Joe Rogan Experience #1069 - Ben Greenfield

Joe Rogan 0:00 Pack oats are supposed to be amazing.

Ben Greenfield 0:01 So he's, like, getting- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:01 They hang out with you.

Ben Greenfield 0:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:03 Five, four, three, two... Ben Greenfield, ladies and gentlemen. Joe Rogan Live.

Ben Greenfield 0:11 Bo-boom.

Joe Rogan 0:11 Hey.

Ben Greenfield 0:11 Yo.

Joe Rogan 0:12 So it's been a lot of fun hanging out with you for the last 44 minutes.

Ben Greenfield 0:14 And that's a sick game you have out there.

Joe Rogan 0:16 Yeah, it's pretty fun, right? It's very addictive.

Ben Greenfield 0:17 I need to build a really, really big, like, 67-yard-long living room to-

Joe Rogan 0:21 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 0:21 ... to put my big screen in now.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Yeah, that thing is crazy. This, we were talking about this game called Techno Hunt that we were just playing.

Ben Greenfield 0:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:27 So dude, you, you are an interesting fucking guy. You do a lot of weird shit.

Ben Greenfield 0:31 Uh, th- uh, no- uh, thank you, I think.

Joe Rogan 0:33 Yeah. No, it's good.

Ben Greenfield 0:34 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Yes. It's, it's a compliment when I say-

Ben Greenfield 0:36 I'll take it.

Joe Rogan 0:37 Yeah, interesting is a good thing. But your, um, like, y- your background, you were just telling me, this is very fascinating. Like, you, you live way the fuck out in the middle of nowhere, right?

Ben Greenfield 0:49 Well, it's ki- it's kinda ... I mean, it's Spokane.

Joe Rogan 0:51 Right.

Ben Greenfield 0:51 Spokane ha- I mean, we have, like, a theater.

Joe Rogan 0:52 But you're off the grid.

Ben Greenfield 0:53 And we have restaurants.

Joe Rogan 0:54 You have a theater.

Ben Greenfield 0:55 Like, there, there are actual people there.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Two restaurants.

Ben Greenfield 0:57 Yeah. Well, there's a theater. There, there's a little five-and-dime store and a general store.

Joe Rogan 1:00 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 1:00 Uh ...

Joe Rogan 1:01 Spokane's a normal place.

Ben Greenfield 1:02 It's pretty normal.

Joe Rogan 1:03 But you're, you're totally off the grid.

Ben Greenfield 1:05 Yeah. Well, up at our house, we are.

Joe Rogan 1:06 We are.

Ben Greenfield 1:06 You know, we're, we're s- solar panels-

Joe Rogan 1:08 Right.

Ben Greenfield 1:08 ... and well, and the way I have it set up is we eased in power from the local municipal power, but if that goes out, then it hits the solar inverters and we're full solar.

Joe Rogan 1:17 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 1:17 So then there's, there's, like, a battery panel in the garage that stores the solar.

Joe Rogan 1:20 Right.

Ben Greenfield 1:20 'Cause we're on a, we're on, like, a north-facing slope so you get sun from 10:00 to 2:00.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Right, right.

Ben Greenfield 1:25 So we can't collect a lot of solar, but you store it in the battery so it's, it's there.

Joe Rogan 1:29 So you gotta be-

Ben Greenfield 1:29 And-

Joe Rogan 1:29 ... very judicious with-

Ben Greenfield 1:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31 ... your laptop use.

Ben Greenfield 1:32 Yeah, yeah. Well, we, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:33 Yeah, if you wanna go off the grid totally.

Ben Greenfield 1:35 It's, it's, it's a stupid home. So there's, there's no WiFi. There's no Bluetooth. So everything's li- it's, it's hardwired metal-shielded ethernet cable. That's through the whole house. 'Cause I don't like to have, like, WiFi signals bouncing around. I just don't-

Joe Rogan 1:46 Really?

Ben Greenfield 1:47 I don't feel good. I don't f-

Joe Rogan 1:48 See, I, I've always wondered about that.

Ben Greenfield 1:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50 Like, what-

Ben Greenfield 1:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50 ... what is that doing to us?

Ben Greenfield 1:52 Well, apparently, I- I just-

Joe Rogan 1:53 Is there any evidence?

Ben Greenfield 1:53 I actually just read, there's a r- there's a really good new book that came out, it's called, like, The, The Non-Tinfoil Hat Guide to EMF, I think is, is the full title of the book.

Joe Rogan 2:02 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 2:02 But it goes into this idea of what are called voltage-gated calcium channels on your cell membrane and how those actually get affected by WiFi. And apparently, you see, like, a, like, a change in the electrochemical balance across the actual membrane in response to things like WiFi. Uh, apparently Bluetooth affects red blood cells.

Joe Rogan 2:21 Whoa.

Ben Greenfield 2:21 And I haven't seen, I haven't seen a lot of, like, actual, you know, in vivo research on that. But I know that I feel better when I don't have, like, the WiFi router going or, you know, I, I turn off all my, all, everything at night. There's kill switches in all the bedrooms. So it's ba- You walk into the house and it's just super clean, you know, everything's HEPA air filters, negative ion generators, no WiFi, no Bluetooth. We, we structure all the water that comes in from the well so it's the same, you know, it's got like that, uh ... Have you heard of structured water before?

Joe Rogan 2:50 Yeah, I've just heard about it-

Ben Greenfield 2:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:51 ... 'cause Eddie Bravo just got that installed in his gym.

Ben Greenfield 2:53 Yeah. It's kinda cool. I mean, the idea behind it, there's this, this cat up at University of Washington named Dr. Gerald Pollack, and he has done this research that shows, like, in plants or vessels, like blood vessels for example, there's an exclusion zone of water, meaning there's, like, a positive charge on the inside and a negative charge on the outside, and that might be backwards, it might be positive on the outside, negative on the inside, but either, either way, it causes fluid to move through vessels in a way that allows it to move more easily, like, like the water is actually charged. So apparently when you drink structured water, it hydrates the cell a little bit better.

Joe Rogan 3:31 Huh.

Ben Greenfield 3:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:32 Sounds like it might be-

Ben Greenfield 3:33 And that's, that's apparently how, how water moves through plants.

Joe Rogan 3:35 That's one of those things-

Ben Greenfield 3:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:36 ... that you hear and then, like, you talk to a scientist and they go, "Mm, no."

Ben Greenfield 3:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:40 And they get mad, so I don't know.

Ben Greenfield 3:41 Yeah. I, well, I interviewed that-

Joe Rogan 3:43 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 3:43 I interviewed that guy Gerald Pollack and he has compared, basically what he's compared is, like, how it moves in, in glass tubes-

Joe Rogan 3:49 Uh-huh.

Ben Greenfield 3:49 ... and how if you structure it and you watch it, it, like, the water moves up through the glass tube way, way better.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Huh.

Ben Greenfield 3:54 And then I interviewed this guy, uh, Thomas Cowan, and he talks about how the heart is not really a pump, or doesn't act as much like a pump as we're led to believe, and so if you, if you drink structured water, apparently the blood moves better through the vessels.

Joe Rogan 4:09 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 4:09 So I haven't seen a ton of research on it, but I structure my water just in, 'cause it's cheap. It's, like, a, it's, like, this tiny little, like, plastic piece that you put on, on your, on your water filter.

Joe Rogan 4:19 What exactly is it doing?

Ben Greenfield 4:20 So the water passes through a series of glass beads, like, it vortexes it. So after it ... So it comes out of my well and I've got ... I tested my water and I've got, uh, like, a bacteria-based iron and high levels of manganese. Like, I thought well water was just all, like, pristine, clear, like, you know, like if you drink out of a spring on top of a mountain.

Joe Rogan 4:39 Right.

Ben Greenfield 4:39 But, uh, apparently there's, there's crap in the well water. So I filter it and then after it all filters, it passes through the structured water filter and that's-

Joe Rogan 4:49 I would imagine that you would get some stuff in the water 'cause if somewhere along the line there's, like, a dead animal or beaver fever ...

Ben Greenfield 4:56 Yeah, yeah. There's dead animals all over my house.

Joe Rogan 4:58 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 4:58 Just piled everywhere, carcasses, so I'm-

Joe Rogan 5:00 But, I mean, you know how-

Ben Greenfield 5:01 ... I'm very careful. No, but the-

Joe Rogan 5:02 ... outside in the woods.

Ben Greenfield 5:03 Well, then the other thing is, like, what I get concerned about is, you know, you, you see, like, glyphosate in herbicides and pesticides.

Joe Rogan 5:09 Hmm. Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 5:09 They get sprayed all over the crops and I live in farmland territory.

Joe Rogan 5:12 Ooh.

Ben Greenfield 5:12 Right? So I'm on this north-facing slope and there's all, like, these farms above me, so I figure if that's dropping down through the ground-

Joe Rogan 5:19 Oh, yeah.

Ben Greenfield 5:19 ... into that water, I might be getting some of it, so I filter.

Joe Rogan 5:22 Yeah, that totally makes sense. I know a guy-

Ben Greenfield 5:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:24 ... who got bone cancer because he lived off of a golf course and, uh-

Ben Greenfield 5:28 Really?

Joe Rogan 5:28 ... the golf course is constantly spraying stuff on the golf course and it got into the water supply and a bunch of people in this neighborhood got cancer.

Ben Greenfield 5:34 How do they know that gave him bone cancer?

Joe Rogan 5:35 'Cause it's like-

Ben Greenfield 5:36 Oh, really? Like, it happened to more people?

Joe Rogan 5:37 Yeah, a ton of people in the neighborhood got cancer.

Ben Greenfield 5:39 Wow.

Joe Rogan 5:39 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 5:40 That's-

Joe Rogan 5:40 Scary as shit.

Ben Greenfield 5:41 ... that's crazy. No, what I tell people is, um, like, people who don't have a well and who just live off the municipal water supplies, you use a reverse osmosis water filter 'cause it's a really, really fine filtration-

Joe Rogan 5:51 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 5:51 ... but it takes everything out. Like, it takes the bad stuff and the good stuff out, so you wanna add minerals back in after you've filtered the water.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Right.

Ben Greenfield 5:58 So you get a reverse ... And you could buy these on, like, Amazon, so, like, a reverse osmosis filter with what's called reminalization.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 6:04 ... or you can just use reverse osmosis and then use, like, trace liquid minerals or, you know, sea salt or anything else-

Joe Rogan 6:09 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 6:10 ... to add electrolytes back in your body.

Joe Rogan 6:11 I know a lot of people who put, like, a pinch of Himalayan salt-

Ben Greenfield 6:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:13 ... in their water.

Ben Greenfield 6:14 I go through so much salt. I use this, uh, this stuff called Mexican salt, Colima salt. I have in my... I was actually at a steakhouse last night and people made fun of me 'cause I pulled out my big, white bag of salt and I just sprinkle it on everything.

Joe Rogan 6:24 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 6:24 But I'm a, I'm a fiend for salt. I love salt.

Joe Rogan 6:26 It's very good for you.

Ben Greenfield 6:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:27 And unfortunately there's been a terrible myth that's been perpetrated a long time ago-

Ben Greenfield 6:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:32 ... that salt gives you high blood pressure-

Ben Greenfield 6:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:33 ... and it kills you, and-

Ben Greenfield 6:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:35 That's a, that's a real tragedy because that's one of those ones that it was, it was spread in, like, probably, what was it, the '60s or the '70s when they started telling people that salt causes high blood pressure?

Ben Greenfield 6:45 I have no clue, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:46 People still repeat it today and they don't understand that it's an essential mineral.

Ben Greenfield 6:49 Well, uh, th- there's a, there's a new book out about this. I forget the name of the book about salt.

Joe Rogan 6:53 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 6:53 Have you heard of this book?

Joe Rogan 6:54 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 6:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:54 I've heard of the book-

Ben Greenfield 6:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:55 ... but I don't know the name of it either.

Ben Greenfield 6:55 So, but it depends too because, um, uh, I used to do racing for Team Timex. So I used to do these Ironman Triathlons and they'd bring people in to test us and they would do sweat sodium analyses, where you actually get a patch put on your skin and it measures the amount of sodium released over X surface area of skin, and then there's an algorithm that determines, like, how much total sweat you lose, say, per hour during exercise. And, and some people lose a copious amount of sodium in their sweat and some lose barely any at all. So you have, like, a sodium conservation mechanism that differs from person to person.

Joe Rogan 7:26 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 7:27 So there might be some people who store salt really well who might actually get higher blood pressure if they, if they consume a lot of salt. But my-

Joe Rogan 7:33 So if you have a, a massive excess of salt in your body-

Ben Greenfield 7:36 Yeah, my numbers were off the charts though, in terms of how much sodium I was, I was losing, which is probably why I feel so good when using salt.

Joe Rogan 7:40 Well, that makes sense.

