Joe Rogan Experience #1060 - Remi Warren

1. 0:02 – 2:24

   Surviving an 11-foot grizzly: why this attack felt different

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Five, four, three, two... Boom! And we're live. Remy Warren, international man of adventure.

   2. RWRemi Warren0:10

      How's it going?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Good. (laughs)

   4. RWRemi Warren0:12

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Good to see you, man.

   6. RWRemi Warren0:13

      Good to see you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      I, I purposely didn't ask you or talk to you about the grizzly bear attack, 'cause I wanted to save it.

   8. RWRemi Warren0:19

      You wanted, you wanted-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      What is it like-

   10. RWRemi Warren0:22

       (sighs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       ... to have survived, literally being, what are ya, two feet away from-

   12. RWRemi Warren0:27

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... an attacking grizzly bear?

   14. RWRemi Warren0:28

       Pretty close. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Like, you coulda grabbed it.

   16. RWRemi Warren0:30

       Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Easily.

   18. RWRemi Warren0:32

       Easily. Oh, it was ... That was just nuts. It was one of those things ... Okay, I've, I've thought about it a million times.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       I'm sure. How long ago was this?

   20. RWRemi Warren0:41

       This was ... So that would've been early October, or mid-October.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       So you've had three months.

   22. RWRemi Warren0:47

       Three months to kind of think about it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Somewhere around.

   24. RWRemi Warren0:49

       Yep. And, uh ... Yeah, man, it's just one of those things that I've thought about it so many times in my head, and I've always been ... I, I think Steve was the same way, like, "Oh, it'd be pretty cool to, uh, survive a bear attack, get scratched up a little bit."

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       (laughs)

   26. RWRemi Warren1:06

       After that (laughs) experience, I thought to myself, "If that never happens again, (laughs) I'll be okay."

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       (laughs) Yeah. Steve used to always say, Steve Rinella we're talking about, from the MeatEater Podcast, and he has a two-part series on this p- particular bear attack. But he used to always say he wanted to get clawed across the chest and have like ... Not a tattoo, but, like, a big claw from a-

   28. RWRemi Warren1:26

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       I'm like, "What?"

   30. RWRemi Warren1:26

       A little bit of marking.
2. 2:24 – 6:48

   Afognak Island elk hunt: brutal terrain, giant elk, and bigger bears

   1. RWRemi Warren2:24

      Um, so we're, we're on Afognak Island and we're hunting.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      A- and Afognak Island is in Alaska.

   3. RWRemi Warren2:31

      Is off of Kodiak. Yeah. So Afognak Island has some of the largest bears in the world.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:35

      Mm-hmm.

   5. RWRemi Warren2:35

      They're brown bears. They're, they are big brown bears. They can be over 1,000 pounds. So we're hunting elk there. My brother and myself have hunted elk on that island before, and it's just a miserable place to be.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:51

      Well, it's a fascinating hunt the way you guys were describing it, because the, the ... just the fact that you would choose, out of all the places you can go ... You pretty much can go anywhere you want.

   7. RWRemi Warren2:59

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:59

      You chose to go on this brutal adventure hunt because it's so difficult and because-

   9. RWRemi Warren3:06

      Exactly.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       ... once ... Is it beca- ... Like, Rinella was talking about this once, and the way he described it is, like, there's things that are fun while you're doing them, but they're not fun later, like roller coasters.

   11. RWRemi Warren3:16

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       And then there's things that are terrible and awful, but you'll think about them forever and look back at them fondly.

   13. RWRemi Warren3:23

       Yeah, that's exactly what this is. It's that-

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       (laughs)

   15. RWRemi Warren3:25

       ... oh, after the fact you think back and you go ... In the moment you go, "I will never do this again." And then about a year later you go, "I should do that again."

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       (laughs)

   17. RWRemi Warren3:35

       It's weird. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       And what is it about the place that's so miserable?

   19. RWRemi Warren3:37

       Well, it, it's just ... It's hard to walk through. It looks, it looks easy hiking, and there's just this big mountain. Where you can get to with a plane, you kinda gotta climb this big mountain. And the, the vegetation is so thick and it's so steep that it takes forever to go somewhere. So to put it in perspective, to go, say, a mile might take five hours.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       Whoa.

   21. RWRemi Warren3:59

       That's how much verti- ... Uh, like, a mapped mile of-

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       Yeah.

