Naveen Jain ON: Ask Yourself These 3 Questions To COMPLETELY CHANGE Your Life! | Jay Shetty

1. 0:00 – 0:16

   Intro

   1. NJNaveen Jain0:00

      Life never stops teaching. It is us who stop learning. The day you stop learning is the day you start dying

   2. SPSpeaker0:09

      The bestselling author and host- The number one health and wellness podcast-

   3. JSJay Shetty0:13

      On Purpose with Jay Shetty.

2. 0:16 – 14:04

   The three things we need to ask ourselves in order to find different solutions to a problem

   1. JSJay Shetty0:16

      When you came up with this idea of making illness optional-

   2. NJNaveen Jain0:20

      Mm-hmm

   3. JSJay Shetty0:20

      ... talk to me about, a bit about how you think that way.

   4. NJNaveen Jain0:24

      Of course.

   5. JSJay Shetty0:24

      Because most people are trying to end illness-

   6. NJNaveen Jain0:26

      Yeah

   7. JSJay Shetty0:26

      ... or most people are trying to avoid illness.

   8. NJNaveen Jain0:28

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JSJay Shetty0:29

      But you talk about making it optional. So let's talk about how you-

   10. NJNaveen Jain0:32

       Yeah

   11. JSJay Shetty0:32

       ... create these moonshots and create these ideas.

   12. NJNaveen Jain0:34

       You know, to me, the questions you ask is the problem you solve. So fundamentally, asking the question is the most, uh, I would say, the best skill you can ever learn as an entrepreneur. But as an entrepreneur, what most people somehow think that if they do something small, it's easier to get started. And what I learned is it is so much easier to do something audacious, something that's gonna change the trajectory of how humanity's going to live, something that can impact the lives of billions of people around the world, and that is so much easier to do. So every time I start a new company, I ask myself three questions: Why this? Why now? And why me? And why this is really simple. You start backward and say, God forbid I am actually successful in solving this problem. Would it help a billion people live a better life?

   13. JSJay Shetty1:29

       Mm.

   14. NJNaveen Jain1:29

       And the reason for that, it's not just because a philanthropic thing to do. It is really easy from a capitalistic point of view to see that if you can build any product, any service that helps a billion people live a better life, you can create a $100 billion company.

   15. JSJay Shetty1:46

       Mm.

   16. NJNaveen Jain1:46

       But you don't wake up in the morning and say, "I want to create a $100 billion company. What should I do?"

   17. JSJay Shetty1:51

       Mm.

   18. NJNaveen Jain1:52

       Making money is simply a byproduct of doing things that improve people's life.

   19. JSJay Shetty1:59

       Mm.

   20. NJNaveen Jain1:59

       So I'm gonna repeat. Everything you do, ask yourself, how is it making someone else's life better?

   21. JSJay Shetty2:06

       Mm.

   22. NJNaveen Jain2:06

       Because if you do that, they become your most loyal customer.

   23. JSJay Shetty2:09

       Mm-hmm.

   24. NJNaveen Jain2:10

       And if you have most loyal customers, you have a great business.

   25. JSJay Shetty2:12

       Yes.

   26. NJNaveen Jain2:12

       Right? But people somehow always think, I want to make money rather than I want to do something that helps people, right?

   27. JSJay Shetty2:18

       Yes. Yes.

   28. NJNaveen Jain2:19

       That's, that's why this. So in the case of Viome, we started thinking that, you know, we as humanity are suffering through this epidemic of chronic diseases, right? We call them with different names, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, depression, anxiety, you know, call them Parkinson's, Alzheimer, or God forbid, cancer. These are all the diseases. Younger and younger people are getting them, and literally every one of us during our lifetime is expected to have these chronic diseases. And it occurred to me that we as huma- humans as haven't evolved in the last 50 or 100 years. It takes millennials to change human genes. Then why is it in the last 5,000 years this epidemic is growing?

   29. JSJay Shetty3:06

       Mm.