Ben Greenfield 7:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:41 You're sweating so much.

Ben Greenfield 7:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Right? I mean, it's just going-

Ben Greenfield 7:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:43 ... right through your body.

Ben Greenfield 7:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:45 Now going back-

Ben Greenfield 7:45 Plus, it tastes amazing.

Joe Rogan 7:46 Yeah, mine does too.

Ben Greenfield 7:47 I'll... Uh, I'm happy to die of high blood pressure just because the, the salt just makes everything taste like-

Joe Rogan 7:50 I know, I'm a big fan. I love kosher salt.

Ben Greenfield 7:52 They used to, uh, they used to pay... Didn't they pay, like, Roman soldiers and-

Joe Rogan 7:54 Sure.

Ben Greenfield 7:55 ... and salt?

Joe Rogan 7:55 Oh, yeah.

Ben Greenfield 7:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:56 People went to war for salt.

Ben Greenfield 7:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:57 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 7:57 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:57 They used to carry-

Ben Greenfield 7:57 I, I take salt. I-

Joe Rogan 7:59 I mean, it's really kind of amazing that it was just less than, uh, 200 years ago that they figured out how to, like, make refrigerators. You know what I mean?

Ben Greenfield 8:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:07 When was the refrigerator? From the 1930s, I think it was? When, when did they first invent those things? And then before that-

Ben Greenfield 8:11 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 8:11 ... they had ice boxes. You'd have to get a chunk of ice from somewhere.

Ben Greenfield 8:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:15 Have to get an-

Ben Greenfield 8:15 You mean, you mean just to-

Joe Rogan 8:16 ... insulated carrier.

Ben Greenfield 8:16 Just to store stuff.

Joe Rogan 8:16 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 8:17 And before that, they just used salt-

Joe Rogan 8:18 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 8:18 ... to preserve things.

Joe Rogan 8:19 They'd cover things in salt. Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 8:19 And I've heard... I don't know if this is true, but I heard that if you come from an area li- like if your ancestry is from an area where they did a lot of that fermenting, pickling, curing, salting, that you have more robust sodium loss mechanisms.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 8:35 Like which would make sense for me. Like, I'm Northern European heritage that did a lot of, like, pickling, salting, curing, so I would lose more salt than somebody who might've come from, let's say, like, uh, sub-Saharan Africa or Southeast Asia-

Joe Rogan 8:47 Right.

Ben Greenfield 8:47 ... or somewhere they might not have been using so much salt.

Joe Rogan 8:49 Yeah, that totally-

Ben Greenfield 8:50 So...

Joe Rogan 8:50 ... makes sense.

Ben Greenfield 8:50 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:51 So, with this wifi thing, I wanna go back to that, um, 'cause I've always wondered. There's, there's not a long history of use, of human use, of wifi.

Ben Greenfield 8:58 No.

Joe Rogan 8:59 And one of the things... It sounds so hippy dippy.

Ben Greenfield 9:00 It's like the stem cells we were talking about, right?

Joe Rogan 9:02 Right. Exactly.

Ben Greenfield 9:02 There, there's not a lot of, lot of studies on that either.

Joe Rogan 9:04 90-year-old-

Ben Greenfield 9:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:05 ... dude's running around that's been doing-

Ben Greenfield 9:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:06 ... stem cells for 60 years.

Ben Greenfield 9:06 Right. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 9:07 Yeah. But the wifi, like, when... It sounds hippy dippy, but if you go somewhere like Prince of Wales, Alaska, and you're on-

Ben Greenfield 9:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:15 ... on a mountaintop-

Ben Greenfield 9:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:16 ... it feels different.

Ben Greenfield 9:17 Oh, totally it does.

Joe Rogan 9:18 There's no radio. There's no wifi. There's no DirecTVs getting to you. There's nothing.

Ben Greenfield 9:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:23 And that f- it feels different up there.

Ben Greenfield 9:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:26 It just-

Ben Greenfield 9:26 Well, you're also... I mean, like, you're grounding and earthing-

Joe Rogan 9:29 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 9:29 ... right? And you're, you're, uh, you're breathing a lot more negative ions 'cause you're outside in the fresh air and-

Joe Rogan 9:35 Really? For sure.

Ben Greenfield 9:36 ... when you're not... You don't have all the emails jumping out from your inbox.

Joe Rogan 9:38 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 9:38 There's, there's a lot of confounding variables, but, I mean, all I know... And, and I test, uh... You ever, you ever tested heart rate variability?

Joe Rogan 9:45 No.

Ben Greenfield 9:45 Like it's the, um... Do you know what that is? HRV? A lot of athletes use it to-

Joe Rogan 9:48 I've heard it-

Ben Greenfield 9:49 ... to, to determine their recoveries.

Joe Rogan 9:49 ... but I don't know much about it.

Ben Greenfield 9:51 So it's the... What does it mean?

Joe Rogan 9:51 It's the...

Ben Greenfield 9:51 It's the interbeat individuality, like the variation in the amount-

Joe Rogan 9:54 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 9:55 ... of time in between each beat of your heart. So it's not like how fast your heart is beating, it's how much time is in between each heartbeat. So you can measure that and you're supposed to have, like, slight beat-to-beat variation in how much time is between each heartbeat. And if you have that, that's high heart rate variability. So you can use that to track your readiness to train, your recovery, right? So I use, you know, I use, like, a ring like this or I'll do, like, a heart rate strap-

Joe Rogan 10:18 What's a ring?

Ben Greenfield 10:18 ... in the morning. It's a Oura, Oura ring. Actually the, the...

Joe Rogan 10:22 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 10:22 Have you heard of this thing?

Joe Rogan 10:23 No, but dude just going on your website is, um, such a mind fuck.

Ben Greenfield 10:24 I got it out of a, I got it out of a, a, uh, crackerjack box. It's a, it's a power, it's a power ring. It's a mood ring. Uh-

Joe Rogan 10:31 Oh, I have seen one of those. Someone, someone sent me some, like... They don't just use rings, right? There's, like, other methods of measuring it as well?

Ben Greenfield 10:38 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:38 Or is it just rings?

Ben Greenfield 10:38 Like, you can use a, uh, Bluetooth-enabled heart rate monitor strap.

Joe Rogan 10:41 Okay. All right.

Ben Greenfield 10:41 And that's what, that's what I used to do, is you wake up in the morning, put on the strap, and you test your heart rate variability. And it tells you, you know, if it's low, you might say, "Okay, well today is gonna be, like, a, a yoga day or an easy swim or a walk in the sunshine."

Joe Rogan 10:53 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 10:53 And if it's high, then that would be a day where you'll do, like, kettlebell training or, or a WOD or whatever is it you're gonna do.

Joe Rogan 10:59 Really?

Ben Greenfield 10:59 And then the other thing you could use it for is if... You, you'll sometimes purposefully get it low. Like, I have some athletes that I train where we'll work them into a state where they've got really low heart rate variability, and then what happens is you taper, right? Like, you recover, you rest, you super compensate. So you see a bounce back of nervous system recovery and you, you can use that to purposefully adjust the training.

Joe Rogan 11:21 Huh.

Ben Greenfield 11:21 Yeah. And if you train through a low HRV for too long, you can predict illness, you can predict injury. So it's a cool way to, to track training. And you can even... You can look at, um... There's a high frequency and a low frequency component.

Joe Rogan 11:33 When you're saying you can predict illness and injury, like how-

Ben Greenfield 11:35 Mea-

Joe Rogan 11:35 ... how so?

Ben Greenfield 11:35 Meaning, meaning, like, my HRV is low but, but screw it, I'm gonna go train anyways.

Joe Rogan 11:39 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 11:39 Right? And you do that day after day, you get injured. And the weird thing is that you can have no musculoskeletal soreness, right? 'Cause a lot of time that subsides, you know, delayed onset muscle soreness, you see that disappear after, like, 48 hours. And if you've crushed yourself, like, uh, we can, we can talk about this later if you want, but I've been doing single set to failure. Right? Single set to failure exercises where it's just, like, a 15-minute-long workout, but it's just full on isometrics as hard as you can go for 60 seconds to two minutes.

Joe Rogan 12:04 Isometrics?

Ben Greenfield 12:05 Isometrics. So you're pushing against... It's a, it's, like, this force plate machine-

Joe Rogan 12:08 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 12:08 ... that you push against and you just generate as much force as you can and it ties to your iPhone-... and it alerts you when you've dropped off 60% of what you were originally producing at the beginning of the set. And then that's it, set's done, game over. So you might do, uh, deadlift, squat, press, overhead press, pull-down, and that's the whole workout. And then you're just recovering in between each of those sets.

Joe Rogan 12:30 So this plate, I mean, how are you doing the, a deadlift with a plate?

Ben Greenfield 12:33 It's a force plate. So for example you'll have-

Joe Rogan 12:35 So you're standing on a plate?

Ben Greenfield 12:36 You'll have, like, a bar-

Joe Rogan 12:37 Okay.

Ben Greenfield 12:37 ... right, that you're holding onto, and the bar is attached to the force plate via two stands on either, like two pillars on either side of the bar. And you pull the bar and then the force plate detects how much force you're pulling.

Joe Rogan 12:49 And what position-

Ben Greenfield 12:49 Right, so let's say-

Joe Rogan 12:50 ... are you doing the deadlift? In the bottom position?

Ben Greenfield 12:50 ... you're, you're standing on top of the force plate.

Joe Rogan 12:52 Right.

Ben Greenfield 12:53 You're supposed to choose the hardest position of each exercise.

Joe Rogan 12:55 So, like, halfway in?

Ben Greenfield 12:56 Right. So if I'm, if I'm bench pressing, it's like my elbows are slightly bent as the w-

Joe Rogan 12:59 Right.

Ben Greenfield 13:00 ... just near the top. Or, uh, squatting, it's like the knees are bent at about 30, 40 degrees. So, so you get into that position, then you generate as much force as possible for 60 seconds, or not, when I first did it, I was at 30 seconds. Now I can go a little bit over a minute where I can continue to generate as much force as possible before it drops off to just 60% of what I was-

Joe Rogan 13:20 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 13:20 ... originally producing. It's a, it's a cool, efficient way to train, but you don't get that sore afterwards, right? So musculoskeletal soreness is not a good indicator of recovery in many cases, and that's where this HRV thing comes in, is your nervous system, right, your central nervous system. Your neuromuscular system can be really beat up after a workout even if the soreness has subsided. So that's where you use something like HRV and you can say, "Okay, well, I'm not sore, but my HRV is still low-"

Joe Rogan 13:46 So-

Ben Greenfield 13:46 "... so this is gonna be an easy day for me."

Joe Rogan 13:47 I'm sorry to act like a moron, but explain that one more time.

Ben Greenfield 13:49 Such a moron.

Joe Rogan 13:49 So if your, um, (laughs) if your body is not sore, but your HRV is low, it's, what is it showing? What's it an indication of?

Ben Greenfield 13:58 So if your body is not sore but your HRV is low, HRV is measuring your nervous system recovery.

Joe Rogan 14:03 Oh, okay.

Ben Greenfield 14:03 Right? So, so you might not be fully recovered. So what I'm saying is, like, musculoskeletal soreness or discomfort is not necessarily the best indicator of whether you're fully recovered. You have to test the nervous system too.

Joe Rogan 14:16 That's so weird.

Ben Greenfield 14:16 And that's where something like-

Joe Rogan 14:17 I've never even heard of someone doing that before.

Ben Greenfield 14:17 ... like an HRV measurement comes in. And, and coming full circle, I've noticed when I do those morning measurements and I'm traveling or I've got the WiFi enabled at my house, my HRV is low. So it's affecting my nervous system somehow.

Joe Rogan 14:30 Is the Wi-

Ben Greenfield 14:30 So-

Joe Rogan 14:30 Do you think the WiFi's a mind fuck or do you think it's really doing something too?

Ben Greenfield 14:33 I think it's doing something, but then there's the pl-

Joe Rogan 14:35 In this room, do you feel it?

Ben Greenfield 14:36 ... there's the placebo effect. I feel it. It's surging-

Joe Rogan 14:38 Do you feel it in this room?

Ben Greenfield 14:39 I feel really ... I f- it's, uh, yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 14:41 I'm trying to feel it.

Ben Greenfield 14:42 That's why you're a moron right now.

Joe Rogan 14:43 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 14:43 You've got the WiFi going.

Joe Rogan 14:44 What's, what's going on, Jamie? What do you got there?

Ben Greenfield 14:45 It's my HRV off of my i- uh, iPhone. Oh, you just ta- what'd you use the-

Joe Rogan 14:48 How do you not have it on?

Ben Greenfield 14:48 I have it on, I have it on- Did you use the fingertip? ... I have it on my Apple Watch.

Joe Rogan 14:51 Oh, what?

Ben Greenfield 14:51 So-

Joe Rogan 14:51 The Apple Watch tests your HRV?

