Joe Rogan Experience #1071 - Steven Crowder & NotGay Jared

1. 0:00 – 0:22

   Going live & opening banter: parody strikes and ‘nice’ brands coming after comedians

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... the dragon's mouth in this thing. Five, four, three, two, one. (silence) Yes, and we're live.

   2. SCSteven Crowder0:09

      Oh, okay.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Gentlemen, hello.

   4. NJNotGay Jared0:10

      Hello.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      You still have the ability to go live, that's nice.

   6. NJNotGay Jared0:12

      Yes.

   7. SCSteven Crowder0:12

      Oh, yeah. You guys get fucked.

   8. NJNotGay Jared0:13

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Who'd you get fucked by? Mr. Rogers fucked you?

   10. SCSteven Crowder0:15

       Yeah, Mr. Rogers. It's funny-

   11. NJNotGay Jared0:17

       (laughs)

   12. SCSteven Crowder0:17

       ... the people who go after us, the Bob Ross Estate, every Mr. Rogers-

   13. NJNotGay Jared0:20

       Every woman over the age of 90's dream-

   14. SCSteven Crowder0:21

       Yeah.

   15. NJNotGay Jared0:22

       ... to scream, "Mr. Rogers."

2. 0:22 – 1:51

   Bob Ross & Muhammad parody: cease-and-desist culture and YouTube’s strike system

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      But this is what's confusing, which most of what you guys do in terms of, like, the Bob Ross thing in particular. First of all, that was, that took a lot of balls.

   2. SCSteven Crowder0:30

      Thank you.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      Because this is, uh, you- you had Bob Ross painting Muhammad.

   4. SCSteven Crowder0:34

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:34

      Which is, uh-

   6. SCSteven Crowder0:35

      In period blood, the second one, because they-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:36

      (laughs)

   8. SCSteven Crowder0:36

      ... the BuzzFeed women were doing the painting.

   9. NJNotGay Jared0:38

      Yeah.

   10. SCSteven Crowder0:38

       It was YouTube.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah.

   12. SCSteven Crowder0:39

       This was act- actually after a meeting with YouTube. Remember I said-

   13. NJNotGay Jared0:41

       Never ask them how you can top something, because we'll- we'll period blood-

   14. SCSteven Crowder0:44

       Pull the sucker right up to you. There you go.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah, yeah.

   16. NJNotGay Jared0:46

       It's almost like a no.

   17. SCSteven Crowder0:46

       You should know.

   18. NJNotGay Jared0:47

       I should almost say, "No, I'm not gonna work with these guys."

   19. SCSteven Crowder0:47

       You're an SM7 in our studio.

   20. NJNotGay Jared0:48

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       (laughs)

   22. SCSteven Crowder0:50

       Um-

   23. NJNotGay Jared0:50

       I don't know.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       But, yeah. We were- we went to YouTube.

   25. SCSteven Crowder0:52

       Um, so the Bob Ross Estate got after you, but- but that's parody. How can they mock you or how can they get you in trouble for mocking something or doing parody? Well, it's like, here's why. You have a system with YouTube, right, where they just strike.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Yeah.

   27. SCSteven Crowder1:02

       They just strike you and you lose your privileges whether you win or not. We've never lost.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       True.

   29. SCSteven Crowder1:06

       So the Bob Ross Estate sent us a message.

   30. NJNotGay Jared1:09

       Mm-hmm.
3. 1:51 – 2:29

   Mr. Rogers parodies and the ambiguity of satire rules

   1. SCSteven Crowder1:51

      And now- and now we have Mr. Rogers.

   2. NJNotGay Jared1:53

      Now what is Mr. Rogers mad about?

   3. SCSteven Crowder1:55

      We did a parody. We did a few parodies of, uh, you know, Won't You Be My Neighbor intros. That was it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:59

      How-

   5. NJNotGay Jared1:59

      Like a year ago.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:00

      But again, how- how could someone put a strike on you for a parody? I mean, I thought that is protected.

   7. SCSteven Crowder2:06

      Well, you know, you get into the realm of parody and satire-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:08

      Yes.

