Michael B. Jordan EXCLUSIVE: “You’re Ignoring Your Intuition! — That’s Why You Feel So Lost”

Michael B. Jordan 0:00 Being honest with where you stand and how you feel, it's really giving another person an option and opportunity to be as honest-

Jay Shetty 0:08 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 0:08 ... with you.

Jay Shetty 0:08 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 0:09 And whatever your fear of that is or that outcome, it's never really as big as what you make it up to be, you know? It's really not that. Tomorrow is not promised to anyone, but time will move on, you know? It, you will move past it. And if tomorrow never come, at least you can know that you said what you needed to say.

Jay Shetty 0:26 Before we jump into this episode, I'd like to invite you to join this community to hear more interviews that will help you become happier, healthier, and more healed. All I want you to do is click on the subscribe button. I love your support. It's incredible to see all your comments, and we're just getting started. I can't wait to go on this journey with you. Thank you so much for subscribing. It means the world to me.

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Michael B. Jordan 0:55 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 0:57 Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to to become happier, healthier, and more healed. I appreciate your ears, I appreciate your eyes. I'm so grateful that you're here right now, and I thank you for investing in yourself. You know that this platform is all about allowing the humans to be human, to give them a space to share their heart, share their mind, and share what's really happening behind the scenes. I think it's so easy in the climate we live in to get lost in clickbait and articles and views, and often that stops us from actually getting to understand someone and see someone for who they are. And today's guest is someone that I've been wanting on the show for years, so I'm extremely happy and extremely present, even more than ever, because this has been an opportunity I've been looking forward to. Today, I'm talking to the one and only Michael B. Jordan, a director, actor, producer who's recognized as an industry leader invested in bringing social change to Hollywood through his art and philanthropy. Making his feature film directorial debut, Michael B. Jordan recently reprised the role of Adonis Creed in Creed III. I'm a big Rocky fan, so when Creed dropped, you knew I had to see it.

Michael B. Jordan 2:05 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 2:05 Uh, which had the biggest opening weekend for a Creed film and biggest domestic opening for a sports movie ever. Ever, of all time. I just need to clarify that. Up next, Michael B. Jordan is set to star in Ryan Coogler's next feature film for Warner Brothers, and Michael B. Jordan also was named one of Time's 100 Most Influential People of 2023. He's been recognized as People's 2020 Sexiest Man Alive, my team went on about this-

Michael B. Jordan 2:32 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 2:32 ... and one of the New York Times' 25 Greatest Actors of the 21st Century, and now he's got a new health drink out, and you know I'm a big fan of health and wellness. It's called MASS, the first of its kind sea moss beverage available nationwide as you're listening or watching today. Welcome to the show, Michael B. Jordan.

Michael B. Jordan 2:49 My-

Jay Shetty 2:49 Mike, it's great to have you here.

Michael B. Jordan 2:50 My man, [laughs] Jay, appreciate it, man. That introduction's great. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 2:53 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 2:53 I just need to carry you around with me everywhere I go. You just introduce me places. Uh, but no, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me, man.

Jay Shetty 3:00 Well, what I wanted to add also, like in the few moments we've spent together even just walking in-

Michael B. Jordan 3:04 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 3:04 ... you know, if I can add to that intro, you know, extremely humble, gracious, kind, like, thoughtful. Like, it's, it's also nice meeting that, and I, and I love that this platform is a space that can come out. And we were just talking about that. You were saying that-

Michael B. Jordan 3:16 Yep

Jay Shetty 3:16 ... you know, you, you've almost been looking for a space where you can share that, because you don't do a lot of press.

Michael B. Jordan 3:21 I don't, I don't.

Jay Shetty 3:22 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 3:22 I, uh, you know, it's, it's seasons for it, you know? Obviously, you know, when you have a project coming out or something you need to promote, you know, there's, it's a part of that, that news cycle. But for me personally, I, I, I try to, you know, kinda say to myself a little bit and, and, and, um, very cautious of how, how you want people to get to know you, you know? When you have opportunities to speak and, and share things about yourself. Um, a- and not kinda, you know, be a part of sometimes other people's agenda, you know? So, so that's, uh ... But, but, but been a big, big fan of yours for, for a long time and the work that you've do- done and, and you are currently doing. And, um, and, and felt like this was a good, good time to, you know, to get out and talk and, and, uh, you know, share some things about me, I guess. You know, I've-

Jay Shetty 4:01 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 4:01 ... I've, uh ... It's been, it's been a journey, you know? It's been, it's been a journey, so, uh, you know, this is a nice little check-in point, I think.

Jay Shetty 4:07 Yeah, I love that.

Michael B. Jordan 4:08 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 4:08 Well, I appreciate the trust, and I love that check-in point because it must be fascinating to look back at something and then think about where you were in life, what was going on in your mind.

Michael B. Jordan 4:17 Mm.

Jay Shetty 4:17 So I wanted to start with, there was this

Jay Shetty 4:19 one thing you said in an interview, and we were talking about this earlier, this idea of written versus being able to explain.

Michael B. Jordan 4:24 Correct.

Jay Shetty 4:25 And there was this great point you made that I think people wouldn't recognize. With the amount of success you've had, the hits you've had, you know, I think people want to know about you and learn about you. But you said, "When you come from where I come from and everybody doesn't get those breaks, that luck, you start to question, 'Why am I successful in life? Why did I go this way and everybody went that way?'"

Michael B. Jordan 4:46 Mm.

Jay Shetty 4:46 And I just thought that that was, you know, again, extremely humble and also representative of where you grew up, how you came up. Like, which way did everyone go, and where did that luck begin for you?

Michael B. Jordan 4:59 You know, I think coming up in, in, in Newark, New Jersey, coming up in that environment and, you know, having ... You know, when you're younger, you know, you're, you're living life, you know? You're, you're taking it a day at a time, you know? You're going to basketball practice, you're going to school, you know, you're going to church, you know? You're, you're, you're, uh ... For me, it was, you know, taking a lot of trips to New, New York City, going on auditions at a really, really young age and just figuring out what, what, what that is. Having, having parents pretty aware, you know, um, and im- and very present in my life, you know, growing up. Uh, you know, that was, that was rare amongst my family. Yeah, and amongst my friend group, you know? Uh, having both parents that was there and very present. And, um, aware of my environment as well, you know? What, what, uh, you know, being told to look out for these things and, uh, m- make good choices, to be disciplined, to be focused on things, you know, get your schoolwork. You know, all the, the, uh, you know, the, the positives in, in, in growing up in, in an environment like that and, you know, hats off to my parents and to, uh, to sacrifice so much to make sure their kids, you know, were safe and, and grew up in an, you know, in a, you know, grew up in that environment ain't easy, making ends meet, you know? Um, grew up very poor but didn't feel like it, you know what I'm saying? It was very, you know ... I think they did a good job at hiding those things, you know?

Jay Shetty 6:08 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 6:08 I think as we get older, we look back and it's like, "Oh, man, we went through that?"

Jay Shetty 6:11 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 6:11 "Oh, oh, that's why we slept in the kitchen that one time with the oven open" or, "Oh, that's when we stayed at Grandma's house for, like, you know, a couple weeks" when you ... you know. So you, you, you get that reflection-

Jay Shetty 6:20 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 6:20 ... of, of how we kinda grew up and, and I think for me, you know, always having a- ... you know, a bigger purpose, I think, or just, you know, just that optimism, you know, that, that I was a big dreamer as a kid. And, and I think, you know, you start to not just to focus in on the just the work of it all, but since I was working at such a young age, that's the thing that I can kind of point to of, you know, booking auditions and getting this job and traveling to this place and experiencing these things and coming back home with these experiences and not having a lot of people who could relate or could, you know, uh, I could soundboard off of. And, and I think in feeling like that, you don't want to alienate those people, you know? Uh, uh, and I think, and this is all I guess in hindsight, you don't share these stories as much. You know, maybe you should 'cause you don't want somebody to feel, like, inadequate or, you know, not being able to have that experience that you might have had. And I think, you know, that snowballs as you, as you get older.

Jay Shetty 7:16 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 7:16 And from stepping stone to stepping stone as, as, as I continued to be successful at a, at a, at a young age, um, you start to question, why am I being so successful? And the people that look just like me that are right next to me in these everyday things aren't necessarily doing that, or not choosing to, uh, you know, just didn't have those options that-

Jay Shetty 7:38 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 7:38 ... were laid out to them. Uh, and I, and I think it, um, you start to doubt yourself for whatever reason, or feel guilty for the things that you may or may not have. Um, even though, you know, our parents were people of service, you know? Uh, block parties or, you know, cooking church dinners or, you know, whenever, you know, my house was the house that everybody came to at some point, whether we were gonna get pizza that night or Dad was gonna take everybody camping or going to these thing... Like, it was, that was kind of my house-

Jay Shetty 8:06 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 8:06 ... within, within my neighborhood and community. And, and, um, so I think for me, being a person of service kinda 'cause, you know, this kinda comes from how I was raised and, and, and those, those are the examples that I knew growing up. I always felt lucky too. As you become more successful and, and you, you see less people look like you that are being successful in this, in this realm and you end up being the one guy that looks like me that's successful or the couple guys that, or the usual suspects that you see in the audition room, uh, or, and things of that nature, you know, you start to sometimes question why, why, why you? Now I can, I, I, I feel as though it's, it was my, it was my path, you know?

Jay Shetty 8:46 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 8:46 It was my purpose and spirituality and growing up in a, in a household that was very focused on, you know, you know, church and spiritual and meditation and, and, and just being aware of the world that we live in. You know, I felt I was destined for, for something. Not knowing what that was, but just something.

Jay Shetty 9:06 Wow. Yeah, and I mean, when I'm, when I'm hearing that, it sounds like... I love what you said. You were like, "You know, they, they hid we were poor, and we didn't even see that."

Michael B. Jordan 9:15 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 9:15 But this idea of, like, you sound so... When I, when I see you talk about your family, and for those of you watching, you can see it on Mike's face, but there's so much joy, and there's bliss, and there's, like, a, there's, like, a happiness when you're looking back on that time. Like, I can see it's a positive experience because of how you feel you've been loved and cared for-

Michael B. Jordan 9:34 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 9:34 ... and supported even though the resources may not have been there or the access or opportunities. And I, and I

Jay Shetty 9:40 was wondering when I was listening to you, like, is there a memory or an experience from your childhood that you think defines who you are today? Like, was there a, a memory or a story that you have in your mind of an experience you went through that you think brings out maybe that service element or brings out that purposeful element?

Michael B. Jordan 9:56 And, and I think this, this bliss and this, this, this appreciation for how I grew up comes in hindsight.

Jay Shetty 10:02 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 10:02 You know? Like, you know, the first time you have a moment where you, like, pick up the phone, you know, one morning, and you just call your mom and be like, "Thank you. I get it."

Jay Shetty 10:11 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 10:12 "I, I'm, and I'm sorry."

Jay Shetty 10:13 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 10:14 "I'm sorry for, for being that kid at some point."

Jay Shetty 10:17 I made that call.

Michael B. Jordan 10:17 "And I'm so sorry for not understanding. I totally get what you guys are going through. Sheesh. I love you guys." [laughs] You know? Like, you, you have those moments when you get older, you know, that you just can't really have that perspective when you're, when you were a kid, and I think, you know, I was very mischievous, you know, as well. And, and I, and I think there were moments when my dad disciplined me, you know, for, for, for, for whatever the, you know, whatever I did at that time. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 10:43 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 10:43 And then my mom would have a conversation with me around the why.

Jay Shetty 10:47 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 10:47 And, and, and then being also forced or pushed and nudged into a space where you had to acknowledge your siblings also-

Jay Shetty 10:57 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 10:57 ... you know, in that situation, and, and, and the importance of family-

Jay Shetty 11:01 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 11:01 ... and what that means, you know? Uh, my parents have different upbringings, you know what I'm saying? From, you know, uh, and, and different family structures growing up, but one thing they've always provided us with is just a sense of, like, family over everything, you know, and how important that is. And that just kind of kept the grounded-ness to me throughout. So I think just the experiences of, of just family.

Jay Shetty 11:24 I like your point about hindsight. I've definitely made that call to my mom-

Michael B. Jordan 11:27 Right?

Jay Shetty 11:27 ... for sure. Like, yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 11:28 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 11:28 I've made that call to my mom.

Michael B. Jordan 11:29 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 11:29 And we're around the same age, so for me it's like I made that call, and I think I made it probably, like, 25.

Michael B. Jordan 11:35 25? Okay.

Jay Shetty 11:35 Maybe 26.

Michael B. Jordan 11:36 Okay, okay.

Jay Shetty 11:36 Yeah, it was probably around then when I finally made that call.

Michael B. Jordan 11:39 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 11:39 And not that I didn't love my mom before that. Of course I did.

Michael B. Jordan 11:41 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 11:41 But it was, like, that honest understanding of just how hard it was to do what she did, 'cause she was raising two kids. She was-

Michael B. Jordan 11:49 Mm

Jay Shetty 11:49 ... dr- uh, dropping us to school, picking us up. She was the breadwinner of the family. She made us breakfast, lunch, and dinner fresh every day. Like, and you don't recognize that as a kid.

Michael B. Jordan 11:58 Mm-mm.

Jay Shetty 11:58 You don't realize the sacrifice, the hustle, the... And, and always making you feel loved on top of doing all of that.

Michael B. Jordan 12:06 Correct.

Jay Shetty 12:06 It's, it's hard work.

Jay Shetty 12:07 You've talked a l- you said that now you feel like you've got to a place that it's your path.