Ben Greenfield 14:53 Yeah, so it's been doing it the whole time- But it's- ... I've had it on. ... but it's paradoxical-

Joe Rogan 14:56 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 14:56 ... 'cause the Apple Watch is making WiFi. So, you know.

Joe Rogan 14:59 Jesus Christ, you can't win.

Ben Greenfield 15:00 It's so confusing.

Joe Rogan 15:01 God damn it, Doug Greenfield.

Ben Greenfield 15:02 Yeah, yeah. No, that's why I was telling you about this, this ring. Uh, I bought this in Finland, like, three years ago 'cause I wanted, like, a body tracking device. I want to track my HRV and I wanna track my sleep cycles, but I don't like sleeping all night 'cause, like, I sleep with my, kinda like my hand tucked down by my dick, you know, like in, in by my cri- I don't want something just, like-

Joe Rogan 15:20 You sleep like this?

Ben Greenfield 15:21 I kinda s- I sleep on my side-

Joe Rogan 15:23 Like, you can't stop dreaming of-

Ben Greenfield 15:23 ... with my hands tucked, like, underneath me. And they're, uh, and literally, like, my right hand is right down around my balls basically while I'm sleeping, and I didn't want something just, like, blasting me-

Joe Rogan 15:34 That makes sense.

Ben Greenfield 15:35 ... the whole time I was sleeping.

Joe Rogan 15:35 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 15:36 So, so, 'cause if it w- if it was on my wrist or on my finger, wherever. So this has, like, a built-in computer and you can put it in airplane mode and it'll still collect all the HRV data and everything else, then when you wanna take it out of airplane mode and sync it to your phone and upload all your sleep data or your HRV data or anything else, you can do it.

Joe Rogan 15:51 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 15:51 So, th- so that's, that's why I wear this ring instead of, like, a Fitbit or a Jawbone or, or, or Jamie's stupid-

Joe Rogan 15:57 Yeah, I-

Ben Greenfield 15:58 ... Apple Watch.

Joe Rogan 15:58 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 15:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:59 I never know whether or not I'm being ridiculous with this stuff, like with worrying-

Ben Greenfield 16:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:03 ... about phones being in your pocket-

Ben Greenfield 16:04 I mean, like-

Joe Rogan 16:05 ... if you get butt cancer.

Ben Greenfield 16:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:07 You know, 'cause if someone, some dude told me that once, that he got cancer, I think it was testicle cancer-

Ben Greenfield 16:10 Yep, uh, cancer.

Joe Rogan 16:11 ... on his right side and the, the, the guy-

Ben Greenfield 16:13 Uh.

Joe Rogan 16:13 ... was saying, "Do you keep your phone in your right pocket?" He's like, "Yes, I do." And the doctor was telling him that, and I was like, "How the fuck does the doctor know?" Like, this is not proven stuff, like, this is all real speculation, right?

Ben Greenfield 16:23 I mean, eh-

Joe Rogan 16:24 Isn't it?

Ben Greenfield 16:24 ... i- i- it's tricky 'cause, I mean, you could say it about the bone cancer on the golf course, right? But, but a lot of people got it, so.

Joe Rogan 16:28 But that, I think there was a class action lawsuit there-

Ben Greenfield 16:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:30 ... 'cause I think they tested the water-

Ben Greenfield 16:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:32 ... and it was whatever the fuck the stuff that they used-

Ben Greenfield 16:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:34 ... for fertilizer or, um, uh, pesticides.

Ben Greenfield 16:38 That's what I was telling you. I was concerned about the, the dick cancer thing because of those stem cells.

Joe Rogan 16:41 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 16:41 Like, uh-

Joe Rogan 16:42 Right. Well, you shot can- you shot stem cells-

Ben Greenfield 16:44 Well-

Joe Rogan 16:44 ... into your dick.

Ben Greenfield 16:45 Well, for the past three m-

Joe Rogan 16:46 Please explain. (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 16:46 So Men's Health magazine just had me write this article called New Year, New Dick, where they had me-

Joe Rogan 16:51 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 16:51 I'm serious. You get the m- it's got a, it's, it's the issue with Marky Mark Wahlberg on the c- on, on the cover. Uh-

Joe Rogan 16:57 How appropriate. (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 16:57 Yeah, ex- yeah, ex- like how to make a small dick bigger, right? And they put Marky Mark on the, on the cover.

Joe Rogan 17:02 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 17:02 And now he can, he can beat me with his, with his four-foot-tall fisticuffs. Uh, a- anyways, though, so they had me go around doing everything that a guy could do to enhance sexual performance or increase the size of your dick or increase blood flow or increase orgasm quality or, you know, they just wanted to find out-

Joe Rogan 17:18 Right.

Ben Greenfield 17:18 ... with everything from, like, fricking gas station dick pills to ... which, by the way, those things do not have in them what they say they have in them. Uh, so, so they-

Joe Rogan 17:26 What do you think they have in them?

Ben Greenfield 17:26 ... you know, they say, like epimedium and Eurycoma Long Jack and, like-

Joe Rogan 17:32 Right. What they really have is Cialis.

Ben Greenfield 17:33 ... Hor- Horny Gory Goat Wheat Extract. Yeah, it's basically fricking sildenafil, right, the active ingredient-

Joe Rogan 17:37 Right.

Ben Greenfield 17:37 ... in Cialis or Viagra, and then, uh, ephedra and copious amounts of caffeine. So I would take these things and just literally feel like my head was gonna explode. I mean, it's, it's like drinking 10 cups of coffee, but-

Joe Rogan 17:47 Yeah, we have a, a friend of ours who predicted accurately that Jon Jones was taking those things when he pissed hot-

Ben Greenfield 17:53 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 17:53 ... 'cause he was like, "Those things have everything in them." And he's like, "If Jon Jones does coke," he goes, "I guarantee you he's taking dick pills." And meanwhile-

Ben Greenfield 17:58 They're actually pretty entertaining to read, like, uh, 'cause it's all, like the, the, uh, like it's like reading a Chinese fortune cookie.

Joe Rogan 18:04 Right.

Ben Greenfield 18:04 It's like, "Maximum Potency Vigora," and everything's spelled wrong.

Joe Rogan 18:08 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 18:08 Uh, but the, uh, so they had me doing that. They did, um-

Joe Rogan 18:11 Did you do an analysis of the ingredients? Did you actually get it tested?

Ben Greenfield 18:14 No. No. We, we went to all these labs. They wouldn't let us actually test-

Joe Rogan 18:18 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 18:18 ... but apparently the FDA has tested them and if you go to the fda.gov website they have, like, these, these warnings out about the actual ingredients. So we took the five that they had warnings about and tested them and, and, and-

Joe Rogan 18:29 (laughs) The dangerous ones.

Ben Greenfield 18:30 Yeah, yeah, and they, um ... Yeah, you don't feel well. You feel like your head's gonna explode and your hands get-

Joe Rogan 18:34 Ugh.

Ben Greenfield 18:34 ... all cold and clammy. And some of them said it ... I don't know why, but they say to take them in the morning.... right, which doesn't, to me, make sense, but you take 'em in the morning, and so you just feel completely screwed up, like-

Joe Rogan 18:43 All day.

Ben Greenfield 18:44 ... the whole morning. It's like-

Joe Rogan 18:45 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 18:45 ... you're just mainlining coffee. So they did that. They did, um ... Have you heard of this, like, acoustic sound wave therapy for your dick?

Joe Rogan 18:52 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 18:53 I'm serious.

Joe Rogan 18:55 I'm sure you are.

Ben Greenfield 18:55 Okay. So-

Joe Rogan 18:56 I'm gonna, I'm not even gonna answer. (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 18:57 No. So-

Joe Rogan 18:57 "No, I have not." (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 18:57 So this, there's a clinic in Florida, and it's called GAINSwave, and you go down there.

Joe Rogan 19:02 Of course it's in Florida.

Ben Greenfield 19:02 You go down there, and, uh, and I walk in, and the first thing they do is they hand me this, like, syringe full of numbing cream, and I'm supposed to just, like, put it everywhere. And so I, I smeared it, you know, my balls, my ... Like, I just went everywhere, 'cause I didn't really know what they were, what they were gonna do, and I wanted, I wanted all-

Joe Rogan 19:17 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 19:17 ... all shields activated going i-

Joe Rogan 19:19 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 19:19 ... going into this thing. So I walk into the room, and, and my dick's all numb. They had me lay down, and, and so my legs are splayed. I'm on this exam room table, and this gal comes in, and she's got, like, this giant wand attached to a machine. And they do this for women too, by the way. They put, like, a condom on the end of it. And, and she just basically goes to town for, like, 20 minutes, like a jackhammer. It was like (imitates machine sound) like, everywhere.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Just around your dick?

Ben Greenfield 19:43 For 20 minutes.

Joe Rogan 19:43 And your balls?

Ben Greenfield 19:43 So supposedly ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:44 Everywhere.

Ben Greenfield 19:44 And supposedly, it breaks open old blood vessels and builds new blood vessels, and once the numbing cream wears off, you're supposed to, to perform a lot better. And then they combine this ... You know how we were, we were talking about, like, with your shoulder, if you inject it, you should do, like, ElectroStim or vibration or something to-

Joe Rogan 20:01 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 20:01 ... to get the injection deeper into the tissue. Same thing-

Joe Rogan 20:04 Do you stim your dick?

Ben Greenfield 20:04 Same thing with this. They do the PRP. So they do PRP into your dick.

Joe Rogan 20:07 Ugh.

Ben Greenfield 20:07 And then they follow it up, and you get, you get a nerve block first. I act-

Joe Rogan 20:11 (exhales) .

Ben Greenfield 20:11 I thought ... I don't know why, I thought they put the needle just, like, right in the pee hole, which to me made sense, but-

Joe Rogan 20:18 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 20:18 ... but it doesn't really. I mean, you want it in the actual ti- ... So they actually go, like, up where the dick attaches, like the tissue at the top.

Joe Rogan 20:25 D'oh.

Ben Greenfield 20:25 They do two nerve blocks on either side, and then the PRP i- ... And later on, like a couple months later, they had me do stem cells. They actually extracted, like, fat-

Joe Rogan 20:32 A couple months later?

Ben Greenfield 20:33 ... from my back, and we did a stem cell injection. But this acoustic sound wave therapy, uh, uh, with the PRP, like, it wears off, and you literally just, like, get boners all the time, like, like, all night long for, like, a month.

Joe Rogan 20:46 So, so the acoustic sound therapy is supposed to be breaking up blood vessels?

Ben Greenfield 20:49 Breaks open old blood vessels-

Joe Rogan 20:52 There he goes. Jamie found it.

Ben Greenfield 20:52 ... and builds new ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:53 GINESWave procedure breaks up-

Ben Greenfield 20:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:55 ... plaque formation in blood vessels and stimulates the growth of new blood vessels in the penis.

Ben Greenfield 20:59 Low-intensity extracorporeal shockwave therapy.

Joe Rogan 21:02 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 21:03 That's gonna sell a lot of, uh, of procedures. A lot of people want shockwave-

Joe Rogan 21:05 I like the drawing, before and after.

Ben Greenfield 21:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Before, your veins are all tired and skinny.

Ben Greenfield 21:11 Yeah, before it looks like a, like an old, hunched-over man, then all of a sudden-

Joe Rogan 21:14 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 21:14 ... vigor.

Joe Rogan 21:15 It looks like a bodybuilder with vein-

Ben Greenfield 21:17 Vigorous. Yeah. I used to do bodybuilding. It's a-

Joe Rogan 21:19 So, is that-

Ben Greenfield 21:20 It's a horrible sport.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Do you think it's real? Do you think that's really doing something?

Ben Greenfield 21:23 I don't know. It worked for me.

Joe Rogan 21:25 Okay.

Ben Greenfield 21:25 It worked for me. In the, um ... So yeah, they did the gas station dick pills. They did the acoustic sound wave therapy.

Joe Rogan 21:31 But the acoustic sound wave therapy-

Ben Greenfield 21:32 The PR- the PRP injections.

Joe Rogan 21:33 ... was the best?

Ben Greenfield 21:33 They had me do, like, the ... Uh, no, the stem cells were the best.

Joe Rogan 21:36 Stem cells were the best?

Ben Greenfield 21:36 Stem cells, but that ... I mean, that ... Not everybody's gonna be able to do that, but-

Joe Rogan 21:39 Right.

Ben Greenfield 21:39 ... that was the best, bar none. Like, they ... So I went down to Florida, and-

Joe Rogan 21:44 Of course, again, Florida. (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 21:45 I don't know what it ... I think it's 'cause all the old people live in Florida, right?

Joe Rogan 21:48 (laughs) Florida's just crazy.

Ben Greenfield 21:49 Yeah. It's like-

Joe Rogan 21:49 It's barely America.

