stand up for people who are the underdog at times, it makes me really sad that they're the underdog, and I feel like some people get really misunderstood. And I think that we all need to stand up for each other-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... especially when we need it the most.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And that comes from a conversation, it comes from a communication, it comes from compassion, and it comes from forgiveness. And if you can't learn to forgive someone, whether it's their behavior, their words, their actions, you know, I'm a-- I think my kids tell me all the time I've, I'm a very forgiving person. They go, "Mom, you're, it's wild. You're just like, this person treated you this way or that way," or, "You experienced this with this person." And I try to see where it came from. What is the root of this? Why are they acting this way? And then again, if I can't change it, I can't control it. I can't control somebody else or their actions, right? You can't control other people. So, you know, you have to either ignore it, fight for it, help explain it, help communicate it, and forgive it.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
I don't know. I, I don't know how else-- That's how I live my life.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And if somebody, you know... A lot of people are struggling, and there's a lot of... You know, it's, it's... Sorry, just need a second.
- 40:25 – 44:38
Mental Health Has Become a Silent Pandemic
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, it's something definitely trying to support and help, and I'm glad-
- KJKris Jenner
Right?
- JSJay Shetty
... you raised it here because it's-
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, it makes me-
- JSJay Shetty
... I think the more it creates-
- KJKris Jenner
I mean, I, uh, uh, sometimes I, you know, hear about people or, you know, hear about what somebody's going through, and I literally don't even know them and I'm in tears. And it, it just breaks my heart because of the situation right now that we're in.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KJKris Jenner
And I think we m- make it worse for one another. You know, the criticism, the negativity online, and, um, the struggle that a lot of people have, and the amount of suicide for young people.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
I mean, it, it's truly heartbreaking. And I hear stories, and it just really is so upsetting. And that it, you know, it, I, I struggle with that in my heart because I just wish there was more that we all could do just to love each other and be there for each other, and maybe there was a way that we could help in a bigger way.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
You know? It's very confusing.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Yeah, we just-- I literally just had the head of suicide from Harvard on the show.
- KJKris Jenner
Really?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, I just interviewed him maybe a month ago-
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, wow
- JSJay Shetty
... on the show, and it was so illuminating to hear just how much help people with mental health or suicidal thoughts are even seeking. But even in that, just-
- KJKris Jenner
Right?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, just how hard-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... like how hard it is and how heavy it is. And I think-
- KJKris Jenner
Heavy.
- JSJay Shetty
Heavy.
- KJKris Jenner
It's so-- It's heavy in my heart.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KJKris Jenner
And I don't have an immediate, you know, child or f- or family member that's struggling with that at the moment, and I, I think about it for some reason a great deal as if, you know, maybe there's some way to... There's a lot of things, a lot of issues that I right now am in the process of focusing on-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... and getting more information on. One of them is dementia and Alzheimer's, and that's why I love Dr. Amen so much-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... because he's such an educator.
- 44:38 – 45:36
Are You a Disney Fan?
- KJKris Jenner
Oh my God, yes.
- JSJay Shetty
You know it's the happiest place on earth in my head.
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, it is.
- JSJay Shetty
Like, I've fully drank the Kool-Aid.
- KJKris Jenner
It definitely is. I went last week with Kourtney.
- JSJay Shetty
No.
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, yeah. Small World.
- JSJay Shetty
All right.
- KJKris Jenner
Pirates of the Caribbean-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... and the Haunted Mansion 'cause they just opened it for-
- JSJay Shetty
Oh, did they?
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
I work-
- KJKris Jenner
And I go to Disney. I work for Disney. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
I wanna be-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... Snow White.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. [laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
It's, yeah, all of it.
- JSJay Shetty
I love it, yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
I'm, I'm excited to go to the Epic Universe in Universal.
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, yes.
- JSJay Shetty
They just opened the, they opened it with the Har- the new Harry Potter world and all the rest of it.