Michael B. Jordan 12:12 Mm.

Jay Shetty 12:12 What was that switch for you that went from like, "I don't deserve this. God, like, I feel out of place. I'm lucky," to being like, "No, actually, now I see it as this was meant to be my path"? Because I think a lot of people- And a lot of our listeners will be there. Like, a lot of people are like, "They're making moves," and maybe they're the first person in their family to go to college, or maybe they're the first person who started up a business and is an entrepreneur, or maybe one of our listeners is trying to break generational trauma-

Michael B. Jordan 12:39 Yes

Jay Shetty 12:39 ... and they're the first person to spot it.

Michael B. Jordan 12:41 Yes.

Jay Shetty 12:41 And but then they all live in that space of like, "Can I do this?" Like, "Am I the one to do this?" And so what was it that made that switch from like, "I'm not sure I'm the guy, but oh, it is my path"?

Michael B. Jordan 12:51 It's the sum of all things leading up until that point. I think it's all the doubt. It's the imposter syndrome. It's the, the blessings that you can't really accept fully, and you listen to other people speak who are successful, or you see examples that you kind of feel connected to. Like, man, that, that kind of feels like me.

Jay Shetty 13:17 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 13:18 Or-

Jay Shetty 13:18 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 13:19 ... what he just said or what she just said, I kind of, I resonate with that.

Jay Shetty 13:22 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 13:22 You know? I, I feel like that sometimes, you know? Um, other people who are looking at you saying, "No, Mike, this is what you have. This is what you can be. This is what you are." Nah, nah, that can't... No, that's, that's too good. No, that ain't me, you know?

Jay Shetty 13:36 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 13:37 Uh, y- your own presence in a situation where you have to step back and look at yourself and be like, "Am I this guy right now?"

Jay Shetty 13:47 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 13:47 Like, oh man, there's a room full of people who showed up because of something I'm doing, and they're in service or in support of my idea.

Jay Shetty 13:56 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 13:57 My thing. Okay. That, that looks and feels like I'm the guy.

Jay Shetty 14:01 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 14:01 Okay. You're in, I'm in the industry where, you know, your, the success of your work and your art has been, you know, dictated and validated by other people's opinions.

Jay Shetty 14:12 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 14:13 And whether those opinions are factual or projected on you, uh, from their own, uh, individual perspective.

Jay Shetty 14:25 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 14:26 I think it's, it was a, it was a combination of all those things, and I've always been curious and walked towards the how do I make myself better?

Jay Shetty 14:35 Mm. Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 14:35 What are the things that I need, the tools that I need in order to improve myself-

Jay Shetty 14:40 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 14:40 ... the way I think, the way... How do I maximize myself-

Jay Shetty 14:44 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 14:44 ... you know? So from, I think, getting a, you know, an executive coach, you know, um, who talks to executives all day and, and, and, you know, how to create healthy conversations, the right type of conversations to have as you're building a team around you. 'Cause you know, as you know, it's not just us.

Jay Shetty 15:01 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 15:01 You know, we have an entire team of people that surround us, that help us achieve our dreams and, and, and get the big idea done. You know, a spiritual advisor, a spiritual coach that I have, um, who, you know, helps me, uh, do my energy work, my spiritual work-

Jay Shetty 15:19 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 15:19 ... and, and, and, and help sift through the noise-

Jay Shetty 15:23 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 15:23 ... and, and, and, and find those things. And I think it wasn't until I had, you know, roles that challenged my spirit and myself in a real way that, that, that, that... And the, and the weight and, and where the attention was so loud that it was, you know, it was deafening and it, it was... And, and I couldn't, you know, um, see clearly.

Jay Shetty 15:42 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 15:43 And you know, these are champagne problems. You know what I'm saying? I, I, you know, you know that like, you know, we're blessed.

Jay Shetty 15:49 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 15:49 So but the weight is so heavy.

Jay Shetty 15:52 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 15:52 You know? And people sometimes think, and they see what we have or what, you know, our, what we're, you know, what we're doing and it's like, oh, just be grateful.

Jay Shetty 16:02 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 16:02 You know? Or just, you know, what are you complaining about, you know? And, and you know, most people wouldn't be able to walk, you know, a block in our shoes, you know-

Jay Shetty 16:12 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 16:12 ... with, with this stuff. And I think it was... And then you have moments where you, you resent things and you're angry at, you know, the feelings that you accumulate for not being clear or, or not understanding, you know, why this. You, there's a lot of whys and you're not gonna get all the answers, but you wanna, you know, be able to get to a place where you're, you're clear. So to answer your question, when did I decide, when did I like, you know, when did I feel like that? Maybe two years ago.

Jay Shetty 16:41 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 16:41 Maybe a year ago. You look at where your family has come from and, shit, look at your bloodline, you know? You look, you look at, you know, your community. You're like, man, there's a cycle there-

Jay Shetty 16:53 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 16:53 ... from generation to generation that happens.

Jay Shetty 16:56 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 16:57 When you get to yourself and you're like, "Man, can I s- stop this? Can I change this?"

Jay Shetty 17:01 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 17:02 "I could do this."

Jay Shetty 17:03 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 17:04 Once you, it's like once you, once you know better, you gotta almost do better.

Jay Shetty 17:07 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 17:07 Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

Jay Shetty 17:09 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 17:10 And I w- I refuse to ignore it.

Jay Shetty 17:11 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 17:11 I refuse to see it an opportunity that I had to change things and act like it didn't exist.

Jay Shetty 17:18 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 17:18 And I think that was the thing for me that I was like, nah, I, I gotta, I gotta... If that's my purpose, if that's my path is to just see it, and I can see the pieces, and if I can just continue to do this, or if I stay down the pathway on that and I c- I might be able to make a big difference-

Jay Shetty 17:36 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 17:36 ... in my nephew's life or my, my, my future children's, my future grandchildren's life, I gotta do that.

Jay Shetty 17:43 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 17:44 Because there's so been so many people that might, that didn't, that, that it wasn't the perfect storm for them to have that opportunity. It wasn't the right time in the world. Technology wasn't there. The resources, the right social conversations are being had for, for us to have these platforms and speak and be successful the way we are. You know, you, you gotta, you gotta do it. And, and I, I think that was a big part of it, you know? Um, you know, understanding my own mortality, you know-

Jay Shetty 18:15 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 18:15 ... and, and understanding, you know, that li- you know, life isn't, you know, isn't a forever thing, and I think that happens when you get older, too.

Jay Shetty 18:21 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 18:21 You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, just turned 37 and it's like, wow, I vividly remember, you know, 15. I vividly remember 21.

Jay Shetty 18:29 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 18:29 I remember, vividly remember 25, 30, you know? And I used to look at 35, 37-

Jay Shetty 18:35 That's old [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 18:36 ... like, like ancient. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, "Oh man, we're here." And it's like, you gotta do what you gotta do while you're here and make an impact. You gotta fulfill your, you gotta fulfill yourself, whatever that may be.

Jay Shetty 18:50 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 18:50 You know? Um, and, uh, and I think, so yeah, so that, that moment for me where it was like, okay, I can do this, I can... Maybe a couple years ago. I think it was like-

Jay Shetty 19:00 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 19:00 ... right as I was stepping into directing Creed III.

Jay Shetty 19:03 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 19:03 And the weight of that and being the captain of the ship, the first time being captain of the ship in a... You know, I've made movies before. You know, I've, I've, I've done that. I know what that's like. But I've never, ever been the director, you know, the, the captain of the ship. And I think that responsibility, that pressure, that, you know, I'm not a dad, you know, but being able, everybody's looking to you for the answer, for the solve-

Jay Shetty 19:31 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 19:31 ... for the leadership. And I think that really thrust me into, uh, uh, um, a mindset-

Jay Shetty 19:37 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 19:37 ... of, of, uh, of leadership that I'd never quite had the opportunity to do before.

Jay Shetty 19:43 Mm. I, I mean, there's so much in that for me.

Michael B. Jordan 19:45 Sorry. I, I said a lot. Yeah.

Jay Shetty 19:46 No, it, it's a great... I like it. I prefer it that way-

Michael B. Jordan 19:48 Mm

Jay Shetty 19:48 ... 'cause I'm, I'm connecting all the dots as you're speaking, and there's a, I mean, there's so many things I wanna unpack with that. One of the things that really resonated is this idea that you had to challenge yourself. You had to do something out of your comfort zone-

Michael B. Jordan 20:02 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 20:02 ... in order to even recognize that you could become.

Michael B. Jordan 20:05 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 20:05 That you could be, and that you could develop. And often we're waiting to become before we take on the challenge-

Michael B. Jordan 20:12 Yes

Jay Shetty 20:12 ... but it's the challenge that makes us become that person.

Michael B. Jordan 20:15 I think so.

Jay Shetty 20:15 And I think we resist even what you just said earlier about the opportunities.

Michael B. Jordan 20:20 Mm.

Jay Shetty 20:20 This idea that if you have opportun- and there's a Eastern spiritual teaching which talks about-

Michael B. Jordan 20:26 Mm

Jay Shetty 20:26 ... if you have opportunities and you don't take them-

Michael B. Jordan 20:29 Mm

Jay Shetty 20:29 ... that's a disservice to humanity-

Michael B. Jordan 20:31 One thousand percent

Jay Shetty 20:32 ... because they're opening up to you without your, even without your will-

Michael B. Jordan 20:36 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 20:36 ... sometimes, right?

Michael B. Jordan 20:37 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 20:37 Like, there's some of us, and we'll sabotage ourselves because we'll say, "Oh, well, I didn't ask for that. I, I, I didn't, I didn't know that was for me." And so I love the idea of anyone who's listening or watching what Mike's saying, I love the idea of leaning into that opportunity that is opening up for you.

Michael B. Jordan 20:52 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 20:52 And even if you don't have the skills, and you don't have the talent yet, or you don't have all of the tools and the abilities-

Michael B. Jordan 20:58 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 20:58 ... it's gonna force you to develop them.

Michael B. Jordan 21:00 For sure.

Jay Shetty 21:01 And, and you talked about the coaching. I wanna go back to that and ask you about that-

Michael B. Jordan 21:03 Mm

Jay Shetty 21:03 ... because you want to be better mentally, physically-

Michael B. Jordan 21:08 Yes

Jay Shetty 21:08 ... spiritually. It's, it's a big part of who you are. And even the projects you take on, which I wanna dive into that.

Michael B. Jordan 21:13 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 21:14 You said roles that challenge your spirit.

Michael B. Jordan 21:16 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 21:17 Even that idea that you're looking at a role not as, "Oh, what's the next movie to get me the thing?" It's like, "Oh, that's gonna challenge my spirit."

Jay Shetty 21:25 I wanted to ask, what has been your best habit or tool uniquely that you've developed for your body, your mind, and your spirit individually?

Michael B. Jordan 21:34 Mm.

Jay Shetty 21:34 What have been things that you've done with your coaches in different areas that you think has brought about new epiphanies, opportunities, and ideas? What have been those tools and hacks that maybe people could lock into as well?

Michael B. Jordan 21:47 Uh, I think there's a, this woman, uh, Ramona Oliver, that's known me my entire life, you know. She's my spiritual advisor and coach. And, and, you know, I think starting the day, you know, in meditation. You know, you're taking you- a moment to clear yourself and prepare yourself for the day.

Jay Shetty 22:03 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 22:04 Um, it's so important to-

Jay Shetty 22:06 Huge

Michael B. Jordan 22:07 ... to, to step out of your home with intent and intention.

Jay Shetty 22:10 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 22:10 A lot of times it's what are you projecting on a, a situation to help it manifest instead of negatively thinking about things that can help block your b- blessings?

Jay Shetty 22:21 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 22:22 I mean, that's a big thing.

Jay Shetty 22:23 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 22:23 You know? So I, so I think-

Jay Shetty 22:24 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 22:24 ... I think, um, and we all have moments of negativity. That's part of it, you know? It's yin and yang. You're never gonna fully get rid of that. But to practice those things in the morning I think was a big help for me.

Jay Shetty 22:35 Yeah, huge.

Michael B. Jordan 22:36 Um, you know, you shoot movies and you're doing things, you're walking out, you know, there's, there's, there's, y- you hear stories of people that just can't get a break sometimes.

Jay Shetty 22:44 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 22:44 And, and, and for whatever reason. It could be from stepping off the curb, twisting an ankle to, you know, the parking ticket to the thing, to the, "Oh, I just can't get a break." And, and there's certain people that, that carry this cloud, you know? And I think some of that can be contributed to the, the thought process-

Jay Shetty 23:02 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 23:02 ... and the thinking and the energy that you're putting into these things.

Jay Shetty 23:05 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 23:05 And, and it's sometimes easier said than done, but, but to, to stop and to reframe and to clear yourself and to, you know, "No, I'm walking in, in this light today."

Jay Shetty 23:16 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 23:16 And see how much of a difference that can make.

Jay Shetty 23:19 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 23:20 Um, and, and more on the structurally side, this guy Drew Kugler, who, um, no relation to Ryan Coogler [laughs]

Jay Shetty 23:26 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 23:27 Who is a, a, you know, um, executive coach. And, and, and, you know, as my ambitions grew from a production company to brand marketing consulting companies to, you know, just the products and the businesses, you know, the conversations I need to have with the team-

Jay Shetty 23:43 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 23:43 ... you know, and leadership and the, um, everybody's coming from different backgrounds, and how do you speak everybody's love language?

