Joe Rogan Experience #1075 - Duncan Trussell

Joe Rogan 0:00 (sighs) (smacks lips) Before we even start the podcast, rest in peace John Anthony West. He, uh, died yesterday.

Duncan Trussell 0:13 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:13 One of the coolest guys ever. One of my favorite people that I ever got on the podcast. The first and only full guest that I've ever done on Skype. And the only reason why I did it on Skype is 'cause he wasn't feeling well and he couldn't fly to California, so I said, "This guy's so important..." I generally like to have conversations with people when they're in the room. I think they go more friendly and they're smoother that way. You can work through any bumps easier that way.

Duncan Trussell 0:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:37 You feel better. It feels like it's real. I mean, but (sighs) he was so important to me, th- I would've fucking taken a, a raven note.

Duncan Trussell 0:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:44 You know? I mean, he just... If you've never seen, um, the DVD series Magical Egypt, it's t- truly an amazing piece of work. Um, it's I think six DVDs all about the history of Egypt and the immense complexity of the structures that are built there. The appreciation this guy had for what the Egyptians did was just off the charts. He was in- just i- so deeply engaged with it. It was such a giant part of his life. And the passion and the curiosity that he had and the knowledge that he had in these DVDs would come through, and you would just be like holding your face watching him going, "Oh my God, these are amazing." Just a... What a crazy time in human history, this weird blip in the middle of North Africa-

Duncan Trussell 1:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41 ... where these people just went way past everybody else, just way past.

Duncan Trussell 1:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:47 And they did it for a long time, man. They did it in this one spot for who knows how long.

Duncan Trussell 1:53 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:53 I mean, it was thousands and thousands of years. And Graham Hancock and John Anthony West are the, the people that are really, uh, at the front of the line in terms of the public eye of pushing the timeline back.

Duncan Trussell 2:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:08 And there's real evidence for it.

Duncan Trussell 2:09 Yeah, sure. I mean, Hancock's getting super vindicated right now.

Joe Rogan 2:12 Yes, he is. And, you know, um, John Anthony West got vindicated as well by, um, (smacks lips) a Robert Schoch, who's a geologist from Boston University. He went to Egypt and he studied the enclosure that the Sphinx was in, and he's the guy that determined that you were looking at fissures that were created by thousands of years of rainfall-

Duncan Trussell 2:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:29 ... which would push back. 'Cause what we know about the, the, what the climate was like in that area, apparently it pushes it back to somewhere around 9,000 years ago, which is crazy.

Duncan Trussell 2:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:39 Because look, the c- however old it was, it's real. The pyramids are a real thing.

Duncan Trussell 2:45 Sure.

Joe Rogan 2:45 I mean, everybody gets real weird about pushing the date back, like when it happened. "There's no way it happened 30,000 years ago. It definitely happened 2500 BC." But maybe, maybe. But e- even if it did, let's just say it all was... it just came out of nowhere somewhere around that era, what a crazy spot, man. I mean, forget about the c- the, the, the, the confusion and the conflict a- around the timeline, just what it is. Those people were on another level.

Duncan Trussell 3:14 What, what is the main reason people get so pissed off at Hancock and West for trying to push the timeline back?

Joe Rogan 3:21 Because they've been teaching one timeline for a long time. They don't wanna admit that they were wrong. If somebody publishes a book about the timeline and it just s- definitively says, "We know now that Egypt was a, you know, hunter-gatherer culture that somewhere around 3000 BC erupted into this incredible civilization..."

Duncan Trussell 3:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:45 They just been teaching that for so long. I mean, they've been teaching that, not that version of it, but their v- their version is more accurate than what I just said. I was just making up numbers, but, um, the point is, what they've been teaching is probably not right. And if they wrote books about it, they've t- taught classes about it, all these people...

Duncan Trussell 4:01 So it's ego? It's just the ego of scientists?

Joe Rogan 4:04 There is 100% some ego involved. Because there was a conversation that John Anthony West and Dr. Robert Schoch had with an Egyptologist. And the Egyptologist... This was on a television show that was actually on TV. It was on, like, NBC. It was called The Mystery of the Sphinx. It was actually narrated by Charlton Heston. (smacks lips) And, uh, it was all about John Anthony West's work and about Graham Hancock's work and Robert Schoch's work. And, um, when they brought this geological evidence to these Egyptologists, they were openly mocking it, like laughing-

Duncan Trussell 4:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:40 ... in this weird way. He's like, "Oh, what, what evidence is there for this civilization back then?" Like, how much evidence do you think would be there? Like, you have to realize how long ago he's talking about. He's talking about maybe 10,500 BC.

Duncan Trussell 4:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:55 Maybe earlier. They think it might have all started somewhere around 30,000 years ago, which is just fucking bananas. Oh, there it is, Mystery of the Sphinx, powerful. Jamie finds it online. There they are.

Duncan Trussell 5:06 Let me find it too.

Joe Rogan 5:06 John Anthony West, yeah. He, um, liter- literally dedicated his life to absorbing as much information as possible about the nature of the construction, the time periods, the hieroglyphs. I mean, it's just an amazing, amazing body of work that that guy put together. Powerful Charlton Heston, look at him.

Duncan Trussell 5:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:30 Look at that.

Duncan Trussell 5:31 He's fucking handsome.

Joe Rogan 5:31 I would hang out with him. I don't care, even if he was wacky and wanted to talk about guns all day, I'd be like, "Come on, Charlton Heston." (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 5:37 The hell, yeah, you'd hang out with Charlton Heston.

Joe Rogan 5:39 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 5:39 Like, who's gonna turn down Charlton Heston?

Joe Rogan 5:41 Do you remember when Charlton Heston had a gun on TV and he was like, "They'll take my rifle away when they pry my cold dead hands off of it"?

Duncan Trussell 5:50 Yes, I do. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:50 Did he hold up a rifle when he said that-

Duncan Trussell 5:52 I think-

Joe Rogan 5:52 ... or am I imagining this?

Duncan Trussell 5:53 I, I, I don't know, man. I think he probably did. I mean-

Joe Rogan 5:56 That is so crazy.

Duncan Trussell 5:56 ... why not?

Joe Rogan 5:57 Why not? (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 5:58 Why not? Why not hold up your fucking massive symbol for your cock?

Joe Rogan 6:02 Your hairy... He said it, it's real. It's just as I imagined.

Duncan Trussell 6:06 "You will never take my cock from me."

Joe Rogan 6:08 It's even better because it's a musket. Why not just hold up a rock? Just like, "A rock."

Duncan Trussell 6:13 Uh, any k- it-

Joe Rogan 6:14 "And kill with rock. Kills with rock, huh?"

Duncan Trussell 6:16 Yeah.People get fucking really passionate about that. That, guns-

Joe Rogan 6:22 (sighs)

Duncan Trussell 6:23 ... circumcision.

Joe Rogan 6:25 Mm. I am, uh, I am all for responsible people being able to own guns, but I'm also completely in agreement with people that say that there's too many people out there committing crimes with guns. So, how do you, how do you, how do you clean all that up? I do not know.

Duncan Trussell 6:42 Well, it's worth thinking about.

Joe Rogan 6:44 It is worth thinking about.

Duncan Trussell 6:44 And it's worth talking about, and people get upset when you start talking about it, because they want it to be just, "No, we have a right to have any kind of gun that we want." But they're, I think they're missing, um, one of the real big problems-

Joe Rogan 6:58 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 6:58 ... which we're just weirdly seeing the very beginning of it, dude. And this ties in. You know, like, Elon Musk just blasted-

Joe Rogan 7:04 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 7:04 ... a fucking car into space?

Joe Rogan 7:06 He blasted a Tesla into space.

Duncan Trussell 7:07 There is a Tesla floating around the planet now, and like, the, the way that connects with guns is, um, this is an example of technology falling into the hands of, like, a private company. This isn't the government. This is, like, Elon "fucking b- badass, I go to Burning Man" Musk.

Joe Rogan 7:26 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 7:26 A dude who goes to Burning Man-

Joe Rogan 7:28 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 7:28 ... shot a fucking Tesla into space, which is now, I guess, gonna rotate around the planet for some certain, I don't know how long it's gonna be up there. But-

Joe Rogan 7:36 Well, I think it's going to Mars.

Duncan Trussell 7:38 Oh, that fucking thing is going to m- (laughs) He said-

Joe Rogan 7:39 Isn't it? He put it in orbit around Mars.

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 7:41 It's going... It mi- it missed. It's going past Mars.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Oh, you fucked up, Elon!

Duncan Trussell 7:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:45 Well, guess what, man? That could've been my mom!

Duncan Trussell 7:47 (laughs)

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 7:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:47 My mom could've been on that plane!

Duncan Trussell 7:50 (laughs) I love that you said-

Joe Rogan 7:51 You fucking asshole!

Duncan Trussell 7:52 You fucked up, Elon!

Joe Rogan 7:54 (laughs)

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 7:54 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 7:54 You coulda done better, dum-dum, with your rockets that can land and shooting a car into space. Okay-

Joe Rogan 7:59 But that's what, that is what happens when you take it out of the government's hands and put it in a genius's hands. But he's got a very unique ability to get things done.

Duncan Trussell 8:05 Sure, like-

Joe Rogan 8:06 Like that boring project that he's doing under LA?

Duncan Trussell 8:08 Flamethrowers?

Joe Rogan 8:10 There's certain guys that are so smart that everybody goes just, "Okay."

Duncan Trussell 8:13 Sure.

Joe Rogan 8:14 Everybody just steps back and goes-

Duncan Trussell 8:15 Go ahead.

Joe Rogan 8:15 ... "What do you wanna do? You wanna dig holes through the bottom of..." What if you went to the LA City Council meeting and said, "Look, guys, I can fix this traffic thing."

Duncan Trussell 8:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:23 "What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna drill holes underneath the ground, and I'm gonna put your car on a high-speed sled, and you don't even drive-"

Duncan Trussell 8:29 And it'll, it starts off like this. It's like, "Okay, guys."

Joe Rogan 8:31 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 8:32 "So, uh, you've been... Remember the old, like, how it used to be at the banks with the suction tubes?"

Joe Rogan 8:37 Oh, yeah.

Duncan Trussell 8:37 "Where you take the tube and you, your mom puts the check in and it gets sucked in? Well, I'm gonna do that with fucking buses-"

Joe Rogan 8:44 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 8:44 "... under the city. What do you think? Write the check!"

Joe Rogan 8:47 (groans)

Duncan Trussell 8:48 Yeah, they're not gonna let you do it. But the thing, where it connects to guns is, it's like we're looking at the very, very, very beginning of, of private individuals having access to technology that normally was in the hands of the state or governments, and this is the very crazy beginning of it. I didn't know he was shooting it at Mars. For some reason, I thought that fucking thing was gonna, like, rotate around the Earth-

Joe Rogan 9:12 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 9:12 ... which made me worry that, like, we're gonna end up with, like, a ring-

Joe Rogan 9:15 No, that would be-

Duncan Trussell 9:15 ... of billionaire cars. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:18 (laughs)

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 9:18 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 9:18 'Cause it would be, like, the coolest thing for billionaires to do.

Joe Rogan 9:21 Uh, just shoot your car up in space yet? No, not yet.

Duncan Trussell 9:24 Also a great way to dispose of bodies, 'cause like-

Joe Rogan 9:26 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 9:26 ... there's that astronaut in there, and I keep thinking, like, "I bet that's one of Elon Musk's enemies. I bet he... That could be a body in there and no one would ever fucking-"

Joe Rogan 9:36 (gasps) Could you imagine if it is?

