Joe Rogan Experience #1067 - Whitney Cummings

1. 0:01 – 1:57

   Bill Cosby’s stand-up comeback and public outrage

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      I think what you said is dead-on, that you gotta go straight ... He's gotta go straight African American 'cause white people are just not ... Hey, and we're live. (door shuts)

   2. WCWhitney Cummings0:09

      Uh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      This is, this is what I think. We need to recognize the return of Dr. Cosby and, uh, send a shout-out to him and all the folks at the barbershops.

   4. WCWhitney Cummings0:16

      I can't do this. No, I can't do this.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      You were ... (laughs)

   6. WCWhitney Cummings0:18

      I'm triggered. I'm triggered!

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      (laughs) You were saying, uh, before the show, like, what do you do if you're at a comedy club and Bill Cosby walks ... 'Cause apparently Bill Cosby's doing stand-up again. And like, what do you do?

   8. WCWhitney Cummings0:31

      Why isn't he in jail?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      (laughs)

   10. WCWhitney Cummings0:33

       I'm not even trying ... Like, I'm not trying to be funny.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       No.

   12. WCWhitney Cummings0:35

       Why isn't this guy in jail?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       You're right. Well, because the first, first trial was ... Was it a mistrial?

   14. NANarrator0:41

       Yeah. Yeah.

   15. WCWhitney Cummings0:41

       I can't do this.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah. It was a mistrial. Um, they couldn't agree, which is hilarious. Like, I mean, how many people have to say, "That guy fucking drugged me and raped me"? How many people ... Like, is there some sort of ... Could you imagine, there's like 80 people-

   17. WCWhitney Cummings0:54

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       ... that are telling the same story-

   19. WCWhitney Cummings0:56

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       ... of you drugging them and raping them. And people are like, "Mm, I don't know."

   21. WCWhitney Cummings1:01

       So, and look, and here's what I'll say, like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Get this sucker up to your-

   23. WCWhitney Cummings1:04

       You know, I'm sorry.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       That's all right.

   25. WCWhitney Cummings1:05

       I just, I don't want anything Black and phallic-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       You're getting a little crazy. (laughs)

   27. WCWhitney Cummings1:07

       ... near me right now. We're talking about Bill Cosby. This is, (laughs) this is-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Oh.

   29. WCWhitney Cummings1:11

       Too soon for this. I guess I just, uh, you know, and it's interesting that this happened after this weekend was the Women's March. And I know like a lot of people wanna roll their eyes. And I was getting a lot of shit on Instagram for like, "The Women's March, you guys have to ..." This is exactly the kinda thing that I'm terrified of, is that this guy is now not in jail and he's just like back to doing stand-up.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       Yeah.
2. 1:57 – 5:02

   Celebrity worship, community loyalty, and rationalizing predators

   1. WCWhitney Cummings1:57

      And what is that?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:58

      He's putting it on his Twitter page.

   3. WCWhitney Cummings1:58

      Is that the people that accept him with this, is it people who have their own skeletons in the closet and they see him coming back as like they get redemption in some way? Or maybe it makes them not be incorrigible people? Or is it like a herd mentality? Or is it just star fucking? Like, how do you rationalize that in your head?

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:14

      Little bit of star fucking.

   5. WCWhitney Cummings2:15

      Okay.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:15

      A little bit of dumb people.

   7. WCWhitney Cummings2:16

      The fact that he's famous eclipses the fact that he's a-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:18

      Yes.

   9. WCWhitney Cummings2:19

      ... psychopathic rapist.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:19

       But then there's also ... (clears throat) Do you remember h- how it was right after OJ got innocent? There was a guy, and I don't wanna say his name 'cause I respect him. He's a comic and he went on stage. He said-

   11. WCWhitney Cummings2:30

       Carrot Top.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:31

       He said ... No, he's a Black guy. He goes, "My Blackness will not allow me to think that OJ did it." And I, uh, I was-

   13. WCWhitney Cummings2:39

       Interesting.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       (coughs)

   15. WCWhitney Cummings2:40

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       I was like, "What did I-"

   17. WCWhitney Cummings2:42

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       What-

   19. WCWhitney Cummings2:43

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       ... the fuck did I just hear?

