Joe Rogan Experience #1060 - Remi Warren

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Five, four, three, two...…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Five, four, three, two... Boom! And we're live. Remy Warren, international man of adventure.

   2. RWRemi Warren0:10

      How's it going?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Good. (laughs)

   4. RWRemi Warren0:12

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Good to see you, man.

   6. RWRemi Warren0:13

      Good to see you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      I, I purposely didn't ask you or talk to you about the grizzly bear attack, 'cause I wanted to save it.

   8. RWRemi Warren0:19

      You wanted, you wanted-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      What is it like-

   10. RWRemi Warren0:22

       (sighs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       ... to have survived, literally being, what are ya, two feet away from-

   12. RWRemi Warren0:27

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... an attacking grizzly bear?

   14. RWRemi Warren0:28

       Pretty close. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Like, you coulda grabbed it.

   16. RWRemi Warren0:30

       Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Easily.

   18. RWRemi Warren0:32

       Easily. Oh, it was ... That was just nuts. It was one of those things ... Okay, I've, I've thought about it a million times.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       I'm sure. How long ago was this?

   20. RWRemi Warren0:41

       This was ... So that would've been early October, or mid-October.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       So you've had three months.

   22. RWRemi Warren0:47

       Three months to kind of think about it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Somewhere around.

   24. RWRemi Warren0:49

       Yep. And, uh ... Yeah, man, it's just one of those things that I've thought about it so many times in my head, and I've always been ... I, I think Steve was the same way, like, "Oh, it'd be pretty cool to, uh, survive a bear attack, get scratched up a little bit."

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       (laughs)

   26. RWRemi Warren1:06

       After that (laughs) experience, I thought to myself, "If that never happens again, (laughs) I'll be okay."

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       (laughs) Yeah. Steve used to always say, Steve Rinella we're talking about, from the MeatEater Podcast, and he has a two-part series on this p- particular bear attack. But he used to always say he wanted to get clawed across the chest and have like ... Not a tattoo, but, like, a big claw from a-

   28. RWRemi Warren1:26

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       I'm like, "What?"

   30. RWRemi Warren1:26

       A little bit of marking.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. And the, and…

   1. GUGuest15:00

      like that, in a group of six?

   2. RWRemi Warren15:02

      Yeah. And the, and the thing about it was, it wasn't just a bear attack, but had... Looking at it later, had someone even been grabbed and mauled, not to death but injured, I think that it would've been very unlikely that that person woulda survived, because we... The weather that came in was so bad, I don't know if... It was 100-mile-an-hour winds. I mean, you aren't getting rescued in 100-mile-an-hour winds, I wouldn't think.

   3. GUGuest15:29

      Right.

   4. RWRemi Warren15:30

      I don't know. Those Coast Guard helicopters, I'm not really sure-

   5. GUGuest15:32

      (coughs)

   6. RWRemi Warren15:32

      ... what they're capable of. Maybe someone would say, "Yeah, we'd, we'd go." But that would be a very hard thing. The gusts were so bad. When we came back over the ridge to our camp, now we're all on edge. You just wanna get back to camp.

   7. GUGuest15:45

      To put it mildly.

   8. RWRemi Warren15:47

      Yeah. (laughs) Every... And, and then of course we see bears on the way back, and we're like thinking, "Is this bear gonna follow us?" How many bears-

   9. GUGuest15:55

      You see... How many bears did you guys see on the way back?

   10. RWRemi Warren15:56

       One, one other... So we saw a bear on the way back.

   11. GUGuest15:58

       A different one?

   12. RWRemi Warren15:59

       Yeah. Um, smaller. But still-

   13. GUGuest16:02

       A bear.

   14. RWRemi Warren16:02

       After that, yeah-

   15. GUGuest16:03

       Yeah.

   16. RWRemi Warren16:03

       ... you're, you're thinking... Now, before that happened, we're thinking, "No bears will attack us." After that happened, we're thinking, "Every bear will attack us."

   17. GUGuest16:11

       (laughs) Ah.