   30. NJNaveen Jain3:07

       And it occurred to me, if it is actually growing, there's got to be a way to actually slow it down and reverse it, right?
3. 14:04 – 18:41

   Naveen explains why you need to surround yourself with people who will push you to become better

   1. NJNaveen Jain14:04

      Mm-hmm.

   2. JSJay Shetty14:04

      Were you always like that in school? Was that a way of thinking you developed and built over time? Like, let's go backwards a little bit-

   3. NJNaveen Jain14:10

      Sure, sure

   4. JSJay Shetty14:10

      ... because I think the way you approach problems is so different, and it is... And hence why you're saying, like, most people would ask, like, how can you live on the moon?

   5. NJNaveen Jain14:19

      Yeah.

   6. JSJay Shetty14:20

      So how did you develop that ability? Was it something that was God-given, you were born with it? Is it something you developed, and where did you start to develop it, and when?

   7. NJNaveen Jain14:28

      Well, so interesting thing is every one of us had this idea that we're born with certain things.

   8. JSJay Shetty14:35

      Mm-hmm.

   9. NJNaveen Jain14:35

      And then you... It's easy to blame someone else for all your problems. I am like this because it is, it's in my genes. This is what I was dealt with the bad cards, right? That is an excuse. Because remember, your genes are not your destiny. Like we talked about in your health, it is your gene expression. You get to control your gene expression by changing your environment. Your environment controls your gene expression. Even though people say like, "Oh, I'm born with these genes, and they are mutation that may cause Alzheimer," now think about it for a second. There are very, very few diseases that are genetic diseases, and never wanna undermine them. They have a special name. They're called rare genetic diseases, and the reason, reason they're called rare genetic diseases is because they are rare. Most other diseases are not genetic diseases. So when someone tells you you have a gene that is gonna cause you Alzheimer, I ask them a simple question. Am I born with that? Yes. So this gene is I am born with, it sits in my body for 60 years, 70 years. One day it wakes up and say, "I think I completely forgot to wipe out your memory. I'm gonna do that right now." It can't possibly happen. It has to change expression of it. That mean there has to be a trigger that causes it to do something, and if you can take the trigger away, does it matter what genes you have?

   10. JSJay Shetty16:02

       Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   11. NJNaveen Jain16:03

       So point is don't blame anyone except yourself. Including, I think I learned from you, don't tell someone, "My wife makes me angry," or, "Someone else makes me angry." Only you have that power to make yourself angry, right? So to coming back to answer your question, nurturing or the environment changes who you become. And most people wanna know there is, you know, is there a particular event that happened that made you different, right? But as you and I both know, life is full of experiences. Every interaction we have changes who we become.

   12. JSJay Shetty16:45

       Mm-hmm.

   13. NJNaveen Jain16:46

       People think it's the last straw that broke the camel back, and we all know it's the straws before that-

   14. JSJay Shetty16:52

       Yeah

   15. NJNaveen Jain16:52

       ... that broke the camel back, right?

   16. JSJay Shetty16:53

       Yeah.

   17. NJNaveen Jain16:54

       So my point I'm trying to make is that in a simple words, that every day the people you surround yourself with changes the way you think.

   18. JSJay Shetty17:03

       Mm-hmm.

   19. NJNaveen Jain17:03

       So the most important thing you can do is to find the people who uplift you, people who believe in you, people who inspire you to be better, not simply tell you you're good. They push you to be even better.

   20. JSJay Shetty17:20

       Yeah.

   21. NJNaveen Jain17:20

       Right? Every day ask yourself, "Am I better intellectually today than I was yesterday? Am I emotionally better than I was yesterday? Am I spiritually better than today than I was yesterday?" And grow every day.

   22. JSJay Shetty17:34

       Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I, and I couldn't agree with you more. I, I'm really glad, though, how you answered that question from a gene point of view.

   23. NJNaveen Jain17:40

       Yeah.

   24. JSJay Shetty17:40

       I didn't, I didn't expect to go down that road, and I really like that context of how to think about who we are and who we're becoming. And, and you are right that it's not one event that transforms our life-

   25. NJNaveen Jain17:53

       Yeah

   26. JSJay Shetty17:53

       ... or it's not one moment.

