Joe Rogan Experience #1069 - Ben Greenfield

1. 0:00 – 1:52

   Off-grid smart-home setup: solar backup, wired internet, and low-EMF living

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Pack oats are supposed to be amazing.

   2. BGBen Greenfield0:01

      So he's, like, getting- Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      They hang out with you.

   4. BGBen Greenfield0:02

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Five, four, three, two... Ben Greenfield, ladies and gentlemen. Joe Rogan Live.

   6. BGBen Greenfield0:11

      Bo-boom.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Hey.

   8. BGBen Greenfield0:11

      Yo.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      So it's been a lot of fun hanging out with you for the last 44 minutes.

   10. BGBen Greenfield0:14

       And that's a sick game you have out there.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:16

       Yeah, it's pretty fun, right? It's very addictive.

   12. BGBen Greenfield0:17

       I need to build a really, really big, like, 67-yard-long living room to-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       (laughs)

   14. BGBen Greenfield0:21

       ... to put my big screen in now.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Yeah, that thing is crazy. This, we were talking about this game called Techno Hunt that we were just playing.

   16. BGBen Greenfield0:27

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       So dude, you, you are an interesting fucking guy. You do a lot of weird shit.

   18. BGBen Greenfield0:31

       Uh, th- uh, no- uh, thank you, I think.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Yeah. No, it's good.

   20. BGBen Greenfield0:34

       I don't know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Yes. It's, it's a compliment when I say-

   22. BGBen Greenfield0:36

       I'll take it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Yeah, interesting is a good thing. But your, um, like, y- your background, you were just telling me, this is very fascinating. Like, you, you live way the fuck out in the middle of nowhere, right?

   24. BGBen Greenfield0:49

       Well, it's ki- it's kinda ... I mean, it's Spokane.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Right.

   26. BGBen Greenfield0:51

       Spokane ha- I mean, we have, like, a theater.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       But you're off the grid.

   28. BGBen Greenfield0:53

       And we have restaurants.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       You have a theater.

   30. BGBen Greenfield0:55

       Like, there, there are actual people there.
2. 1:52 – 2:21

   EMF concerns and the WiFi/Bluetooth debate (evidence vs. how it feels)

   1. BGBen Greenfield1:52

      Well, apparently, I- I just-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:53

      Is there any evidence?

   3. BGBen Greenfield1:53

      I actually just read, there's a r- there's a really good new book that came out, it's called, like, The, The Non-Tinfoil Hat Guide to EMF, I think is, is the full title of the book.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:02

      Hmm.

   5. BGBen Greenfield2:02

      But it goes into this idea of what are called voltage-gated calcium channels on your cell membrane and how those actually get affected by WiFi. And apparently, you see, like, a, like, a change in the electrochemical balance across the actual membrane in response to things like WiFi. Uh, apparently Bluetooth affects red blood cells.

3. 2:21 – 6:14

   Structured water, well-water contaminants, and filtration strategies

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      Whoa.

   2. BGBen Greenfield2:21

      And I haven't seen, I haven't seen a lot of, like, actual, you know, in vivo research on that. But I know that I feel better when I don't have, like, the WiFi router going or, you know, I, I turn off all my, all, everything at night. There's kill switches in all the bedrooms. So it's ba- You walk into the house and it's just super clean, you know, everything's HEPA air filters, negative ion generators, no WiFi, no Bluetooth. We, we structure all the water that comes in from the well so it's the same, you know, it's got like that, uh ... Have you heard of structured water before?

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:50

      Yeah, I've just heard about it-

   4. BGBen Greenfield2:51

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:51

      ... 'cause Eddie Bravo just got that installed in his gym.

   6. BGBen Greenfield2:53

      Yeah. It's kinda cool. I mean, the idea behind it, there's this, this cat up at University of Washington named Dr. Gerald Pollack, and he has done this research that shows, like, in plants or vessels, like blood vessels for example, there's an exclusion zone of water, meaning there's, like, a positive charge on the inside and a negative charge on the outside, and that might be backwards, it might be positive on the outside, negative on the inside, but either, either way, it causes fluid to move through vessels in a way that allows it to move more easily, like, like the water is actually charged. So apparently when you drink structured water, it hydrates the cell a little bit better.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:31

      Huh.

   8. BGBen Greenfield3:31

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:32

      Sounds like it might be-

   10. BGBen Greenfield3:33

       And that's, that's apparently how, how water moves through plants.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       That's one of those things-

   12. BGBen Greenfield3:36

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       ... that you hear and then, like, you talk to a scientist and they go, "Mm, no."

   14. BGBen Greenfield3:40

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       And they get mad, so I don't know.

   16. BGBen Greenfield3:41

       Yeah. I, well, I interviewed that-

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       (laughs)

   18. BGBen Greenfield3:43

       I interviewed that guy Gerald Pollack and he has compared, basically what he's compared is, like, how it moves in, in glass tubes-

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       Uh-huh.

