Roxie Nafousi ON: You're MANIFESTING WRONG! - Manifest Success & Abundance CORRECTLY | Jay Shetty

1. 0:00 – 3:10

   Intro

   1. RNRoxie Nafousi0:00

      You cannot manifest things that are totally out of your control. Manifesting is about becoming so empowered and so full of self-belief that you make things happen, and in that, it means that you can't manifest things that have absolutely nothing to do with you. It- this isn't a game of luck.

   2. JSJay Shetty0:15

      The bestselling author and host.

   3. RNRoxie Nafousi0:16

      The number one health and wellness podcast.

   4. JSJay Shetty0:19

      On Purpose with Jay Shetty. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world, thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to become happier, healthier, and more healed. Now, I love sitting down with a guest that I've been chopping it up with on messages, and getting to know, and following for some time, and today's guest is someone that I've had a few interactions with offline, and I'm being honest with you, one of the sweetest, warmest, kindest people that I've connected with. And when I first came across her book and her work, I was so happy to see someone take this very big word, take this very known theme that we've kind of repeated over the years, but then make it their own, and really help us more deeply understand it, unpack it, and live it. And I think that's the part that I'm most intrigued by, is that I think this word's been thrown around for a long time, and it's kind of been a bit ethereal and not as tangible. And today's guest is someone who I think's gonna make it super easy, super practical, and super applicable for everyone who's listening and watching wherever you are in the world. I'm talking about Roxie Nafousi, the author of Manifest: 7 Steps to Living Your Best Life. If you don't already have this book, make sure you go and order a copy right now. We have the link, uh, in the caption, in all the details. Make sure you go and grab a copy. Uh, but Roxie, I'm so excited to have you here today. Uh, I've genuinely loved, whether it's been us emailing, DM-ing, whatever it's been, and it's so great to have you here finally.

   5. RNRoxie Nafousi1:47

      Aw.

   6. JSJay Shetty1:47

      So thanks for coming.

   7. RNRoxie Nafousi1:48

      I am so excited. I've been s- smiling throughout that whole introduction, and honestly, I feel like I'm pinching myself. So I have to tell you, at the beginning of this year, on New Year's Eve, I always do a vision board, and I dream as big as possible. And it was before the book had even been released, and right in the middle, I wrote Jay Shetty-

   8. JSJay Shetty2:06

      [laughs]

   9. RNRoxie Nafousi2:06

      ... really big. I was like, "I have to connect with him." Obviously, I wanted to come [laughs] on the podcast. Um, and it was, like, a huge dream for me, so thank you so much for having me on.

   10. JSJay Shetty2:16

       No, of course. And you have to se- I wanna see that. You gotta send that to me afterwards.

   11. RNRoxie Nafousi2:18

       I will.

   12. JSJay Shetty2:19

       Yeah.

   13. RNRoxie Nafousi2:19

       I'll send you a picture. [laughs]

   14. JSJay Shetty2:20

       Yeah, I love s- I love seeing people's vision boards. I think it's such an important activity to manifest.

   15. RNRoxie Nafousi2:25

       Yeah.

   16. JSJay Shetty2:25

       And I've, I've done that in so many ways. When, when I first moved to LA as well, for me, that was my kind of approach, where I was like, "I need to know... I wa- I wanna connect with people I think I genuinely connect with." And I think that's been a big part of my manifestation, is that it's always come from a really good intention. It's come from a genuine place of, I don't want something from someone, I, I want to connect with them. And I think, we'll, we'll dive into that.

   17. RNRoxie Nafousi2:50

       Yes. [laughs]

   18. JSJay Shetty2:50

       And then we'll get into it. But it's so awesome, because I know you were on The Today Show in New York. Uh, you're now in LA. It's, it seems like you're taking the book international-

   19. RNRoxie Nafousi2:57

       [laughs]

   20. JSJay Shetty2:57

       ... which is, which is amazing. But I've loved seeing how you've been, you know, I've seen the Manifest events that you're doing out in London as well, and, and across the UK. Like, talk to me about, I wanna know more about you and your journey.

2. 3:10 – 7:43

   When did your spiritual journey start?

   1. JSJay Shetty3:10

      When did you first start your spiritual self-discovery, your personal journey? Where did that begin?

   2. RNRoxie Nafousi3:18

      So to kind of give you some background, before... 'Cause I started when I was about 27, just about to turn 28. So I think it was probably my Saturn returns as well. But up until then, I was the opposite of spiritual. I had been in an addiction to cocaine, alcohol, and cigarettes for almost 10 years, and I was obviously suffering from depression. And it's one of those things. Was the drugs causing the depression, or the depression fueling the drugs? But it was obviously a combination of both. Um, but even prior to that, I had always been someone who was extremely negative. I had more self-loathing than I could ever describe. I truly hated who I was, um, from my earliest years. You know, when I was growing up, I was an Iraqi growing up in Oxford. My name's Roann. The Iraqi war broke out, um, and you know, there was this kind of media attack on Muslims, and I grew up in a very devout Muslim family. And I was treated pretty horrifically at school, and I started to really reject where I was coming from. And when you reject where you're coming from, you are just rejecting yourself and who you are, and I think that was stemming all the self-loathing. And so when I was 12, I decided to move schools, um, after this incident where I'd been locked in a phone box, basically, being called Saddam. It was really... I'd actually blocked out the memory for ages, and I decided to change my name from Roann to Roxie. And then I, that kind of continued this journey of escaping from myself, and who, and who I was, and it took me until this kind of major rock bottom in, um, May 2018, when I'd been on a yoga teacher training course, and I really thought, "This is gonna change my life. I am gonna, you know, do 200 hours of yoga. I'm meditating. I've got no access to these drugs and, you know, all the cigarettes and everything that I was using to escape." Um, and I felt that that was gonna be it. And I remember there was a monk there, and he read my palm, and he said, "You've got this fork on your palm, and you're here to help lead, um, with your wisdom." And I was like, "Okay, great. I'm gonna go home and be a yoga teacher, and at the beginning of my classes, I will try and inspire people." And that was kind of my goal then. But I got back to London, and 24 hours later, a friend called me, and she was like, "Do you wanna come to this party?" And I was like, "Yeah." And within An hour of being with her, I was back taking drugs, and I went on a 48-hour bender. Basically didn't go to bed. Did some things I really regret, and I woke up feeling totally at rock bottom, like the shame, the regret, and I felt like I was unchangeable. I thought, "This is just who I am." And I called my friend, Sophia, and she is, she is quite, she is very spiritual, and I would say she's quite woo, like she's quite out there. And she said, "Oh, you should listen to this podcast on manifesting" and I thought, "Oh, okay, well, this is gonna be something that's really woo and out there, but I'll give it a listen because at this point I'll try anything." And I listened to this podcast, and I realized that manifesting was all about self-worth, and something in me just clicked. You know, I think we all have those moments where we hear one thing, and it kind of just changes everything, and hearing about manifesting was that catalyst for my change. And from then, I started immersing myself. I, I would say it's like I brainwashed myself with self-development in the best way. I was listening to podcasts, reading books. Like, I love YouTube for motivational videos. Um, and I was doing everything I could to try and understand how to change my bi- my mindset, how to rewire my brain, the way that I was thinking, the way I felt about myself, but all of it really was manifestation. So for me, manifesting is the umbrella, and all of self-development and healing falls underneath it.

   3. JSJay Shetty7:40

      Wow, I love that definition, and thank you for telling us about your story

3. 7:43 – 10:48

   Tapping in drugs and addiction

   1. JSJay Shetty7:43

      a bit too. Like, how did you, how did you first get introduced to, like, cocaine and drugs and, and all of that world? Because I totally understand what you're saying, that you were going through this, bullying's an understatement because it, it, it was a lot worse, and it, and it can be a lot worse. But you're going through this kind of tension, stress, pressure that's coming from the outside because of where you're from and where your family's from and things like that, but then how did it go so far to that extreme? Where did you get introduced to these things, and how did they become normality?

   2. RNRoxie Nafousi8:13

      When I was at school, I remember trying, it was called a WKD. It was like these like-

   3. JSJay Shetty8:17

      Yeah, I know what those are. [laughs]

   4. RNRoxie Nafousi8:18

      Yeah. [laughs] Those, like, blue Alco pops.

   5. JSJay Shetty8:20

      Yeah. [laughs]

   6. RNRoxie Nafousi8:21

      And I remember trying it for the first time and thinking, "Gosh, like something about this feels quite good" and I slowly, slowly started drinking every now and then. It was not common. Like, my mom obviously never, like, knew that I was drinking. You know, she would be so upset if she did, and but I was doing it kind of like casually. And then when I left school and I went to university, I was 18, and actually I've just remembered the first time. Yeah, I went to an after party, and I remember taking cocaine for the first time and just thinking it was great, and I just loved it. And as someone who had absolutely no confidence, what this drug was giving me was this false confidence. And so the use started to become more regular, but it, I actually formed the addiction, I would say, really quite rapidly because by the age of 22, I was in my first NA meeting. I knew that something was not right, that I was doing it to excess. I would, you know, when I'd be getting ready to go on a night out, it'd be 4:00 PM in the afternoon, and I would be on my own taking, having a line because it would give me this false confidence as I was getting ready. But I obviously then didn't give up until I was 28. So there was this long period of time where I knew I had an addiction, but trying to get out of it was so, so hard, and the shame that comes when you're constantly trying to remove yourself from something is, you know, it is, I did feel it was a very traumatic time. Even now if I see people on TV doing drugs, or if I've been out and I see people coming home from an after party, I have a physical response to it.

   7. JSJay Shetty10:03

      Wow.

