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NAOMI OSAKA REVEALS the Message Serena Williams Sent Her After their US Open Final Match!

Have you ever felt like losing meant your life was over? When did you realize it’s okay to fail? Today, Jay sits down with four-time Grand Slam champion Naomi Osaka to explore her journey beyond the tennis court. Naomi, known for her powerful game and quiet resilience, opens up about the challenges of fame, the weight of expectations, and how motherhood has reshaped her outlook on life. Jay and Naomi discuss the pressure of being a high-performance athlete, the loneliness that can accompany success, and the struggles of maintaining a sense of self in an industry that often reduces people to their achievements. Naomi candidly describes how, for years, her self-worth was tied to her ranking and performance, but becoming a mother has given her a new perspective—one that prioritizes joy, presence, and growth over perfection. The conversation also dives into Naomi’s evolving relationship with competition. While she once measured her success by titles and trophies, she now finds fulfillment in self-discovery and personal progress. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Detach Your Self-Worth from Achievements How to Cope with External Expectations and Criticism How to Use Journaling for Self-Reflection and Growth How to Prioritize Mental Health in High-Pressure Situations How to Learn from Setbacks Without Letting Them Define You Success is not just about winning; it’s about growing, learning, and showing up for yourself every day. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty Join over 750,000 people to receive my most transformative wisdom directly in your inbox every single week with my free newsletter. Subscribe here. Join Jay for his first ever, On Purpose Live Tour! Tickets are on sale now. Hope to see you there! What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:47 Open Discussions About Mental Health 03:10 Impulsiveness as an Athlete 05:28 Moving From Japan to USA 08:02 Lifelong Training and Career 10:13 Incorporating Culture in Fashion 12:38 Discipline and Diet 13:53 Indulging in Guilty Pleasures 16:48 Passing Time While Having Impulsive Tendencies 18:46 Winning the First Grand Slam 21:09 Dealing with Public Hate 22:39 A Long-Time Serena Williams Fan 25:16 Experiencing Motherhood 27:39 The Different Facets of Life 29:07 The Power of Journaling 31:55 Loving the Life You're Living 34:57 The Habit of Comparing Yourself to Others 36:27 Stop Chasing Your Old Self 38:21 Motherhood Realizations 39:46 Rigorous Training After Giving Birth 41:18 Setting Boundaries During PressCon 43:01 No One Can Predict Someone's Path 45:21 Finding Calmness Through Meditation 47:44 Setting New Goals 50:25 Shamed for Taking a Break 54:17 Getting Support from Fellow Athletes 55:52 Friendships and Camaraderie 57:08 Mentored by Kobe Bryant 59:31 The Haitian Way of Giving 01:00:58 Who Are You Spending Your Time With the Most? 01:04:29 Loving Yourself and How You Look 01:05:29 Game Day Routine 01:07:33 You're Never Alone 01:09:04 Fear of Being Forgotten 01:12:40 Naomi on Final Five Episode Resources: https://www.instagram.com/jayshetty https://www.facebook.com/jayshetty/ https://x.com/jayshetty https://www.linkedin.com/in/shettyjay/ https://www.youtube.com/@JayShettyPodcast http://jayshetty.me

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Aug 1, 20251h 15mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. Naomi’s mental health disclosure: pride, embarrassment, and what it changed

    Naomi reflects on sharing her mental health struggles publicly, admitting she feels some embarrassment about her wording and timing, but also pride that it opened doors for broader conversations. Jay frames her vulnerability as a moment that humanized athletes and gave others permission to speak up.

    • Looking back on the mental health announcement three years later
    • Why Naomi feels she could’ve communicated it differently
    • Impact on athletes being seen as human, not “stone cold” performers
    • Emotional decision-making under pressure
  2. Impulsiveness vs. strategy: how her personality shows up on-court and off

    Naomi describes herself as highly impulsive—quick to act and drawn to spontaneity—while also operating in a sport that demands planning and precision. She explains how she balances creativity (flashy, entertaining shots) with disciplined patterns learned through years of play.