Duncan Trussell 9:37 Just-

Joe Rogan 9:37 Imagine if it's s- just some asshole who robbed Elon Musk in a business deal?

Duncan Trussell 9:41 Yeah, just-

Joe Rogan 9:42 So shot the guy and have one of his flunkies stuff him into a car.

Duncan Trussell 9:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:46 (laughs)

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 9:46 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 9:46 You'd never find, just disappeared, he just disappeared.

Joe Rogan 9:49 (groans)

Duncan Trussell 9:49 That could be fucking anybody, man.

Joe Rogan 9:51 << Ground Control to Major Tom. >>

Duncan Trussell 9:53 And then also what's really badass about this is the flat-Earthers are now, like, really, like, having problems, because of the-

Joe Rogan 10:00 Somebody sent me a video today showing me that it's fake.

Duncan Trussell 10:03 The- this?

Joe Rogan 10:03 Somebody on Twitter showed me that this is fake. It's fake, bruh. It's fake, bro.

Duncan Trussell 10:07 What is the, what's fake a, like what's-

Joe Rogan 10:09 Everything. The moon, the sky, the guy, the car, your mom.

Duncan Trussell 10:12 (laughs) Your mom is flat.

Joe Rogan 10:14 It's all fake. Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 10:17 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 10:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:17 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 10:17 Your mom's flat as fuck, man.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Your mom's flatter than the planet Earth, bro, and the Earth's flat.

Duncan Trussell 10:22 But isn't this like the, the... What's crazy about the John Anthony West stuff and the Graham Hancock stuff is, like, in the way that flat Earth in a delusional, insane way sort of forces you to imagine yourself existing in a universe that's completely different than what you thought.

Joe Rogan 10:38 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 10:38 And I think that's why it's really appealing. Like, it's an appealing, cool, beautiful, hilarious mythology, which is like, "Whoa, how cool would that be if we really were on a flat Earth? And, like, if I just keep going in one direction-"

Joe Rogan 10:49 You hit the ice wall.

Duncan Trussell 10:50 "... hit the ice wall, but over the fucking ice wall, now we're in the land of the grays," you know?

Joe Rogan 10:55 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 10:55 "I'm no longer tra-"

Joe Rogan 10:56 The women there.

Duncan Trussell 10:57 I'm, I'm not... It's like, it's a freeing feeling, because, like, even though it's not like I travel enough to feel stuck in fucking California, which is an insane thing, there's a little piece of us that knows we're never gonna go into space. We're never gonna get past, we're never gonna... How do you get off the map? You know what I mean? Like, there's something in a human that wants to get off the fucking map, where you end up in a place that hasn't been charted yet. And that's an experience that's gone, basically. Like, the, I mean, I imagine swaths of the Amazon perhaps are, like, some place deep, deep in the Arctic, maybe, in a cave or something. But it used to be people just didn't fucking know. You could go off the map, and you had no idea, and I think that must've been the biggest rush to be on a ship and looking at the maps that you guys have, and you're like, "Fuck, dude. This is... We don't know where we're at here, man." Like, this is unknown, uncharted terrain. So flat Earth is a really... I'm not, I don't believe the Earth is flat. I think it's more like a triangle shape. But the-

Joe Rogan 11:55 I think it's a big dick.

Duncan Trussell 11:57 It's a giant-

Joe Rogan 11:57 It's a cosmic dick.

Duncan Trussell 11:59 I, that would be-

Joe Rogan 11:59 We're looking at the head of the dick.

Duncan Trussell 12:01 And they just don't want us to know that 'cause it's kind of embarrassing.

Joe Rogan 12:04 (laughs)

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 12:04 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 12:04 Like that the fucking Earth looks like a big, spinning dick.

Joe Rogan 12:08 It's all CGI, bro. It's shaped like a dick.

Duncan Trussell 12:11 It's just a big blue and white fucking dick. And green.

Joe Rogan 12:15 Yeah, why do people want that? We want, we always want things to be weird, right? We want... Like, the flat Earth one is my favorite one because...It just would... Could you imagine if they were right? (laughs) Can you imagine if they were right? Imagine if the whole planet thought the world was round and there was-

Duncan Trussell 12:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:30 ... all this information that shows the world is round. Th- thousands of years ago, people were doing calculations or sticking sticks into the ground at equal distance and measuring them and trying to see if there's curvature.

Duncan Trussell 12:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:40 And the, the... O- o- there's, there's always been people that suspected the earth was round way before they could ever figure it out. They were trying to say, like, "Well, the moon is round, the sun is round."

Duncan Trussell 12:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:50 "This is round. Huh."

Duncan Trussell 12:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:52 "Probably this is round."

Duncan Trussell 12:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:53 You know? I mean, j- you would kind of think, "Well, how big is this fucking thing?" And then if you get up high enough, you can kind of see, like, "Wow, if it's this really big, I see, like, a very slight curvature. Like, maybe I do. Am I, am I mind-fucking myself?"

Duncan Trussell 13:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:07 And you- you just sat around and mind-fucked yourself into thinking that it was all a scam.

Duncan Trussell 13:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:12 And that the world is actually flat, and then gravity isn't real either. Everybody's wrong-

Duncan Trussell 13:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:19 ... except a guy on YouTube.

Duncan Trussell 13:21 It's exciting.

Joe Rogan 13:22 It's magnets that pull people into the earth.

Duncan Trussell 13:24 Dude, your life gets so exciting at that point-

Joe Rogan 13:26 Oh, yeah.

Duncan Trussell 13:26 ... because now you are, you're... You feel danger.

Joe Rogan 13:29 Yes.

Duncan Trussell 13:29 You're risking your fucking ass by getting out there 'cause the NAS-holes are gonna take you out, dude.

Joe Rogan 13:35 Yeah, if the Clinton Findaotion- Clinton Foundation finds out about your f- your theories-

Duncan Trussell 13:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:39 ... about the earth being flat-

Duncan Trussell 13:40 You're fucked.

Joe Rogan 13:41 ... they'll come get you.

Duncan Trussell 13:41 They're gonna get you. So now you're living... Now you get to live in maybe a not very s- happy world, but an exciting world because-

Joe Rogan 13:48 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 13:48 ... you're seeing vans, you're seeing fucking, like... Cre... Now, this is... By the way, this is not to say that there isn't some massive, huge, unknown swath of reality that's sitting right in front of us at all times that's actively being hidden by the United States government and the military, who has the technology, that they've finally detected the thing, and they don't want us to know 'cause they know if we know... Who the fuck knows what the reason is? But they don't want us to know just yet. I'm not saying that's not the case. I'm just saying with flat earth in particular-

Joe Rogan 14:17 You're freaking me the fuck out, man. What do you know?

Duncan Trussell 14:19 What do I know?

Joe Rogan 14:20 What do you know?

Duncan Trussell 14:20 Man, the fucking problem is I can't talk about it yet.

Joe Rogan 14:23 Oh my God.

Duncan Trussell 14:24 I stopped getting the check. They're like, "You can't, like... You know, we'll tell you, but you can't, you can't completely reveal it."

Joe Rogan 14:29 This seems like one of the videos that would play before, like, you, like, were first loading up Half-Life 10.

Duncan Trussell 14:37 (laughs) Yeah, right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:38 (laughs) This is the new, new Half-Life. The government's hiding a dimension that they have access to.

Duncan Trussell 14:43 Well, I mean, i- it did just come out.

Joe Rogan 14:45 What?

Duncan Trussell 14:45 That they picked up some kind of UFO. Like, the government did release W- UFO video.

Joe Rogan 14:53 I always assume, and this is Captain Skeptico over here, I always assume if the government is ever saying that there's UFOs or something really crazy like that, it's to hide some shit they're doing in, like, Guatemala. It's like they don't want anybody to be paying attention to something weird they're doing.

Duncan Trussell 15:10 Well, it just so-

Joe Rogan 15:10 So they'll, they'll just start talking about UFOs. Everybody's like, "For real? Like, a real spaceship? You got a video, man?"

Duncan Trussell 15:17 I- I mean, I j- it's w- a really huge question mark which is... And I... And there are people out there who, like, think... Who, who say they have answers to why they're dis-

Joe Rogan 15:24 Right.

Duncan Trussell 15:24 I mean, th- this idea is there's a gradual dissemination of information that's happening because they're, they're priming the pump and then it splits into two versions. One of the versions of the stories is, fuck, if you want to dominate a planet, get them kind of, like, subconsciously, subliminally primed for the idea that, you know, I think there's some really advanced technology out there and there's, there's aliens riding around in it.

Joe Rogan 15:52 Huge.

Duncan Trussell 15:52 And we've made contact. We've made contact with the g- uh, they call themselves the Galactic Council of Celestial Elders, and they've been making contact with us for the last 50 years, and they've been instructing us in how to not only reveal themselves to you, but to s- to, to let the technology come out in a way that's not gonna be completely catastrophic for our society. They're peace-loving, wonderful beings, but we've decided to follow their instructions to the T and so now they're ready to introduce themselves. And then suddenly, an alien is on TV and suddenly the government is using a completely made-up thing to try to dominate the planet by saying, "No, it's aliens. We found them." When in fact it's Project Blue Beam, right? That's-

Joe Rogan 16:41 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 16:42 ... that's one of the ideas. The other idea is all that shit's true. They... There's a thing that happens when a planet reaches a certain level of technological sophistication, that it gets contacted by some kind of order, council, federation of sentient technological civilizations and they sort of begin to, like, walk the planet through phases of getting that shit out into the world in a way that isn't gonna fuck up their planet, and they know how to do it. They have a system in place. They don't come from the stars. They're not something detectable by telescopes. They're, like, in the DMT realm or they're, like, existing in some alternate dimension, and technology is just one of the things that they, uh, use to communicate with us.

Joe Rogan 17:31 I've been toying around with this idea for a long time, most of the time when I'm really high, that ideas are a life form.

Duncan Trussell 17:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:39 That they're not... It's not as simple as your creativity putting together some pieces that weren't there before. I, I think it's that, but I think it's also you're tuning into something. You're tuning into some weird... Like, some of the ideas almost seem to write themselves, and it could be because the subconscious process of your mind, but it also could becau- be because that these... What, what ideas are and what just the concept of thinking is, it's, it's essentially the seeds of creation, right?

Duncan Trussell 18:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:09 Everything that's ever existed on Earth that humans have invented and built came from a mind. It came from thinking.

Duncan Trussell 18:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:18 "How do I put together this...... house.

Duncan Trussell 18:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 18:21 How do I put together this skyscraper?

Duncan Trussell 18:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:23 How do I make a plane? How do I make a TV? How do I make a this? How do I make a that? Like, we're vessels for ideas. We're, like, sitting there with all these neurons-

Duncan Trussell 18:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:31 ... firing and electricity going left and right and all these areas of our brains lighting up. It's catching ideas. You know?

Duncan Trussell 18:38 Yeah, that's it.

Joe Rogan 18:38 And when I'm super gone, especially on edibles, sometimes I feel like I'm in river of ideas, and I'm naked, and I can't hold the fish. They're just-

Duncan Trussell 18:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:48 ... flying by me. I'm like, "Jesus-"

Duncan Trussell 18:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 "... just trying to get these ideas."

Duncan Trussell 18:52 That's right.

Joe Rogan 18:53 I... It almost feels like these are not my ideas. These are ideas that I'm working ha- I've put in the effort to go out and fish for these ideas.

Duncan Trussell 19:01 Well, it's kinda like imagine if there was a technology that could... Like, we send out these signals into space, um, satellites with, uh, uh, with, with fucking records in them, but perhaps other civilizations are blasting the planet with ideas, uh, that are designed to be picked up by the scope of the human mind.