   8. RNRoxie Nafousi10:03

      I feel so anxious. Um, so yeah, it's, it was a time. [laughs]

   9. JSJay Shetty10:09

      Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I mean, that, that isn't trauma that just disappears and-

   10. RNRoxie Nafousi10:13

       Yeah

   11. JSJay Shetty10:14

       ... and just leaves you. And what you said earlier, it can be so hard when manifesting and self-worth are so correlated-

   12. RNRoxie Nafousi10:20

       Yeah

   13. JSJay Shetty10:21

       ... to manifest from that kind of a place can be really difficult because I'm guessing when you're saying, "Jay, I don't feel confident, and that's why I do this, because it makes me feel confident," it means you're coming from a place of, "I don't have self-worth" but then to manifest, I have to believe that there's more for me to deserve and more for me to earn and more for me to create. And so let's, let's dive into that and keep kinda coming back to where you were too because how

4. 10:48 – 14:07

   Manifesting the wrong things

   1. JSJay Shetty10:48

      did you learn to manifest for yourself from a place of a lack of confidence and a lack of self-worth?

   2. RNRoxie Nafousi10:55

      Well, firstly, now in reflection, I was manifesting, but the wrong direction.

   3. JSJay Shetty11:00

      Right.

   4. RNRoxie Nafousi11:00

      So I was actually attracting, I think, a lot of negativity to me, and I was constantly thinking, you know, I wasn't making any money. Like, I had no career. I was trying, but at the last moment, they'd pull out, or they wouldn't wanna work with me, and I was for sure manifesting that because I was kept saying to myself, "I know it's not gonna work. I know this person's gonna cancel." I spent so much time on my own. I was so lonely. Like, I truly know the meaning of loneliness at its, like, deepest level. Um, but when I decided, you know, and I discovered manifesting, and like you say, I, I realized that it was so closely linked to self-worth, um, how I started was to start my healing journey.

   5. JSJay Shetty11:44

      Mm.

   6. RNRoxie Nafousi11:44

      And I, the first kind of technique I used was to fall asleep to affirmation playlists because I realized that your subconscious was susceptible as you're falling asleep. Um, but there was, but then that was an ongoing journey, and by the way, I'm still on it.

   7. JSJay Shetty11:59

      Yeah, of course. Yeah.

   8. RNRoxie Nafousi11:59

      Like, I'm still on that self-worth journey. You know, we spoke before, you know, there are still things that are definitely kind of my blocks, but- I don't know if you had this, and 'cause I, I said before, [laughs] I wish I was interviewing you.

   9. JSJay Shetty12:12

      You're not allowed, you're not allowed, Roxie.

   10. RNRoxie Nafousi12:13

       [laughs]

   11. JSJay Shetty12:13

       You're not allowed to interview me today.

   12. RNRoxie Nafousi12:14

       [laughs]

   13. JSJay Shetty12:14

       We will save that for another time.

   14. RNRoxie Nafousi12:16

       [laughs]

   15. JSJay Shetty12:17

       Today's about you and your book, so.

   16. RNRoxie Nafousi12:19

       When I first, um, heard about kind of self-development, and I would listen to speakers, and people would say, "Oh, it's a lifelong journey of healing," I was like, "What do you mean it's a lifelong journey? That sounds hideous. What's the point?" I was in this, like, self-development honeymoon, so at the beginning, you know, when you find healing, and I'd been in this real dark place, and then I start to see changes, I start to see the light. I thought, "Well, this is it. I'm healed. I'm never gonna feel bad again. Like, this is great." And it's exactly like being in a relationship when you start and you're like, "I'm never gonna argue with this person. We're gonna be together forever." [laughs]

   17. JSJay Shetty12:57

       [laughs]

   18. RNRoxie Nafousi12:58

       And then, you know, time goes on and you realize that's not the case.

   19. JSJay Shetty13:02

       Mm.

   20. RNRoxie Nafousi13:02

       And now what I realize is that, yes, it is a lifelong journey, but with every single kind of layer you peel off, you open up this huge potential-

   21. JSJay Shetty13:14

       Mm

   22. RNRoxie Nafousi13:14

       ... for growth and abundance and opportunity, and you're constantly upleveling. So even when you take a step back, you're still never going back as far as you went, and that for me is really reassuring, and I hope for anyone listening who's also thinking, "What do you mean this is an ongoing journey?" [laughs]

   23. JSJay Shetty13:29

       Yeah.

   24. RNRoxie Nafousi13:29

       It, it's ongoing, but in the best possible way.

   25. JSJay Shetty13:33

       Yeah. I, I think it's interesting when you say that because I think, I believe that everything's a lifelong journey. There's literally nothing that you could actually say has a beginning and an end because even when you look at something that you don't think grows anymore, it is growing. It's just growing slowly, or it's growing differently, or it's growing uniquely, but everything's either growing or dying at any given time.

   26. RNRoxie Nafousi13:57

       Mm.

   27. JSJay Shetty13:57

       And I think people forget that, and I like the point you made that you can manifest negatively.

   28. RNRoxie Nafousi14:03

       Mm.

   29. JSJay Shetty14:03

       And you can actually manifest the other way.

   30. RNRoxie Nafousi14:05

       Yeah.
5. 14:07 – 17:02

   How do we manifest negativity?

   1. JSJay Shetty14:07

      Like, how do we almost manifest things not working out?

   2. RNRoxie Nafousi14:10

      So I think, like, really simple examples are if you wake up on the wrong side of the bed. You wake up in a really bad mood, and then you miss your train, and, you know, your meeting gets canceled, and you stub your toe or whatever it is. We've all had those experiences and those days where we're kind of just operating at this low vibe, we're in a bad mood, and then that's what's happening. But there's also, I think, a deeper level where we, you know, so much is self-fulfilling prophecies. So if we are constantly operating from this belief system that we aren't worthy, that we aren't enough, that we can't, you know, receive abundance, then we're going to change the way that we interpret and the, the meaning we attach to everything we experience. So we might have a conversation with someone which is a, in h- in perspective, someone else's perspective, it's just a, like, really normal conversation, but to that person who's got that low self-worth and d- and believes everybody's against them, they might take that conversation totally the wrong way and then sabotage the relationship and then go, "See, I told you."

   3. JSJay Shetty15:19

      Mm.

   4. RNRoxie Nafousi15:19

      "I told you nobody's here for me," or, "I told you I couldn't..." you know, whatever it is. And so I think in that sense, we are absolutely manifesting negativity into our lives because of how we're perceiving the world through that lens of low self-worth or low self-esteem.

   5. JSJay Shetty15:35

      Yeah, no, that's such a great answer, and I'm, I'm so glad you raised that point because I think people think, they're like, "Okay, well, should I start manifesting? Should I not? Does it work? Does it not?" And the point is you're already doing it-

   6. RNRoxie Nafousi15:44

      Yes

   7. JSJay Shetty15:44

      ... in, in one way or another. And I think a lot of people struggle with the idea of manifesting for people who are kind of more skeptical or cynical and things like that, and, and, you know, you, you said you came from a non-kind of spiritual background, too, to some degree it sounds or not open to these ideas, and, and that's the same with me. If someone told me about manifesting years ago, I would've just been like, "That's weird. Like, that doesn't work. It's just hard work. It's just you gotta put in the time." And now I realize I was subconsciously manifesting so many incredible things in my life, not knowing the term, not knowing the process, and then I was like, well, actually, if you know the process, you can use it better.

   8. RNRoxie Nafousi16:24

      Yes.

   9. JSJay Shetty16:25

      Right? Like, I think that's something that we've, don't understand. It's almost like if everyone who's listening or watching, if you think about something you do... Actually, ask your friends this. Ask your friends, "What do I do well?"

   10. RNRoxie Nafousi16:35

       Mm.

   11. JSJay Shetty16:36

       And whatever answer they give you, there might be some things in that that surprise you. Like, your friends might say, "Oh, you're actually a really good communicator," and you're, like, thinking, "Well, I never even knew that." Or your friend's like, "Oh, you're really great at mediating between us when we're arguing," and you didn't know that. Often when you don't know you have a skill, you actually don't know how to use it well, and that's what I find with manifesting. Whether you're using manifestation to create negativity in your life or positivity, knowing how it works makes

6. 17:02 – 21:43

   Devaluing the meaning of manifestation

   1. JSJay Shetty17:02

      sense. So how did you start to piece together your, you know, principles of manifestation? How did you start to gather and say, "This is an important part of the process"?

   2. RNRoxie Nafousi17:12

      I think, by the way, I'll, I'll start-

   3. JSJay Shetty17:14

      Yeah

   4. RNRoxie Nafousi17:14

      ... by saying that I think this conversation is so important, these conversations and this one especially, you know. I, so I'm so fortunate to have this platform to talk about this, and the reason it's so important to me is that because manifesting has become such a trend, I think it devalues it so much.

   5. JSJay Shetty17:31

      Yeah.

   6. RNRoxie Nafousi17:31

      And I'm so passionate about manifesting that I, I get almost a bit upset. I'm like, "No, it's so incredible. It's such a full and fulfilling and meaningful practice." And within it, there is science and philosophy and wisdom, and I think it can get a bad rep-

   7. JSJay Shetty17:49

      Yeah

   8. RNRoxie Nafousi17:49

      ... you know, from these, like, 30-second TikTok videos which maybe just are ma- are giving so many misconceptions around it. But this really is, like- It isn't woo, it isn't mystical, and actually my book in particular is for the skeptics

   9. JSJay Shetty18:05

      Mm-hmm

   10. RNRoxie Nafousi18:05

       So like anyone who's a skeptic, I challenge them to pick up the book and not feel better about their lives afterwards. But how I came up with the seven steps is honestly a terrible story. [laughs]

   11. JSJay Shetty18:16

       [laughs] I love it. That's great. That's awesome.

   12. RNRoxie Nafousi18:18

       I, um, so when I had Wolf, I kind of really was like, "I'm gonna" ... He's my son.