Jay Shetty 23:50 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 23:50 'Cause everybody, uh, you have to speak differently a little bit to everybody-

Jay Shetty 23:54 Yeah, yeah

Michael B. Jordan 23:54 ... so they can receive it the way you meant it, you know?

Jay Shetty 23:56 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 23:56 And, and I think having the quality of conversations is something that was really helpful for me.

Jay Shetty 24:02 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 24:02 Meaningful conversations. Um, and giving people the space to, um, hear me and also hold them accountable-

Jay Shetty 24:11 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 24:12 ... to the things that I need to hold them accountable for.

Jay Shetty 24:15 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 24:15 Um, I think tho- the combination of the two, uh, allowed me to look at situations and opportunities differently, for people to look at me differently.

Jay Shetty 24:25 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 24:26 Because it's also a troubling thing when you're walking around as talent for a long time.

Jay Shetty 24:30 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 24:30 That's how they see you.

Jay Shetty 24:31 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 24:31 You know? And-

Jay Shetty 24:32 Yeah, you have an identity

Michael B. Jordan 24:33 ... I have an identity. That's how, that's what they're... So there's this- There's these kid gloves that come along with that. You know what I'm saying?

Jay Shetty 24:41 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 24:41 That is, it's not everybody's fault. That's ... Everybody's in a, a role. You have to sometimes just step back and look at the thing that we're in. You know? Like, we're in a industry, you know, that has generations and generations of-

Jay Shetty 24:54 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 24:54 ... taught behavior-

Jay Shetty 24:56 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 24:56 ... and practices that any positive disruptor has to understand those things in order to disrupt them in a way.

Jay Shetty 25:04 Absolutely.

Michael B. Jordan 25:04 And evolve them, you know?

Jay Shetty 25:05 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 25:06 And, and things are evolving. You see it, you know, that, that things are evolving in a way, and if you can look at it in a, you know, in a higher way, I think you can find your way through that.

Jay Shetty 25:17 Yeah. Yeah, that resonates. There's a ... You reminded me of this beautiful statement from Mark Twain where he said that history never repeats itself but it always rhymes.

Michael B. Jordan 25:27 Hmm.

Jay Shetty 25:27 And I find, like, when you were talking about the industry, I was thinking about how if you don't study history-

Michael B. Jordan 25:34 Hmm

Jay Shetty 25:34 ... you have the rhyme happening in your life, but then you can't interrupt the pattern.

Michael B. Jordan 25:38 Hmm.

Jay Shetty 25:39 So if you were a young star, which you were. Like, I, I love The Wire as well. I've been a fan of the show. It's like, so you start in this industry early, and then you could spend years trying to figure out why you still have the kid gloves on.

Michael B. Jordan 25:51 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 25:51 Because you haven't studied that, wait a minute, that's what happens, that unless you disrupt the pattern-

Michael B. Jordan 25:56 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 25:56 ... present yourself differently-

Michael B. Jordan 25:57 Correct

Jay Shetty 25:58 ... show more of yourself, people are always gonna say, "He's talent. He's, he's an actor. That's, that's what he does," as opposed to, "Oh, he's a director," "Oh, he's an entrepreneur," "Oh, he's, he's an investor," right?

Michael B. Jordan 26:07 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 26:07 I know you have lots of investments, all again in the health and wellness space.

Michael B. Jordan 26:10 Correct.

Jay Shetty 26:10 Like sports teams, and we're talking about moss as well. So it's, it's interesting how much if you don't study the history of our industry, we get locked in the identity of the role we've played in that space-

Michael B. Jordan 26:24 Correct

Jay Shetty 26:24 ... forever.

Michael B. Jordan 26:25 Correct.

Jay Shetty 26:26 And, and it's so-

Michael B. Jordan 26:27 Hmm

Jay Shetty 26:27 ... easy for us to get used to feeling ... And often we do it to ourself because it's comfortable playing the same role, and there's a familiar feeling of when I play this role, and I've felt that in my own small way.

Michael B. Jordan 26:40 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 26:41 Like when I went from having to create content to get my message out there, even though I wanted to do TV or film or whatever and couldn't get a break-

Michael B. Jordan 26:49 Yeah

Jay Shetty 26:49 ... and so I went to content. And then I launched a podcast, and I told you about why we launched this podcast-

Michael B. Jordan 26:54 Yep

Jay Shetty 26:54 ... earlier. And then I wrote books, and it was like every time it was like, "Oh," like, "Oh, we thought Jay was this-

Michael B. Jordan 27:01 Hmm

Jay Shetty 27:01 ... but oh, he's actually the ..." Oh, and, and, and I've had to go through that, and I've realized the hardest part is you letting go of that identity.

Michael B. Jordan 27:08 And reinventing yourself.

Jay Shetty 27:09 And allowing yourself, right? Go on. Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 27:11 Yeah. No, no, definitely. Like, I mean, have you ever, like, you know, has the podcast been something you've always wanted to do? And this is me e- just curious, or is it something that you had to re- you forced yourself to re- to reinvent yourself in a way? Because I, this isn't it for you.

Jay Shetty 27:25 Yeah. [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 27:26 You know what I'm saying? I know it's not, you know? That this is, this is a stop for you. This is, this is a chapter

Michael B. Jordan 27:30 in your book. Did you ever think, "I have to reinvent myself," or was that a product of, uh, the things that were telling you no or the things that was challenging?

Jay Shetty 27:39 Yeah, it's a great question. I think it's a mix of them all, but the thing that kind of like supersedes all of them, which I try and tap into-

Michael B. Jordan 27:46 Hmm

Jay Shetty 27:46 ... which I think you'll resonate with because I think that's the conversation we're having, is having a connection with your intuition.

Michael B. Jordan 27:54 Hmm.

Jay Shetty 27:54 Like, for me it's-

Michael B. Jordan 27:55 Hmm

Jay Shetty 27:55 ... I'm not looking at like, oh, what's the next trend? Or like, how do I disrupt myself? How do ... Because to me those things are still following other patterns.

Michael B. Jordan 28:03 Got you.

Jay Shetty 28:04 Whereas it's intuitively going like what is, what is the thing that I bring or what do I wanna do or what is the, the, the missing piece of the puzzle-

Michael B. Jordan 28:12 Hmm

Jay Shetty 28:13 ... that I believe I have a unique qualification to fill?

Michael B. Jordan 28:17 Got you.

Jay Shetty 28:17 Because if I'm always looking around, there will always be a million things. Like I always say to people, if you go to a real estate conference, you'll realize you don't invest enough in real estate.

Michael B. Jordan 28:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 28:25 If you go, if you go, if you go to a, a cryptocurrency conference, you'll feel like, "Oh crap, I didn't do this."

Michael B. Jordan 28:31 Yes.

Jay Shetty 28:31 And if you ... Like, if I sit with a group of actors I'll be like, "Oh man, I should've studied" ... Like-

Michael B. Jordan 28:34 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 28:35 ... you're always gonna feel the deficiency-

Michael B. Jordan 28:37 True

Jay Shetty 28:37 ... of the trend that you study.

Michael B. Jordan 28:38 Correct.

Jay Shetty 28:39 And so if you live that way around, it gets really complicated 'cause then you're like, "Well, do I do this or do I do that?" Like, whereas when you, when you go inward-

Michael B. Jordan 28:47 Hmm

Jay Shetty 28:47 ... it's like, oh, I feel alignment-

Michael B. Jordan 28:49 Yes

Jay Shetty 28:49 ... with this right now-

Michael B. Jordan 28:51 Yes

Jay Shetty 28:51 ... because it lets me express myself, it lets me connect with people in a certain way. I feel I'm at the right evolution in my journey where it can manifest as opposed to like-

Michael B. Jordan 29:01 Hmm

Jay Shetty 29:01 ... oh, yeah, let me just figure out what the next big thing is.

Michael B. Jordan 29:03 Correct.

Jay Shetty 29:04 Which if that, if that makes-

Michael B. Jordan 29:04 That makes so much sense, bro.

Jay Shetty 29:05 Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 29:05 And I, I think that's what it is, is like your alignment with w- where you feel truthful.

Jay Shetty 29:10 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 29:11 You know? And, and sometimes that always doesn't mean you're, you're gonna be financially okay-

Jay Shetty 29:17 Totally

Michael B. Jordan 29:17 ... as well.

Jay Shetty 29:18 Absolutely.

Michael B. Jordan 29:18 You know? [laughs] You know? Like you can feel spiritually aligned and everything.

Jay Shetty 29:22 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 29:23 And mortgages due.

Jay Shetty 29:25 Yeah. [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 29:25 You know? Rent is due. You feel me? So, so there's that element of it as well that you-

Jay Shetty 29:30 Yes

Michael B. Jordan 29:30 ... have to find your, your way through. Yeah, that, that, that intuition, that, that north star is what ... is something that has led me all types of places-

Jay Shetty 29:42 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 29:42 ... uh, that I wouldn't trade in for the world. You know, just that feeling of this feels right.

Jay Shetty 29:48 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 29:48 And I, I know does it make sense? Probably. There's probably some other things on paper that, that seems like the better option or choice, but this feels right. And, and, you know, more often than not, you know, it, it's, it's been the right move.

Jay Shetty 30:04 Yeah. I love what you were saying earlier about how the thought process is such a powerful way of breaking out over the cloud over your head.

Michael B. Jordan 30:11 Mm.

Jay Shetty 30:12 And I think we all have moments where the cloud feels like it's never moving.

Michael B. Jordan 30:17 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 30:17 And it's constantly raining on you, and I think a lot of people

Jay Shetty 30:20 who are listening may feel that way. Like, have you ever been in that place, and, and how have you ... what has helped with your thought process as you've been tuning that? What's worked for you at least?

Michael B. Jordan 30:29 That's your moment. That's your moment. It's not that all is lost. When you're feeling the most trapped and, and down and nothing can't go right, I feel like those are the moments that- ... define you.

Jay Shetty 30:41 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 30:42 Those are those character canon moments that are like, what am I gonna do now?

Jay Shetty 30:46 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 30:47 You know?

Jay Shetty 30:47 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 30:48 How do you respond to that? And thinking your way, feeling your way, working your way through those things on the other side, it's like, you know, I don't know who said the saying, but like usually, you know, you're the closest-

Jay Shetty 31:00 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 31:01 ... to getting what you want is always the hardest. It's always the feeling when you're getting ready to... You know, people give up right before they get what they've always wanted to get.

Jay Shetty 31:10 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 31:10 People quit-

Jay Shetty 31:11 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 31:11 ... and they give up. And I will not be the person who quit before I got what I wanted or what I needed or what I felt I was supposed to have, you know?

Jay Shetty 31:20 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 31:20 Like, and if that wasn't for me, it wasn't for me. I'ma keep grinding. I'ma keep knocking on the door until I get what I feel. That's been something I've always felt since having the name Michael Jordan and understanding-

Jay Shetty 31:33 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 31:33 ... that there's another guy out there-

Jay Shetty 31:34 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 31:34 ... named Michael Jordan that was the best ever to do something. And being teased and picked on about that and, and, and-

Jay Shetty 31:42 Wow

Michael B. Jordan 31:42 ... and, and made me for a moment not wanting to play sports, but then it was like, nah, I'm actually gonna make sure I'm compet- I'm gonna compete. At least I'm gonna compete. You're gonna at least see me. I'm gonna be somebody that it's not gonna be, "Oh, his name is this." It's gonna be, "Oh, no, but he can play."

Jay Shetty 31:58 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 31:58 Or, "Oh, no, he can... Oh, he, he ha- he has something about him, something that is formidable, that is above average, that is, that is unique to him." And, and I, I... It gave me a healthy chip, you know? So, so, and, and I... and for the people who are listening who, you know, who do have, you know, that doesn't feel like they can change their circumstances with the way they think or they feel, just hold on.

Jay Shetty 32:24 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 32:24 Just endure. Endure, you know? Uh, look at things differently. Ch- challenge yourself to look at things as the glass half full.

Jay Shetty 32:32 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 32:32 Challenge yourself to think four steps ahead. Think your way through it. Like, now we have so many tools. We have so much information.

Jay Shetty 32:40 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 32:41 There's a lot of misinformation out there-

Jay Shetty 32:42 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 32:42 ... but there's, but there's so much information to, to be curious. Find something that you, that does resonate with you, even if it's not in the world that you ever thought you would be in.

Jay Shetty 32:53 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 32:53 Find something that you align with, and... 'cause everybody aligns with something.

Jay Shetty 32:57 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 32:57 That's not an excuse I'm gonna, I'm willing to take from anybody, you know?

Jay Shetty 32:59 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 33:00 Align with something and find your, find your positivity, find your intuition within that thing.

Jay Shetty 33:06 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 33:07 And, and, and be obsessed about it.

Jay Shetty 33:09 Mm. What have

Jay Shetty 33:10 you been obsessed with lately? Like, what would you say is the thing you're most obsessed with right now or, or that you have been in the past couple of years that has kind of just-

Michael B. Jordan 33:20 Man

Jay Shetty 33:20 ... attracted and-

Michael B. Jordan 33:21 I've been obsessed with getting my team right.

Jay Shetty 33:24 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 33:25 I've been obsessed with getting the right personnel on the right brain frequency and getting everybody on the same page-

Jay Shetty 33:33 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 33:34 ... to, to accomplish these things that we need to go accomplish because I truly believe it's gonna be better for everyone.

Jay Shetty 33:43 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 33:43 I think it's really gonna make an impact, you know?