Joe Rogan 19:22 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 19:22 And so what you're doing is you're actually, like, popping into an alien frequency, which is filled with all these various ideas that are part of the cultivation of a planet to, like, try to get it to the point of, like, being able to make contact. And they- they're just seeding, seeding us with, with i- I... Fuck, when you read, like, John Lilly and read about Tesla and read about a lot of the great inventions that have happened, the people who had the epiphanous moment, it wasn't like they were scrunching their fucking forehead. It was like the idea came to them in a vision. How many times do you hear over and over again, "It came to me in a vision, a dream"?

Joe Rogan 19:59 Do you know that the very notion of science itself, uh, came to... Supposedly, like, the birth of science came from a dream that Descartes had.

Duncan Trussell 20:08 Really?

Joe Rogan 20:08 Yeah. He had a, a dream that... I forget exactly the term that he... the way they use it. I'm sure it was deciphered too, right? Like, what did he originally speak? What language-

Duncan Trussell 20:18 Descartes?

Joe Rogan 20:19 ... Descartes speak?

Duncan Trussell 20:20 Fuck, I don't know, man. Like, I think it was, like, classic nerd. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:26 (laughs) He was, um, he was out, like, u- at war. It was, like, campaigning.

Duncan Trussell 20:33 He was French.

Joe Rogan 20:34 He's French.

Duncan Trussell 20:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:35 He was, uh... I- I believe it was like he was on a military campaign in the army or something along those lines, and, uh, he signed up for adventure, to go, uh, off into the military. And during that time period, he had a dream that... Something about to be able to harness nature, it would be done in weights and measurements.

Duncan Trussell 20:58 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:59 I forget exactly the term. See if you can find the term the- that was essentially what people say this is really when you- when you talk about the very birth of, like, the l- earliest you could trace back the idea of modern science, like the ethics and the ideas, the concepts of modern science.

Duncan Trussell 21:15 Well, don't it-

Joe Rogan 21:15 Came from a dream.

Duncan Trussell 21:16 Don't d- It goes... I mean, before Descartes, we're dealing with, like... It gets really interesting 'cause you're dealing with the alchemists like John Dee, who were, who were... I mean, John Dee was someone who was-

Joe Rogan 21:26 Who's John Dee?

Duncan Trussell 21:27 John Dee is this f- a- like... Do you know who Jason Leuve, you know who that is?

Joe Rogan 21:31 No.

Duncan Trussell 21:32 He's an author. He just wrote this fucking badass book on John Dee. He was this... One of those people, kinda like Crowley, who had this huge impact on society, but we don't really know a lot... We- w- most people don't know who the fuck he was.

Joe Rogan 21:45 Right.

Duncan Trussell 21:45 But you've heard of, like, uh, the Enochian tablets or, like, the Enochian angels. Basically, John Dee was, like, an alchemist who was working with Queen Elizabeth to try to turn lead into gold, which was a, you know, a- a big fucking pursuit back then, which is like, "Shit, if we could turn... if we can transmute metals into gold, it's like..." I mean, befo-

Joe Rogan 22:07 Yeah, they all tried to do that, right?

Duncan Trussell 22:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:08 Was that when they f- was first started recognizing elements? Like, when did they first start recognizing elements?

Duncan Trussell 22:14 Um, I- I don't... I- I don't... Uh, probably that. It must be through alchemy, 'cause they were, like, trying to break things down-

Joe Rogan 22:19 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 22:19 ... to their fundamental... They were trying to break things down to, like, their fundamental components.

Joe Rogan 22:24 How many movies are about that, someone trying to make gold?

Duncan Trussell 22:27 Well, I mean, it's the- it's one of the great pursuits.

Joe Rogan 22:30 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 22:30 And it's actually... That's g- that... There's a... It's what we're still doing, only we're not trying to turn lead into gold. We're trying to turn lead into a thinking machine. That's what we're doing now.

Joe Rogan 22:40 Wow.

Duncan Trussell 22:40 Because better than turning matter into gold, if you can turn matter into a fucking thing that is thinking and sentient, then it can figure out how to turn lead into gold by its m- advanced ability to process data.

Joe Rogan 22:52 And if you were an alien race, you would be concerned about nuclear weapons, for sure, but you would really be concerned about artificial life.

Duncan Trussell 22:59 Sure.

Joe Rogan 22:59 What are you... What are you assholes about to hit the switch on?

Duncan Trussell 23:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:02 Have you thought this- this through? We're like those minions in Despicable Me where we're-

Duncan Trussell 23:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:07 ... just wrecking shit and eating nails and (gibberish)

Duncan Trussell 23:09 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:10 (grunting)

Duncan Trussell 23:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:11 We're just trying things, sticking electrical sockets in our heads.

Duncan Trussell 23:14 Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:14 Yeah. Dude.

Duncan Trussell 23:15 C- can you imagine if beings in the DMT realm decided to start setting off nuclear explosions? I mean, maybe that's-

Joe Rogan 23:21 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 23:21 ... what an earthquake is. Maybe when we have an earthquake, it's like a nuclear test in another (laughs) dimension shaking our planet. Yeah, I said it. No, I don't-

Joe Rogan 23:29 (sighs)

Duncan Trussell 23:29 ... fucking believe it.

Joe Rogan 23:30 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 23:31 I- I can already hear the, like (laughs) , people being like, "What the fuck are you talking about, man?"

Joe Rogan 23:36 June 8th, 1637, Descartes co- codifies scientific method. Wow. Interesting. He, uh, outlines his rules for understanding the natural world through reason and skepticism, forming the foundation of the scientific method still in use today. There's a- a term that he had that he came up with, like, in a dream.See if you can find that, because there was, like, a phrase that he said, obviously translated from French.

Duncan Trussell 24:06 I, I, there's, uh, I, the reason, I, I, the Descartes fucking bugs me-

Narrator 24:10 I Think Therefore I Am, that one?

Joe Rogan 24:11 No, it's not I Think Therefore I Am.

Narrator 24:13 Okay.

Joe Rogan 24:13 But that was obviously an interesting one.

Duncan Trussell 24:16 He liked to do shit like, and I could be wrong about this, but I, I clearly remember reading about this, he was like, what do you call it? A mechanist or, like, he believed that animals were just machines, basically.

Narrator 24:27 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 24:27 And so, so like, he would like, and I, uh, Jamie if you could look this up so I don't get assuaged with people being like, "That's a different person." But apparently he would do shit like hold a dog's beating heart in it's, in his hand while it died.

Narrator 24:42 Oh my God.

Duncan Trussell 24:42 And he said things like, "People who are afraid to kick dogs aren't really my students because they..." No, look, look that up, Jamie, please.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Are you sure that's not, like, propaganda? If there was, like, an InfoWars.com back then-

Duncan Trussell 24:53 Uh-

Joe Rogan 24:53 ... he'd be like, "What's going on here?"

Duncan Trussell 24:55 This is why I'm covering it with, like, "I'm not sure."

Joe Rogan 24:57 "There are societies out there kicking dogs!"

Duncan Trussell 24:58 I think he was kicking dogs. I think Descartes liked to kick-

Narrator 25:00 What I just found is pretty rough.

Joe Rogan 25:02 Maybe they all kicked dogs back then. In a nutshell, French philo- philosopher Rene Descartes didn't believe animals had souls. To test his theory, he nailed his wife's dog-

Duncan Trussell 25:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:11 ... to a board and chopped it open while the poor thing was still alive.

Duncan Trussell 25:14 Fun guy!

Narrator 25:15 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 25:15 Fun guy! Creator of science was nailing dogs-

Joe Rogan 25:18 Ooh.

Duncan Trussell 25:18 ... to fucking boards.

Joe Rogan 25:19 Where'd you read this?

Narrator 25:21 Uh...

Joe Rogan 25:21 How do we know this is real?

Duncan Trussell 25:22 Uh, it's on FuckDescartes.com.

Narrator 25:24 Knowledge. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Knowledge Nuts?

Narrator 25:25 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 25:25 Knowledge Nuts? I hope-

Duncan Trussell 25:26 D-

Joe Rogan 25:26 ... you really are knowledge nuts.

Narrator 25:27 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 25:27 Nah, I'm nuts for knowledge!

Joe Rogan 25:29 (laughs) I hope, I hope you're not propaganda nuts.

Duncan Trussell 25:31 Look, look at that guy's face, dude. That guy definitely-

Joe Rogan 25:33 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 25:33 ... looks like he fucking nailed dogs to boards. Look at that fucking face.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 25:37 Mm, look at it! Look at it squirm!

Joe Rogan 25:40 "The greatest minds are capable of the greatest vices as well as the greatest virtues." That's what he said after he cut open a cat.

Duncan Trussell 25:46 Dude-

Joe Rogan 25:47 (sighs)

Duncan Trussell 25:47 ... that, so that, that's like, it's the father of science is also, like, that's Jeffrey Dahmer level shit too. Like, he was not-

Joe Rogan 25:53 I think, I think people did a lot of that back then.

Duncan Trussell 25:56 Nailing dogs to boards?

Joe Rogan 25:57 S- I just think the, uh, I think the value of life was severely diminished. I think back then, the 1600s, people were dying left and right of everything.

Duncan Trussell 26:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:07 You got a cold? Dead. Break your leg? Dead. Get gored by a bull? Dead. Everything, dead. Se- oh, you got an infection? Dead.

Duncan Trussell 26:15 Well-

Joe Rogan 26:15 You got the flu? Probably dead.

Duncan Trussell 26:16 But that's definitely in Europe. Like, in India, I'm not saying in India it was, like, a utopia and everyone's sweet to animals, but in Buddhism it was still, it was like, there was, it was a lot more compassionate. Like, the-

Joe Rogan 26:28 That's true. Why do you think that happened? Why does, like, like, Thailand and places that are Buddhist places generally... I mean, obviously there's violence everywhere, but generally more of a peaceful vibe, right? Like, Buddhist nations and Buddhist kind of... A little bit more... Obviously, flaws with everything.

Duncan Trussell 26:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 26:45 Anything involving people, you're gonna have outliers, but over and all, like one of the things that my friend was telling me about Thailand, he was like, "Dude, there's no crime over there." He's like, "You just go over there." He's like, "Everybody... It's, like, real easy, real easy to get along-"

Duncan Trussell 26:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:59 "... with everybody. And it's, like, it's super safe. Nobody gets robbed."

Duncan Trussell 27:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:02 He goes, "It's really rare."

Duncan Trussell 27:04 Yeah, I don't, I, I mean, I don't know. It's a... I don't understand why that way of thinking emerged in the East and that connection with the self-emerged in the East versus what happened in the West, which was basically a decimation of a previous religion.

Joe Rogan 27:23 Right.

Duncan Trussell 27:24 Paganism, whatever you wanna call it.

Joe Rogan 27:25 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 27:25 Earth-based religion, connection with life and nature.

Joe Rogan 27:28 But what's really interesting to me about that is that the DNA of paganism is still in the system.

Duncan Trussell 27:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:32 It's almost like we absorbed it.

Duncan Trussell 27:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:35 Like, or, I say we, I mean Christians, you know? Christian nation.

Duncan Trussell 27:38 Well, look at the-

Joe Rogan 27:39 I guess we're a Christian nation.

Duncan Trussell 27:40 This is, I'm, I'm so... I'm sure we've talked about this on the podcast, but it's something I marvel over all the time, I think about it a lot, which is the Catholic mass. It's... When you look at the Catholic mass and you look at the New Testament, The Last Supper, and you look at... You realize, like, in the fucking synoptic gospels and in any of the gospels, there's nowhere that Jesus is saying, "What you do is take a piece of bread and utter these prayers over it to create, to, to create my flesh that then you eat." It's not there. The ritual isn't there. And, but, but the interpretation of that has turned into what is called high magic. It's called, like, it's a ceremonial magic where you're transforming bread into the flesh of a sacrificed god. And people do that every fucking Sunday and are like, "This is totally normal. Magic? What are you talking about? I'm not into fucking magic. What I do is I eat the flesh of a god that was sacrificed by a father god so that my sins could be purified." That's not magic.

