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Calling out disrespectful bosses and reclaiming your options
- JFJefferson Fisher
Who out there has a boss? I'm not talking any kind of boss. I mean, the dirt, snake in the grass, rude, disrespectful, mean, critical, micromanaging, know-it-all boss. If you have one of those, this episode is for you. Welcome to The Jefferson Fisher Podcast. Today, I'm kicking it in the truck today because I feel passionate about something, y'all, and that is when you have people in your life that you are working with or for, and they love to remind you that you work for them, you have a choice, and that is whether or not you still work for this person. You have a choice. I'm going to give you some phrases, and we're gonna deep dive into some strategies into this episode of how to handle the disrespectful boss, what to say to them, what to think about it. Here's
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Three ways people respond—and why “just taking it” erodes confidence
- JFJefferson Fisher
what I want you to know first. Number one, you have a choice of where you want to work, of who you want to work with or for. And if you are the type of person that when push comes to shove, and you're having a hard confrontation, and you're sitting in their office, and they're saying all these things and being really, really critical, you have two choices. One, you can just take it. You can take it and just go on about your day. Or you feel... I, I would say that's kind of middle of the road. You just, you take it, right? Or you do something with it, meaning we're gonna go step forward into this moment and say something about it, be direct about it. Or you just totally lay down, and you get totally walked over, and you get totally smushed every, every single time. Every egg gets cracked because they just walk right over you, and you feel like, "Man, this is exactly... I, I just, I have to take it and deal with it, and this is horrible." You will never gain the confidence you want by simply laying down and letting somebody run all over you like a doormat. The confidence you are wanting is not that option. It's not through that route. You are going to need to step forward and say something. That's right. So if you've ever gone, "Oh, no, Jefferson, I, I just, I just kind of take it. It just makes life go easier."
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Toughness vs. dignity: taking feedback without accepting disrespect
- JFJefferson Fisher
No, it doesn't. It doesn't make life go easier. It just makes it more tolerable in that moment, but that is no way to live. Now, I will say that there is a caveat to that, and that is maybe somebody who is, uh, an employer or a boss right now listening going, "Well, look, I, sometimes I need to be... you know, have some constructive criticism," and they're not willing to take it. I hear that. I think there is a difference of when somebody says you kind of have to earn your stripes somewhere, and, uh, you kind of have your rookie season, uh, there wherever you're working of knowing you. There is this expectation of it is gonna be somewhat of a, a tough slog to get through wherever you got to get through, but there should be an end to it. If there's never an end to it, then we have a problem because there's a difference between toughness and dignity. Toughness says, "I can take this. I can handle this. I have broad enough shoulders for this." Dignity says, "I know I don't have to. I don't have to take this. If I want to, I can leave. I, I can take my ball and go home. I don't have to play here. There are other people who could be more than happy to take my skills and what I have to offer because I know within myself, I have the self-awareness to know I have things to offer." So with that mindset, first and foremost, of knowing that you have a choice, what are we going to do? Number one, I want you to be willing to ask a question that
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Lean into discomfort: decide you won’t be walked over
- JFJefferson Fisher
is going to show that you are not afraid to lean into those hard moments, and I know that's gonna feel really uncomfortable, but is leaning into that discomfort is gonna be... could make all the difference of whether or not you're somebody who goes, "I'm different from all the rest of the people who are here," or, "I am somebody who is always going to be walked over." Well, you and I have already... we've already agreed to this. We're not gonna be people that we walk over. If you are listening to my podcast, hear me, you are not the kind of person that's
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Phrase #1: Separate emotion from standards—“frustration or expectation?”