   9. SCSteven Crowder2:08

      ... and it's... But- but even then, it depends on who looks at it. That's the problem with YouTube.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       Right.

   11. NJNotGay Jared2:11

       Yeah.

   12. SCSteven Crowder2:11

       Right? If someone... Last time, we got our privileges back.

   13. NJNotGay Jared2:14

       Mm-hmm.

   14. SCSteven Crowder2:14

       This time we didn't.

   15. NJNotGay Jared2:15

       Pretty quickly.

   16. SCSteven Crowder2:15

       We're like, listen, we've never lost a case. We've counter filed. We've always won. This is clearly parody. The Mr. Rogers was actually your brother doing it on a keyboard.

   17. NJNotGay Jared2:23

       W- we made an attraction for it, so we didn't even borrow any of their- their- their logos, their... Nothing.

   18. SCSteven Crowder2:27

       Nothing.

   19. NJNotGay Jared2:28

       100% original.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       Right.

   21. NJNotGay Jared2:29

       Yeah.

4. 2:29 – 3:50

   Inside YouTube’s conservative creator summit: polite tour, no clear answers

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      Now here's what's fucked up. Uh, you were telling me about a meeting that you guys had when you went to New York for YouTube.

   2. SCSteven Crowder2:35

      Mm-hmm.

   3. NJNotGay Jared2:35

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:35

      And they were comparing, like, what- what is demonetized and what's not demonetized, and they had something. Would you just explain what happened?

   5. SCSteven Crowder2:43

      It's... We- we don't exactly know because it's boilerplate answers, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:47

      Right.

   7. NJNotGay Jared2:47

      Uh-huh.

   8. SCSteven Crowder2:47

      We- we get brought out, uh... A bunch of conservatives get brought out to New York.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:50

      Who, like who was with you?

   10. SCSteven Crowder2:52

       With you? Well, us, you know, the- the-

   11. NJNotGay Jared2:54

       The Prager U guys.

   12. SCSteven Crowder2:54

       ... uh, Daily Wire people, the Prager U, who were really cool. You know, Ben Shapiro's guys, those guys at Forward Publishing.

   13. NJNotGay Jared2:58

       Several think tanks.

   14. SCSteven Crowder2:58

       And then a bunch of think tanks.

   15. NJNotGay Jared2:59

       Just think tanks mostly.

   16. SCSteven Crowder3:00

       And everyone sat there and played nice and they bring out this whole spread. They bring you into the Google offices.

   17. NJNotGay Jared3:04

       Give you a tour of the place.

   18. SCSteven Crowder3:05

       Uh, they give you a tour.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       This is in New York?

   20. NJNotGay Jared3:07

       We were there for a tour.

   21. SCSteven Crowder3:07

       This is in New York.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       This is in New York.

   23. NJNotGay Jared3:08

       New York.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       Do they fly you out or they ask you to fly out?

   25. NJNotGay Jared3:09

       No, they- they fly you out.

   26. SCSteven Crowder3:10

       (laughs)

   27. NJNotGay Jared3:10

       They pay for our, they pay for the whole thing.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       Really?

   29. SCSteven Crowder3:11

       They pay for the whole thing.

   30. NJNotGay Jared3:12

       Put you up.
5. 3:50 – 5:20

   Double standards example: BuzzFeed period-blood trending vs conservative restrictions

   1. SCSteven Crowder3:50

      Oh, and that's what happened. That's was the period blood.

   2. NJNotGay Jared3:52

      Peri- yeah.

   3. SCSteven Crowder3:52

      They're like, "Well, you know, things that are hate speech, things that could be offensive, things like current events that could be controversial." And so everyone's sitting there-

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:59

      That's life.

   5. SCSteven Crowder3:59

      Yeah. But I just said, remember I said, "What about, uh, what about BuzzFeed women painting in period blood in the trending feed? Painting in-

   6. NJNotGay Jared4:04

      Last- yeah, last week.