   20. BGBen Greenfield3:49

       ... and how if you structure it and you watch it, it, like, the water moves up through the glass tube way, way better.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       Huh.

   22. BGBen Greenfield3:54

       And then I interviewed this guy, uh, Thomas Cowan, and he talks about how the heart is not really a pump, or doesn't act as much like a pump as we're led to believe, and so if you, if you drink structured water, apparently the blood moves better through the vessels.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Hmm.

   24. BGBen Greenfield4:09

       So I haven't seen a ton of research on it, but I structure my water just in, 'cause it's cheap. It's, like, a, it's, like, this tiny little, like, plastic piece that you put on, on your, on your water filter.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       What exactly is it doing?

   26. BGBen Greenfield4:20

       So the water passes through a series of glass beads, like, it vortexes it. So after it ... So it comes out of my well and I've got ... I tested my water and I've got, uh, like, a bacteria-based iron and high levels of manganese. Like, I thought well water was just all, like, pristine, clear, like, you know, like if you drink out of a spring on top of a mountain.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       Right.

   28. BGBen Greenfield4:39

       But, uh, apparently there's, there's crap in the well water. So I filter it and then after it all filters, it passes through the structured water filter and that's-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       I would imagine that you would get some stuff in the water 'cause if somewhere along the line there's, like, a dead animal or beaver fever ...

   30. BGBen Greenfield4:56

       Yeah, yeah. There's dead animals all over my house.
4. 6:14 – 9:38

   Salt myths, sweat testing, and personalized sodium needs

   1. BGBen Greenfield6:14

      I go through so much salt. I use this, uh, this stuff called Mexican salt, Colima salt. I have in my... I was actually at a steakhouse last night and people made fun of me 'cause I pulled out my big, white bag of salt and I just sprinkle it on everything.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:24

      Hmm.

   3. BGBen Greenfield6:24

      But I'm a, I'm a fiend for salt. I love salt.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:26

      It's very good for you.

   5. BGBen Greenfield6:27

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:27

      And unfortunately there's been a terrible myth that's been perpetrated a long time ago-

   7. BGBen Greenfield6:32

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:32

      ... that salt gives you high blood pressure-

   9. BGBen Greenfield6:33

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       ... and it kills you, and-

   11. BGBen Greenfield6:35

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       That's a, that's a real tragedy because that's one of those ones that it was, it was spread in, like, probably, what was it, the '60s or the '70s when they started telling people that salt causes high blood pressure?

   13. BGBen Greenfield6:45

       I have no clue, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       People still repeat it today and they don't understand that it's an essential mineral.

   15. BGBen Greenfield6:49

       Well, uh, th- there's a, there's a new book out about this. I forget the name of the book about salt.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       Yeah.

   17. BGBen Greenfield6:53

       Have you heard of this book?

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:54

       Yeah.

   19. BGBen Greenfield6:54

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:54

       I've heard of the book-

   21. BGBen Greenfield6:55

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       ... but I don't know the name of it either.

   23. BGBen Greenfield6:55

       So, but it depends too because, um, uh, I used to do racing for Team Timex. So I used to do these Ironman Triathlons and they'd bring people in to test us and they would do sweat sodium analyses, where you actually get a patch put on your skin and it measures the amount of sodium released over X surface area of skin, and then there's an algorithm that determines, like, how much total sweat you lose, say, per hour during exercise. And, and some people lose a copious amount of sodium in their sweat and some lose barely any at all. So you have, like, a sodium conservation mechanism that differs from person to person.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Hmm.

   25. BGBen Greenfield7:27

       So there might be some people who store salt really well who might actually get higher blood pressure if they, if they consume a lot of salt. But my-

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       So if you have a, a massive excess of salt in your body-

   27. BGBen Greenfield7:36

       Yeah, my numbers were off the charts though, in terms of how much sodium I was, I was losing, which is probably why I feel so good when using salt.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       Well, that makes sense.

   29. BGBen Greenfield7:41

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:41

       You're sweating so much.
5. 9:38 – 11:39

   Heart Rate Variability (HRV): what it measures and how to use it for training

   1. BGBen Greenfield9:38

      There's, there's a lot of confounding variables, but, I mean, all I know... And, and I test, uh... You ever, you ever tested heart rate variability?

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:45

      No.

   3. BGBen Greenfield9:45

      Like it's the, um... Do you know what that is? HRV? A lot of athletes use it to-

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:48

      I've heard it-

   5. BGBen Greenfield9:49

      ... to, to determine their recoveries.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:49

      ... but I don't know much about it.

   7. BGBen Greenfield9:51

      So it's the... What does it mean?

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:51

      It's the...

   9. BGBen Greenfield9:51

      It's the interbeat individuality, like the variation in the amount-

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:54

       Oh.

