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WORLD LEADING ASTROLOGER: If You Ignore THIS You Could MISS the Love of Your Life!

What part of your life feels unclear right now? What direction do you secretly wish you could choose? Today, Jay is joined by astrologer and author Chani Nicholas for a deeper look at astrology beyond the pop-culture stereotypes. Chani traces astrology back to its ancient roots, describing it as a timeless tool for understanding our place in the world and the inner forces that shape us. Together, she and Jay break down the basics: birth charts, rising signs, the sun and the moon, and how each piece reveals something about our drive, our emotional needs, and the natural rhythms that shape our lives. The conversation deepens as Jay and Chani explore purpose, growth, and personal agency. Chani explains that astrology isn’t about predicting your future, it’s about noticing your patterns, understanding yourself, and making choices with more awareness. She shares her own stories about finding her calling, meeting her partner, and the ways astrology can reaffirm the truth people already sense within themselves. Together, they unpack common misconceptions about compatibility, Mercury retrograde, and so-called “bad signs,” offering a more compassionate, practical way to work with timing without giving up responsibility for your life. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Use Astrology to Find Your Purpose How to Work With Your Saturn Return How to Navigate Tough Life Cycles With Awareness How to Use Astrology to Choose the Right Moment How to Strengthen Self-Agency Through Astrology How to Release a Difficult Year and Reset Intentionally As you move forward, remember that life isn’t asking you to have everything figured out, it’s simply asking you to stay curious, stay honest, and stay connected to what feels true within you. The cycles you’re experiencing aren’t setbacks; they’re invitations to pause, reflect, and realign with the life you know you’re capable of living. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty Join over 750,000 people to receive my most transformative wisdom directly in your inbox every single week with my free newsletter. Subscribe here. Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:01 What Exactly Is Astrology? 02:39 Understanding the Cycles We Live In 05:31 How Astrology Evolved Over Time 07:42 Discovering Your Life’s True Purpose 11:34 How to Read and Understand a Birth Chart 14:52 Why “Bad Astrology” Isn’t Real 19:04 What Does Your Sun, Moon, and Rising Actually Mean? 20:16 Living in Alignment With Your Chart 25:30 When Your Chart Shows the Areas You Struggle Most 27:34 Can Astrology Reveal Future Wealth? 29:12 Asking Yourself What You Truly Want 32:42 What’s the Difference Between Fate and Free Will? 36:06 What Astrology Shows About Your Relationships 38:41 Choosing the Best Timing for Big Decisions 47:13 Staying Grounded in What You Feel 52:46 If You’re Not Ready, Focus on Inner Work First 54:27 Noticing the People Who Changed Your Life for the Better 57:45 Inspiring Others Through Your Own Growth 01:03:52 What is Your Saturn Return? 01:10:51 Why You Don’t Need to Fear Your Saturn Return 01:14:19 Is Mercury Retrograde Actually That Bad? 01:18:58 Don’t Use Your Sign to Excuse Bad Behavior! 01:20:22 Are Certain Signs More Compatible? 01:23:14 Making “Incompatible” Charts Work Together 01:25:32 Who Are You as This Year Comes to a Close? 01:33:04 Chani on Final Five Episode Resources: https://www.instagram.com/jayshetty https://www.facebook.com/jayshetty/ https://x.com/jayshetty https://www.linkedin.com/in/shettyjay/ https://www.youtube.com/@JayShettyPodcast http://jayshetty.me

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  1. 0:001:01

    Intro

    1. JS

      [intro music] For anyone who's heard of astrology-

    2. CN

      Mm-hmm

    3. JS

      ... but doesn't really know what it is, what is astrology and how does it work?

    4. CN

      So astrology is the study of how the sky mirrors what happens on Earth. Astrology and your astrology chart is a mirror of your life, of your life's purpose, of your soul. It's a mirror of the events that also happen on the Earth. And when you're born, somebody's astrology chart is literally like a map of their life. It's a map of your potential, it's a map

  2. 1:012:39

    What Exactly Is Astrology?

    1. CN

      of your problems, it's a map of your growth edges. It's a map of all the ways in which you need to grow and work and change into yourself. And what it also signifies is that there's this kind of sense of you're an amulet of the exact time that you were born. So every single moment of life has its own chart. So us meeting today has a chart for it. And it is a crystallization, or the chart becomes a map of what we're crystallizing together. So you as a person, when you're born, we look at, we take a snapshot of the entire sky when you're born, and the exact loca- location and the exact time that you were born. And we see where everything was in the sky, and that is the amulet of you, if you so choose to work with it and look at it.

    2. JS

      So you're looking at everything from the stars, the moon, the position of where you were born, the time of birth.

    3. CN

      Yeah, we're looking at everything. So literally right now, if we were to take a snapshot of the sky, because we are in this place and because it's this time, there's a specific sign rising up over the horizon. The sun is in a specific place in the sky. And everything else out there in relationship to the Earth is in a specific place, and it's having a certain relationship. And so astrology is the study of those relationships. One of the longest-standing scientific documents is from ancient Babylon, and it's a 700-year documentation of the planets' movements

  3. 2:395:31

    Understanding the Cycles We Live In

    1. CN

      and of what happened on Earth during those movements. So it's literally our longest-standing scientific record. Humans forever have been fascinated with what happens in the sky. And if you think about it, I was somewhere recently where there wasn't a lot of electricity, and I could have this, like, beautiful swath of sky. And I was like, oh, wait, remember... or think about what it was like before electricity. The sky, if you could see it, if it was a cloudless night, it was just, like, teeming with light. You could see galaxies. I mean, you can see the Milky Way. You can see... And then you can see the planets moving. And so we've always, until very recently, had a very specific relationship with nature, with all of life around us. And the sky has always been a part of our relationship with life. And the study of the planets and the study of the moon, the study of the sun, the study of the cycles that we live within also taught us how to count, taught us how to understand rhythms. I mean, it taught us math. [laughs] So it was always an integral part of how we came to understand who we were. And so through the study of the planets for, again, hundreds and hundreds of years, people came up with, the ancients came up with an understanding of what the planets did and kind of what they meant. And so we have this lineage of thousands of years of documentation and thousands of years of scholarship, and thousands of years of people examining what the sky was looking like and what it meant for people living that moment out. So you're a moment in time, and I'm a moment in time. And that moment in time had a specific essence. And then you as a person with free will, as a soul, you get to live that out and express that however you want. Like, but it is what it is, but you have free will within that.

    2. JS

      We're gonna get to that.

    3. CN

      Yeah. [laughs]

    4. JS

      I'm gonna ask you about that. When, when did-

    5. CN

      I know it freaks people out.

    6. JS

      No. When did humans, when did humans start to develop astrology or start to interact with this mindset that what we see in the sky has relevance to who we are? Because when you say who we are, are you talking about personality? Are you talking about, you know-

    7. CN

      Yeah

    8. JS

      ... what, what elements are you talking about?

    9. CN

      So the personality kind of test of astrology is fairly new in terms of astrology's long, long history. But humans have painted, like some of the earliest paintings we have from the caves of Lascaux in France, they are the stars, they are the Pleiades. They're the stars that would rise up around the spring, and so it was like the

  4. 5:317:42

    How Astrology Evolved Over Time

    1. CN

      rebirth. And so again, we have to remember, like, as hunters and gatherers, as people, you know, just like figuring out how to live on the Earth, we would know what time of year it was because of, yes, where the sun was, but also because of what constellations were rising. So we were literally, like, it was part of our ability to-To find sustenance, to understand where we were in time and space. So in terms of understanding ourselves and our lives and how long that is, we can only go by what we have written down, so that's at least a couple of thousand years old. And I can only assume that it was much older than that because, you know, whatever was written down might have been lost and, you know, the written word is a fairly kind of newer technology in human history. But it's at least a couple of thousand years old that we've been making meaning of what it meant when you were born, that the sun was doing this or there was a, you know, this thing happening over here. And for a large part it was used to understand, like, rulerships, and it was, uh, used to understand the ways in which civilizations would kind of come about, and, like, when it was good for the king to do this [laughs] or the, you know, so-and-so that was in, in power to do that. And then slowly over a longer period of time it began to be much more about the person, and, like, it became more open to the greater public.

    2. JS

      For, for anyone who's listening and they're skeptical about astrology-

    3. CN

      Yeah

    4. JS

      ... they have their doubts-

    5. CN

      Yeah

    6. JS

      ... they're cynical about it, what would you say to them?