   13. JSJay Shetty18:24

       Yeah

   14. RNRoxie Nafousi18:24

       I thought, "I'm gonna make this career for myself in being of service to others, others" I realized that that was my purpose. It's what I'm here to do. Um, and so the first, I did a workshop. I used to watch like Brene Brown, and I just love her. And I, and I saw her, um, Called Courage on Netflix, and I was like, "I wanna do that. I wanna be on stage. I want to inspire people" So I thought, "I'm just gonna host my first workshop" And it was a self-love workshop, and 100 people came. I couldn't believe it. It was so-

   15. JSJay Shetty18:50

       Wow. That's amazing

   16. RNRoxie Nafousi18:51

       Yeah. I was like-

   17. JSJay Shetty18:51

       Where did they come from?

   18. RNRoxie Nafousi18:52

       I had a really small community-

   19. JSJay Shetty18:53

       Okay

   20. RNRoxie Nafousi18:54

       ... on Instagram. It was like, I think like 20,000 followers.

   21. JSJay Shetty18:57

       Right

   22. RNRoxie Nafousi18:57

       So it was good, but it was small. And I was really connected to them because I'm very open and vulnerable, and they've kind of been on the journey with me. And so I said, "Look, I'm gonna do this" And anyway, you know, I can't imagine, you know, what your first one was like, but I remember just my legs like jelly before I stepped on stage. But the moment I got on that stage, I was like, "This is what I'm here to do" Um, so I did that workshop. It went well, and so I was like, "Okay, I'm gonna do another one" And so I said to my audience, I said, "Guys, I've been following manifestation. I've been learning about it. Do you think I should do this?" And this was Jan 2020. And they were like, "Yeah" So I was like, "Now I have to do a workshop on manifestation. How am I gonna explain this practice? There is so much to it" So I just thought, "Right, I'm gonna put it in a step-by-step process" So I went on a walk, and I got out the notes on my phone, and within five minutes, I had my seven steps to manifesting. And I think it came so instinctively to me, but I made this claim that I said, "Everything you need to know about manifestation is in these seven steps" And then I panicked-

   23. JSJay Shetty20:03

       [laughs]

   24. RNRoxie Nafousi20:03

       ... because I was like, "This is a big cl- claim, and what if people realize that things are not in these seven steps?" And when I would listen to people talk, I was like on the edge of my seat thinking, "I hope there's not something that's not in my seven steps" [laughs] But I actually found that everything slotted in to one of these steps.

   25. JSJay Shetty20:21

       Yeah

   26. RNRoxie Nafousi20:21

       Um, and 100 people came to that workshop in Jan 2020. And then in the pandemic hit, I took them online. 700 people were then on a webinar in Jan 2021, and by Jan 2022, it was a Sunday Times bestseller.

   27. JSJay Shetty20:37

       Yeah

   28. RNRoxie Nafousi20:38

       So it was a really exciting journey, and I still stand by these seven steps. I live and breathe them. They are so practical, accessible, and easy for anyone to follow.

   29. JSJay Shetty20:50

       Yeah, no, the reason I asked that was actually because when I looked through the seven steps, I really appreciated that you got into things like, uh, my favorite ones, and, and I wanna talk about a few of these, but my favorite ones were step three, align your behavior. Uh, step six is probably, mm, without a doubt my favorite one out of all the seven, which is turn envy into inspiration. And even just the fact that you were considering envy when you talk about manifestation, I found that really interesting. I was like, "Oh, yeah, I've never heard someone talk about manifestation and go there" And also, you know, you obviously talk about overcoming tests from the universe, but it wasn't this, it wasn't just about the universe. There were just so many other elements to it. So let's dive into f- a few of these because I think I, I wanna give people a sense of some of these steps and, and, and we'll, we'll dream and talk about it too. But before we do that, let's talk about some of the misconceptions you mentioned. So what

7. 21:43 – 24:27

   Misconceptions about manifestation

   1. JSJay Shetty21:43

      are some of the big misconceptions that you are breaking and debunking the myths of manifesting in this book? Like, what would you say are your ones that stand out to you?

   2. RNRoxie Nafousi21:54

      So the first one is definitely that vis- manifesting is visualization.

   3. JSJay Shetty21:59

      Mm-hmm

   4. RNRoxie Nafousi21:59

      That you can visualize your way to success, or if you just think really hard about something or you have a positive mindset, it'll come to you. Um, it's just simply not the case.

   5. JSJay Shetty22:07

      Yeah.

   6. RNRoxie Nafousi22:07

      There's no substitute-

   7. JSJay Shetty22:08

      Agreed

   8. RNRoxie Nafousi22:08

      ... for hard work, and you can think as hard as you want about something, it doesn't mean it's gonna appear in your hands because this isn't magic.

   9. JSJay Shetty22:16

      Mm-hmm

   10. RNRoxie Nafousi22:16

       Okay? I always say it feels magical.

   11. JSJay Shetty22:19

       Mm-hmm

   12. RNRoxie Nafousi22:19

       Like I feel like this moment for me is magical. Like this is incredible, but it isn't. I made it happen.

   13. JSJay Shetty22:25

       Mm-hmm.

   14. RNRoxie Nafousi22:25

       You know, I did manifest it through act- taking action and following the rest of the steps. The other misconception I think is that it's a ritual. So I've done hundreds of interviews on manifesting, and in nearly every one I'll get asked, you know, um, what can someone do every day to manifest their partner?

   15. JSJay Shetty22:44

       Mm-hmm

   16. RNRoxie Nafousi22:44

       As if there's one thing you can do, like you can journal before bed, or you can do a visualization meditation. And what these are, these are rituals that support your manifesting journey. But manifesting is a self-development practice. You live and breathe it. Everything you do is part of your manifestation practice, like the way you show up for yourself, the boundaries you set, the routines you have, the habits you have. Everything matters. These rituals are not manifestation practices. They are just supporting the process. Um, and the other one is that you cannot manifest things that are totally out of your control. So sometimes I get asked, "Can you manifest winning the lottery?"

   17. JSJay Shetty23:29

       Yeah.

   18. RNRoxie Nafousi23:29

       I'm like, "No, you can't"

   19. JSJay Shetty23:31

       [laughs]

   20. RNRoxie Nafousi23:31

       Because it's nothing to do with you.

   21. JSJay Shetty23:33

       Yeah

   22. RNRoxie Nafousi23:34

       Manifesting is about becoming so empowered and so full of self-belief that you make things happen. And in that, it means that you can't manifest things that have absolutely nothing to do with you. It's, this isn't a game of luck.

   23. JSJay Shetty23:46

       Mm-hmm. Amazing. I love those. Those are three... You could, you could tell that you've, you've spent a lot of time thinking about these-

   24. RNRoxie Nafousi23:52

       [laughs]

   25. JSJay Shetty23:52

       ... because those are three really great, great answers on Some of the biggest challenges with manifesting, and I get asked all those questions all the time too, and-

   26. RNRoxie Nafousi24:00

       Yeah. [laughs]

   27. JSJay Shetty24:00

       ... I, I'm happy that you've done all the thinking in between for it. Uh, being clear about our vision, I think that's the one that gets talked about the most-

   28. RNRoxie Nafousi24:07

       Yes

   29. JSJay Shetty24:07

       ... when it comes to manifesting. Everyone's like, "Be really clear, be really specific." You hear the old examples of Jim Carrey wrote himself a $10 million check, and then, you know, then he got, I think it was Dumb and Dumber that he got a $10 million check for. You hear those stories of people who are really clear, like specific about the amount, specific about the person, specific. Talk

8. 24:27 – 30:22

   Having clear goals

   1. JSJay Shetty24:27

      to me about your key tenets of being clear about the vision.

   2. RNRoxie Nafousi24:31

      And, uh, interestingly, by the way-

   3. JSJay Shetty24:32

      Yeah

   4. RNRoxie Nafousi24:32

      ... this is the shortest chapter in the book.

   5. JSJay Shetty24:33

      Yeah.

   6. RNRoxie Nafousi24:34

      But it's the one that people spend the most on.

   7. JSJay Shetty24:35

      Most time on, yeah.

   8. RNRoxie Nafousi24:36

      Um, but it, of course, is important. I mean, from a neuroscience point of view, when we have these really clear goals and when we do visual rehearsal a lot, we prime the subconscious parts of our brain to reach that goal by filtering out unwanted information and seeking out opportunities that are aligned with them. So I like this step, and for its kind of ability to h- give us this kind of opportunity to actually figure out what it is we want from life. Like, who do we want to be? What do we want our lives to look like? But more importantly, what do we want our lives to feel like, you know? And I think that actually just giving ourselves that space to be really vulnerable and open and to step back and go, "Do I want something different? Do I want to be in a totally different industry? Do I want a different kind of relationship? You know, am I actually happy where I am now or not?" So I think it's a really, it's ... You know, creating a vision board, I always say, which, you know, is just creating a visual representation of what you want your life to look like, is a really sacred experience.

   9. JSJay Shetty25:41

      Mm.

   10. RNRoxie Nafousi25:41

       It's why I encourage people to put them away. Um, there's two camps on this.

   11. JSJay Shetty25:46

       Mm.

   12. RNRoxie Nafousi25:46

       Some people love having their vision boards out where you can see. I think they should be put away, because I think you have to be so vulnerable with your dreams.

   13. JSJay Shetty25:54

       Mm.

   14. RNRoxie Nafousi25:54

       You are not gonna be really honest about what you want if you think your mom is gonna walk in and see it on your wall, [laughs] or your boyfriend's gonna see it on your screensaver. Um, so having this kind of clarity and bravery and courage to actually be honest about what you want is all really integral to this step. Um, and a kind of practice or ritual that I like that supports this is a visualization meditation. For me, I fall asleep every night to one.

   15. JSJay Shetty26:23

       [laughs]

   16. RNRoxie Nafousi26:24

       Every night. Um, but yeah, it's, it's a, it's a really simple first step, and I just think it is about this kind of clarity for yourself.