Jay Shetty 33:45 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 33:46 Um, and, and so there's, there's a, there's a obsessiveness that you gotta have to over communicate, to follow up, to be redundant, to be consistent, you know, that you need, and, and I'm obsessed about it, you know? Strengthening my family-

Jay Shetty 34:00 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 34:00 ... I'm obsessed over it, you know?

Jay Shetty 34:02 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 34:02 Uh, to lead by example.

Jay Shetty 34:05 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 34:06 You know?

Jay Shetty 34:06 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 34:06 And break generational trauma and curses.

Jay Shetty 34:08 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 34:08 I'm obsessed over it.

Jay Shetty 34:10 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 34:10 Um, and I'm obsessed over every project that I, uh, lend myself to.

Jay Shetty 34:17 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 34:18 So this next movie that me and Ryan's doing, I'm literally, you know, I'm growing all my stuff out. You know what I mean?

Jay Shetty 34:22 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 34:22 My hair and stuff is out now. I'm becoming obsessed with it.

Jay Shetty 34:26 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 34:26 You know? And that character, and it's, it's a, it's an addictive feeling to have a thought-

Jay Shetty 34:32 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 34:33 ... and see it come to fruition.

Jay Shetty 34:35 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 34:35 To create something out of, out of, you know, out of an i- from an idea.

Jay Shetty 34:39 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 34:39 Um, and to be persistent and to see it and, and to manifest it, you know? Uh, manifestation, I, I just love it. You know what I mean?

Jay Shetty 34:47 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 34:47 It's, it's, it's cool. So, so that's something that I've been, I've been really, really, um, locked in with, and I think it's also something that is gonna help people.

Jay Shetty 34:58 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 34:58 You know? There's, there's always a... I don't want anything that's not multi-hyphenate.

Jay Shetty 35:03 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 35:04 I, I want s- I want anything that I'm involved in, it, it, it, it has to have layers to it. Um, you know, how do you help? How do you educate? What's the leave behind?

Jay Shetty 35:14 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 35:15 What blueprint am I leaving for the next generation? You know, I got a nephew now, you know, that is looking up at me constantly. Yes, because of height, but also because of the example.

Jay Shetty 35:28 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 35:28 You know? And he's mimicking everything I do. He's mimicking anything. I can say something, do something. Like, I sit a certain type of way. Oh, snap, he's doing it too. It's crazy.

Jay Shetty 35:38 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 35:38 So it clarifies your intention when you do things because you want it to have, you know, purpose and intention, you know?

Jay Shetty 35:45 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 35:46 Um, so tho- those are the things a- and I'm obsessed with being the best version of myself, and that's a daily thing, you know? Um, and some days are better than others. Finding my- myself in a world where there's so many seen opinions about yourself, uh, when everybody's telling you who and what you are, you know, learning how to live. You know, growing up and then, like... And, and it's so wild. I've been doing this for 25 years straight, you know? And that's a wild thing to think about. Like, man, more than half of my life has been my identity was been through the work that I've been doing.

Jay Shetty 36:29 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 36:30 And, and, and growing up in, with, you know, social media w- didn't exist. Now it does.

Jay Shetty 36:35 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 36:36 At a point where I'm old enough to understand what that can do. So I'm obsessed with finding myself now Uh, after, and, and, and not having to prove anything to anybody other than myself-

Jay Shetty 36:50 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 36:50 ... and my family, you know?

Jay Shetty 36:51 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 36:52 But really myself.

Jay Shetty 36:53 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 36:53 And realizing that that is enough.

Jay Shetty 36:55 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 36:57 You know what I'm saying? Like that, like giving your best is enough.

Jay Shetty 37:02 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 37:02 And, and sometimes we lose track of that, you know? And, and yeah, so for anybody out there, you know, you're enough,

Michael B. Jordan 37:10 man.

Jay Shetty 37:10 Absolutely. Let's, let's toast to that.

Michael B. Jordan 37:12 Let's toast to that.

Jay Shetty 37:13 Sea Moss, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 37:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 37:14 All right.

Michael B. Jordan 37:14 Shake it up.

Jay Shetty 37:15 Shake it up.

Michael B. Jordan 37:16 Yeah, man.

Jay Shetty 37:16 All right.

Michael B. Jordan 37:16 And this is the pure. So we have three flavors right now.

Jay Shetty 37:20 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 37:20 The mango ginger, the pomegranate, but this is the-

Jay Shetty 37:23 Cheers, man

Michael B. Jordan 37:23 ... ah, cheers, my guy.

Jay Shetty 37:24 There we go.

Michael B. Jordan 37:24 Appreciate you, bro.

Jay Shetty 37:25 I'm excited to try this.

Michael B. Jordan 37:26 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 37:30 Oh, that's good. That's easy.

Michael B. Jordan 37:31 Easy.

Jay Shetty 37:31 It's easy.

Michael B. Jordan 37:32 And anybody that's had like-

Jay Shetty 37:33 It's refreshing, yeah

Michael B. Jordan 37:34 ... Sea Moss in the past, they might not ha-

Jay Shetty 37:35 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 37:35 ... they might not had a good experience 'cause they either they pr- like they, they kind of, you know, tried to clean it and process it themselves.

Jay Shetty 37:40 It's so smooth.

Michael B. Jordan 37:41 Smooth.

Jay Shetty 37:41 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 37:42 Don't taste like the ocean.

Jay Shetty 37:43 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 37:44 But it tastes a little, you know, it's, it's a little heightened.

Jay Shetty 37:47 It, it's like-

Michael B. Jordan 37:48 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 37:48 ... it's refreshing, it's smooth, and it's easy.

Michael B. Jordan 37:51 It's easy.

Jay Shetty 37:51 That's how I feel about it.

Michael B. Jordan 37:52 I love it. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 37:52 It's like, it's like, yeah, I'm like this is like ... mm.

Michael B. Jordan 37:54 And it's a great mixer, you know? You know, I don't know if you know, if you wanna do a, we call 'em Moss tails. But like if you wanna do like mocktails, Moss tails, you know what I'm saying?

Jay Shetty 38:01 Oh, nice.

Michael B. Jordan 38:01 Or if you wanna mix 'em like with drinks, like with, with the spirits and stuff like that, it's, it's a really good ... Uh, yeah, man, I just, uh, this, this is five years of, of obsession. Uh, you know, obviously when, you know, health scares all over the place, people, n- you know, not a lot of information on what's really going on, what can help, what cannot help. I was, you know, finishing up a movie in Berlin, um, and, you know, doing my own stunts, not sleeping a lot, in a foreign place. You know, uh, food was really, wasn't really my thing as much, and I was looking for something to kinda just help me get through my shoot days.

Jay Shetty 38:34 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 38:35 And, um, and I would just chug Sea Moss.

Jay Shetty 38:37 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 38:37 Like, I mean by the jar just to-

Jay Shetty 38:39 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 38:39 ... 'cause I, I mean, I'm, I was just like, I, it's gotta be doing good. I know it's doing good [laughs] , you know? Just by the jar. And, and, and then, you know, on my, the flight home, I was like there's gotta be a better way.

Jay Shetty 38:49 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 38:49 So I started making smoothies, started, you know, blending them in. A- and my sister was pregnant with my, uh, my nephew Lennox at the time. So, you know, at that point everybody was in their own bubble, you know, and you know, you know, wasn't able to kind of visit many people. So we would just blend up smoothies, drop 'em off at the front door. You know, that was my little care package that I would do. I would do, I would do Sea Moss, and I would do like a, you know, a homemade little pasta.

Jay Shetty 39:12 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 39:13 And that was my act of service to my family, you know? So, so, so that, that labor of love, that, that, that kind of, uh, it, it started from a place of just trying to help my family just like-

Jay Shetty 39:22 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 39:22 ... you know, stay healthy during the pandemic.

Jay Shetty 39:24 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 39:24 And it slowly evolved into something that I wanted to get, you know, uh, make it accessible to everyone.

Jay Shetty 39:30 Yeah. For people who don't know the benefits of Sea Moss, what are some of the things and the properties?

Michael B. Jordan 39:33 It's that cognitive brain.

Jay Shetty 39:35 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 39:35 You know, it's that clarity. Uh, your, your, your immune system. So being able to harvest them in a way that, that gets those nutrients inside of this drink in your daily dose of Moss-

Jay Shetty 39:47 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 39:47 ... is something that I was really, really exciting me, um, about just like making up a beverage about it.

Jay Shetty 39:51 Yeah. The aftertaste is great, too.

Michael B. Jordan 39:53 There's no hiding it.

Jay Shetty 39:54 Yeah, it's, it's nice.

Michael B. Jordan 39:54 It's, it's there.

Jay Shetty 39:55 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 39:55 You know, it makes you wanna drink more of it.

Jay Shetty 39:57 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 39:57 You know?

Jay Shetty 39:57 100%, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 39:58 And, um, and yeah.

Jay Shetty 39:59 You've done good, man.

Michael B. Jordan 39:59 It's good, man.

Jay Shetty 40:00 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 40:00 It's good and, and it's, it's, uh, yeah, I'm proud of it.

Jay Shetty 40:04 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 40:04 I'm proud of it.

Jay Shetty 40:05 Congratulations.

Michael B. Jordan 40:05 Thanks, man.

Jay Shetty 40:05 That tastes great.

Michael B. Jordan 40:06 Thanks, man.

Jay Shetty 40:06 No.

Michael B. Jordan 40:07 Now we know we gotta go to yours, man.

Jay Shetty 40:08 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 40:08 What's up?

Jay Shetty 40:08 We gotta ... No, we'll have to do a-

Michael B. Jordan 40:09 No?

Jay Shetty 40:09 ... we'll have to do a Moss tail now with the Juni-

Michael B. Jordan 40:11 Okay, yeah, let's do it. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 40:12 ... Juni Moss. Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 40:13 No, but I love it 'cause ashwagandha, we got ashwagandha in ours as well-

Jay Shetty 40:16 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 40:16 ... and ginseng. So I mean, you, you, you got all the adaptogens in it, so that's great.

Jay Shetty 40:20 Yeah, yeah. No, it's been, it's been a, a labor of love for us, too. It's like me and my wife always talked about it as our COVID baby. It's like this is what we were working on 'cause we were the same. We've been addicted to tea our whole lives.

Michael B. Jordan 40:31 Mm.

Jay Shetty 40:32 And we did a hot tea as well, but we were like, you know, for a lot of people, their hot drink is coffee, and we're like, "Well, wait a minute, what if your soda-

Michael B. Jordan 40:39 Mm

Jay Shetty 40:39 ... could be healthy for you and good for you? And, you know, how could we do it where it has, you know, zero grams of sugar?"

Michael B. Jordan 40:45 Love that.

Jay Shetty 40:45 Like, how do you still get it to taste great with no sugar? 'Cause mo- me and my wife are both off of refined sugars, and-

Michael B. Jordan 40:50 You got it

Jay Shetty 40:50 ... trying to be healthy and all the rest of it.

Michael B. Jordan 40:51 Yep.

Jay Shetty 40:52 And then you realize that all the sodas you're drinking are, are full of it. So how do we make it easy for people to understand these herbs and these adaptogens?

Michael B. Jordan 41:00 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 41:00 And, you know, because a lot of people, we grew up with it. We were lucky in, in our culture, in Indian culture, you grow up with a lot of these herbs and spices in your daily food.

Michael B. Jordan 41:07 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 41:08 And but a lot of people don't have access to that.

Michael B. Jordan 41:10 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 41:10 So it's like how do you make it easy, uh, when people may not have it in their kitchen? So yeah, man.

Michael B. Jordan 41:14 Yep.

Jay Shetty 41:15 I, I'll send you some to try later as well.

Michael B. Jordan 41:16 No, please do, man.

Jay Shetty 41:17 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 41:17 I see you got the agave in there and everything, and I, I love this, man.

Jay Shetty 41:20 I was loving what you were saying about the building of teams.

Michael B. Jordan 41:24 Mm.

Jay Shetty 41:25 Because ... And, and something you said was like how do you keep everyone on like the fre- same frequency and, like, attract those people? And I went, I went through a big thing for that in a certain part of my work around two years ago.

Michael B. Jordan 41:36 Mm.

Jay Shetty 41:36 A lot of people that are in my sphere today, some of them have been around since the beginning, and, and some of them came on in the last two years.

Michael B. Jordan 41:43 Mm.

Jay Shetty 41:43 And it has been life-changing.

Michael B. Jordan 41:44 Yes.

Jay Shetty 41:44 Like absolutely life-changing from a energy standpoint, from a spirit standpoint-

Michael B. Jordan 41:49 Mm

Jay Shetty 41:49 ... and from a productivity, effectiveness standpoint.

Jay Shetty 41:52 W- how have you been trained, or what are you, how do you sense, beyond, like, someone being able to do the job, obviously, how have you been able to learn how to sense or understand whether someone's on that same brainwave and, as you said, or brain energy as you are, and, and has that same value set that you have?

Michael B. Jordan 42:10 I think it's, uh, a lot of conversations and, and, and sometimes trial and error. Uh, I think my in- my intuition and my gut is, is the first, you know, litmus test, is the first kinda line of defense, you know, that I, that I have of, like, energy's vibe, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay, that, that, that, that you feel on par. How, you know, how you answer a question. What are the things that you're saying, you know? Um, are you speaking from ego?

Jay Shetty 42:36 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 42:36 Are you speaking about, you know, what, what is the, what is the thing, you know? You, you, you know, we're used to, we meet so many people. We have to use quick judgments.

Jay Shetty 42:45 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 42:45 And who gets our time, you know? Um, who do you open up to? Who do you not? And I think when it comes to building into a team- Uh, especially nowadays, you're coming into something that's, that's well-oiled.