   27. NJNaveen Jain17:55

       Yeah.

   28. JSJay Shetty17:55

       But it's a collection of thoughts and a collection of people and collection of ideas. When you were young, what... Did you think big? Did you always have these lofty goals, or did you have to learn to do that, I guess, is what I'm getting? Is because-

   29. NJNaveen Jain18:13

       Sure

   30. JSJay Shetty18:13

       ... And, and who were you exposed to?
4. 18:41 – 24:07

   “Your imagination is the only thing that limits what you can do.”

   1. JSJay Shetty18:41

      Who were those people for you? Where did you interact with them? How did you connect with them?

   2. NJNaveen Jain18:45

      Yeah.

   3. JSJay Shetty18:46

      And how did they change the way you thought?

   4. NJNaveen Jain18:47

      You know, obviously, as you know, I grew up in India. We were very poor. We didn't have, you know, food to eat. We didn't have place to stay. But the thing that none of us lack really is imagination, and it's really let your imagination run wild while everybody's trying to contain you into what, who you are-

   5. JSJay Shetty19:08

      Yeah

   6. NJNaveen Jain19:08

      ... and define you who you are and trying to protect you by telling you what you can't do.

   7. JSJay Shetty19:15

      Mm-hmm.

   8. NJNaveen Jain19:15

      Right? Everyone will say, "Oh, you are born in a poor family. Your destiny is prewritten. You can at the most become an accountant and go find a government job that'll actually be there for you rest of your life. Anything you're trying other than that is you're going down the wrong path."

   9. JSJay Shetty19:35

      Mm.

   10. NJNaveen Jain19:35

       And out of purely a good intention to protect you, they actually want to contain you to say, "That is not possible for you."

   11. JSJay Shetty19:45

       Mm.

   12. NJNaveen Jain19:45

       So they're limiting your belief. And what really interesting I found was my mom just was an un- ... You know, she's alive. She just unbelievable amount of faith in me. So my dad will say, "You know, you will never go anywhere, so why are you trying here? Just go get the damn degree in accounting or something so you can have a job." And my mom says, "No, no, no. He's very smart. He can do anything he wants."

   13. JSJay Shetty20:14

       Yeah.

   14. NJNaveen Jain20:14

       And then she would say, "Sky is the limit." And later I realize in my life that a sky doesn't exist. A sky is simply a figment of our imagination.

   15. JSJay Shetty20:24

       Mm.

   16. NJNaveen Jain20:24

       And what she was telling me was, in her own way, your imagination is the only thing that limits to what you can do.

   17. JSJay Shetty20:32

       Yeah.

   18. NJNaveen Jain20:33

       We create our own sky. Like, when you go from here to the moon, you don't say, "Mom, I just passed the sky." There is no sky.

   19. JSJay Shetty20:40

       Yeah.

   20. NJNaveen Jain20:40

       So point is, we create these imaginary boundaries for ourselves. I come from this background, so I, this is my sky. I'm a woman, this is my sky. I'm a brown person, this is my sky. And everyone creates their sky until you get there and you realize, that was all in my mind.

   21. JSJay Shetty20:59

       Yeah.

   22. NJNaveen Jain20:59

       It never existed, right?

   23. JSJay Shetty21:00

       Yeah.

   24. NJNaveen Jain21:01

       So when I was young, I would look at the moon. And what really interesting to me was I am looking at the same object that the richest person in the world, and he doesn't look at it any different than I can. So w- I am that richest person in the world because I have the same power that they do. And in my mind, it was about there's nothing that I'm sitting here when I look at that star that anyone else can do any differently than I can.

   25. JSJay Shetty21:29

       Mm.

   26. NJNaveen Jain21:29

       In fact, I can look at them better because I am sitting in a darkness, and the sky is so much more beautiful than in the city with, under the light. You can't even see the stars, right? As I came to United States and then I started to meet and learn from different people, and as I continued to grow, I started to surround myself with people who had, y- you know, even bigger. So I thought I was the big fish in the small pond until I realized there was a big pond out there and I was a small fish, and then I started to grow again, right? And I think, you know, a lot of the people that have, you know, inspired each one of us have been the people who have gone on to change the industry. Now, obviously, you know, today you and I probably know most of them, and we met them. But when I actually were being inspired, I, I knew their name, but I've never met them.