- KJKris Jenner
Wait, is that Disney? That's not Disney.
- JSJay Shetty
No, it's Universal.
- KJKris Jenner
Oh.
- JSJay Shetty
It's Universal. This is not a... It's theme park world.
- 45:36 – 50:44
How Do You Forgive Someone Who Hurt You?
- JSJay Shetty
Kris, when we've spoken offline, I've always been blown away by how you've, when you keep talking about family, I think people think, "Oh, yeah, the six kids."
- KJKris Jenner
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
But to you, the family is even your kids' exes, right?
- KJKris Jenner
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Partners.
- KJKris Jenner
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
People, like, it grows. Even if one of your children has been through something really difficult with their partner or an ex-partner-
- KJKris Jenner
Mm-hmm
- JSJay Shetty
... you still love them as part of the unit and the family.
- KJKris Jenner
I do.
- JSJay Shetty
And that is incredible. Talk to me about how you expand that radius of care and love.
- KJKris Jenner
First of all, I believe in my heart and in my soul, love is love, and I fall in love with people and have lives and years spent with their partners or their boyfriends or their husbands, and have all these memories and travels and Christmas mornings and, uh, celebrations and birthdays and all the fun, the laughter, the joy, the tears, the babies. These are, in most cases, the fathers of my grandchildren, and I love these men. And that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them. It just doesn't turn off like that for me, and I think that goes back to communication, um, compassion, forgiveness, and moving through that so you can get to a place where they know they can always come to me.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
Every one of my kids' exes know that they have an open door, and I think that's how I was with my kids when they were little and I got a divorce, and I got married to Bruce. And when that happened, Robert knew that he could come walking in that back... It took a couple years, but it was what I had learned from people that were in my life in previous years. I saw the co-parenting skills that other couples, um, two pe- two couples in particular, but these two couples handled their experience of how they loved their kids. It was all about the kids. Because if you sit and berate your partner over and over and over again to the kids, or your ex-partner, your ex-boyfriend, your ex-husband, your ex... You know, it's their dad or it's their stepdad or the... You can't do that. It really creates so much damage psychologically, emotionally, physically, spiritually, all of it. It, it, the, the, children don't know how to process that kind of... It's a grief. It's a separation. So my goal with my children was always their dad comes for Christmas morning, and we spend New Year's Eve together and birthdays and celebrations. Robert Kardashian came to Kendall and Kylie's first birthdays, and he was there for every celebration, and they called him Uncle Robert.And he walked through that back door whenever he wanted, knowing there would be dinner on the table at 6:00, and he was always welcome. And it's the same way I now treat all of my kids' [laughs] exes, which a lot of people don't understand because if they treated them badly... But we've all dealt with those issues internally and privately, and we don't need to talk about these things anymore. It's d- been done. It's dealt with. We've done it. We've talked about it. We all know what happened. You know, we've had it on the show or whatever's happened in our lives, now it's time to grow the f- up, be mature. And I love who I've loved, and I don't like what they've done. No, I don't. But it doesn't make the l- love get any less overnight, and I'm there for them always. And these are the fathers of my grandchildren. What would my grandkids think, you know, 20 years from now if their grandmother treated their dad poorly or I wasn't loving and kind and compassionate and forgiving? So I teach my kids forgiveness. It's one of the biggest lessons-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... that I can teach them, to forgive somebody who's treated you badly and, and move on. You may not completely forget, but you need to forgive. You need to let it go. It's not good for your soul. It's too much pressure on your heart, you know? And I do love them, and I do love who they are, and I love their families. It's like with Travis Scott. I'm close to Travis, and I love his mom and his dad and his sister and his brother. Um, I- they're family to us, and we share celebrations together. And same with Tristan, who comes walking in the back door and has, you know, "Hey, Mom, what's up?" You know? [laughs] I'm like, "Okay"
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
So they're always around, and the- and we embrace them.
- 50:44 – 53:01
Finding Peace Through Prayer
- JSJay Shetty
Mm. You said that before you start something, you pray.