   23. RWRemi Warren4:02

       ... this. So the way the crow would fly if you're just going a mile. And then a- another distance could take you half that time or a quarter of that time, but there's a big mountain in between where you need to go, plus the vegetation, and it's really steep. So you've got all that kind of working against you, plus you can't really walk in just a straight line there. You've gotta navigate around all kinds of stuff. Oh, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       And there's you from ... Pl- pl- play some of this, Jamie.

   25. RWRemi Warren4:27

       That was- It looks like it's been destroyed, and this is just a rough day. Real rough. So that was after the bear attack.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       Yeah, right afterwards.

   27. RWRemi Warren4:39

       Yeah, I'll have to figure out ... 'Cause I, I po- ... Right after the bear attacked, I pulled out my phone and was just kind of, like, recording everyone's reactions. And then I, I put it on my Instagram story, but I'll, I'll try to find it tonight and I'll post it onto some ... I'll figure out a way to-

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       Yeah, Instagram stories-

   29. RWRemi Warren4:55

       ... stitch it together.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       ... they let you save them now.
3. 6:48 – 10:08

   How the attack started: lunch break complacency and the missing pistol

   1. RWRemi Warren6:48

      ... in the, in the piecing together what happened in my mind later. But yeah, so we're hunting elk on this island. Steve ends up getting a- an elk. We hang it in a tree, we do all the stuff you're supposed to do, get the meat away from the carcass. But we had yet to see a bear up until this point. And when my brother and I went in there a few years earlier, we just saw bears every day. We'd see six bears a day. So your mind's just bear, bear, bear when you're seeing them all the time. When you're not seeing them all the time, you get a little lax, and that's where we really screwed up.

   2. GUGuest7:21

      (sighs) Dude.

   3. RWRemi Warren7:22

      Because (laughs) the attack went down, no one was prepared. We were just sitting around having some sandwiches, and (laughs) one of... So we're at- we're filming, and there's six of us altogether. And I think that large group, that six, is what saved us, because when the bear ran in, it was six of us sitting kind of in, like, a semicircle, a strange circle. And when that bear came in, we did that scatter effect. (laughs) And I think that scatter was kind of like if a lion's going after a zebra, they use their numbers and stripes to confuse the lion. It was that scattering of things just going everywhere that, that caused confusion for the bear. So y- I think the bear went in thinking, "Whatever's under that tree, I'm gonna kill it." And it thought it was one thing, and then when we blew up into six different pieces, it just tried to kill everything at once and couldn't actually get one person.

   4. GUGuest8:15

      God.

   5. RWRemi Warren8:16

      But-

   6. GUGuest8:16

      That's so lucky.

   7. RWRemi Warren8:17

      Yeah, it was crazy because we're sitting down, we'd decided, "Oh, we'll have lunch before we hike back," 'cause the day before, we, we hiked a long ways. We got back to camp at 3:00 in the morning or something. I can't remember, 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. We'd barely eaten, so everyone was just thinking, "Let's have lunch, regroup, hike out." So we're... Uh, Pat, one of the other guys that was with us, brought the Jetboil to boil up some coffee. So I was going around collecting water from everyone f- to get coffee, going around, and when I sat down, I took my pack off, and I... The whole week, I'd been doing this thing where I take my pistol from the pack belt and put it on the holster on my body when I drop my pack. And I... It was that weird deal where I took the pack off, and I'm thinking about switching, and I'm like, "Ugh, nah, it's fine."

   8. GUGuest9:07

      (laughs)

   9. RWRemi Warren9:07

      You know? And I thought, "I'll just sit," 'cause there's a few times I'd set my pack down and I was like, "I'll just sit, I'll lay on my pack, like, as a chair, a backrest, and then I'll flop the, you know, have the pistol right there, so it's within arm's reach and I'll be sitting there," while I go around and get the water. And then someone had moved kind of where I was sitting, so now... So I sit down a- across from the pack where my pistol is, and then I'm thinking... And I was thinking about, "Oh, hey, hand me that pistol," but I just was like, "Eh." You know? You don't wanna be that guy, like, "Oh yeah, the guy that's-"

   10. GUGuest9:37

       That needs the pistol all the time.

   11. RWRemi Warren9:39

       "... always has a pistol all the time." Yeah, exactly.

   12. GUGuest9:39

       Right.

   13. RWRemi Warren9:40

       We... Not everybody had pistols. Uh, just me and Yannis had a pistol. And then, and then Pat's behind us, and he goes, "I hear something," and I look up, and that's, that bear's, like, dead ce- So, so Steve would be where you are, the bear behind Steve, and so, like, Steve was between me and the bear, his back was to it.