Joe Rogan 28:54 When did that originate?

Duncan Trussell 28:56 The-

Joe Rogan 28:56 When did the sacrament...

Duncan Trussell 28:57 Well, I've read that it has something to do with... It goes back to Egypt, that it, that it's some kind of high magic Egyptian ritual.

Joe Rogan 29:04 It was a mushroom.

Duncan Trussell 29:05 Or as a mushroom.

Joe Rogan 29:06 They probably had a big bag of mushrooms and everybody came up and they put it on your tongue and they said, "Good luck."

Duncan Trussell 29:12 Yeah, I know. (laughs) Yeah, "This is the flesh."

Joe Rogan 29:13 "See you on the other side."

Duncan Trussell 29:14 Well, I mean, they said... Yeah, they said, um, "You know, this is the flesh of God. Eat this to... And you'll remember who you truly are." And they gave you this, the psychedelic and you took it and you merged back into the divine and realized your true identity-

Joe Rogan 29:28 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 29:29 ... so that for the rest of the week you were able to hang out with people and not be a complete asshole 'cause you know you share the same soul and that you're basically made of love as opposed to thinking that you and I are separate and that, um, we're mostly sinful, evil things whose flesh is impure. I mean, that's another fucking sweet gift that came from, um, fundamentalist Christianity, is the concept that our bodies are evil. We can't be naked around each other even now. Like, you can't take your clothes off around people without seeming completely insane. You will get arre-... If you go outside...... in your fundamental body that you were born into the universe with, you will get arrested. Like, you can't walk around as you are. You have to cover it in clothes or it's, you're considered to be a fucking-

Joe Rogan 30:23 Pervert.

Duncan Trussell 30:23 ... pervert nudist.

Joe Rogan 30:25 You're a psycho.

Duncan Trussell 30:25 So yeah, the, the fundamental vehicle that we, our soul rides around in is considered profane. To, to, to... Dude, and it like, you see a fucking dick when you're, like, walking down the street, some dude just-

Joe Rogan 30:37 Oh! (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 30:37 ... suddenly you're like, "Ah, fuck, a dick!"

Joe Rogan 30:40 Well, you could see a dick accidentally at the bathroom and it doesn't bother you.

Duncan Trussell 30:43 Doesn't bother you 'cause in the bathroom, it's okay for a moment to, to, to-

Joe Rogan 30:47 Just to see a dick.

Duncan Trussell 30:47 ... to profane the world with your fucking dick. So it's like, that's the... When you start really looking at all the, the, y- the traces of not just pagan culture but just insanity from a fundamentalist perspective of the universe that has its roots in what appears to be a misunderstanding of a really beautiful story, then it's like mind-boggling. Mind-boggling.

Joe Rogan 31:10 Yeah, not just a misunderstanding, but probably a conscious misrepresentation of the original story that's molded to suit whoever's needs is in charge at the moment.

Duncan Trussell 31:19 That's right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 31:20 And people... Dude, I'll tell you, man. Catholics, they feel guilty. Like, they should-

Joe Rogan 31:25 Dude, I'm Catholic.

Duncan Trussell 31:26 You're feel... You still probably feel a little bit of the-

Joe Rogan 31:28 Probably a little bit.

Duncan Trussell 31:29 Dude, I was gonna-

Joe Rogan 31:29 I mean, I'm not Catholic really, but I was, uh, when, when I was in first grade.

Duncan Trussell 31:33 I have this Aleister Crowley poster I was gonna bring to you-

Joe Rogan 31:36 The Eucharist.

Duncan Trussell 31:37 7... Oh, wow, 1079.

Joe Rogan 31:40 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 31:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:41 That was the year, the year... 1000... That's a... It sounds... It's a weird-sounding name. Or, uh, year rather. 1079. It feels like I'm saying something wrong.

Duncan Trussell 31:49 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Wow, that's amazing, man.

Duncan Trussell 31:51 Yeah, 1079. So this is way after Jesus.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Yeah, almost a thousand years.

Duncan Trussell 31:56 Yeah, they started doing the magical ritual and, and so it's like to say that this is connected to Christianity is really, it's like, actually no. It's, Christianity's a song and this is a dance people decided to do to it.

Joe Rogan 32:09 Ah.

Duncan Trussell 32:09 But to say... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 32:10 Right.

Duncan Trussell 32:11 To s- to say that it's like, that, that it has anything to do with Jesus-

Joe Rogan 32:16 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 32:16 ... is, is not true, unless you're gonna say that Jesus transmitted the data after his death into some kind of mystic or seer who had the vision of this. Now, I'm not knocking the fucking Catholic mass. I think it's beautiful, but let's just admit what it is.

Joe Rogan 32:31 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 32:31 Magic. It's ritual magic. You're doing ritual magic and you're doing something that's been going on for a very long time, probably before 1079. That dude wasn't just, like, sitting around and like, "Hey, I got an idea. Let's start saying prayer over the bread and the bread's gonna turn into flesh." It was more like, "Hey, you know, we've been meeting, doing these rituals secretly. Why don't we just incorporate the story of Christianity into this h- ritual that we've been doing for a very long time to sort of, um, pure o- purify ourselves by connecting to the universe and acknowledging the fact that existence itself is predicated on devouring the flesh of some other being?" Not... You know, like, we're always in the process of inhaling the universe, exhaling the universe, eating each other. The universe is eating itself and so-

Joe Rogan 33:24 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 33:24 ... the mass is this ritualized version of like, "Behold, we are eating the flesh of God in everything we do." And there's something really beautiful about that.

Joe Rogan 33:33 I mean, w- there's no getting around life eats life. Even the various factions of, of, uh, people on the left and the right and, uh, people that are animal rights activists versus people that are butchers. You, you're all eating something that's alive. I mean, you can make the distinction that the plants aren't suffering like the-

Duncan Trussell 33:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:54 ... animals do, and that's why it's okay.

Duncan Trussell 33:55 Sure.

Joe Rogan 33:56 And I, I agree with you t- for the most part. It's probably a less extreme form of suffering, but it also might just be a completely misunderstood life form.

Duncan Trussell 34:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:04 Like, they're, w- they're finding out so much about plant communication and I've read so many things about it that I hesitate to talk about it 'cause I really wanna have all my T's sliced and, you know, I's dotted 'cause it's such a complex issue. But it appears that they communicate. It appears that there's almost like a... That they're using the soil and the fungus in the soil and the mycelium.

Duncan Trussell 34:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:27 They all have this weird ecosystem. It's not just, like, one plant by itself in the dirt.

Duncan Trussell 34:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 34:33 No, there's a network that they're-

Duncan Trussell 34:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:35 ... connected to.

Duncan Trussell 34:37 It... The, the... Jamie, there's this thing I've just... This guy gave me this thing called a Midi Sprout, which is... It picks up, I guess, the bio-electricity of plants or anything for that matter, but plants. I've, I've got it. You stick it on your plant and it goes into, like, your, whatever your music system is and it translates-

Joe Rogan 34:54 Oh, wow.

Duncan Trussell 34:54 ... it into MIDI so you can tran- turn, turn the electricity of your plant into music.

Joe Rogan 34:59 What?

Duncan Trussell 35:00 Yeah, it's fucking cool. Yeah.

Narrator 35:05 (music)

Joe Rogan 35:06 What?

Duncan Trussell 35:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:07 That sound is the sound that's coming from a tree?

Duncan Trussell 35:11 Well, it's the electricity of the tree being translated into MIDI, which is then being translated into sound. So it's, it's a way to convert the data into music. It's like you're converting the bio-electricity into... It's not like that's the sound of a plant. It's not making celestial noises. That's just sending energy and creating MIDI, which is then being translated into the sound. So it's a way to observe the data. Instead of looking at it, I guess, on an oscilloscope or whatever you would look at that with-

Joe Rogan 35:36 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 35:37 ... it's turning it into a- into audio so you can hear the pulsating kind of, like, rhythmic flow.

Joe Rogan 35:42 So, so that, that's measuring electrical currents in the plant?

Duncan Trussell 35:46 Yeah, that's it.

Joe Rogan 35:46 So there's that much of a variation that it's, like, uh, going up and down all the time like that?

Duncan Trussell 35:51 Yeah, yeah. It, it i-

Joe Rogan 35:53 Whoa.

Duncan Trussell 35:53 I mean, I don't know the, the total math behind it, but I've, I've got one on my, um, on a plant in my studio.

Joe Rogan 35:59 Here, here's my take on it. The most potent psychedelic experience is DMT. DMT exists in so many different plants. It's in thousands of plants. They have-

Duncan Trussell 36:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:08 They have no idea why.

Duncan Trussell 36:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:10 But it's in them. And if it wasn't for mono amine somato- m- monoaminooxidase.

Duncan Trussell 36:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:15 Right? Monoamine oxidase. Uh, MAO, which is what MAO inhibitors w- are. If it wasn't for that, that we have this in our body, we would be tripping on salad.... you'd be tripping on grass.

Duncan Trussell 36:25 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 36:25 You'd eat certain grasses, you'd be blasted off to the center of the universe.

Duncan Trussell 36:29 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 36:29 You know, for some sheep, DMT is poison. Like, they get a hold of- of plants that have DMT

Narrator 36:35 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 36:35 ... v- and they fall over-

Duncan Trussell 36:36 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 36:36 ... stiff as their legs, and their legs start bucking up in the air.

Duncan Trussell 36:38 That's like your-

Joe Rogan 36:39 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 36:39 ... canary in the coal mine. You take sheep out into the nature and when they start dying, that's what you eat.

Joe Rogan 36:44 I think it's phalaris grass, in particular. I think there's a type of grass. Jamie, see if you can find that.

Narrator 36:50 That's right.

Joe Rogan 36:50 The grass that kills sheep. But it's a par- uh, grass, uh, particularly rich... Yeah, phalaris. Damn, how good's the memory on the kid? Even though he's high.

Duncan Trussell 36:57 Look at that, "phalaris staggers."

Joe Rogan 36:59 (laughs) Yeah. That, uh, phala- "induced phalaris staggers in sheep. Portions of the lower brain are seen to be damaged and, oddly enough, tinted blue." (laughs) "The responsible agents are the alkaloids contained in the various phalanx species. There are whispered rumors that..." Can you...?

Duncan Trussell 37:17 "There are whispered" fucking rumors?

Joe Rogan 37:19 Oh, it's... That's a DMT website too, though.

Duncan Trussell 37:20 Ah.

Joe Rogan 37:21 "Whispered rumors." These goddamn hippies.

Duncan Trussell 37:22 (laughs) Whispered r-... Have you heard?

Joe Rogan 37:23 I'm looking for science not looking for wispy or whispers.

Duncan Trussell 37:26 Whisp- (laughs) "whispered rumors."

Joe Rogan 37:27 You fucking hippies.

Duncan Trussell 37:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:29 Uh, the Divine Moment of Truth. Is that the one that I'm in? 'Cause one of those... Spongle made one where they used a- a rant of me with Jim Brewer.

Duncan Trussell 37:37 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 37:37 I was barbecued. I barely remember what I said. But it's me and Brewer, uh, were high on pot lollipops.

Duncan Trussell 37:45 Oh, Jesus.

Joe Rogan 37:46 And they took that and took part of it and made it this really dope music, and with a video to it. I don't know if that's their video, if they made that video.