   7. SCSteven Crowder4:05

      ... in viscousy, chunky period blood in the home feed that's on YouTube trending. What about that? Is that considered, like, child friendly?" And conservatives were then there looking back at us like, (gasps) like we were ruining the movie. I'm sitting like, "Wh- why are we here?"

   8. NJNotGay Jared4:17

      Yeah.

   9. SCSteven Crowder4:17

      You know?

   10. NJNotGay Jared4:17

       Right.

   11. SCSteven Crowder4:17

       That's an big problem. People don't say anything.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       Well, that is a very valid discussion. That's valid.

   13. NJNotGay Jared4:23

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       Like what... If you can't... I mean, if you can paint in period blood, and I don't think you should be restricted. I think if you want to paint in period blood, as long as I know what you're doing, it says painting in period blood. Well, I'm going to avoid that one.

   15. SCSteven Crowder4:32

       (laughs)

   16. NJNotGay Jared4:32

       If they were proud of the title. It was- it was in the title.

   17. SCSteven Crowder4:34

       Yeah, I'm on my feet.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Well, I might actually watch it, but here's the thing.

   19. NJNotGay Jared4:37

       (laughs)

   20. SCSteven Crowder4:37

       Not- not these women.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       I might, I might just for the hell of it.

   22. NJNotGay Jared4:40

       This is the Boldly Channel.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       But the point is, like, I don't-

   24. SCSteven Crowder4:42

       (laughs) Boldly.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       I don't want to take that right away from them.

   26. SCSteven Crowder4:45

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       I just, I'm confused by what- what is okay, what's not okay.

   28. NJNotGay Jared4:49

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       You can't... They- they embolden the right if you silence them. You embolden the left if you silence them.

   30. NJNotGay Jared4:55

       Right.
6. 5:20 – 10:02

   How takedowns ignore law: releases, consent states, and forced blurring

   1. SCSteven Crowder5:20

      Well, YouTube doesn't even respect the laws. Here's something that can happen with YouTube, just to give you an example. People out there... A lot of people don't know this. So there's, you know, single-party consent state, two-party consent state. California is one of the few, uh, states where you have both people have to know they're on camera. Now even sometimes in a two-party consent state, there's no reasonable expectation of privacy if you're at a public event. Right? If you're at a public protest, you can't say, "Hey, you can't take my picture." You're there publicly protesting.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:42

      Right.

   3. SCSteven Crowder5:42

      So these are legal layers, right? We had someone in a single-party consent state in Michigan on camera at a public protest sign a release-... to give an interview and then complained to YouTube and said, "I don't wanna be on that video." And it didn't matter that we presented the law, the paperwork to YouTube. It was taken down. We had to blur the face. But did they-

   4. GUGuest6:01

      It, it didn't look bad.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      Was, w- was it under false pretenses? Like, did they think that you were doing one thing and you're really doing something else?

   6. SCSteven Crowder6:08

      No, the crazy thing is this actually was a guy who-

   7. GUGuest6:10

      Who agreed with us on almost everything.

   8. SCSteven Crowder6:11

      Yeah, he was talking about divestment. He was really smart.

   9. GUGuest6:13

      Oh, maybe that's what he was pissed about. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Well, you know what? He probably just got a lot of feedback and was like, "This is freaking me out. I wanna get out of this."

   11. SCSteven Crowder6:18

       Yeah, but as a content creator you can't be like, "Well, sorry you didn't like it."

   12. GUGuest6:21

       Right. Right.

   13. SCSteven Crowder6:22

       Yeah, we don't-

   14. GUGuest6:22

       No.

   15. SCSteven Crowder6:22

       I mean, like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       Right. But you can understand, like, his perspective, like him trying to get it taken down. If you're a general public person and you don't know what the fuck you're doing, you say something, you don't think-

   17. GUGuest6:31

       He put Elena Dunham. He realized later he was raped. It was much later.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       Yeah. (laughs)

   19. GUGuest6:35

       It was retroactively taken down.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Oh, Elena Dunham, ugh.

   21. SCSteven Crowder6:38

       Ugh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:38

       Now, um, what did they say-

   23. SCSteven Crowder6:40

       I feel like every time we come on here, we talk about her.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:40

       ... when you, when you pu- pointed out the whole period blood thing, painting in period blood. What-

   25. SCSteven Crowder6:46

       Dead silence.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       No one said anything?