Jay Shetty 42:57 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 42:57 You're coming into a machine already.

Jay Shetty 42:58 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 42:59 So you have to fit, not just with me, but you have to kinda fit with everybody.

Jay Shetty 43:03 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 43:03 You know? You, you, you have to know how to communicate the things you need to know how to communicate to. You have to... The, the ego is something that can get in a lot of people's way when joining a team or joining something that's already really established, and I think, I think, um, coming to a place of learning and listening is really important, and not taking things personally.

Jay Shetty 43:20 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 43:21 Um, I, I think, I think, uh... And then it's something to the people that's already been in the team to understand that there's gonna be additions, and there is a process of there's an onboarding. There's a wel- there's a thing that you have to, to bring people into the fold in a way to get the best out of them.

Jay Shetty 43:36 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 43:36 So I think there's been-

Jay Shetty 43:37 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 43:37 ... there's been those learning things along the way that's really, uh, that have really helped me identify people who, um, that fit and work well within the circle, you know? Um, and, and, uh, yeah, I think that's been my, my kinda process thus far. Uh, and then yeah, I, I always want to create an environment where people want to be.

Jay Shetty 43:55 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 43:56 You know, you're not here for a check.

Jay Shetty 43:57 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 43:57 You, you're here because you believe in what we're doing-

Jay Shetty 43:59 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 43:59 ... and what we wanna do. And I'm pretty transparent about those things.

Jay Shetty 44:03 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 44:03 You know? So, so I think, I think just being extremely transparent and, and, and forward with those things, and, and, and know that it's nothing personal if this isn't it, you know?

Jay Shetty 44:12 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 44:12 Like, I'm, I'm the best, I'm the, I'm the guy that's always gonna give you a great recommendation.

Jay Shetty 44:16 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 44:16 You know what I mean? Like, I'm al-

Jay Shetty 44:17 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 44:18 ... I, I want, I want people to win.

Jay Shetty 44:19 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 44:19 You know, at the end of the day, I want people to win. And, and seeing somebody and their strengths, you know, and being like, "Okay, I c- I can use that."

Jay Shetty 44:28 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 44:28 That, th- this, this, this would be helpful in this way. Um, and if that works out, it works out, and if not, then man, I, man, I wanna see you do well.

Jay Shetty 44:36 Yeah. I love that. Yeah, we... I remember years ago, I was listening to Eric Schmidt, who-

Michael B. Jordan 44:40 Mm

Jay Shetty 44:40 ... was the CEO of Google for a bit.

Michael B. Jordan 44:42 Yep.

Jay Shetty 44:42 And he was talking about how they were looking for smart creatives, and I love that, that they had two words that kind of summed up what they looked for. They, they looked for people who were smart creatives, and for me, it became humble champions. I was like-

Michael B. Jordan 44:52 Mm. Mm

Jay Shetty 44:53 ... I want humble winners. I want, I want the people who can, who wanna win and have that ambition, but are able to put their ego aside-

Michael B. Jordan 44:59 Yes

Jay Shetty 44:59 ... because then we're gonna speed up getting there, because the thing that slows you down from winning is ego. Like-

Michael B. Jordan 45:04 1,000%

Jay Shetty 45:04 ... the thing that stops you from passing the ball is ego or, you know, bowing out and saying, "It's your turn" is ego. And so... But, but you still have to have that champion mindset-

Michael B. Jordan 45:12 Got you

Jay Shetty 45:12 ... 'cause it isn't just about, "Oh yeah, no, no, no, you do it, your thing." Like, and that was a big thing. And then the other thing that worked-

Michael B. Jordan 45:18 Mm

Jay Shetty 45:18 ... for me was I was like, I need to work with people that I could go to breakfast, lunch, or dinner with-

Michael B. Jordan 45:22 Yes

Jay Shetty 45:22 ... if we didn't work together.

Michael B. Jordan 45:23 Yes, man. That's good.

Jay Shetty 45:24 Like, do I actually wanna go to breakfast, lunch, and dinner with this person? Because I probably will be-

Michael B. Jordan 45:28 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 45:28 ... when I'm traveling or on the road. That means I like spending time with them, which means I'm happy to coach them-

Michael B. Jordan 45:34 Yes

Jay Shetty 45:34 ... and I'm happy to learn from them.

Michael B. Jordan 45:35 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 45:36 Whereas if I don't want to, and, and initially I was like that. I used to just hire people who were great at what they did.

Michael B. Jordan 45:42 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 45:42 But we didn't really have chemistry. Like, we didn't, we didn't, we couldn't hang out, and that wasn't because they were wrong. It was also because I wasn't aware.

Michael B. Jordan 45:48 Got you.

Jay Shetty 45:49 And, and then of course, yeah, the mission, the purpose is, I mean, that's core and central and-

Michael B. Jordan 45:54 Be- because even for you, I mean, you're spending time from y- your family.

Jay Shetty 45:57 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 45:57 With, you know, your team becomes your extended family. They, they-

Jay Shetty 46:00 Absolutely

Michael B. Jordan 46:00 ... they are your family. You're eating, like you said, w- breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you know? Like, there's, there's a part of you that, you know, it has to feel like I'm getting a little bit of my family here.

Jay Shetty 46:11 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 46:11 And if it's not that, you know, it's really hard for me, you know? And obviously-

Jay Shetty 46:15 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 46:15 ... like, you know, you have a bigger company and there's employees, and you're not gonna be as personal with everybody within the company. You know, you're not having breakfast, lunch, lunch or dinner with everybody.

Jay Shetty 46:23 [laughs] Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 46:23 But, but there's a, there's a, there's a feeling of, you know, I, I don't mind on a Sunday everybody at my house watching the game, spending time, 'cause that's when, not the 9:00 to 5:00 time to be creative or the 9:00 to 5:00 time to do the job. That's the, that's the extra mile. That's the, "Oh, I had this idea and I was just thinking," "Oh, oh, we're looking at something together and this would be great." Though the best ideas sometimes come from those just hangout moments.

Jay Shetty 46:52 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 46:52 And those moments where you're just spending time with, with, uh, with people that you work with. So yeah, I think that, yeah, you're right. That's, that's really important.

Jay Shetty 46:58 Yeah, for sure. When I, before

Jay Shetty 47:00 the obsession point that came up-

Michael B. Jordan 47:01 Mm

Jay Shetty 47:01 ... which, which was fascinating. I'm glad I asked you that, and you went, you went into it. You're talking about, like, you know, you, you live in an industry and you talked about social media where people have an opinion of you. People, people-

Michael B. Jordan 47:11 Mm.

Jay Shetty 47:11 Even an opinion is that people have a lens because they've seen you in a particular light. And I was wondering, like, what do you think something that people get right about you? And what's something that people sometimes get wrong about you? Like, what, what do you feel like when it comes to that? Like, I'll tell you mine. Like, I feel like-

Michael B. Jordan 47:24 Mm

Jay Shetty 47:24 ... for me, a lot of people think that I get, like, often because of what I teach and what I'm sharing and what I'm guiding, it's like, "Oh, well Jay must get everything perfect all the time."

Michael B. Jordan 47:34 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 47:34 And like, you know, he's like super deep and like always just saying-

Michael B. Jordan 47:37 Yeah

Jay Shetty 47:37 ... profound things and-

Michael B. Jordan 47:38 Yeah, yeah

Jay Shetty 47:38 ... and that's not true, obviously, because as much as that is who I am and that is my heart, I'm not always like that.

Michael B. Jordan 47:45 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 47:45 Like, I have, I have bad days, I have bad moods, I have off days, I have-

Michael B. Jordan 47:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah [laughs]

Jay Shetty 47:49 ... I have days when I'm not feeling that way, right?

Michael B. Jordan 47:51 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 47:51 And so that's, that's something that people get wrong about me sometimes in the, in that perception because-

Michael B. Jordan 47:56 Mm

Jay Shetty 47:56 ... but I'm dedicated to this work. I'm obsessed with it. I'm obsessed with being better, but that doesn't remove me from having flaws and weaknesses.

Michael B. Jordan 48:04 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 48:04 And, and so yeah. Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 48:06 You should do a blooper reel.

Jay Shetty 48:07 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 48:08 You sh- you sh- you should do a blooper outtake reel of those moments. You ask your team to catch you in these little moments, and you should put one out. That'll be fun.

Jay Shetty 48:14 That would be fun. All right.

Michael B. Jordan 48:15 That would, that would be fun. I think that'd be fun. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 48:16 We'll get one on it. Yeah, I like that. I like that.

Michael B. Jordan 48:19 That'd be a good one.

Jay Shetty 48:19 I like that.

Michael B. Jordan 48:20 I, I think for me it's like, I think I've intentionally stayed out the way so much where I'm not giving anybody any- anything to go off of other than what I want you to know.

Jay Shetty 48:32 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 48:33 You know, I think, I think that's been it for a long time. I've always had the approach of like not speaking on things and not giving them life, you know? There's, there's-

Jay Shetty 48:41 I get that

Michael B. Jordan 48:41 ... there's gonna be perspectives, and there's things about you that just aren't true. Uh, do you, do you care to correct somebody or not? You know, 'cause most of the time people's minds are made up no matter what you say.

Jay Shetty 48:52 Totally.

Michael B. Jordan 48:53 It is what it's gonna be. You know, stay out the comment section, you know what I mean?

Jay Shetty 48:56 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 48:56 You get some great entertainment in there, but then you can get a lot of stuff that is just ... people who want to project the thing that's gonna get the most attention.

Jay Shetty 49:06 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 49:07 And the, the issue that I have with a lot of that is they can be completely false, and we have a, a industry of, we were talking earlier, the lack of journalism and the skill of that, that will run with those things knowing that there is no basis to them. But now that's a narrative that's attached to you that you have to be strong enough and strong-minded enough to ignore knowing it's not true, or this human nature feeling of wanting to, "No, that's not true. I want people to know this about me."

Jay Shetty 49:38 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 49:39 And I've always walked on that line of, you know, not caring, trying not to care-

Jay Shetty 49:47 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 49:47 ... and knowing that I'm enough-

Jay Shetty 49:50 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 49:50 ... and, and, and knowing my truth, and the people who know me, know me.

Jay Shetty 49:53 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 49:54 You know, I am about my community and my people-

Jay Shetty 49:57 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 49:57 ... you know, wholeheartedly.

Jay Shetty 49:59 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 49:59 And a lot of the choices that I make and the things that I wanna do and be a part of is in service of that bigger picture-

Jay Shetty 50:07 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 50:07 ... you know, of, of helping that, you know, my community in a, in a big way. Um, so I think the biggest thing sometimes if, if they ever feel like that they're not my top priority is maybe one of the biggest misconceptions.

Jay Shetty 50:22 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 50:23 Um, you know, the, the love I have for my community.

Jay Shetty 50:27 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 50:28 Regardless of people's approach, I think everybody has a different strategy and approach to how they affect and make change.

Jay Shetty 50:36 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 50:36 Everybody, it doesn't all look the same.

Jay Shetty 50:38 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 50:39 Um, and because it may not be typical or the average voice because the package is different and the craft in my field is different, so I have a different set of boundaries that exist in my lane that I maneuver without-

Jay Shetty 51:00 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 51:01 ... well, w- in and out of.

Jay Shetty 51:02 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 51:03 Like, I love playing chess. I love s- I love, I love strategy. I love, I love rever- reverse engineering and building things. So I, I think, I think that's one of the, the biggest things. And, you know, sometimes ignorance and a laugh or a joke or a like or a thing, we've, we've, uh, encouraged the behavior-

Jay Shetty 51:27 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 51:27 ... of negativity and things, and loudness is all, is the thing. And, and, and that's just not what, that's not what I'm into.

Jay Shetty 51:35 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 51:35 I'm into the love of things. I'm into the, the humanity and bringing people together the best way and, but also I'm human.

Jay Shetty 51:42 Yeah. [laughs] No, I, I appreciate that. I mean, I, I also think we've put a false pressure on the definition of authenticity, meaning-

Michael B. Jordan 51:50 Mm

Jay Shetty 51:50 ... you share everything with everyone.

Michael B. Jordan 51:52 Mm.

Jay Shetty 51:53 And I'm not sure I vibe with that definition because I think authenticity by nature is you sharing what you feel comfortable-

Michael B. Jordan 52:03 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 52:03 ... with each person. [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 52:04 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 52:04 Like, that's what it means to be authentic. And you could argue that authentic just means being however you wanna be in any given situation. And so I think there has become a false pressure of, oh, you gotta show you're authentic by-

Michael B. Jordan 52:16 Mm

Jay Shetty 52:16 ... showing every part of yourself.

Michael B. Jordan 52:18 Mm.

Jay Shetty 52:18 And I don't know if that, that triggers anything for you, is like what's the definition of authenticity for you? Or for me, that's what it is, but-

Michael B. Jordan 52:26 Yeah. I, I-

Jay Shetty 52:26 ... what is it for you?

Michael B. Jordan 52:26 ... I think it's, um, but then in hindsight, there's a, there's a piece of it that, not even just to go back, but there's, there's also like maybe that's my insecurity framing what the loudness of the things that I'm most sensitive of.

Jay Shetty 52:44 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 52:45 Is, uh, is this noise somehow-

Jay Shetty 52:48 Yeah, it triggers us for a reason.

Michael B. Jordan 52:50 It, it, you know what I'm saying?

Jay Shetty 52:50 There's some stuff that you just go, "Oh, yeah. Yeah."

