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Joe Rogan Experience #1075 - Duncan Trussell

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comedian, and host of his own podcast “The Duncan Trussell Family Hour”.

Joe RoganhostDuncan TrussellguestYoung Jamie (Jamie Vernon)guest
Feb 9, 20183h 28mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 1:53

    Tribute to John Anthony West and the mystery of ancient Egypt

    1. JR

      (sighs) (smacks lips) Before we even start the podcast, rest in peace John Anthony West. He, uh, died yesterday.

    2. DT

      Hmm.

    3. JR

      One of the coolest guys ever. One of my favorite people that I ever got on the podcast. The first and only full guest that I've ever done on Skype. And the only reason why I did it on Skype is 'cause he wasn't feeling well and he couldn't fly to California, so I said, "This guy's so important..." I generally like to have conversations with people when they're in the room. I think they go more friendly and they're smoother that way. You can work through any bumps easier that way.

    4. DT

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      You feel better. It feels like it's real. I mean, but (sighs) he was so important to me, th- I would've fucking taken a, a raven note.

    6. DT

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      You know? I mean, he just... If you've never seen, um, the DVD series Magical Egypt, it's t- truly an amazing piece of work. Um, it's I think six DVDs all about the history of Egypt and the immense complexity of the structures that are built there. The appreciation this guy had for what the Egyptians did was just off the charts. He was in- just i- so deeply engaged with it. It was such a giant part of his life. And the passion and the curiosity that he had and the knowledge that he had in these DVDs would come through, and you would just be like holding your face watching him going, "Oh my God, these are amazing." Just a... What a crazy time in human history, this weird blip in the middle of North Africa-

    8. DT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... where these people just went way past everybody else, just way past.

    10. DT

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      And they did it for a long time, man. They did it in this one spot for who knows how long.

    12. DT

      That's right.

  2. 1:53 – 4:04

    Pushing back the Sphinx timeline: geology vs. Egyptology (Hancock, Schoch, and academic ego)

    1. JR

      I mean, it was thousands and thousands of years. And Graham Hancock and John Anthony West are the, the people that are really, uh, at the front of the line in terms of the public eye of pushing the timeline back.

    2. DT

      Right.

    3. JR

      And there's real evidence for it.

    4. DT

      Yeah, sure. I mean, Hancock's getting super vindicated right now.

    5. JR

      Yes, he is. And, you know, um, John Anthony West got vindicated as well by, um, (smacks lips) a Robert Schoch, who's a geologist from Boston University. He went to Egypt and he studied the enclosure that the Sphinx was in, and he's the guy that determined that you were looking at fissures that were created by thousands of years of rainfall-

    6. DT

      Right.

    7. JR

      ... which would push back. 'Cause what we know about the, the, what the climate was like in that area, apparently it pushes it back to somewhere around 9,000 years ago, which is crazy.

    8. DT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Because look, the c- however old it was, it's real. The pyramids are a real thing.

    10. DT

      Sure.

    11. JR

      I mean, everybody gets real weird about pushing the date back, like when it happened. "There's no way it happened 30,000 years ago. It definitely happened 2500 BC." But maybe, maybe. But e- even if it did, let's just say it all was... it just came out of nowhere somewhere around that era, what a crazy spot, man. I mean, forget about the c- the, the, the, the confusion and the conflict a- around the timeline, just what it is. Those people were on another level.

    12. DT

      What, what is the main reason people get so pissed off at Hancock and West for trying to push the timeline back?

    13. JR

      Because they've been teaching one timeline for a long time. They don't wanna admit that they were wrong. If somebody publishes a book about the timeline and it just s- definitively says, "We know now that Egypt was a, you know, hunter-gatherer culture that somewhere around 3000 BC erupted into this incredible civilization..."

    14. DT

      Right.

    15. JR

      They just been teaching that for so long. I mean, they've been teaching that, not that version of it, but their v- their version is more accurate than what I just said. I was just making up numbers, but, um, the point is, what they've been teaching is probably not right. And if they wrote books about it, they've t- taught classes about it, all these people...

    16. DT

      So it's ego? It's just the ego of scientists?

  3. 4:04 – 6:25

    "Mystery of the Sphinx" on TV and the Charlton Heston detour into gun culture

    1. JR

      There is 100% some ego involved. Because there was a conversation that John Anthony West and Dr. Robert Schoch had with an Egyptologist. And the Egyptologist... This was on a television show that was actually on TV. It was on, like, NBC. It was called The Mystery of the Sphinx. It was actually narrated by Charlton Heston. (smacks lips) And, uh, it was all about John Anthony West's work and about Graham Hancock's work and Robert Schoch's work. And, um, when they brought this geological evidence to these Egyptologists, they were openly mocking it, like laughing-

    2. DT

      Right.