   27. SCSteven Crowder6:48

       No.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       They didn't respond to you?

   29. SCSteven Crowder6:49

       Like, and that's a good... You know, and then later, that's a good question, we'll get to that later in the day. So later in the day was when they came out with this Next Gen News and we were just like... It got to the point where G-

   30. GUGuest6:57

       Next Gen News.
7. 10:02 – 15:59

   Algorithmic enforcement & strikes for ‘liking’: Sam Harris/Douglas Murray example

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:02

      But especially on YouTube, I mean, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with using that language. I had a conversation, I told you about this, that I had a conversation with this woman from YouTube and one of the things that we were talking about was demonetization, and we were talking about, like, why things get flagged. And I was talking about a conversation that got flagged on some... Jamie, what is it called when someone recommends something and they have it in their feed, like their, their preferred playlist, like a regular person, not a content creator. But if they have it on, on their... You know how you can do that? You can have it in your channel, like, you could...

   2. SCSteven Crowder10:34

      I think it's just, like, suggested playlists, it's their algorithms.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:36

      Yeah.

   4. GUGuest10:36

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:37

      Is that what it's called? You would, you would call it a... But not their algorithms, like, you would pick it. Like, say if I watch one of your vid- video on Bob Ross and I liked it.

   6. GUGuest10:44

      Do you put in your queue? That kinda thing?

   7. SCSteven Crowder10:45

      Is that what it is? Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:46

      You put 'em up.

   9. SCSteven Crowder10:46

      Oh, the queue, yes. Okay. So this guy got- Gosh, I feel like we're, I feel really stupid right now.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:50

       ... flagged.

   11. SCSteven Crowder10:50

       Like, none of us just got that one little-

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:52

       We're, we're all on YouTube too by the way, you stupid asses.

   13. GUGuest10:55

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:55

       But, um, so this guy got flagged and it was just a conversation between Sam Harris and some other guy, I forgot who he was, was a, an intellectual. And it was about left-wing culture, and it was about left-wing radical, you know, ideology. And they were criticizing it, and this, this got his channel flagged. And I was like, "Well, how is this possible?" And she's like, "Well, he's advocating that people watch this and it must promote hate speech." I'm like, "I fucking guarantee you that doesn't promote hate speech."

   15. SCSteven Crowder11:24

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       "Did you guys even watch it or does somebody else complain about it and flag it?" And then I brought up Jordan Peterson, who by the way was just here, just left. Um...

   17. SCSteven Crowder11:31

       Yeah, he's gonna be on our show next week too.

   18. GUGuest11:33

       I smell Canada.

   19. SCSteven Crowder11:34

       You can still smell Maples here.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:36

       You can smell maple syrup.

   21. GUGuest11:37

       The lagers.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:37

       And, uh, she said, like, he's a problem. Uh, he's a, he's a bit of a problem, he's a troublemaker. I'm like, "He's a troublemaker. Like, what, 'cause he has his own opinions on things?" Like, what is going on? Like, what, what... Are you guys promoting a very specific ideology and anyone who differs from that is hate speech? 'Cause we're getting crazy if that's the case.

   23. SCSteven Crowder11:58

       I think a lot of them don't know.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:59

       Here it is.

   25. SCSteven Crowder12:00

       Oh, is this it?

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:01

       Yeah. Douglas Murray.

   27. SCSteven Crowder12:02

       Hey, look, I can see it over there now.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:03

       "Community guideline strike for just listening to an honest intellectual conversation between Sam Harris and Douglas Murray." Who's the guy who got, who got it taken down? Yeah, um, the man's, uh, PTRKCCX.