Michael B. Jordan 52:52 Oh, yeah, whatever. But it's like-

Jay Shetty 52:54 And then there's some stuff-

Michael B. Jordan 52:54 ... but it's some stuff that's just like, man, like why does that-

Jay Shetty 52:56 Gets under our skin

Michael B. Jordan 52:56 ... why does that bother me so much?

Jay Shetty 52:58 Yep.

Michael B. Jordan 52:58 Like, there's something, there's something about that that because I know what that does in the bigger s- Like, I'm always thinking bigger picture. It's very rarely that I really focus on the thing. It's always about what's the cause of that in a bigger conversation, you know? Um, the, the authenticity to me is being able to sleep at night, being able to go talk to my mom, and, and, and knowing that the, the people that know me, every fiber of my being, every my, my intention, knows my heart through and through, that they see the same person.

Jay Shetty 53:35 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 53:36 They're able to connect with the same energy and the same vibe and the same spirit. My energy has never changed.

Jay Shetty 53:41 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 53:42 You know, I think being authentic to that frequency is super important to me. No matter where I go, no matter how I evolve, um, and have to mature and grow up, I want my energy to always feel the same.

Jay Shetty 53:56 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 53:56 That's why when you meet certain people and it's been years that go by and you pick right back up where you left off-

Jay Shetty 54:00 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 54:00 ... it feels like no time is lost. That energy is never, it's always the same.

Jay Shetty 54:03 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 54:04 And I, I love when people I haven't seen in a long time or come at me like, "Man, whoa, it feel..." You know, it's the same. And that, and that, that just lets me know that I'm not losing myself and I'm not losing track of, you know, who I am-

Jay Shetty 54:16 Yes

Michael B. Jordan 54:17 ... and where I come from. And I, I am always gonna be a agent of change, Trojan horse or not, you know what I'm saying?

Jay Shetty 54:26 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 54:26 And, and yeah, you know, just, and, and continue to lead by example.

Jay Shetty 54:30 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 54:30 You know, I, I know, I know, um, the path that I'm on isn't easy. You know, sometimes it may look easy, you know, uh, for the successes or whatever, but, but it's, uh, behind closed doors I'm doing, I'm doing the, the, the work so the future generations have it a little bit easier-

Jay Shetty 54:49 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 54:49 ... or have a little bit more tools to use.

Jay Shetty 54:51 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 54:52 Um, and they can ask for certain things that won't be like, "What?" It'll be almost standard for them.

Jay Shetty 54:58 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 54:58 You know? And, you know, from my vantage point, I'm able to see a lot of the road- Blocks that exist within s- systems, you know, and, and paperwork and precedence. I've been chipping away at those-

Jay Shetty 55:15 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 55:15 ... where I can in places. And there's so many... Look, I, I say I a lot in this interview. There's so many people out there that are doing that type of work, you know, that exist, men and women in these places that are breaking down doors, that are chipping away.

Jay Shetty 55:31 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 55:31 It's like Shawshank Redemption.

Jay Shetty 55:32 Yeah. [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 55:33 You know, gra- rock at a time.

Jay Shetty 55:35 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 55:35 Gravel at a time, you know? Eventually that hole's gonna be open, you know what I'm saying? Eventually it's gonna be open, but just chipping away. And unfortunately, everybody can't be the loudest one in the room.

Jay Shetty 55:47 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 55:47 You know? You gotta be, sometimes you gotta be the quiet guy in the room. You gotta l- listen and, and look and pay attention-

Jay Shetty 55:54 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 55:54 ... and, and, and move how you need to move. Uh, there's chess pieces that they have different rules and different movements for a reason.

Jay Shetty 56:02 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 56:02 You know, and they're on the board in different places for a reason. And, and, uh, I know my place-

Jay Shetty 56:07 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 56:07 ... on the board.

Jay Shetty 56:08 Mm. And I think that's, that's what it comes down to, right? It's like, I appreciate you bringing out that point around how things that trigger us-

Michael B. Jordan 56:16 Mm

Jay Shetty 56:16 ... give us somewhere to focus on in ourse-

Michael B. Jordan 56:20 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 56:20 ... within ourselves.

Michael B. Jordan 56:21 For sure.

Jay Shetty 56:21 Like, I feel like that, too. Like, I'm like, there's certain things that just don't phase me at all.

Michael B. Jordan 56:26 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 56:26 And I can look like the most detached guy and, like, I- I'm, I'm, you know, I'm bulletproof.

Michael B. Jordan 56:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 56:32 But then there's something that gets through that vest.

Michael B. Jordan 56:34 [laughs] It's just like-

Jay Shetty 56:35 And, and you know it's because there's a part of it that feels true.

Michael B. Jordan 56:38 Mm-mm.

Jay Shetty 56:39 And, and there's a part of you that you've allowed for it to feel true.

Michael B. Jordan 56:43 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 56:43 Because it could be that you are... There's, there's a part of your self-esteem you haven't worked on. There's, there's something you took from your childhood and made true for you, and now when someone else says it and you didn't even know where it came from. But, you know, I was talking to a friend the other day, and we were talking about how one of his mentors was letting him down, and-

Michael B. Jordan 57:01 Hmm

Jay Shetty 57:01 ... we discovered in that... I've been friends with this guy for, like, 20 years. We're best mates.

Michael B. Jordan 57:07 Mm.

Jay Shetty 57:08 And it was, like, 20 years later, we figured out that he'd made his mentor his father figure.

Michael B. Jordan 57:12 Okay.

Jay Shetty 57:13 And he didn't really put two and two together until just now, and neither did I for him. And he was like, "Wait a minute, no wonder I'm feeling so much pain with this mentor of mine, because I'd made him a father figure and gone through that feeling of he's Superman-

Michael B. Jordan 57:26 Mm

Jay Shetty 57:26 ... and now realizing he's not, even though I'm a 40-year-old man-

Michael B. Jordan 57:29 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 57:29 ... for him."

Michael B. Jordan 57:30 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 57:30 And so it's just so interesting how the-

Michael B. Jordan 57:32 Wow

Jay Shetty 57:32 ... stuff that gets under our skin-

Michael B. Jordan 57:34 Yeah

Jay Shetty 57:34 ... it, it can just be hidden there, and it gets stale and stuck and, and then you don't look at it because you're like, "Oh, no, no, it's nothing, it's nothing." But at one point when you feel safe enough-

Michael B. Jordan 57:44 Yeah

Jay Shetty 57:44 ... you have to kind of, like, look under the hood and go, you know, "Why is that there?" But coming on to the point you were just making around paving the way for others and setting an example and the responsibility that comes with, and like you said, there's so many people doing that.

Michael B. Jordan 57:59 Mm.

Jay Shetty 57:59 I feel like how would you define your current purpose? Like, how do you define with everything you're doing?

Michael B. Jordan 58:04 Mm.

Jay Shetty 58:04 'Cause you talked about purpose being a big thing for you, and you talk about the mission of

Jay Shetty 58:08 your company. Like, what is the purpose of that work? Who- which doors are you trying to open? Which paperwork are you trying to shift? What systems are you trying to affect?

Michael B. Jordan 58:17 I think I have my purpose right now.

Jay Shetty 58:18 Mm. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 58:19 You know? I, I think, I think I have a, a, a chapter, 25 years acting, um, you know, producing, you know, being in front of the camera, being talent, learning so much about the world, about myself, about the industry. You know, I think being a, a representative as a, from my community in a, in a way that places that a Black actor hasn't gone.

Jay Shetty 58:43 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 58:43 You know? Um, obviously you have the greats, you have the Wills and the Denzels, you know what I'm saying, that, that I look up to in a big way that, you know, that, that through their talent, the, the, the business and the craft has ascended to a new height.

Jay Shetty 58:57 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 58:57 So they've opened up doors for me that I didn't even know was possible. That now it's like, oh, wow, now we have this and that. Now I could do that and do that. So they've kicked the door down in a way that's like, you know, internally grateful. So, like, leading by example is a, is a big purpose, you know? To-

Jay Shetty 59:13 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 59:13 ... for people to be able to see it. 'Cause it was big for me to see it-

Jay Shetty 59:17 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 59:17 ... and think that I can do it, too. So there's that, there's that part of it.

Jay Shetty 59:20 Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 59:21 There's the, um, the business side of things that I've got an opportunity to learn from investing your money. You know, what do you do with the, the savings and the things that you do have?

Jay Shetty 59:32 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 59:33 I'm a big sports guy, you know.

Jay Shetty 59:34 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 59:34 I've always wanted to, you know, own a team. I'm competitive. I wanted to be involved in that, in that, in that environment, that energy, you know, of sports. And, uh, found a football team, you know, in Bournemouth, a great part-

Jay Shetty 59:45 Yeah, soccer. As in football in my world.

Michael B. Jordan 59:47 So- so- soccer. Yeah, football in your world.

Jay Shetty 59:47 Football in my world, but so-

Michael B. Jordan 59:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But soccer.

Jay Shetty 59:49 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 59:49 I've, I've literally had to, like, you know, bite my... I cannot say soccer anymore 'cause-

Jay Shetty 59:52 Yeah. No, say football.

Michael B. Jordan 59:53 I gotta say football.

Jay Shetty 59:54 Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 59:55 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 59:55 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 59:56 Uh, and, and, um, great, great partner in, you know, Bill Foley, and he owns the Las Vegas Golden Knights and, and really trying to turn that program around and, and just, just amplify it in a big way. But learning, you know, how to invest in those things.

Jay Shetty 1:00:10 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:00:11 You know? Uh, oh, there's gonna be a new stadium. Oh, there's opportunity to invest in real estate.

Jay Shetty 1:00:17 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:00:18 Oh, wow, now you invest in real estate in something that's gonna be around for, you know, however many year lease and this and that. Okay, cool, I can take that. And-

Jay Shetty 1:00:26 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 1:00:27 ... oh, wow. Uh, investing in, you know, started a, a JV for, you know, um, underneath an umbrella company to have your own product, and then from there you can create another JV. Oh, you can invest capital. Oh, you can have a venture fund. Oh, oh, snap. Okay. Wow. This is a whole other game.

Jay Shetty 1:00:45 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:00:45 This is a whole other nuance of, uh, acquisitions and investment and capital that I never even knew exist. I'm, I'm used to, you know, W-9 forms and taxes.

Jay Shetty 1:00:56 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:00:56 You know, like, you know what I'm saying? On that, you know, on the, on, on the talent side, there's a whole other game to be played. Um, and, and taking that information, just the information that that exists-

Jay Shetty 1:01:09 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:01:09 ... and what that would do to- ... you know, to, to the next generation.

Jay Shetty 1:01:13 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:01:13 You know, knowing what's available to him.

Jay Shetty 1:01:15 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:01:16 Knowing that there's other ways to maximize my, my, my brand, you know, your brand. Um, creating things, ownership of things.

Jay Shetty 1:01:24 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:01:25 Um, as streamers and studios and there's, there's so many other platforms that are, you know, people are content crazy.

Jay Shetty 1:01:32 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:01:32 You know, podcasts, you know, it's become a, a business as well. You know, a new, you know, a new venture that, that people will be able to monetize their own, their own following, their own, their own likeness in a real way. Retirement, what does that look like really?

Jay Shetty 1:01:45 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:01:45 You know? Do, you know, really ta- A will. W- w- leaving a will behind.

Jay Shetty 1:01:51 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:01:51 Like, what? Like-

Jay Shetty 1:01:52 It is, man

Michael B. Jordan 1:01:52 ... I mean, no, I mean, there's things that you just don't get taught.

Jay Shetty 1:01:54 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:01:54 You know, there's nobody, you know, so, so I've stumbled on it, upon it, these things within my success and my intuition and my partnerships and my relationships that... But again, it goes back to like the why me.

Jay Shetty 1:02:06 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:02:06 This one guy, you know, that has got, has gotten access to all these things. And my man over here or my guy over there, nope, they, you guys would never know about none of these things because of how, whatever your life-

Jay Shetty 1:02:17 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 1:02:17 ... path has taken you has not been in these areas or nobody's had the opportunity to say those things to you. So I put that on me as a purpose to be able to-

Jay Shetty 1:02:25 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:02:25 ... to, to give that information-

Jay Shetty 1:02:27 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:02:27 ... you know, in a real way.

Jay Shetty 1:02:29 That's real.

Michael B. Jordan 1:02:29 Um, and identify the, you know, people that are hungry enough and, you know, that want it. You know, that want it. They gotta want it, and they gotta be ab- Then come on, let's go figure it out.

Jay Shetty 1:02:37 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:02:38 All right, let me, let me, let me figure out how to help set you up with the right people so you got the right conversations. You know, and then you also gotta be careful who you help, too. You know, you can't, you know, you wanna help everybody, but you can't help everybody. Um, but you can leave a blueprint for everyone.

Jay Shetty 1:02:53 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:02:54 You know? Sometimes that's all a person should need sometimes is seeing it and, and being in, in, in, in the thought. Then you gotta leave it on the person to do their, their part of the work to lift that part of the weight, to put on that burden, to go do that for themselves, their family, their, their, their, their people within their, their circle and stuff.

Jay Shetty 1:03:17 Yeah, for sure. I like that, man. That's, I mean, it's super powerful because I think, yeah, so many people don't have access, don't understand, don't have the language, don't have the vocabulary.

Michael B. Jordan 1:03:27 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 1:03:27 And it's a, it's a huge purpose.

Jay Shetty 1:03:29 What do you do when it all just gets too much? When you're like, "It's a lot."