   18. RWRemi Warren16:11

       And w- we start to go over the ridge back toward camp. I'm, I think at that point I was in the front, Steve and someone else was behind me. As we go over this little saddle, the wind hits, knocks the first three people over.

   19. GUGuest16:24

       Whoa.

   20. RWRemi Warren16:24

       One of the guys had like a pack cover on his pack. Ripped that off and just sent it into the never-nevers. (laughs)

   21. GUGuest16:30

       (laughs)

   22. RWRemi Warren16:30

       I mean, it went up and... It was crazy. I've never seen anything blow away like that. It just went flying. So then we get down. The winds are gusting. The rain's pouring. We look down, the two f- two main tents are destroyed. Steve and I's tents are, you know, flopped down on the ground. I see somebody's, uh, sleeping pad blowing away, sleeping bags getting soaked. So now we have a, a real situation of hypothermia. If the bear didn't get us, this hypothermia might, and we now no longer have a camp that we can just go to. So, we've been attacked by a bear. Our camp's destroyed. We get down there, one of the tents is jacked up. We take all the camp down, relocate behind this spruce, gather up everybody's stuff. Most of the guys' sleeping bags were wet. Uh, we end up, (laughs) like, restringing the bear fence around this new camp. This is after you've just had a full day and been attacked by a bear.

   23. GUGuest17:25

       And by bear fence, you're talking about one of those electric fences?

   24. RWRemi Warren17:27

       Yeah, it's a little electric...

   25. GUGuest17:29

       How do those things work?

   26. RWRemi Warren17:30

       It's, it's a battery-operated deal. You run... Electric fence, it's, uh, like, ribboned electric fence, just like a, just a cattle yard would have.

   27. GUGuest17:39

       Mm-hmm.

   28. RWRemi Warren17:40

       You run that around, and then it's just off of, I think, six D batteries.

   29. GUGuest17:45

       That's it?

   30. RWRemi Warren17:45

       It just pulses. Yeah, and it just... It tingles just a little bit. It doesn't really... If you touch it, it doesn't really light you up. So, I think they just... I don't like that feeling.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (sighs) …

   1. RWRemi Warren30:00

      probably would not have needed to hibernate. Like, they would've been very large bears.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      (sighs)

   3. RWRemi Warren30:07

      We should reintroduce them, though.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      (laughs)

   5. RWRemi Warren30:09

      I think... (laughs) I'm all for that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      (laughs)

   7. RWRemi Warren30:11

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      Well, I think there's probably some people that would agree with you.

   9. RWRemi Warren30:13

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:14

       You know? A lot of the, the people that wanna reintroduce wolves everywhere.

   11. RWRemi Warren30:17

       Yeah. I say for every one they reintroduce somewhere else, let's reintroduce the bear somewhere, you know, in the Monterey, San Francisco area-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       (laughs)

   13. RWRemi Warren30:24

       ... where they naturally were. All those Samus Dreams.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       Oh, my God. Jesus Christ.

   15. RWRemi Warren30:28

       Can you imagine?

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       I couldn't. I couldn't. Yeah. I think people really have no idea what that is. They think of it as some sort of a thing that they've seen on, you know, the Discovery Channel or-

   17. RWRemi Warren30:40

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       ... on some, like, cool YouTube video where you see them wandering through the fields. But until you're there with it... Well, I was gonna say about what Adam said. Like Adam said... He's like, "Mate." He goes, "It's a fucking monster."

   19. RWRemi Warren30:53

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       "It's a fucking monster." He goes, he goes, "People are out there looking for monsters." He goes, "They're fucking real."

   21. RWRemi Warren30:58

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       He goes, "Monsters are real." He goes, he goes, "It's not their fault that they're monsters, but they're fucking monst-" That's the worst Adam Sandler impression I ever did.