    3. JR

      ... in this weird way. He's like, "Oh, what, what evidence is there for this civilization back then?" Like, how much evidence do you think would be there? Like, you have to realize how long ago he's talking about. He's talking about maybe 10,500 BC.

    4. DT

      Right.

    5. JR

      Maybe earlier. They think it might have all started somewhere around 30,000 years ago, which is just fucking bananas. Oh, there it is, Mystery of the Sphinx, powerful. Jamie finds it online. There they are.

    6. DT

      Let me find it too.

    7. JR

      John Anthony West, yeah. He, um, liter- literally dedicated his life to absorbing as much information as possible about the nature of the construction, the time periods, the hieroglyphs. I mean, it's just an amazing, amazing body of work that that guy put together. Powerful Charlton Heston, look at him.

    8. DT

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      Look at that.

    10. DT

      He's fucking handsome.

    11. JR

      I would hang out with him. I don't care, even if he was wacky and wanted to talk about guns all day, I'd be like, "Come on, Charlton Heston." (laughs)

    12. DT

      The hell, yeah, you'd hang out with Charlton Heston.

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. DT

      Like, who's gonna turn down Charlton Heston?

    15. JR

      Do you remember when Charlton Heston had a gun on TV and he was like, "They'll take my rifle away when they pry my cold dead hands off of it"?

    16. DT

      Yes, I do. (laughs)

    17. JR

      Did he hold up a rifle when he said that-

    18. DT

      I think-

    19. JR

      ... or am I imagining this?

    20. DT

      I, I, I don't know, man. I think he probably did. I mean-

    21. JR

      That is so crazy.

    22. DT

      ... why not?

    23. JR

      Why not? (laughs)

    24. DT

      Why not? Why not hold up your fucking massive symbol for your cock?

    25. JR

      Your hairy... He said it, it's real. It's just as I imagined.

    26. DT

      "You will never take my cock from me."

    27. JR

      It's even better because it's a musket. Why not just hold up a rock? Just like, "A rock."

    28. DT

      Uh, any k- it-

    29. JR

      "And kill with rock. Kills with rock, huh?"

    30. DT

      Yeah.People get fucking really passionate about that. That, guns-

  4. 6:25 – 9:53

    Gun control meets billionaire tech: Elon Musk, private power, and the Tesla in space

    1. JR

      Mm. I am, uh, I am all for responsible people being able to own guns, but I'm also completely in agreement with people that say that there's too many people out there committing crimes with guns. So, how do you, how do you, how do you clean all that up? I do not know.

    2. DT

      Well, it's worth thinking about.

    3. JR

      It is worth thinking about.

    4. DT

      And it's worth talking about, and people get upset when you start talking about it, because they want it to be just, "No, we have a right to have any kind of gun that we want." But they're, I think they're missing, um, one of the real big problems-

    5. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    6. DT

      ... which we're just weirdly seeing the very beginning of it, dude. And this ties in. You know, like, Elon Musk just blasted-

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. DT

      ... a fucking car into space?

    9. JR

      He blasted a Tesla into space.

    10. DT

      There is a Tesla floating around the planet now, and like, the, the way that connects with guns is, um, this is an example of technology falling into the hands of, like, a private company. This isn't the government. This is, like, Elon "fucking b- badass, I go to Burning Man" Musk.

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. DT

      A dude who goes to Burning Man-

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. DT

      ... shot a fucking Tesla into space, which is now, I guess, gonna rotate around the planet for some certain, I don't know how long it's gonna be up there. But-

    15. JR

      Well, I think it's going to Mars.

    16. DT

      Oh, that fucking thing is going to m- (laughs) He said-

    17. JR

      Isn't it? He put it in orbit around Mars.

    18. YV

      It's going... It mi- it missed. It's going past Mars.

    19. JR

      Oh, you fucked up, Elon!

    20. DT

      (laughs)

    21. JR

      Well, guess what, man? That could've been my mom!

    22. DT

      (laughs)

    23. YV

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      My mom could've been on that plane!

    25. DT

      (laughs) I love that you said-

    26. JR

      You fucking asshole!

    27. DT

      You fucked up, Elon!