   14. GUGuest9:58

       Like how far away?

   15. RWRemi Warren10:00

       Not far. I don't know, 30 yards, something.

   16. GUGuest10:02

       So the first time you see it, it's 30 yards, and is it running?

   17. RWRemi Warren10:04

       30 yards. Yeah, it's dead run.

   18. GUGuest10:06

       Ugh.

   19. RWRemi Warren10:07

       Super fast.

   20. GUGuest10:08

       (laughs)

4. 10:08 – 12:21

   Chaos and tactics: the juke, the trekking pole strike, and ‘riding the bear’

   1. RWRemi Warren10:08

      And I just locked eyes with this thing.

   2. GUGuest10:09

      Ugh.

   3. RWRemi Warren10:10

      I mean, I see it coming in the whole way, just beady eyes locked in on me, and I think, "This thing's gonna kill me." And so I'm thinking... You know, w- when I say I'm thinking, I don't know if I'm thinking. I'm just... (laughs) I just remember what I, what was kind of going through my head at the time, I thought, "Oh, fuck, I'm gonna die, and my protection's right there." Like, "I'm gonna die..." This is that sit- situation where I'm dead, and they talk about it, and he could've saved himself, but his gun's on the ground. And I think that that was like, go for the gun, was my whole thing, so I start to go for the gun. Yannis would've been here, as I remember it. And so I start to go for the gun and realize, "Fuck, I don't have time to get to my gun," and it's three feet away.

   4. GUGuest10:52

      Jesus Christ.

   5. RWRemi Warren10:52

      That bear's, like, right there coming down at me.

   6. GUGuest10:55

      They're so fast.

   7. RWRemi Warren10:56

      So fast. So I kinda do, like, a football juke move, left, right, and then wheel around right, do like a spin with my back, and then start running to the left. And at that point, Yannis, it... I, I didn't know this at the time, 'cause I looked at some pictures afterwards to kind of piece everything together. So Yannis was sitting right next to me. I think he got up to turn, there were some trekking poles right here. He grabbed a trekking pole. So probably while I was juking, he reached around, grabbed the trekking pole, swings around, hits the bear in the face.

   8. GUGuest11:25

      Jesus Christ.

   9. RWRemi Warren11:25

      So then the- I see the bear running off, then I see someone going down the mountain with the bear. I'm thinking he's got someone, so I grab my pistol, start going down the mountain, yelling, "Oh, count off..." (laughs) Like, I guess I yelled, I yelled "count" off, and everyone's like, "One, one, one."

   10. GUGuest11:40

       (laughs)

   11. RWRemi Warren11:40

       I'm like, "Oh, shit."

   12. GUGuest11:41

       "Who's missing?" Right.

   13. RWRemi Warren11:43

       And then Garrett pops up out of the bushes, and his eye... He's like, w- wide-eyed. So-

   14. GUGuest11:48

       So Garrett, AKA Dirtmouth-

   15. RWRemi Warren11:49

       Dirtmouth, yeah.

   16. GUGuest11:49

       ... was the one who was on top of the bear.

   17. RWRemi Warren11:51

       On- Somehow, he's on the bear's back. So I think when the bear wheeled around, he, like, hit him, and he ends up on the back. So I saw just legs and bear going down the mountain, while I saw his legs on the back of the bear somehow.

   18. GUGuest12:03

       So you thought, like, maybe the bear had him in his jaw.

   19. RWRemi Warren12:05

       Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

   20. GUGuest12:06

       Wow.

   21. RWRemi Warren12:07

       I mean, what... Who, who would think-

   22. GUGuest12:08

       You'd be riding a bear. (laughs)

   23. RWRemi Warren12:11

       Oh. (laughs)

   24. GUGuest12:11

       Like, if that was in a movie, you'd be like, "Get the fuck outta here. You're not riding a bear."

   25. RWRemi Warren12:14

       (laughs) Yeah. I think... What was that Anchorman where the guy's, like, riding the bear in the zoo? (laughs) That's what it was.

   26. GUGuest12:19

       (laughs)

   27. RWRemi Warren12:19

       It was exactly like that.

   28. GUGuest12:20

       Oh my God.

5. 12:21 – 15:32

   The bear circles back: horror-movie charges and the rescue problem

   1. RWRemi Warren12:21

      Yes. And then we just kind of circled up around the tree, and the real scary part was, that bear... So it y- it was so thick, you really couldn't see. I mean, you could maybe as far as the wall was from us with-... was that a f- eight feet, yeah.