   29. GUGuest12:16

       He's very bold.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:17

       Yeah. So-
8. 15:59 – 20:14

   Silicon Valley ideology, ‘blunt tools,’ and the YouTube Kids horror rabbit hole

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:59

      Well, I think this is indicative of the ideology that radiates throughout Silicon Valley which is radical left, progressive, neo-Marxist sort of ideology. And there's so much of that going on throughout Silicon Valley, so much in the tech community, so much uber progressive thinking, which, you know, look, I think all of it comes from the right place. I think they all want no racism. You know, they, they want no hate speech. They all want wonderful things. But you can't just decide arbitrarily what is and isn't based on your perspective. You, you, you have to look at it ... You have to look at it honestly.

   2. SCSteven Crowder16:37

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:37

      You know? And I don't think they're doing that. I think when you look at that Douglass Murray, Sam Harris thing, and the guy get- getting a community strike for just liking it. I mean, this is crazy. This is-

   4. GUGuest16:47

      So they, they, they take an authoritarian approach to solving the whole thing, which-

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:50

      Yes.

   6. GUGuest16:51

      ... and then, and then refuse to accept the results, which is the Donald Trump presidency and-

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:55

      Right.

   8. SCSteven Crowder16:55

      Yeah.

   9. GUGuest16:55

      ... the things they've created, so ...

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       Well, in their defense, one of the things that they did say to me, that the problem that they're dealing with-

   11. GUGuest17:01

       Was it the YouTube people?

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       Yes, the YouTube people.

   13. SCSteven Crowder17:03

       Okay.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       The problem what they're dealing with is blunt tools. They're saying these tools that demonetize things, they're not good yet. And she said within the next six to eight months, they're going to get better.

   15. SCSteven Crowder17:12

       Bullshit.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:12

       And they're working on them. I don't know. I mean, she's-

   17. SCSteven Crowder17:14

       Okay. Hold on a second.

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       But let me ... Let me just express her perspective.

   19. SCSteven Crowder17:18

       Yes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:18

       She was saying that they have made significant strides since they first started doing it, and they're getting better at it. They're getting better at isolating ... And one of the things we discussed is those fucking creepy cartoons. You know, I'm sure you've seen those.

   21. SCSteven Crowder17:30

       Oh, yeah. The child molestation stuff.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       Well, the violence stuff. A lot of it, like babies getting hit in the head by bottles.

   23. SCSteven Crowder17:35

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       Have you seen those?

   25. SCSteven Crowder17:36

       No.

   26. GUGuest17:37

       I've watched good things. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:38

       (laughs) You know what we're talking about.

   28. GUGuest17:39

       I've watched nice things.

   29. SCSteven Crowder17:40

       You know what we're talking about.

   30. GUGuest17:40

       I've heard of it, but I've never seen it though.
9. 20:14 – 21:02

   Creators, sponsors, and ‘advertiser-friendly’ myths: mismatched ads and audience targeting

   1. SCSteven Crowder20:14

      All right. But the point is he can't claim he has the most advanced, you know, uh, tech company in the world and then on our channel you're, you're, you're getting ads for Muslim singles and gay cruises. It's like, hold on a second, your algorithm can't figure out-

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:26

      That's kind of funny.

   3. SCSteven Crowder20:26

      It is pretty funny, like don't get me wrong, but we're not getting any money from those ads. Like you can't find ... That means that if our videos are controversial, right, our videos are not a violation of guidelines, there are sponsors out there. I mean, we see it with Walther, you know, our firearm company came to sponsor. They seek us out because it's worth octuple to them because they want to reach our audience.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:43

      Right.

   5. SCSteven Crowder20:43

      Whereas YouTube says, "Well, no, it's not advertiser friendly." No, no, it's not advertiser friendly for the people you have on there. It's not gay cruise advertiser friendly, but you're telling me you have the most advanced algorithms in the world and you're running ads for Young Turks on my video. Like I don't buy it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:55

      Do they really?

   7. SCSteven Crowder20:56

      Yeah, I think so. I mean, I see a bunch-

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:58

      That's hilarious.

   9. SCSteven Crowder20:58

      ... of leftist ads on my channel.

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:59

       They might do that on purpose.

   11. SCSteven Crowder21:00

       I- it would be hysterical.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:01

       After your Cenk impression.

   13. GUGuest21:02

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:02

       Yeah.