Duncan Trussell 37:55 Looks great.

Joe Rogan 37:56 But whoever does, it looks oddly similar. Like a toned down... Like a pencil drawing of what you see when you do DMT, right?

Duncan Trussell 38:04 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 38:05 (inhales deeply) (instrumental music plays) Yeah, it's the sound.

Duncan Trussell 38:07 That's beautiful.

Joe Rogan 38:09 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 38:10 Ah, the good old days, huh, Joe? Weren't those the good old days?

Joe Rogan 38:14 Good old days.

Duncan Trussell 38:14 Now we don't do it anymore, though, 'cause it's illegal.

Joe Rogan 38:16 Yeah, why would we?

Duncan Trussell 38:17 Well, it's illegal, there's no need. O- And also, once you've been there, it's not like you have to keep going back.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 38:22 Just once, once is totally enough.

Joe Rogan 38:23 Enough's enough.

Duncan Trussell 38:24 Enough is enough. What, I don't need these fucking... It's like-

Joe Rogan 38:25 You know what I need to do right now? Get a better accountant. You know what I'm saying?

Duncan Trussell 38:28 (laughs) Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 38:29 Some of these tax breaks are coming and I'm not even seeing them.

Duncan Trussell 38:29 You know when there's a... When I, uh, there are some fucking great accountants in the DMT realm. That's when I'll start doing it again.

Joe Rogan 38:35 There are. They're accountants of your consciousness. They look at you and go, "No, no, no."

Duncan Trussell 38:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:41 Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk.

Duncan Trussell 38:41 It's the best. Yeah, that's pretty-

Joe Rogan 38:43 They do that too. Da-na-na-na-na-na-na.

Duncan Trussell 38:44 Did you get a w- a finger waggle at you?

Joe Rogan 38:46 Yeah. "Na-na-na-na-na-na-na."

Duncan Trussell 38:48 "Na-na-na-na-na-na-na."

Joe Rogan 38:48 Yeah, yeah. Like-

Duncan Trussell 38:49 Good.

Joe Rogan 38:49 "... No, no, no." And it was, uh, like when I had a wacky thought, like I had a bad thought, a thought went awry-

Duncan Trussell 38:54 Ah.

Joe Rogan 38:55 ... and I was on the wrong page. It was like, "Da-na-na-na-na-na-na."

Duncan Trussell 38:57 Ah, that's cool. Yeah, I- I love that. I love the... In different psychedelic states, I love how you witness how your consciousness is forming your reality in the most extreme way.

Joe Rogan 39:11 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 39:11 Not as though, like, you're producing matter with your thoughts or anything like that, but you can watch this undulation or this flow going from when you're getting negative and dark. Uh, and it's interesting how different psychedelics portray this phenomena, but... So, like, on acid, you- I- I might see, depending if I'm taking a high enough dose, you start seeing, like, the faces in the s- in the stucco of your ceiling, you know? And it's like when you start getting really depressive or scared, then the faces start doing like (screams) like hissing at you and they sink in and they... Or even when you're looking at yourself in the mirror, you- the- a similar things happens, is you're just watching the way that your projection that's coming from the incessant flow of thoughts in your mind is reflecting onto reality itself. And it's a constant, like, shifting of light that sometimes is like looking into the deepest layers of hell. But then sometimes, you see the most beautiful, sweet, incredible things, because you're not being freaked out by the flow of thoughts in your mind. That's the number one trick, you know? This is why now, in my old age, I really do understand why, um, a good practice, meditation, chanting, whatever it may be, pairs so nicely with psychedelics.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 40:33 'Cause if you have one without the other, well, you're missing out. But also you're- you can really, like, go into some pretty terrifying places that you- that don't resolve in the way that they could potentially if you are doing the work, putting in the time before you take the psychedelic, you know? Not to sound like an old fucking guy, like, "Oh, you gotta u- d- you know, meditate and then take..." I'm n- but it does help a lot.

Joe Rogan 40:58 Well, it- it's... There's a weird way that we- we want to dismiss it, th- because it seems almost like a pompous thing to ever say you meditate or you encourage people to meditate.

Duncan Trussell 41:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:08 It's like the same as... I- I always have a cringey thing when I tell people to do yoga. Like, "Oh, my God, I'm gonna have to say this again."

Duncan Trussell 41:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:14 But I really mean it. Like, I feel like yoga is one of the very best things that'll pair with, uh, cannabis use and with psychedelics.

Duncan Trussell 41:21 Sure.

Joe Rogan 41:21 'Cause I think it- it alleviates a lot... You know another thing that's really good, is running. And I think both those things, they alleviate a certain amount of anxiety and they create... Uh, they... There's a blood flow through that.

Duncan Trussell 41:34 Yes.

Joe Rogan 41:34 Like, when you're really, like, pumping hard up a hill-

Duncan Trussell 41:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:37 ... and you're running, huffing and puffing, and you make it and you check your pulse and you- you recover quick and you go and do another hill run. There's a, there's a stimulation of your body, because it's being forced to work hard, that's euphoric. And after it's over, your brain's flooded with all these-

Duncan Trussell 41:52 Wow.

Joe Rogan 41:52 ... wonderful chemicals. You feel good, you feel friendly. And like, I think that paired with psychedelic experiences, I think exercise is one of the most overlooked, so important. And it doesn't matter what style, like what you enjoy doing, but just gotta get that blood going. You gotta do something.

Duncan Trussell 42:10 That's it.

Joe Rogan 42:10 Whether it's take a spin class or a yoga class or go for a good hike. Do something where you're fucking huffing and puffing and you're really getting in some work, you're really sweating, and your body will just feel better.

Duncan Trussell 42:22 Well, this is... What you just said exactly applies to meditation. And also, you're fucking right. The problem with even talking about it is you sound virtue-signally-

Joe Rogan 42:30 Yep.

Duncan Trussell 42:30 ... and pompous-

Joe Rogan 42:31 Yep.

Duncan Trussell 42:31 ... in a sense. But- but, and also-

Joe Rogan 42:32 But it's true.

Duncan Trussell 42:33 And when you hear Ram Dass talk about meditation, he will say, "Uh, don't... Meditate when you wanna meditate. Like, don't- don't even... Like, if it seems like something that appeals to you, give it a shot." But the- the- the-... the definition of it itself, what's funny is when you think about meditation, your mind will summon up something that you think meditation looks like.

Joe Rogan 42:57 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 42:57 So, you think, "Oh, it means like sitting down on a cushion with some fucking candles," or it means like whatever it is that, that your mind summons up. And usually it's pretty austere, and usually it's pretty... It requires like a temple or a space in your house, or it's in something.

Joe Rogan 43:12 An outfit, get an outfit on.

Duncan Trussell 43:13 An outfit, you need a robe, exactly.

Joe Rogan 43:15 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 43:15 You need some kind of like shit that you're wearing. So there's...

Joe Rogan 43:18 (meditates)

Duncan Trussell 43:18 Right. 'Cause your mind is trying to push it off. It's trying to like, your mind, it w- it was... As one of its functions, it seems to like not want you to sit still for a moment and watch. But what you just said about exercising is true for meditation. It's like there's so many different versions of it, and I would argue running is a meditation. Working out is a meditation.

Joe Rogan 43:40 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 43:41 And that to think that it's, there's a separation, there, there really isn't.

Joe Rogan 43:45 No, I don't think there is either. I always just said that about martial arts, that I, I believe that martial arts were a moving form of meditation. But that doesn't mean like stationary meditation isn't different and give you, uh, uh, another very valuable thing.

Duncan Trussell 43:57 That's right.

Joe Rogan 43:57 And a different, a different valuable thing.

Duncan Trussell 43:58 That's right, yeah. Well, it gives you the ability to... I was just reading the... There's a great book I'm reading by Pema Chodron called The Wisdom of No Escape. And, uh, she talks about how when people start meditating, they think, "I'm, I'm doing this 'cause I wanna be a better person." And she said, "That's actually an aggression against the self that you are right now to be like..."

Joe Rogan 44:21 Ooh.

Duncan Trussell 44:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:22 That's interesting.

Duncan Trussell 44:24 Yeah, yeah. That you're actually being like aggressive to your own self. She said, "Meditation is not so that we become a better person. It's so that we're able to be who we are in the moment fully."

Joe Rogan 44:36 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 44:36 "And to begin to experience fully what it is that's happening inside of us." Because for a lot of people, what's going down is that there is a... Dude, this reminds me what... I just watched the Texas fucking Chainsaw Massacre.

Joe Rogan 44:51 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 44:51 It's probably like the 16th time I've seen it, but like I watched it and like, man, I, I had a some, uh, um, very strong mint tea. And like I was watching it and was like, "Oh my God, this is fucking unbearable. Like, I can't deal with it. I'm gonna go crazy watching this fucking thing."

Joe Rogan 45:09 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 45:09 Like, the woman who by the end is all bug-eyed and covered in blood and like she's lost her mind 'cause of these Texas fucking cannibals have like driven her insane. I'm feeling like that, but then I realize like, oh my God, that woman running from Leatherface and the whole family, freaking out and screaming, how many people are secretly that woman inside of themselves constantly running in terror from parts of themselves that they can't deal with or acknowledge or look at?

Joe Rogan 45:37 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 45:37 And so, so meditation is kind of like going into yourself to that creepy fucking ranch house in the middle of nowhere-

Joe Rogan 45:46 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 45:46 ... in your heart and then exploring the places that you don't wanna go into.

Joe Rogan 45:51 Cleaning them up.

Duncan Trussell 45:53 Fe- You know what, man? It's, it's, it's feeling them.

Joe Rogan 45:56 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 45:56 It's instead of cleaning or fixing or repairing, it's going in there and feeling the whatever it is. For a lot of people, it's just grief, pain, sorrow, regret.

Joe Rogan 46:09 Regret.

Duncan Trussell 46:10 Y- You know?

Joe Rogan 46:10 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 46:10 And it's going in there and not being like, "I'm gonna fix what I fucked up seven years ago," 'cause this is not time travel, but what I'm gonna do is for 10 minutes, five minutes, I'm gonna let myself feel this thing that I've been trying not to feel by distracting myself with an incessant flow of thoughts.

Joe Rogan 46:30 Right, yeah.

Duncan Trussell 46:31 And that, that is, that is when you start lightening up a little bit, because really all you gotta do is feel. As the, I think, the MAPS people say, "Feeling is healing." Have you ever heard that?

Joe Rogan 46:44 No, but... I think I have, but the thing was like a kid show.

Duncan Trussell 46:48 That's a great kid show. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:50 (laughs) Kid shows say some good shit sometimes, man.

Duncan Trussell 46:52 Fuck yeah, they do, man.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Some of them are on the ball.

Duncan Trussell 46:55 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:56 You know? There's some kids movies that are oddly psychedelic.

Duncan Trussell 47:00 Dude, are you ki-... Like, kids are psychedelic.

Joe Rogan 47:03 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 47:04 Like to, to appeal to a, a child, it's like-

Joe Rogan 47:08 Right.

Duncan Trussell 47:08 ... you do have to create some crazy shit, you know?

Joe Rogan 47:11 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 47:11 Like what kid show isn't... Find me a kid show that isn't the most psychedelic thing, including Mister Rogers. Like, Mister Rogers is like that's some trippy shit going down there, man.

Joe Rogan 47:23 Well-

Duncan Trussell 47:23 Trippy.

Joe Rogan 47:24 ... it's funny that you bring up Mister Rogers 'cause here's one of the, one of the things that I was gonna say when we were talking about gun control and violence and all the different issues in this world. What one thing that we don't concentrate on is promoting being nicer.