   2. GUGuest12:35

      For the trees.

   3. RWRemi Warren12:35

      And just real thick brush. And you'd hear the bear charge in again, and we only had the two pistols, Giannis and I, and the, the, the wind was so strong, there's no way we coulda used bear spray. So we hear the bear charging in, and me and Giannis are like pistols out, ready, waiting for this thing to pop out at point-blank range.

   4. GUGuest12:53

      Ugh.

   5. RWRemi Warren12:54

      And then it would s- And you were yelling, "Bear, bear, hey, hey, hey." And then that thing stops, and then it would just... You, you'd crash off and then it would charge in from the other direction.

   6. GUGuest13:04

      Oh, God.

   7. RWRemi Warren13:05

      So you gotta like circle around the tree the other way, and did that, I think, three times.

   8. GUGuest13:09

      Ugh.

   9. RWRemi Warren13:09

      That was just a ner- It's like a horror movie where it keeps coming in from different angles.

   10. GUGuest13:14

       Ugh.

   11. RWRemi Warren13:14

       It was weird. It was n- not a fun feeling. You just felt so small.

   12. GUGuest13:18

       So, you guys had come back to the carcass that was hanging in the tree, and it had probably claimed that carcass?

   13. RWRemi Warren13:25

       (sighs) We don't know. (laughs)

   14. GUGuest13:26

       It, it knew the carcass-

   15. RWRemi Warren13:27

       The very-

   16. GUGuest13:27

       ... was there.

   17. RWRemi Warren13:27

       I, I assume. Now, the, the weird thing was, is it came in with the wind. So-

   18. GUGuest13:34

       Hmm.

   19. RWRemi Warren13:34

       ... it... The wind was blowing pretty stiff, and say, into our face.

   20. GUGuest13:38

       Mm-hmm.

   21. RWRemi Warren13:38

       And the bear came in with the wind, so he wasn't going into the scent.

   22. GUGuest13:42

       Right.

   23. RWRemi Warren13:42

       Normally they go around, they catch the scent, and they charge in. So I don't know if he had heard something, if he was there. We saw what slightly looked like bear sign. Both Ste and I, Steve and I kind of pointed it out, but we weren't... We were thinking maybe it was something older.

   24. GUGuest13:59

       You, when you say bear sign, you mean bear shit.

   25. RWRemi Warren14:00

       Yeah, bear shit-

   26. GUGuest14:01

       (clears throat) Yeah.

   27. RWRemi Warren14:01

       ... at the base of the tree. Yeah. And so, I think, you know, we did some things that were wrong, but in, in the instance, what saved us all... Now, if we were to do it 100 times over, I would say I would do it differently, but it worked out how it worked out. So, I obviously wouldn't... (laughs) I would never-

   28. GUGuest14:20

       Whew.

   29. RWRemi Warren14:20

       ... opt to just have nothing-

   30. GUGuest14:21

       (sighs)
6. 15:32 – 19:47

   Aftermath: destroyed camp, hypothermia risk, and the electric bear fence

   1. GUGuest15:32

      (coughs)

   2. RWRemi Warren15:32

      ... what they're capable of. Maybe someone would say, "Yeah, we'd, we'd go." But that would be a very hard thing. The gusts were so bad. When we came back over the ridge to our camp, now we're all on edge. You just wanna get back to camp.

   3. GUGuest15:45

      To put it mildly.

   4. RWRemi Warren15:47

      Yeah. (laughs) Every... And, and then of course we see bears on the way back, and we're like thinking, "Is this bear gonna follow us?" How many bears-

   5. GUGuest15:55

      You see... How many bears did you guys see on the way back?

   6. RWRemi Warren15:56

      One, one other... So we saw a bear on the way back.

   7. GUGuest15:58

      A different one?

   8. RWRemi Warren15:59

      Yeah. Um, smaller. But still-

   9. GUGuest16:02

      A bear.

   10. RWRemi Warren16:02

       After that, yeah-

   11. GUGuest16:03

       Yeah.

   12. RWRemi Warren16:03

       ... you're, you're thinking... Now, before that happened, we're thinking, "No bears will attack us." After that happened, we're thinking, "Every bear will attack us."

   13. GUGuest16:11

       (laughs) Ah.

   14. RWRemi Warren16:11

       And w- we start to go over the ridge back toward camp. I'm, I think at that point I was in the front, Steve and someone else was behind me. As we go over this little saddle, the wind hits, knocks the first three people over.