    28. JR

      (laughs)

    29. YV

      (laughs)

    30. DT

      You coulda done better, dum-dum, with your rockets that can land and shooting a car into space. Okay-

  5. 9:53 – 14:43

    Flat Earth as mythic escapism, conspiratorial thrills, and the desire to go "off the map"

    1. DT

      And then also what's really badass about this is the flat-Earthers are now, like, really, like, having problems, because of the-

    2. JR

      Somebody sent me a video today showing me that it's fake.

    3. DT

      The- this?

    4. JR

      Somebody on Twitter showed me that this is fake. It's fake, bruh. It's fake, bro.

    5. DT

      What is the, what's fake a, like what's-

    6. JR

      Everything. The moon, the sky, the guy, the car, your mom.

    7. DT

      (laughs) Your mom is flat.

    8. JR

      It's all fake. Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.

    9. YV

      (laughs)

    10. DT

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. DT

      Your mom's flat as fuck, man.

    13. JR

      Your mom's flatter than the planet Earth, bro, and the Earth's flat.

    14. DT

      But isn't this like the, the... What's crazy about the John Anthony West stuff and the Graham Hancock stuff is, like, in the way that flat Earth in a delusional, insane way sort of forces you to imagine yourself existing in a universe that's completely different than what you thought.

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. DT

      And I think that's why it's really appealing. Like, it's an appealing, cool, beautiful, hilarious mythology, which is like, "Whoa, how cool would that be if we really were on a flat Earth? And, like, if I just keep going in one direction-"

    17. JR

      You hit the ice wall.

    18. DT

      "... hit the ice wall, but over the fucking ice wall, now we're in the land of the grays," you know?

    19. JR

      Oh.

    20. DT

      "I'm no longer tra-"

    21. JR

      The women there.

    22. DT

      I'm, I'm not... It's like, it's a freeing feeling, because, like, even though it's not like I travel enough to feel stuck in fucking California, which is an insane thing, there's a little piece of us that knows we're never gonna go into space. We're never gonna get past, we're never gonna... How do you get off the map? You know what I mean? Like, there's something in a human that wants to get off the fucking map, where you end up in a place that hasn't been charted yet. And that's an experience that's gone, basically. Like, the, I mean, I imagine swaths of the Amazon perhaps are, like, some place deep, deep in the Arctic, maybe, in a cave or something. But it used to be people just didn't fucking know. You could go off the map, and you had no idea, and I think that must've been the biggest rush to be on a ship and looking at the maps that you guys have, and you're like, "Fuck, dude. This is... We don't know where we're at here, man." Like, this is unknown, uncharted terrain. So flat Earth is a really... I'm not, I don't believe the Earth is flat. I think it's more like a triangle shape. But the-

    23. JR

      I think it's a big dick.

    24. DT

      It's a giant-

    25. JR

      It's a cosmic dick.

    26. DT

      I, that would be-

    27. JR

      We're looking at the head of the dick.

    28. DT

      And they just don't want us to know that 'cause it's kind of embarrassing.

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. YV

      (laughs)

  6. 14:43 – 17:31

    UFO disclosure theories and Rogan’s skepticism about government narratives

    1. DT

      Well, I mean, i- it did just come out.

    2. JR

      What?

    3. DT

      That they picked up some kind of UFO. Like, the government did release W- UFO video.

    4. JR

      I always assume, and this is Captain Skeptico over here, I always assume if the government is ever saying that there's UFOs or something really crazy like that, it's to hide some shit they're doing in, like, Guatemala. It's like they don't want anybody to be paying attention to something weird they're doing.

    5. DT

      Well, it just so-

    6. JR

      So they'll, they'll just start talking about UFOs. Everybody's like, "For real? Like, a real spaceship? You got a video, man?"

    7. DT

      I- I mean, I j- it's w- a really huge question mark which is... And I... And there are people out there who, like, think... Who, who say they have answers to why they're dis-

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. DT

      I mean, th- this idea is there's a gradual dissemination of information that's happening because they're, they're priming the pump and then it splits into two versions. One of the versions of the stories is, fuck, if you want to dominate a planet, get them kind of, like, subconsciously, subliminally primed for the idea that, you know, I think there's some really advanced technology out there and there's, there's aliens riding around in it.

    10. JR

      Huge.

    11. DT

      And we've made contact. We've made contact with the g- uh, they call themselves the Galactic Council of Celestial Elders, and they've been making contact with us for the last 50 years, and they've been instructing us in how to not only reveal themselves to you, but to s- to, to let the technology come out in a way that's not gonna be completely catastrophic for our society. They're peace-loving, wonderful beings, but we've decided to follow their instructions to the T and so now they're ready to introduce themselves. And then suddenly, an alien is on TV and suddenly the government is using a completely made-up thing to try to dominate the planet by saying, "No, it's aliens. We found them." When in fact it's Project Blue Beam, right? That's-

    12. JR

      Mm.