Duncan Trussell 47:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:40 Like no, no government official does that. Presidents don't do that.

Duncan Trussell 47:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:44 They don't get on TV. They sort of say it, "We need to work together." But they don't, they don't ever say, "Folks, we just gotta figure out how to be nice to each other."

Duncan Trussell 47:54 Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 47:54 Like, we're not in conflict anymore, but we're designed for conflict. And here's how you get rid of that. Go f- get a fucking heavy bag, go run hills, go to yoga class-

Duncan Trussell 48:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:05 ... eat better, stop drinking so much coffee or alcohol-

Duncan Trussell 48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:09 ... or sugar, whatever your, your vice is that's fucking with your body.

Duncan Trussell 48:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:13 Get, get your body in order and get your mind in order and just be nicer to each other.

Duncan Trussell 48:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:18 That would fix almost everything. If people just overall decided, "You know what?" Male, female, whatever the fuck, whoever you're talking to, "Just, just, let's just be nicer to each other."

Duncan Trussell 48:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:30 "Let's just everybody do this. Can we all just work on this?" No one's saying, "Work on this." Like, there's no government officials, there's no big State of the Union address and go, "Ladies and gentlemen, our problems that we have with each other are ridiculous. We're family here."

Duncan Trussell 48:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:42 "We're brothers and sisters."

Duncan Trussell 48:43 Yes.

Joe Rogan 48:43 "And we're all immigrants. Every single one of us is an immigrant. I'm not saying we should let everybody in, but whoever's here, you made it, bitch. You made it. As long as you're not a goddamn criminal, you made it."Whoa, we're gonna suck off the tax dollars. (laughs) Yeah. Get taxes from 'em.

Duncan Trussell 48:58 Also, don't forget we're all immigrants coming from infinity too.

Joe Rogan 49:02 Exactly.

Duncan Trussell 49:02 We're all immigrants who've come into this dimension and have complete amnesia as to what was going on for the last 13.6-

Joe Rogan 49:09 Right, pop out of a vagina. Boink.

Duncan Trussell 49:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:11 All of a sudden you're American? (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 49:12 Yeah, yeah, that's it. So we're all immigrants, and, and, and I- I-

Joe Rogan 49:15 Did you hear about this kid? I got, I'm sorry to interrupt you-

Duncan Trussell 49:17 No.

Joe Rogan 49:17 ... but I have to tell you this. Did you hear about this Canadian couple? There was a gay couple that, uh, had twins, and they did it through a surrogate, and they m- they mixed up their jizz so that no one knew which, you know, whose jizz was whose. Well, one guy's an American citizen-

Duncan Trussell 49:31 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:31 ... and one guy's not.

Duncan Trussell 49:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:33 So the kids were born, and they did a DNA test on the kids 'cause they wanted to find out whether or not one of those kids was a dirty Canadian.

Duncan Trussell 49:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:42 Turns out one of 'em is.

Duncan Trussell 49:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Trying to sneak over our borders-

Duncan Trussell 49:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:46 ... at one day old. Fuck off!

Duncan Trussell 49:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:49 So they sent that little fucking terrorist back to Canada.

Duncan Trussell 49:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:52 Gay couple married in Canada sues US government for denying citizen to, to the child. Hey, assholes, let these fucking people come back. Jesus Christ.

Duncan Trussell 50:02 But you gotta understand, man, like, people like Jeff Sessions see a picture like that-

Joe Rogan 50:07 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 50:07 ... and they feel like they're looking at somebody taking a dump on a crucifix. Like, for a lot of these people-

Joe Rogan 50:12 Hm.

Duncan Trussell 50:12 ... they can't handle the idea of gay people having kids. It's not like they're worried about citizenship, it's like a lot of these gnarled fucks who are running things, they're terrified of gay people.

Joe Rogan 50:23 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 50:24 You know? That's, it's, I'm sure that whoever made that decision, it wasn't anything to do with like, "Oh, this is citizenship laws." It was like, "Hey, man, we're not gonna have this futuristic shit where we're doing some kind of jizz co- combos here. We're not doing jizz combos in my country."

Joe Rogan 50:40 I think they just used like one of those little, uh-

Duncan Trussell 50:43 Paintbrush.

Joe Rogan 50:43 ... those, those things you stir with. You know, like if you wanna make a, a butter coffee, get a little blender. (imitates blender whirring)

Duncan Trussell 50:50 (laughs) You mean a whisk?

Joe Rogan 50:51 You know that little-

Duncan Trussell 50:51 An electric whisk?

Joe Rogan 50:52 Yeah, an electric whisk.

Duncan Trussell 50:53 Like, you use for batter?

Joe Rogan 50:54 That's what they do, they, they jizz into like a mixing jug.

Duncan Trussell 50:57 (laughs) No, they use a fucking, they use like smoothie machines, man. They just-

Joe Rogan 51:01 Are you sure?

Duncan Trussell 51:02 Positive.

Joe Rogan 51:03 A buddy of mine was telling me today about, um, uh, he was in Berlin, and when he went to this, there's this club, and they had three different floors to this club. Like one floor was like a hardcore, like punk-

Duncan Trussell 51:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:17 ... scene or a l- you know, electronic scene or something like that. And then below it was a hardcore gay club.

Duncan Trussell 51:24 Heard of this club.

Joe Rogan 51:24 And this hardcore gay club, they would have shit night, where they would shit into Tupperware and seal it up and bring it in there. They would jizz all over the stage and they would dive on the jizz like a Slip 'N Slide and slide around on each other's jizz. They'd piss on each other. And this is just totally-

Duncan Trussell 51:41 Uh, wait, I, I get the jizz and the piss-

Joe Rogan 51:43 Do you? (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 51:44 ... but help me understand the shit, the Tupperware shit thing. Like-

Joe Rogan 51:47 The problem is I opened up with the Tupperware shit. I went too hard off the gate. I should've, I should've dialed ... I should've, what is, I should've started with jizz on the deck-

Duncan Trussell 51:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 51:56 ... and then they slip and slide. Then worked their way up to pissing on each other.

Duncan Trussell 51:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:59 And then these crazy motherfuckers started bringing in shit. Those- That's what I should've done.

Duncan Trussell 52:02 But what I did, but what I don't understand is like they're, like the, the slip and side slide, it's like yeah, you know, it's like a-

Joe Rogan 52:09 Get it?

Duncan Trussell 52:09 ... little fucking fun night, you're like enjoying like some physical-

Joe Rogan 52:11 Sure.

Duncan Trussell 52:11 ... fun with your pals. But like, why are you bringing in like shit in Tupperware? Like what's the ...

Joe Rogan 52:17 They like smelling shit. They like smelling each others shit.

Duncan Trussell 52:20 So you're just like, "Hey, take a whiff of this great shit I had the other day."

Joe Rogan 52:23 Well, do you know how some guys like the smell of their woman's vagina? They wanna get in there and smell it.

Duncan Trussell 52:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:29 You know? I wonder how much that is connected, 'cause that's where you put your dick. I wonder if you put your dick in butts all the time, you'd be like, "I wanna smell your shit. Mm."

Duncan Trussell 52:39 Oh, like it's associated-

Joe Rogan 52:40 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 52:40 ... with like' you're-

Joe Rogan 52:41 I wanna smell it.

Duncan Trussell 52:41 It reminds you of fucking or something.

Joe Rogan 52:43 Yeah. "Mike, this is what I want you to do. I want you to shit in a Tupperware and bring it over." "Are you serious?" "Mm-hmm. I want you to shit in that thing and bring it over and don't wipe your ass."

Duncan Trussell 52:52 Tupperware? Like why not foil?

Joe Rogan 52:56 Hmm. Who knows, man? I mean, you'd have to be really fucked up to wanna smell someone's shit that bad.

Duncan Trussell 53:02 Yeah. Like-

Joe Rogan 53:03 Smell each others shit. Maybe it's just like a naughty thing, like, "We're being naughty, smell my shit."

Duncan Trussell 53:09 Yeah, or, "I'm transporting shit," like, you're, you're like, "I'm, I'm, I'm bringing shit somewhere," like, "I'm bringing a lunch to this place." It's ...

Joe Rogan 53:16 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 53:17 "By the way, I've heard of this club, man. My friend was telling me about this club. I don't know if it's the same club. I think it is." So I've been hearing all this shit about how badass Berlin is, man, that it's just like crazy over there, and that ... This one club my friend was telling me she went to, everyone stands in line. There's no VIPs. Everyone stands in line, like part of the experience of the thing is you stand in line for like a long time, and there's one bouncer. He's giant. He's like this giant, scary German guy. I think he's got like a glass eye or something.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Oh, Jesus.

Duncan Trussell 53:48 And he scans you. So you stand in front of him, and he, he looks at you and like does some kind of soul scan, and if he decides you're ready to experience the psychic effects of witnessing dudes sliding through cum-

Joe Rogan 54:05 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 54:05 'Cause you know (laughs) for some peo- ... 'cause it's not as though he's trying to like ... He's obviously trying to keep it cool in there.

Joe Rogan 54:10 Right.

Duncan Trussell 54:10 But he's also trying to keep people from losing their minds.

Joe Rogan 54:13 Right.

Duncan Trussell 54:13 Because like the one, wrong person goes into the sub basement and sees a bunch of people huffing Tupperware shit and doing like-

Joe Rogan 54:20 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 54:20 You know what I mean? (laughs) And s- and sliding through jizz? You know, that could be, that could push you over the line. That could lead you straight to fucking mail bomb land. You could just-

Joe Rogan 54:30 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 54:30 ... end up in a cabin, building devices of destruction. I think that's probably what happened to Kaczynski.

Joe Rogan 54:35 If you took any of the people from the Trumpy bear commercial and put them in that gay club while those guys are smelling each others' shit in Tupperwares and jizzing on the floor and pissing on each other, if they just wandered into there accidentally?

Duncan Trussell 54:48 They'd all start fucking.

Joe Rogan 54:50 Probably. Have you seen that video? The Trumpy bear video?

Duncan Trussell 54:53 No.

Joe Rogan 54:53 I put it on my Instagram last night. I was watching TV and this fucking thing came on, and it's like a Tim and Eric sketch.

Duncan Trussell 54:58 What is it? It's like a-

Joe Rogan 54:59 It's like a, it's a real commercial for a real stuffed animal.... look at this. The Trumpy bear. No, no. You gotta see the video though. Can you play the video? Oh, just go to my Instagram.

Duncan Trussell 55:09 Wow, that's cool.

Joe Rogan 55:09 I put... I put the video up on my Insta... Oh, that's it. In the upper corner. Make that larger. And give me some volume.

Duncan Trussell 55:14 It's just two payments.

Joe Rogan 55:16 Listen to this shit. Listen to this.

Narrator 55:17 The great American grizzly. Introducing the original Trumpy bear.

Joe Rogan 55:22 This is real.

Narrator 55:22 The fearless, super plush American grizzly.

Joe Rogan 55:26 Now, tell me this doesn't seem like a Tim and Eric sketch. Watch, watch how this goes on.

Narrator 55:29 ... Flag Day. Just find the secret zipper and pull out the American flag themed blanket.

Duncan Trussell 55:35 (laughs)

Narrator 55:35 Then wrap yourself in the red, white, and blue for comfort and warmth.

Duncan Trussell 55:38 That's... I'm getting one of these.

Joe Rogan 55:40 Hold on, it gets crazier. Watch.

Narrator 55:42 Display Trumpy on Flag Day and on any American holiday.

Duncan Trussell 55:44 (laughs)

Narrator 55:45 God bless America.

Duncan Trussell 55:46 God (laughs) .

Narrator 55:46 And God bless Trumpy Bear.