   15. GUGuest16:24

       Whoa.

   16. RWRemi Warren16:24

       One of the guys had like a pack cover on his pack. Ripped that off and just sent it into the never-nevers. (laughs)

   17. GUGuest16:30

       (laughs)

   18. RWRemi Warren16:30

       I mean, it went up and... It was crazy. I've never seen anything blow away like that. It just went flying. So then we get down. The winds are gusting. The rain's pouring. We look down, the two f- two main tents are destroyed. Steve and I's tents are, you know, flopped down on the ground. I see somebody's, uh, sleeping pad blowing away, sleeping bags getting soaked. So now we have a, a real situation of hypothermia. If the bear didn't get us, this hypothermia might, and we now no longer have a camp that we can just go to. So, we've been attacked by a bear. Our camp's destroyed. We get down there, one of the tents is jacked up. We take all the camp down, relocate behind this spruce, gather up everybody's stuff. Most of the guys' sleeping bags were wet. Uh, we end up, (laughs) like, restringing the bear fence around this new camp. This is after you've just had a full day and been attacked by a bear.

   19. GUGuest17:25

       And by bear fence, you're talking about one of those electric fences?

   20. RWRemi Warren17:27

       Yeah, it's a little electric...

   21. GUGuest17:29

       How do those things work?

   22. RWRemi Warren17:30

       It's, it's a battery-operated deal. You run... Electric fence, it's, uh, like, ribboned electric fence, just like a, just a cattle yard would have.

   23. GUGuest17:39

       Mm-hmm.

   24. RWRemi Warren17:40

       You run that around, and then it's just off of, I think, six D batteries.

   25. GUGuest17:45

       That's it?

   26. RWRemi Warren17:45

       It just pulses. Yeah, and it just... It tingles just a little bit. It doesn't really... If you touch it, it doesn't really light you up. So, I think they just... I don't like that feeling.

   27. GUGuest17:55

       Especially if they got, like, their wet nose, they might feel it with their nose first- Right.

   28. RWRemi Warren17:58

       ... and it shocks 'em and gets them to run off.

   29. GUGuest18:00

       Hopefully.

   30. RWRemi Warren18:01

       Yeah. I, I don't think I'd like cuddle up with (laughs) a dead carcass inside that bear fence. I don't trust it that much-
7. 19:47 – 21:12

   Processing mortality: the terror of ‘thinking while dying’

   1. RWRemi Warren19:47

      For a bear, that wouldn't have been a problem. For us, it takes five, six hours, seven hours, something like that. It was crazy. But, yeah, and after it happened, once we'd cleared the area, I was okay. But, in the moment, I thought, "This is it. This is how I die."

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:04

      (sighs)

   3. RWRemi Warren20:05

      It was a weird feeling. I've had that feeling a few times in my life, and I just don't like that, that helpless feeling of, like, thinking ... b- I, th- what scares me the most is that thought of thinking while you're dying.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:21

      Oh, wow.

   5. RWRemi Warren20:21

      You ever think about that? Like, while you're dying, knowing that-

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:25

      This is it.

   7. RWRemi Warren20:25

      ... that last thought. I don't like the idea of that last thought.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:28

      (sighs)

   9. RWRemi Warren20:28

      Like, that's-

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:29

       Woo.

   11. RWRemi Warren20:29

       If I was ... If you're in a plane and the plane's going down and you think, "Well, I know I'm gonna die. There's nothing I can do." And those thoughts that go through your head, I don't like those thoughts.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:38

       (laughs)

   13. RWRemi Warren20:39

       I think I'd rather just not see it coming. 'Cause those thoughts are the worst part.

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:43

       I've thought of that before, like, how do you deal?

   15. RWRemi Warren20:45

       Those thoughts.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:46

       With the feeling right before the plane hits the ground.

   17. RWRemi Warren20:48

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:48

       What, what happens then?

   19. RWRemi Warren20:49

       Or your parachute doesn't go.

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:51

       Do you-

   21. RWRemi Warren20:51

       And it's the same with the bear attack. That bear's coming in. You have no ... If you have a gun, you're focused on your task. And then if the bear got you, crushed your head, maybe you w- you have that task to focus on, but you're not f- focusing on the inevitable is going to happen. There's nothing I can do.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:06

       (sighs)

   23. RWRemi Warren21:06

       I don't like that thought. It's the worst.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       They are crazy animals.

   25. RWRemi Warren21:11

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:11

       They're-

   27. RWRemi Warren21:12

       They're nuts.