Michael B. Jordan 1:03:32 Oh, man.

Jay Shetty 1:03:33 It's a lot.

Michael B. Jordan 1:03:33 I, uh-

Jay Shetty 1:03:33 You know, 'cause you're on shoot days, you're busy, you got this, kind of like what do you do when it all gets too much? What's the first thing?

Michael B. Jordan 1:03:37 I, I try to go to Japan.

Jay Shetty 1:03:38 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:03:39 I try, I try to get on the-

Jay Shetty 1:03:40 I love that

Michael B. Jordan 1:03:41 ... first thing smoking to Japan. I'm out of here. Uh, it's one of the few places that I've been that I, I feel like I just exist.

Jay Shetty 1:03:48 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:03:48 You know what I'm talk-

Jay Shetty 1:03:49 Why Japan?

Michael B. Jordan 1:03:50 I've been... Growing up, I've been obsessed with anime. I'm a big anime guy, you know? So since I was like, you know, 11, 12 years old, it's been anime, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:03:59 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:03:59 And that's been my cartoons, comic books, anime. I mean, that's just like my, you know, uh, escapism.

Jay Shetty 1:04:04 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:04:04 What's the term? I'm, I'm in that. And, you know, growing up watching those shows, you, they, there's so much of their identity and their culture in the dialogue and the messaging and all that stuff. So I just had this idea, this place in my head that ha- was full of respect, and it was hospitable and, uh, hard work and tradition and, you know, I mean, thousands of years of, you know, a couple thousand years of tradition. You know what I'm saying? That, you know, and, that, that exists. And, and I was like, man, I wonder what, uh, this place gonna live up to the expectation. Obviously the food and the culture, all that good stuff. And, uh, yeah, when I went, it, it, it was, it was everything that I thought it would be and more, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:04:46 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:04:47 Um, and obviously I went, went the right type of way. I, you know, I created anime as well, you know, I wanted to like, you know-

Jay Shetty 1:04:53 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 1:04:53 ... 'cause it, they're, they're, they're so loving and, and, and, and, um, welcoming in a really big way. And yeah, for, for me going there, there's not a, you know, a million phones being out. Everybody, they're very respectful of your space.

Jay Shetty 1:05:05 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:05:05 They're, um, and people are gonna obviously come up and say what's up, you know, that, that's what's gonna happen. But it's, it's in a way where you don't feel like I have to hide as much.

Jay Shetty 1:05:14 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:05:15 I feel like I could walk down the streets there a little bit more loosely, and that's something that, you know, I don't really have as much here in LA or, you know, New York you get a little bit more of it.

Jay Shetty 1:05:25 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:05:25 You know what I'm saying? You can kinda like, you know, 'cause people on the East Coast sometimes they be like, "Eh, whatever."

Jay Shetty 1:05:29 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:05:30 Keep pushing. But it's, it's, it's a, it's a different thing. But something about Japan that was awesome and, you know, um, and another place that I can't wait to really go is Ghana as well.

Jay Shetty 1:05:38 Mm. Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:05:39 My dad's been spending a lot of time there.

Jay Shetty 1:05:41 Wow.

Michael B. Jordan 1:05:41 I haven't, like, f- my sche- for whatever reason, every time I'm trying to go, something that I cannot change pops up. But, but that's a place that people tell me stories of the similar feeling-

Jay Shetty 1:05:52 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:05:53 ... of going there and the love and the affinity of being in that place, and really want to go there as well. So, so that, that, that, so if I can't get to Japan-

Jay Shetty 1:06:01 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:06:01 ... I'm usually at the house. I'm either cooking or playing like Call of Duty.

Jay Shetty 1:06:05 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:06:06 I, I'm playing, I'm playing Call of Duty online, you know what I'm saying? Uh, with my boys back, back, you know, from, from all over. And, uh, and, and you know, it's a place where you can j- you know, it's fair game.

Jay Shetty 1:06:16 Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:06:16 You know, it's even playing field. You know what I'm saying?

Jay Shetty 1:06:19 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:06:19 You know, some mindless, you know, kinda, you know, you know, c- camaraderie with your boys and stuff.

Jay Shetty 1:06:23 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:06:23 You know, it's... I, I love cooking. Food is a love language for me, you know, so, so being able to, you know, find a recipe or, and try something new and combine flavors that probably you never thought would go together and just creating those, those moments is another form of art, too. Um, and, and, and I like peop- enjoying people eating my food, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:06:42 Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:06:42 Like, like serving people and being like, "Yo, I normally don't like lamb, but have you had it like this?"

Jay Shetty 1:06:47 Yeah. [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:06:48 [laughs] And then, uh, and it's having people just, you know, react to that is, is a, is a, um, is something that I enjoy doing too.

Jay Shetty 1:06:55 Nice. Now with Bournemouth, we're gonna have to get you into FIFA as well.

Michael B. Jordan 1:06:57 FIFA? Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:06:58 Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:06:58 I, I gotta get on FIFA.

Jay Shetty 1:06:59 Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:06:59 That's the next one.

Jay Shetty 1:07:00 That's my-

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:00 Is that, that your thing?

Jay Shetty 1:07:00 That's what I do. Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:01 [laughs] Okay.

Jay Shetty 1:07:02 That's my, that's my guilty pleasure. Like I-

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:03 There'll be some easy wins at first.

Jay Shetty 1:07:05 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:05 So we'll, we'll start off.

Jay Shetty 1:07:06 Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:06 You, you, you, you get some easy-

Jay Shetty 1:07:07 Yeah, I'll be Bournemouth.

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:07 You'll be Bournemouth? [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:07:08 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:09 Okay. All right, cool. Got it.

Jay Shetty 1:07:09 Yeah, yeah. You pick. You pick.

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:10 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:07:11 Yeah, it'll be good. Dude, I, you've been amazing today. I've got a few more questions I wanna ask you-

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:15 Yeah, yeah

Jay Shetty 1:07:15 ... before I let you go. The, this question is like

Jay Shetty 1:07:18 what has been a lesson you wish you learned earlier in life? Like is there a lesson that you learned recently that you're like, "I wish I learned this one earlier"?

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:28 Being unapologetically honest with what you want

Jay Shetty 1:07:34 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:34 And that, and that-

Jay Shetty 1:07:35 Mm. Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:35 ... goes across the board. I was trying to think of something that kind of crossed the board. If you can communicate your truth and, and, and not worry so much about how somebody's gonna react to what you say. 'Cause a lot of times the fear of how somebody's gonna react to what you, you really wanna say is what stops you from saying it sometimes-

Jay Shetty 1:07:58 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 1:07:58 ... and you find another way, or you put it off, or you don't say it, and then maybe the situation doesn't change and, and you, you get frustrated and upset with why this thing doesn't change because you kinda maybe might not have-

Jay Shetty 1:08:09 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:08:09 ... said it the way you wanted to say it, you know? And I, and I think there's a, you know, a way to be unapologetically and still be respectful-

Jay Shetty 1:08:16 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:08:17 ... and speak your truth.

Jay Shetty 1:08:19 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:08:19 If I think I would've done that earlier-

Jay Shetty 1:08:22 Well said, yeah

Michael B. Jordan 1:08:23 ... I, I, I would've been further along in relationships that I have with people I care about.

Jay Shetty 1:08:30 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:08:31 And, and, and not intimately. I mean, I mean, I mean ac- uh, across the board. Relate- uh, work relationships, business, family, female friends, you know, whatever it may have been. I think being honest with, with, with where you stand and how you feel, it's really giving another person an option and opportunity to be as honest with you.

Jay Shetty 1:08:52 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:08:53 And whatever your fear of that is, of that outcome, it's never really as big a- as what you, you make it up to be, you know? It's really not that. So I, I would say, I would say maybe just being, being, being honest and, um, and living with the results, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:09:07 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:09:07 And then tomorrow is not promised to anyone.

Jay Shetty 1:09:09 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:09:10 But time will move on, you know? It... You will move past it, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:09:14 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:09:14 Um, and if tomorrow never come, at least you can know that you said what you needed to say.

Jay Shetty 1:09:19 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:09:19 You know? I, I, so I think that's one thing that I feel like, like earlier on, if I could, if I, if I had that, might've been better.

Jay Shetty 1:09:26 Yeah. That's a thoughtful answer. I was thinking when you were saying that, it's like we- we're so scared of our honesty hurting someone-

Michael B. Jordan 1:09:32 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:09:32 ... not reas- realizing that us holding back our honesty is hurting them even more-

Michael B. Jordan 1:09:37 It is

Jay Shetty 1:09:37 ... and longer term.

Michael B. Jordan 1:09:38 It is.

Jay Shetty 1:09:39 It's a hard, it's a hard one because when you have to be honest, it makes you look worse, it makes you feel bad, it makes that person feel bad. It gets, it gets messy on so many levels.

Michael B. Jordan 1:09:47 But what if that person needed to hear it?

Jay Shetty 1:09:49 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:09:49 You know? What if that person never heard that, that note or that, that thought or perspective, and then they go on in life, you know, continuing to, you know, move and act and speak in a way without that. You're doing almost a disservice, you know? It goes back to, like, knowing. If you know better, you gotta do better, right?

Jay Shetty 1:10:09 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:10:09 Like, so, so I think that kinda maybe speaks to, like, a bigger thing with me of, like, wanting to just be better-

Jay Shetty 1:10:17 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 1:10:17 ... and wanting people around me to be better and grow. You know, because I guess one, and going back to, you know, just the other misconceptions, like, you know, a thing of people look at me and think I got everything. I got it all, you know? It's not true, man. Like, I'm flawed, you know, and I'm, and I'm actively trying to get better daily, you know? And I fail all the time, and I come up short all the time on even how to communicate, no matter how much coaching I go through and, you know, and practice and, and, and, and, and running conversations through my head, you know, in the shower and like, "All right. I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say that. I wanna hit that point." Okay, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, I'm just in the... I'm, I'm trying to do my best, you know? And I, and I think the weight to try to live up to everybody's perfect expectation of me has been really, really heavy-

Jay Shetty 1:11:08 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:08 ... for a long time.

Jay Shetty 1:11:09 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:09 You know? And I think the last couple years I've been trying to maneuver out of that.

Jay Shetty 1:11:14 Mm. Uh, Mike, we

Jay Shetty 1:11:16 end every episode of On Purpose with a Final Five.

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:19 Okay.

Jay Shetty 1:11:19 These five questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:23 Okay.

Jay Shetty 1:11:23 [laughs] So it can be one sentence. I will ask you to explore it further if-

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:26 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:11:27 ... if some of that hits me.

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:28 Okay. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:11:28 All right. So Mike, these are your Final Five. The first question is... The first que- your ones have two parts. I've never done this before-

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:34 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:11:34 ... but with you I'm about to do it because I think there's some things I really want to know. So the first question is, what is the best advice you've ever had and the worst advice you've ever had?

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:43 Best advice is, uh, if you're unsure about something, take a moment.

Jay Shetty 1:11:47 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:48 You know, if you're unsure, uh, don't, don't, don't answer right away.

Jay Shetty 1:11:52 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:52 Take a moment.

Jay Shetty 1:11:53 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:53 Think about it. It's okay.

Jay Shetty 1:11:55 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:11:55 You know, don't answer just because you feel like you gotta be out and be quick and be fast about it, you know? Uh, 'cause you'll end up stumbling over your words and, and, and, and... or, or not stumbling over your words, saying something that you don't really, really mean.

Jay Shetty 1:12:06 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:06 So I would say that's probably some of the best advice I got.

Jay Shetty 1:12:09 That's very good.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:09 Worst advice, huh, uh, buy it now, you'll get it back.

Jay Shetty 1:12:13 Mm. [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:13 [laughs] Yeah. Just do it. Just spend it now. You, you'll get-

Jay Shetty 1:12:17 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:17 ... you'll make it back.

Jay Shetty 1:12:17 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:17 You know what I'm saying? I, I, I think, I think-

Jay Shetty 1:12:19 Good advice

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:20 ... I, I, I think that's probably, I think that's probably [laughs] some of the worst advice I've got.

Jay Shetty 1:12:23 That's bad, man.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:24 Yeah, yeah. It's quite-

Jay Shetty 1:12:24 What did you buy?

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:25 You, you, I think at the time-

Jay Shetty 1:12:27 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:28 ... it was clothes.

Jay Shetty 1:12:28 Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:29 At the time it was clothes. It was clothes. It was, it was, it was, uh... And I wasn't even really a big clothes guy at the time.

Jay Shetty 1:12:35 Yeah, yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:35 I was like, "Eh, whatever." But it was like, "Yeah, you're right. You know, I'll make it back. Don't worry about it."

Jay Shetty 1:12:40 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:40 "Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, of course I will." You know? Like, yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:12:42 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:42 And then, and then, you know, we're on a 7-11 diet for the next-

Jay Shetty 1:12:46 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:46 ... you know, two months. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:12:48 [laughs] I love it. Good answers. Good answers. All right. I'm gonna give you a choice.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:52 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:12:53 You gotta pick, pick one of these. You gotta choose.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:56 Uh.

Jay Shetty 1:12:56 You choose.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:56 I'm going this one.

Jay Shetty 1:12:57 Yeah, whichever one. Whichever.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:58 That one.

Jay Shetty 1:12:58 Yeah, yeah, all right.

Michael B. Jordan 1:12:59 Well-

Jay Shetty 1:12:59 Take a look

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:00 Oh, man. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:13:02 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:04 I want to know what the other one is. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:13:06 I, I'll let you talk about this one first.

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:07 This one, this is, um-

Jay Shetty 1:13:09 How old?