    7. CN

      Great. I love it. Like, you should be cynical. And also, God forbid we all like the same thing. [laughs] I just like, I don't think that ... I don't really even wanna live in a world where we all, like, believe in astrology, whatever that might mean. I think diversity is really important. I think that the ma- my main agenda is that you understand what your life's purpose is, and you move towards that with the greatest efficacy possible, and that moves you towards serving the world in your own specific way. I think that for me,

  5. 7:4211:34

    Discovering Your Life’s True Purpose

    1. CN

      astrology is my quickest entry point into that, but there are a thousand, and they're all legitimate and wonderful. I just want you to find yours. And so if you don't like astrology, great. I don't know of anybody, and I, you know, I'm sure there is people out there, I don't know of anybody that has spent a significant amount of time studying astrology, like really thoroughly studying it, and then feeling like it had no merit whatsoever. Jung, the, the psychotherapist, psychologist, uh, famously thought it was ridiculous and studied it and converted himself, and then he actually became somebody who impacted the field greatly. But I feel like most people that don't like it are thinking about sun sign horoscopes, which are like a gateway drug [laughs] into astrology. Like, they're not the thing. Um-

    2. JS

      Talk to me about the difference between what you're talking about and-

    3. CN

      Yeah

    4. JS

      ... sun sign horoscopes.

    5. CN

      So sun sign horoscopes were developed around the time of the p- printing press so that people could have an easy access point, an e- easy entry point into understanding their astrology. 'Cause basically if you knew the day that you were born, give or take, you knew what sun sign you were. But before that, it was very, very focused on the rising sign, and the rising sign's so specific because, again, it's about where you're born and the exact time, 'cause that's the exact piece of sky that's rising up over the eastern horizon. And that's your marker of life. Like, that's your yes, I'm here, I'm saying yes to this life. I am, you know, separate from the body that brought me here, all of that. So your sun sign is like something you share with people that are born within a 30-day span as you. It's very general. There's a lot to be gleaned from it, but it's not your chart. Only your rising sign can tell us your entry point, and then it sets up the entire chart. It sets up the meaning of everything else for you. So it's like looking at a sliver of a picture or, like, even a, a pixel instead of looking at the whole thing.

    6. JS

      Mm.

    7. CN

      So yeah, if you are like, "I don't wanna be boiled down to a couple of tropes about my sun sign," I agree with you. I don't either. That's why-

    8. JS

      Okay

    9. CN

      ... I don't even like talking about my chart [laughs] in public because I don't like having people think that they understand who I am by something so surface level.

    10. JS

      Mm.

    11. CN

      And your chart is so much more complex than that. I mean, there's like, there's like fractals of fractals that you can get into of meaning that people, again, spent thousands of years developing, and like, uh, and, and pouring their, their life into. And so your sun sign is, like ... It's fun to share. It's very meme-able. It's very game-able. Um, it's very shareable. And so it's an entry point, but it has so little to do-

    12. JS

      Mm

    13. CN

      ... with the reality of what we're actually looking at when we look at your chart.

    14. JS

      Yeah. That's relieving.

    15. CN

      Yeah.

    16. JS

      That's good. Yeah.

    17. CN

      Yeah.

    18. JS

      It's, it's-

    19. CN

      Yeah

    20. JS

      ... really helpful because I feel like you're absolutely right that it's shareable, it's interesting, it's fun to talk about, but then when you look at how valuable it is or how accurate it is, naturally it's never going to feel that way.

    21. CN

      Yeah.

    22. JS

      It's the same as a broad personality test that divides you into-

    23. CN

      Yeah

    24. JS

      ... four core personality types.

    25. CN

      Yeah.

    26. JS

      It's like, of course we're far more complex and layered than that.

    27. CN

      Yeah.

    28. JS

      And we all believe that, especially as we get older. Can you explain ... You've been referencing birth chart and chart.

    29. CN

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    30. JS

      Can you explain what that birth chart is? I imagine it's when you're born, as you were saying, where everything lands in the sky, but can you explain how someone can read that chart? What does that mean to read someone's birth chart?

  6. 11:3414:52

    How to Read and Understand a Birth Chart

    1. CN

      Yeah. So it's a snapshot of the sky the moment that you were born from the exact location and time that you were born. And everything in it is in relationship to each other. So you're actually describing all of the relationships that make up your life. And-It is ... You know, you can look at it through the lens of your personality, which is one thing. I think it can be quite reductive when we do that. But what, like, ancient or traditional astrology is more about is looking at the quality of each area of your life. Like, where can someone expect to have success? Where can someone expect to have maybe some difficulty? What are the things that are, like, working for them, and what are the things that are gonna be a challenge, and therefore a growth edge, and therefore an opportunity to develop themselves? And so you can glean somebody's, like, nature from it, but it's really about, like ... You know, if someone's struggling to find love in their life, and you look at their chart, and you see, like, "Oh, yeah, I can understand why that's a struggle," it doesn't mean that they're gonna be in a struggle forever. It means that they're ... The chart is gonna distinguish what the thing is, and therefore, once we know what the issue is, we can work more clearly or more definitively towards the solution for that thing. And so it can be a really great aid in terms of, like, what's, what is the pain that you're carrying? Like, what are the things that you're burdened with in this life? Your chart will reveal that. And that can also be a real solace, 'cause it can feel sometimes like we have this thing that's, like, against us in life. Like, why do- why won't this thing work out for me, or why doesn't this ever kind of take shape for me? And when you can see it in the chart, you can be like, "Oh, okay, that's just a, a setup, but there's other ways to work with that thing. But I have to know what the issue is first." And so I think that astrology helps us to identify ... If you have somebody, you know, adept looking at your chart, or if you have, you know, good education around, like, what it actually is, then we can use the chart to really open up those doors for us. Because without knowing what the issue is, it's really hard to try to meet it.

    2. JS

      Yeah.

    3. CN

      So you can do that through therapy. You can do that through a lot of different avenues. Again, astrology-

    4. JS

      Yeah

    5. CN

      ... is one of them.

    6. JS

      How much of, how much of this is ... Is it so important? You just said that the practitioner needs to be adept.

    7. CN

      Yeah.

    8. JS

      And it almost feels like to me that the recipient needs to be adept as well.

    9. CN

      Yes. [laughs]

    10. JS

      And [laughs] what I, what I, what I mean by that, what I mean by that is, like, I- I've always looked at ... So I never studied this, but as part of my teachings in the monastery-

    11. CN

      Mm-hmm

    12. JS

      ... we had people who practiced Vedic astrology-

    13. CN

      Mm-hmm

    14. JS

      ... which is thousands and thousands of years-

    15. CN

      Yeah

    16. JS

      ... years old. People had incredible experiences of, uh, using ... There's places in India where they use leaves, and there's writings on leaves. There's charts with literally, like, strings attached. I mean, it's, it's spectacular-

    17. CN

      Yeah

    18. JS

      ... the, the culture and the history of it. But what I found was that, for example, if I

  7. 14:5219:04

    Why “Bad Astrology” Isn’t Real

    1. JS

      know it's going to rain tomorrow, and there's an adept weather forecast with ... By the way, I don't know who does good weather forecasts anymore anyway.

    2. CN

      [laughs]

    3. JS

      But let's say it's gonna rain tomorrow.

    4. CN

      Yeah.

    5. JS

      As an adept person who's looking at that forecast, I know tomorrow I better take my umbrella, my b- uh, uh, boots that I'm happy to get wet in the rain, and a raincoat.

    6. CN

      Yeah.

    7. JS

      And so it requires me to adapt to the information.

    8. CN

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    9. JS

      Whereas often what I've found today is when people feel like they're going through a bad phase-

    10. CN

      Mm

    11. JS

      ... or there's something not working for them, it's kinda like, "Well, I can't do anything right now 'cause I'm going through a bad phase."

    12. CN

      Yeah.

    13. JS

      And that's like me saying, "Well, I can't have fun tomorrow 'cause it's gonna rain."

    14. CN

      Yeah.

    15. JS

      So talk to me about that. And I, and if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. I'm just sharing it from what I've heard and seen.

    16. CN

      Yeah. Yeah. It is the human problem. [laughs] It is the human condition, I think, to try to reduce things down to something that's simple enough to either blame life on or to try to, like, figure out really quickly. And we also try to, I think, have one answer for everything. So you know, I mean, I get why it's so annoying, 'cause everyone'll be like, "Ugh, Mercury retrograde," and you're like, "No, that's not what it's about." [laughs]

    17. JS

      I'm gonna get to ... I'm gonna ask you about that in a bit.