   17. JSJay Shetty26:33

       Yeah. I think that's a great answer. I think so many times... And that's why I knew I wanted to talk to you about manifesting, because I feel so often in the manifestation world someone will say, "Yeah, well, pick your goal. Like, what is it? Visualize it. Think it." And I'm like, well, actually, it's so much more about what you said. It's so much more about who you wanna be and how you wanna show up in the world and how you wanna feel, because when you ask that question, you then realize, "Oh, wait a minute, is that thing gonna make me feel that?" Probably not. And so I'm, I'm gonna reflect on this back for the audience with my journey and, and how it makes sense. So when I was, after I'd left the monastery and I was working a corporate job so that I could pay my bills and take care of everything, around 2015, end of 2014, beginning of 2015, I felt like that. I felt I was doing good at a job that I didn't really see a future in, but I knew that my purpose was to help people and serve people, and I was trying to do that on the weekends and evenings. But there was only so many people I could connect with, and there was only so many people I could touch, because I didn't have that much time and energy. And there was a part of me that felt, "Well, I have to share this with more people." And so that's when I started exactly what you're saying, where I started looking into what will make me feel like I'm connecting to people. I've already helped a few people very deeply. What is it that I'm looking for? I'd already worked and coached a few people and gone all the way with them, but I was like, "I wanna touch more people, and I want to be able to reach people who their company can't afford this. They're not doing this because they have to have a coach as a business." It's like this is for anyone and everyone on the planet who can access it for free, who's just like me as the kid in London who grew up with no access to any of this but got lucky that I met the monks. How do I reach that person? And so I fully agree with you that it was in that moment that I decided what I wanted to feel and who I wanted to be, even though I had no idea what it looked like.

   18. RNRoxie Nafousi28:28

       Yeah.

   19. JSJay Shetty28:28

       So if you asked me to describe where I am today, which is still on the journey, I would never have described any of this in any specificity, because I just didn't know. And if anything, my goal and my visualization was far more basic and limited, but it was enough to get started. Does that feel fair?

   20. RNRoxie Nafousi28:44

       Yeah. Yeah.

   21. JSJay Shetty28:45

       Yeah.

   22. RNRoxie Nafousi28:45

       I love that, and I think that's so important for people, because one of my most asked questions is, "What if I don't know what I want?" And actually, what you're saying is, "Hey, I didn't know the exact things I wanted, but I did know what I w- who I wanted to be and how I wanted to feel." That is the best starting place, and I think so important for anyone listening. It's also feeling really lost, and people f- often find this practice when they are feeling lost. And when you are, it is really hard to have those specific goals.

   23. JSJay Shetty29:12

       Yeah.

   24. RNRoxie Nafousi29:12

       So you, you, you know, I think that's just such an important example to share. Thank you.

   25. JSJay Shetty29:16

       Yeah. No, no, no. It's just as, as soon as I heard you say that, I was putting myself in the shoes, and I, I feel that. I've never, I've actually never been specific about numbers, things. Those things have never been part of how I've manifested, and I'm not saying that's bad to. I'm saying that's not been my approach, and my approach has constantly been, how do I use the gifts I've been given in the service of others? Like, that's always been, like, the kind of intention. But moving away from that, we have this idea of, like you're saying, people are not always, uh, clear about their goals. They're not always c- clear about what they want. But then what usually hits is this fear and self-doubt, and I remember going through that as well. So I wanna ask you an interesting question about this. When you're thinking about fear and self-doubt- I feel like this is the part where we spend a lot of time, and most people get stuck in fear and doubt that they never start, they never try something, they never give it a go because they're worried about what their parents will think. They're worried about what their family will think of them. They're worried about what their friends will say. When you think about fear

9. 30:22 – 36:05

   Fear and doubt

   1. JSJay Shetty30:22

      and doubt, what is the root of what we're really struggling with in fear and doubt? Like, if you really had to think about that and go, what is at the core of why fear and doubt is such a hard thing to overcome in the process of manifesting?

   2. RNRoxie Nafousi30:34

      I always take a breath when I think about fear and doubt because it's so overwhelming for so many of us.

   3. JSJay Shetty30:40

      Yeah.

   4. RNRoxie Nafousi30:41

      And it was the hardest chapter to write, Remove Fear and Doubt.

   5. JSJay Shetty30:43

      I believe that. I believe that.

   6. RNRoxie Nafousi30:45

      Because how do you even begin in one chapter to describe how to begin that healing journey? I think that, you know, we're born into this world kind of full of confidence and self-love and, you know, I always look at Wolf when he comes home, and he's obsessed with himself, and I love it.

   7. JSJay Shetty31:03

      [laughs]

   8. RNRoxie Nafousi31:03

      You know what I mean? Like, he's not go-

   9. JSJay Shetty31:05

      He's adorable.

   10. RNRoxie Nafousi31:06

       Oh, thank you.

   11. JSJay Shetty31:06

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   12. RNRoxie Nafousi31:06

       But, you know, he's not coming home from nursery like, "Oh my God, Mom, like, you will never guess what I said to Oliver today." Like, like-

   13. JSJay Shetty31:12

       [laughs]

   14. RNRoxie Nafousi31:13

       ... he's not got that kind of, like, self-consciousness. He thinks he should have everything he wants, and rightly so. I mean, I am the biggest pushover as a mom. [laughs]

   15. JSJay Shetty31:20

       [laughs]

   16. RNRoxie Nafousi31:21

       I'm definitely, like, making that much worse. But I love that kind of like youthful confidence and belief that they are deserving of everything. But what happens is life. Like, life happens to us, and to varying extents, we come to believe that we aren't enough, that we aren't good enough as we are. And I mean, my personal belief around this is that I think rarely do we actually get unconditional love from our parents, and this isn't to blame our parents, but the love we receive actually is very conditional. It's, "If you are good, if you behave, I will love you. If you misbehave, if you show anger, if you are upset, if you are crying, I will punish you, and I will withdraw that love from you." And so of course, we're forming these beliefs so early on that we must mold ourselves to please those around us, our parents, then our teachers, and our peers, and the people we grow up with, and then our partners. And so when you're compounding those beliefs constantly throughout our lives, when we then have this realization, "Oh my gosh, I have no self-worth anymore," it's really, there's a big job ahead of you to start to undo all of that conditioning and come back to that bright, confident, buoyant, childlike self. But I think that the trick is just to begin, is to begin with, from a place of compassion. We can kind of judge ourselves for having the fear and doubt in the first place. You know, we can be like, "Oh, I wish I wasn't like this. I wish I had more confidence. I wish this." And I think even at that very first step, it's being able to go, "Hey, I'm so sorry," you know, to you and your inner child, "I'm so sorry that you don't feel like this yet. What can we do? How can we heal this?"

   17. JSJay Shetty33:16

       Mm.

   18. RNRoxie Nafousi33:17

       And then finding ways that work for you to, whether it's literally reprogramming your neural pathways and reprogramming your belief system, or I mean, just it, it starts to come, come into everything that we're doing and to, to changing how we feel about ourselves. Um, and for me, it's the mo- been the most profound journey I've ever been on. You know, for me to be able to sit here and say, "Do you know what? I really love who I am," is something I am so grateful for and so grateful to manifestation for, um, because I absolutely didn't think it was possible, like I know many people listening will feel.

   19. JSJay Shetty33:52

       Yeah, we either put up a facade of confidence, or we hide our insecurities, or we try and find a way to disguise the anxiety that we feel about ourselves in order to cope with, with the world outside of us. And I think for me, I did that for many, many years, and when I started to feel like I wanted to walk this path, the fear and doubt that came in was fear of failure. There was a doubt around if I had the skills or the ability. And just overall, I think my vision had shrunk, and you're so right. If someone asked me in my teens if this would have been possible, I would have said yes. But if someone asked me in my 20s, I would have said no. And so it's really interesting to see that stark comparison. If, if you asked me as a 15-year-old if anything could be possible, I would, I would have been much more broad-minded, and at 24, I'd become much more small-minded because you start thinking as to what's real and what's possible, and you start also looking at the people around you and going, "Well, where have they got to?" And, and then you start kind of, you know, creating a little hierarchy.

   20. RNRoxie Nafousi35:06

       Comparison. Yeah.

   21. JSJay Shetty35:07

       What were you saying? What was the word you-

   22. RNRoxie Nafousi35:07

       The comparison.

   23. JSJay Shetty35:09

       The comparison-

   24. RNRoxie Nafousi35:09

       Yeah

   25. JSJay Shetty35:09

       ... of where I am. I love what you're saying about getting back to that childlike exuberance and vibrance. I, I think that is the core. I think that's a great answer because I feel like that now too. I'd say the happiest I think I feel now is that I think I still allow myself to be a kid, and that, a kid in thought, a kid in activity, a kid in the idea of play, the idea of treating work and business as play, the idea of not taking it too overly seriously, where it stops being an expression and starts to become, you know, too structured. And of course, there's, there's times in which you have to be the opposite, so I get that as well. You talk about self-care being a big part of that through that time. When you, when you talk about self-care and self-love, again, words that are so thrown around and just so overused that they've lost their value. How have you

10. 36:05 – 41:23

    Self care through fear and doubt

    1. JSJay Shetty36:05

       looked towards self-care and self-love through the process of fear and doubt, and in a way that actually helps you through that toughness?