   11. BGBen Greenfield9:55

       ... of time in between each beat of your heart. So it's not like how fast your heart is beating, it's how much time is in between each heartbeat. So you can measure that and you're supposed to have, like, slight beat-to-beat variation in how much time is between each heartbeat. And if you have that, that's high heart rate variability. So you can use that to track your readiness to train, your recovery, right? So I use, you know, I use, like, a ring like this or I'll do, like, a heart rate strap-

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       What's a ring?

   13. BGBen Greenfield10:18

       ... in the morning. It's a Oura, Oura ring. Actually the, the...

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       (laughs)

   15. BGBen Greenfield10:22

       Have you heard of this thing?

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       No, but dude just going on your website is, um, such a mind fuck.

   17. BGBen Greenfield10:24

       I got it out of a, I got it out of a, a, uh, crackerjack box. It's a, it's a power, it's a power ring. It's a mood ring. Uh-

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       Oh, I have seen one of those. Someone, someone sent me some, like... They don't just use rings, right? There's, like, other methods of measuring it as well?

   19. BGBen Greenfield10:38

       Oh, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       Or is it just rings?

   21. BGBen Greenfield10:38

       Like, you can use a, uh, Bluetooth-enabled heart rate monitor strap.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       Okay. All right.

   23. BGBen Greenfield10:41

       And that's what, that's what I used to do, is you wake up in the morning, put on the strap, and you test your heart rate variability. And it tells you, you know, if it's low, you might say, "Okay, well today is gonna be, like, a, a yoga day or an easy swim or a walk in the sunshine."

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:53

       Oh.

   25. BGBen Greenfield10:53

       And if it's high, then that would be a day where you'll do, like, kettlebell training or, or a WOD or whatever is it you're gonna do.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:59

       Really?

   27. BGBen Greenfield10:59

       And then the other thing you could use it for is if... You, you'll sometimes purposefully get it low. Like, I have some athletes that I train where we'll work them into a state where they've got really low heart rate variability, and then what happens is you taper, right? Like, you recover, you rest, you super compensate. So you see a bounce back of nervous system recovery and you, you can use that to purposefully adjust the training.

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       Huh.

   29. BGBen Greenfield11:21

       Yeah. And if you train through a low HRV for too long, you can predict illness, you can predict injury. So it's a cool way to, to track training. And you can even... You can look at, um... There's a high frequency and a low frequency component.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:33

       When you're saying you can predict illness and injury, like how-
6. 11:39 – 16:38

   Isometric ‘single set to failure’ force-plate training and CNS fatigue

   1. BGBen Greenfield11:39

      Right? And you do that day after day, you get injured. And the weird thing is that you can have no musculoskeletal soreness, right? 'Cause a lot of time that subsides, you know, delayed onset muscle soreness, you see that disappear after, like, 48 hours. And if you've crushed yourself, like, uh, we can, we can talk about this later if you want, but I've been doing single set to failure. Right? Single set to failure exercises where it's just, like, a 15-minute-long workout, but it's just full on isometrics as hard as you can go for 60 seconds to two minutes.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:04

      Isometrics?

   3. BGBen Greenfield12:05

      Isometrics. So you're pushing against... It's a, it's, like, this force plate machine-

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:08

      Mm-hmm.

   5. BGBen Greenfield12:08

      ... that you push against and you just generate as much force as you can and it ties to your iPhone-... and it alerts you when you've dropped off 60% of what you were originally producing at the beginning of the set. And then that's it, set's done, game over. So you might do, uh, deadlift, squat, press, overhead press, pull-down, and that's the whole workout. And then you're just recovering in between each of those sets.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:30

      So this plate, I mean, how are you doing the, a deadlift with a plate?

   7. BGBen Greenfield12:33

      It's a force plate. So for example you'll have-

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:35

      So you're standing on a plate?

   9. BGBen Greenfield12:36

      You'll have, like, a bar-

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:37

       Okay.

   11. BGBen Greenfield12:37

       ... right, that you're holding onto, and the bar is attached to the force plate via two stands on either, like two pillars on either side of the bar. And you pull the bar and then the force plate detects how much force you're pulling.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:49

       And what position-

   13. BGBen Greenfield12:49

       Right, so let's say-

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:50

       ... are you doing the deadlift? In the bottom position?

   15. BGBen Greenfield12:50

       ... you're, you're standing on top of the force plate.

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:52

       Right.

   17. BGBen Greenfield12:53

       You're supposed to choose the hardest position of each exercise.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       So, like, halfway in?

   19. BGBen Greenfield12:56

       Right. So if I'm, if I'm bench pressing, it's like my elbows are slightly bent as the w-

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:59

       Right.

   21. BGBen Greenfield13:00

       ... just near the top. Or, uh, squatting, it's like the knees are bent at about 30, 40 degrees. So, so you get into that position, then you generate as much force as possible for 60 seconds, or not, when I first did it, I was at 30 seconds. Now I can go a little bit over a minute where I can continue to generate as much force as possible before it drops off to just 60% of what I was-

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       Hmm.