Ben Greenfield 21:50 Fort- Fort Lauderdale, all the people, like, hunched over the steering wheel is ... But all the guys have great dicks. They can't drive.

Joe Rogan 21:54 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 21:55 They have their blinker on for, like, two miles before they turn, but their dicks are, are primed. So the, um, the stem cell thing was at the US Stem Cell Clinic in Florida, and I went in there, and they extract all the fat. For me, they, they took the fat out of my back, and what they do is they, they have, um ... It's called an enzymatic process, where they use something that breaks down the collagen in the fat, and then they have the stem cells that get separated from the fat. And apparently, it's very, very high in these angiogenic, like, like, vascular or vessel-building, uh, compounds. And so then you get that reinjected. It's high in the, um, mesenchymal-

Joe Rogan 22:39 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 22:39 ... the, the MSC, the MSC cells, which, which are supposedly the very good ones-

Joe Rogan 22:44 Right.

Ben Greenfield 22:44 ... to, to inject in. So I injected those. Um, or I- I had a, a doctor in Spokane. So they shipped them to Spokane on ice, and they show up at my house at, like, 7:00 AM, right? 'Cause you gotta get 'em delivered same day. And then I had my appointment at the doctor at 9:00 AM, and I went to the doctor, and you know, very ... It was like deja vu from Florida, where, like, I go in, do the, do the numbing, you know, the-

Joe Rogan 23:03 Did the doctor know you're gonna do this?

Ben Greenfield 23:05 ... the numbing agents. Oh yeah. I-

Joe Rogan 23:05 The doctor in Spokane?

Ben Greenfield 23:05 ... I called him, and I went. It was kinda-

Joe Rogan 23:07 Are you friends with the doctor?

Ben Greenfield 23:08 Yeah, yeah. There's a picture-

Joe Rogan 23:09 Okay, that's good.

Ben Greenfield 23:09 I think there's a picture of him in the maga- 'cause they put all sorts of crazy pictures in the magazine, 'cause they had me doing, like, infrared light on my balls, and yeah, like-

Joe Rogan 23:16 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 23:16 ... I had, like, this big thing called the Joovv light that they had me standing in front of every day. Like, I'd jack my-

Joe Rogan 23:21 A Joovv light?

Ben Greenfield 23:22 No, I'll tell you about the stem cells. I'll tell you about this Joovv light-

Joe Rogan 23:23 Okay, yeah. Let's go one step at a time.

Ben Greenfield 23:24 ... 'cause it's, it's crazy. Um, so the, uh, the stem cells ... I went into this doctor in Spokane, and he injected these, these stem cells, the ... from my fat after they'd grown for, like, several f- ... In this case, I think they were down there for, like, eight weeks. But you ... I mean, they, they can do same-day injections, but for me, I didn't have enough fat, 'cause for me, it was right in the middle of ... I, I race professionally in obstacle course racing, so I'm just, like, lean as hell as I go in there, so they could, they could barely get enough fat. So they had to grow them for a longer period of time. A lot of times, they can inject same day. So I went into Spokane, uh, at this clinic in Spokane, Lanou Integrative Clinic. It's like this osteopathic medical clinic with all these, you know, nice receptionists when you walk in the door, and this, this, this doctor who, uh ... Uh, he's done stem cell injections before, but he never actually injected them into someone's dick, so I was kinda like the guinea pig for this.

Joe Rogan 24:12 So, do, do you have to explain to him what areas you're supposed to inject into-

Ben Greenfield 24:15 No. He-

Joe Rogan 24:15 ... you do?

Ben Greenfield 24:16 He researched it, and I think he actually talked to the folks at the stem cell clinic beforehand to make sure that they were on the, on the same page.

Joe Rogan 24:22 Okay.

Ben Greenfield 24:22 'Cause I didn't want to fly all the way back down to Florida.

Joe Rogan 24:24 Right.

Ben Greenfield 24:24 That's super inconvenient, and it's just a dick, right? You can-

Joe Rogan 24:27 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 24:28 You can ... They'll make more someday. They're growing kidneys and ears.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 24:30 I'm sure they'll, they'll grow dicks someday. So, um, so I got it injected, and that was, um ... Uh, first of all, it looked like it got, like, run over by a semi truck for like two days. It was, like, all black and blue where the injection site was.

Joe Rogan 24:43 Were you nervous?

Ben Greenfield 24:45 Yeah.... yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:46 Yeah, I'd be-

Ben Greenfield 24:46 Um-

Joe Rogan 24:46 ... super nervous. Like, what if it got infected?

Ben Greenfield 24:48 It, it could've gotten infected.

Joe Rogan 24:50 Oh, what if you got MRSA on your dick?

Ben Greenfield 24:51 I could, I could still get dick cancer. I've had MRSA, and I would not wish MRSA on your dick on anyone.

Joe Rogan 24:56 How'd you get MRSA?

Ben Greenfield 24:57 Uh, a triathlon.

Joe Rogan 24:59 Whoa.

Ben Greenfield 24:59 I, I got it ... This was at the, at the Wildflower Triathlon. Like, coming back, my flight got delayed and I was covered in all these ... 'Cause it's like an off-road triathlon, and I had all these scrapes and wounds. And I think, I think my layover was in Vegas. I don't remember where, but I had to check into a hotel, flight got delayed. And I slept in this hotel room that I swear, like there must've been something on the bed, 'cause within a few days, like it was all, you know, it gets all nasty and cakey, and then it was eating a hole. I wrote a whole blog post about this on my website, and they-

Joe Rogan 25:26 See if you can find that.

Ben Greenfield 25:26 You can see-

Joe Rogan 25:26 I need to see this.

Ben Greenfield 25:27 Yeah, pull up the hole in the back of my leg. It's nasty.

Joe Rogan 25:30 MRSA scares the shit out of me.

Ben Greenfield 25:31 Yeah, just, just search for like Ben Greenfield staph, and, and you'll see the pictures. But it was eating a hole in the back of my leg and my, my kids roll now once a week and I buy, uh, I get the, the defense soap from Onnit and as soon as they come-

Joe Rogan 25:42 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 25:42 As soon as they come back in the door, I'd, I have them go into the shower upstairs and-

Joe Rogan 25:46 Defense soap is awesome.

Ben Greenfield 25:47 ... and rinse down. Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 25:48 Yeah, they have a bunch of different wipes and stuff for people that train-

Ben Greenfield 25:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 ... in a place that doesn't have a, a shower.

Ben Greenfield 25:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:53 Yeah, you gotta be careful.

Ben Greenfield 25:54 That-

Joe Rogan 25:55 Gotta be careful.

Ben Greenfield 25:55 And, uh, uh, Thieves essential oil.

Joe Rogan 25:57 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 25:57 Like it's like on a, like it's-

Joe Rogan 25:58 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 25:58 A whole bunch of companies make this version of essential oil called Thieves. It's like clove and ro ... It's named after these-

Joe Rogan 26:04 Eucalyptus.

Ben Greenfield 26:05 ... these thieves who apparently never ... Yeah, clove, cinnamon, eucalyptus-

Joe Rogan 26:09 Named after thieves?

Ben Greenfield 26:09 Which is really good for staph and rosemary. It's actually named ... There's like this story of like these four thieves that apparently traveled around the world, and they would rob homes and, and, and they never got sick. Like, that's basically the story.

Joe Rogan 26:22 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 26:23 I'm sure this was, this was some board table at a, at a multilevel marketing essential oils company, somebody came up with this story.

Joe Rogan 26:29 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 26:29 Or it could be true. I don't know. But the, um, yeah, the, the stem cells under the dick, that, that was an interesting one. But it did, um, I think, from what I can tell, looking in the mirror, it got bigger. I'm pretty sure.

Joe Rogan 26:43 How much?

Ben Greenfield 26:44 So-

Joe Rogan 26:44 Half an inch?

Ben Greenfield 26:45 Oh, like maybe that much. Like-

Joe Rogan 26:46 Quarter inch?

Ben Greenfield 26:47 Like enough to tell. And my erections got bigger and my orgasms got a lot better.

Joe Rogan 26:51 For how long?

Ben Greenfield 26:52 They, they're still like that.

Joe Rogan 26:53 Still?

Ben Greenfield 26:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:54 So it fixed it-

Ben Greenfield 26:54 Yeah, so I think the stem cells-

Joe Rogan 26:55 ... you made your dick better?

Ben Greenfield 26:55 ... kinda like stick with you.

Joe Rogan 26:57 Whoa.

Ben Greenfield 26:57 Um, well last week, I got them ... I told you I'm training for the RKC Kettlebell cert, and I was doing the, the 100 reps in five minutes snatch test with a, with a one and a half boot, and I felt something just go. I was at 84 reps and I felt something go in my back, and I got stem cells injected all up and down my QL, my multifidus, my erector spinae, into my psoas. But then they also sent them to my, to my house and I did that same fat cell, the stuff that's rich in the mesenchymal stem cells, into the bloodstream. So I did a push IV into the bloodstream. That's the one that you would have to go out of the country to do normally.

Joe Rogan 27:35 That's the one you gotta go to Panama for.

Ben Greenfield 27:37 You're not supposed to do that. Like that's tech- ... It's technically not legal for someone to inject you with your own stem cells into your bloodstream. But if you get your stem cells extracted and they're stored and they send them to you, you can technically inject them if you do it yourself, or you're like, have a friend who's a nurse or whatever.

Joe Rogan 27:52 Right.

Ben Greenfield 27:52 And you ... It's literally just like a push IV. It's like 30 seconds. We, we caught it all on video for Men's Health Films. So they'll, they'll publish a video at some point, but I was super nervous 'cause it's like a few thousand dollars worth of stem cells that, you know, I'm, I'm trying to hit the vein and make sure that they go in the right way-

Joe Rogan 28:07 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 28:07 ... and then inject. It's a very, very small amount.

Joe Rogan 28:09 Well, you had to be the most nervous getting them shot into your dick though, no?

Ben Greenfield 28:13 I was kinda nervous, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:15 Yeah, that seems to me-

Ben Greenfield 28:16 Um-

Joe Rogan 28:16 ... like super experimental.

Ben Greenfield 28:18 It, it ... I do a lot of that though.

Joe Rogan 28:19 Yeah, I know you do.

Ben Greenfield 28:20 I mean, like that, that's kind of my shtick, right?

Joe Rogan 28:21 Yeah, right.

Ben Greenfield 28:21 Like I do a lot of immersive journalism, a lot of self-experimentation, a lot of, a lot of guinea pig type stuff.

Joe Rogan 28:26 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 28:27 Uh, and I'm, I'm not dead yet and I still have my dick, so-

Joe Rogan 28:30 Well, you look great.

Ben Greenfield 28:30 ... I'm, I'm happy. Yeah. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 28:31 You look very healthy.

Ben Greenfield 28:32 Thank you. I'm, I'm 22. Um-

Joe Rogan 28:34 Oh, there's the whole ... Oof.

Ben Greenfield 28:35 But I'm actually ... Oh yeah, that's ... Is that ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:37 Is that him?

Ben Greenfield 28:38 That's, that's one of them. That i- ... Yeah, that's an image from my website.

Joe Rogan 28:40 Oh, wow.

Ben Greenfield 28:40 That's not as deep as it got. I don't think that's the worst photo from our website.

Joe Rogan 28:43 The worst one I've ever seen is Kevin Randleman.

Ben Greenfield 28:45 They have to stuff it with iodine.

Joe Rogan 28:47 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 28:47 Like they ... Have you had it before?

Joe Rogan 28:48 Gauze? No.

Ben Greenfield 28:49 They have like these long iodine strips when you get the MRSA, and it's like, it's flesh-eating bacteria.

Joe Rogan 28:54 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 28:54 Yeah, there's, that's me too. And they stuff ... See that hole in the middle?

Joe Rogan 28:58 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 28:59 They stuff like a iodine, it's like a stick in there.

Joe Rogan 29:01 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 29:02 Like a strip that has a ... But they literally stuff it.

Joe Rogan 29:04 Stuff it in there, yeah.

Ben Greenfield 29:04 And you can feel it. You got ... You were telling me you got dry needling done.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 29:07 And you know like that weird pressure?

Joe Rogan 29:10 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 29:10 It's not like pain but it's like a weird pressure from dry needling.

Joe Rogan 29:13 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 29:13 This is like that, except pain, right?

Joe Rogan 29:16 Right.

Ben Greenfield 29:16 Like it's both the pain and the pre- ... It was horrible, horrible. Like-

Joe Rogan 29:19 Yeah, I've, I've had some friends who've gotten staph-

Ben Greenfield 29:21 ... falling stuff down my leg.

Joe Rogan 29:21 ... in their leg where they've ... Like a, a small golf ball sized hole-

Ben Greenfield 29:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:25 ... in their leg and they literally had a packet full of that kind of gauze covered in medicine.