   27. JSJay Shetty22:21

       Mm.

   28. NJNaveen Jain22:21

       Now we get to meet with them, and now you can at least look at them and saying how much they change your life. But I can tell you that the biggest inspiration for me or biggest mentor for me has been my own life. Life never stops teaching. It is us who stop learning.

   29. JSJay Shetty22:40

       Mm.

   30. NJNaveen Jain22:40

       So just every experience we have, if we keep an open mind, we can learn from every single person we meet. Even that homeless person, if you can give him five minutes of your time, he will tell you about his life story, what got him into where he is, and maybe hopefully you won't make that mistake.
5. 24:07 – 37:09

   How can we cultivate curiosity in the young minds and make the world a better place?

   1. JSJay Shetty24:07

      How could you recommend to people to learn to filter-

   2. NJNaveen Jain24:11

      Sure

   3. JSJay Shetty24:11

      ... and choose what to give? I'll give you, and I'll give you an, a common example.

   4. NJNaveen Jain24:14

      Sure.

   5. JSJay Shetty24:14

      Like, you know, a couple of years ago it was like everyone was like, "You have to be in NFTs."

   6. NJNaveen Jain24:19

      Yeah.

   7. JSJay Shetty24:19

      "You have to do this. You have to, like..."

   8. NJNaveen Jain24:20

      [laughs]

   9. JSJay Shetty24:21

      You know, and then everyone's like, "Oh, you have to invest in the stock market-

   10. NJNaveen Jain24:23

       Yeah

   11. JSJay Shetty24:23

       ... because now it's this." And, like, then it's like, "Oh, you have to be an entrepreneur." And it's like everyone's getting, "Oh, now you have to hustle. We're in hustle culture."

   12. NJNaveen Jain24:30

       Yeah.

   13. JSJay Shetty24:31

       And so you see this, like-

   14. NJNaveen Jain24:32

       Yeah

   15. JSJay Shetty24:32

       ... messaging.

   16. NJNaveen Jain24:33

       Fat, fat messaging.

   17. JSJay Shetty24:34

       You just, fat messaging that just- ... constantly pushes people

   18. NJNaveen Jain24:37

       Yeah

   19. JSJay Shetty24:37

       And because people don't know their own values and they're not sure about what they really want from life-

   20. NJNaveen Jain24:43

       Mm

   21. JSJay Shetty24:43

       ... it becomes very easy to get distracted.

   22. NJNaveen Jain24:45

       Mm.

   23. JSJay Shetty24:45

       How would you guide people into not getting distracted and knowing what is right to focus on?

   24. NJNaveen Jain24:50

       Well, I think you go back and saying, "Why am I doing it?" Let's assume whether it's picking thing you want, whether it's a NFT or a crypto or whatever.

   25. JSJay Shetty24:59

       Yeah.

   26. NJNaveen Jain24:59

       How is that what I'm going to do is gonna improve someone else's life? Would it improve a billion people's life because I bought NFT? If the answer is no, then why are you wasting your time, right?

   27. JSJay Shetty25:12

       Mm.

   28. NJNaveen Jain25:12

       So to me, the biggest thing to learn in life is curiosity. If you ask me there's one gift you could give someone you love the most, and I hate to say that the biggest love I have for anyone in this world probably would be your children.

   29. JSJay Shetty25:29

       Mm-hmm.

   30. NJNaveen Jain25:29

       I mean, anyone I think-
6. 37:09 – 45:35

   This is what happens when you spend your time and energy on things that you don’t enjoy doing.

   1. JSJay Shetty37:09

      How do people find the, the energy, the-

   2. NJNaveen Jain37:12

      Oh my God

   3. JSJay Shetty37:12

      ... ability-

   4. NJNaveen Jain37:13

      Yeah

   5. JSJay Shetty37:13

      ... to say, "Actually, you know what? I'm gonna use this time-

   6. NJNaveen Jain37:15

      Mm

   7. JSJay Shetty37:15

      ... to be more curious, to be more creative, because that's gonna lead to a better world for me and for others."