8. 21:12 – 43:26

   Predator encounters and public perception: grizzlies, wolves, and viral outrage

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:12

      I mean, uh, Adam Greentree, who we were talking about before the podcast, did this, uh, 28-day backpacking trip in Montana and, um, Colorado, and w- elk hunting in September, and, uh, solo-

   2. RWRemi Warren21:26

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:26

      ... all by himself. And took a bunch of Instagram pictures and put them on his Instagram story of him holding up a pistol with, uh, a sow grizzly standing on her two legs, looking at him in the distance while it's snowing out. And i- she got within 15 yards. She-

   4. RWRemi Warren21:42

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:43

      She bluff charged him within 15 yards. She was just trying to get him away from her cubs. Different situation than with y- with you guys, because the sow, when they have the cubs, will just try ... They just don't want their kids to get fucked up by you.

   6. RWRemi Warren21:55

      Yeah, exactly.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:55

      So they, they don't want you anywhere near them, so they try to scare you off. Yeah, there's Adam.

   8. RWRemi Warren21:59

      Yeah, I remember, uh, I saw that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:00

      (laughs)

   10. RWRemi Warren22:00

       That was crazy. Yeah, that was in Montana, I think.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:03

       (laughs) Look at the bottom c- bottom, uh, comments. Some dickhead, Chunny94, "You are a cunt."

   12. RWRemi Warren22:10

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:10

       And then his next comment, "#vegan #animalrights." Hilarious.

   14. RWRemi Warren22:15

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       Fucking idiots. I hope that guy gets eaten.

   16. RWRemi Warren22:19

       Yeah, it's not-

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:20

       Not really. I don't really-

   18. RWRemi Warren22:21

       It's not-

   19. JRJoe Rogan22:21

       ... hope you get eaten, Chunny.

   20. RWRemi Warren22:22

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       But you silly fuck.

   22. RWRemi Warren22:24

       Yeah, it's not a fun feeling. Those bluff charges are still extremely scary-

   23. JRJoe Rogan22:28

       (laughs)

   24. RWRemi Warren22:28

       ... because you never know what, if that's gonna be the one-

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:31

       Yeah.

   26. RWRemi Warren22:32

       ... that they-

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:33

       That's it. Yeah.

   28. RWRemi Warren22:33

       ... decide to go all the way.

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:34

       Well, and Montana's had quite a few lately. You know? There was that-

   30. RWRemi Warren22:36

       Yeah.
9. 43:26 – 49:26

   Hunting policy flashpoint: British Columbia grizzly ban and urban-rural divide

   1. JRJoe Rogan43:26

      So, in BC, they've recently ... They passed two, two laws. The first law they passed, they were gonna outlaw trophy hunts. So what they said is ... Because eating black bear is a traditional thing. A lot of people eat black bear. And a lot of people that are ... You know, that don't hunt or don't have anything to do with hunting don't know this, but black bear is eaten by a lot of people.

   2. RWRemi Warren43:46

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan43:47

      Grizzly bear is not eaten as much, but some people eat it. A lot of the indigenous people eat it, or what they call First Nations in-

   4. RWRemi Warren43:53

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan43:53

      ... in Canada. They- they'll eat brown bear. Some of them will. Um, but they decided no more, quote/unquote, "trophy hunts." So you can't keep the skin and you couldn't keep the head, but you could keep the meat.

   6. RWRemi Warren44:07

      Okay.

   7. JRJoe Rogan44:08

      So it was a weird, weird law that got passed.

   8. RWRemi Warren44:10

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan44:10

      And people were like, "Well, that doesn't make any sense," because y- y- people ... You're ... I understand that they would want the people to only hunt for meat. That makes sense. But why not h- allow them to keep the skull and keep the cape and all that other stuff too?

   10. RWRemi Warren44:23

       Yeah, seems kind of wasteful.

   11. JRJoe Rogan44:24

       'Cause it's wasteful.

   12. RWRemi Warren44:25

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan44:25

       Then they changed it entirely, and they said no grizzly hunts at all. And it was really quickly that one, one law change and then another law change.

   14. RWRemi Warren44:32

       Wow.

   15. JRJoe Rogan44:32

       And they based it on a really small sampling. Like they, they, um, they had like a ... I think it was an email sample. Gritty Bowman has a thing on it. They did a podcast on it, but they explained how it went down. That it wasn't ... They- they said 75% of the population agrees, but it's not really 75% of the population. It's 75% of the 3,000 people that- that-

   16. RWRemi Warren44:50

       They got the email.