- KJKris Jenner
I do.
- JSJay Shetty
I'm wondering, w- what is, what is that prayer?
- KJKris Jenner
It's, "Dear God, please, you know, s- surround me with your angels if I'm doing something that's dangerous or when I go to bed at night, and just help me to see that what you want me to see and be the, the person that I need to be today, and just help me through these difficult times." Or I come to God in my prayers with lots of gratitude and thankfulness for the life that I have or just the ability to help somebody else because I think giving back is so important, and my girls and I talk a lot about that, and just that we've been given so much.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And to whom much is given, you know, much is required.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And that to me is something that I was taught very young. And I just pray about safety. I pray about peace, not only in my heart, but in the world. I pray about my family constantly and their safety and the grandkids and, you know, all the things. And I really- it's important to me to calm myself before something important and really think about it and be thoughtful about it and be prayerful about it and then be grateful for it.
- JSJay Shetty
That's beautiful.
- KJKris Jenner
That's my-
- JSJay Shetty
Thank you for sharing that with us. Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... that's my routine every day. But I, I wake up with a prayer. Thank you for waking me up. Thank you for giving me another beautiful day. Show me how you want me to spend my time today, and help me through these 75,000 meetings and Zooms [laughs] I have to do.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
And then thank you for protecting me tonight when I go to sleep and-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... bringing me some peace-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... and so I can recharge and be there for somebody else. Because if you don't get yourself ready for, and get that energy going for the next day-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... you're gonna, your tank is gonna be empty.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And I can't really run on an empty tank.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Well said. Well said.
- 53:01 – 54:28
Finding Growth in Every Challenge
- JSJay Shetty
Is, is there a truth that you feel or a lesson... Is there a lesson, Kris, that you feel life has had to teach you the hard way?
- KJKris Jenner
I think that the challenges are growth. I think, um, when I go through something that's really hard, I have to remember to be grateful for it, and I have to remember that it's part of the process and it's what got me here. Because by the way, if you just started your adult life at 18 and just got everything you wanted, I think that it would be a very different life. It would be full... It would be harder at the end of the day.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
But I love the things that I- I wouldn't change anything that I've been through because it's taught me so much, so many things in my life, decades worth of things [laughs] You know, that you think back, and I think what were the hardest, the hardest times, you know? And those are the times that really, I think for me personally, I experience the most growth-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... as a person. And believe me, I've made so many mistakes and I've... You know, I'm not always right, and I, I have to apologize to somebody at, you know, all the time if I'm in... You know, I'm, I'm human, and I'm definitely not perfect and I'm flawed, but I just try to learn something a little bit different and be a little bit better every day.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- 54:28 – 58:48
The “Rule of 12” for Letting Go
- JSJay Shetty
Mm. What's, what's a lesson that you feel you're really realizing right now in your 70 years that's kind of at the forefront of your mind, a principle or a lesson that-
- KJKris Jenner
There's probably a couple.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
I'm trying to be more patient. I'm trying not to lose my temper over things that don't matter and that I can't control.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
Because I know that I have a purpose. I know that I have this beautiful life and this beautiful family, so just relax. When you can't control something, who cares? It's not gonna change anything. Me getting upset isn't going to change a thing.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
I can renegotiate, I can talk to somebody calmly, I can try to deal with things that, the challenges that come up day to day. Um, and if I can't control it, I've gotta let it go. I've got to say to myself, "Okay..." You know, it's funny. Do you know Dr. Amen?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, of course, yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
I w-
- JSJay Shetty
He's been on the show four or five times.
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, I love him so much.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, we do too.