- JFJefferson Fisher
simply gonna be walked over, so we are going to use phrases. There are, there are powerful phrases and questions out there that are gonna make the difference. Here is one of them. Set the scene. You are talking right now in your boss's office, and he or she are just... they're, they're going after it on something. They're heated. They are talking about something, and it... they could use more polite words, but they're not. They're, they're being irresponsible with, with their word choices, and they're being careless because there's something going on, but they're complaining and griping and being very critical about it. There is a question that I like that stops them in their tracks, and it is this question: Am I hearing frustration or an expectation? Is this frustration or an expectation? That question always stops them because it makes them think, "Am I getting personal?" Which is really the frustration, to say, "I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm frustrated about something. I don't need to blur that line with what I, what, what are the practical things that I'm expecting here?" In other words, "Is there a lesson that I am needing to better communicate of what the expectation is?" And so when you're able to show that you're the kind of person, employee, worker, whatever, coworker, of knowing I can see behind what's happening in this moment. I can tell you're really frustrated, and I'm gonna use that word to call you to the mat. To say is, I can... I just wanna... It, it would sound something like this: "I wanna be sure, are you voicing frustration or are you clarifying an expectation?" See the difference? It has a way of splashing cold water in their face, because reasonable, that's the key word, reasonable, people would know it's not helpful to just talk about personal frustrations. Though it's okay, the key here is acknowledging the difference, not treating you as the person to whom they can just use as a dumpster for all of their frustrations going on in life. Because we know what it's like when that boss, you just know, oh, they're on a tear today. Oh, they had a bad morning, or, you know, they, they got something going on and they're gonna take it out on everybody else. That is, one, somebody you need to be away from. Second of all, you need to be able to distinguish that in that moment of knowing I, I wanna make sure, is this... Am I hearing frustration or am I hearing a set expectation? Okay, I, I'm willing to engage. I'm good with let's talk expectations here, of what the expectation is. That sounds good. I'm willing to rise to meet the expectation that's required of this position. What I am not willing to do is be the garbage bag for every frustration
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When criticism is fair vs. when it crosses into disrespect
- JFJefferson Fisher
that's there. If it's warranted, maybe certainly there's room for if you've done something and you know you've made an error and they're frustrated, that's gonna happen. You're, you're going to need to be able to accept that. That's, that's part of accountability. That's kind of ownership. If you have made a mistake, and you know you have, to be able to absorb, right? That's that toughness versus dignity kind of conversation of knowing, yeah, I can, I can take this on. Yes, that's fair criticism. It's where it leans in more to that disrespect,
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Phrase #2: Challenge the delivery—“Is this tone necessary?”
- JFJefferson Fisher
right, if they're going too far with that. Here's where I want you to go with number two. You ready? Here is a question that I like to ask, and I have encouraged other people to ask, and I can report back to you that this question has come in handy for many people, and that is, it is this. It's, and be warned, it's one that's a lot more forward, so you're gonna have to be willing. You might listen to it and go, "Ah, my boss would never like that." And some might go, "I don't know. I could, I could have some variation of that that can work." But you need to be ready for this kind of thing in your back pocket, and it's, it's this question: Is this tone required for me to do, to do my job well? Is the tone I'm getting from you required of me to do my job well, right? You see how that's just... You, you are highlighting the fact of, yeah, this tone you're giving me, I don't remember, I don't remember that in the job requirements, that I'm having to accept that. You say, is this, is the tone that I am getting, is the disrespect I'm getting required for me to do my job well? It's, it's another way of asking that is, is the tone you're giving me required for us to talk about this? Is how you're talking to me needed for us to be able to speak, for us to be able to talk about this topic? Is how you're talking to me necessary for us to be able to talk about this? Oof, I like that one. That's the one. That's the one. Is
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Sponsor break: Monarch personal finance app
- JFJefferson Fisher
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Phrase #3: Assert values and choice—“I choose to work where…”
- JFJefferson Fisher