55:48 Trumpy Bear sits proudly on the front of the motorcycle-

Joe Rogan 55:50 Wait, look at this.

Narrator 55:51 ... for all the world to see, and loves to cruise with his brother. I'm a former Marine and I'm proud-

Duncan Trussell 55:56 Fuck yeah.

Narrator 55:56 ... to have Trumpy Bear ride by my side.

Duncan Trussell 55:58 Fuck yeah.

Narrator 55:59 Once a Marine, always a Marine.

Joe Rogan 56:01 This is a goddamn Tim and Eric sketch.

Narrator 56:03 Everyone knows Trumpy Bear loves to go to the golf course.

Joe Rogan 56:04 Look at this.

Narrator 56:04 When I ride with Trumpy Bear, he makes my golf game great again.

Duncan Trussell 56:08 (laughs)

Narrator 56:08 Thank you, Trumpy Bear.

56:09 Trumpy Bear can pop up anywhere.

Duncan Trussell 56:12 (laughs)

Narrator 56:12 Simply style his trademark hair and place him in his favorite chair.

Duncan Trussell 56:16 I love it.

Narrator 56:16 Even the toughest guys will love Trumpy Bear.

Joe Rogan 56:18 Even the toughest guys will love Trumpy Bear.

Narrator 56:18 When America is great, business is great. When business is great, I am great. I love you, Trumpy Bear.

Duncan Trussell 56:25 Fuck yeah.

Narrator 56:25 I am an Army veteran. I am proud to own the Trumpy Bear, and I will always be proud to be an American. Order the super plush Trumpy Bear today.

Duncan Trussell 56:33 Wait, hold on. That guy... Hold on, hold on. This is fake. Did you see that guy's name is War-aholic? That's Frank-

Joe Rogan 56:39 Back up.

Duncan Trussell 56:39 That's Frank Warholic, like an alcoholic for war. Go back. Corporal-

Joe Rogan 56:45 Frank Warholic. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 56:46 ... Frank Warholic. That's a gag. This thing's a gag, dude. That's...

Joe Rogan 56:48 But it's on the radio. Or it's on TV, rather.

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 56:51 It's kind of a gag though. I looked it up af- last night. The... It is for sale. It is a real product, so it's-

Joe Rogan 56:54 It's a real product, so it... But, so this is a gag.

Duncan Trussell 56:56 It's a comedy sketch.

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 56:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:58 I kinda knew.

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 56:59 It's, like, both. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:59 It had to be. There's no way it could be that bad.

Young Jamie (Jamie Vernon) 57:01 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 57:01 It's great. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:01 Oh, my God. You know what it is? They've made a comedy sketch that's comedy for people, like, anybody who's paying attention. But for people so dumb that they don't realize it's a comedy sketch and they, they think the way the people in the video think.

Duncan Trussell 57:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:19 It's like a honeypot for dumb-dumbs.

Duncan Trussell 57:20 Yeah, it's brilliant, because on one level it's, like, a really funny sketch. On the other level it's just, like, people are like, "Goddamn, I've always wanted a Trumpy Bear."

Joe Rogan 57:28 So they make this bear, they sell this bear, they pretend that they're all patriotic, and they just made the dum-... Of course it is. What's wrong with me? I am the storm. Of course it's fake.

Duncan Trussell 57:38 It's pretty subtle.

Joe Rogan 57:38 I believed it. But this is the world we're living in right now. I believed it was real because it is a real product. But when the lady pulled out a flag, I got a little suspicious. And then the other guy says, "Once a Marine, always a Marine." I'm like, "This is a Tim and Eric sketch."

Duncan Trussell 57:53 It's pretty subtle, man. Like, I... Like, it definitely... I've seen commercials that shitty, for sure.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Trumpy Bear Official. There he is. Once a Marine, always a Marine. Look at my boot. It's dirty because I work.

Duncan Trussell 58:07 What do you... Hey, what do you think... You know, we're... We, we're... We make really shitty predictions whenever I come on your show about what's gonna happen usually, but what do you think is gonna happen with Mueller and Trump?

Joe Rogan 58:18 I have zero idea. I'm fascinated by the whole process. I'm fascinated by his disdain for the intelligent- intelligence community. That, to me, seems to be, like, one of the craziest things a president has ever done, is, like, literally have beef with the FBI to the point where the FBI foils a terrorist attack in San Francisco and the president doesn't even mention it on TV, doesn't praise them, doesn't make a big deal about how good our government is, that we've been able to stop these terrorists and this is one of the reasons-

Duncan Trussell 58:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:47 ... why I wanted to build this wall in the first place and tighten up illegal immigration.

Duncan Trussell 58:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:51 This is an opportunity to prove his point and he doesn't talk about it because he's, he's got a beef, he's got beef with the FBI.

Duncan Trussell 58:58 Dude, do you remember when that FBI agent came to your show? Do you remember that?

Joe Rogan 59:01 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 59:01 When that happened?

Joe Rogan 59:02 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 59:03 That was one of the weirdest... That was, like, really weird for me, man.

Joe Rogan 59:07 Why was it weird?

Duncan Trussell 59:08 Because the dude, like, the way he did it was perfect because he got... Like, it made my heart leap because he's like-

Joe Rogan 59:13 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 59:13 He, like, he, like... He had his hand on my arm in, like, a cop style. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 59:18 Right.

Duncan Trussell 59:19 Like... And then he, like, lifted his, his shirt up to show his FBI badge and I'm like, "Well, I don't know exactly what it was, but, I mean, I could probably imagine a few things you might be arresting me for." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:32 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 59:32 But then he was, like... Then he was, like, really cool and he's, like, listens to your podcast and he's, like, you know... He's, like... He was just being really awesome and-

Joe Rogan 59:41 Listen, man. You need those people. And everybody who doesn't think they need those people, you have an unrealistic view of the world. You need sheepdog. You need them. You need people to watch the criminals. You need to- people to be able to solve crimes. You need people to be able to stop terrorist attacks like they did in San Francisco. You need them.

Duncan Trussell 59:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:59 Anybody who thinks they, they don't need them, look, I wish we didn't need them. I wish we had a perfect relationship with all the other nations and everybody just decided to work together for the survival of the species as a whole, and we weren't so concentrating on, uh, owning resources, taking over governments, and controlling parts of the world that have... You know, things that we're trying to steal or get or buy. But it is. So, as long as it is, you're gonna need the FBI. You're gonna need intelligence community. You're gonna need the Army, gonna need the Navy, gonna need the Marines, gonna need the Air Force.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:28 But don't the FBI... They pol-

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 Coast Guard.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:30 They police the police. Like, the FBI are the police's police.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 They have to. And that's... And there's a checks and balance system that's been proven to... Now, I don't agree with this, uh, because I think this is a crazy reason to fire a guy, especially a guy who's a war hero. But General Petraeus, he... His whole thing, he got busted because the FBI was looking into something. The FBI was looking into something and got the head of the CIA in trouble. So they go after each other.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:57 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 So there's kind of a competitive thing, apparently.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:00 Fucking weird.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Yeah, sometimes they don't get along. Sometimes the CIA and the FBI, they, they don't see eye to eye on certain things. But this one was a weird one because it was about an affair. It's like, of all the shit that he did bad, like, he had an affair?... like, this guy's out there-

Duncan Trussell 1:01:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 ... smashing worlds with these ... What is the mother of all bombs? What the, what the fuck?

Duncan Trussell 1:01:19 He-

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 He didn't launch that one, that was after his time. But they, they launched all kinds of crazy bombs over there.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 I mean, they're just shooting drones and-

Duncan Trussell 1:01:28 Totally fine.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 ... missiles. That's all good. (whispering) "I heard you put your penis inside the wrong person."

Duncan Trussell 1:01:33 Dude, that's-

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Did she let you?

Duncan Trussell 1:01:34 ... cray ... It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Whoa, we're gonna investigate where your penis has been, you dirty-

Duncan Trussell 1:01:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 ... dirty boy. In between killing strangers, you're out there putting your-

Duncan Trussell 1:01:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 ... penis in the wrong person. We can take all the accidental drone deaths you got for us-

Duncan Trussell 1:01:47 Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 ... but what we can't take is you shooting your dirty, dirty semen inside another woman.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:53 You will only express love for one woman in this world.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 What?

Duncan Trussell 1:01:57 That's it. You can only feel love for one person at a time, and you're definitely not gonna put that general cock in anyone else but Lydia Petraeus, your wife.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 You swore an oath, sir!

Duncan Trussell 1:02:08 (laughs) It's so fucked up.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 An oath of affection!

Duncan Trussell 1:02:11 It's so fucked up. (laughs) It's so sad.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 It's so stupid.

Duncan Trussell 1:02:15 It's scary.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Like, what? The guy didn't wanna fuck his wife anymore. Th- That's a problem between them.

Duncan Trussell 1:02:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 This has nothing to do with us.

Duncan Trussell 1:02:22 Nothing.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Is he still a good general?

Duncan Trussell 1:02:25 Nothing. Yeah. It's terrifying. I mean, that's really where we enter into the land of absurdity, because-

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 Well, this is where it got really absurd. Like, you know, people that think that there's some grand scheme to protect people and protect sh- generals. Dude, there's video of him when he was walking from City College in New York where he was teaching, and he'd have to walk down the street to where he was going. And the students were surrounding him, screaming at him, calling him a war criminal. And they did it constantly.

Duncan Trussell 1:02:50 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 He was teaching there.

Duncan Trussell 1:02:51 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 And they would follow him from ... And he ... And they're filming him, so the ca- so the cameras are filming him, and then people around him are like, "Fuck you! Fuck you!"

Duncan Trussell 1:02:58 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 And he's, he's on his own, dude. He's helpless.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:01 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 If somebody just ... If they just jump him? If they just jump him, no one's stopping them.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:05 I thought people like that had, like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:07 ... internal guards or something.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Nope. Turns out, nope. Turns out, nope.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:11 No shit.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Dude, they cast that guy aside. I mean, I don't know if they've rectified the situation after that day, but that day-

Duncan Trussell 1:03:17 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 ... he is by himself. Look at this. Turn it up. Give me some volume on this. This is crazy.

Narrator 1:03:23 He's a pedophile! He's an imperialist!

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 Fuck.

Narrator 1:03:26 You're the one with the disgusting imperialism! You are the pedophile of this country! You scumbag! You scumbag! You have blood all over you, I can smell your shirt! You have blood all over you, I can smell you!

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 Hey, this hyperbole is not necessary.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:41 Holy shit. It's crazy to imagine that guy sexting.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Sex the fuck out of some lady. "Ooh, yeah, like a missile sending it home. Here's a bunker buster." (imitates explosion booming)

Duncan Trussell 1:03:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 I bet when he comes, he whispers in her ear, "Boom."

Duncan Trussell 1:03:56 "Boom."

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 "Boom."

Duncan Trussell 1:03:59 "Boom."

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 And he curls up. "Boom."

Duncan Trussell 1:04:01 "Boom."

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 "Boom."

Duncan Trussell 1:04:03 Fuck, man.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Let her see. "Boom." "Boom." Yeah. They left that-

Duncan Trussell 1:04:10 So what do you think?

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 But they left that guy alone. That's what's interesting then. You would think that the, the amount of influence that guy had, the, the ... I mean, that guy was one of the top generals, if not the top general in the country, right? Wasn't he?

Duncan Trussell 1:04:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 I mean, he was a huge war hero. There's been two instances of shit like that happening, where, um, the other one was the Michael Hastings one. Do you remember that one?

Duncan Trussell 1:04:32 Vaguely.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 This is a fascinating one if you really wanna fire up your conspiracy theory hat.