   21. WCWhitney Cummings2:44

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       Like, that is insane. Like, okay, all Black people are innocent? What if a, a Black person comes in and kills your family? Will your Blackness exonerate that person?

   23. WCWhitney Cummings2:52

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       Like, how are you, how are you gonna handle it then?

   25. WCWhitney Cummings2:54

       And I don't know what the dem- or the ... I mean, what were ... Do you know who was in that job? Was it all Black people? I don't know anything about it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:00

       Well, I don't know, me if it's-

   27. WCWhitney Cummings3:00

       I can't read it. Like, I'm just ... I'm sick to my stomach.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       Are you gonna be okay?

   29. WCWhitney Cummings3:04

       No.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       I don't know if it's a, I don't know if it's a Black or white thing-
3. 5:02 – 7:20

   Women’s March backlash and ‘are we not being dramatic enough?’

   1. WCWhitney Cummings5:02

      And, I mean, I don't know. It's just so tricky because it's like, I was getting all these nasty comments on Instagram this weekend. Like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:08

      But why are you getting nasty comments? For what?

   3. WCWhitney Cummings5:09

      Well, I think with what's going on.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:11

      Right.

   5. WCWhitney Cummings5:11

      Uh ...

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:11

      But why, why are they being nasty?

   7. WCWhitney Cummings5:12

      'Cause the ... I was posting photos from the Women's March.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:15

      Okay.

   9. WCWhitney Cummings5:16

      Which was ... The march was about a lot of things. And I think just in the last month or so, there's been a little bit of eye roll of like, "Oh, this is still going on?" You know, like, there's a lot of ...

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       Hmm.

   11. WCWhitney Cummings5:25

       I think guys and women also who are a little bit exhausted or ... I had one guy I talked to a couple weeks ago, a friend of mine, who was like, "I'm done with this." (laughs) Like, what do you mean you're done with this? Like, um, you're done with, uh, sexual predators being, um ...... getting in trouble and getting fired and getting cleansed from our society and, um, po- possibly, you know, stopping from, um, assaulting people in the future. And they were just like, "I just, I feel like this has gotten ridiculous." You know? And there's, I think a lot of people think it's like a hysteria or it's like women being dramatic, um, or something like that. And then, something like this happens and I'm like, "Oh, are we not being dramatic enough?" 'Cause this is crazy that he's just going on stage and performing, like, as if everything's just kind of fine again.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       Well, I think (clears throat) he's a bad example, 'cause I think he's nuts and I don't think it makes any sense that he's out.

   13. WCWhitney Cummings6:14

       I think anyone who rapes-

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:15

       I think he should be in jail.

   15. WCWhitney Cummings6:15

       ... as many people as nu-

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:16

       Yeah.

   17. WCWhitney Cummings6:16

       I think all these people are nuts.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       Yeah.

   19. WCWhitney Cummings6:17

       I think we're more nuts for just being like, "Okay, I guess he's doing comedy again."

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:20

       But I don't think we are. I think most people are like, "What in the fuck?"

   21. WCWhitney Cummings6:23

       Are outraged by it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       Yeah. I sent it to Tom Segura and that was his, his immediate reaction was like, "Wha- what?" He gave me like a bunch of Us. (laughs)

   23. WCWhitney Cummings6:30

       I guess I'm thinking about the people who are in that jazz club.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       Yeah.

   25. WCWhitney Cummings6:33

       And the guy that owns that jazz club, fuck you guys. Um-

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Yeah. We don't know. I mean, we don't know who these people are or what it was like.

   27. WCWhitney Cummings6:39

       Here's the thing, if I'm at a comedy club and Bill Cosby gets on stage-

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:42

       Yeah.