10. 21:02 – 27:50

    Cenk/Uygur conflict dynamics and why long-form debate exposes weak ideas

    1. SCSteven Crowder21:02

       When you, when you went to that one conference and you, uh, went as him.

    2. JRJoe Rogan21:07

       Yeah.

    3. SCSteven Crowder21:07

       He-

    4. JRJoe Rogan21:07

       He, he just goes all, "Oh, sorry Cenk, sorry Cenk."

    5. SCSteven Crowder21:10

       It was very disappointing. I would've thought that was hilarious if I was him.

    6. GUGuest21:12

       (laughs)

    7. SCSteven Crowder21:13

       I mean, first of all, it was disappointing there was only 20 people in there. I wouldn't even have gone. I'd have been like, "Look, uh, let's take this to a smaller place 'cause if a video gets out of this, this is fucking embarrassing." (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan21:23

       Yes. (laughs)

    9. SCSteven Crowder21:23

       There's 20 people in this one room and, and then you walked in as him. I didn't wanna do it.

    10. JRJoe Rogan21:29

        Right.

    11. SCSteven Crowder21:29

        Like he had called me out and this ... We've had people even on this, uh, uh, on this show-

    12. JRJoe Rogan21:32

        Wait a minute. Of course you wanted to do it. That's why you did it.

    13. SCSteven Crowder21:35

        No, no, he knows I didn't wanna do it. I was like, "But I feel like I have to," because he called me out and I said, "I accept." You know, basically like, "Okay, let's ha-" And then nothing.

    14. JRJoe Rogan21:41

        He called you out how so? For a debate?

    15. SCSteven Crowder21:42

        He was constantly talking trash. I mean, "Oh, Steven Crowder is a self-styled comedian. Ah, he sucks. Bullshit." You know, that whole thing.

    16. JRJoe Rogan21:48

        (laughs)

    17. SCSteven Crowder21:48

        So it's like, okay, I responded. I'm like, "Let's hash this out." He will mention ... He will rebut every Tom, Dick, and Harry on YouTube not named Steven Crowder. So at this point, I was just trying to get an interview with him. And we've, so we've had people on our show we disagree with. We do an hour long Change My Mind where I sit down and listen to someone scream at me. I'm more than willing.

    18. JRJoe Rogan22:05

        The video you did though where you were drinking the bacon grease and you did Ana-

    19. SCSteven Crowder22:08

        It was pretty mean.

    20. JRJoe Rogan22:09

        You did him. (laughs)

    21. GUGuest22:10

        (laughs)

    22. SCSteven Crowder22:10

        No, it was funny. Come on, man. It's fucking funny. It made me laugh.

    23. GUGuest22:14

        (laughs)

    24. SCSteven Crowder22:14

        But the, the point is he forced my hand.

    25. JRJoe Rogan22:16

        Right.

    26. SCSteven Crowder22:16

        I had to do it. Like he ... It's like that guy in diner has to punch all the people who ganged up on him at the baseball diamond throughout the f- ... Like that's ... I was like, "Well, now I have to do this with Cenk because there's no other recourse." And he kept going to the audience. The only reason we showed the audience-

    27. JRJoe Rogan22:28

        It's like YouTube, there's no other recourse.

    28. SCSteven Crowder22:29

        Yeah.

    29. GUGuest22:29

        He's like-

    30. JRJoe Rogan22:30

        You have to go to Traini Bane.
11. 27:50 – 33:59

    Undercover at a transgender town hall: puberty blockers, ‘Rex Butt,’ and takedown pressure

    1. JRJoe Rogan27:50

       Um, what I wanted to talk to you guys about is, uh, some of my favorite stuff that you've done. Um, and so my favorite stuff that you've done is the undercover shit. And one of the things that I found the most disturbing was when you two posed as a gay couple and you went to that place where they were advocating transgender children.

    2. SCSteven Crowder28:07

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan28:08

       And, and transitioning children as young as three years old. Right?

    4. SCSteven Crowder28:12

       Uh, I don't know if it was three years old, but puberty blockers-

    5. JRJoe Rogan28:13

       Yeah.