Ben Greenfield 29:28 I don't like how you say small golf ... Golf ball is a big hole for the back of the leg.

Joe Rogan 29:32 Yeah, well yeah, it's a golf ball-

Ben Greenfield 29:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:33 ... but it's like smaller than a golf ball, like a large marble.

Ben Greenfield 29:36 An- any hole in the back of the leg-

Joe Rogan 29:37 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 29:37 ... in my opinion is too big.

Joe Rogan 29:38 The worst I've ever seen is Kevin Randleman. See if you can find Kevin Randleman staph. He had open holes where you could see his muscle structure under his armpit. It was horrific.

Ben Greenfield 29:47 Oh my gosh.

Joe Rogan 29:47 He w- he, he never really recovered.

Ben Greenfield 29:49 That's nasty.

Joe Rogan 29:49 He wound up dying young.

Ben Greenfield 29:51 I ... He died?

Joe Rogan 29:51 He died young.

Ben Greenfield 29:52 From that?

Joe Rogan 29:53 Who knows what he died from-

Ben Greenfield 29:54 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 29:54 ... but look at the hole.

Ben Greenfield 29:55 I think I still have it.

Joe Rogan 29:56 Look at that.

Ben Greenfield 29:56 Oh my gosh.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 29:58 That's a ... Wait-

Joe Rogan 29:58 That's his muscle tissue.

Ben Greenfield 29:59 What-

Joe Rogan 29:59 That's Kevin Randleman.

Ben Greenfield 30:00 What, what body part is that?

Joe Rogan 30:01 That's his underarm.

Ben Greenfield 30:02 Oh, my goodness.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Yeah, look at that.

Ben Greenfield 30:04 Oh, my goodness.

Joe Rogan 30:04 Yeah. That's how bad it was. He-

Ben Greenfield 30:06 That looks like he got shot.

Joe Rogan 30:08 He does. Yeah. He was rotting away. And I don't know if he didn't treat it quick enough or, uh, y- I don't know if it was just really aggressive, but-

Ben Greenfield 30:16 Oh, my gosh.

Joe Rogan 30:16 ... it's a real common thing in gyms, and-

Ben Greenfield 30:19 And once you get it, it stays with you.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 30:21 Like it stays in your bloodstream.

Joe Rogan 30:22 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 30:22 Like I still, like I have an essential oil diffuser on my desk, and I put Thieves in it every day and I just diffuse essential oils.

Joe Rogan 30:29 In the air?

Ben Greenfield 30:29 While, while I'm working, into the air.

Joe Rogan 30:30 Wow.

Ben Greenfield 30:30 Yeah. It's like a nebulizing essential oil diffuser. And I j- just, just to play it safe, right? I just wanna be breathing that in during the day.

Joe Rogan 30:37 Right.

Ben Greenfield 30:37 Just in case.

Joe Rogan 30:38 Fuck.

Ben Greenfield 30:38 That's, um... And that's the other thing is I stand in front of this light, this infrared light, and, uh, this-

Joe Rogan 30:43 What's this?

Ben Greenfield 30:44 ... this is that- that-

Joe Rogan 30:45 Dick light again?

Ben Greenfield 30:45 That Joovv ... It's the dick light. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:46 What's it called?

Ben Greenfield 30:46 It's, it's, it's called a Joovv. And, um-

Joe Rogan 30:49 (laughs) .

Ben Greenfield 30:49 So it ... They've, they've done these studies on testicular and sperm production, and they've found that there's a wavelength that's like 600 to 800 nanometers wavelength of light that if you expose the testicles to that for five to 20 minutes a day ... It's based on this concept of photobiomodulation. So I originally got into this whole photobiomodulation thing when this company ... 'Cause I, 'cause I blog and people just send me these weird things to my doorstep to, to try. And they sent me this like nasal probe that you put up your nose and it's got like a, a helmet on it. You could, you could look it up, Jamey, if you want. It's called a, a Vielight. And it produces this light that supposedly activates a part of your mito- ... So you have like your electron transport chain in your mitochondria? And there's a part of that called the cytochrome c oxidase. And it apparently activates more activity in the cytochrome c oxidase, so you produce more ATP, in this case in neural tissue 'cause you have it on your head.

Joe Rogan 31:43 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 31:43 And they were using this in dementia and in Alzheimer's patients, but it turns out it's almost like a, like a nootropic for your head.

Joe Rogan 31:49 Whoa.

Ben Greenfield 31:49 Yeah. So that's me at my desk.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Whoa.

Ben Greenfield 31:51 Back, back when I was-

Joe Rogan 31:52 And you got it up your nose?

Ben Greenfield 31:52 Back when I was a, a young Chinese woman working at my desk.

Joe Rogan 31:54 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 31:55 Um-

Joe Rogan 31:55 Up your nose.

Ben Greenfield 31:55 Yeah, n-

Joe Rogan 31:56 On your head.

Ben Greenfield 31:56 I like how that guy's just like looking pensively off-

Joe Rogan 31:59 This girl's reading a book.

Ben Greenfield 32:00 ... off into the wall.

Joe Rogan 32:00 Hm.

Ben Greenfield 32:00 She's reading a book. She looks-

Joe Rogan 32:01 She's reading Twilight.

Ben Greenfield 32:02 Yeah. See, that's what I originally get. They sent me just the nose one and I felt shorted because I ... they had like the full head, so I asked them for the full head one. And, um-

Joe Rogan 32:09 (laughs) This is so fucking weird.

Ben Greenfield 32:10 I know. And you can feel it like pulsing.

Joe Rogan 32:11 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 32:11 And, uh, and, uh, what's, um ... It was ... I think it was MPR. It was either Radiolab or, um ... What's the other science one? Em- I think it, I think it m- might be Radiolab. They did a study on like ... Or a, or a story on like this 10 to 40 hertz frequency they called, like, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:26 Nine volt nirvana.

Ben Greenfield 32:27 No. That-

Joe Rogan 32:28 Yeah, we talked about it.

Ben Greenfield 32:28 That's, that's tDCS.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Oh, that's transdermal stimulation, right?

Ben Greenfield 32:31 The nine volt thing is, is ... Yeah. I have one of those too, the TransDerma cranial stimulation.

Joe Rogan 32:34 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 32:34 That, that Halo device that you wear before a workout.

Joe Rogan 32:37 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 32:37 You use that thing?

Joe Rogan 32:37 No.

Ben Greenfield 32:38 Yeah, I-

Joe Rogan 32:38 Well, let's ... One at a time. We'll get to the Halo thing.

Ben Greenfield 32:40 I'll tell you about that. One at a time. So there's photobiomodulation. I'm putting this thing, you know, the probe in my ear.

Joe Rogan 32:44 Right.

Ben Greenfield 32:44 And the thing ... And you're not even supposed to use it too much because it produces so much ATP that if you amp up cellular activity and neural tissue too much, you produce too many reactive oxygen species. Like, that's a byproduct of cellular metabolism. It's just like if you eat too much, you produce a lot of byproduct of making energy, and that's why ... That's one of the reasons why fasting is good for you.

Joe Rogan 33:03 Hm.

Ben Greenfield 33:03 Like it cleans up the system and you don't make as many free radicals. The same reason like ketosis is good for you, right? You're not burning as much glucose, you don't produce as many free radicals. Same concept with this. You don't wanna use it all the time 'cause you get too much activity, you produce too many free radicals or too many reactive oxygen species. But every other day, use it.

Joe Rogan 33:20 So-

Ben Greenfield 33:21 And-

Joe Rogan 33:21 ... new year, new y- new dick. How, how often did you use it?

Ben Greenfield 33:24 Well, this was for my head. And I ... And this, this was like a couple years ago.

Joe Rogan 33:26 But it's the same thing?

Ben Greenfield 33:27 This was a couple years ... And it was like a cup of coffee for my brain, like every time I'd wake up and I'd put this thing on while I'm working at my desk. So then, um, this company that makes these lights that are very similar activate cytochrome c oxidase, activates, uh, release of nitric oxide. But if you do it on your testicles, specifically the cell that it works on is the Leydig cells in the testes which are responsible for producing testosterone. So you're basically stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes-

Joe Rogan 33:52 Whoa.

Ben Greenfield 33:52 ... the same way that you stimulate like neural tissue using this one for your head. So I'd had success with the thing for my head, so I tried this one for the balls and the dick, and what I did was I would just jack my pants down for five to 20 minutes a day-

Joe Rogan 34:05 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 34:05 ... while I'm sitting there with y- you know, I'm diffusing my essential oils and I got the thing on my head. And, um, and it works. Like you actually get more blood flow. I mean, I, I didn't do a control study just pulling my pants down and standing there for-

Joe Rogan 34:16 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 34:16 ... five to 20 minutes without the, without the light on. I should, I should do that at some point.

Joe Rogan 34:20 Right.

Ben Greenfield 34:20 'Cause maybe it's just like the whole ... You know, it's like supposedly going-

Joe Rogan 34:23 Placebo effect.

Ben Greenfield 34:23 ... going combat style is supposed to be good for your dick too, right? So-

Joe Rogan 34:26 Just going combat style?

Ben Greenfield 34:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:27 So there's you with your-

Ben Greenfield 34:28 Yeah. That's me.

Joe Rogan 34:29 ... balls out.

Ben Greenfield 34:30 Yeah. It's, um ... I'm standing-

Joe Rogan 34:31 In front of the light.

Ben Greenfield 34:31 I'm standing on my Wawa board. I got my ball light. And, um, that's actually not my office. That was at one of my friend's houses 'cause he had one. And, uh, anyways, uh, and I'm ... Obviously, I'm not naked, but normally-

Joe Rogan 34:43 Right.

Ben Greenfield 34:43 ... I would, I would, I would be nude and, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:46 And you just nuked your balls?

Ben Greenfield 34:47 Just shining that ... And you just basically nuke your balls. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:49 And what was the effects?

Ben Greenfield 34:50 It's like a, it's like a warm teddy bear. Uh, increased vascularity, better size, better orgasms. I mean, like, like all of this stuff seemed to have a-

Joe Rogan 34:56 So all of this stuff seems-

Ben Greenfield 34:57 ... pretty decent effect.

Joe Rogan 34:58 ... to make your dick bigger-

Ben Greenfield 34:58 It had some kind of-

Joe Rogan 34:59 ... and work, work better.

Ben Greenfield 34:59 It had some kind of an effect. Yeah. So, um, PRP injections, acoustic sound wave therapy, stem cells, the infrared light, uh, gas station dick pills, and that's the one I, I would not repeat.

Joe Rogan 35:09 Hm.

Ben Greenfield 35:10 Um, and then they had me do some Ayurvedic stuff, like the no ejaculation thing, which is horrible.

Joe Rogan 35:14 Okay.

Ben Greenfield 35:14 Like where you, where you-

Joe Rogan 35:15 Tantra.

Ben Greenfield 35:15 ... you have sex but you pull out.

Joe Rogan 35:17 (burps) And you squeeze it.

Ben Greenfield 35:17 Yeah. And you like revert like the, uh ... It's a book. It's called, uh, The Multiorgasmic Man.

Joe Rogan 35:22 Hm.

Ben Greenfield 35:22 So I read that and, and learned how to like, you know, pull back, like, like not actually orgasm.

Joe Rogan 35:27 Right.

Ben Greenfield 35:27 And you like pull it inside and then you finish up and you're just like pissed off the rest of the day.

Joe Rogan 35:31 Yeah. That doesn't-

Ben Greenfield 35:31 And then you kinda like can't sleep at night 'cause you're all ... You're just all white. So you could see how it would work, but for me, it's like I, I got kids and my wife and I sneak away to get it on? Like I wanna, I want-

Joe Rogan 35:40 Get it on.

Ben Greenfield 35:41 I want the full meal deal.

Joe Rogan 35:42 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 35:42 Like so, so I didn't like that, the, the no ejaculation reverse orgasm thing, but-

Joe Rogan 35:47 What's it supposed to do? Like when you internalize the orgasm, when you keep it inside, what's-

Ben Greenfield 35:52 So, this is all based on Chinese medicine principles.

Joe Rogan 35:56 Right.

Ben Greenfield 35:56 Like your ... I think it's called your jinn or your jing or something like that.

Joe Rogan 35:59 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 36:00 But you have this, this energy, you know, your, your chi or-... your prana, your chakra, your life force and apparently orgasming is an, and- and coming, like ejaculating, is supposedly one of the ways that you give some of that life force away, like you release some of your vitality. And by having sex but then not coming, you're actually creating that same hormonal response of oxytocin and testosterone and all these things that we release when we're having sex or when we ejaculate, but without actually giving up that- that vitality.

Joe Rogan 36:33 Right.

