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Speak Up Without Shrinking with Jamie Kern Lima

Want a FREE communication tip each week? Click here to join my newsletter. https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/newsletter I sat down with my friend Jamie Kern Lima—founder of IT Cosmetics and New York Times bestselling author of Worthy—to talk about turning rejection into purpose. She shares how she transformed years of “no” into a billion-dollar yes, the mindset shifts that build real self-worth, and how to protect your energy by curating the right circle. If you’ve ever doubted yourself or felt like your confidence took a hit, this episode shows you how to get it back. Follow Jamie - https://www.instagram.com/jamiekernlima/?hl=en Check out Jamie’s podcast - https://jamiekernlima.com/show/ Thank you to our Sponsors: Cozy Earth. Upgrade Your Every Day. Get 40% off at cozyearth.com/jefferson or use code JEFFERSON at check out. https://cozyearth.com/pages/jefferson Fabric by Gerber Life: Apply in minutes at https://meetfabric.com/JEFFERSON Momentous. Visit https://www.livemomentous.com/ and use code JEFFERSON for 35% off your first order. BetterHelp. Click https://betterhelp.com/jeffersonfisher for a discount on your first month of therapy. Like what you hear? Don’t forget to subscribe and leave a 5-star review! Order my new book, The Next Conversation, today! https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/book Suggest a topic or ask a question for me to answer on the show! https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/topic Join my School of Communication. https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/membership Follow me on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/jefferson_fisher Follow me on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@justaskjefferson?lang=en Follow me on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffersonfisher/

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Jamie Kern Lima on rejection, self-worth, and speaking confidently today

  1. Jamie Kern Lima describes how chronic self-doubt—not lack of talent—was her biggest limiter, and how changing her self-talk helped her move from setbacks to building IT Cosmetics.
  2. She explains a practical method for handling rejection by redefining what “no” means (e.g., protection, redirection, reps) so rejection fuels persistence instead of quitting.
  3. A career setback on live television due to rosacea became the catalyst for creating an inclusive beauty brand built around real people and a mission bigger than product alone.
  4. Kern Lima outlines how women can speak up without being labeled “too much” by anchoring on worthiness and reframing visibility as permission-giving for others.
  5. She highlights leadership communication patterns: nearly all high achievers still have self-doubt, and the most successful leaders curate an energizing inner circle and mission-driven culture.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Your definition of rejection determines your willingness to try again.

Kern Lima suggests noticing your first thought after failure (“I’m not enough,” “I’m stupid,” etc.) and treating it as your current definition of rejection; then replace it with a definition you genuinely believe so you can keep moving.

Write and rehearse empowering “rejection translations.”

She built a toolbox of meanings like “rejection is God’s protection,” “rejection is redirection,” and “I’m putting in the reps,” using them repeatedly until rejection no longer felt like a verdict.

Turn down the volume on critics; turn up the volume on your inner knowing.

When an investor rejected her based on her body, she used a mental “volume dial” to reduce the replay of his words and amplify the gut-level conviction that he was wrong.

A clear North Star makes confident communication easier—internally and externally.

IT Cosmetics’ mission (inclusive beauty; real people; “you are enough”) guided decisions and messaging, helped align teams, and made it easier to speak with conviction even when others disapproved.

Speaking up as a woman often starts by making it bigger than yourself.

She recommends treating visibility—sharing ideas, celebrating wins, stating opinions—as “permission-giving” for other women (daughters, colleagues, peers), which helps override conditioning to dim your light.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

When we fundamentally believe we're not enough or unworthy, um, it's a lie, and it's a lie we keep telling ourselves over and over that becomes our ceiling in so many areas of our life.

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I am absolutely a billion percent sure, Jefferson, that other people's nos or rejections is no indication of the potential that it's gonna work.

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I really believe that the setbacks that happen in our life, so often our setbacks are actually God's setups for what we're called to do next and, and the step we're supposed to take next, and the season we're supposed to go through next.

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Whatever your first thought is about rejection or failure is your current definition of rejection or failure.

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I believe in my soul that God will block your value from people who aren't assigned to your destiny.

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Self-talk and self-worth as performance ceilingsRedefining rejection and changing its meaningTurning setbacks into “setups” (faith and resilience)Inclusive beauty and using real modelsSpeaking up as a woman without shrinkingMission/North Star as a leadership toolCurating relationships and “emotional residue”

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