    13. DT

      ... that's one of the ideas. The other idea is all that shit's true. They... There's a thing that happens when a planet reaches a certain level of technological sophistication, that it gets contacted by some kind of order, council, federation of sentient technological civilizations and they sort of begin to, like, walk the planet through phases of getting that shit out into the world in a way that isn't gonna fuck up their planet, and they know how to do it. They have a system in place. They don't come from the stars. They're not something detectable by telescopes. They're, like, in the DMT realm or they're, like, existing in some alternate dimension, and technology is just one of the things that they, uh, use to communicate with us.

  7. 17:31 – 21:16

    Ideas as a life form: dreams, invention, and ‘tuning in’ to creativity

    1. JR

      I've been toying around with this idea for a long time, most of the time when I'm really high, that ideas are a life form.

    2. DT

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      That they're not... It's not as simple as your creativity putting together some pieces that weren't there before. I, I think it's that, but I think it's also you're tuning into something. You're tuning into some weird... Like, some of the ideas almost seem to write themselves, and it could be because the subconscious process of your mind, but it also could becau- be because that these... What, what ideas are and what just the concept of thinking is, it's, it's essentially the seeds of creation, right?

    4. DT

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Everything that's ever existed on Earth that humans have invented and built came from a mind. It came from thinking.

    6. DT

      Right.

    7. JR

      "How do I put together this...... house.

    8. DT

      Yes.

    9. JR

      How do I put together this skyscraper?

    10. DT

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      How do I make a plane? How do I make a TV? How do I make a this? How do I make a that? Like, we're vessels for ideas. We're, like, sitting there with all these neurons-

    12. DT

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      ... firing and electricity going left and right and all these areas of our brains lighting up. It's catching ideas. You know?

    14. DT

      Yeah, that's it.

    15. JR

      And when I'm super gone, especially on edibles, sometimes I feel like I'm in river of ideas, and I'm naked, and I can't hold the fish. They're just-

    16. DT

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... flying by me. I'm like, "Jesus-"

    18. DT

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      "... just trying to get these ideas."

    20. DT

      That's right.

    21. JR

      I... It almost feels like these are not my ideas. These are ideas that I'm working ha- I've put in the effort to go out and fish for these ideas.

    22. DT

      Well, it's kinda like imagine if there was a technology that could... Like, we send out these signals into space, um, satellites with, uh, uh, with, with fucking records in them, but perhaps other civilizations are blasting the planet with ideas, uh, that are designed to be picked up by the scope of the human mind.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. DT

      And so what you're doing is you're actually, like, popping into an alien frequency, which is filled with all these various ideas that are part of the cultivation of a planet to, like, try to get it to the point of, like, being able to make contact. And they- they're just seeding, seeding us with, with i- I... Fuck, when you read, like, John Lilly and read about Tesla and read about a lot of the great inventions that have happened, the people who had the epiphanous moment, it wasn't like they were scrunching their fucking forehead. It was like the idea came to them in a vision. How many times do you hear over and over again, "It came to me in a vision, a dream"?

    25. JR

      Do you know that the very notion of science itself, uh, came to... Supposedly, like, the birth of science came from a dream that Descartes had.

    26. DT

      Really?

    27. JR

      Yeah. He had a, a dream that... I forget exactly the term that he... the way they use it. I'm sure it was deciphered too, right? Like, what did he originally speak? What language-

    28. DT

      Descartes?

    29. JR

      ... Descartes speak?

    30. DT

      Fuck, I don't know, man. Like, I think it was, like, classic nerd. (laughs)

  8. 21:16 – 23:36

    Alchemy, John Dee, and the leap from transmuting metals to building thinking machines (AI)

    1. DT

      Don't d- It goes... I mean, before Descartes, we're dealing with, like... It gets really interesting 'cause you're dealing with the alchemists like John Dee, who were, who were... I mean, John Dee was someone who was-

    2. JR

      Who's John Dee?

    3. DT

      John Dee is this f- a- like... Do you know who Jason Leuve, you know who that is?

    4. JR

      No.

    5. DT

      He's an author. He just wrote this fucking badass book on John Dee. He was this... One of those people, kinda like Crowley, who had this huge impact on society, but we don't really know a lot... We- w- most people don't know who the fuck he was.