- KJKris Jenner
So I talk to him from time to time. And he said, "What's on your mind today?" And I says, "You know what's on my mind is I keep thinking I, I'm a complainer," and I've v- my daughter, Khloé, has really brought this to my mind, top of mind, and said, "Mom, you've got to stop complaining about nothing. Like, you have the most beautiful life." And I go, "I know, you're right." I'm a control freak.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
So when you're a control freak, like, my idea of a great Saturday afternoon is rearranging my drawers.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
It ma- it gives me peace. It helps my brain. It helps me to get org- I'm a very organized girl.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KJKris Jenner
So to reorganize everything just to, I don't know, blow off some steam helps me to relax. It's my form of Zen. So when I can't control something, it, I get annoyed.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
Like, the littlest things. Like, why did that person do... Like, that doesn't even make any sense. So common sense isn't very common-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. [laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... as we all know, right? So I always say that. And so Dr. Amen said, "I'm gonna give you the rule of 12." He goes, "You have to wait until something goes wrong for the 12th time, and then you can let loose."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
And I said, "Oh, I love that."
- JSJay Shetty
That's so good.
- KJKris Jenner
So of course, somebody forgets a bag, so we have to wait, you know, whatever, half hour for somebody to go back, drive somewhere, da, da, da. Then somebody forgot a passport.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
Then, you know, it went like that for a while, right?
- 58:48 – 1:00:35
Protecting Your Inner Peace
- JSJay Shetty
you're reminding me, there's a tool that I love. It's called the perspective scale.
- KJKris Jenner
Ah.
- JSJay Shetty
And so if you looked at your life from zero to 10-
- KJKris Jenner
Uh-huh
- JSJay Shetty
... zero is the way you feel when you wake up and everything's amazing, and 10 is you wake up and the worst thing possible could happen i.e., all the opposite.
- KJKris Jenner
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
Now, if you looked at the, today's problem of someone forgetting their bag to the airport-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... it's like a two on that list-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... because compared to the worst day ever-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... it's nothing. But-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... when you don't have that perspective-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... everything's a 10.
- KJKris Jenner
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
Everything feels like a 10, like the meeting that fell through, the person-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... that didn't show up, the-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... the text you got that you didn't want to. It's like everything's a nine or a 10. And when you look at it in perspective, you go, "Oh, actually, that's just a one."
- KJKris Jenner
That's a one.
- JSJay Shetty
"It's a two."
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
It's a, you know, whatever it is.
- KJKris Jenner
I love that.
- JSJay Shetty
And it just lets you, what you're saying-
- KJKris Jenner
Relax
- 1:00:35 – 1:01:48
Respecting Time and Commitment
- JSJay Shetty
though, I was about to say, just so, just so everyone knows how organized Kris is, she came here 35 minutes early today.
- KJKris Jenner
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
Like, 35 minutes early. No one does that. And Kendall, Kim, and Khloé, never been late to the podcast, never been late to an event, a dinner. Like, it's just-Everyone operates so professionally. There's so much respect-
- KJKris Jenner
Thank you
- JSJay Shetty
... for everyone else's time and energy.
- KJKris Jenner
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, and it's, and it comes from that place. It's not just a checkbox. It's like whenever I've spent time with anyone, whether it's with Kim and Khloe in India or, you know, whatever it may be, everyone's always on time, and the energy's right, and everyone's excited, and there's this-
- KJKris Jenner
Excited to be there
- JSJay Shetty
... excited to be there, yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
And, and to be... I love the girls because they love to build other people up.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KJKris Jenner
And they have this great group of friends. And to look at these humans [laughs] that, you know, I've, you know, just, just so very proud-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... of, of the women and the man that they've become because they make me so happy. And they have, you know, very happy lives because they have each other.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
I mean, not everybody can have six kids, but-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... it's a lot of people [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, it's so-
- KJKris Jenner
To raise.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
But it certainly, it makes for a, a really, you know, amazing family.
- JSJay Shetty
How did you make sure
- 1:01:48 – 1:04:52
Showing Up Fully as a Parent
- JSJay Shetty
you got to know them all individually and intimately in a way that you could guide them towards their passions and help them find it? Because that's such an individual process.
- KJKris Jenner
Mm. Yeah, it is.