   8. NJNaveen Jain37:21

      Well, first of all, no one should be doing things that they don't enjoy. So I have a very simple rule in my life. As I said, I wake up at 4:00 AM, and the day I feel when I wake up at 4:00 AM I'm not jumping out of the bed, that means I'm doing things I don't enjoy.

   9. JSJay Shetty37:38

      Yeah.

   10. NJNaveen Jain37:39

       So rule number one, when you wake up in the morning, and if you're not jumping out of the bed, you should quit what you're doing because that's not your calling. When you find your true purpose, find your, you know, north star, you can never, ever just lie down because you're so d- driven to solve that problem. If I may say, you know, a lot of people talk about passion. I think that passion is for hobbies. Passion is for losers. The true winners have obsession, obsession to solve the problem. Not obsession about things, obsession to solve the problem. When you're truly obsessed about solving a problem, you go to sleep thinking about it, and you jump out of the bed wanting to do it. And that to me is find something that you're willing to die for, and live for it. Find something that you're willing to dedicate your life to solving, and then solve it, right?

   11. JSJay Shetty38:35

       Yeah.

   12. NJNaveen Jain38:35

       Right. And you know, a lot of people give up because they are... Any time you do something, there are going to be the times that things do not working out exactly what you expected. And to me, that's a sign of you're alive. Because you're, the only way you know when you're alive because you have a heartbeat, and the heartbeat goes up and down and up and down, and when it is smooth, you're dead. So if you're looking for a life that's a smooth life, you're looking for a life of a dead person.

   13. JSJay Shetty39:03

       Mm.

   14. NJNaveen Jain39:03

       Find things when they're going up and down that tells you're alive. When you are down, just hunker down and know that the next beat is going to be up. And when you're on top of that beat, never become too arrogant, because always remember, the winter is coming, and winter shall come, right? And that is the life, is that most people spend their life thinking they need to make money, so they do something they don't enjoy. Guess what? When they come home, they cannot enjoy because they wasted their life doing things they don't enjoy. And they turn the TV on, as you say, to switch off their mind, and now they're being bombarded with the most... If you're watching news, unfortunately, it's all about negativity for many reasons. Our mind, our amygdala is looking for negative news, so negative news catches our attention, and that's the reason newscasters know to get your attention, if it bleeds, it leads. They want to talk about all the negative stuff. So you're bombarded, and now you're even more negative than you were at work. And the thing in life is to get yourself out of that mode, not only find your purpose, but truly be grateful for the life you're living in. Many of us have, you know, culturally or, you know, or sometime religiously, we are told before you eat, do the grate- do grace or do the, you know, prayer. Why is that? The reason it is, Jay, is that your body, when it's in the fight or flight response, it stops the digestion. You cannot digest your food because remember, the reason your body used to be in fight or flight response because a tiger chasing you. And at that point, body says, "You don't need to worry about digesting your food." It shuts down your immune system, by the way. Because you don't need to worry about immune system because you're gonna be lunch for someone else. Or if you survive, then everything calm down and back to normal. Today, we live in this world where when we are at work, our boss is stressing us out. We come home, your spouse is stressing you out, and you're constant stress mode, and you're constantly in fight or flight response. And then we eat food in the fight or flight response. It doesn't get digested. We- our immune system is not working, so we get more sick.

   15. JSJay Shetty41:23

       Mm.

   16. NJNaveen Jain41:23

       And then we blame everything on the society.

   17. JSJay Shetty41:26

       Mm.

   18. NJNaveen Jain41:27

       And all it takes is find the job you love. When you come home, be grateful for what you... loving family you have. Give them the love, and in turn you will receive the love. And I was just reading about the new book, Jay. I got- you gotta tell me about, more about the book on this love. If you can go figure that out, everything changes. Because then when you have love, you're always in the sympathetic mo- parasympathetic mode rather than the sympathetic mode.