    2. RNRoxie Nafousi36:12

       So- I think for me, I, I started to realize early on that self-love was something that we could nurture in every decision we were making

    3. JSJay Shetty36:23

       Mm-hmm

    4. RNRoxie Nafousi36:23

       From the minute we wake up to the minute we go to bed, we have an opportunity to either eh boost our self-love and cultivate it, or the opposite. And so I started to become very mindful and using a lot of self-awareness to really look at every decision I was making. What time I was waking up, if I was snoozing my alarm, when I was saying no to things that I actually didn't want to do, and when I was just saying yes to please others. Um, how I was eating, how I was moving my body. And this kind of awareness started to change everything that I was doing. And I realized that self-love was honoring where I am today and where I wanted to be tomorrow. And by that I mean that, you know, in making our decisions, we need to be considering who we want to become, where I wanted to be tomorrow, what I wanted to manifest, who, you know, who I wanted to become, and if my decisions were aligned with that. But also making sure that my decisions were honoring how I was feeling each day. And so having that ability to kind of check in with myself. So on days where I was feeling like Superwoman, you know, when you wake up, you've got so much energy. I knew on those days I could really push myself harder at work. I could, you know, go harder in the gym, whatever it was. And on the days where I was waking up and I was... Because, look, life is still stressful. You know, you're not gonna learn to manifest and everything is perfect. But on the days where I was waking up feeling flat or lethargic or just a bit down or sad, how could I honor that via rest, recharge, um, getting an early night, saying no to social arrangements because that would cause me more stress, or making sure I, you know, finish my to-do list. And so it was this constant balance of, like, checking in with how am I feeling today emotionally, physically, mentally, and where do I wanna be tomorrow and what are my priorities for tomorrow, and finding that balance. And that, for me, is self-love.

    5. JSJay Shetty38:30

       Yeah

    6. RNRoxie Nafousi38:30

       And then within that is self-care, which is routines, looking after my- Like, I have found that I am someone that, you know, I, I work very hard. I'm very busy, but I don't have, like, boundless energy. I think some people, and Instagram probably, I don't know if, like, I had a warped vision, but I used to see people on Instagram that were so busy, and they just seemed to have all this energy for all the time, and I used to try and do that, and I kept getting burnt out and ill.

    7. JSJay Shetty38:58

       Mm

    8. RNRoxie Nafousi38:58

       And I would get the flu and my back would spasm, and I realized that my body just can't handle that level of adrenaline and stress for long durations. So for me, self-love and self-care was going, "Right. I have to take breaks for doing things that will really make my body feel better, that will calm down my nervous system, meditation, breath work, ice baths, IV drips," whatever it is for me that really helps me, and that's self-care.

    9. JSJay Shetty39:29

       Yeah, no, I, I love what you said there, and I think the key word that, that I was taking away was priorities and prioritization. I feel like that's one of the challenges with not just manifesting, but life in general, where it's like you were saying, "If I have a sense of priorities and then I need to rest the next day to get back to the priorities." But the problem is I think all of us have a lot of priorities, and we have a lot of things that we want to happen at the same time. And so it's like we want the amazing career, at the same time we want the amazing social life, at the same time we want an incredible vacation, at the same time we want eight hours of sleep every night.

    10. RNRoxie Nafousi40:04

        [laughs]

    11. JSJay Shetty40:05

        And it's like, d- I don't know anyone in the world. Like, I, you know, when, when I met my wife and, and even now in, in my life, like, my purpose is my priority. And my wife and my relationship with her is a massive part of that. But, but she knows that, and, and her purpose and her priority is her family. And so we have these, what some people would think of as competing priorities, and I don't see them as competing, I just see them as priorities-

    12. RNRoxie Nafousi40:31

        Yeah

    13. JSJay Shetty40:31

        ... that are different. And she knows that if there's a weekend and she has the choice to spend with her family or anyone else, she'll choose her family. And if I had the choice on a weekend to do my purpose or anything else, I would choose my purpose. That's just always the way it's gonna be. And I think what's really interesting about that is when people see amazing or exciting things happening in your life, it's like, yeah, because this is all I care about. Like, I don't, I'm not prioritizing pretty much anything else. And that's kinda like a scary mindset for people, because people, that's an intimidating mindset, a scary mindset, because people go, "But I don't wanna live like that." And the truth is, you don't have to live like that. No one does. But I find that if you don't wanna live like that, it's hard to create progress in any area, whether that's being a parent, whether it's being a partner, whether it's building a career, whatever it may be. So how does manifestation

11. 41:23 – 45:44

    Does manifestation and prioritization work together?

    1. JSJay Shetty41:23

       and priorities work together? Do you feel that people wanna manifest too many things? Are they too different? Is it, do we need to be more focused? How, how do you see that when it comes to manifestation?

    2. RNRoxie Nafousi41:34

       I think that you're right in that people kind of wanna have it all at the same time all together. But something's gotta give.

    3. JSJay Shetty41:41

       Mm.

    4. RNRoxie Nafousi41:42

       We're not superhuman. You know, there's only so much energy and time that we have, and I think that having that clarity on your purpose, on your priorities, um, is key. It's also why doing something you love is so important, because if people are going, "Well, I don't wanna prioritize my work and have to give up my social life, you know, or have to give up this," it's probably because you're not really that passionate about the work. By the way, for some people, they just want to have a job-

    5. JSJay Shetty42:12

       And that's totally fine

    6. RNRoxie Nafousi42:13

       ... which will pay them so that they can prioritize their social life. That is a good thing to know.

    7. JSJay Shetty42:18

       Yes

    8. RNRoxie Nafousi42:18

       Because then you're not thinking, "Right, you know, I need to have a job that i- is- This all-encompassing life purpose. Actually, I just wanna leave at 5:00.

    9. JSJay Shetty42:29

       Yeah.

    10. RNRoxie Nafousi42:29

        I don't wanna stress about it.

    11. JSJay Shetty42:30

        And that's awesome. Yeah.

    12. RNRoxie Nafousi42:31

        And that is great.

    13. JSJay Shetty42:32

        Yeah.

    14. RNRoxie Nafousi42:32

        I mean, sometimes I feel like that would [laughs] like actually, that's pretty awesome. You know, because they want to prioritize other things, travel or whatever. But I think it's also really important for people to know that your priorities will change. You don't need to get intimidated by this idea that, you know-

    15. JSJay Shetty42:48

        Mm

    16. RNRoxie Nafousi42:48

        ... if my priority now is my career, it has to be like that for the rest of my life.

    17. JSJay Shetty42:54

        Mm, mm.

    18. RNRoxie Nafousi42:54

        My priority this week-

    19. JSJay Shetty42:56

        Mm

    20. RNRoxie Nafousi42:56

        ... let's say, right, I'm here in America, and I'm, have these goals that I wanna manifest. My priority right now is 100% communicating my message and inspiring as many people as I want, which means I have not been out for dinner once.

    21. JSJay Shetty43:11

        [laughs]

    22. RNRoxie Nafousi43:12

        Right? I'm not with my son right now. That is my focus. I also know that as soon as I'm home, my priority is my son.

    23. JSJay Shetty43:20

        Mm.

    24. RNRoxie Nafousi43:20

        And I have to take a step back from work to give that the space it deserves. And so I always see your priority as being like your best friend.

    25. JSJay Shetty43:30

        Yeah.

    26. RNRoxie Nafousi43:30

        And what I mean is that you know when you go to your best friend to answer all your decisions? So you'll go, "Hey, what should I eat tonight?"

    27. JSJay Shetty43:36

        [laughs]

    28. RNRoxie Nafousi43:36

        Or, "Should I break up with my partner?" Or whatever. [laughs]

    29. JSJay Shetty43:39

        [laughs]

    30. RNRoxie Nafousi43:39

        Your priority is your decision-maker. It's your best friend. So when you're trying to make a decision of, "Should I go to this party?" Or, "Should I..." You know, let's say your priority is to feel really energized and healthy. "Should I eat this candy?" Whatever it is.
12. 45:44 – 50:01

    Mom guilt

    1. JSJay Shetty45:44

       Do you ever experience mom guilt because you're traveling, you're on the road, you're out there? And how do you manage it with, "But I'm also manifesting the life I, I want for myself and my son"? Like, I just wanna hear how that goes through in your head.

    2. RNRoxie Nafousi45:56

       Do you know, and I don't know if this is gonna be a very popular answer, but I don't really experience mom guilt.

    3. JSJay Shetty46:02

       I love that. How?

    4. RNRoxie Nafousi46:03

       Um-

    5. JSJay Shetty46:03

       How does that work?

    6. RNRoxie Nafousi46:04

       Because I know I, I really believe I'm a really good mom, and I believe I'm a good mom because I do give Wolf unconditional love and space to be whoever he wants to be. And as a parent, that, that's all we can do, is be as good as parents as we can be. We're not trying to be perfect parents. Like, I'm still, I'm still Roxie. I'm still many things. I'm a multifaceted human. Being a mom is one of those. I mean, it, it of course is the most important thing, but it's not all that I am. And I know that I'm giving Wolfie this unconditional love, safety. I'm trying to create, you know, a life not just for me, but for him as well. And you know what? He is the happiest little boy, so I'm clearly doing something right. [laughs] And I'm very lucky that Wade is an incredible dad. I know that he... You know, Wolf is never, apart from being in preschool, he's never with anyone other than me or Wade. So I know that he's, like, in safe hands, and he seems fine. You know, when I tr- like [laughs] honestly, before I was going to America, so Wade's taking him to Australia for three weeks, and I did start feeling really panicky. I was feeling quite anxious, like, I can't believe I'm gonna leave him. I'm not gonna see him for three weeks. Like, I'm missing this special time. And you know, I would say j- day to day, I'm not, like, a needy mom. Like, I don't, I'm not, like, s- overly attached, like, in a unhealthy way. Because like, you know, W- Wolf is not mine. He's not my possession. He's my son, and I'm here to guide him. Um, but he's a very affectionate little boy, just for context. He's very affectionate, loves cuddles, loves kisses. Like, he's so cute. Anyway, the day I was leaving, he could obviously sense my neediness and anxiety, and he refused-

    7. JSJay Shetty47:54

       [laughs]

    8. RNRoxie Nafousi47:54

       ... to hug me. I was like, "Baby, I'm not gonna see you for three weeks. Like, give your mommy a hug." He was just like, "Pff." It was almost like he was like-

    9. JSJay Shetty48:00

       [laughs]

    10. RNRoxie Nafousi48:00

        ... "Mom, you're being a bit much. Can you just back off?"