- JSJay Shetty
It's, it's such a personal thing. It's-
- KJKris Jenner
I think with the first four I was lucky enough to not be working-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... through the pregnancies-
- JSJay Shetty
Interesting
- KJKris Jenner
... or raising them when they were small, and I took that time. And then later, when I was, you know, I s- it really came into this growth and, and, you know, television success when I was 52, when we started our show.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow. I think-
- KJKris Jenner
Isn't that crazy?
- JSJay Shetty
... people don't realize that.
- KJKris Jenner
I know. And people, by the way, thought that we just sort of appeared out of nowhere, and I had a life for m- a couple decades, several decades-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... that I was very immersed in Hollywood and knew everybody and had this beautiful life with Robert and then Bruce at the time and, you know, just had this glorious, you know, life together with my kids and really experienced so much with them from when they were babies. And they were always doing things and in sports, and we went to everything. And, you know, it was just a typical childhood for them, that they were involved in everything, and we were right there, you know, as f- you know, having a front row seat to their childhoods.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And that makes a big difference. You know, when you're just all in 1,000%.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
I had some friends who didn't experience what I experienced, and the difference in the outcome in how their kids were raised versus... You know, there are differences. It's like, and it's not just about somebody who throws themself into, uh, you know, one of their kids. It's definitely how a child's makeup is. You know, [laughs] you know, they're individuals. But what was so fascinating for me was how different every, every single child was. Like, I had my first baby, and you don't know what to expect with number two. One is, like, one, two is, like, 20-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. [laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... for me. That's how it was for me.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
And it was very overwhelming to have two. And I thought, "Oh, what's one more?" You know?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
And then it just kept going. But I think what you don't expect, and what people would say to me at the time, people that were my age but didn't have any kids or one kid, and they would say, "Wow, are, how are they so different?"
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And they were just obviously had their own, you know, amazing personalities and all the things that come with that and just learned each one little by little-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... and just were part of each other's, you know, obviously DNA, but it truly, like, I, they're just the biggest part of my heart. Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
But it's, it's so interesting
- 1:04:52 – 1:07:41
Starting Over After Motherhood
- JSJay Shetty
to hear that that, having that time with each of them-
- KJKris Jenner
Mm-hmm
- JSJay Shetty
... and having that quality time-
- KJKris Jenner
Mm-hmm
- JSJay Shetty
... in those early days, and I assume you'd built up the skills by the time you had Kendall and Kylie. Like-
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, I had a break
- JSJay Shetty
... yeah, you had, you had, yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
I had, like, an eight-year break in there.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
And so when I had Kendall, not only had the world changed and the, you know, I mean, there was a time, I mean, I had a good solid decade when I had, like, three highchairs lined up and, you know, strollers and two car seats. And, and then I went through, um, a stage of having a little bit of a break with being pregnant and then started all over again, and everything changed. There were telephones. There [laughs] were computers. It was huge, a huge change in how everything worked.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And 1995 came along, and Kendall was born, and then I really had another chance at sort of continuing my family with Kendall and Kylie and thought, "Oh, now we need another one," because you don't want Kendall to grow up kind of so far-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... apart in the gap. So we had another one, and Khloé was, like, my angel because Khloé really helped me. She was 10 maybe or 11, and she really helped me with Kendall and Kylie because now at this point I've got a full-time job-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... and I've gotta figure out how to keep-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... the lights on, truly. And I thought, "Oh, this is..." Like, so from morning till night working and trying to make it, you know, a career, um, was very interesting. And that little Khloé was like a little mama's helper-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... with everything, with feeding and bath time and, you know, helped me babysit on the weekends. I was in the house. I was in my office, but, you know, if I said, "You guys play out here, I'll be right," you know. But was such a great set of hands and such a, she gave everything to those girls-
- JSJay Shetty
Wow
- KJKris Jenner
... and really helped me with that, so that I'll always be grateful for.