    • Childhood roots of impulsiveness (family stories)
    • When impulsiveness helps: creativity and entertainment in play
    • When it hurts: public moments people ‘know about’
    • Learning a personal tennis “blueprint” over time
    • Being a ‘half-and-half’ player: creative and tactical
  3. Moving from Japan to the U.S.: language loss, identity, and cultural intimacy

    Naomi recalls moving from Japan to America as a toddler and the cultural adjustments that followed—especially a teacher urging her mother to stop speaking Japanese at home. She shares how language preserves closeness and meaning, and why losing fluency still frustrates her.

    • Early memories of Japan and the transition to the U.S.
    • Teacher pressure to prioritize English and its long-term impact
    • Why bilingualism matters for identity and expression
    • The ‘untranslatable’ emotional nuance of speaking Japanese
    • Cultural preservation through language and family intimacy
  4. Her father’s “blueprint” and the family’s all-in training life

    Naomi details the intense family commitment that shaped her career: eight-hour training days with her sister and dad, creating a sense that success was almost inevitable. She describes her father as stoic, the family dream as shared, and “King Richard” as strangely familiar.

    • Eight-hour daily training routine as a child
    • Belief that it would be ‘weird’ not to make it
    • Family closeness and sacrifice (New York to Florida move)
    • Watching “King Richard” and recognizing parallels
    • Father’s personality: stoic, joke-cracking, mission-driven
  5. Living two cultures: Haitian generosity and Japanese promptness

    Naomi explains how Haitian and Japanese cultural values show up in her mindset and habits. She highlights Haitian hospitality—giving even with little—and Japanese punctuality and structure as a grounding counterbalance to her impulsive side.

    • Haitian ‘giving with nothing to give’ as a core influence
    • Hospitality and warmth when visiting Haiti
    • Japanese punctuality and being ‘on task’
    • How these traits shape her personality and leadership
    • Yin-yang of discipline and spontaneity
  6. Discipline, diet, and guilty pleasures: rice, racing, and growing safer with motherhood

    Naomi shares what discipline looks like right now—cutting out rice despite it being central to her cultures—then contrasts it with her impulsive nighttime drives and occasional street races. She notes how becoming a mother shifted her risk tolerance and safety mindset.

    • Cutting out rice as a major discipline challenge
    • Building a healthier relationship with cravings and routine
    • Night driving and racing as a ‘guilty pleasure’ outlet
    • How motherhood changes her relationship to danger
    • Seeking freedom and anonymity (tinted windows, late-night drives)
  7. Filling time when life is hyper-structured: gaming, manga, and ‘fake shopping’ carts

    Reflecting on earlier career phases, Naomi describes a life so repetitive she could predict it by the minute. Her impulses found outlets online—video games, manga, and filling shopping carts without buying—mirroring window shopping and the comfort of ‘options.’

    • Rigid pre–first Slam routine and predictable days
    • Being ‘chronically online’ as a pressure valve
    • Video games and manga as recovery and escapism
    • Filling online carts without purchasing (the psychology of possibility)
    • How her outlets changed as her time shrank
  8. Winning her first Grand Slam vs. public backlash: the emotional whiplash of the US Open final

    Naomi recounts the surreal mix of achieving a childhood dream—playing Serena in a Slam final—while facing controversy and claims she didn’t deserve the win. She remembers reading hateful comments alone after the match, and how it took years to begin processing it.

    • Dream fulfilled: facing Serena in a first Slam final
    • ‘Not a clean victory’ narratives and constant proving
    • Post-match loneliness: late-night hotel return and comment-reading
    • Why media training couldn’t prepare her for global scrutiny
    • Relief and reset through winning the Australian Open afterward
  9. Serena Williams as hero and peer: the message, the awe, and the full-circle moment

    Naomi shares that Serena sent her a kind message after the final, which left her starstruck—so much so she muted the conversation after replying. She recalls writing a childhood report about Serena, and later being asked by Serena to take a photo with Serena’s daughter.