    11. JSJay Shetty48:03

        [laughs]

    12. RNRoxie Nafousi48:03

        And every time I tried to FaceTime him for the last two weeks, he's like, "I'm having too much fun. Like, I'm fine." And so he's happy. I'm happy. Um, and at the end of the day, I'm always gonna be here for him, and I'm thriving as much as I can. He's thriving wherever he is. And I think that, I hope that in sharing that, it will give other moms permission to be okay with not feeling guilty.

    13. JSJay Shetty48:31

        Mm.

    14. RNRoxie Nafousi48:31

        'Cause I almost think that sometimes we have- We feel guilty if we don't feel guilty. Like, I felt that.

    15. JSJay Shetty48:37

        Yeah.

    16. RNRoxie Nafousi48:37

        I thought, "Is there something wrong with me that I don't have this awful mom guilt?"

    17. JSJay Shetty48:41

        Totally, yeah.

    18. RNRoxie Nafousi48:42

        You know?

    19. JSJay Shetty48:42

        I can imagine that, yeah.

    20. RNRoxie Nafousi48:43

        But actually, I'm pleased that I don't, and I hope that it will encourage other moms to be okay with prioritizing themselves. You know, our children are learning from what we do, not what we say, and we know that. And if we are showing them that we respect ourselves, that we honor ourselves, that we want the best for ourselves, they are going to respond to that and learn from that, and it's a really important example to give.

    21. JSJay Shetty49:07

        Yeah, I think that's ... I- I love hearing that. It's refreshing. And the part that I was extrapolating from that was that it sounds like you've defined, at least internally, what you believe it means to be a good mom.

    22. RNRoxie Nafousi49:20

        Mm.

    23. JSJay Shetty49:20

        For yourself, for you, for Roxie, who you are. And if you have that definition, then you can live up to that. Now, I may have a definition of what a good mom is, and obviously I, I, I'm saying this hypothetically, but it's like if someone was to compare their definition to mine or mine to theirs, or X to Y, the problem is you can start adding a lot of pressure to your plate, and as you said, often get the pressure of, well, I have to be everything and, and anything. And when I was reading your book, you have this beautiful, uh, dedication to Wolf, uh, which is, "For my son Wolf. Be whoever you want to be." And, and I love that, and I was thinking when you

13. 50:01 – 54:24

    Legally changing a name

    1. JSJay Shetty50:01

       changed your name, it sounds like that was a moment where you were becoming who you wanted to be. How, how did your parents respond to that? Like, how did they, how did your family or extended family feel about you changing your name?

    2. RNRoxie Nafousi50:12

       You know, I think I was so headstrong, even as a child, that my parent- for me, it wasn't like I was asking my parents. I was like, "This is what I'm doing, and I have to do it." Um, my, I'm the youngest of four. My brothers and sisters just, you know, mocked me, obviously.

    3. JSJay Shetty50:27

       [laughs]

    4. RNRoxie Nafousi50:27

       That's what older brothers and sisters do. Uh, they thought it was ridiculous that I was now Roxie, and, um, they still don't call me Roxie. They all call me Roann.

    5. JSJay Shetty50:35

       Oh, wow.

    6. RNRoxie Nafousi50:35

       Um, but I love that. Um, but yeah, they, they didn't s- try to stop me, which I think was really nice, you know?

    7. JSJay Shetty50:41

       Yeah.

    8. RNRoxie Nafousi50:41

       And I think that's important. And I do feel like a Roxie, and I love it when people say, "I love your name." I'm like, "Thank you. I chose it." [laughs]

    9. JSJay Shetty50:49

       [laughs] Well, yeah, why, why Roxie? Where did it come from?

    10. RNRoxie Nafousi50:51

        Oh, I don't know. I was with a friend, and we were like, "What should we, what should we ch- choose?" And then-

    11. JSJay Shetty50:56

        [laughs]

    12. RNRoxie Nafousi50:57

        ... it was that or Rocky.

    13. JSJay Shetty50:58

        [laughs]

    14. RNRoxie Nafousi50:58

        I'm glad I chose Roxie.

    15. JSJay Shetty51:00

        Yeah.

    16. RNRoxie Nafousi51:00

        But we changed it to an I-E because I didn't want to be like the surf brand.

    17. JSJay Shetty51:03

        Yeah. [laughs]

    18. RNRoxie Nafousi51:04

        No offense to the surf brand, but I wanted something unique. [laughs]

    19. JSJay Shetty51:07

        Yeah, and I love ... I, I think that's really important because so much of who we are is not chosen by us-

    20. RNRoxie Nafousi51:13

        Mm

    21. JSJay Shetty51:13

        ... at the beginning of our lives, and then it's important that we start choosing.

    22. RNRoxie Nafousi51:18

        Yeah.

    23. JSJay Shetty51:18

        So the beginning of your life, so much is chosen for you, and as we get older, we only truly become who we are and who we want to be if we start choosing that.

    24. RNRoxie Nafousi51:27

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JSJay Shetty51:27

        And choosing your name is, is quite a big identity shift. It's not small.

    26. RNRoxie Nafousi51:31

        Yeah.

    27. JSJay Shetty51:32

        And choosing it as a kid is really hard because like you said, you could've ended up as Rocky, which-

    28. RNRoxie Nafousi51:35

        Yeah. [laughs]

    29. JSJay Shetty51:36

        ... which could've been ... Yeah, which-

    30. RNRoxie Nafousi51:37

        Rocky
14. 54:24 – 1:00:35

    Who you want to be

    1. JSJay Shetty54:24

       how, how does someone think about who they want to be in a healthy way? Because I think society has programmed us to say, you want to be a podcaster, you want to be an author, you want to be a billionaire. Like, the word that follows be is rarely Who. That's what you want to do.

    2. RNRoxie Nafousi54:40

       Yeah.

    3. JSJay Shetty54:40

       That's not who you wanna be.

    4. RNRoxie Nafousi54:42

       So true.

    5. JSJay Shetty54:43

       So-

    6. RNRoxie Nafousi54:43

       So true. Yeah. And I guess it is, you know, it's about, with who you want to be, it's, for me, that means kind of how you want to show up to the world, what values are important to you, what relationships you have, um, how you want to feel within yourself, how much integrity you have. Um, for me, for example, I really wanted to be someone who was really confident in themselves and confident in being a kind person, so it's really interesting that you touched on that. But being kind wasn't cool, right?

    7. JSJay Shetty55:18

       Yeah.

    8. RNRoxie Nafousi55:18

       At school, like-

    9. JSJay Shetty55:19

       It totally wasn't, yeah

    10. RNRoxie Nafousi55:19

        ... the people that were cool were the ones who were a bit nasty-

    11. JSJay Shetty55:23

        Yeah

    12. RNRoxie Nafousi55:24

        ... who mocked other people. Even when we would watch TV shows, you know, all the cool kids were kind of the mean ones, and even, like, if you would look at, like, in the PR and fashion world, like, the mean people-

    13. JSJay Shetty55:36

        Yeah

    14. RNRoxie Nafousi55:36

        ... were kind of glamorized. And I've always been quite a gentle, I think, really nice person, and that was something that I used to be quite ashamed of, in a way.

    15. JSJay Shetty55:46

        Yeah, same.

    16. RNRoxie Nafousi55:46

        And I used to think that people would just look down on me because of that quality.

    17. JSJay Shetty55:51

        Same.

    18. RNRoxie Nafousi55:52

        And so for me, I wanted to be able to just really be authentic in my kindness and go, "Hey, I actually really like that I'm sweet to people, and I'm not gonna judge myself for it. I wanna be someone that thrives in it, that loves myself for that quality, and I know that the right tribe will come to me for that." And I think it comes back to this point you made earlier about w- when we were talking about fear and doubt, you said, you know, there is so much worry about external validation. And in the manifesting process, one really important thing is that you have to be able to let go of the need for approval from others. Energy is directional. You cannot be constantly focusing on what other people want from you while simultaneously focusing on who you want to become.

    19. JSJay Shetty56:44

        Mm-hmm.

    20. RNRoxie Nafousi56:44

        You can't go both ways. And I describe it like this. I actually describe it like this in my next book, but imagine you're running a race, and you wanna get to the finish line. If you're running this race, and you're looking over at the person next to you to see how far they're going, or you wanna see if they're looking at you, you're gonna trip and fall. You have to stay completely razor-sharp, with razor-sharp focus on your own lane, on your own journey, on your own alignment, on who you want to be. And for that, we have to be able to live knowing that and being okay with the fact that not everybody is gonna like us.

    21. JSJay Shetty57:25

        Mm-hmm.

    22. RNRoxie Nafousi57:25

        It has been the most liberating thing for me to understand that I don't need to be liked by everyone. You know, as I'm growing and spreading my message, some people are gonna love me. Others are gonna find me really annoying. They're not [laughs] gonna like what I say. They're not gonna like how I say it, and that is okay.

    23. JSJay Shetty57:44

        Mm-hmm.

    24. RNRoxie Nafousi57:45

        And one thing that helped me be okay with it, and I hope will help some listeners be okay with it, is that nobody on Earth is universally liked.

    25. JSJay Shetty57:54

        Mm-hmm.

    26. RNRoxie Nafousi57:54

        When I realized that, everything changed. If I look at my best friends, at people I inspire and th- uh, that inspire me in the media, celebrities I love, as many people love them, there are others who can't stand them.

    27. JSJay Shetty58:08

        Absolutely.

    28. RNRoxie Nafousi58:09

        And that was really reassuring for me. I was like, "Hey, these people that I love have people that don't like them."

    29. JSJay Shetty58:15

        Mm-hmm.