Duncan Trussell 1:04:36 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 Really wanna turn that bitch to nine.

Duncan Trussell 1:04:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 Michael Hastings was a journalist who, uh, was embedded. I believe it was in Iraq. It might've been in Afghanistan. But he was, uh, embedded in the Middle East somewhere, and, uh, something happened. Oh, that volcano erupted. Remember when that volcano erupted and they, they canceled all air flight?

Duncan Trussell 1:04:57 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 For a long time?

Duncan Trussell 1:04:58 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 He was trapped over there with that, and they got way too comfortable with him. And so they started talking around this journalist the way they always talked.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:07 Oh, fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 And they ... And he was joking around about Obama and making fun of Obama, and they, they said a bunch of shit they probably shouldn't have said, but that's just what fucking soldiers say when they're over there risking their goddamn-

Duncan Trussell 1:05:17 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 ... lives for something they probably don't even understand. You would want them to believe this is all for a good cause.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 You would want them to believe everything that their general tells them.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:24 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 And if they gotta fucking crack some jokes at the president's expense to alleviate a little stress-

Duncan Trussell 1:05:29 Why not?

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 ... while we're out there killing strangers.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 No. Un- u- intolerable. Intolerable. You were mocking the leader of the free world while you're out there killing strangers? You can't do that.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:40 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 So they made this guy resign. So here's where it gets crazy. Michael Hastings starts telling everybody, "Look, my life is in danger." He's like, "People are threatening my life on a daily basis. If anything happens to me, I did not commit suicide." Cut to him driving down, I think it was Sunset.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 Car going uncontrollably fast, slamming into a tree, the car exploding, the engine flying from the car.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 He's dead as fuck. They find amphetamines in his system, but that's Adderall, 'cause that's what all journalists are on.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:11 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 They're all on Adderall.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 So they try ... "Oh, the guy was on methamphetamines when he drove into a tree."

Duncan Trussell 1:06:17 Classic.

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 "Case solved."

Duncan Trussell 1:06:18 Classic.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 "Good job, Dick Tracy."

Duncan Trussell 1:06:20 Yeah. "Let's just forget about it."

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 "We connected the dots. It was quite easy." Meanwhile, there's people that have said with absolute certainty that with today's cars, it is incredibly-

Duncan Trussell 1:06:31 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 ... possible, absolutely credibly possible to control the car from a remote place and make the car do what you want it.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:41 Dude, definitely.

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 Definitely.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:43 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 1:06:44 Definitely.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:45 But we ... I mean, this is ... I love this line of this direction we're going in here, man, because-

Joe Rogan 1:06:50 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:50 ... you, you ... It's great because it's like ... This to me where it gets real ... Remember that thing that people would always say, that government is always, what is it, five years ahead, seven years ahead technology?

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 Remember it. I have it tattooed on my ass.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 (laughs) Come on, bro.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:06 Did you get it at that club in Berlin?

Joe Rogan 1:07:08 You gotta know, the government's ahead, bro.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:10 (laughs) But it's true.

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 It's true. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:12 All that money that they have. So where, where it gets really interesting is when you start thinking about-... what that means in relation to, like, computer intelligence and AI, and you- you start realizing, like, man, whatever the shit is that they have access to at this point, compared to what we think they have access to, is so powerful-

Joe Rogan 1:07:36 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:36 ... and so dangerous that anybody who they wanna take out, anybody they wanna take out, they can take out. E-

Joe Rogan 1:07:45 That's a problem.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:46 It's a problem.

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 That's a problem, uh, having anybody have that much power.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:49 Well, I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:07:49 Especially over the rest of us. It's bad for them, you know? And Kennedy talked about this when he was in office. He talked about secret societies and, and keeping secrets from people, and it's just generally, it's a bad idea across the board for humans. It's just bad for our human nature. And to, for groups to have ultimate power of surveillance, to just look into your life, it's obv... I mean, Edward Snowden proved it. It's, it's obviously, it's too easy. It's too easy for people that work there to check on their ex-girlfriends, see what the fuck up, bitch is up under your email.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:16 Do you, do you, do you think there are secret societies out there that we're not really aware of?

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 Well, if there're secret societies that we're aware of, that's because someone along the line opened their fucking trap-

Duncan Trussell 1:08:26 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 ... and they let us know about a secret society.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 That's how we found out about Skull and Bones.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 We- one of those pussies told their mom.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:33 You know? "Mom, they made me suck a dick and they filmed it."

Duncan Trussell 1:08:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:37 And now I, now I'm in The Order.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:38 Isn't it, like, a glass coffin? Like, you-

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 It's a glass dick. It's a-

Duncan Trussell 1:08:41 You suck a glass dick?

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 You suck a glass dick.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:43 I thought... No, wait. I thought-

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 No.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:44 ... you lay in a glass coffin-

Joe Rogan 1:08:45 And they jizz on you?

Duncan Trussell 1:08:46 ... and they jizz on the gla- like, you're laying down-

Joe Rogan 1:08:49 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:49 ... and you're looking up through a glass coffin and it's raining jizz.

Joe Rogan 1:08:52 What if you did that to a guy and he becomes uncontrollably hard and just shoots in his pants?

Duncan Trussell 1:08:58 Well, I think you're naked in the glass coffin.

Joe Rogan 1:09:00 Oh, okay.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:01 I don't know if they, like, put you in funeral garb or whatever, but my guess is, like... I mean, if it was me, I'd be like, "You know, I'm gonna ... I prefer to be naked."

Joe Rogan 1:09:08 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:09:08 (laughs) If you're gonna fucking splatter jizz all over this fucking thing-

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 I want you to be weirded out looking at my dick.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:13 Yeah (laughs) . Let's go for it, man (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:09:16 Yeah. I'm gonna lay down face first. You can just stare at my hairy ass.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:20 I'll try to come on the coffin from inside-

Joe Rogan 1:09:22 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:09:22 ... while you come on it from the outside (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:09:24 While singing-

Duncan Trussell 1:09:25 Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 ... Abba songs.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:28 But, but do, do you ever, like... I, I love thinking about this stuff because I do think that there is probably... And this is kinda what we were talking about a little bit before, where the maps don't work anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:09:41 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:42 I think a lot of people like to live in a place where there's maps and they imagine that's all there is, but I'm pretty sure that there are sectors of society that you just never see and you never will see, because they have around them this impermeable wall of wealth. Like, you're not going to get in there. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:10:03 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:04 ... places that have membership fees that are like $600,000 a year. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:10:10 Yeah, I know a guy who lives in one of those, uh, gated communities that has a golf course, and the golf course costs a quarter million dollars a year.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:18 That. Because that creates this wall where most people can't get into, and then also-

Joe Rogan 1:10:22 That's crazy.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:23 ... people are living in compounds, people are living in massive compounds that have entire teams of servants. Like, dude, there's people who have eight nannies for their baby. Did you know that? There's people who have-

Joe Rogan 1:10:36 That's 'cause they're poor and they can't afford 15 like a normal family.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:39 (laughs) That's literally what it is (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:10:40 15 nannies, you got all the different languages covered, the different styles. You could have gay nannies, straight nannies.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:46 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 See what the kid likes.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:47 But that's... When you think about that, that there are these enclaves of wealth-

Joe Rogan 1:10:52 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:52 ... that are compounds surrounded by not just, like, financial walls, but literal walls with armed guards standing around the walls. And inside these compounds are communities of s- of... It's a servant class. There are communities of servants that are having to serve these wealth s- hyper wealthy people. That's a king and a queen.

Joe Rogan 1:11:14 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:14 It's a feudal compound-

Joe Rogan 1:11:15 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:16 ... that's being separated from the rest of the world, and we're-

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 It's the very least a duke and a duchess.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:20 It's a duke and a duchess. But I mean, the pr- it's basically the, no different. It's- it's the same fucking thing, because a lot of the people working in there are, uh, illegals, so they don't even have recourse to normal laws and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 1:11:34 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:34 And so what ends up happening in these compounds is there's people who are untraceable who live in there, and that is when you end up in a fucking spacesuit, sitting in a goddamn Tesla-

Joe Rogan 1:11:46 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:11:46 ... going to fucking Mars. Because you could easily just put one of your fucking ... You could put a disgraced nanny in that fucking thing.

Joe Rogan 1:11:53 You know when they're really gangster? When they have white nannies.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 Pretty white nannies.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:58 Pretty white nannies.

Joe Rogan 1:11:59 And the w- the wife has to sit around like there's someone who's always at check. Always at check. Near her husband, not quite checkmate. Always at check.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:08 Keep moving it around. Check.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:10 Oh, she conveniently dropped her keys in front of Luther.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:13 Look at her pick 'em up, that dirty bitch.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:15 God, fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:12:16 She's

Narrator 1:12:16 ... stuck her ass up in the air while she picks up the keys.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:18 Monogamy's so dumb.

Joe Rogan 1:12:19 Can't believe I left these keys here.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:21 Let Luther fuck the nanny.

Joe Rogan 1:12:22 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:12:22 We'll just let ... If the nanny likes-

Joe Rogan 1:12:24 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, 'cause then they might kill the wife. The wife knows too much.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:28 Let the wife join in. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:12:29 She knows, she knows about the offshore accounts, what he have to offer. She knows about the, the taxes.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:34 Dude, she knows more than that.

Joe Rogan 1:12:36 She knows about the taxes.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:36 She knows more than that because, because what ends up happening in these compounds is you do start knowing things.

Joe Rogan 1:12:41 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:41 And you start knowing real things.

Joe Rogan 1:12:44 Real shit.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:45 Yeah, you start getting the real downloads about, like, what's actually happening, because these little fucking compounds, they're all c- All those people are connected to each other.

Joe Rogan 1:12:53 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:53 They send each other Christmas cards.

Joe Rogan 1:12:55 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:55 And, and, and they go to each other's parties and stuff, and like, they talk, and they have-

Joe Rogan 1:12:59 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:00 And they know stuff, man.

Joe Rogan 1:13:01 You see the way Luther looked at the nanny?

Duncan Trussell 1:13:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:03 Come on, bro.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:04 Well, everyone did-

Joe Rogan 1:13:04 Come on, bro. She dropped her keys? You really think she dropped her keys? Did you see that?

Duncan Trussell 1:13:08 I-

Joe Rogan 1:13:08 I did see it. I heard. I heard. Yeah, I was there. She dropped the keys on purpose and she stuck her ass right up in the air. He's getting a divorce. We gotta be-

Duncan Trussell 1:13:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:16 ... careful here, folks.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:17 We gotta keep this family together.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:19 Well, these people sign, like, 900-

Joe Rogan 1:13:21 Non-disclosures?

Duncan Trussell 1:13:22 Yeah, like, huge non-disclosure agreements. So like, they're, there's like ... They're wrapped up in a veil of secrecy anyway, but-

Joe Rogan 1:13:28 No, that's not what you have to worry about. What you w- have to worry about is Harvey Keitel from Pulp Fiction. That's what you have to worry about.... yeah. You gotta worry about someone making a phone call-

Duncan Trussell 1:13:36 (laughs) No, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:13:36 ... and some guy who works ... some fucking Ray Donovan in real life guy, who works for rich people-

Duncan Trussell 1:13:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:42 ... who can make a lot of money. So imagine if you're friends with a billionaire, and this billionaire is, uh, he's in a situation.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:51 You know, "This is fucking guy is just, you know, he's got pictures of my wife and ..."

Duncan Trussell 1:13:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:56 And, you know, "He's try- he's trying to get some money out of me, man. I don't know what to do." "Well, sir, we can make this disappear-"

Duncan Trussell 1:14:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:02 "... for a tidy sum of $200,000."