   23. BGBen Greenfield13:20

       ... originally producing. It's a, it's a cool, efficient way to train, but you don't get that sore afterwards, right? So musculoskeletal soreness is not a good indicator of recovery in many cases, and that's where this HRV thing comes in, is your nervous system, right, your central nervous system. Your neuromuscular system can be really beat up after a workout even if the soreness has subsided. So that's where you use something like HRV and you can say, "Okay, well, I'm not sore, but my HRV is still low-"

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:46

       So-

   25. BGBen Greenfield13:46

       "... so this is gonna be an easy day for me."

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:47

       I'm sorry to act like a moron, but explain that one more time.

   27. BGBen Greenfield13:49

       Such a moron.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       So if your, um, (laughs) if your body is not sore, but your HRV is low, it's, what is it showing? What's it an indication of?

   29. BGBen Greenfield13:58

       So if your body is not sore but your HRV is low, HRV is measuring your nervous system recovery.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       Oh, okay.
7. 16:38 – 21:33

   ‘New Year, New Dick’: sex-performance experimentation, from pills to PRP

   1. BGBen Greenfield16:38

      That's what I was telling you. I was concerned about the, the dick cancer thing because of those stem cells.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:41

      Yeah.

   3. BGBen Greenfield16:41

      Like, uh-

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:42

      Right. Well, you shot can- you shot stem cells-

   5. BGBen Greenfield16:44

      Well-

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:44

      ... into your dick.

   7. BGBen Greenfield16:45

      Well, for the past three m-

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:46

      Please explain. (laughs)

   9. BGBen Greenfield16:46

      So Men's Health magazine just had me write this article called New Year, New Dick, where they had me-

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       (laughs)

   11. BGBen Greenfield16:51

       I'm serious. You get the m- it's got a, it's, it's the issue with Marky Mark Wahlberg on the c- on, on the cover. Uh-

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       How appropriate. (laughs)

   13. BGBen Greenfield16:57

       Yeah, ex- yeah, ex- like how to make a small dick bigger, right? And they put Marky Mark on the, on the cover.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       (laughs)

   15. BGBen Greenfield17:02

       And now he can, he can beat me with his, with his four-foot-tall fisticuffs. Uh, a- anyways, though, so they had me go around doing everything that a guy could do to enhance sexual performance or increase the size of your dick or increase blood flow or increase orgasm quality or, you know, they just wanted to find out-

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:18

       Right.

   17. BGBen Greenfield17:18

       ... with everything from, like, fricking gas station dick pills to ... which, by the way, those things do not have in them what they say they have in them. Uh, so, so they-

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       What do you think they have in them?

   19. BGBen Greenfield17:26

       ... you know, they say, like epimedium and Eurycoma Long Jack and, like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:32

       Right. What they really have is Cialis.

   21. BGBen Greenfield17:33

       ... Hor- Horny Gory Goat Wheat Extract. Yeah, it's basically fricking sildenafil, right, the active ingredient-

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:37

       Right.

   23. BGBen Greenfield17:37

       ... in Cialis or Viagra, and then, uh, ephedra and copious amounts of caffeine. So I would take these things and just literally feel like my head was gonna explode. I mean, it's, it's like drinking 10 cups of coffee, but-

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:47

       Yeah, we have a, a friend of ours who predicted accurately that Jon Jones was taking those things when he pissed hot-

   25. BGBen Greenfield17:53

       Uh-huh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:53

       ... 'cause he was like, "Those things have everything in them." And he's like, "If Jon Jones does coke," he goes, "I guarantee you he's taking dick pills." And meanwhile-

   27. BGBen Greenfield17:58

       They're actually pretty entertaining to read, like, uh, 'cause it's all, like the, the, uh, like it's like reading a Chinese fortune cookie.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:04

       Right.

   29. BGBen Greenfield18:04

       It's like, "Maximum Potency Vigora," and everything's spelled wrong.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:08

       (laughs)
8. 21:33 – 24:56

   Stem cells for penis enhancement, risks, and results

   1. BGBen Greenfield21:33

      They had me do, like, the ... Uh, no, the stem cells were the best.

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:36

      Stem cells were the best?

   3. BGBen Greenfield21:36

      Stem cells, but that ... I mean, that ... Not everybody's gonna be able to do that, but-

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:39

      Right.

   5. BGBen Greenfield21:39

      ... that was the best, bar none. Like, they ... So I went down to Florida, and-

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:44

      Of course, again, Florida. (laughs)

   7. BGBen Greenfield21:45

      I don't know what it ... I think it's 'cause all the old people live in Florida, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:48

      (laughs) Florida's just crazy.

   9. BGBen Greenfield21:49

      Yeah. It's like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:49

       It's barely America.