Ben Greenfield 36:33 That life force. There was even, like, I found- I found, like, uh, tables where, like, based on your age, there's a certain frequency with which you're supposed to ejaculate, like- like the younger you are, it's like every two days or every three days, and the older you get, like it gets to a certain point where you're like 70 years old and it's like every- every month or something like that. And so it's- it's- it's kinda interesting. But again, I don't- I don't like that, like I- I want- I wanna- I wanna finish.

Joe Rogan 36:56 Yeah, I wonder if that's-

Ben Greenfield 36:57 But I get it.

Joe Rogan 36:57 ... a preconceived, uh, prejudice that you have, though.

Ben Greenfield 37:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Like I wonder if you just went into it, like, completely objectively, if it would have some sort of a-

Ben Greenfield 37:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:04 ... benefit.

Ben Greenfield 37:04 Uh, or maybe you just get, like, mineral depleted and you lose all your zinc and everything else you need to make sperm and you-

Joe Rogan 37:10 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 37:10 ... start to cramp up? I don't know. To me, you'd have to be ejaculating a lot, I think.

Joe Rogan 37:14 So when you were doing all these different things, how much of a time s- like how much of a buffer did you give yourself in between each thing so you could find out-

Ben Greenfield 37:20 It- it was not a well-controlled experiment at all.

Joe Rogan 37:22 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 37:22 It was like three months of just like, "Hey do that. Hey, why don't we try this? Let's do that. Hey, the article's coming out soon, we should toss this in there too." So-

Joe Rogan 37:28 So they probably compounded.

Ben Greenfield 37:29 ... it was not a well-controlled experiment, and I did a lot over three months. Like it would have been a lot better-

Joe Rogan 37:33 (exhales)

Ben Greenfield 37:33 ... to just try one thing at a time. But I- but I-

Joe Rogan 37:36 God, I would be so nervous.

Ben Greenfield 37:37 But I am well-hung and very vascular now-

Joe Rogan 37:38 Congratulations.

Ben Greenfield 37:39 ... from the whole experiment, so- so there's that.

Joe Rogan 37:41 Wow.

Ben Greenfield 37:41 Um, so yeah, it's called New Year-

Joe Rogan 37:43 So-

Ben Greenfield 37:43 ... New Year, New Dick.

Joe Rogan 37:44 And it really did make your dick bigger?

Ben Greenfield 37:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:46 So do you think there's any help out- h- hope out there? Asking for a friend. Guys who have micro dicks?

Ben Greenfield 37:50 Mm-hmm. Micro ... What's a micro dick?

Joe Rogan 37:52 Guys who have really small penises.

Ben Greenfield 37:54 Uh, I would imagine there's hope.

Joe Rogan 37:55 'Cause apparently-

Ben Greenfield 37:56 I'm sure they could be, like, great politicians or-

Joe Rogan 37:58 Blah. (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 38:00 ... or be very, very influential. It's just there- there's gotta be some kind of trade-off, right?

Joe Rogan 38:03 Ferrari salesman.

Ben Greenfield 38:03 It's like if you- if you have, uh, sickle cell anemia, apparently it keep- protects you from malaria. So maybe if you have a small dick, it protects you from some kind of horrible accident later on in life.

Joe Rogan 38:12 I don't think so.

Ben Greenfield 38:13 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 38:13 I don't think so.

Ben Greenfield 38:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:14 I just wonder, like, if there's a way to fix that in people, if maybe this is the way, 'cause I've always felt-

Ben Greenfield 38:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:19 ... like that's gotta be one of the saddest things.

Ben Greenfield 38:20 It, um ... Uh, again, like you never know. There could be a bunch of 90-year-old men walking around with dick cancer 60 years from now who-

Joe Rogan 38:27 Right.

Ben Greenfield 38:28 ... you know, heard this and all went and got injected, so I- I will not attest to the safety of it.

Joe Rogan 38:32 Sure.

Ben Greenfield 38:33 But I can attest to the efficacy of it. Um, so yeah may-

Joe Rogan 38:35 What's crazy is that it-

Ben Greenfield 38:36 ... maybe some of those things would work for the- for all those people walking around there, all of your listeners with small dicks.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 38:41 You just gave them salvation.

Joe Rogan 38:42 There's hope. There's hope, fellas.

Ben Greenfield 38:43 Yeah. There's hope, so- so yeah, that's um-

Joe Rogan 38:45 What- what scares me though is that, you know, you know, like you're- you're saying it still works, like it st- how long ago did you do this experiment?

Ben Greenfield 38:53 Oh, I mean like the- this- the magazine is still on the shelves, like it just came out.

Joe Rogan 38:57 Okay, so it's but- how long-

Ben Greenfield 38:58 Uh, so this was like-

Joe Rogan 38:59 Several months ago, right?

Ben Greenfield 38:59 This was like starting ... I got the stem cells extracted in August-

Joe Rogan 39:03 Okay.

Ben Greenfield 39:04 ... of 2017, so this is-

Joe Rogan 39:06 And then eight weeks later-

Ben Greenfield 39:06 This is like the end of January.

Joe Rogan 39:07 ... you got 'em shot into your dick.

Ben Greenfield 39:08 Yeah, eight weeks later I got those shot into the dick, and then like-

Joe Rogan 39:11 So we're only dealing with a couple months.

Ben Greenfield 39:11 ... six months later, after they'd really grown a lot of these mesenchymal- mesenchymal stem cells-

Joe Rogan 39:16 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 39:16 ... I got them injected into my bloodstream and into like that injury that I'm fighting in my back right now.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 39:22 Um, and I'd done some other things before that for- for the back and for tissue, like peptides, like this uh-

Joe Rogan 39:28 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 39:28 ... the BPC 157, uh-

Joe Rogan 39:29 That we were just talking about before the show.

Ben Greenfield 39:31 Yeah, yeah, which is really interesting stuff. I mean it's not-

Joe Rogan 39:33 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 39:33 ... it's not intended for human consumption, but it's also not banned by WADA. I mean it's- it's- it actually ... it's legal to use and it's a peptide. Um, it's called body protection compound, BPC 157, and the 157 refers to like the sequence of amino acids that makes up the actual compound. But you can buy it and reconstitute it, and then if you inject it into an area ... And it doesn't even have to be like a painful intramuscular injection. It can be like a subcutaneous injection. BPC supposedly stimulates angiogenesis, and it's a- it's a natural compound. You find it in the human gut, so they took this same thing that helps to heal the human gut, which is why if you were to consume this in drinking water, it supposedly ... and this is in- in rodent models ... it apparently works to like heal up an inflamed gut, you know, colitis, IBD, IBS, stuff like that. But you can inject it into a joint or subcutaneously into an area around a joint, and it supposedly stimulates the, uh ... I feel like this is a- a repetitive phrase on this show ... the growth of new blood vessels.

Joe Rogan 40:37 Mm.

Ben Greenfield 40:38 So a- angio- angiogenesis. And then there's another one called TB 500 that they use in race horses, thymosin beta. That one is banned by WADA, but s- similar principle except that one acts on the actin and myosin fibers and actually causes regeneration of those. So you could do both and you get angiogenesis and then also fiber regrowth, and that- that's- that's a strategy that would be like pennies on the dollar compared to stem cells.

Joe Rogan 41:01 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 41:02 And also, you know, a far less, um, a far less intensive procedure in terms of like collecting your stem cells.

Joe Rogan 41:07 Right.

Ben Greenfield 41:07 Yeah. And then there's, um ... So there- there's the fat for the stem cells, and from what I understand, if you're going after the anti-aging effect, like the bone is better, like the- the uh-

Joe Rogan 41:18 Marrow?

Ben Greenfield 41:18 Like a bone marrow. So I had mine ... I had my bone marrow extracted at this place called Forever Labs in Berkeley, California, and they store that and then what I can do is I can just inject the 35-year-old me into my body every year or every five years, whenever I wanna put that back in. So I've got bone marrow and fat marrow stored. What I plan to do is-

Joe Rogan 41:39 Let me stop you there real quick.

Ben Greenfield 41:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:40 So they take the bone marrow and how do they have enough to just keep going? Do they- is somehow replicated?

Ben Greenfield 41:45 They- they ap- I- I don't know the- the protocol that used to grow the stem ... Like I know the fat one they use, uh, like a collagenase procedure that enzymatically breaks down the collagen from the fat and somehow concentrates the stem cells, and you can actually grow them, like you can actually multiply them. I'm assuming it's something similar for bone.

Joe Rogan 42:02 Huh.

Ben Greenfield 42:03 And the bone would be more for like longevity and anti-aging and then the fat would be more for- for joints.

Joe Rogan 42:10 I know a lot of people-

Ben Greenfield 42:11 Or for healing.

Joe Rogan 42:11 ... who got the bone marrow done for injuries.

Ben Greenfield 42:13 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:14 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 42:14 I've heard of that, too.

Joe Rogan 42:14 And it's supposed to be very painful.

Ben Greenfield 42:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:16 Was it painful for you when they extracted the bone?

Ben Greenfield 42:18 Not compared to the dick injections, no.

Joe Rogan 42:20 Ah. (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 42:20 No, it's all relative. (laughs) But I, I'm, uh, yeah, I've been, I've been obstacle course racing and I was, I was triathlete before that-

Joe Rogan 42:27 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 42:27 ... and did body build, so I've always done all this, you know, masochistic shit, so getting, I think my pain tolerance is, is high.

Joe Rogan 42:33 Oh, I'm sure, yeah.

Ben Greenfield 42:34 But the, uh, the, the bone marrow didn't hurt that much, no.

Joe Rogan 42:36 No.

Ben Greenfield 42:36 It was like, they, they numb it, they go in, um, the dick one was where there was like that weird pressure, a little bit of pain. I would say that the iodine packing into the staph infection that you're talking about, that was, that was up there.

Joe Rogan 42:46 Well, Daniel Cormier, UFC light heavyweight champion, had it done with the bone marrow and he was telling me it was painful as hell, and he's about as tough a human being as they get.

Ben Greenfield 42:53 You mean getting it injected or getting it taken out?

Joe Rogan 42:55 No, just getting it extracted. He's like-

Ben Greenfield 42:56 I mean, it's, it's a big needle.

Joe Rogan 42:58 He was limping around, he said, for a while.

Ben Greenfield 43:00 But when I did the stem cell injections, that was cool 'cause they u- s- they used, uh, digital thermography.

Joe Rogan 43:04 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 43:04 So you can... It's like an ultrasound. It's like what you would use to look at a baby.

Joe Rogan 43:07 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 43:07 But you can, you can see the tissue, you can see the areas where there's swelling or there's like a black area where, where the tissue is torn up or where there, there's edema or inflammation. And you can... And, and, um, uh, he showed me the video after he did all the injections, you can see the needle, like, going into the... You can, you can micro-target-

Joe Rogan 43:25 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 43:26 ... exactly, exactly where you wanna put the cells.

Joe Rogan 43:28 Yeah, I've done it.

Ben Greenfield 43:29 So it's a very, very cool procedure.

Joe Rogan 43:30 (clears throat) I've done it once, yeah, it's pretty cool, yeah.

Ben Greenfield 43:30 Did they, did they use that, uh, thermography?

Joe Rogan 43:32 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 43:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:32 Yeah, yeah.

Ben Greenfield 43:33 It's a cool procedure.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Have you ever done Regenakene?

Ben Greenfield 43:35 No.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Are you aware of it?

Ben Greenfield 43:37 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 43:37 You know what it is?

Ben Greenfield 43:38 No.

Joe Rogan 43:38 It's, uh, it's one of the things that a lot of, uh, pro athletes are going to Germany to get done. It's, uh, it's a form of platelet-rich plasma where they heat it up and by heating up the, uh, the plasma, it produces this radical antiinflammatory property. It's like they extract it into this yellow serum, they spin it in a centrifuge. So if you're gonna get it done, I've had it done on-

Ben Greenfield 43:57 How is that different than just normal PRP?

Joe Rogan 43:59 It's more powerful, more potent.

Ben Greenfield 44:00 Really?

Joe Rogan 44:01 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 44:01 'Cause it's heated up?

Joe Rogan 44:02 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 44:02 'Cause I've done PRP before.

Joe Rogan 44:03 Yeah, I have as well.

Ben Greenfield 44:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:04 Yeah, it, it's... I mean, obviously I'm not a doctor, but, uh, according to these doctors that do it, and there's a place in Santa Monica that does it called-

Ben Greenfield 44:13 Oh.

Joe Rogan 44:13 ... Lifespan Medicine, I've had it done there.

Ben Greenfield 44:14 Really?

Joe Rogan 44:14 Yeah, they, for the longest time, you had to go to Germany, like, uh, Dana White flew to Germany to get it done, uh, a set of athletes there.

Ben Greenfield 44:20 Why? 'Cause it was, it was illegal in the US?

Joe Rogan 44:22 Yes, they hadn't, yeah, they hadn't approved it yet.

Ben Greenfield 44:23 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 44:24 Yeah, but now it's legal there.