   19. JSJay Shetty41:56

       Yeah. That's such a great answer. I love the idea that you're saying that we're living in a constant state of flight or f- fight or flight-

   20. NJNaveen Jain42:03

       Yes

   21. JSJay Shetty42:03

       ... in a constant state of stress.

   22. NJNaveen Jain42:05

       Yes.

   23. JSJay Shetty42:06

       And so pretty much every activity we do is in a state of stress.

   24. NJNaveen Jain42:10

       That's right.

   25. JSJay Shetty42:11

       That perspective of finding what you love is so needed, yet so hard, and also different at different times. Like, I remember when I was at college-

   26. NJNaveen Jain42:22

       Yeah

   27. JSJay Shetty42:22

       ... and I work- sorry, even before college, when I was at school-

   28. NJNaveen Jain42:26

       Yeah

   29. JSJay Shetty42:26

       ... I worked ever since I was 14.

   30. NJNaveen Jain42:28

       Yeah.
7. 45:35 – 56:05

   Continuous exposure many ideas open many doors for us to find our passion and learn more

   1. JSJay Shetty45:35

      How do you think you would have responded or when your kids were younger-

   2. NJNaveen Jain45:40

      Mm-hmm

   3. JSJay Shetty45:40

      ... and maybe they weren't so externally successful-

   4. NJNaveen Jain45:44

      Mm, mm

   5. JSJay Shetty45:45

      ... and they, they almost may have had some pushback.

   6. NJNaveen Jain45:47

      Of course.

   7. JSJay Shetty45:47

      I'm wondering if the kids had any pushback.

   8. NJNaveen Jain45:49

      Well, they did. Of course they did.

   9. JSJay Shetty45:49

      Because, yes.

   10. NJNaveen Jain45:50

       Of course they did.

   11. JSJay Shetty45:50

       Because I feel like I don't know any kid who doesn't think-

   12. NJNaveen Jain45:53

       Of course

   13. JSJay Shetty45:53

       ... kids grow up thinking their parents are not cool.

   14. NJNaveen Jain45:55

       Yes.

   15. JSJay Shetty45:56

       And then when they grow up, then they're like, "Oh, no, my parents were right."

   16. NJNaveen Jain45:58

       Yeah, mm-hmm.

   17. JSJay Shetty45:58

       "They, they are much more cool than I thought they were."

   18. NJNaveen Jain46:01

       Yeah.

   19. JSJay Shetty46:01

       Can you tell us a bit about some of those moments where the kids kind of didn't agree with your philosophy or theory and-

   20. NJNaveen Jain46:08

       Yeah

   21. JSJay Shetty46:08

       ... what did that look like?

   22. NJNaveen Jain46:09

       Well, y- you know, a lot of these times when the kids, like for example, when we're talking about that your success is all about the number of lives you improve, I remember my oldest son said, "Whatever, Dad." And then he walks, you know, he says, "Dad, at the end of the day, money matters." And I told him, "It only matters when you actually believe it matters because most of the time you don't need much for it to matter."

   23. JSJay Shetty46:36

       Mm.

   24. NJNaveen Jain46:36

       After the basic needs are met, after that, it's all, it doesn't matter, right? He and I would, a lot of discussions say, "I want to buy this pair of shoes." And I said, "I don't think that makes sense for you to be owning a $200 pair of shoes at this point." And he said, "Dad, I'm going to go get it and I'm going to go earn it." And I said, "Sure. If that's what you want to do, that that's what matters to you, go do it. But I would rather have you spend that time in learning new skills than trying to go do some menial job because you want a j- uh, you want a pair of shoes." And that is very interesting and I think, uh, maybe I want to just expand on that. A lot of parents, even the successful parents, will say, "Oh, I don't want to give my kids things to spoil them. I want them to work. I want them to go do the menial tasks so they understand what the money means to them."

   25. JSJay Shetty47:30

       Mm-hmm.