   11. BGBen Greenfield21:50

       Fort- Fort Lauderdale, all the people, like, hunched over the steering wheel is ... But all the guys have great dicks. They can't drive.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:54

       (laughs)

   13. BGBen Greenfield21:55

       They have their blinker on for, like, two miles before they turn, but their dicks are, are primed. So the, um, the stem cell thing was at the US Stem Cell Clinic in Florida, and I went in there, and they extract all the fat. For me, they, they took the fat out of my back, and what they do is they, they have, um ... It's called an enzymatic process, where they use something that breaks down the collagen in the fat, and then they have the stem cells that get separated from the fat. And apparently, it's very, very high in these angiogenic, like, like, vascular or vessel-building, uh, compounds. And so then you get that reinjected. It's high in the, um, mesenchymal-

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:39

       Mm-hmm.

   15. BGBen Greenfield22:39

       ... the, the MSC, the MSC cells, which, which are supposedly the very good ones-

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:44

       Right.

   17. BGBen Greenfield22:44

       ... to, to inject in. So I injected those. Um, or I- I had a, a doctor in Spokane. So they shipped them to Spokane on ice, and they show up at my house at, like, 7:00 AM, right? 'Cause you gotta get 'em delivered same day. And then I had my appointment at the doctor at 9:00 AM, and I went to the doctor, and you know, very ... It was like deja vu from Florida, where, like, I go in, do the, do the numbing, you know, the-

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:03

       Did the doctor know you're gonna do this?

   19. BGBen Greenfield23:05

       ... the numbing agents. Oh yeah. I-

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:05

       The doctor in Spokane?

   21. BGBen Greenfield23:05

       ... I called him, and I went. It was kinda-

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:07

       Are you friends with the doctor?

   23. BGBen Greenfield23:08

       Yeah, yeah. There's a picture-

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:09

       Okay, that's good.

   25. BGBen Greenfield23:09

       I think there's a picture of him in the maga- 'cause they put all sorts of crazy pictures in the magazine, 'cause they had me doing, like, infrared light on my balls, and yeah, like-

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:16

       (laughs)

   27. BGBen Greenfield23:16

       ... I had, like, this big thing called the Joovv light that they had me standing in front of every day. Like, I'd jack my-

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:21

       A Joovv light?

   29. BGBen Greenfield23:22

       No, I'll tell you about the stem cells. I'll tell you about this Joovv light-

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:23

       Okay, yeah. Let's go one step at a time.
9. 24:56 – 30:38

   MRSA and gym hygiene: how infections happen and how to prevent them

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:56

      How'd you get MRSA?

   2. BGBen Greenfield24:57

      Uh, a triathlon.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:59

      Whoa.

   4. BGBen Greenfield24:59

      I, I got it ... This was at the, at the Wildflower Triathlon. Like, coming back, my flight got delayed and I was covered in all these ... 'Cause it's like an off-road triathlon, and I had all these scrapes and wounds. And I think, I think my layover was in Vegas. I don't remember where, but I had to check into a hotel, flight got delayed. And I slept in this hotel room that I swear, like there must've been something on the bed, 'cause within a few days, like it was all, you know, it gets all nasty and cakey, and then it was eating a hole. I wrote a whole blog post about this on my website, and they-

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:26

      See if you can find that.

   6. BGBen Greenfield25:26

      You can see-

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:26

      I need to see this.

   8. BGBen Greenfield25:27

      Yeah, pull up the hole in the back of my leg. It's nasty.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:30

      MRSA scares the shit out of me.

   10. BGBen Greenfield25:31

       Yeah, just, just search for like Ben Greenfield staph, and, and you'll see the pictures. But it was eating a hole in the back of my leg and my, my kids roll now once a week and I buy, uh, I get the, the defense soap from Onnit and as soon as they come-

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:42

       Yeah.

   12. BGBen Greenfield25:42

       As soon as they come back in the door, I'd, I have them go into the shower upstairs and-

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:46

       Defense soap is awesome.

   14. BGBen Greenfield25:47

       ... and rinse down. Yeah, exactly.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:48

       Yeah, they have a bunch of different wipes and stuff for people that train-

   16. BGBen Greenfield25:50

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:50

       ... in a place that doesn't have a, a shower.

   18. BGBen Greenfield25:53

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:53

       Yeah, you gotta be careful.

   20. BGBen Greenfield25:54

       That-

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:55

       Gotta be careful.

   22. BGBen Greenfield25:55

       And, uh, uh, Thieves essential oil.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:57

       Mm-hmm.

   24. BGBen Greenfield25:57

       Like it's like on a, like it's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:58

       Yeah.

   26. BGBen Greenfield25:58

       A whole bunch of companies make this version of essential oil called Thieves. It's like clove and ro ... It's named after these-

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:04

       Eucalyptus.

   28. BGBen Greenfield26:05

       ... these thieves who apparently never ... Yeah, clove, cinnamon, eucalyptus-

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:09

       Named after thieves?

   30. BGBen Greenfield26:09

       Which is really good for staph and rosemary. It's actually named ... There's like this story of like these four thieves that apparently traveled around the world, and they would rob homes and, and, and they never got sick. Like, that's basically the story.
10. 30:38 – 35:10

    Red light / photobiomodulation: brain devices and ‘ball light’ testosterone claims

    1. BGBen Greenfield30:38

       That's, um... And that's the other thing is I stand in front of this light, this infrared light, and, uh, this-

    2. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       What's this?