   23. RWRemi Warren31:04

       (laughs) That was a spot-on impression. That was exactly like him.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       "If he was around me, I could do it better, mate. You know, that thing where they talk low at the end, their, their voice goes up."... but he was talking about how it was charging him from 15 yards. He could see the muscles and the hair was standing straight up-

   25. RWRemi Warren31:23

       Oh, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       ... but it was looking at him and rippling. And he was saying, "Is this it?" And then he found out later that the gun had the wrong bullets in it.

   27. RWRemi Warren31:30

       That's crazy.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       So, the bullets were too big for the gun and the only way it would have worked is if he got one in the chamber. He had a ... He couldn't cock it to put one in the chamber.

   29. RWRemi Warren31:39

       Oh.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       He would have had to individually put one in the chamber and then he would have had one shot.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Wow. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      friend Mike. It's like, y- ... Okay, if you're, if you're not gonna control the populations of them ... Like, Mike had to shoot one that literally had its face in his cabin. He had opened the door and it was literally ... He shot it, like, li- literally right there, like-

   2. RWRemi Warren45:13

      Wow.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      ... right where you are. It was trying to come in his cabin and he shot it.

   4. RWRemi Warren45:16

      Yeah, I think that the reason there's ... I- I've- I've heard that there's ... More people are attacked or affected by black bears-

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:24

      Yeah.

   6. RWRemi Warren45:25

      ... than grizzly bears or brown bears, but it's just that not as many people live in proximity to them.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      Right.

   8. RWRemi Warren45:30

      If you put a major metropolitan area on the middle of Foggy Neck Island, people would be getting jacked. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:36

      (laughs)

   10. RWRemi Warren45:36

       Just all the time.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       Yeah. Yeah. And that's what's going on also in Montana. I mean, when- when these l- most recent attacks, it's just because there's a large population of bears there and you can't hunt them. And the good thing is that people hunted them almost to the brink of extinction, and now, through conservation, they've brought them back to the point where they're no longer endangered. But there's the- the dispute between the animal rights people and the wildlife biologists and the hunters, and, you know, trying to figure out what w- what ... How big does a population have to be before you realize that you have to chop some of them down? Like you don't ... Nobody wants to eliminate grizzly bears, but you don't want 100,000 grizzly bears in the metropolitan Vancouver area.

   12. RWRemi Warren46:20

       Yeah. And it's- it's a weird- it's kind of a weird balance when you're talking about hunting and animal populations and then you throw in predators, because I- I don't think a lot of people even understand how humans have affected the environment in such a negative way that nothing will ever be as it was.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       Right.

   14. RWRemi Warren46:38

       Y- people go, "Oh, well, the predators will control the- the prey populations, and so why would we need to control the predators?" Well, we- we've upset-

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:48

       (coughs)

   16. RWRemi Warren46:48

       ... the balance in such a way that if we don't insert ourself into the equation, which as far as we know, like humans have been in the equation hunting since the animals that are in- currently in North America have been around. Brown bears have always been hunted by humans. You know, when you're looking at the way things were, I mean, indigenous people hunted them. People before, you know, settlers and whatever-

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:15

       Yeah.

   18. RWRemi Warren47:15

       ... came in, the bears were being hunted. So humans were always a natural predator of the bears. But the way that humans have affected the landscape between, obviously, taking up habitat ... I mean, habitat's the number one thing, is habitat's gone. Invasive plant species is crazy. The type of plants that grow in places they shouldn't be now, we'll never get rid of those plants. So because those plants are there, native plants that the animals originally should be eating off of don't exist. They- they're out-competed by noxious weeds and other things, so the amount of food source is smaller. So then the- the prey population cannot ... Their- they've lost their winter range because of developments and other things, and then if you just inserted and said, "Well, all the predators will take care of those numbers," so ... Well, that's not true, because the numbers can't get to what they were, because there's less availability starting at the bottom level of food source and winter range and habitat. So you got-

   19. JRJoe Rogan48:12

       So what do you do about the ... Do- I mean, is it- is it possible to kill all the invasive plants?

   20. RWRemi Warren48:17

       No. It's not possible. Not even close.

   21. JRJoe Rogan48:19

       It's not possible. No.