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:12 Dog- it's my dad's dog tags from the Marines. That linen jacket says, "All my children." I'm saying maybe seven- 16-

Jay Shetty 1:13:27 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:27 ... 17. Maybe like- Disney like super soap weekend or something like that. I think it was like one of those things where like the soap operas had this, this weekend in, in, at, at, uh, I think it was in Cali- Ca- in California.

Jay Shetty 1:13:41 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Disney. And, um, I wanna say this is from that. Is that, is it?

Jay Shetty 1:13:45 No.

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:45 Oh, no, no.

Jay Shetty 1:13:46 I'm asking you.

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:46 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I wanna say that and then-

Jay Shetty 1:13:48 What, what advice would you, what advice would you give to him?

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:51 Uh, savor those moments-

Jay Shetty 1:13:54 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:54 ... of being a teenager.

Jay Shetty 1:13:56 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:13:57 I think, you know, looking back at the teenage years, you know, we ain't have a worry, you know, we, we, whoa, what, what problems we have, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:14:07 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:14:07 It was high school, you know, complaining about homework. You know what I'm saying? Like it, it, it, you know, I was, I was working at that time, you know what I'm saying?

Jay Shetty 1:14:14 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:14:14 So but, but I, I would just say like enjoy those years, man.

Jay Shetty 1:14:18 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:14:18 You know, of just, of just, uh, of the, the purity of it.

Jay Shetty 1:14:22 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:14:22 You know, I, I look back and I was like, man, this is like a, this is a, this is a pretty pure, innocent kid, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:14:27 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:14:28 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:14:28 What would he say back to you now looking at you now?

Michael B. Jordan 1:14:32 Maybe, "I knew you could do it." You know, I, I think I would tell myself that you could do it, too.

Jay Shetty 1:14:37 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:14:38 I, I, I think, I think, you know, nobody thought, I, I mean, I didn't at that time, you know, I think, you know, what, what, what could've been, what, what is.

Jay Shetty 1:14:47 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:14:48 He had a, a, you know, a tho- I had a idea of what could be, you know? I had a f- I always had the, the optimism of what could be, you know? It, it was just like just follow that more maybe.

Jay Shetty 1:15:00 Mm-hmm. I love that, man.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:01 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:15:01 This is the other one.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:03 Ooh!

Jay Shetty 1:15:03 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:05 Oh, this is dope.

Jay Shetty 1:15:06 [laughs] We got plenty.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:08 This is-

Jay Shetty 1:15:08 We just picked these two.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:09 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:15:09 These are the two that the team left me.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:10 I don't know if this is my birthday or my sister's birthday.

Jay Shetty 1:15:13 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:13 But this is my grandmother's kitchen.

Jay Shetty 1:15:14 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:15 And, uh, that's my sister who's right there, and I think she was either helping me cut a cake or something. But-

Jay Shetty 1:15:20 Mm-hmm

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:20 ... yeah, that's my, that's my, my, my ... That was, that was my, my, my guardian. That was my, my, my bodyguard. That was my sister.

Jay Shetty 1:15:27 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:28 That's a good one.

Jay Shetty 1:15:29 I love it.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:29 Yeah,

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:30 yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:15:30 I love it, man. Um, all right. Question number ... I don't know which question we're on now-

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:34 [laughs] Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:15:34 ... 'cause I've totally ignored my own format.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:36 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:15:36 But it's all right. That's the best.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:38 That's the best.

Jay Shetty 1:15:38 That's when it's the best. Uh, what's, what's the best part of being Michael B. Jordan and the worst pos- part of being Michael B. Jordan?

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:45 Being Uncle Mike.

Jay Shetty 1:15:46 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:47 Man, it's a feeling of like with my nephew and my niece that I've never ha- I've never loved something so much.

Jay Shetty 1:15:54 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:15:54 It like, wow, like, whoa. Like I thi- I think being Uncle Mike right now is, is the, is the best part of that-

Jay Shetty 1:16:01 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:16:01 ... right now. Um, worst part, I, I love multitasking. I love, I love, I love, uh, the juggling, the ba- the, the balancing act of the things that I do. I love that.

Jay Shetty 1:16:14 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:16:14 And the worst part is the, the loneliness that comes with that.

Jay Shetty 1:16:18 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:16:18 You know? I think there's a, there's a, there's a, you know, a loneliness that I have. You know, the, the responsibility that you have and is, is, is isolating.

Jay Shetty 1:16:29 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:16:29 And the weight is isolating.

Jay Shetty 1:16:31 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:16:31 So I think, I think the, the worst part of that is, is, is the, the feeling like nobody really understands.

Jay Shetty 1:16:38 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:16:38 And, and sometimes falling into the spaces of like just, you know, being alone.

Jay Shetty 1:16:44 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:16:45 Feeling alone.

Jay Shetty 1:16:45 Mm. Thanks for sharing everything today. I mean, que- okay, question number

Jay Shetty 1:16:49 four. We're nearly there, four and five. Question number four, uh, you talked about knowing your team's love language. This question is my team's love language.

Michael B. Jordan 1:16:55 Okay. Okay.

Jay Shetty 1:16:56 How does being the Sexiest Man Alive find love?

Michael B. Jordan 1:16:58 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:16:59 [laughs] From the girls on my team dedicated to, uh, dedicated to you. So.

Michael B. Jordan 1:17:05 I revert back to the last question.

Jay Shetty 1:17:06 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:17:06 It's very, it's very lonely.

Jay Shetty 1:17:07 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:17:08 No. [laughs] No, it's, uh ... I go back and forth between wanting partnership and then not knowing what's the best partner for me.

Jay Shetty 1:17:22 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:17:23 Like bringing them into my world-

Jay Shetty 1:17:25 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:17:25 ... and what I got going on isn't easy.

Jay Shetty 1:17:27 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:17:28 And it's, it's not just I love you, you love me, that should be enough, right? It's not, it's not quite that simple.

Jay Shetty 1:17:35 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:17:36 You know? I think, I think finding the right person to understand, A, all of me, but then all that comes with me as well.

Jay Shetty 1:17:45 Mm. Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:17:45 And understanding, you know, that balance between wanting to be available and there for that person while I'm juggling everything else, and feeling okay to put the other part of my businesses down and, you know, the sacrifice and compromise that comes with a partnership and a relationship.

Jay Shetty 1:18:07 Mm-hmm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:18:08 And what is ... And, and, and understanding how, h- how to make that all work is sometimes gives me anxiety and pause, you know? And, and, and, and, and then also there's a part of me that has not really lived life yet.

Jay Shetty 1:18:21 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:18:22 I, I, I haven't really traveled as much for fun or just like Japan has been the few times that I've went where I didn't have a schedule, where I didn't have to be somewhere for press. I didn't have to be these mult- I had to put the other hats on, you know? Uh, there's so many different places and people I've never had the opportunity to happily meet-

Jay Shetty 1:18:43 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:18:44 ... that I might connect and vibe with that might be a person that my soul connects to.

Jay Shetty 1:18:49 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:18:49 You know? Um, and, and I think, you know, those things, I, I'm, I'm looking forward to that part of my life. You know, I think the last couple years I'm starting to get to a place where it's like, you know what? I gotta start living.

Jay Shetty 1:19:02 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:19:03 You know, I've been, I've been, I've, I've sacrificed, and I've been in locked, zoned in for so long, it, you know, I owe it to myself a little bit to do that, you know? Um, and I think that's a, a byproduct of being a little bit of a, you know, I'm, I'm a delayed satisfaction, delayed gratification person.

Jay Shetty 1:19:18 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:19:18 Like I can ... I've always wanted to lock in for the first half, do what I gotta do, get to where I need to get to, make sure everything's straight and set up, and then be a little bit more, to have the freedom to move how I wanna move and/or whatever. So that's the long-winded answer-

Jay Shetty 1:19:34 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:19:34 ... of a, of, of a- I'm not, I'm not looking, but it would take a very special person to understand and grow with me, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:19:43 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:19:43 Just the, you know, you wanna create memories. You know, I want, I want a family. You know what I'm saying? Eventually. So we'll see what's up.

Jay Shetty 1:19:49 Yeah. Thank you.

Michael B. Jordan 1:19:49 We'll see about this.

Jay Shetty 1:19:50 You are lucky 'cause I asked you that question. The other question was what's his type, so. [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:19:54 [laughs] I like that. It's ... I like that. I li- I like that question. I like that. Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:19:57 That one. You like that better?

Michael B. Jordan 1:19:59 I ... No, no. I like it-

Jay Shetty 1:19:59 Oh, no, you like the other answer

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:00 ... I like the other answer. Yeah, yeah. It's good. It's good. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:20:01 Oh, I asked the wrong question. I, I was reading you. I was like, yeah, like-

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:04 No, I mean my type-

Jay Shetty 1:20:04 No, I'm joking. [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:06 I don't know. And I ... It's-

Jay Shetty 1:20:07 I wasn't asking you for real.

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:08 Okay, good, good.

Jay Shetty 1:20:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. [laughs] I wasn't.

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:10 We can, we can, we can, we can move on from that one. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:20:12 Yeah, no. I wasn't ... I-

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:13 I's messing with you. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:20:14 Uh, fifth and final question.

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:15 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:20:16 Uh, if you could ... We ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow-

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:22 Ooh

Jay Shetty 1:20:23 ... what would it be?

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:24 A law that you couldn't intentionally kill or cause bodily harm-

Jay Shetty 1:20:31 Ooh

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:31 ... to anyone.

Jay Shetty 1:20:33 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:33 [laughs] I think that covers a lot of stuff. I mean, you still have ... You gotta leave room, people, for, to, humans to be humans, and everybody's not gonna be good. You know, everybody's-

Jay Shetty 1:20:42 Yeah

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:42 ... not gonna have all that in there, but if we can eliminate the senseless killing and, you know, the bodily harms, you know, of other people's bodies in a real way-

Jay Shetty 1:20:54 Mm

Michael B. Jordan 1:20:54 ... I think there's... But then there's, like, the systemic thing I'm trying to get out of, 'cause, like, you know, I'm trying to e- I'm trying to level the playing field.

Jay Shetty 1:21:03 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:04 You know? Um, so just the economic opportunities, that disparity, those, those systematic oppression, the systematic oppression that does exist is the thing that I, I most, I most want to change.

Jay Shetty 1:21:17 Mm.

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:17 So I'm trying to think of... It's a good question, man.

Jay Shetty 1:21:20 Yeah. You keep thinking about it.

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:22 I'm keep ... Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:21:22 You can tell me later.

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:21:24 Yeah. 'Cause I, I like your one 'cause it also applies to, like, you couldn't develop products-

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:30 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:21:30 ... that, like, your, your question, I mean, your answer applies to food, drugs-

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:35 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:21:35 ... medicine, which is kind of what keeps a lot of people stuck in the system.

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:38 S- uh-huh.

Jay Shetty 1:21:39 'Cause if they can on- like, bodily harm to me isn't just physical violence.

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:43 Yes.

Jay Shetty 1:21:43 It's also the kind of things we ingest and consume.

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:46 Correct.

Jay Shetty 1:21:47 And that is what keeps a lot of people stuck, because they're eating unhealthy food-

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:50 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 1:21:50 ... 'cause that's all they have access to, and that's all they can afford, and that, that plays with the econ- I mean, that's what I was hearing too-

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:56 Yep

Jay Shetty 1:21:56 ... on a sub level. I don't know.

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:58 Okay.

Jay Shetty 1:21:58 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:58 All right.

Jay Shetty 1:21:58 [laughs]

Michael B. Jordan 1:21:59 I'm with that.

Jay Shetty 1:22:00 I love it. Uh, Michael B. Jordan. Mike, it has been such a joy, an honor. We gotta do a part two. I've got-

Michael B. Jordan 1:22:05 Yeah. Yes. Let's do it.

Jay Shetty 1:22:06 I could talk to you for hours.

Michael B. Jordan 1:22:07 Same.

Jay Shetty 1:22:07 I've got so many questions, man, like-

Michael B. Jordan 1:22:09 Same, man

Jay Shetty 1:22:09 ... that we could get into. But I wanna thank you for your honesty, your openness, uh, the fun we've had.

Michael B. Jordan 1:22:14 Yes.

Jay Shetty 1:22:15 Bringing moss along. Everyone, if you're not drinking it already, make sure you drink a moss while you listen to On Purpose. And thank you so much for coming by. I want-

Michael B. Jordan 1:22:22 Thank you for having me

Jay Shetty 1:22:22 ... our audience, please tag me and Mike with your favorite moments. I know you guys cut the best clips on TikTok and Instagram. Do that for this episode. There were so many moments where he was just downloading and, uh, I think it's gonna have a big impact. So Mike, thank you again.

Michael B. Jordan 1:22:36 Man, Jay.

Jay Shetty 1:22:36 Very grateful, man.

Michael B. Jordan 1:22:36 Thank you so much for having me, bro.

Jay Shetty 1:22:38 Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan 1:22:38 It's been, it's been an honor. This the ... It was worth the wait, man.

Jay Shetty 1:22:40 Thank you.

Michael B. Jordan 1:22:41 So appreciate you having me and, and anytime.

Jay Shetty 1:22:43 Appreciate you.

Michael B. Jordan 1:22:43 Anytime.

Jay Shetty 1:22:44 Very grateful. If you loved this episode, you'll love my interview with Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and obsessive to find your purpose.

Host 1:22:53 Our children have become less imaginative about how to problem solve, and parents and coaches have become more directive in trying to tell them how to behave versus teaching them how to behave