Ben Greenfield 44:25 Yeah, I'm going, uh, I'm going over to, uh, to, uh, Venice Beach. I'm gonna be down by there. I'm going to the- these cats at the, uh, that place I was telling you about, The Human Garage. That's an interesting place.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Well, I w- if you really wanna talk to the guy who does it, my, my friend Dr. Ben Rouhi is the guy who, uh-

Ben Greenfield 44:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:39 ... uh, performs the procedures down there. He's a great guy.

Ben Greenfield 44:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:41 He would love to talk to you two.

Ben Greenfield 44:42 Yeah, sure. Cool.

Joe Rogan 44:43 You'd, you'd get a kick outta it.

Ben Greenfield 44:43 Cool.

Joe Rogan 44:44 It's pretty interesting shit.

Ben Greenfield 44:44 I'm sure someday I'll run out of stuff to inject into joints, but for now, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:47 I, for me, it really helped me heal a bulging disc in my neck.

Ben Greenfield 44:50 Really?

Joe Rogan 44:50 They, they go right into the spinal cord. It's great for people-

Ben Greenfield 44:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:53 ... that have, uh, pretty serious neck injuries and back injuries.

Ben Greenfield 44:56 Have you tried this thing... (sighs) I think it's, it's Petacon is the company that makes it, but it's like a, a neck traction device.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Yes.

Ben Greenfield 45:03 I have one hanging in my-

Joe Rogan 45:04 I have one of those.

Ben Greenfield 45:04 So I have a, I have that-

Joe Rogan 45:05 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 45:05 ... and a yoga trapeze.

Joe Rogan 45:06 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 45:07 And so I'll hang-

Joe Rogan 45:07 I saw the yoga trapeze in your Instagram.

Ben Greenfield 45:08 Yeah, I'll hang by the nec-... I do this when I get up, right? I get up and I put, like, a bunch of magnesium on my neck and my back to relax all the tissue and once you get really relaxed and I have this, uh, this, this vibrator. It's, uh, it's like a car buffer for your body so you can vibrate your neck and your back and y- and you get really, really relaxed and it's, it's perfect for, you know, for like doing your own deep tissue therapy.

Joe Rogan 45:30 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 45:30 But it, but it vibrates, so I'll do that on my body then I go hang from this neck thing-

Joe Rogan 45:34 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 45:34 ... and you get all these pops up and down your neck and it, and it apparently realigns the atlas and the axis and some of the cervical vertebrae and there's probably a bunch of chiropractic docs who are, who are, uh, really, uh, uh, pissed off right now because I'm describing this incorrectly, but it, it feels amazing, like it just adjusts everything and then I hang from the yoga trapeze.

Joe Rogan 45:52 Well what it definitely does-

Ben Greenfield 45:53 And just hangs like five minutes.

Joe Rogan 45:53 ... is decompress.

Ben Greenfield 45:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:54 It definitely decompresses your-

Ben Greenfield 45:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:56 ... you know, I don't know about all that other nonsense but it definitely-

Ben Greenfield 45:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:58 ... it's stretching out those muscles and alleviating some of the stress that comes from bad posture.

Ben Greenfield 46:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:03 And for me, it was a lot of grappling-

Ben Greenfield 46:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:05 ... getting your neck cranked and squished and-

Ben Greenfield 46:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:08 ... you know, resisting things all the time.

Ben Greenfield 46:09 It's like, um, it's kind of similar to traction.

Joe Rogan 46:12 Yes.

Ben Greenfield 46:12 And I've really been getting into that. Have you heard of ELDOA? E-L-D-O-A?

Joe Rogan 46:16 No.

Ben Greenfield 46:17 It's like a form of stretching where... I actually had a guy come to my house for two days and he stayed in my basement and we wait-

Joe Rogan 46:24 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 46:24 ... we wake up... I've done this a few times. I'll have people come over to me e- and, and just like teach... There's, there's another, uh, guy who mashes, like use a walker and just like mash up and down your body and, uh, but this is ELDOA. So ELDOA, you'll like push a joint out this way and then out this way and then your feet will be splayed in both directions. There's like 20 different poses that you do, but it's a form of self-traction.

Joe Rogan 46:48 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 46:48 Right? So it's like, um... It, it's similar to like if you were to use a monster band to traction a joint. Have you ever done that? Like tractioned your hip with a... Where you'll tie a monster band around your hip and then attach it to, uh...

Joe Rogan 46:59 I have not, no.

Ben Greenfield 47:00 To attach it to-

Joe Rogan 47:00 But I've seen, I've seen people do it, but here's a-

Ben Greenfield 47:02 Yeah, like kind of pulls a joint apart. Yeah, that's ELDOA. So is that, is that Adam from Mind Pump? Is that, is that the Mind Pump video? I think that's my buddy, Adam, from Mind Pump.

Joe Rogan 47:09 It says, "Spel- spinal health ELDOA, E-L-D-O-A."

Ben Greenfield 47:14 Yeah. Yeah, so that, that's one of the ones I do in the morning. That's L5-S1. So they, so they all work on a specific, like, part of the back, or part of the body.

Joe Rogan 47:22 Let me, let me say it, let me say it again. E-L-D-O-A.

Ben Greenfield 47:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:25 ELDOA L-...

Ben Greenfield 47:26 ELDOA.

Joe Rogan 47:26 ... L5 or L5 to-

Ben Greenfield 47:28 I forget what it stands for. It was invented by this guy named Guy Voillet, uh, a French guy and, uh, dude, you feel amazing. You, you hold these poses for like a minute and it introduces a bunch of new blood flow to the joint. See how he's doing that?

Joe Rogan 47:40 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 47:40 He'll like put his hand up and traction the fascia and so he's getting this intense pull. If you were to do this, you get this intense pull on your back. I do this one, so I get, I could show it to you after, but you feel amazing.

Joe Rogan 47:52 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 47:52 I do this when I wake up now and, uh-

Joe Rogan 47:54 Who invented all this stuff?

Ben Greenfield 47:54 It's a, it's a very cool form of stretching. This goes back. This is like some, some French guy invented it and, uh, I don't remember how I heard about it, but an inv- or I, uh, I interviewed this guy named Jacob Chon on my podcast and he taught me all these moves and came to my house and, uh, it's, it's another one of those really cool forms of stretching. It's like, um-

Joe Rogan 48:13 Now, how often do you do yoga?

Ben Greenfield 48:15 ... I have a, uh, I have a sauna. I mean-

Joe Rogan 48:18 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 48:18 Do you do like an infrared sauna?

Joe Rogan 48:20 No, we have a regular sauna.

Ben Greenfield 48:22 I use a, like a, like a near-far infrared sauna.

Joe Rogan 48:25 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 48:25 And I go in there 'cause your, your tissue gets very pliable and hot. So, I had a, I had a crane drop a 19-foot endless pool out in the forest back behind my house-

Joe Rogan 48:35 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 48:35 ... in Spokane. And I, and I keep this thing just, like, super-duper cold, right? So it's like 45, 50 degrees. So, that's like my, my cryotherapy-

Joe Rogan 48:44 How do you keep it that cold?

Ben Greenfield 48:45 ... cold water immersion. Well, during the, during the winter and the fall-

Joe Rogan 48:47 Right.

Ben Greenfield 48:47 ... it just stays that cold. I just keep the lid off, and then during the summer when I'm coming back home and I'm going by the gas station up the, up the hill before my house, I stop and I buy ice bags and I just dump 'em in there.

Joe Rogan 48:56 Wow.

Ben Greenfield 48:57 So, so it stays relatively cold. And, uh, what I do in the mornings when I'm home is I do this sauna, and you asked about yoga, I go in there and I'll... This is when I do a lot of this stuff, right? Like, I'll do some of my yoga moves, some of my ELDOA. There's another really good form of stretching called KORE Foundation, uh, a doc named Eric Goodman, and it's like a form of decompression for the spine. He works with a lot of athletes. It kinda, like, turns on your glutes-

Joe Rogan 49:22 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 49:22 ... decompresses your spine. So, I- I just use a mashup of all these little moves and I'll be in my sauna for, like, 30 minutes so I'm producing all the, all the heat shock proteins, I'm getting the nitric oxide, getting the blood flow, and you just feel, you feel good-

Joe Rogan 49:37 Right.

Ben Greenfield 49:37 ... when you do sauna. So, I, I get all sweaty and I, I get kinda woo-woo. I'll sprinkle essential oils in there and I'll burn like Palo Santo incense and, uh, you know, put on-

Joe Rogan 49:45 You burn incense inside-

Ben Greenfield 49:47 ... put on, put on beats.

Joe Rogan 49:47 ... the sauna?

Ben Greenfield 49:47 Yeah, it smells really nice-

Joe Rogan 49:49 Wow.

Ben Greenfield 49:49 ... and you can, you can-

Joe Rogan 49:49 And you put on beats like binaural beats?

Ben Greenfield 49:50 You can put on... Yeah, like binaural beats or there's this, this guy named, um, Michael Tyrell and he makes these, these CDs and these tracks that-

Joe Rogan 49:58 Even when you said his name, you lowered your voice.

Ben Greenfield 50:00 Michael Tyrell-

Joe Rogan 50:01 You lowered your voice. Michael Tyrell.

Ben Greenfield 50:02 ... makes these amazing tracks.

Joe Rogan 50:04 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 50:04 And they're, uh, they, they vibrate at specific hertz frequencies, right?

Joe Rogan 50:09 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 50:09 There's wh- there's this whole idea that, like, your root chakra, like your fourth chakra, your heart chakra vibrates at 528 hertz, and there's, there's different hertz frequencies associated with different positive aspects of, of your, uh, you know, it's, it's this, uh, it's like a, a, a chakra, like a, like a-

Joe Rogan 50:25 Right. But is that bullshit? I mean, have you tried to debunk any of that?

Ben Greenfield 50:27 I don't know. If I feel really good, if I feel good-

Joe Rogan 50:29 Feels good?

Ben Greenfield 50:29 ... I'm gonna try to be-

Joe Rogan 50:30 Right.

Ben Greenfield 50:30 ... debunk it.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Why not?

Ben Greenfield 50:31 I'll just do it.

Joe Rogan 50:31 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 50:31 Why not?

Joe Rogan 50:32 Are you doing this-

Ben Greenfield 50:32 So-

Joe Rogan 50:32 ... with headsets on?

Ben Greenfield 50:33 No, the sauna has, like, surround speakers.

Joe Rogan 50:35 Okay.

Ben Greenfield 50:35 And so I just, I play that through the speakers. No Bluetooth and no Wi-Fi, Jamie.

Joe Rogan 50:39 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 50:39 Just like, it's just like my little shitty little iPod Shuffle that I plug in and-

Joe Rogan 50:44 Okay.

Ben Greenfield 50:45 ... and play. And, um, so I, I play that while I'm in the sauna and I'm doing all my moves, and then I walk out of my house, go through my office, walk through the forest, and I go and jump in the pool. And I'll just like-

Joe Rogan 50:55 How far is the walk?

Ben Greenfield 50:55 ... swim in there for like f- it's like 50 yards. It's not that far.

Joe Rogan 50:57 So, you just jump-

Ben Greenfield 50:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:58 ... one to the other?

Ben Greenfield 50:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:59 And do you go back and forth?

Ben Greenfield 51:00 So, you jump one to the other and, no, it's, uh, it's too much to go back and for-... Like, I've tried. It's just, I gotta keep things somewhat s-... 'Cause this is getting kinda complex between-

Joe Rogan 51:07 Right.

Ben Greenfield 51:08 ... like, the light on the balls and the essential oils.

Joe Rogan 51:09 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 51:09 Like, you gotta, you gotta draw the line somewhere.

Joe Rogan 51:12 Stem cells.

Ben Greenfield 51:12 So, sometimes I'll have friends over and, and we'll vape or we'll smoke in the sauna and then we'll go out to the pool and then go roll around in the snow, then get back in the pool, then go back in the sauna.

Ben Greenfield 51:22 And my, m-... I, I do this and my wife is inside making dinner and we just feel amazing. Like we got the hot, we got the cold-

Joe Rogan 51:29 Right.

Ben Greenfield 51:29 ... and then we go in and we eat dinner. It's, it's amazing. It's my favorite thing to do with my friends.

Joe Rogan 51:32 Wow.

Ben Greenfield 51:33 But in the morning, I do the sauna and then the ice and then, or the, or the cold pool, and then I finish with a quick dip in the hot tub out in the trees 'cause I, I put a hot tub next to the cold pool. And everything's like super clean, you know, it's clean with ozone and minerals instead of chlorine, and so you just feel really, really clean-

Joe Rogan 51:50 Right.

Ben Greenfield 51:50 ... and then I walk in and start my day.

Joe Rogan 51:51 Wow.

Ben Greenfield 51:51 I feel like a million bucks. So, I do yoga, yeah, but it's in the, it's in the sauna.