    6. SCSteven Crowder28:13

       ... they were talking about.

    7. JRJoe Rogan28:14

       Yeah. But I think it was really fucking ... No, no. You know what? Actually three years old was Owen Benjamin got in an argument on Twitter-

    8. SCSteven Crowder28:21

       Yeah, yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan28:21

       ... and lost his manager because he was saying that someone is fucking insane for giving puberty blockers to a three-year-old kid, for giving hormone blockers to a baby.

    10. GUGuest28:31

        Yeah. Asshole.

    11. JRJoe Rogan28:32

        Which I am ... Fuck yeah. That's not even a strong enough word.

    12. GUGuest28:35

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan28:35

        I mean, it's insanity. Fucking insanity. I mean, your- your body's not even developed. You're not even close. We're not talking about 18. We're not even talking about 21, which is arguable still crazy. Like, you really should probably wait until your fucking frontal cortex fully develops-

    14. SCSteven Crowder28:49

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan28:49

        ... to figure out who you are. But the idea that you're gonna know at three who you're gonna be when you're 30, it's-

    16. SCSteven Crowder28:54

        Well, they present the other side.

    17. JRJoe Rogan28:55

        ... bananas.

    18. SCSteven Crowder28:56

        They act as though you're crazy.

    19. JRJoe Rogan28:57

        Right.

    20. SCSteven Crowder28:57

        They were like, "Well, you know, the thing is with the puberty..." Remember that person who looked like Smee? With the g- looked like Smee from Hook?

    21. JRJoe Rogan29:02

        Well, let's play it.

    22. GUGuest29:03

        Smee with Hook, but-

    23. JRJoe Rogan29:04

        Let's, let's play-

    24. GUGuest29:04

        ... but sounds like-

    25. JRJoe Rogan29:04

        ... some of it because it's-

    26. GUGuest29:06

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan29:06

        ... it's fucking nuts. When I watched it I was like, "Oh, my God." Like, "What are these people saying?" And they, they, they're-

    28. SCSteven Crowder29:11

        It's been taken down since you asked me about that too.

    29. JRJoe Rogan29:14

        Really?

    30. SCSteven Crowder29:14

        Yeah. We have to just have to blurt the guy... Well, I'm not afraid.
12. 33:59 – 46:26

    Where to draw the line: adult transition vs children, and weaponizing ‘hate speech’ labels

    1. JRJoe Rogan33:59

       Yeah. Well, not only that, there's a lot of people in the transgender community that think it's offensive to assume that you have to get an operation and get your penis removed in order to be transgender.

    2. SCSteven Crowder34:07

       Most of them don't.

    3. JRJoe Rogan34:07

       So this guy is making this big assumption that this is what you have to do in order to transition. I know a lot of people that are transgender that do not have the operation. I don't know a lot of people, I should just say that. (laughs)

    4. SCSteven Crowder34:19

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:19

       I'm in a community focus group with transgender people.

    6. SCSteven Crowder34:22

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan34:22

       By the way-

    8. SCSteven Crowder34:23

       I attend Town Halls.

    9. JRJoe Rogan34:23

       ... let me say this too, I'm 100% in favor of grown adults deciding to transition. You know, I think you should have- be able to tattoo your face, get nose rings, I don't give a fuck what you do.

    10. SCSteven Crowder34:32

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan34:32

        I really don't, you know? Yeah, but you're also not asking the government to pay for your face tattoos.

    12. SCSteven Crowder34:34

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan34:35

        Yes, that's true. Well, and there was another thing, um, here I'll- I'll send this to you, Jamie, um, that was some, uh, research today that, uh, someone put out. Here I'll- I'll, let's play this and I'll- I'll forward this to you, Jamie. I'll text this to you. Keep playing.

    14. GUGuest34:49

        That's it?

    15. SCSteven Crowder34:50

        That's it.

    16. JRJoe Rogan34:50

        That's that clip.

    17. SCSteven Crowder34:51

        Okay.

    18. JRJoe Rogan34:51

        I don't know. But yeah, it- I mean that was... The thing is, that's a good example. It's a public Town Hall.