   26. NJNaveen Jain47:30

       And w- I think to some extent, you know, people may disagree with that. My philosophy was very different. My philosophy was my job is to teach you the, as many things as I possibly can and once you learn those set of skills, those are the skills you'll have for rest of your life. That means instead of going out and earning money to pump the gas, I'd rather have you go out and take a summer courses and I'll pay for it, right?

   27. JSJay Shetty47:57

       Right, right.

   28. NJNaveen Jain47:57

       I would rather have you go and do internship at some place where you can learn something and not focus on making money. Even it's unpaid, but that's a skill you want to learn, go do it even if it's unpaid. So it's always about learning, learning, and learning. And the best example I can give you [laughs] is something I think you'll find funny. When my daughter was 16 years old, she comes to me one day and said, "Dad, I know you love science and technology. I have found my passion and that's what I'm going to pursue and I just don't want to do anything to do with science and technology." And at that point most parents would say, "Sweetie, tell me what your passion is and I want to help you with that." My response to her was, "You're too young to have a passion. Dad hasn't done his job of exposing you to everything so you don't even know the things you don't know. How can you tell me you don't like them?" So I say, so she said, "Dad, what is it that you want me to do then?" And I said, "Sweetie, what I want you to go is to go to Singularity University. I want you to learn about nanotechnology. I want you to learn about genetics. I want you to learn about artificial intelligence. I want you to learn about everything." And she rolled her eyes. And by the way- And that's the article I wrote on Inc. Magazine. If you want to find, it's called An Entrepreneur Versus His Eye-Rolling Teenage Daughter.

   29. JSJay Shetty49:14

       That's cool. I like that.

   30. NJNaveen Jain49:15

       Right? Now, she says, "Dad, I just... You don't hear a word I said. I told you I don't like science and technology." And I says, "Sweetie, you don't know what these things are, so how can you tell me you don't like them? But here is the wor- here is what I can do for you. If you promise me that you're going to go there with a m- open mind wanting to learn and wanting to like, what I would promise you is when you come back, you get to decide what you want because I have done my job of exposing you to things, and you get to pick what you want to do."
8. 56:05 – 1:02:16

   Give children as many dots as they can have so someday they are able to connect these dots and create their own canvas.”

   1. JSJay Shetty56:05

      How do you find... Have you also, were you aware also as a parent about how to help them with their personal mental health and their personal wellbeing?

   2. NJNaveen Jain56:18

      Of course

   3. JSJay Shetty56:18

      Because what we find is, at the moment we find either/or. We see people who sacrifice their own wellbeing for the wellbeing of others.

   4. NJNaveen Jain56:25

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JSJay Shetty56:26

      And we see people who are just struggling with their own wellbeing-

   6. NJNaveen Jain56:28

      Mm-hmm

   7. JSJay Shetty56:28

      ... that they can't extend themselves to others.

   8. NJNaveen Jain56:30

      Sure.

   9. JSJay Shetty56:30

      I wonder if you were a parent that was conscious of also mental health and wellbeing-

   10. NJNaveen Jain56:35

       Of course

   11. JSJay Shetty56:36

       ... and, and personal wellbeing.

   12. NJNaveen Jain56:37

       Well, at the end of the day, there's no parent, at least I don't know of any parent, who don't want their kids to be happy, right? So to me, that is just part of in loving someone unconditionally, that you do anything to make them happy or anything for their happiness, right? And I'm not suggesting you sacrifice. You know, there's, you know, go slightly tangent. There's things that in life that matter the most is that unconditional love that you can receive or the unconditional love that you can give, and very few types of love that in my humble opinion, that are unconditional. Our, you know, we may say we love our spouse unconditionally, but that is still, you know, it's not the same as the love between mom and a child or a fa-

   13. JSJay Shetty57:26

       Yeah

   14. NJNaveen Jain57:26

       You know, that love is just so strong.

   15. JSJay Shetty57:28

       Absolutely.