   17. JRJoe Rogan44:51

       ... responded to the email. Yeah.

   18. RWRemi Warren44:52

       Right. (clears throat)

   19. JRJoe Rogan44:53

       And ... Or online petitioner. Whatever the fuck it was. But they have a problem now, these people that actually live there, like my friend Mike. It's like, y- ... Okay, if you're, if you're not gonna control the populations of them ... Like, Mike had to shoot one that literally had its face in his cabin. He had opened the door and it was literally ... He shot it, like, li- literally right there, like-

   20. RWRemi Warren45:13

       Wow.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:13

       ... right where you are. It was trying to come in his cabin and he shot it.

   22. RWRemi Warren45:16

       Yeah, I think that the reason there's ... I- I've- I've heard that there's ... More people are attacked or affected by black bears-

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       Yeah.

   24. RWRemi Warren45:25

       ... than grizzly bears or brown bears, but it's just that not as many people live in proximity to them.

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       Right.

   26. RWRemi Warren45:30

       If you put a major metropolitan area on the middle of Foggy Neck Island, people would be getting jacked. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       (laughs)

   28. RWRemi Warren45:36

       Just all the time.

   29. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       Yeah. Yeah. And that's what's going on also in Montana. I mean, when- when these l- most recent attacks, it's just because there's a large population of bears there and you can't hunt them. And the good thing is that people hunted them almost to the brink of extinction, and now, through conservation, they've brought them back to the point where they're no longer endangered. But there's the- the dispute between the animal rights people and the wildlife biologists and the hunters, and, you know, trying to figure out what w- what ... How big does a population have to be before you realize that you have to chop some of them down? Like you don't ... Nobody wants to eliminate grizzly bears, but you don't want 100,000 grizzly bears in the metropolitan Vancouver area.

   30. RWRemi Warren46:20

       Yeah. And it's- it's a weird- it's kind of a weird balance when you're talking about hunting and animal populations and then you throw in predators, because I- I don't think a lot of people even understand how humans have affected the environment in such a negative way that nothing will ever be as it was.
10. 49:26 – 1:01:50

    Invasive species realities: Maui axis deer, Australia’s mistakes, and poison control

    1. RWRemi Warren49:26

       Yeah. Well, I was just over in, in, uh-

    2. JRJoe Rogan49:29

       (laughs)

    3. RWRemi Warren49:29

       ... Maui hunting axis deer.

    4. JRJoe Rogan49:31

       Yeah.

    5. RWRemi Warren49:31

       And they've said the populations there just have exploded.

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:34

       Oh, yeah, there's nothing-

    7. RWRemi Warren49:34

       'Cause they don't have-

    8. JRJoe Rogan49:35

       Yeah.

    9. RWRemi Warren49:35

       ... predators and all the, the native species actually are being negatively affected by the invasive species.

    10. JRJoe Rogan49:44

        Now, were you there, um... How, how recently was this?

    11. RWRemi Warren49:48

        Yesterday.

    12. JRJoe Rogan49:48

        Yesterday?

    13. RWRemi Warren49:49

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan49:49

        Oh, so you just got back.

    15. RWRemi Warren49:50

        Yeah, I got back yesterday. Mm-hmm.

    16. JRJoe Rogan49:51

        What is it like in relationship to where we hunted in Lanai?

    17. RWRemi Warren49:54

        It's very s- It's very similar. Different, different terrain, little more mountainous terrain. Um-

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:00

        So, probably kinda cooler.

    19. RWRemi Warren50:02

        Yeah. Lot of lava, lot of, lot of rock and cliffs and some other stuff that goes to the ocean. Um, and then there's, there's kind of all different... There's more of a dry side of the island that's more of that lava-type terrain, and then you've got bamboo forest on the other side. Once the deer get into that thick bamboo-type forest, they'll never eradicate them. Same with the-

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:21

        Wow.

    21. RWRemi Warren50:22

        ... Because it's just like the pigs and everything, they just can't get them out of there.

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:25

        Yeah. Well, the good news is they've, they've instituted a, um, Hunters for the Hungry-type program in, in Maui, right?

    23. RWRemi Warren50:32

        Yeah, correct.

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:33

        Yeah.

    25. RWRemi Warren50:34

        So, one of my, one of my buddies that I hunt with over there, Rob, and he, he started getting some of that rolling where they could go on the ranches, shoot the deer off, the excess deer, and then give them to people that need food.

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:46

        That's amazing.