    3. BGBen Greenfield30:44

       ... this is that- that-

    4. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       Dick light again?

    5. BGBen Greenfield30:45

       That Joovv ... It's the dick light. Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       What's it called?

    7. BGBen Greenfield30:46

       It's, it's, it's called a Joovv. And, um-

    8. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       (laughs) .

    9. BGBen Greenfield30:49

       So it ... They've, they've done these studies on testicular and sperm production, and they've found that there's a wavelength that's like 600 to 800 nanometers wavelength of light that if you expose the testicles to that for five to 20 minutes a day ... It's based on this concept of photobiomodulation. So I originally got into this whole photobiomodulation thing when this company ... 'Cause I, 'cause I blog and people just send me these weird things to my doorstep to, to try. And they sent me this like nasal probe that you put up your nose and it's got like a, a helmet on it. You could, you could look it up, Jamey, if you want. It's called a, a Vielight. And it produces this light that supposedly activates a part of your mito- ... So you have like your electron transport chain in your mitochondria? And there's a part of that called the cytochrome c oxidase. And it apparently activates more activity in the cytochrome c oxidase, so you produce more ATP, in this case in neural tissue 'cause you have it on your head.

    10. JRJoe Rogan31:43

        Mm-hmm.

    11. BGBen Greenfield31:43

        And they were using this in dementia and in Alzheimer's patients, but it turns out it's almost like a, like a nootropic for your head.

    12. JRJoe Rogan31:49

        Whoa.

    13. BGBen Greenfield31:49

        Yeah. So that's me at my desk.

    14. JRJoe Rogan31:50

        Whoa.

    15. BGBen Greenfield31:51

        Back, back when I was-

    16. JRJoe Rogan31:52

        And you got it up your nose?

    17. BGBen Greenfield31:52

        Back when I was a, a young Chinese woman working at my desk.

    18. JRJoe Rogan31:54

        (laughs)

    19. BGBen Greenfield31:55

        Um-

    20. JRJoe Rogan31:55

        Up your nose.

    21. BGBen Greenfield31:55

        Yeah, n-

    22. JRJoe Rogan31:56

        On your head.

    23. BGBen Greenfield31:56

        I like how that guy's just like looking pensively off-

    24. JRJoe Rogan31:59

        This girl's reading a book.

    25. BGBen Greenfield32:00

        ... off into the wall.

    26. JRJoe Rogan32:00

        Hm.

    27. BGBen Greenfield32:00

        She's reading a book. She looks-

    28. JRJoe Rogan32:01

        She's reading Twilight.

    29. BGBen Greenfield32:02

        Yeah. See, that's what I originally get. They sent me just the nose one and I felt shorted because I ... they had like the full head, so I asked them for the full head one. And, um-

    30. JRJoe Rogan32:09

        (laughs) This is so fucking weird.
11. 35:10 – 48:15

    Ayurvedic/tantric ‘no ejaculation’ practices and why Ben disliked them

    1. BGBen Greenfield35:10

       Um, and then they had me do some Ayurvedic stuff, like the no ejaculation thing, which is horrible.

    2. JRJoe Rogan35:14

       Okay.

    3. BGBen Greenfield35:14

       Like where you, where you-

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:15

       Tantra.

    5. BGBen Greenfield35:15

       ... you have sex but you pull out.

    6. JRJoe Rogan35:17

       (burps) And you squeeze it.

    7. BGBen Greenfield35:17

       Yeah. And you like revert like the, uh ... It's a book. It's called, uh, The Multiorgasmic Man.

    8. JRJoe Rogan35:22

       Hm.

    9. BGBen Greenfield35:22

       So I read that and, and learned how to like, you know, pull back, like, like not actually orgasm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan35:27

        Right.

    11. BGBen Greenfield35:27

        And you like pull it inside and then you finish up and you're just like pissed off the rest of the day.

    12. JRJoe Rogan35:31

        Yeah. That doesn't-

    13. BGBen Greenfield35:31

        And then you kinda like can't sleep at night 'cause you're all ... You're just all white. So you could see how it would work, but for me, it's like I, I got kids and my wife and I sneak away to get it on? Like I wanna, I want-

    14. JRJoe Rogan35:40

        Get it on.

    15. BGBen Greenfield35:41

        I want the full meal deal.

    16. JRJoe Rogan35:42

        (laughs)

    17. BGBen Greenfield35:42

        Like so, so I didn't like that, the, the no ejaculation reverse orgasm thing, but-

    18. JRJoe Rogan35:47

        What's it supposed to do? Like when you internalize the orgasm, when you keep it inside, what's-

    19. BGBen Greenfield35:52

        So, this is all based on Chinese medicine principles.

    20. JRJoe Rogan35:56

        Right.