   29. WCWhitney Cummings6:42

       ... I'm like, "I gotta hear what the fuck this bitch-"

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       Yeah.
4. 7:20 – 10:41

   Cultural change since the ’60s and why the pendulum swings hard

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:20

      He reached this insane level of popularity, and he did it in the '60s and the '70s when the world was a different place.

   2. WCWhitney Cummings7:25

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:26

      And I really... We've talked about this a bunch of times on this podcast, I think a lot of people drugged people back then. I think it was normal. I think that-

   4. WCWhitney Cummings7:33

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:33

      ... dropping a Mickey in someone's drinks, I mean, he-

   6. WCWhitney Cummings7:35

      It was common, maybe not normal. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:37

      Yeah. That's, that's a better way to put it.

   8. WCWhitney Cummings7:39

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:39

      I think a lot of people did it.

   10. WCWhitney Cummings7:40

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       And I think a lot of people-

   12. WCWhitney Cummings7:41

       People still do it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:42

       Yeah. Well, (clears throat) but I think a lot of famous people did it back then.

   14. WCWhitney Cummings7:46

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:46

       I think they were giving out pills and, uh, I don't think... I think culturally we've evolved way more than we are aware of. I think we think of ourselves as being very similar to people from the 1960s.

   16. WCWhitney Cummings7:59

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       I don't think we are.

   18. WCWhitney Cummings8:00

       Interesting.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       I think, I think we're way... I think if you go from like 1810 to 1870-

   20. WCWhitney Cummings8:08

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:08

       ... I bet people are pretty goddamn similar.

   22. WCWhitney Cummings8:10

       Interesting. Yes. Okay. Good point. Yeah. The-

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:12

       But I think it's-

   24. WCWhitney Cummings8:12

       ... technology is moving so fast and adapting to that and the fact that we have alarm systems. Right. Got it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:17

       Right. 1960 to 2018-

   26. WCWhitney Cummings8:19

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:19

       ... way different.

   28. WCWhitney Cummings8:20

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:21

       Fucking way different. What's acceptable, how people think of things, what we've, w- w- just s- how people... I think one of the things that's happening, and one of the reason why guys are eye-rolling about the Women's March, is, is that it's a new thing, and this is just overwhelming amount of energy-

   30. WCWhitney Cummings8:38

       Mm-hmm.
5. 10:41 – 13:26

   Weinstein ‘everyone knew’ vs powerlessness to report

   1. WCWhitney Cummings10:41

      And here's something interesting. (laughs) I was also getting shit about this, about, um, a lot of people are like, "Well, if you knew about Harvey, why didn't you say something?" And it's just, it's such a testament to how, um...

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:52

      Who said... Someone said that to you?

   3. WCWhitney Cummings10:53

      I just got... Yeah. Like, I just got some comments that were like, "Well, you knew about Harvey. Why didn't you say something?" You know? "When you knew about it 10 years ago or whatever."

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:00

      When was it? What did you know?

   5. WCWhitney Cummings11:00

      But I, I had heard like, "Oh, he like sleeps with actresses and he like makes them, fuck them."

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:05

      Mm-hmm.

   7. WCWhitney Cummings11:05

      But I wasn't really in that world, so I knew about it, but what was I gonna call up The New York Times and be like, "Hey, I was on Comedy Central for 10 minutes. I have a s- idea."

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:13

      Right.

   9. WCWhitney Cummings11:13

      You know? Like, who was gonna let... You know? And it's also, it's like the kinda thing where we didn't even know what we were allowed to say and we didn't even know that there was a possibility for change or that-

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:23

       Mm-hmm.

   11. WCWhitney Cummings11:23

       ... there was a possibility that anything would be done about it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:25

       Right.

   13. WCWhitney Cummings11:25

       Like, that's how, um, ingrained in our psyche it was and how we just didn't know there was anything... We just thought that's how it was.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       Well, y- first of all, you didn't know him, you didn't work under him, so how-

   15. WCWhitney Cummings11:34

       He did come to The Comedy Store once.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:36

       Oh.