where you are willing to work and where you choose to work, meaning when you are in those moments with this rude, disrespectful, not that nice of a person boss, I want you to use those words. For example, if you are getting that critical, nasty, disrespectful type of behavior, I want you to lead with, "I choose to work at a place that I expect is going to X, Y, and Z." And you're gonna need to list those values, whether it's values my input, is willing to teach me, where I'm going to be able to have growth in not only my career but also in my life that is going to add more to my life than it is taking away. Key word here, I choose to work in a place. I am willing to work. I am willing to be in a role. I choose to fill a position. You see how it, it is, is using words of the me. Not where you feel like, "I'm just a slave to everything else that's happening to me. I, I am... Everything else is out of my control. I'm a victim to whatever thing else is, is going on." It says, "No, I'm willing to work at an organization or in a business where I am or I can that is going to..." Right? Y- you now are voicing those expectations of what that is. And what that does is tell the other person of, "Hey, in case you don't remember, I'm choosing to still be here. I don't have to. I can leave." It's that dignity conversation all over again. When you're able to use those words of I'm willing, I choose, I choose to be in this role, I choose to accept this position. I chose to accept this position because I know that X, Y, and Z. When you're able to communicate those kind of things, it is a reminder of, to not only you, but also signaling to the other person of I have
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Quick add-ons: “Did you mean…?” and humanizing the power dynamic
- JFJefferson Fisher
other options at my disposal, and one of those options is not listening to this garbage that you are spitting out to me. All right, so those are the three that I really wanna focus on in terms of the phrasing, the phraseology in questions that you can use. Of course, you can go with the did you mean when somebody's being rude or belittling. The did, did you mean for that to sound, you know, disrespectful? Did you mean for that to come across as disrespectful as it sounded? Did you mean for that to sound as short or upset or rude, um, or curt, uh, or abrupt or blunt as that sounded? Right? Being able to voice that kind of thing, some bosses need that kind of check because they may not even realize that they're doing it. So I'm gonna... I wanna say, like, I, I've employed lots of people. It's always good, because they're human, too, to have that kind of check. So I don't want to say I have, I have worked with, for, and, uh, with wonderful people, right? It's just, you just re- realize they're all... we're all just humans. We're all just humans, so it's not like it's a superiority problem all across the board. There have been plenty of people I know that have been very low on the totem pole but also have big-time superiority complex, so it doesn't mean just because of the position you're in, that's the kind of attitude that they have. It is a, it is a condition-of-the-heart kind of thing, not condition-of-the-position type of thing. Oh,
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If you missed the moment: set a meeting and lead with values, not complaints
- JFJefferson Fisher
that sounded pretty good. I like that. I think I, I wanna, I wanna keep that one in there. All right. So a- aside from maybe the did you mean things, I want you to understand when it comes to communicating, let's say I've been giving you these phrases for if it's happening in real time. Let's say that you missed the moment. You could have said something right in that moment, but you didn't, and it didn't work out, and you went back to your office or your cubicle or y- you know, maybe it was you're working remotely, and you're like, "Man, I really... I should have said something." You need to say it. If you have that thought, I should have said this, go back and say it, but take the time. That means you're gonna set a meeting, right? And you're going to know, one, what is my goal for this conversation? The thing that you're needing to ask, what are you walking away from? What do you need to walk away with in that conversation? There's nothing more frustrating than if somebody is coming to you, and all you hear is a complaint when really it's a need. Right? That, that can get very, uh, blended together when you're coming to somebody who's in management or your boss, and you're coming with a need, but it sounds like a complaint. All right? Here are some phrases and some ways I want you to approach this conversation, and, uh, here, here, here's how it goes. I'm telling you this because I know you value honesty or transparency. I'm telling you this because I know you value when we speak up for ourselves. I know you va- value confidence. I know you val- value assertiveness, right? It, it, it's saying, "I'm tying this conversation to a value rather than a complaint." That's a very big difference. Another is asking the question... I'm, I'm just throwing things at you to see what kinda lands because b- it's, it's all across the board. It's not
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Narrate your internal story and ask for clearer communication
- JFJefferson Fisher
one boss fits all kind of thing. We know this. Is using the phrase, "Are you against?" Are you against me saying something really honest with you right now? Are you, are you against me saying... Are you against me speaking my mind for a moment? Are, are you against me getting something off my chest? You be able to present this if you're having to say, "When you said this the other day, what my brain told me," that's where you get to narrate your thoughts. "It came across to me, what I heard in my brain is you hate everything I've done." [laughs] "That you dislike me as an employee." Like, sometimes it comes down just to that, of just feeling like, I don't feel like they like me, and so I don't like them. And you're worried the whole time at the office of, "Oh, does my boss like me? They don't really like me, and who does like me? And does this coworker like me? And I'm afraid nobody likes me, and does anybody like me?" And that has s- somehow become the test for how you're going to feel because if they don't like you, then you don't like you, right? Well,
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- JFJefferson Fisher
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Stop seeking likability; choose boundaries—and if it’s truly toxic, plan your exit
- JFJefferson Fisher