    18. CN

      That's not ... You can't do that. Like, you can't blame every- Or I hear people say, "Well, you know, I'm a Scorpio," and I'm like, "That has nothing do with being a Scorpio." [laughs] Like, I, I get the desire to do that, but that's not ... You're using a hammer to do everything, and you need a feather sometimes, and, like, you need different tools. So yeah, it's, um ... It is a ... It, it's a, it's an interesting thing, because when we're going into a time period that looks really complex astrologically, you wanna hold it with like, "Okay, this looks like it's gonna challenge us. It looks like it's gonna require a lot of mindfulness from us, and it looks like it's gonna require a lot of tenacity, and it looks like it's gonna require more from us than general times. Great. So now we know that, so show up." How can I help people show up to that moment, not reducing it down to, "Everything's gonna be awful," or, "This is why this is happening"? Because if we lived in a world where compassion and, you know, thoughtfulness, and community, and people's health and wellbeing were front and center, then bad astrology wouldn't be that bad. It's not the astrology that's making things bad. [laughs] It's revealing, or it's, it's giving you a kind of understanding of, of, again, certain cycles and timings of things. And so if we can see, like, well, what happened the last time this cycle happened and what, what worked, then we can use it as something that's empowering. If astrology isn't empo- empowering, I don't think you should use it.

    19. JS

      Mm.

    20. CN

      If you feel like astrology is reducing you to something or freaking you out or making you paranoid, I don't think it's working. I think you should put it down and not pick it up again-

    21. JS

      Mm

    22. CN

      ... until that passes, or maybe for the rest of your life. Like, it shouldHelp you to feel like you're more located and you're better prepared. Like, it's... I love the rain. So if it's gonna rain tomorrow, great. Maybe I can, like, have, you know, a moody day where I drink tea and write in my journal. [laughs] That's my fantasy. I have a child, so I can't do that. [laughs]

    23. JS

      [laughs] I love that. No.

    24. CN

      I remember days like that. [laughs]

    25. JS

      I love that. No. Uh, what's the difference between your sun, your moon, and your rising? Because you hear people use this language all the time.

    26. CN

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    27. JS

      What's the difference? What does it mean?

    28. CN

      Yeah. Well, your rising sign is the marker of your life. It is the marker of your yes to life. So it's the marker of your motivation. It is what you're motivated to do here in the world, and it is your yes. It's like, "Okay, I'm here. I'm born." Your sun is how you shine. It's, like, part of how you illuminate, how your soul illuminates things. It's, like, what lights you up. And your moon is your body. Your moon is the physical world. If you think of the moon as the reflector of the sun's light, the moon in our chart reflects the light of our

  8. 19:0420:16

    What Does Your Sun, Moon, and Rising Actually Mean?

    1. CN

      soul, the light of our sun, and we can only have this incarnation through the body. And so it, it's the holder, the keeper of memory. It is about the physical world and the physical realm, and how sacred it is to have a body, to have incarnated into. And we get to do our life purpose through our body a little bit every day. Come the tiredness and the joy and all the things, but the body keeps the score of all of that, so to speak.

    2. JS

      So when you're reading someone's birth chart-

    3. CN

      Yeah

    4. JS

      ... you're seeing all of these. Could you give examples of what would fit into each one for anyone that you've read before? Randomly, obviously, you know.

    5. CN

      Yeah, yeah. Um, well, like when someone has a Leo rising, then they're motivated to show up and really shine in the world. They're motivated to illuminate something, to be charming, to be adorable, to be, like, a recipient of people's adoration or attention. But what it also does, the rising sign gives you a key to the meaning of your life because it, the planet that rules that sign is the planet that steers the ship of your life. And so if

  9. 20:1625:30

    Living in Alignment With Your Chart

    1. CN

      you feel lost, if you feel like you're not sure what your purpose is, one of the quickest ways to understand it astrologically is to understand where the planet that rules your rising sign is. And so if your, the ruler of your rising sign is in your 10th house of career, then that's, it's gonna be a major part. If it's in your sixth house of service, then maybe your, your volunteering is gonna be... You know, it's like where are the planets located and what job are they doing?

    2. JS

      Mm.

    3. CN

      The planet that rules your ascendant is literally at the helm of the ship of your life. And so quite often when I give people readings, and over the years I've given mostly strangers readings, and, you know, back before Zoom, before the pandemic, when we were all on Skype, I wouldn't even see the people. I mean, I guess we could have cameras, but mostly it was like, I was almost, like, on the phone with people, and, like, all over the world. And so I d- didn't know them. I had never seen them. "I don't know anything about you. I'm just gonna read your chart." I'd start there, and 99% of the time people would be so relieved to hear that that's what that was because quite often they hadn't been fully living into it, or it was just so innate that that's always what they did, and they're like, "Oh, that's... [laughs] Yes, that is that thing."

    4. JS

      Yeah.

    5. CN

      "That's what I've always been known for." And so when you're not living in accordance with these, these kind of, like, signs, to me, in your chart, if you're not living in accordance with your purpose, then everything is gonna feel wrong and everything's gonna feel misaligned. Like, for myself, I never thought I would write a book. It's not anything I would ever think of, but nothing in my life was working, and I felt so stuck, and I felt so... I felt like such a failure. I felt like I couldn't figure out my place in the world. And I started writing, and people started reading it, and it started to take off, and I was like, "What is this? This is wild." And it wasn't until I started working with my teacher, the person who would, like, really teach me about the lineage that I practice in, that I understood how important it was to follow that mark in my chart because the ruler of my ascendant is in the third house of writing and speaking and teaching. But that's nothing I had put together before. Like, you can look at your, you know, own chart. You can look at yourself in the mirror. You can read your... You know, you can look at yourself all the time and not get it. The beauty of having a therapist or a guide or a coach or an astrologer, somebody that's got some wisdom, is that they hold that third space for you so that you can have that kind of self-reflection. So coming to know that, like, that natural inkling in me was there in my chart gave me the permission to just fully do it.

    6. JS

      Yeah.

    7. CN

      And then everything started to work, like, overnight. I... People started to pass my stuff around. I met my wife within six months. I mean, like, things just blew up, and it was because of that. I remember the moment where she was like, "Well, the ruler of your ascendant's in the third house." And I was like, "Oh." And it all just clicked. And I'd always wanted to write, but I never thought I was smart enough. I didn't think I was educated enough. I didn't think I was able to do it. And it's literally one of the things that changed my entire life, and it's right there plain as day in my chart, and I didn't see it [laughs] for, like, 20 years. [laughs]

    8. JS

      Wow.

    9. CN

      'Cause I started looking at astrology and understanding my chart at, like, age 12.

    10. JS

      Wow.

    11. CN

      So, but I didn't really-

    12. JS

      What did you miss here?

    13. CN

      I didn't really know what I was looking... because I didn't have traditional astrology.

    14. JS

      Right, right, right.

    15. CN

      So and, you know, when you meet your teacher-Also everything really starts to come into practice-

    16. JS

      Yeah

    17. CN

      ... and into place. And so when I met my astrology teacher and she taught me this really ancient, traditional way of doing astrology, it just landed everything, and it was like this whole rubric that was so clear and so concise and so specific. And so not about my intuition or not about, you know, what I felt about the chart or anything like that. Not about like, "Oh, I knew this Scorpio once, and they did this."

    18. JS

      [laughs]

    19. CN

      It's like really like, "No, if this is here, this means this."

    20. JS

      Yeah.

    21. CN

      "Do this and see what happens."

    22. JS

      So, so you're actually saying that astrology is guiding us. When you say purpose-

    23. CN

      Mm-hmm

    24. JS

      ... but really you're talking about activity, task, methodology. Like you said, writing, speaking, teaching.

    25. CN

      Yeah.

    26. JS

      Those are very occupational in that they are an activity that someone can take out.

    27. CN

      Yeah.

    28. JS

      So you're saying that astrology... Am I right in saying that you're saying astrology shares your purpose, and it defines purpose as activity of greatness?

    29. CN

      Yes, and it can get more complex than that. So say if the ruler of your ascendant's in your eighth house, the eighth house is a place of loss and grief and mental anguish.

  10. 25:3027:34

    When Your Chart Shows the Areas You Struggle Most

    1. CN

      It's also a place of inheritance and other people's money, and there's a lot of things connected to it. And so when you see somebody's... You know, when you see a significant placement in a part of the chart that's really difficult, you have to wonder if they've got there yet. But often when I see really significant placements in difficult houses in the chart, I'll ask, like, are you a, are you a grief doula? Are you someone who does trauma-informed counseling?

    2. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. CN

      Are you... You know, do you feel really receptive to other people's pain and suffering?