   17. WCWhitney Cummings11:36

       I think you were gone. And this isn't like my Harvey Weinstein story, like it's not close to s- how awful most of the women's stories are. But it is, I think, more like kind of funny. He came to The Comedy Store and, uh, I got, I went on stage in the main room and then I left. And then Tommy called me and he was like, "Oh, Tar- Harvey Weinstein came here to see you. Um, he's here. You need to come back and talk to him." And I was like, I was like already at the Improv or already like whatever, and I was like, "I, I don't wanna go b-" And then the only reason I did not go back... At first, I was like, "Fuck him for just like summoning me to come back."

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       (laughs)

   19. WCWhitney Cummings12:07

       I'm making $22 at The Comedy Store, like I don't... You know. And, uh, it already took me 40 minutes to get outta The Comedy Store parking lot. (laughs) I can't go back in there. And, uh, I remember literally just being like, "The lighting in there is bad. I don't want him to see me." (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:21

       The lighting is bad?... bad.

   21. WCWhitney Cummings12:23

       Like, the lighting on stage is great. Like, he saw me at my best, and I really don't wanna go back and, like, talk to him. I don't, like, know how to do small talk with producers. I'm not ... You know me, I'm like a neurotic mess. Like, I'm not good at, like, charming and whatever. Um, but yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:37

       That is such a crazy way to think of things.

   23. WCWhitney Cummings12:38

       Insane.

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:38

       The lighting there was perfect.

   25. WCWhitney Cummings12:40

       Yeah. (laughs) He s- he saw me. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       Hi. I- i- it's gonna be everything. That's, that's a disaster. I gotta go.

   27. WCWhitney Cummings12:43

       Like, he saw me at my best, like, "Let me just get the fuck outta here." But, like, I, uh, I didn't know how bad it was, but I kn- you know, it's like the kinda thing that it's like, we didn't know what we didn't know. And-

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:52

       Don't you ... You feel a little guilty, though? Like, what you're saying-

   29. WCWhitney Cummings12:55

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       What I'm getting is that you've ... People saying that to you, you feel like, "Oh, uh, uh, uh."
6. 13:26 – 21:04

   Gray areas of harassment, freezing, and how trauma shapes reactions

   1. WCWhitney Cummings13:26

      But it's like ... But we were the same way. It's like, I mean, I remember working on a talk show and everyone's like, "Oh, well, does that count? That's not as bad as rape."

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:33

      Right.

   3. WCWhitney Cummings13:33

      Like, getting granular about it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:34

      Right.

   5. WCWhitney Cummings13:35

      Like, I remember I worked on a, um, a talk show, late night talk show, and a guy came up to me, um, in front of, like, a couple of the writers, and he took his hand and, like, put it between my butt cheeks and just went like, swiped. And he was like, "It's like a credit card machine." And, like, everybody started laughing. And of course I started laughing 'cause I didn't ... Like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:52

      Right.

   7. WCWhitney Cummings13:52

      I froze and I was embarrassed.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:53

      Was he a friend?

   9. WCWhitney Cummings13:54

      No, he was like my coworker.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       Hm.

   11. WCWhitney Cummings13:56

       Like, you know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:57

       Okay.

   13. WCWhitney Cummings13:57

       And it was just kind of a dick comedy writer. And I was like, "What do I do? What am I gonna do?" I mean, at the time, I had no concept that it was offensive. I was emotionally-

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:05

       Right.

   15. WCWhitney Cummings14:05

       ... so numb and unconscious in my 20s, like, I didn't even think to do anything about it. But looking back, I'm like, that was fucked up. But what was I gonna call human resources and say that he-

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       Right.

   17. WCWhitney Cummings14:14

       It just ... There's all these little tiny things that aren't enough to be assault, but are too much to be appropriate. And it's just like a gray area that I don't f- you know, it's, it's hard for us to, to delineate what makes sense and what doesn't.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:27

       Well, it's funny how cautious you are now.

   19. WCWhitney Cummings14:29

       (coughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       I mean, we're good friends, but we were joking around. We, we had these, uh, hover boards.

   21. WCWhitney Cummings14:33

       Yeah, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       And we're rolling around these hover boards.