- JSJay Shetty
And that was just natural for her. Like, that was just-
- KJKris Jenner
Just natural. That was her
- JSJay Shetty
... a natural-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... maternal energy that she had that-
- KJKris Jenner
I could have called Khloé-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
10 years old and said, "We're having folks for dinner tonight. Can you just throw a-
- 1:07:41 – 1:08:16
Making Sure No One’s Left Behind
- JSJay Shetty
It seems so thoughtful, though. Like, you were like, "All right. I don't want Kendall to be the last one who's left alone, and so we'll have another one."
- KJKris Jenner
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
Like, there's, there's so much-
- KJKris Jenner
It was
- JSJay Shetty
... thought. It's intentional.
- KJKris Jenner
It was.
- JSJay Shetty
It's-
- KJKris Jenner
Very intentional
- JSJay Shetty
... it's very intentional.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah. I didn't want somebody to be left without their... Like, it was Kourtney and Kimberly, and then it was Khloe and Rob, who are still connected at the hip.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KJKris Jenner
They're both, all of them. And then it's Kendall and Kylie.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
So they all had their little... I had different litters.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
[laughs] But I, but they had different pals.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
You know? It was, it's really-
- JSJay Shetty
Love that
- KJKris Jenner
... and I just, I felt really good about that.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
Mm-hmm.
- 1:08:16 – 1:13:42
What Motherhood Has Taught Me
- JSJay Shetty
I love that. What's, uh, let's, let's go through the kids and go one thing that each of them have taught you.
- KJKris Jenner
Oh, okay.
- JSJay Shetty
So, yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
Kourtney taught me probably how to be a mom.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
She was my firstborn.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And she was, you know, she gave me a run for my money because she was very colicky.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And, um, that was interesting and very challenging for, you know, those long nights and all of that. So that was like, "Oh, okay. This is what it's like. Okay." And you would do anything to make her life and, and h- have her feel better and, you know, this little tiny thing that was, you know, really had an upset tummy for nine months at least. And then I wanted to do it again. Kim taught me multitasking. [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
And Khloe taught me, um, probably... Oh, I mean, they all taught me love.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
But Khloe united everybody and taught me a lot about how grateful I was for humor, because she was so funny. And then, um, Rob, the same. Rob was just a joy, but he was the boy. You know, Robert Kardashian Sr. came from a big Armenian family, and they were praying for a boy from day one.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
So, you know, it was always-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... you know, "I hope it's the boy. I hope it's the boy."
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- KJKris Jenner
And, "It's gonna be Robert Jr., blah, blah, blah." And I was like, "Okay, it's a girl."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
You know, another girl, another girl.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
And, um, and so when Robert was born, it was like all the Armenians were rejoicing.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
They were, my mother and father-in-law were so happy, and all their friends. And I remember she ran to the hospital with this beautiful bro- diamond brooch that she gave me. And I was, you know, it was i- so joyful, and it was like New Year's Eve, [laughs] you know? And it was a celebration. So that was really special. And it taught me a lot about their culture and how to celebrate on another level and all of the experiences that. Because suddenly when Robert was born, the Armenian side of my in-laws really kicked in over at my house.
- JSJay Shetty
Right. Right.
- KJKris Jenner
You know, it's like, "We're gonna make, you know, these Armenian meals, and I'm gonna sh-," and we'd, th- trying to teach the kids to speak-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... a little Armenian, which, you know, didn't go that far.
- 1:13:42 – 1:15:41
Healing from Miscarriage and Loss
- JSJay Shetty
beautiful. So sorry for your loss. I mean, those two miscarriages-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... I mean, I've had a lot of my friends in the last 12 to 24 months have experienced miscarriages, and I feel like people are starting to talk about it a bit more now.
- KJKris Jenner
It, you grieve.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
It's a terrible thing that you do because it's so, um, silent almost. You know, it happens, and people go, "We're so sorry."