    27. RWRemi Warren50:46

        Which it, they should be able to.

    28. JRJoe Rogan50:48

        Sure.

    29. RWRemi Warren50:49

        Why, why not? It's the, some of the best-tasting meat there is.

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:52

        Yeah.
11. 1:01:50 – 1:08:38

    From ‘Apex Predator’ to spearfishing: octopus intelligence and freedive breath control

    1. RWRemi Warren1:01:50

       Well, I ... (laughs) It was funny 'cause today on my Instagram page, I, well, 'cause I was doing some spearfishing and stuff. I caught an octopus and when you ... To kill an octopus, you swim up and you, you bite their skull to kill them.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:02:02

       Really?

    3. RWRemi Warren1:02:03

       Yeah, 'cause-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       They have a skull?

    5. RWRemi Warren1:02:04

       Yeah, it's right between their eyes is where their, I guess, their brain is.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

       You bite them between the eyes?

    7. RWRemi Warren1:02:09

       Yeah, because otherwise it moves around too much, so it's hard to ... 'Cause an octopus, they just latch onto everything, grab on.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:02:15

       Why do you have to bite it? You can't stab it there?

    9. RWRemi Warren1:02:17

       It'd be really hard to under-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

        Oh, in the water?

    11. RWRemi Warren1:02:19

        ... trying to move and it's got-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:21

        Oh.

    13. RWRemi Warren1:02:21

        ... you know, it can, as you stick the knife in, it would move around.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:24

        So everybody does it that way? You always bite?

    15. RWRemi Warren1:02:26

        Yeah, for the most part.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:27

        Whoa.

    17. RWRemi Warren1:02:28

        So, you just right ... Eyes in, you feel the skull and you bite down and crush it.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:32

        (laughs)

    19. RWRemi Warren1:02:32

        Nobody had, has a problem with you biting an octopus in the head. (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:36

        Nobody does?

    21. RWRemi Warren1:02:37

        Uh, at least not yet. Probably after this people-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:39

        Well, the weird thing is they're fucking smart, man.

    23. RWRemi Warren1:02:41

        ... just hate it.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:41

        Okay, so this guy's got one.

    25. RWRemi Warren1:02:44

        Yeah, that dude's a Kiwi. He's a cool guy.

    26. GUGuest1:02:49

        Right between the eyes.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:49

        Whoa. That guy's an animal. Jesus Christ. Imagine if you're that poor octopus. This fucking savage with a beard.

    28. GUGuest1:02:55

        That's where the brain is. There you go.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:56

        "That's where the brain is, mate."

    30. GUGuest1:02:57

        You can see he was wriggling around before, now his dead ass. Now that, folks, is how you kill an octopus.
12. 1:08:38 – 1:09:25

    The drive for hardship: solo hunting, public lands, and functional fitness for the mountains

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:08:38

       Dude, you've lived a, a really fascinating life when it comes to, like, your experiences in the wild. Like, how old are you? 35?

    2. RWRemi Warren1:08:46

       Uh, 33.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:08:47

       33. See-

    4. RWRemi Warren1:08:48

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:08:48

       ... most 33-year-old guys have not been to as many places, experienced as many wild things as you have. I mean, you've, you've really had a very, very unusual life that's-

    6. RWRemi Warren1:08:58

       Oh, definitely.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:08:59

       ... especially with wildlife experiences.

    8. RWRemi Warren1:09:01

       Yeah. Well, I mean, if I look at it, I've spent m- the majority of my life out in the wild.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:09:06

       That's kinda crazy-

    10. RWRemi Warren1:09:07

        Yeah, that is crazy.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:09:08

        ... 'cause you're real normal.

    12. RWRemi Warren1:09:09

        Yeah. (laughs) Oh, I try, I try.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:09:10

        Well, you, you were, like-

    14. RWRemi Warren1:09:11

        I'm not that... I'm honestly not that normal, but I try to appear normal.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:09:14

        Weren't you into break dancing or you were into... You, you, you, like-

    16. RWRemi Warren1:09:16

        Oh, where... Who told you that? (laughs) That was-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:09:18

        Was it Rinella?

    18. RWRemi Warren1:09:19

        ... someone, someone.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:09:19

        Someone told me. It was Yannis.

    20. RWRemi Warren1:09:20

        Yeah, no, probably was. Oh, when I was in middle school-

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:09:24

        But you were-

    22. RWRemi Warren1:09:24

        ... one of my friends was into it, so...

Episode duration: 2:32:35