    21. BGBen Greenfield35:56

        Like your ... I think it's called your jinn or your jing or something like that.

    22. JRJoe Rogan35:59

        Mm-hmm.

    23. BGBen Greenfield36:00

        But you have this, this energy, you know, your, your chi or-... your prana, your chakra, your life force and apparently orgasming is an, and- and coming, like ejaculating, is supposedly one of the ways that you give some of that life force away, like you release some of your vitality. And by having sex but then not coming, you're actually creating that same hormonal response of oxytocin and testosterone and all these things that we release when we're having sex or when we ejaculate, but without actually giving up that- that vitality.

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:33

        Right.

    25. BGBen Greenfield36:33

        That life force. There was even, like, I found- I found, like, uh, tables where, like, based on your age, there's a certain frequency with which you're supposed to ejaculate, like- like the younger you are, it's like every two days or every three days, and the older you get, like it gets to a certain point where you're like 70 years old and it's like every- every month or something like that. And so it's- it's- it's kinda interesting. But again, I don't- I don't like that, like I- I want- I wanna- I wanna finish.

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:56

        Yeah, I wonder if that's-

    27. BGBen Greenfield36:57

        But I get it.

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:57

        ... a preconceived, uh, prejudice that you have, though.

    29. BGBen Greenfield37:00

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan37:00

        Like I wonder if you just went into it, like, completely objectively, if it would have some sort of a-
12. 48:15 – 51:22

    Heat/cold recovery routines: sauna, cold plunge, sleep cooling, and timing after workouts

    1. BGBen Greenfield48:15

       ... I have a, uh, I have a sauna. I mean-

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:18

       Mm-hmm.

    3. BGBen Greenfield48:18

       Do you do like an infrared sauna?

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:20

       No, we have a regular sauna.

    5. BGBen Greenfield48:22

       I use a, like a, like a near-far infrared sauna.

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:25

       Mm-hmm.

    7. BGBen Greenfield48:25

       And I go in there 'cause your, your tissue gets very pliable and hot. So, I had a, I had a crane drop a 19-foot endless pool out in the forest back behind my house-

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:35

       (laughs)

    9. BGBen Greenfield48:35

       ... in Spokane. And I, and I keep this thing just, like, super-duper cold, right? So it's like 45, 50 degrees. So, that's like my, my cryotherapy-

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:44

        How do you keep it that cold?

    11. BGBen Greenfield48:45

        ... cold water immersion. Well, during the, during the winter and the fall-

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:47

        Right.

    13. BGBen Greenfield48:47

        ... it just stays that cold. I just keep the lid off, and then during the summer when I'm coming back home and I'm going by the gas station up the, up the hill before my house, I stop and I buy ice bags and I just dump 'em in there.

    14. JRJoe Rogan48:56

        Wow.

    15. BGBen Greenfield48:57

        So, so it stays relatively cold. And, uh, what I do in the mornings when I'm home is I do this sauna, and you asked about yoga, I go in there and I'll... This is when I do a lot of this stuff, right? Like, I'll do some of my yoga moves, some of my ELDOA. There's another really good form of stretching called KORE Foundation, uh, a doc named Eric Goodman, and it's like a form of decompression for the spine. He works with a lot of athletes. It kinda, like, turns on your glutes-

    16. JRJoe Rogan49:22

        Mm-hmm.

    17. BGBen Greenfield49:22

        ... decompresses your spine. So, I- I just use a mashup of all these little moves and I'll be in my sauna for, like, 30 minutes so I'm producing all the, all the heat shock proteins, I'm getting the nitric oxide, getting the blood flow, and you just feel, you feel good-

    18. JRJoe Rogan49:37

        Right.

    19. BGBen Greenfield49:37

        ... when you do sauna. So, I, I get all sweaty and I, I get kinda woo-woo. I'll sprinkle essential oils in there and I'll burn like Palo Santo incense and, uh, you know, put on-

    20. JRJoe Rogan49:45

        You burn incense inside-

    21. BGBen Greenfield49:47

        ... put on, put on beats.

    22. JRJoe Rogan49:47

        ... the sauna?

    23. BGBen Greenfield49:47

        Yeah, it smells really nice-

    24. JRJoe Rogan49:49

        Wow.

    25. BGBen Greenfield49:49

        ... and you can, you can-

    26. JRJoe Rogan49:49

        And you put on beats like binaural beats?

    27. BGBen Greenfield49:50

        You can put on... Yeah, like binaural beats or there's this, this guy named, um, Michael Tyrell and he makes these, these CDs and these tracks that-

    28. JRJoe Rogan49:58

        Even when you said his name, you lowered your voice.

    29. BGBen Greenfield50:00

        Michael Tyrell-

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:01

        You lowered your voice. Michael Tyrell.
13. 51:22 – 54:28

    Mobility toolkit: neck traction, yoga trapeze, ELDOA, and stretching tradeoffs

    1. BGBen Greenfield51:22

       And my, m-... I, I do this and my wife is inside making dinner and we just feel amazing. Like we got the hot, we got the cold-

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:29

       Right.