    4. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    5. CN

      And so it's not as clear someti- Like sometimes it is. Like you could go and study and be, you know, a, a someone who does hospice work or something like that, if that called to you. But sometimes it's a little bit, uh, less specific. But it's very important still for that person to be able to move towards that area of life and know that the inklings that they have towards that area of life are very much embedded in their life's purpose. And I've just seen time and time again, once they, once you take that action towards that, that things just start to-

    6. JS

      Right

    7. CN

      ... open up and fall into place. And then you find your way to do that signature in your chart.

    8. JS

      Can your astrology tell you whether you're gonna be a millionaire or a billionaire?

    9. CN

      [laughs] Well, there's a famous quote attributed to JP Morgan that says, "Millionaires don't use astrology, but billionaires do." And it's not clear if he actually ever said that. But he worked with an astrologer, Evangeline Adams, for a very long time, and he was actually, like, a student of hers. He got readings from her, and she taught him. And so he used astrology to do his banking. So I think that there are definitely signatures that can tell you when somebody is really adept at working with the material world.

    10. JS

      Mm.

    11. CN

      Mm-hmm. And whether they engage with that

  11. 27:3429:12

    Can Astrology Reveal Future Wealth?

    1. CN

      or not is also their choice.

    2. JS

      Mm.

    3. CN

      I see a lot of people that have a lot of talents in their chart, in their life, and they don't necessarily engage with it. You also have to have the friction.

    4. JS

      Mm.

    5. CN

      You also have to have the thing that spurs you into action to make use of the gifts that you've got.

    6. JS

      But your astrology doesn't tell you whether you have that part?

    7. CN

      Yeah, it does.

    8. JS

      It does.

    9. CN

      Yeah.

    10. JS

      So, so your astrology could literally say you have talent, but you have no spark.

    11. CN

      [laughs] Well, I wouldn't say that to somebody.

    12. JS

      Right, yeah.

    13. CN

      I would say if someone has a really, like, easy setup, I would say the most important thing for you to do is to embrace the struggles in your life.

    14. JS

      Mm.

    15. CN

      Is to, like, really lean into what is gonna challenge you and who is gonna challenge you and what's gonna help you to struggle to find your own way.

    16. JS

      Mm.

    17. CN

      And don't lean on the things that are necessarily so easy.

    18. JS

      It's fascinating, 'cause I can think of so many people in my life who-

    19. CN

      Right?

    20. JS

      Yeah. And it's interesting that astrology also, I assume by what you just said right now-

    21. CN

      Mm

    22. JS

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  12. 29:1232:42

    Asking Yourself What You Truly Want

    1. JS

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    2. CN

      Yeah

    3. JS

      ... they're just speaking in self-awareness.

    4. CN

      Yeah.

    5. JS

      And they're saying, "Jay, this is just who I am." They're like, "Jay, you're ambitious. You're driven."

    6. CN

      Yeah.

    7. JS

      You know, I'm not.

    8. CN

      Yeah.

    9. JS

      And so, you know, this is just my life. And I'm like, "Well, I don't know if I was always ambitious or driven. I feel like there were skills I learned and habits I developed, and there were coaches and mentors in my life who taught me certain things." And you can build confidence, and you can build skill sets that allow you to live a better life. And I don't just mean materially-

    10. CN

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

    11. JS

      ... I mean spiritually as well.

    12. CN

      Yeah.

    13. JS

      And they'll be like, "No, no, no. But, you know, some of us are wired like you, and some of us are not." So-Is that true? Is that-

    14. CN

      I mean, there's ... I think there's some truth to that.

    15. JS

      Okay. To- yeah.

    16. CN

      But I think you can choose to not s- rest there, right? Like, it's do y- what do you want from this life? It's really about that. Like, are those people happy? Or are they suffering-

    17. JS

      Generally not.

    18. CN

      Right. [laughs] But are they interested in their suffering enough to do something to change it? And so what I'll look for is, is time periods that will come along and kinda put the pressure on-

    19. JS

      Mm

    20. CN

      ... and be like, "This ... You're gonna ... If you haven't done your work, if you haven't individuated, if you haven't really tried to build something in yourself of your own efforts, then this period of time is gonna really be rough."

    21. JS

      Mm.

    22. CN

      But that's good for you. [laughs] Like-

    23. JS

      Yeah, yeah, yeah

    24. CN

      ... you know? Like, Saturn will come along as a planet of boundaries and structure, and it will come along and hold you in place until you figure out h- how to either m- find another way to move or to, like, lift the weight that's on you enough times until you get strong enough to move it completely.

    25. JS

      Mm.

    26. CN

      And Saturn's a, a planet that you can also look at in terms of your life cycles. So Sa- Saturn comes along every seven years and does something really important. So at age seven, it comes along and helps you to distinguish yourself a little bit from your parents, helps you to find, like, your own s- And then at age 14, age 14's usually, it's ... That's called a Saturn opposition, and it's usually a time where something happens in our life. And, you know, we're 14, so it kind of makes sense psychologically speaking. But something happens where we're like, "Wait a minute. This is what I want. This is what you want. These are the expectations you have on me. This is what ... " And then at 21 we have another one, and it's part of the adult cycle. And then from 28 to 30, Saturn closes the loop and we go through something called a Saturn return, and that's where we move through our first really big threshold, where we move from whatever remnants of being a child or whatever remnants of being a young adult kind of, like, have to trickle away, and we're asked to move and cross a threshold into our true adulthood and to take responsibility for our decisions and our actions. And so if you

  13. 32:4236:06

    What’s the Difference Between Fate and Free Will?

    1. CN

      miss that, if you're like, "Nah," it's gonna be harder and harder, and you'll have ... Like, in the next seven years, you'll have another moment of struggle. And so that, like, saying the seven-year itch is interesting 'cause it is, like, a Saturn cycle.

    2. JS

      Yeah. And even in marriage, right? Like-

    3. CN

      Yeah

    4. JS

      ... most divorces happen at five to seven years.

    5. CN

      Oh.

    6. JS

      Yeah.

    7. CN

      That's interesting.

    8. JS

      Yeah.

    9. CN

      Yeah. It's that friction point.

    10. JS

      Mm.

    11. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JS

      Fascinating. Okay. Well, you write in your book that our chart isn't our fate, it's an invitation. And I think this idea of fate and free will, and you mentioned it earlier, but what does astrology believe about fate and free will? Do we have agency, or is everything predetermined?

    13. CN

      You and I right now are in this city. We're not in a city ... We're not in France. We're here. And so there's certain conditions here. We can't do everything here. But we can do all the things in, in this city that we can do. And so it's the same with your chart. It's like you're given a landscape. What do you wanna do with that? How do you want to approach it?

    14. JS

      Yeah.

    15. CN

      And how do you wanna work with these really specific skills and this really specific setup?

    16. JS

      Yeah. It's almost like I was born in London-

    17. CN

      Yeah

    18. JS

      ... you were born in Canada.

    19. CN

      Yeah.

    20. JS

      And that created a certain environment-

    21. CN

      Yeah

    22. JS

      ... of what was available-

    23. CN

      Yeah

    24. JS

      ... what I was aware of-

    25. CN

      Yeah

    26. JS

      ... what was possible.

    27. CN

      Yeah.

    28. JS

      But somehow I've ended up in LA.

    29. CN

      Right.

    30. JS

      You lived in LA and you live in New York now.

  14. 36:0638:41

    What Astrology Shows About Your Relationships

    1. CN

      and I look and see I'm in a challenging aspect, then I can be like, "Oh, okay." Then it's not just out of the ... It doesn't feel random, I think-

    2. JS

      Mm

    3. CN

      ... for some people.

    4. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    5. CN

      And so that's the other side of, like, "Mercury's retrograde, so nothing's gonna work out." [laughs]

    6. JS

      Yeah.

    7. CN

      We don't wanna do that, but we do wanna use it and be like, "Oh, okay. It's just a time period. It's just a cycle that we're in-"

    8. JS

      Yeah

    9. CN

      ... that I'm in."

    10. JS

      Does your astrology tell you who you're gonna fall in love with?

    11. CN

      No. It tells you, though, what you need out of a relationship.

    12. JS

      Interesting.