Joe Rogan 51:55 Well, it sounds like you're just stretching. You're not doing, like, the strengthening poses.

Ben Greenfield 51:58 No, I, I do actual, like, le-... You know... Well, what do you mean?

Joe Rogan 52:01 Like standing-

Ben Greenfield 52:02 Like, like-

Joe Rogan 52:02 ... bow poses?

Ben Greenfield 52:02 ... warrior one, warrior two, warrior three, like...

Joe Rogan 52:05 Like standing bow pose, head to knee pose, like are you-

Ben Greenfield 52:09 I, I do s-

Joe Rogan 52:09 ... very strenuous?

Ben Greenfield 52:10 I'm not doing, like, old person yoga.

Joe Rogan 52:11 No, I'm just asking.

Ben Greenfield 52:12 I do, I do the legit shit.

Joe Rogan 52:13 Listen-

Ben Greenfield 52:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:13 ... I know you're a fit guy-

Ben Greenfield 52:14 It's hard.

Joe Rogan 52:14 ... I'm not questioning your fitness.

Ben Greenfield 52:16 I, I do a headstand. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:17 I'm just wondering what you're doing actually in the sauna.

Ben Greenfield 52:19 Mm. Yeah, dif-... I make it up as I go.

Joe Rogan 52:22 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 52:22 I don't have, like, um, I was-

Joe Rogan 52:23 Just based on how you feel?

Ben Greenfield 52:24 Well, I was speaking in, in Co-... That's why I'm down here. I was speaking at Costa Mesa, uh, a couple of days ago and there was like this, this banquet dinner as part of the event, and I was sitting next to this guy. I'm like, "Well, what do you do for, you know, your fitness routine," et cetera. He does Bikram yoga every day, but like the Bikram yoga.

Joe Rogan 52:39 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 52:39 Like all of the poses that are part of Bikram yoga 'cause it's a set series of routines.

Joe Rogan 52:43 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 52:43 You've done Bikram before?

Joe Rogan 52:44 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 52:45 Yeah, it's like 90 minutes, and he does that-

Joe Rogan 52:46 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 52:46 ... every single-

Joe Rogan 52:47 I did it nine days in a row.

Ben Greenfield 52:49 ... day. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:49 But, yeah, with Sober October-

Ben Greenfield 52:50 No, he's been doing it for like eight years every day.

Joe Rogan 52:52 I'm impressed-

Ben Greenfield 52:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:53 ... 'cause we did it, uh, we did Sober October and we had to do 15 of them in a month-

Ben Greenfield 52:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:56 ... me and a bunch of my friends-

Ben Greenfield 52:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:58 ... and I, I wanted to burn it out, so the last nine days... Well, uh, I had a few days to go, but for nine days I just said, "Let me just get these out of the way."

Ben Greenfield 53:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:05 And every day I did 90 minutes and it was like, "Wow."

Ben Greenfield 53:08 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:08 But it's interesting because you realize-

Ben Greenfield 53:09 It's-

Joe Rogan 53:09 ... that your body can do that.

Ben Greenfield 53:11 (sighs) It is, it is-

Joe Rogan 53:11 You just force it.

Ben Greenfield 53:12 I don't like to overdo it, though, because it's static stretching.

Joe Rogan 53:15 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 53:15 And we know that can decrease force potential, like it can decrease power production-

Joe Rogan 53:19 Sure.

Ben Greenfield 53:19 ... if you become too pliable, too flexible.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Is that, isn't that the case though pre-workout? Like-

Ben Greenfield 53:24 Uh, well-

Joe Rogan 53:24 ... pre-workout, they're saying you should-

Ben Greenfield 53:25 ... it's the case pre-workout, but chronically, if you elongate tissue, and I don't know if they've actually done any studies on people who have done yoga for a really long time-

Joe Rogan 53:34 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 53:34 ... and compared, like, their, their vertical jump right before and after.

Joe Rogan 53:38 Right.

Ben Greenfield 53:38 But I just feel almost too stretchy if I get too into it. Like, I feel like when I run it's a little bit more like Gumby running-

Joe Rogan 53:45 Hmm.

Ben Greenfield 53:46 ... versus limiting the amount of yoga-

Joe Rogan 53:48 That's weird. That's interesting. That's weird.

Ben Greenfield 53:49 ... that I do. And definitely, definitely static stretching prior to force production-

Joe Rogan 53:53 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 53:53 ... is, is not a good idea.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Right, like prior to things like-

Ben Greenfield 53:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:56 ... squats or something like that.

Ben Greenfield 53:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:57 They don't recommend it?

Ben Greenfield 53:57 It was like when the, when the lights went out during the Super Bowl a few years ago, you remember that?

Joe Rogan 54:01 Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield 54:01 And you could see on TV both teams were just like standing on the sidelines or sitting on the sideline doing these long hamstring static stretches-

Joe Rogan 54:09 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 54:10 ... and, and, and I wondered why they were doing that, 'cause they were about to get back in-

Joe Rogan 54:13 Right.

Ben Greenfield 54:14 ... and, and engage in a very, you know, powerful, explosive sport. So, yeah, it's, it's, uh, dynamic stretching definitely.... prior-

Joe Rogan 54:21 Right.

Ben Greenfield 54:21 ... prior to force production activities, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:23 Yeah.

Ben Greenfield 54:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:23 I wonder why they're doing ... Maybe they just have really old-school trainers or something like that, are not aware.

Ben Greenfield 54:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Or maybe they just do it-

Ben Greenfield 54:28 But, uh-

Joe Rogan 54:28 ... on their own.

Ben Greenfield 54:28 Before I do that isometric training, um, for, for power production, I've got two things. (swallowing sound) I bought this stuff called Nose Torq on Amazon. You ever hear of this stuff?

Joe Rogan 54:37 Nose Torq?

Ben Greenfield 54:37 It's like smelling salts on steroids.

Joe Rogan 54:39 No. Really?

Ben Greenfield 54:40 So, uh, yeah, a power lifter told me about it and he, he would sniff it before he'll go like, you know-

Joe Rogan 54:44 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 54:44 ... rip a 700-pound bar off the ground and you s-

Joe Rogan 54:47 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 54:47 You snort the ... You open up the cap-

Joe Rogan 54:49 Oh my God.

Ben Greenfield 54:50 ... on this stuff and it's just like releasing a wild animal into the room and it-

Joe Rogan 54:54 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 54:54 So you release the cap, it's like smelling salts on steroids and you smell and you just wanna go kill somebody or find somebody.

Joe Rogan 54:59 Really?

Ben Greenfield 54:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:00 What is it called?

Ben Greenfield 55:00 It's called Nose, Nose Torq or Nose Turk.

Joe Rogan 55:03 Torquato K, T-O-

Ben Greenfield 55:04 I forget. It's something like that, like, No- Nose Torq. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:07 T-O-R-Q.

Ben Greenfield 55:08 T-O-R-Q, yeah, there you go. And so I do that and then the other one that I, I, I just made this. You can buy this for like pennies on the dollar on Amazon. Yeah, you can get these essential oil inhalers.

Joe Rogan 55:18 So here's some guy just smelling it, here we go.

Ben Greenfield 55:19 Yeah, oh.

Joe Rogan 55:20 He can't even get it near his face. He's got it way out-

Ben Greenfield 55:22 Yeah, no, it's, it's hard. Like, it packs a punch.

Joe Rogan 55:24 But what is it supposed to do?

Ben Greenfield 55:25 Plus ... Did he just do it or is he getting ready to do it?

Joe Rogan 55:27 He just opened it up.

Ben Greenfield 55:27 It's like smelling sal- it's ammonia, so it-

Joe Rogan 55:29 Right.

Ben Greenfield 55:29 ... it, uh, uh, I don't know chemically, like, I would imagine it just puts your sympathetic nervous system into overdrive when, when you sniff all that ammonia. Like, he's been-

Joe Rogan 55:39 And so you-

Ben Greenfield 55:39 He's being really gingery. He's like, "Oh."

Joe Rogan 55:40 He's a pussy.

Ben Greenfield 55:41 I've-

Joe Rogan 55:42 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 55:42 I don't, I've, I've done it-

Joe Rogan 55:42 Sorry, bud, I'm just kidding.

Ben Greenfield 55:43 I've done it with some of my friends at restaurants. I carry it around sometimes.

Joe Rogan 55:45 Oh, Jesus. You bring it into a restaurant?

Ben Greenfield 55:47 Um, I have, I have some out in my bow case actually. You can-

Joe Rogan 55:49 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 55:49 You can smell it.

Joe Rogan 55:50 Go get it.

Ben Greenfield 55:50 Um, right now? You wanna s-

Joe Rogan 55:52 Yeah, fuck it.

Ben Greenfield 55:52 You wanna sniff it right now?

Joe Rogan 55:53 Yeah, let's do it on air.

Ben Greenfield 55:54 All right. Let's do it.

Joe Rogan 55:55 Go grab it. Go grab it.

Ben Greenfield 55:55 All right. Nose Torq. It's out in the car.

Joe Rogan 55:57 Yeah. Oh, it's in the car.

Ben Greenfield 55:58 It's in the... You know what? We'll do it-

Joe Rogan 55:59 Okay.

Ben Greenfield 55:59 We'll do it after.

Joe Rogan 56:00 We'll do it later.

Ben Greenfield 56:00 It'll, it would be boring podcasting.

Joe Rogan 56:02 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 56:02 Plus, if people w- really wanna try it, they can just buy it on Amazon. Um, but the other one is, um-

Joe Rogan 56:06 So, it jacks your system up and excites you.

Ben Greenfield 56:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:08 It allows you to ... So they should be on the field doing that before they, uh ...

Ben Greenfield 56:13 I don't know if I would recommend that.

Joe Rogan 56:14 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 56:15 There, there will probably be some guys with, like, nosebleeds and heart attacks.

Joe Rogan 56:17 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 56:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:18 That fucking smell.

Ben Greenfield 56:19 Yeah, they, they, um, the other one is, uh, uh, peppermint. Have you ever used, like, peppermint oil? And they've done studies on this, on peppermint oil-

Joe Rogan 56:27 Really?

Ben Greenfield 56:27 ... and athletic performance and what I have is this little, uh, it, it looks like a little tampon, right? You can buy these on Amazon, they're called aromatherapy inhalers.

Joe Rogan 56:36 Mm.

Ben Greenfield 56:36 And it's like this little cotton wick and you put it ... You, you put essential oil on the cotton wick, right, so it absorbs into the wick. And then you put the cap on and you can carry this around to the gym in your pocket or I, I play tennis on Wednesday nights so I bring it to my tennis matches and while I'm playing tennis, I'll stop sometimes and, and sniff this thing.

Joe Rogan 56:53 (laughs)

Ben Greenfield 56:53 Kinda stay, like, awake and alert and dude, like, it ... It's just peppermint. It's just peppermint, but it has this amazing effect. It's like this wakefulness promoting effect.

Joe Rogan 57:01 Wow. Peppermint.

Ben Greenfield 57:02 Yeah. Peppermint's amazing, but, like, if you get bloating or gas, you can smear that around your, your stomach and it makes it go away.

Joe Rogan 57:08 It goes through your skin?

Ben Greenfield 57:08 It's one of my, it's one of my favorite oils to use. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:11 How does that work?

Ben Greenfield 57:11 It gets absorbed through the skin. I mean, you know this. The skin is, skin is a mouth and it absorbs all the stuff-

Joe Rogan 57:15 Yeah, but I mean, it gets all the way in your internal organs?

Ben Greenfield 57:17 I don't know if it actually goes into the actual stomach, like, in, like, like, through the, through the epithelial lining and into the, into the actual intestine, but, like, it, it has an effect for sure, in terms of-

Joe Rogan 57:28 Um, you know what I just started using recently is topical CBD. I got-

Ben Greenfield 57:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:32 ... some, uh, topical CBD in, like, a roll-on.

Ben Greenfield 57:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:34 Almost like a, a deodorant roll-on kind of a thing.

Ben Greenfield 57:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:36 It's amazing.

Ben Greenfield 57:37 Yeah. CBD, there's a, there's one, um, I use this stuff called BioCBD and it's turmeric, or curcumin, with CBD.

Joe Rogan 57:46 Oh.

Ben Greenfield 57:46 And that and, yeah, it's the same thing. It's like a topical. They also do, uh, THC, like, THC roll-ons.

Joe Rogan 57:53 Yeah, they do that now.

Ben Greenfield 57:54 That's another thing, speaking of the, of the sexual performance thing. You can actually buy, like, THC sex lube.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Whoa.

Ben Greenfield 58:00 And, I mean, it's like a high for your crotch. Literally, you apply it locally and it's like your crotch gets a high.

Joe Rogan 58:05 I believe it.

Ben Greenfield 58:05 You can do, you can do the same thing with these little, uh, coconut oil THC suppository ... Well, they're