    • Serena’s supportive message after the US Open final
    • Naomi’s starstruck reaction and ‘mute’ coping move
    • Third-grade report: Serena as role model and ‘greatest’
    • Playing Serena again and sharing spaces during COVID restrictions
    • Full-circle honor: taking a photo with Serena’s daughter
  10. Motherhood and identity: separating self-worth from wins and losses

    Naomi explains how becoming a mother reshaped her inner world: more patience, more perspective, and less attachment to match outcomes as a measure of her value. She describes gradually ‘clicking’ into a broader identity through lived experiences and supportive relationships.

    • Shift from tennis-as-identity to life-as-multifaceted
    • Reduced catastrophizing after losses
    • How her daughter’s joy re-centers her daily meaning
    • Support systems reinforcing worth beyond results
    • Identity change as a series of small realizations over time
  11. Journaling, writing, and learning to love her life as it is

    Naomi describes journaling as a daily tool that helped her express thoughts more clearly than speaking, despite early struggles with grammar and writing in school. She shares she’s working on a book-like project and chooses to post snippets when she feels they may help others.

    • Why she writes: clarity, control of expression, reflection
    • Daily journaling: gratitude, lessons, emotional processing
    • A ‘book’ in progress—ramblings that become meaning
    • Deciding what to share publicly based on helpfulness
    • Childhood comparison and maturing into gratitude for her life
  12. Comparison, competitiveness, and ‘stop chasing your old self’

    Naomi unpacks how performance culture fuels constant comparison—titles, wins, rankings—and how that mindset spilled into her personal self-evaluation. She shares a key insight from returning post-motherhood: chasing her former version was limiting, and excitement now comes from growth and learning.

    • Comparison as an athlete: measuring self by metrics
    • Making peace with recurring ‘behind’ thoughts
    • Competitiveness vs. contentment tension
    • Rejecting the ‘old self’ chase after returning to tour
    • New vision: learning, meeting people, evolving as a person
  13. Returning after giving birth: training fast, internet opinions, and setting boundaries with media

    Naomi details her pregnancy experience, weight gain from sickness, training nearly up to birth, and resuming training within 7–10 days postpartum—sparking online criticism. She also explains why press conferences became harder as fame grew and questions felt less human and more extractive.

    • Pregnancy challenges: constant sickness and coping through eating
    • Training during pregnancy and rapid postpartum return
    • Online backlash vs. personal bodily readiness
    • Press conferences from age 16: scale changed with fame
    • Feeling dehumanized by ‘one-liner’ and headline-driven questions
  14. Meditation and calm: rain sounds, ocean noise, and welcoming thoughts

    Naomi shares that meditation began before her first US Open win, rooted in noticing how rainy days brought peace. She uses water sounds and brainwave audio nightly, focusing not on forcing thoughts away but understanding why they’re arriving in volume.

    • Self-discovered meditation through love of rain and water
    • Pre-match stress management with rain sounds
    • Nightly practice with an app and brainwave audio
    • Approach to thoughts: welcome, observe, investigate origins
    • Water as an emotional regulator and grounding tool
  15. Breaks, shame, and support: French Open withdrawal, Olympics validation, and not feeling alone

    Naomi explains the French Open period as driven by shame, isolation, and feeling she’d violated the ‘athlete’ code of hiding cracks. After retreating at home, the Olympics became a turning point when fellow athletes—especially women—thanked her, replacing loneliness with solidarity.

    • Core emotions: shame, embarrassment, loneliness
    • Isolation after withdrawing: staying inside, avoiding the outside world
    • Media pressure before competition and the breaking point around press
    • Olympics as a reset: athletes expressing gratitude and support
    • From ‘I’m alone’ to ‘I’m not alone’ as a healing shift
  16. Mentors, friendships, and legacy: Kobe’s advice, giving forward, and ‘you’re never alone’

    Naomi discusses how she maintains connection through her traveling team and close family ties, while also valuing mentorship—especially Kobe Bryant, who taught her to treat opinions like flies and stay focused like a lion. She emphasizes generosity, helping the next generation, and offers a message to listeners struggling with mental health: ask for help; you’re not alone.

    • Friendship in a solo sport: team as daily support network
    • Kobe Bryant mentorship and the ‘lion vs. flies’ metaphor
    • Desire to mentor others and share lessons forward
    • Haitian-inspired giving and building a better world for kids
    • Advice to those struggling: you’re never alone; seek support

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