   22. RWRemi Warren48:19

       No. I mean, there's- there's no way that ... Like, where I'm from in Nevada, you- you talk about invasive plants, there's- there's species of grass, cheatgrass, but when fires wipe through, the native grasses can't compete with that, so the cheatgrass takes over. It has less nutrients and doesn't have the same type of browse that the native deer and whatever species, deer and elk need. M- mostly mule deer and antelope.

   23. JRJoe Rogan48:42

       And where is this cheatgrass coming from?

   24. RWRemi Warren48:44

       Somebody brought it over because it was- it was ornamental and it's just gone rampant.

   25. JRJoe Rogan48:49

       Really?

   26. RWRemi Warren48:49

       Most of our plants aren't native plants now.

   27. JRJoe Rogan48:52

       Really?

   28. RWRemi Warren48:52

       You look at ... Oh, yeah. You look at ... Yeah. Most of the plants that take over are- are invasive plants. Yeah, our country's primarily invasive species pla- maybe someone will call me out on this, say that's not true, but there's more invasive plants than native plants.

   29. JRJoe Rogan49:06

       That's crazy.

   30. RWRemi Warren49:07

       Yeah. The grasses, most of the grasses that we have around aren't from the regions. You know, Kentucky bluegrass (laughs) in California? It doesn't make sense.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:09:25

   Oh, yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      because it's a life and death thing. And all, I, I think, I mean, I'm not a neuroscientist, obviously, but there's some shit that's turning on in your head that's like from-

   2. RWRemi Warren1:00:09

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      ... the caveman days. When you shoot an elk with a bow and arrow and you see it go down, you realize, you're like, you're gonna eat this thing. Like, there... It's very, it's very interesting. It's almost like, the way I, uh, there's certain experiences in life where once those experiences happen, you go, "Whoa, I didn't even know that that was a, a part of my brain."

   4. RWRemi Warren1:00:29

      Oh, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

      Being a father is that way, in a more intense way. Like, once you have kids and then you realize like how much you love your kids, you're like, "Wow, this is, this is a part of my brain that I didn't even know was there." And that was like fully lit up and, and overcoming all of my senses and thoughts. You know, there's, um, some sort of strange deep connection that we have. And I always tell people, like, a good way to, that's, that ex- you, you sort of feel that in a mild way without too much craziness is fishing.

   6. RWRemi Warren1:01:00

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

      When you catch a fish, you're like, " (pants) Oh, oh, we got it-"

   8. RWRemi Warren1:01:03

      Excited.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

      "... We got it. Oh, Jesus." There's this weird sort of excitement to it. But people don't have a problem with dead fish.

   10. RWRemi Warren1:01:10

       No. Yeah, it's weird because fish don't have faces or something, like, (laughs) I don't know.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       It doesn't look like your dog.

   12. RWRemi Warren1:01:16

       Doesn't look... Yeah, like something that-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       Yeah.

   14. RWRemi Warren1:01:18

       You s- maybe just because nothing, you don't cuddle fish or something, I don't know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

       Right. Yeah, it's in the water.

   16. RWRemi Warren1:01:23

       Maybe a cuttlefish.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       It's in a different (laughs) -

   18. RWRemi Warren1:01:24

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       ... different, yeah, it's in a, in the water, it's in a different world.

   20. RWRemi Warren1:01:28

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       Yeah, there's something that we have about ... And then, but then there's other animals, like, we're super racist when it comes to animals.

   22. RWRemi Warren1:01:34

       Oh, for sure.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       Like rats, we don't give a fuck about rats. Kill those things. Ugh.

   24. RWRemi Warren1:01:38

       Nasty.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       Yeah, disgusting.

   26. RWRemi Warren1:01:40

       'Cause they have hair everywhere but their tail, so that's just-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

       Yeah, ugh. Slimy-ass fucking-

   28. RWRemi Warren1:01:44

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:44

       ... reptile tail.

   30. RWRemi Warren1:01:45

       Get rid of them.

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