    3. BGBen Greenfield51:29

       ... and then we go in and we eat dinner. It's, it's amazing. It's my favorite thing to do with my friends.

    4. JRJoe Rogan51:32

       Wow.

    5. BGBen Greenfield51:33

       But in the morning, I do the sauna and then the ice and then, or the, or the cold pool, and then I finish with a quick dip in the hot tub out in the trees 'cause I, I put a hot tub next to the cold pool. And everything's like super clean, you know, it's clean with ozone and minerals instead of chlorine, and so you just feel really, really clean-

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:50

       Right.

    7. BGBen Greenfield51:50

       ... and then I walk in and start my day.

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:51

       Wow.

    9. BGBen Greenfield51:51

       I feel like a million bucks. So, I do yoga, yeah, but it's in the, it's in the sauna.

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:55

        Well, it sounds like you're just stretching. You're not doing, like, the strengthening poses.

    11. BGBen Greenfield51:58

        No, I, I do actual, like, le-... You know... Well, what do you mean?

    12. JRJoe Rogan52:01

        Like standing-

    13. BGBen Greenfield52:02

        Like, like-

    14. JRJoe Rogan52:02

        ... bow poses?

    15. BGBen Greenfield52:02

        ... warrior one, warrior two, warrior three, like...

    16. JRJoe Rogan52:05

        Like standing bow pose, head to knee pose, like are you-

    17. BGBen Greenfield52:09

        I, I do s-

    18. JRJoe Rogan52:09

        ... very strenuous?

    19. BGBen Greenfield52:10

        I'm not doing, like, old person yoga.

    20. JRJoe Rogan52:11

        No, I'm just asking.

    21. BGBen Greenfield52:12

        I do, I do the legit shit.

    22. JRJoe Rogan52:13

        Listen-

    23. BGBen Greenfield52:13

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan52:13

        ... I know you're a fit guy-

    25. BGBen Greenfield52:14

        It's hard.

    26. JRJoe Rogan52:14

        ... I'm not questioning your fitness.

    27. BGBen Greenfield52:16

        I, I do a headstand. Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan52:17

        I'm just wondering what you're doing actually in the sauna.

    29. BGBen Greenfield52:19

        Mm. Yeah, dif-... I make it up as I go.

    30. JRJoe Rogan52:22

        Mm-hmm.
14. 54:28 – 1:00:46

    Nootropics-by-nose: ammonia ‘Nose Torq,’ peppermint inhalers, topicals, and THC intimacy products

    1. BGBen Greenfield54:28

       Before I do that isometric training, um, for, for power production, I've got two things. (swallowing sound) I bought this stuff called Nose Torq on Amazon. You ever hear of this stuff?

    2. JRJoe Rogan54:37

       Nose Torq?

    3. BGBen Greenfield54:37

       It's like smelling salts on steroids.

    4. JRJoe Rogan54:39

       No. Really?

    5. BGBen Greenfield54:40

       So, uh, yeah, a power lifter told me about it and he, he would sniff it before he'll go like, you know-

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:44

       (laughs)

    7. BGBen Greenfield54:44

       ... rip a 700-pound bar off the ground and you s-

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:47

       Oh.

    9. BGBen Greenfield54:47

       You snort the ... You open up the cap-

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:49

        Oh my God.

    11. BGBen Greenfield54:50

        ... on this stuff and it's just like releasing a wild animal into the room and it-

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:54

        Oh.

    13. BGBen Greenfield54:54

        So you release the cap, it's like smelling salts on steroids and you smell and you just wanna go kill somebody or find somebody.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:59

        Really?

    15. BGBen Greenfield54:59

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan55:00

        What is it called?

    17. BGBen Greenfield55:00

        It's called Nose, Nose Torq or Nose Turk.

    18. JRJoe Rogan55:03

        Torquato K, T-O-

    19. BGBen Greenfield55:04

        I forget. It's something like that, like, No- Nose Torq. Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:07

        T-O-R-Q.

    21. BGBen Greenfield55:08

        T-O-R-Q, yeah, there you go. And so I do that and then the other one that I, I, I just made this. You can buy this for like pennies on the dollar on Amazon. Yeah, you can get these essential oil inhalers.

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:18

        So here's some guy just smelling it, here we go.

    23. BGBen Greenfield55:19

        Yeah, oh.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:20

        He can't even get it near his face. He's got it way out-

    25. BGBen Greenfield55:22

        Yeah, no, it's, it's hard. Like, it packs a punch.

    26. JRJoe Rogan55:24

        But what is it supposed to do?

    27. BGBen Greenfield55:25

        Plus ... Did he just do it or is he getting ready to do it?

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:27

        He just opened it up.

    29. BGBen Greenfield55:27

        It's like smelling sal- it's ammonia, so it-

    30. JRJoe Rogan55:29

        Right.

Episode duration: 2:24:47