    30. RNRoxie Nafousi58:15

        "And hey, it's the same for me as well." And that let, it, like, it set me free.
15. 1:00:35 – 1:03:14

    Being clear with your vision

    1. JSJay Shetty1:00:35

       something in order to serve my mission in manifesting- Then that's part of the manifesting. That isn't excluded because I don't enjoy it. Does, yeah, where does that sit with you on-

    2. RNRoxie Nafousi1:00:46

       100%, and it's why be clear- being clear in your vision is so important.

    3. JSJay Shetty1:00:50

       Yes.

    4. RNRoxie Nafousi1:00:51

       Because it's giving you that reason, that why, why you're doing the things that you don't enjoy necessarily, or that aren't your favorite part of-

    5. JSJay Shetty1:00:58

       [laughs]

    6. RNRoxie Nafousi1:00:58

       ... the process, but you're doing them anyway because of this greater thing. And, you know, I think that we kind of, I don't know if you agree, but there is an aversion to discomfort. Like we are-

    7. JSJay Shetty1:01:09

       Massively

    8. RNRoxie Nafousi1:01:09

       ... always trying to, like, avoid, not always and not everyone, but we can try to avoid things that feel uncomfortable, hard work, things that we don't wanna do because our brain is always trying to keep us, like, as safe and happy as possible.

    9. JSJay Shetty1:01:27

       Yeah.

    10. RNRoxie Nafousi1:01:28

        And it's also, you know, a lot of that is also coming from a place of fear as well, like that can't go unsaid. But, and I know this kind of phrase is, some people don't like it, but I do believe that part of self-love is self-discipline, is be-

    11. JSJay Shetty1:01:42

        Yeah

    12. RNRoxie Nafousi1:01:42

        ... a, there's a, you know, there's a fine line between giving yourself compassion and space to, like, be gentle with yourself and give yourself space to, like, experience the whole spectrum of emotions. Then sometimes we do need to just go, "Hey, you need to finish doing your accounts, even though it's really boring, and even though it makes you feel like your brain's gonna explode." [laughs] But you need to do them because it's part of this greater picture, and it's gonna get you closer to where you wanna go. And it's also the same with any time you have an opportunity to step outside your comfort zone, you know, to take risks, to do things despite the fear of being rejected, or the fear of failure, or whatever it is. And the more that we can retrain our brain to find this motivation and commitment to going beyond what we feel is comfortable-

    13. JSJay Shetty1:02:32

        Yeah

    14. RNRoxie Nafousi1:02:32

        ... you know, that's where we see the real growth. Um, I always say, like, there's a great quote which is, "Nothing changes if nothing changes."

    15. JSJay Shetty1:02:39

        Mm.

    16. RNRoxie Nafousi1:02:40

        But I also love, you know, I say it in my book, is if you want to see and create change in your life, you have to be the change.

    17. JSJay Shetty1:02:46

        Mm-hmm.

    18. RNRoxie Nafousi1:02:46

        Like, you are the driving force behind everything.

    19. JSJay Shetty1:02:50

        You talk about envy in your book, and I find envy fascinating because the Vedas talk a lot about it, which are the books I studied as a monk. I've, I found envy to be one of the most interesting emotions. It's, it's fascinating as an emotion to me to have to figure out where's it coming from, what's it doing? And you talk about in the book how you turn envy into inspiration or, or that's what you recommend in manifesting.

16. 1:03:14 – 1:08:59

    What does envy represent

    1. JSJay Shetty1:03:14

       What is envy a representation of for you, and, and how have you made sense of it when you talk about turning it into inspiration?

    2. RNRoxie Nafousi1:03:20

       Yeah, so I think this is a really important step for all of us. So envy comes from this scarcity mindset, that there's not enough to go around. So if you have something, it's potentially less for me.

    3. JSJay Shetty1:03:33

       Mm.

    4. RNRoxie Nafousi1:03:33

       And it's coming from this place of fear. So I always say envy is fear and doubt in disguise.

    5. JSJay Shetty1:03:39

       Yeah.

    6. RNRoxie Nafousi1:03:39

       What often happens is that we are constantly trying to deny ourselves of our envy. We don't wanna admit when we're feeling it. Whenever I'm in a workshop and I talk about envy, you could hear a pin drop, because nobody wants to, like, give away that they've ever felt envy before, you know?

    7. JSJay Shetty1:03:57

       Mm.

    8. RNRoxie Nafousi1:03:57

       There's so much shame around it. You know, it's definitely, you know, look at the Disney film, there's, like, the Green-Eyed Monster, you know?

    9. JSJay Shetty1:04:04

       Mm.

    10. RNRoxie Nafousi1:04:04

        They're always, the villains are the envious ones. And when we don't kind of admit our envy, we pass it on often as judgment or criticism of others.

    11. JSJay Shetty1:04:15

        So true.

    12. RNRoxie Nafousi1:04:16

        So we see a confident person walk through the door, and we go, "Oh, they're so full of themselves." Or we see a couple kind of, you know, kissing on the street, "Urgh, get a room." We're constantly passing this judgment of other people, and I think that is just envy coming out. And so at the very first step, what I really encourage people to do is just start to take ownership of it. Look out for any time you're judging or criticizing others, and seeing, is this really a sign that I'm feeling envious of something that they have or something that they're doing? Also, when you've, know, you know, we, there are times where the envy is just blatant, like your friend gets a job promotion and you wanted that job promotion. Or, you know, if you see someone getting engaged and you're really, you know, wa- waiting for your partner to propose, then it's more obvious. But either way, when we notice that envy or we've, you know, realized that we've been judging someone and, and we've been disguising it, yes, I am feeling envious. That's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. It's not making me a bad person. But what is this showing me? It's showing me that something still needs healing within me.

    13. JSJay Shetty1:05:22

        Mm.

    14. RNRoxie Nafousi1:05:22

        Whether that's an insecurity or just a real doubt that there is enough for everybody to go around.

    15. JSJay Shetty1:05:28

        Mm.

    16. RNRoxie Nafousi1:05:29

        To then take it further, we can turn that and transform it into inspiration. Inspiration is the antithesis of envy. It says that there is enough for us all. It comes from a really abundant mindset. What you have something, and I can have it too. And I truly believe there is an abundant of love, success, happiness, and money in the universe for us all.

    17. JSJay Shetty1:05:51

        Mm.

    18. RNRoxie Nafousi1:05:51

        And so what I encourage people to, to do constantly is try to get into this habit of turning that envious thought or feeling, first by owning it and being compassionate around it, and then transforming it into inspiration. So for example, if you see someone getting married, and you're going, "Oh my God, everybody's getting married around me, I'm so jealous," you can transform it to, "Isn't this another beautiful representation of love? I can't wait to have that for myself when the time is right." So we always have this opportunity to transform this very low vibrational feeling of envy and turn it into something that is high vibrational, that is more empowering, that feels better, and it's why, you know, supporting each other, celebrating each other is so important.

    19. JSJay Shetty1:06:36

        That's awesome. I'm so glad we talked about that because- Yeah, I find that envy can also be the biggest block to manifesting, because if you ultimately, after doing all these steps, at step six, are feeling envious of others-

    20. RNRoxie Nafousi1:06:49

        Yeah

    21. JSJay Shetty1:06:49

        ... it, it just takes all of that high vibrational energy back to low vibrational energy, and it's... Envy's one of those, like, I know there's, there's all these new thoughts about, you know, envy's a sign of what you really want and things like that, and I'm, I'm not fully in agreement of that. Like, I don't, I don't think that... I often think that our envy just exists much more broadly. Uh, if you have narrow envy in an industry or a space, you're probably luckier. Generally, we can feel envious of lots of different people for lots of different things because we don't know our own values. When you know your values, you'll only be envious of people in your value space, and that's helpful as a start. But you're so right that, yeah, if you, if you find yourself falling into the envy, it's not even what you share with others, it's holding that bitterness within your own heart and mind.

    22. RNRoxie Nafousi1:07:34

        It's horrible.

    23. JSJay Shetty1:07:34

        It's horrible. Like, it just, it's just so polluting. And letting go of it, and for me, what's really helped is againing- again, getting really clear on what you said, that if I'm doing my thing, it really doesn't matter what anyone else is doing, and, and it won't have that... Someone else's moves don't influence mine, and someone else's wins and losses don't influence mine. And I think it's also, this is where I wanted to get to, it's also the other way around. Sometimes envy is you can't enjoy someone else's wins, but sometimes envy is you deeply enjoy someone's losses.

    24. RNRoxie Nafousi1:08:16

        Yeah.

    25. JSJay Shetty1:08:16

        So when someone loses, you take joy in it, and someone wins, you don't care.

    26. RNRoxie Nafousi1:08:22

        Yeah.

    27. JSJay Shetty1:08:22

        But when you take joy in someone's loss, I, I see this in the news every day, like when people get divorced and we're like, "Oh, we knew they'd get divorced. We told you so." Uh, someone loses a game, and we're like, "Oh, you're the worst player of all time." Like, we take so much joy in other people's loss or in other people's failure or supposed failure, and we don't realize that when that same thing happens to us, we're gonna treat ourselves the same way. Now, God forbid you go through something similar that you condemned online, you're gonna condemn yourself through that whole process, rather than giving yourself compassion and space.

    28. RNRoxie Nafousi1:08:58

        It's so true. I,

17. 1:08:59 – 1:11:53

    Finding joy in other people’s losses

    1. RNRoxie Nafousi1:08:59

       I similarly, I always say that every time you're judging someone else, you are dev- like compounding and building this fear that other people are judging you.

    2. JSJay Shetty1:09:09

       Yeah.

    3. RNRoxie Nafousi1:09:10

       And that you will then judge yourself more. So actually, the less we do it for other people, the less we find joy in other people's losses, and the less we find ourselves judging and criticizing others, actually, the less we'll do it to ourselves or fear that other people will do it to us as well.