   23. WCWhitney Cummings14:34

       If I had fallen, you would not have caught me 'cause you didn't wanna touch me. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:39

       (laughs) Right. Well, what you had said-

   25. WCWhitney Cummings14:39

       That's my fear. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:40

       But what you had said was hilarious. You, you wanted to say something about a porn-

   27. WCWhitney Cummings14:46

       That's right, that's right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:46

       ... but you weren't sure if you could talk about it-

   29. WCWhitney Cummings14:49

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       ... because you were worried that you bringing up a porn-
7. 21:04 – 23:05

   Therapy tools: EMDR, MDMA trauma treatment, and ‘activated’ nervous systems

   1. WCWhitney Cummings21:04

      And I also, I didn't... It took me 15 (laughs) years of a 12 step program and therapy and EMDR to even be able to say-

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:10

      What's EMDR?

   3. WCWhitney Cummings21:11

      EMDR. Um, eye movement reprogramming and desensitization.

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:14

      How the fuck would you expect anyone to know what that means-

   5. WCWhitney Cummings21:17

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:17

      ... where you could just yell it? (laughs) Just say that.

   7. WCWhitney Cummings21:19

      You're supposed to... Your fans are so fucking smart and like they're such neurology nerds that-

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:24

      Yeah. But that's off the deep end.

   9. WCWhitney Cummings21:26

      Well, I mean, it's-

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       EMDR.

   11. WCWhitney Cummings21:27

       DMR, it's a-

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       I've never heard of that shit in all my life.

   13. WCWhitney Cummings21:29

       It's a, uh, post-traumatic stress disorder therapy.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:31

       Wow.

   15. WCWhitney Cummings21:31

       Uh, it was started for, um, uh, Vietnam vets.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:34

       Wow.

   17. WCWhitney Cummings21:34

       And it helps you to sort of deactivate traumatic experiences.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:37

       Have you ever done ecstasy?

   19. WCWhitney Cummings21:39

       No.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:40

       Yeah.

   21. WCWhitney Cummings21:40

       Nope.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:40

       MDMA therapy is supposed to be amazing for people that have gone through trauma.

   23. WCWhitney Cummings21:44

       I've been told about this.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:45

       Yeah.

   25. WCWhitney Cummings21:45

       I'm gonna go to Coachella next year and try that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:47

       Bah! I don't know if that's the place.

   27. WCWhitney Cummings21:49

       Um-

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:49

       But it's supposed to be amazing for people that have gone through real traumatic experiences that are just so ingrained in their mind, like the memories of those experiences are ingrained with trauma and horrible feelings. And somehow or another, MDMA therapy allows people to separate from that and, and k- and lose the trigger and like lose, lose this, this reoccurring-

   29. WCWhitney Cummings22:09

       That sounds like a way more fun way to do it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:12

       Yeah.
8. 23:05 – 35:51

   Trump as predator, stimulant rumors, and the ‘nobody does it like me’ montage

   1. WCWhitney Cummings23:05

      I'm super into it. I, I had another friend, um, recommend that and I'd be down because it's also like, you know, and something else I'll say, not to speak for all women, like I'm not the face of all women, but like with this administration, if you're a sexual trauma survivor, seeing this fucking guy on the news every day can be really triggering. Like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:22

      Did you see his post about the Women's March?

   3. WCWhitney Cummings23:24

      I, I...

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:24

      His Twitter post was hilarious.

   5. WCWhitney Cummings23:26

      Joe, I literally can't read the news anymore 'cause I'm too activated and I'm just... I'm, I'm, I'm going crazy.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:32

      Ooh, activated. Yeah.

   7. WCWhitney Cummings23:32

      I'm way too activated. Like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:33

      Activated.

   9. WCWhitney Cummings23:33

      ... e- for his f- seeing a sexual predator or someone I deem to be a sexual predator with all the women that have come forward in the news every day is activating my trauma response of-

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:41

       I think he's a predator.

   11. WCWhitney Cummings23:43

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan23:43

       I don't think it's just sexual.