    13. CN

      So it tells you the quality and the nature of the person that you need. So for me, also, I didn't realize this until after I had met my wife, but I really need somebody to, like, work with me. I need someone to be like ri- I need someone to partner with me in every single way possible. And when we met, she just did that instantly. And I was working with my teacher at that point, and she pointed that signature in my chart out to me, and I was like, "Oh my God, that's what she does." Like, me and my wife met, and I didn't even know how to put a PayPal button on my website, like, on my blog, and she put it on there in, like, two seconds. And I was just like, "Wow, you're a magician." [laughs]

    14. JS

      [laughs]

    15. CN

      And we just became business partners, like, immediately. And so then we grew this business together, and then we created an app and, you know, the, the rest is kind of history. But she was an immediate partner for me, and that is a very specifically, uh, accurate, you know, like, read of my chart. So you, you can see, like, what kind of qualities and what kind of nature you need from somebody.

    16. JS

      Does it predict when you're gonna fall in love?

    17. CN

      I mean, I'm sure those Vedic astrologers at the ashram would say yes. There's certainly definitely timing techniques. There's, like, ancient timing techniques for everything. I think that, um, they're correct. They don't necessarily ... I don't know if they'll always say, like, how long it will last. Some astrologers are excellent at doing that. But I think that what's more important is understanding yourself, understanding the qualities that you need in a partner, and finding that energetic match with somebody else before you really even touch the astrology. I don't know. I, I think I'm not as interested in finding out when something's gonna happen in my life as I am in understanding who I am-

    18. JS

      Couldn't agree with you more. Yeah

    19. CN

      ... and what I've got to give this moment,

  15. 38:4147:13

    Choosing the Best Timing for Big Decisions

    1. CN

      and, like, what's possible here. Like, what, what could I ... what could I do with what I have? Because I think that our agency is the greatest power that we have. And so I, again, I never want the astrology to get in the way of you understanding your agency.

    2. JS

      Yeah.

    3. CN

      So those predictions can be right, but I don't know if they're helpful to know.

    4. JS

      Yeah. It see- I, I imagine, though, that that's the kind of questions people ask you. Because when I, when I talk to my friends who-

    5. CN

      Yeah

    6. JS

      ... go to astrologers, it's constantly to figure out, like, when am I gonna meet the guy, or, you know, when, when should I ... you know, when should I think about selling my company? Or-

    7. CN

      Yeah

    8. JS

      ... when should I start my company, or ... Those are the questions that I'm hearing that they're asking-

    9. CN

      Yeah

    10. JS

      ... and then they tell me what their astrologer said.

    11. CN

      Yeah.

    12. JS

      And sometimes people will be as specific as, "You should marry someone whose name begins with R, and you'll probably meet them in the next six months."

    13. CN

      Yeah.

    14. JS

      Or, or they'll get an answer that's like, "Well, you're not gonna find someone for two years."

    15. CN

      Yeah.

    16. JS

      And, and so what do you make ... You're saying that that could be accurate, but you're saying that's actually a, not the best use of astrology almost.

    17. CN

      Well, that's, that's up to you.

    18. JS

      Right.

    19. CN

      Right? It's like, what do you wanna use it for? I don't use it for that because I don't think that's helpful for the people I work with.

    20. JS

      Right.

    21. CN

      I think that picking a time to launch your business-

    22. JS

      Yeah

    23. CN

      ... is great. If you, like, give me a timeframe. If you're like, "I wanna launch it in the next three months," I'll give you the best day and time within the next three months to launch it.

    24. JS

      Talk to me about that. So how is that calculated, and why is that important?

    25. CN

      You just look for the best signature within the timeframe you're given.

    26. JS

      And what is-

    27. CN

      You don't have, like, forever. You just have, like, the timeframe. So if people wanna get married, I'm like, "Well, what's the best day in August to get married?" And then I have to look at a time that's, like, reasonable to get married. [laughs] Like, I'm not gonna say 4:00 in the morning. I'm gonna say ... I'm gonna look for, like, an evening period or an afternoon period, and then look to see ... I want the conditions of the planets associated with the event to be good. So if a wedding, I want Venus to be good. And if Venus is really not in a great situation the month you wanna get married, then I'll look for something else. Like, I'll ask you, like, is it really ... Do we have to do August? [laughs] Could we do July, or is that totally out of the question?

    28. JS

      Yeah.

    29. CN

      And if it's out of the question, then it is. You just ... You have to live your life.

    30. JS

      And how does that impact the quality of a marriage or a business?

  16. 47:1352:46

    Staying Grounded in What You Feel

    1. JS

      on people we've dated, family, experiences. So to go back to that and expand my compassion, it's like, well, actually, the question we're asking is based on this deep feeling of just not being loved.

    2. CN

      Yeah.

    3. JS

      And therefore we're not ... We're not really asking, will I find love in three months? We don't really care about that.

    4. CN

      Yeah.

    5. JS

      But we're just like, will I ever find love is really-

    6. CN

      Yeah

    7. JS

      ... the question I'm asking.

    8. CN

      Yeah.

    9. JS

      And I would like to have, have it to happen tomorrow-

    10. CN

      Yeah

    11. JS

      ... 'cause that would make my life better.

    12. CN

      I think it will.

    13. JS

      How, how would you ... Yeah, so how would you guide someone who is going through that experience that I just mentioned to you when you're reading their charts? And of course their chart is gonna say what it's gonna say.

    14. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JS

      Which we, you know, you can help me hypothetically, but-

    16. CN

      Yeah

    17. JS

      ... what, what happens? What, what are you guiding them?

    18. CN

      If someone comes and they're really-

    19. JS

      They're just like, "Look, I got broken"-

    20. CN

      Is that like they're trying to make something happen?

    21. JS

      Yeah, so like, "I got broken up with-

    22. CN

      Yeah

    23. JS

      ... two years ago."

    24. CN

      Yeah.

    25. JS

      "I am still getting over it. I've been dating this guy. I don't know if he's into me. I can't even tell. But I just really wanna settle down. Like, I just wanna fall in love and get married and have kids and have a great life. And I'm a good person, and I've got my career sorted, and that seems to be going well. But-"

    26. CN

      Like every straight woman out there. [laughs]

    27. JS

      Totally. Totally. And I have a lot of friends who are in that position right now.

    28. CN

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    29. JS

      And they're coming to me, so I'm asking you.

    30. CN

      It's rough out there. [laughs]

  17. 52:4654:27

    If You’re Not Ready, Focus on Inner Work First

    1. CN

      I've lost." [laughs] "I'm too old now," or, you know, all the things that, that come with being out of sync in those kinds of ways. So we each have our own journey. We don't know why it is. And yes, the chart will speak to it. But I first and for- foremost wanna hold you as a human and acknowledge what you're struggling with.

    2. JS

      Mm.

    3. CN

      And then that's a real struggle, and those are real fears.

    4. JS

      Can people miss the love of their life, success, that moment because they weren't prepared at the right time?

    5. CN

      Ooh, gosh. That's... [laughs] I, I think that for me, I have certainly done things to delay my own success and my own arrival. I have burned bridges. I have done things in the past that I look back on and I'm like, "Oh my God." But I was so full of insecurity. I felt so unlovable. I felt so all the things, that I didn't know how else to act. I was coming with my best, and it wasn't meeting the situation. So in one way it's like, well, I wasn't ready for it, and I had to learn and grow and, you know, really, like, kinda wrestle with life and learn. And so I wasn't quite ready for it. But I don't know if you can miss it.

    6. JS

      Mm.

    7. CN

      I don't know. I think, I feel like that's kinda fatalistic.

    8. JS

      Mm.

    9. CN

      I f- I just feel like when you... That you w- you won't catch the other relationships maybe, or

  18. 54:2757:45

    Noticing the People Who Changed Your Life for the Better

    1. CN

      the other job opportunities. Like, you will lose some stuff if you don't know how to show up for it.

    2. JS

      Mm.

    3. CN

      But it doesn't mean that it won't come back in-

    4. JS

      Right

    5. CN

      ... a different iteration.

    6. JS

      It doesn't mean it will never exist.

    7. CN

      Yeah.

    8. JS

      It just means it could be delayed.

    9. CN

      Yeah.

    10. JS

      And-

    11. CN

      And then you gotta wait for the next bus to come. [laughs]

    12. JS

      Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right.

    13. CN

      And then you gotta, like, figure out what you're doing with yourself. Are you gonna read a book? Are you gonna waste your time on TikTok? I don't know.

    14. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

    15. CN

      Like, what are you gonna do in the in between?

    16. JS

      Yeah. Does astrology believe in the idea of the one? That there's one perfect person for you, or that there are many people who it could work with?