    4. JSJay Shetty1:09:24

       Yeah.

    5. RNRoxie Nafousi1:09:25

       So I think it's a really, really important one to talk about. And I think, you know, personally, it's something that's really empowered me to manifest because, like you say, of course it's a big block. Because if I was... You know, when my book came out, I'm going into the s- you know, into having a career in the self-help, you know, industry, let's call it. If I was thinking, "Oh my gosh, no, there's so many successful... Jay Shetty is like, he's got millions of followers, and I'm never gonna be that big." And if I started having that, I would be totally blocking myself.

    6. JSJay Shetty1:10:02

       Mm-hmm.

    7. RNRoxie Nafousi1:10:02

       Right? But we're all on the same mission. We are all here to help people and inspire people. And for every coach, healer, author out there, there are thousands of people wanting to learn.

    8. JSJay Shetty1:10:14

       Yes.

    9. RNRoxie Nafousi1:10:15

       And who listens and hears my message and takes it in-

    10. JSJay Shetty1:10:19

        Yeah

    11. RNRoxie Nafousi1:10:20

        ... is supposed to be in my tribe. But I'm, like I said, I'm not for everyone.

    12. JSJay Shetty1:10:25

        So-

    13. RNRoxie Nafousi1:10:25

        And so for s- other people, they'll hear you speak, and that will resonate way more with them, or they'll hear another coach speak or another speaker or another author, and that's great.

    14. JSJay Shetty1:10:35

        Yeah.

    15. RNRoxie Nafousi1:10:35

        Because we're all, we're all on the same mission, and that's an abundant m- mindset, and that's why I can look at you and Brene Brown and Tony Robbins and anyone in this world and go, "That is so inspiring. I love seeing people help other people."

    16. JSJay Shetty1:10:50

        Yeah. Exactly. And I, and I think you identified it perfectly there. It's, the real question is, are we here for the healing or are we here for us? And, and that's really the question. And if you're really in it for the healing, then anyone who's a healer, you'll appreciate them, even if their healing style's different. But that sign, that sign is so clear when you're like, "Oh yeah, I don't like the way they're doing it. Don't like the way... Oh, I don't agree with them. Oh, they're not..." And that's, it just create fractions and fractures internally as well. So I'm so glad you brought that up, too. It's beautiful. And I think as you were talking, I was, I was piecing a thought together, and it's this idea of how comfort creates self-care, but discomfort creates self-respect.

    17. RNRoxie Nafousi1:11:31

        Mm, I love that.

    18. JSJay Shetty1:11:33

        And, yeah. And it just hit me while you were talking, and I was thinking that discomfort has actually brought me so much more than comfort, and now I appreciate comfort more because I know I can get into discomfort when I need to. And so the self-respect

18. 1:11:53 – 1:16:45

    Building self respect

    1. JSJay Shetty1:11:53

       that comes from discomfort creates such a confidence and a swagger and an energy that then you cradle with comfort-

    2. RNRoxie Nafousi1:12:03

       Yes

    3. JSJay Shetty1:12:03

       ... when you need to.

    4. RNRoxie Nafousi1:12:05

       Yes.

    5. JSJay Shetty1:12:05

       As opposed to when you've only cuddled and comforted the whole time, it's really hard to then have that feeling of self-respect. So every time I go through something tough, I'm like, "God, I did that." Like, every time I break through something, I'm like, "I can do hard things."

    6. RNRoxie Nafousi1:12:19

       Yeah.

    7. JSJay Shetty1:12:19

       Like, "I can do really tough stuff." And that builds self-respect, and self-respect is what I need in order to function in life, to build self-worth, in order to-

    8. RNRoxie Nafousi1:12:29

       Totally

    9. JSJay Shetty1:12:29

       ... have self-belief. Does that, yeah.

    10. RNRoxie Nafousi1:12:31

        Oh, I love that. I love that, and I think you're absolutely right. I mean, there's no better feeling than doing something that you thought you couldn't.

    11. JSJay Shetty1:12:38

        Yeah.

    12. RNRoxie Nafousi1:12:38

        Or being able to have that mindset. You know, even little things, like-

    13. JSJay Shetty1:12:42

        Little things, yeah

    14. RNRoxie Nafousi1:12:43

        ... like for me and my ice bath yesterday, six minutes, I was like, "This is so hard."

    15. JSJay Shetty1:12:47

        Six is good. That's amazing.

    16. RNRoxie Nafousi1:12:49

        Oh my God.

    17. JSJay Shetty1:12:49

        Six is amazing, yeah.

    18. RNRoxie Nafousi1:12:50

        [laughs] I was like, "I'm so cold." And I just, like, tapped into that kind of mental strength. I was like, "Discomfort is okay." And afterwards, I felt so proud of myself. And it's quite similar to self-trust.

    19. JSJay Shetty1:13:02

        Mm-hmm.

    20. RNRoxie Nafousi1:13:02

        I always say, like, follow through with things that you say you're gonna do, because that builds self-trust, which, again, impacts that self-worth, that self-esteem, that self-confidence. You know, the, uh, every time we say to ourselves, "I'm not gonna drink tonight," and then you go out and drink-

    21. JSJay Shetty1:13:17

        Mm-hmm

    22. RNRoxie Nafousi1:13:17

        ... you're losing that self-trust.

    23. JSJay Shetty1:13:18

        Mm-hmm.

    24. RNRoxie Nafousi1:13:18

        Or when you say, "I'm gonna finish that, you know, assignment today," and then you don't, you're losing that self-trust. But when you actually do things like, you know, push through discomfort, or you follow through with things that you g- you say you're gonna do, you're building self-discipline, self-respect, self-trust.

    25. JSJay Shetty1:13:35

        Mm-hmm.

    26. RNRoxie Nafousi1:13:35

        And all these things combined is what is making you feel more empowered, more confident. And in that empowerment, you take steps that you never thought were possible to live a dream that you feel so proud of.

    27. JSJay Shetty1:13:49

        Yeah, absolutely. And it, and it's doing... What, what's really hitting me right now with, with what you're saying is that it's doing hard things that are meaningful to you. The challenge is a lot of us are doing hard things that are not meaningful to us.

    28. RNRoxie Nafousi1:14:02

        Yes.

    29. JSJay Shetty1:14:02

        So when you break through something hard that's not meaningful to you, it doesn't feel great. And so I do believe people are doing hard things every day. I do believe people are working hard every day. I do believe that people are struggling every day, but often it's towards something that isn't important to them. And so if we can find a way to do hard things that are meaningful to us, that can unlock a whole new mindset and, you know-

    30. RNRoxie Nafousi1:14:29

        Totally
19. 1:16:45 – 1:20:20

    Roxie on Final Five

    1. JSJay Shetty1:16:45

       with a Final Five.

    2. RNRoxie Nafousi1:16:46

       Yeah.

    3. JSJay Shetty1:16:46

       Uh, so I hope you haven't been practicing too much for that.

    4. RNRoxie Nafousi1:16:49

       No, I haven't.

    5. JSJay Shetty1:16:50

       [laughs]

    6. RNRoxie Nafousi1:16:50

       I've just in this moment I remembered-

    7. JSJay Shetty1:16:51

       You just remembered, yeah

    8. RNRoxie Nafousi1:16:52

       ... you ca- you did the... Did you do the first one with Alex Cooper?

    9. JSJay Shetty1:16:55

       No, no, we've done Final Five forever, but that, I'm gonna do-

    10. RNRoxie Nafousi1:16:57

        Oh, was there a new thing with her?

    11. JSJay Shetty1:16:58

        Yeah, yeah. That's Many Sides of You. We'll do that one.

    12. RNRoxie Nafousi1:17:00

        Oh, okay, okay.

    13. JSJay Shetty1:17:00

        Usually I do Final Five when it's someone's first time, and s- sides afterwards, but-

    14. RNRoxie Nafousi1:17:05

        Right

    15. JSJay Shetty1:17:05

        ... I wanna do both with you.

    16. RNRoxie Nafousi1:17:06

        No, no, no, no, no. [laughs]

    17. JSJay Shetty1:17:08

        You've asked for both, so. You've asked for both.

    18. RNRoxie Nafousi1:17:08

        I was like, "Wait, what was the thing that was the first?"

    19. JSJay Shetty1:17:10

        Yeah. Okay, good. All right. So Roxie, these are your Final Five. Question number one: What is the best manifestation advice you've ever received or heard?

    20. RNRoxie Nafousi1:17:19

        That we manifest what we subconsciously believe we are worthy of receiving.

    21. JSJay Shetty1:17:23

        Hmm. Great answer. All right, second question: What is the worst manifesting advice you've ever heard or received?

    22. RNRoxie Nafousi1:17:29

        That if you think about something hard enough, it will appear for you.

    23. JSJay Shetty1:17:32

        Number three is, how would you define your current purpose?

    24. RNRoxie Nafousi1:17:36

        To help and inspire others to find the light within them.

    25. JSJay Shetty1:17:40

        Beautiful. I love that. Uh, so clear, all these answers. It's fantastic. Uh, question number four is, I love that you talked about keeping your, uh, vision board, like, private and sacred and, like, more internal. Like, where do you keep it? Do you do it on a, on a board, a pad, a journal? Like, what's, what's your way?

    26. RNRoxie Nafousi1:17:59

        I have the most basic vision board-

    27. JSJay Shetty1:18:02

        I love it

    28. RNRoxie Nafousi1:18:02

        ... you have ever seen. [laughs] For someone that talks so much about manifesting, it's actually quite embarrassing. I have really terrible handwriting, firstly I'll say. You'll see on your signed book. [laughs] But, um-

    29. JSJay Shetty1:18:14

        Oh, yeah

    30. RNRoxie Nafousi1:18:14

        ... I get, like, an A4 piece of card, and I write in felt tip pen.

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