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And I carried that for months, months and months. You know, you still think about it from time to time. But, um, don't dwell on it at all. Just grateful that I am and I got to have my journey and my experience, and my kids are thriving health-wise at the moment. So, you know, you just have to be there and support and love on the friends that you, that go through that.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And that, that was... A lot of my friends were experiencing it around that time.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
And, um, that was real, that was a, a big moment for me during those years.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
Not, it wasn't a moment. It was several years of just, just trying to be there and being supportive and being a friend and trying to go to doctor's appointments and, you know, doing different, um, versions of IVF and all these different medical tr- But by the way, were just becoming something that worked-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... in those years. Like, it was very, still very new. And 30 years ago, almost 30 years ago, um, and I just always would hold my breath when one of my friends would get pregnant again, you know, that had experienced loss in such a difficult way and praying. And then every time one of my girlfriends would have a baby after a long journey, I would go to the hospital, [laughs] and we would celebrate. And it was just, yeah, was... I remember doing that quite a few times.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah, so anyway.
- 1:15:41 – 1:17:43
Compassion for Those Facing Infertility
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, no, thank you for sharing that. It's, I think it's gonna be useful for a lot of people to hear that because it's... I don't, I don't think it's ever gonna get easier when people go through something-
- KJKris Jenner
No
- JSJay Shetty
... like that. It's, it's always gonna hurt, and knowing that others are going through it is probably the only thing that-
- KJKris Jenner
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... helps.
- KJKris Jenner
It's devastating to people that have tried for so long to have a baby and ju- it just doesn't happen for them. And that used to break my heart because I always e- experienced the joy and the-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... joyful part of it. I never really had the side that ended very sadly.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
I had, I mean, I had a couple of experiences that was, you know, traumatizing to say the least at the time, but I went on with a happy ending, and some people don't get that happy ending. And that always used to break my heart-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... you know, to have anybody struggle with that. But now, my goodness, there's so many amazing, you know, ways to overcome, just due to all the new technology, all the things they're doing now, and the way people are, um, using surrogates.
- JSJay Shetty
Yes.
- KJKris Jenner
That's such a wonderful gift to be able to give someone. I used to think when I was really young and not thinking it through, after I had a couple kids, I said, "I would..." I was watching something on TV once about a surrogate. And by the way, we're talking 1980s. And I used to think, "I would do this for somebody if somebody..." Like, it would-
- JSJay Shetty
Wow
- KJKris Jenner
... that, well, I would do this. And then, you know, then a few minutes later, you're like, "Kris, snap out of it." [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
But no, I, I used to think that, truly.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
I used to think that would be a great thing to do. So I really do admire women who give their life to somebody for-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... a couple of years, basically, of helping them carry a baby. I just shout out to anybody who's ever been a surrogate. What a beautiful, sacred gift.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- 1:17:43 – 1:19:26
Leading with Love and Kindness
- JSJay Shetty
And now from your position of having this wisdom and being in this place in your life, what's a piece of advice or wisdom that you're sharing with each of the kids? What's the different lens or direction that you're giving each of them right now?
- KJKris Jenner
I think be kind. Treat each other with love and kindness and o- everyone that you encounter. And you never know what somebody's been through or what they're going through at the moment or that day. And if people are, you know, cruel and nasty, we talk about that a lot lately, just about the, you know, the way, um, people can get worked up online and some of the negative energy there and just really trying to not listen to the noise. Don't read that kind of stuff, and try to be more joyful.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And just to be there for one another because all we have is, is each other.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
That's all we've got. It goes by so fast, and it's h- it's, especially when you have kids, you realize how fast time goes by.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KJKris Jenner
And Kylie shared in our group chat, our family group chat, a picture of Stormi yesterday, and I haven't seen her in a week. And [laughs] I was shook. I was like, "This is just going by so fast. She's, you know, she grew a foot."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
"What ha- what's happened to her?" So I think just to appreciate the moment-Drown out the noise as much as you can, and love each other as hard as you can because you only have this one life, and it goes by really fast.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm. Yeah, you've, you keep talking about in this interview just
- 1:19:26 – 1:20:27
Choosing Where to Invest Your Energy
- JSJay Shetty
drowning out the noise and-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... there being so many disturbances.