    17. CN

      I don't think it ... It doesn't have that kind of judgment. It looks at the chart. Like, you can see when someone will have multiple significant partnerships. You can see when people have multiple children. You can see ... Like, there's are, there are ways of seeing those things. And then there's ... You know, it's really important for us to understand, like, how, how we work, right? So, like, if I understand how I work, then every relationship I'm showing up to is gonna have a greater potential for me to learn from. And so the one ... I don't know. Like, every- everyone that I'm in a relationship with is so important to my life and my understanding. Like, every single friend, everyone in my company. Everyone teaches me so much 'cause I'm always learning about how I'm dealing with another human being given the conditions [laughs] I'm dealing with them in. So I think everyone is the one that we're ... If we're in a relationship and we're in contact, like, that's it. And then there are these people ... Like, no one else in my life made me feel seen the way my wife did, ever. No one got me. I don't trust anyone like I trust her. Like, her talent, her, her instincts, her intuition, her knowledge, her wisdom is, for me, just unparalleled. So the synergy between us when we met was just undeniable. There was too many things that happened that were like, "That was ... How did you know that I was gonna say that?" Or, "How did you pull that book out? I was gonna give it to you." You know, there was just so many things that occurred that I was like, "This is bigger than the two of us. This is something else. This is a third thing."

    18. JS

      Mm.

    19. CN

      And that is so unique and so special that you might call that the one, and that's fine if that's the language. I just think it's really important to recognize when those things occur. There are some people that come into your life, and they just change the entire trajectory of it. I've had teachers like that, and I've had, you know, this relationship that has been like that.

    20. JS

      Mm.

    21. CN

      And everybody else was really helpful [laughs] .

    22. JS

      [laughs]

    23. CN

      You know, like, I did great. It was g- ... You know, I did ... It was fine.

    24. JS

      Yeah.

    25. CN

      But this is a distinct category in and of itself, I think, when ... And that's my calling.

    26. JS

      Yeah.

    27. CN

      Like, that's my life story.

    28. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

    29. CN

      I know people that don't have that story. They have a different story. And so some people's one is their career or their art.

    30. JS

      Mm.

  19. 57:451:03:52

    Inspiring Others Through Your Own Growth

    1. CN

      ... I want us to live in, like, a village full of really distinct, different humans that do life in all kinds of different ways so that we can share childcare and [laughs]

    2. JS

      [laughs] I love that. [laughs]

    3. CN

      Not everyone should have children.

    4. JS

      Yeah.

    5. CN

      Not everyone should get married.

    6. JS

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    7. CN

      You know? Like, some of us should live on the outskirts. Some of us should live in the center. Like, some of us are cooking for everybody. Some of us are teaching. Some of us are-

    8. JS

      Will your astrology tell you that's better for you?

    9. CN

      Yes.

    10. JS

      Like, does astrology, does astrology predetermine whether you're gonna have kids or not?

    11. CN

      Uh-

    12. JS

      Like, how many kids you'll have.

    13. CN

      I've had a Vedic astrologer tell me that I wasn't gonna have kids, and I do.

    14. JS

      How do you ... How ... So how do you reconcile that, someone who practices, who believes in-

    15. CN

      I understand why he said that, and yet it's not true. So it's like-

    16. JS

      Why did he say it? What?

    17. CN

      It's a certain condition in my chart, and it's, like, not great for having kids. And you could ... I mean, I'm queer, so the way we had a kid is different than how heterosexuals have kids. So if he was trying to look at my chart through a heterosexual lens, then yes, he's right. But-

    18. JS

      Interesting. Yeah.

    19. CN

      You know? So it's really about the astrologer and where they're coming from. I've had an astrologer look at my chart and be like, "I don't know how you're ever gonna find love. Like, basically you're doomed." [laughs]

    20. JS

      But how does that ... So how is ... So how do you reconcile that?

    21. CN

      I was like, "That's a really awful thing to say to somebody. That's not helpful. Even if you think that's true and you think you're right, I don't know how that's ever gonna help me."

    22. JS

      Yeah.

    23. CN

      So as an astrologer or a coach or a therapist, even if my person in front of me takes it all with a grain of salt, I have a tremendous responsibility to be very encouraging of somebody's best to come forth. I don't need to make them feel doomed.

    24. JS

      Yeah.

    25. CN

      That's ... Everybody already does feel doomed.

    26. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

    27. CN

      Like, we already go there. So what can I do to help fortify that person? To help them find their power, their creativity, their special thing in this life, and to move from that place?

    28. JS

      Mm.

    29. CN

      Um, I don't need to make you feel like you've got a lack of anything.

    30. JS

      Yeah.

  20. 1:03:521:10:51

    What is Your Saturn Return?

    1. CN

      well. And I think that, you know, we're humans, and so you have to take that into account, that when you're going to another human for advice or for their expertise, you're gonna have your own relationship with them. You're gonna walk into the room, and they're gonna have a reaction to you. [laughs]

    2. JS

      Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

    3. CN

      And it's up to them whether they deal with that in a-

    4. JS

      Yeah

    5. CN

      ... productive way or not.

    6. JS

      Yeah.

    7. CN

      Yeah.

    8. JS

      So many people talk about Saturn return.

    9. CN

      Yeah.

    10. JS

      What is it actually?

    11. CN

      It's when Saturn comes back to the same place it was when you were born. And because Saturn is the planet that to the naked eye is the last planet in the, in our little solar system, it was thought as such a big moment because every 28 years you go through this closing of a loop. So between the age of 27-ish, 28, 27, to 30, you go through this kind of closing of a door, and a threshold experience into a new stage of life. Saturn is the planet of responsibility and of adulthood. And it's also the planet that's of mortality. It's like, "Hey, I'm the time lord." Like, you don't have all the time in the world. So at 30, you should be going through some kinda crisis, some kinda like, "Oh, [laughs] I guess I'm gonna get old too." And you should also be doing things that require everything from you. Saturn is a planet of discipline and hard work. And so this is the time to put your money where your mouth is, to like, be in the game fully, and to, again, own your choice, and to say, "I chose to do this." And it's also a planet of separation. So in some way, shape, or form, we usually separate from our family of origin. Maybe that's psychologically, maybe it's physically, maybe we get married, maybe, you know, some kind of big life transition happens at that time that distinguishes us from our family of origin. Not that we're not still part of it, and we could still be living at home even, and well, and, you know, for the rest of our lives. But there's something here that's like, I have to build a s- really solid foundation in the world that is mine, that is apart from the thing that I come from, or apart from the convenience or the comfort-

    12. JS

      Mm-hmm

    13. CN

      ... of the people that ... You know, hopefully you have people that love you, and you can really, can fall back on them. But you need to understand that you can go out there and do something for yourself, or that you can separate in the ways that you need to separate, psychologically, emotionally, sometimes physically, sometimes monetarily.

    14. JS

      So that's not a negative thing at all.

    15. CN

      No, that's really good.

    16. JS

      But then why do we talk about it in such a-

    17. CN

      Because the internet. [laughs] Because people are like, "Oh, my Saturn return was awful."

    18. JS

      Yeah.

    19. CN

      And then they blame everything on the Saturn return. But a Saturn return should be a time of, of a kind of like, again, discipline, awareness, strictness almost. Like, severity sometimes. But also, like, so much joy.

    20. JS

      Yeah.

    21. CN

      Like, in my Saturn return, I moved to LA.

    22. JS

      Yeah.

    23. CN

      And I was ... I didn't know anybody here. I didn't have any money. I didn't have any contacts. I didn't have anything. And I was-Like elated

    24. JS

      Mm.

    25. CN

      I really did walk out of my life. I was living in Toronto, and I, I left, and I started this whole new chapter here, and it was on my own terms, and I had to really prove myself to myself-

    26. JS

      Yeah

    27. CN

      ... that I could do this. And there were days where I didn't have anybody to call, and there were financial struggles, and I didn't have a car. And like, it was a whole thing, but I did it. And that, no one could ever take that away from me.

    28. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

    29. CN

      And as much as I believe in community and I believe that we shouldn't live in an individualistic kind of culture, we have to do those things that help us understand what we're made of-

    30. JS

      Yeah

  21. 1:10:511:14:19

    Why You Don’t Need to Fear Your Saturn Return

    1. CN

      discipline, [laughs] and some of us really have a hard time with it. You know, there are signatures in the chart, I have, I have some friends like this, that they're just so good at having fun.

    2. JS

      Yeah.

    3. CN

      And so it's hard to, like, gather them and to, like, help them to focus.

    4. JS

      Mm.

    5. CN

      Because part of the signature of their life is to, like, enjoy things.

    6. JS

      Mm.

    7. CN

      And then you have to kinda, like, work against that somewhat.