   13. WCWhitney Cummings23:45

       In general, he's a predator.

   14. JRJoe Rogan23:46

       I think he's a predator in business. I think he's a predator in-

   15. WCWhitney Cummings23:48

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:48

       ... politics. I think he's... I mean, if you look at the way he campaigned, you know, like about the Hillary Clinton, "Lock her up, lock her up."

   17. WCWhitney Cummings23:55

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:55

       His, he's predatory. He finds-

   19. WCWhitney Cummings23:57

       Yes, correct. He's a bully.

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:58

       Yeah. Well, he, he's a, he's a fucking winner.

   21. WCWhitney Cummings24:00

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:00

       I hate to say it that way.

   23. WCWhitney Cummings24:01

       It's an... Can I tell you... And I was... Do you remember, um, I think it was... I don't know if this was the primaries or... It was like when Ben Carson was still in the mix-

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:08

       Mm-hmm.

   25. WCWhitney Cummings24:08

       ... and they were all lined up. And I remember, um, seeing... And this was when we all thought it was like a joke. And he called all of them out. He was like, "You've asked me for money and you've asked me for money and you've asked me for money."

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:19

       Mm-hmm.

   27. WCWhitney Cummings24:19

       And I was like, "That's fucking hot."

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:21

       Mm-hmm.

   29. WCWhitney Cummings24:21

       Like this, the, the reptilian brain was like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:23

       Yeah.
9. 35:51 – 39:32

   Supporters, economics, and what working-class voters prioritized

   1. WCWhitney Cummings35:51

      Um, you know, I... Here's what I'll say, and I have some family who voted for him who are in, um, you know-

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:58

      Exile?

   3. WCWhitney Cummings35:59

      Y- K... No, they're just in-

   4. JRJoe Rogan36:00

      (laughs)

   5. WCWhitney Cummings36:00

      ... working class and their whole thing is like, "We don't, we don't care. All we care about is the bottom line in our jobs."

   6. JRJoe Rogan36:05

      Right.

   7. WCWhitney Cummings36:05

      It's actually kind of a luxury, um, and that's, I, I think a, a fair flaw with what's happening with this, you know, women's, you know, movement conversation is right now, the people getting the most visi- visibility are fucking millionaires (laughs) .

   8. JRJoe Rogan36:17

      Right.

   9. WCWhitney Cummings36:17

      You know? That's sort of the, for the most part who's speaking up right now and, like, you know, that's what Time's Up is for, to enfranchise people who don't have the kind of resources to just be like, "You know what? You're mistreating me. I'm gonna quit my job."

   10. JRJoe Rogan36:29

       Right.

   11. WCWhitney Cummings36:29

       You know, a lot of people can't quit their job and they have to tolerate sexual harassment and, and whatever and they don't really have a choice in the matter or they have to stay in bad relationships 'cause they can't afford, um, to get their own place or whatever. But, um, but all they heard was jobs. Their thing is like, "We don't care anything about his character. We think all politicians are assholes. We just want jobs." And that's what he said he was gonna promise and he lied, you know? So they were just like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:50

       Why was he lying?

   13. WCWhitney Cummings36:50

       ... sort of played. Well, uh, he-

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:52

       Isn't there more jobs now than ever before and isn't the unemployment as low as it's ever been?

   15. WCWhitney Cummings36:57

       But he was, but he was promis- I mean, health insurance, I think they al- He... They also thought that they were gonna get this like magical health insurance reform-

   16. JRJoe Rogan37:03

       Mm-hmm.

   17. WCWhitney Cummings37:03

       ... which they didn't get, but there was also... Um, he was promising like coal mine jobs.

   18. JRJoe Rogan37:07

       Which is so crazy.

   19. WCWhitney Cummings37:08

       A lot of my family members are like, "We're gonna work in coal mines." I'm like, "You realize that's 50,000 jobs." Right? (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan37:14

       Yeah.