Go to ponchooutdoors/jefferson and get $10 off your first order, and free shipping. That's ponchooutdoors.com/jefferson. And now, let's keep going. So when you're able to say, "Yesterday when you said that my work looks sloppy, what my brain told me, or the story I'm telling myself is that you think I'm not a very good employee, or that I'm not worth, uh, keeping around, or that you think I'm not trying hard enough." That's really... I think that's a big one. "The story I'm telling myself is you think I'm not trying hard enough, and that, that bothers me, and I wanna be able to voice that and address any concerns that you have." Or maybe it's simply you need to say, "I hear this frustration," or, "I hear this and I hear this. What am I missing? Help me with what I'm missing. Tell it to me differently. I need you to explain it to me differently. I need you to say it to me differently." Because it's, it's, it's really hard sometimes to just take things in one, in one gulp, in one take when you, you need to hear it again. Like, imagine when, if an employee came up to you and said, "I remember last week you saying this to me, and I took a lot of value in it, and I need you to, to, to hammer it in. I need you to say it again for me. I need you to say it differently so that it really locks in, because I, I really want it to." Like, when you're able to voice that, "I want to do well here. It's important to me to do well here." Communicating the confidence, assertiveness of saying, "I'm willing to have this conversation," rather than go back to my office and just hope, fingers crossed, that you don't hate me, and instead in my head I'm going to take everything that you're saying as some type of criticism of me as a human, and take it personal and get very disappointed. And if work life isn't good, then nothing in my life is good, and everything is terrible, and I hate this job, when really all it requires is a very upfront, open, honest conversation, right? And that's... Conversation's a two-way street. And I hear you if you say, "Jefferson, you don't know my boss. My boss is the most rude, the narcissistic, the most terrible..." Then what are you doing working for him? Go somewhere else. Go somewhere else. I hear it's like, "Well, maybe n- now's not the right time," or, "It's a hard, hard job market." Absolutely, I get all of that. All of that's true. But stop working for them, right? You can set a plan in motion even if you're still working there right now and you have a plan of, "Hey, I'm gonna be willing to deal with this for a few more weeks until I find this other position and job." I hear that, understand that, I validate all of that. What I'm telling you in this episode is you have a choice. You have a choice. So I want you to use phrases and questions like, "Am I hearing a frustration or an expectation right now? Are you saying this to be helpful or saying this to be hurtful?" Things like that. Next, I want you to go into... This is gonna be a little bit more direct, but, "Is the way you're treating me right now necessary for us to talk about this? Is your tone to me a requirement for me to do my job well? I wanna ma- I wanna make sure that this tone is something I need to be... If, if, if it's going to be a recurring thing, that I'm gonna have to need to accept as part of my responsibilities in this position." See how, you see how you're saying this is a positional thing, which is in three going into, "I'm willing, I choose. I choose to be in this position, I choose to work here, because..." It's sometimes a boss needs to remember that you have a choice. I know I bring up that word choice and choose a lot, because I need you, I need you to really drop it in. I need you to feel like you do. I need to feel like you do. Because it is, it is necessary to know that if you're the type of person that is going to constantly just let them run all over you, you will never earn the respect that you seek. It's not gonna happen that way. The only way that respect is going to be there is if you lean into the conversation than leaning away from the conversation. And if you might be in this position that just goes, "Oh, no, there's just, you know, there's this element of you have to be willing to kind of take your licks before you get respect and earn that," check whether or not that's really where you wanna be. Life's too short to be playing those kind of games. It's too short to be playing those kind of games, that people really don't care about you. No. This is not, this is not some hazing. This, this is your livelihood we're talking about. We're, we're talking about putting m- food on the table, right? And we're talking about your life. Your life. What's more important than that? Don't be dealing with some bad boss. You can go with, "Did you mean...? Are you against...?" Use
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Wrap-up: you’re not alone—use the phrases and remember you have a choice
- JFJefferson Fisher
these phrases that I talked to you about. And I want you to know that if you have a bad boss right now... Hey, listen, if you have a boss that's kind of the worst... That's right, I'm talking to you. If you have a boss that is just the worst, I want you to know that you are seen, okay? So go into wherever you're listening, into the comments, and you don't have to... Don't put your boss's name. I don't want you to go in there immediately going, "Brad is the worst." I want you to do that. [laughs] I just want you to shout out to everybody that, "I have a bad boss, I'm getting through it." I want you to see that you are not alone. Maybe it's, "Hey, I feel everybody out there, whoever's going through this, you're not alone. You're not alone. You're not alone." Hey, look at me. You're not alone. You have a choice. You're gonna get through this. Use those phrases. They're gonna help. That's how you respond to a very difficult boss. All right. Be good. Later.
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