    8. JS

      Yeah. So if someone's about to enter their Saturn return-

    9. CN

      Yeah

    10. JS

      ... what would you recommend they do?

    11. CN

      Do the things that are hard, that are gonna, that are going to require everything from you, that are going to be worthwhile in the long run. Like, what is gonna be satisfying to you seven years from now? Do not think about instant gratification. Do not ... This is not a social media game. Like, this is about if you only had seven years left, what would you do? Like, what do you wanna make sure you've left here? And what would move you deeper into your integrity so that you were proud of even having attempted it? And if it's not that serious, then it's not really either part of your Saturn return, or it's not gonna last for that long. And so if you ... It's ... A lot of times people will get to that age, and you'll start to see their life crack because they've spent their 20s in an industry that maybe wasn't the industry of their dreams or that took everything from them, and they realized it's not really their calling. And so they've been locked in this maybe, like, corporate thing, or they've been locked in this other, you know, relationship. And you start to feel the cracks show-

    12. JS

      Mm-hmm

    13. CN

      ... at around 28, 29, 30. And so this is your chance. This is like a portal of time. I mean, any day is your chance, but this is a time where the pressure and the gravity of what doesn't feel good in your life will become really acute. So if you're fearing your Saturn return, you're actually fearing the truth of your situation, and you're fearing confronting what you actually need to do and the work it will take to do it. And that's fine. You can fear it, but you can also just, like, embrace it-

    14. JS

      Mm

    15. CN

      ... and move into itAnd, and be okay with ... I think you also have to be okay with being alone, going it alone. You have to be okay with doing something that wasn't expected. You have to be okay with disappointing people.

    16. JS

      Mm.

    17. CN

      And it's a time where you're supposed to learn about boundaries. And so if you can't have a boundary with yourself, which is to say, "I will not abandon myself," then it's gonna be really rough.

    18. JS

      Mm.

    19. CN

      But if you promise that you will not abandon yourself, you will not abandon your gifts and your talents and your inner knowing, then the Saturn Return will really set you on a course that feels like liberation.

    20. JS

      Mm.

    21. CN

      Because it's stripping you down and being like, "It's this, or it's gonna be ... Like, what pain do you wanna choose?"

    22. JS

      Mm.

    23. CN

      You wanna choose the pain of choosing the thing you know you need to choose, or do you wanna choose the pain of denying that?

    24. JS

      Mm.

    25. CN

      And that's kind of the crossroads that the Saturn Return finds us at.

    26. JS

      You have totally redefined my perspective

  22. 1:14:191:18:58

    Is Mercury Retrograde Actually That Bad?

    1. JS

      of Saturn Return.

    2. CN

      [laughs] Oh, good.

    3. JS

      Brilliant. It's so much more powerful as well. It's so-

    4. CN

      Yeah, it is. It's so powerful

    5. JS

      ... yeah, it's so power- it's so empowering.

    6. CN

      Yeah.

    7. JS

      It's so clear.

    8. CN

      Yeah.

    9. JS

      It's so, it's so, it ... Better than cl- It's so clarifying-

    10. CN

      Mm

    11. JS

      ... to know what you need to focus on and what this period of life is about, and also just, like, the willingness to get on with it and build-

    12. CN

      Yeah

    13. JS

      ... and, you know, create.

    14. CN

      Yeah.

    15. JS

      And so the other, the other word that's thrown around is Mercury retrograde.

    16. CN

      Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

    17. JS

      And so I was like, so what is Mercury retrograde?

    18. CN

      Yeah. It's-

    19. JS

      And how does it actually affect you?

    20. CN

      Yeah. It's very common. It happens three to four times a year for three weeks a year, three weeks each time, so that's, like, at least nine weeks a year out of 52 it's gonna be retrograde. So because it's so common, th- it is so prevalent, and it is so misunderstood. So ... [laughs]

    21. JS

      Please clarify.

    22. CN

      I wish no one ever mentioned Mercury retrograde. [laughs]

    23. JS

      Yeah.

    24. CN

      Because I think it's the main reason why people hate astrology, because someone at the office will be like, "I told you everything was gonna go wrong because Mercury is retrograde." Um, it is the planet of communication, and is the planet that can rule every ... And we, you know, rely on gadgets and technology, and that's all, uh, a- the ways in which we communicate. So there's some very famous, you know, things that have happened during a Mercury retrograde with tech companies that are kind of comical. I'm sure they're really difficult for the people that are working in them, but for, like, sites to go down and for communication to be bumpy is what is supposed to happen during Mercury retrograde.

    25. JS

      Interesting.

    26. CN

      But it becomes this catch-all for everything. It becomes a catch-all for everybody's every emotion. It becomes a catch-all for every single thing going wrong ever in the universe. And so then it loses its definition, and it loses its specificity, and it loses its meaning. So it's something really common that happens, and what it's trying to teach us is stop, pause, and turn around and look at what just happened. Review where you just came from. Review the document. Do you need to send that text? Like, it's a good time to practice, even whether or not you believe in astrology, it's just, like, a good time to practice mindfulness and thoughtfulness and reflection, and that's really what it's about.

    27. JS

      Mm.

    28. CN

      Or it's supposed to be about. It's just, like, a good time to be reflective. And I find that it's a, it's a ... I also have a tech company, so, um, I think that sometimes we feel it a little bit more acutely than other people. If something's gonna break, it generally does break during Mercury retrograde.

    29. JS

      [laughs]

    30. CN

      And I hate it because I'm always telling people it's not ... You know, I'm like, "Don't make such a big deal about it."

  23. 1:18:581:20:22

    Don’t Use Your Sign to Excuse Bad Behavior!

    1. CN

      a certain way that I don't wanna do that, but I might be doing it unconsciously? So it's a good time to also think about the ways in which we speak to each other.

    2. JS

      Mm.

    3. CN

      And I think because our culture is so, like, go, go, go and forward, forward-Um, these are just invitations-

    4. JS

      Mm

    5. CN

      ... to be more reflective and considerate of what we're saying and how we're saying it.

    6. JS

      Do you think sometimes we use charts and signs as an excuse for our bad behavior or-

    7. CN

      [laughs] Yeah, always

    8. JS

      ... acting a certain way? [laughs]

    9. CN

      Always. I wish, I wish, I wish we didn't do it 'cause I, I- it's not what it's about. It's never, um... [clicks tongue] It's never the reason why someone's acting badly.

    10. JS

      Interesting. Yeah.

    11. CN

      It's not 'cause their sign.

    12. JS

      Mm.

    13. CN

      It's because a need isn't being met, or, you know, there's some- they're dysregulated or, you know, there's something else happened before they walked in here. They might do it in a certain style that might be in accordance with what you think their sign means, but it's not that. As humans, we're always looking for patterns. And of course, as an astrologer, I love to look at patterns because I look at cycles, and I try to see like, oh, what happened 300 years ago when Pluto was in Aquarius? Oh, we had an industrial revolution. Oh, Pluto just went back into Aquarius in March of 2023. Oh, that's when ChatGPT exploded onto the scene. [laughs] Like, that is another

  24. 1:20:221:23:14

    Are Certain Signs More Compatible?

    1. CN

      industrial revolution. And there's a million signatures that you can look at like that, so it's interesting to see, like, these big cycles. But because humans always wanna find pattern recognition, what we tend to focus on is, like, that Gemini broke my heart, and so I'm gonna see that characteristic in every other Gemini that I ever meet, you know? And that's... I just don't think it's helpful.

    2. JS

      We often hear about how certain signs are compatible-

    3. CN

      Mm-hmm

    4. JS

      ... and certain signs are not.

    5. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    6. JS

      Based on what you just said.

    7. CN

      Awful advice. [laughs]

    8. JS

      Not good?

    9. CN

      Every sign is compatible. There are-

    10. JS

      No way.

    11. CN

      There are specific ways in which the signs will re- like, say... So when people talk about that, they're often talking about their sun sign, so that's again one tiny part of someone's whole entire chart. I really wanna look at the moment that you were born, you have this full picture of the sky, and the moment they were born, there's a full picture of the sky. How do those two pictures line up? Because there's all those different points. I need to know if your... what style is your Venus, what style is their Venus? There's no bad combination of Venus signs. There's just styles. Like, your style of being your sun sign and my style of being my sun sign will have a relationship in a certain way, but that's also obviously based on us. But it's, it's not about there being good and bad matches.

    12. JS

      Mm.

    13. CN

      There's about being... There's certain resonances with certain signs. But y- you shouldn't be with somebody just because there's ease. Like, that's silly.

    14. JS

      Mm.