   21. WCWhitney Cummings37:14

       And they're ... It's starting to become obsolete. So, he promised kind of jobs that I think ... The pipeline and shit like that. So I think that, you know, and they just watch Fox News and they believe everything that's been, they think like, liberal news is a lie.

   22. JRJoe Rogan37:25

       Mm-hmm.

   23. WCWhitney Cummings37:26

       You know? So, I think it's like the kind of jobs that they promised. And I know ... And I think that you're exactly right. It's like, um, their whole thing is unemployment going up is what helps women because more women can get jobs.

   24. JRJoe Rogan37:35

       But isn't it a case where when, when you see like unemployment and, and how more people are, uh, doing better than before and the economy is doing better than it's ever been before, isn't this like a natural cycle? Like wasn't it already charting in that direction when Obama was leaving office?

   25. WCWhitney Cummings37:50

       I was gonna say, I think it's the president that's like four years prior that usually is what caused it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan37:54

       Yeah.

   27. WCWhitney Cummings37:54

       'Cause you can't just like become president, then all of a sudden there's more jobs.

   28. JRJoe Rogan37:57

       Yeah.

   29. WCWhitney Cummings37:57

       It's something that has to start a little bit earlier. I'm not saying Obama. I, I don't know enough about it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan38:01

       Well, that's sort of when Obama got into office, everybody was blaming him, like right away for everything that was-
10. 39:32 – 1:12:09

    Birth control politics, religion, and the broader impulse to control people

    1. WCWhitney Cummings39:32

       And I completely agree. And when I think about that, I'm like, oh, you know, in m- ... And this is just my point of view because of what I come from and maybe it's being a woman, a female brain, whatever. But like, when I hear that, I'm like, the thing that perpetuates that cycle is having kids too soon.

    2. JRJoe Rogan39:45

       Yeah.

    3. WCWhitney Cummings39:45

       And having a lack of access to birth control and education. And this administration is a huge threat to that, an enemy to that. So I'm like, what-

    4. JRJoe Rogan39:52

       Right. But, but why is that?

    5. WCWhitney Cummings39:53

       What depletes you faster than a kid? Well-

    6. JRJoe Rogan39:55

       Is that just a straight up Republican thing? Pull this thing.

    7. WCWhitney Cummings39:57

       I'm so sorry. I always have this problem.

    8. JRJoe Rogan39:59

       Just don't, don't have it like here, though.

    9. WCWhitney Cummings40:00

       I always do this.

    10. JRJoe Rogan40:01

        Yeah.

    11. WCWhitney Cummings40:01

        Why? What does this say about me?

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:02

        Just, just put it ... Make it like a fist.

    13. WCWhitney Cummings40:04

        It, it does ... Do any of your other guests have this problem?

    14. JRJoe Rogan40:06

        Yes. A lot of my guests-

    15. WCWhitney Cummings40:07

        Okay. (laughs) Okay, good. Okay.

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:07

        Sh-

    17. WCWhitney Cummings40:07

        I'm just not-

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:07

        I used to do it before I did a podcast.

    19. WCWhitney Cummings40:09

        It's terrible, I guess.

    20. JRJoe Rogan40:10

        I'd do radio shows. They'd always yell at me because I wasn't in the mic.

    21. WCWhitney Cummings40:12

        Um-

    22. JRJoe Rogan40:12

        But-

    23. WCWhitney Cummings40:13

        Uh, but please-

    24. JRJoe Rogan40:13

        But, but why is it a Republican thing? It's always a Republican thing to try to deny women birth control, to try to restrict abortion. This is always a Republican thing.

    25. WCWhitney Cummings40:21

        Because I think it probably boils down to religion.

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:23

        Yes.

    27. WCWhitney Cummings40:23

        And I, I don't ... I, I still can't understand why religion is the reason that people think women have to be cows and if I can have-

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:29

        But he was never religious. This is what's so crazy.

    29. WCWhitney Cummings40:31

        Yeah. Well, he used to ob- ... I, I mean, I think a lot of it's kind of like Keeks conveniently now-

    30. JRJoe Rogan40:36

        Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:28:49