- KJKris Jenner
Mm-hmm. You have to.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
Because there's so much going on. I have so much incoming constantly in my life, you know. There's always something to look- answer to, look at a contract, have a Zoom, do a beautiful podcast. There's always so much to choose from and so many beautiful things we can do. But there's also a lot of... It's work, but it's stuff we need to do, or it's conflict, or it's, um, something you need to deal with personally. There's always something, you know, going on during the day. And I think you have to edit, [laughs] edit your life-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... and really focus on what you wanna put your energy into, put your heart and your soul into, put your love into. And then edit what you can get rid of to find some joy and some peace-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... in all of it. And through all of that, be grateful.
- 1:20:27 – 1:22:16
Seeing Yourself Through Others’ Eyes
- JSJay Shetty
What I love learning about you more and more the more time we spend together is that I feel like you're this incredible powerhouse, amazing businessperson-
- KJKris Jenner
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
... incredible strategy. But at the heart of it, there's this really soft, loving, soulful, you know, individual. And is that how you see yourself? When you feel most seen for people who know you the deepest and the best-
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... how do they see you? What do they see?
- KJKris Jenner
I think the way you described. Anyone who knows me knows I'm just a big baby.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
And I'm a big softie, and I cry at commercials.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
I literally have it right under the surface at all times. But then I go to work, and I'm like, "Okay, let's hear you." [laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
No, I, I'm really not. But I'm d- you know, I love what I do, and I know that through experience and time and, like, you know, just all the things we've been through-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... you know, I try my best every day and try to get through the day with as much integrity-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KJKris Jenner
... and the best character I can, you know, put out there and be myself and do what I think is right and teach my kids to be good human beings, and my grandkids, and just have so much fun and enjoy every minute. And yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, you did it right, Kris.
- KJKris Jenner
I don't know.
- JSJay Shetty
You really did it right.
- KJKris Jenner
You know, listen-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... I make a lot of mistakes-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KJKris Jenner
... throughout my life and during the day and, you know, all of it, you know, just like everybody does.
- JSJay Shetty
That's normal though, yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
But I think if we just go out there and put our best foot forward, like my mom used to say, my grandma used to say, and do our very best and be the best sink scrubber-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... you can possibly be, you're gonna be okay.
- JSJay Shetty
I love that. Kris, we end every
- 1:22:16 – 1:30:01
Kris on Final Five
- JSJay Shetty
On Purpose interview with the final five.
- KJKris Jenner
Okay.
- JSJay Shetty
These questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.
- KJKris Jenner
Okay.
- JSJay Shetty
So you have a sentence for each.
- KJKris Jenner
Okay.
- JSJay Shetty
And so-
- KJKris Jenner
I'm responding to your-
- JSJay Shetty
Responding to-
- KJKris Jenner
... word?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, I'll ask you a question.
- KJKris Jenner
Okay.
- JSJay Shetty
You can have a sentence. You can have a sentence.
- KJKris Jenner
Okay. Okay.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. So Kris Jenner, these are your final five.
- KJKris Jenner
Okay.
- JSJay Shetty
The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever had or received?
- KJKris Jenner
Lead with your heart.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm. Second question-
- KJKris Jenner
Mm
- JSJay Shetty
... what is the worst advice you've ever had or received?
- KJKris Jenner
Probably somebody telling me how to raise my kids, and then I do the exact opposite. And I-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KJKris Jenner
... I think I did okay.
- JSJay Shetty
Because you disagree with it.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KJKris Jenner
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
What was some of that bad advice? Like, what kind of things did people say?
- KJKris Jenner
Just, you know, when you're going through life and people are telling you, you know, different ways to, uh, just, you know-
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