    15. CN

      And it really is about the whole entirety of somebody and their chart, and the whole entirety of you and your chart, and how those full two things go together. But I don't think you should look at somebody's chart until you know them.

    16. JS

      Mm, because we'll make assumptions.

    17. CN

      Yeah.

    18. JS

      Yeah. I think there's such a negativity bias that we have obviously naturally as humans-

    19. CN

      Yeah

    20. JS

      ... that as soon as you hear, like you said, "Oh, my last ex was a Gemini-"

    21. CN

      Yeah.

    22. JS

      "... this one is, too," or, "Oh, the chart said this, and this is why."

    23. CN

      Yeah.

    24. JS

      Yeah.

    25. CN

      Yeah. Yeah. I don't... I just don't think it, it's helpful when you're trying to meet somebody and get to know them.

    26. JS

      So when you're dating, you'd suggest we actually just date the person.

    27. CN

      [laughs] Yes, I would love that.

    28. JS

      And if we-

    29. CN

      [laughs]

    30. JS

      ... if we happen to like them and things are getting more serious, and we believe in astrology and value it, then that should come later.

  25. 1:23:141:25:32

    Making “Incompatible” Charts Work Together

    1. CN

      someone and really, again, try to feel what it feels like to be with them. What is the energy between you? Like, do you feel safe? What is your body saying? Like, what are they telling you? [laughs] What are the little things they're telling you that you would normally not listen to? Are there red flags? Like, there's a million things to look at and pay attention to before you get to an astrology chart.

    2. JS

      Can astrology charts tell you about some of the long-term red flags?

    3. CN

      Yeah. Yeah.

    4. JS

      Like what?

    5. CN

      Yeah. Like where you'll, uh, have, like, communication issues down the road. Where, like, your Venuses, like our... my Venus is in a certain sign, your Venus is in a certain sign. So if it's really different, or if they don't have a relationship with one another, then we're gonna have to work to kind of like connect it. You know? There's things that will eventually aggravate you about any person that you're with long term, and those differences and disparities are in the charts, but they're also in the relationship so you know what they are. The chart will just kind of confirm that, that those are differences, and this, these are where you come together, and this is where you kind of go your separate ways. [laughs] Or this is where you will generally tend to, like, miss each other. Like, my wife and I have very different incompatible charts, and a lot of things just don't go together. There's obviously places where it's like full harmony, but then there's places where we're just like kind of alien to each other almost. [laughs] And it's not that I don't relate to those parts of her, or she doesn't relate to those parts of me, it's just we do it so differently.

    6. JS

      Yeah.

    7. CN

      And that's what makes our relationship. You know? It's like, oh, that's what... She's doing the thing, or I'm doing the thing, and that makes me have to struggle to, like, appreciate and understand somebody else, and there's always gonna be that disparity in any relationship.

    8. JS

      Mm.Yeah, I couldn't agree more

    9. CN

      I feel like we always want everything easy and-

    10. JS

      Yeah

    11. CN

      ... simple and prepackaged, and it's like-

    12. JS

      Well, I, yeah, I, I couldn't agree more. It's almost like that balance between it shouldn't be excruciating or torture you, obviously.

    13. CN

      No. Yeah.

    14. JS

      And then it, it can't ever be fully seamless and easy.

  26. 1:25:321:33:04

    Who Are You as This Year Comes to a Close?

    1. CN

      Yeah.

    2. JS

      And-

    3. CN

      That's only when we're first born-

    4. JS

      Yeah

    5. CN

      ... hopefully with our parent, you know? Like-

    6. JS

      If that.

    7. CN

      If that.

    8. JS

      Yeah.

    9. CN

      Yeah. Most of us don't even have that. But that's what we're, I feel like, trying to get back to.

    10. JS

      Yeah.

    11. CN

      That totally... To that total union, and that's not what being a human is.

    12. JS

      Mm.

    13. CN

      We s- have to separate from each other, and we have to find those places, um, of difference.

    14. JS

      Yeah. As, as it's coming up to the end of the year, and-

    15. CN

      Mm

    16. JS

      ... people may be looking back and thinking this year didn't go the way they wanted to.

    17. CN

      [laughs]

    18. JS

      Maybe they didn't make the progress in their career that they wanted. Maybe their relationship is just about surviving. Maybe they haven't found a partner that they're looking for.

    19. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    20. JS

      How would you encourage them to release this year so that they can truly move into the next year with a healthier mindset and approach?

    21. CN

      I think that one of the things that's important to remember about this time of year, at least in the Northern Hemisphere, is that we're moving into more and more darkness. We're moving away from the great activity of summer, and we're moving into the quietness and the stillness. Which, again, is hard for most of us because life is so busy, but I think it's really important to allow yourself to think about this frame of time, especially as we move closer to the winter solstice, as being a time where we're just allowing a waning of energy to occur, and we're allowing that waning of, of conscious activity to help us transition into a, a place of, of stillness and regeneration. And then if we don't allow those times of release... Like, if the year was hard, it was hard for, I think, most people in a lot of different ways, in a, a lot of different places. And so if we don't allow certain times, especially at the end of the year, to unwind and to, to fully kind of just, like, let it be. Like, whatever this year has been for you, that happened. It impacted you. What is it that you're left with now? And just allowing some days, especially, you know, in December, especially as we move towards the 21st of December, the solstice, to just be with what was. Who were you at the beginning of last year? Who are you now at the end of this year? And have those moments of reflection because you know, like, the year will change, and things will open up, and it'll be busy, busy, busy, and it'll be a lot of things. But astrologically speaking, 2025 was one of those, like, game-changing years where all of these major planets changed signs, and so it was a signal that this year was gonna be very different than years that we've had in the past. And there was gonna be things that were gonna happen this year that were gonna impact us for decades to come. So if you feel like you haven't been able to do all the personal things that you wanted to do, yes, like, we're in the midst of a massive transition and a lot of change. And so you're also caught up in a greater cycle of things, right?

    22. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    23. CN

      We're in a collective thing right now, and so the world is working and looking differently. And so allowing yourself time to just reflect, and not even so much with your mind, but just, like, allowing your body to decompress in any way, shape, or form, to just deal with the impact of what this year has brought, I think is a huge gift to yourself. And allowing yourself some time... Again, if you don't have kids. [laughs] Allowing yourself some time to write, to reflect, and to reset. Like, you can reset. We can take-

    24. JS

      Mm

    25. CN

      ... a pause. We can, you know, turn the off switch off. Like, let it drop down, and give yourself a minute-

    26. JS

      Mm-hmm

    27. CN

      ... to be a human.

    28. JS

      Yeah.

    29. CN

      And just, like, let the reckoning kind of happen. But allow yourself to be human-

    30. JS

      Yeah

  27. 1:33:041:37:35

    Chani on Final Five

    1. JS

      your success and your ability to help so many people because I can easily tell from sitting with you for the past couple of hours that everything you're doing is coming from a great place, but also is truly trying to guide people towards their greatness and-

    2. CN

      Mm

    3. JS

      ... their best self.

    4. CN

      Mm.

    5. JS

      And, you know, through, through all the amazing teachings and studies and resets that you've done.

    6. CN

      Mm.

    7. JS

      So thank you so much.

    8. CN

      Thank you so much for having me.

    9. JS

      It's such a joy. Uh, we end every episode of On Purpose with a Final Five.

    10. CN

      Yes.

    11. JS

      These questions have to be answered in one word-

    12. CN

      Oh, gosh

    13. JS

      ... to one sentence maximum.

    14. CN

      One word, okay. [laughs]

    15. JS

      So you have a sentence. You have a sentence.

    16. CN

      Okay.

    17. JS

      Uh, so Chani Nicholas, these are your Final Five.

    18. CN

      Okay.

    19. JS

      The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever had or received?

    20. CN

      If you choose it, do not feel sorry for yourself about it. Your agency is your greatest gift and your greatest power. The moment you feel sorry for yourself, you decouple yourself. You do the, yourself the greatest disservice. If you choose it, do not feel sorry for yourself about what it takes to make it happen. You can un-choose it, but if you're choosing it, this is what it is. Do you still want it?

    21. JS

      Such a great answer. I love that.

    22. CN

      That's so many que-

    23. JS

      So good

    24. CN

      ... so many sentences.

    25. JS

      No, that was great. That was great.

    26. CN

      [laughs]

    27. JS

      I loved it. Second question: What is the worst advice you've ever had or received?

    28. CN

      Someone telling me they didn't know how I was ever gonna find love.

    29. JS

      Mm.

    30. CN

      I don't know if that's advice, but-

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