   16. NJNaveen Jain57:28

       I mean, no one can ever say that. In fact, I think I last time, I think when you and I talked about, I sh- may have shared this story that I, still to me resonates the best. There was this kid who wanted to join the gang, and, and the, you know, gang member said, "I don't think you're ready." And he said, "No, I'm ready to do anything you want." And he says, "If you are really that ready, what I would like you to do would be to show me that you can do anything that needs done, is to go take your mom while she's alive, cut her heart, and bring the beating heart back to us, then we know you can do this." The kid says, "I can do this," and goes there, literally stabs her mom, takes the beating heart out, and as he's walking out, he stumbles and falls down, and the heart, and the, he hears the beating heart says, "Son, are you okay?" That unconditional love where mom says the only thing that matters to her was, "Are you okay?" Not what you did to me. And that kind of unconditional love always brings the tears to my eye, that Mother didn't care.

   17. JSJay Shetty58:31

       Mm.

   18. NJNaveen Jain58:32

       She simply wanted to make sure that my son was okay.

   19. JSJay Shetty58:34

       Mm.

   20. NJNaveen Jain58:34

       Right? Because he stumbled and fell down, right? To me, when you want to do things for your children, sometime the children may not think it is good for them, and it is your job to be an adult and say, "In the long term, it is gonna be good for you," whether it is sending you to the school or speech, uh, you know, or going to the public speaking. But at the same time, you wanting them to be a mini version of you is where I think parents go wrong. The kids should not be molded to be another mini me, right? [laughs] And that mini me concept happens more often than we want. The kids of the lawyer become lawyer. The kids of the doctor becomes doctor. Kids of the teacher become teacher because they all try to make them to be themselves. What I think you and I both agree that our job is to expose them to as many different things as possible, give them as many dots as they can-

   21. JSJay Shetty59:30

       Yeah

   22. NJNaveen Jain59:30

       ... so someday they're able to connect these dots and create their own canvas.

   23. JSJay Shetty59:35

       Yeah.

   24. NJNaveen Jain59:35

       And give them that open canvas that they get to create, and they can only create that canvas when we give them also the curiosity and imagination so they can create whatever they want to create, and give them that inspiration that is nothing they want to do is impossible. And the only thing that's impossible is the one they believe is not possible. That means they get to decide what is possible and what's not possible. No one else can decide. And the ideas when they are different, it's okay to be different because when people tell you it's crazy idea, those are the ideas that are worth pursuing, right? That when someone tells you it's a crazy idea, it is an audacious idea that you can go out with, right? What, what you don't want to be doing things is, is to simply live a comfortable life and live a smooth life, right? That is to me, the day you stop learning is the day you start dying.

   25. JSJay Shetty1:00:40

       Naveen, it has been such a pleasure talking to you as always. Uh, I want to let everyone who know, everyone who's watching or listening know as well, if you want to know more about how Naveen thinks, grab his book, Moon Shots. If you're someone that wants to set goals, if you're someone that wants to set audacious goals and try and achieve them, Moon Shots is the book for you. If you want to find out more about your gut microbiome, the company's called Viome, V-I-O-M-E. We will put the link in the show notes as well if you want to get a gut test done to understand more about everything that we just spoke about from that perspective. And the third is Evvi, uh, about women's health, which we will also add into the show notes. Naveen, it has been, uh, a joy sitting down with you again as always, my friend, and, uh, every time I sit with you, I definitely feel I can be a little bit more audacious. I feel that I'm always being mindful of my gut when I'm with you.

   26. NJNaveen Jain1:01:31

       Yeah.

   27. JSJay Shetty1:01:31

       And today I'm also really, really happy that I feel the message that has really come through is whatever we do, we have to do it to improve the world around us and continue to serve humanity a lot. So thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming on today. Uh, it's been a pleasure. Thank you, Naveen.

   28. NJNaveen Jain1:01:47

       Well, Jay, as I said, you are always been on purpose, and I just love spending time with you, and I hope to hope to see you again soon.

   29. JSJay Shetty1:01:53

       Me too. Thank you, Naveen. If you loved this episode, you'll love my interview with Dr. Gabor Mate on understanding your trauma and how to heal emotional wounds to start moving on from the past.

   30. SPSpeaker1:02:06

       There's a difference between being alone and being lonely. Alone is just a fact and that we can embrace and, uh, make decisions about. Loneliness

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