    19. SCSteven Crowder34:56

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan34:56

        Which we attend. And it gets removed from YouTube because someone who handed us his business card, Rex Butt-

    21. SCSteven Crowder35:03

        Business card.

    22. JRJoe Rogan35:03

        ... who's hilarious by the way. Like we didn't- he- this- the rest of us, we weren't nearly as mad about this as we were just- just- just en- doubled over in laughter at the guy's name being Rex Butt. It's hilarious. (laughs)

    23. SCSteven Crowder35:12

        Did you know he had trouble getting- securing the URL rights to his own name?

    24. JRJoe Rogan35:15

        (laughs)

    25. GUGuest35:16

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan35:16

        There was nothing.

    27. SCSteven Crowder35:16

        Completely different website.

    28. JRJoe Rogan35:17

        He has to run a search to get his URL.

    29. SCSteven Crowder35:20

        No way he got those.

    30. JRJoe Rogan35:20

        Yeah, I just se- sent this to you, Jamie, if you follow the tweet, um, it is, uh, by Dr. Debra Seo and, uh, it is, um, uh, an article, uh, from the National Institute of Health Study, Dr. Zero Van, um, Meeter, a pediatric... Oh, okay.
13. 46:26 – 1:04:34

    Hollywood’s selective outrage: Spacey, Singer parties, Milo controversy, and taboo topics

    1. GUGuest46:26

       What if you just come out saying you just like to touch little boys, like, it just ruins your career and it's disappointing.

    2. SCSteven Crowder46:29

       You would think so. You might as well make a YouTube video about it, show them your suggested feed.

    3. GUGuest46:33

       Oh, man.

    4. SCSteven Crowder46:33

       What are you talking about?

    5. GUGuest46:33

       House of Cards, Kevin Spacey.

    6. SCSteven Crowder46:35

       Oh, you never...

    7. GUGuest46:36

       It's just-

    8. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       It's crazy.

    9. SCSteven Crowder46:36

       Well, House of... That's a... He's a different animal.

    10. GUGuest46:39

        (laughs)

    11. SCSteven Crowder46:40

        That's a different animal. I guess I didn't... I never met him, but I guess that has been-

    12. GUGuest46:45

        That's well-known.

    13. SCSteven Crowder46:45

        ... the thing about him forever.

    14. JRJoe Rogan46:47

        Yeah.

    15. SCSteven Crowder46:47

        But here's the thing, this is like what Milo talked about, okay? And this is, this is all very taboo stuff, but in the gay community, it's far more acceptable for a man to be dating a 15, 16, 17-year-old boy that's openly gay-

    16. JRJoe Rogan47:00

        Right.

    17. SCSteven Crowder47:00

        ... than it is in the straight community. In the straight community, if you find out that a 40-year-old man is dating a 14-year-old girl, that guy is a, that guy's a piece of shit and he should be locked in a fucking cage.

    18. JRJoe Rogan47:12

        Right.

    19. SCSteven Crowder47:12

        But if you find out that in the, the gay community, it's, it's not, it's not thought-

    20. GUGuest47:16

        It's different strokes. (laughs)

    21. SCSteven Crowder47:17

        It's not thought of the same.

    22. GUGuest47:19

        It's, (laughs) it's different strokes.

    23. SCSteven Crowder47:20

        I mean, I can name you several people when we worked in Canadian TV, particularly like makeup artists who were like, "No, be careful, Michelle likes them young." (laughs)

    24. GUGuest47:27

        Right.

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:27

        (laughs)

    26. SCSteven Crowder47:27

        It was a common thing.

    27. GUGuest47:29

        Right.

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:29

        And I... Here, I am not at all saying that it's acceptable-

    29. SCSteven Crowder47:32

        That's well-known.

    30. JRJoe Rogan47:32

        ... with Kevin Spacey. But what I am saying is, what bothers me, and the same with the Me Too campaign, like Meryl Streep coming out, everyone coming out with the Harvey Weinstein thing. Germ, right? We all... Germ, piece of crap, get it, we all know.

Episode duration: 2:27:52