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. DT

      But you've heard of, like, uh, the Enochian tablets or, like, the Enochian angels. Basically, John Dee was, like, an alchemist who was working with Queen Elizabeth to try to turn lead into gold, which was a, you know, a- a big fucking pursuit back then, which is like, "Shit, if we could turn... if we can transmute metals into gold, it's like..." I mean, befo-

    8. JR

      Yeah, they all tried to do that, right?

    9. DT

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      Was that when they f- was first started recognizing elements? Like, when did they first start recognizing elements?

    11. DT

      Um, I- I don't... I- I don't... Uh, probably that. It must be through alchemy, 'cause they were, like, trying to break things down-

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. DT

      ... to their fundamental... They were trying to break things down to, like, their fundamental components.

    14. JR

      How many movies are about that, someone trying to make gold?

    15. DT

      Well, I mean, it's the- it's one of the great pursuits.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. DT

      And it's actually... That's g- that... There's a... It's what we're still doing, only we're not trying to turn lead into gold. We're trying to turn lead into a thinking machine. That's what we're doing now.

    18. JR

      Wow.

    19. DT

      Because better than turning matter into gold, if you can turn matter into a fucking thing that is thinking and sentient, then it can figure out how to turn lead into gold by its m- advanced ability to process data.

    20. JR

      And if you were an alien race, you would be concerned about nuclear weapons, for sure, but you would really be concerned about artificial life.

    21. DT

      Sure.

    22. JR

      What are you... What are you assholes about to hit the switch on?

    23. DT

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      Have you thought this- this through? We're like those minions in Despicable Me where we're-

    25. DT

      (laughs)

    26. JR

      ... just wrecking shit and eating nails and (gibberish)

    27. DT

      (laughs) Yeah.

    28. JR

      (grunting)

    29. DT

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      We're just trying things, sticking electrical sockets in our heads.

  9. 23:36 – 27:40

    Descartes controversy and the West/East compassion divide

    1. JR

      June 8th, 1637, Descartes co- codifies scientific method. Wow. Interesting. He, uh, outlines his rules for understanding the natural world through reason and skepticism, forming the foundation of the scientific method still in use today. There's a- a term that he had that he came up with, like, in a dream.See if you can find that, because there was, like, a phrase that he said, obviously translated from French.

    2. DT

      I, I, there's, uh, I, the reason, I, I, the Descartes fucking bugs me-

    3. NA

      I Think Therefore I Am, that one?

    4. JR

      No, it's not I Think Therefore I Am.

    5. NA

      Okay.

    6. JR

      But that was obviously an interesting one.

    7. DT

      He liked to do shit like, and I could be wrong about this, but I, I clearly remember reading about this, he was like, what do you call it? A mechanist or, like, he believed that animals were just machines, basically.

    8. NA

      (laughs)

    9. DT

      And so, so like, he would like, and I, uh, Jamie if you could look this up so I don't get assuaged with people being like, "That's a different person." But apparently he would do shit like hold a dog's beating heart in it's, in his hand while it died.

    10. NA

      Oh my God.

    11. DT

      And he said things like, "People who are afraid to kick dogs aren't really my students because they..." No, look, look that up, Jamie, please.

    12. JR

      Are you sure that's not, like, propaganda? If there was, like, an InfoWars.com back then-

    13. DT

      Uh-

    14. JR

      ... he'd be like, "What's going on here?"

    15. DT

      This is why I'm covering it with, like, "I'm not sure."

    16. JR

      "There are societies out there kicking dogs!"

    17. DT

      I think he was kicking dogs. I think Descartes liked to kick-

    18. NA

      What I just found is pretty rough.

    19. JR

      Maybe they all kicked dogs back then. In a nutshell, French philo- philosopher Rene Descartes didn't believe animals had souls. To test his theory, he nailed his wife's dog-

    20. DT

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      ... to a board and chopped it open while the poor thing was still alive.

    22. DT

      Fun guy!

    23. NA

      Yeah.

    24. DT

      Fun guy! Creator of science was nailing dogs-

    25. JR

      Ooh.

    26. DT

      ... to fucking boards.

    27. JR

      Where'd you read this?

    28. NA

      Uh...

    29. JR

      How do we know this is real?

    30. DT

      Uh, it's on FuckDescartes.com.

  10. 27:40 – 33:56

    Catholic mass as ritual magic, body shame, and the ‘life eats life’ reality

    1. DT

      This is, I'm, I'm so... I'm sure we've talked about this on the podcast, but it's something I marvel over all the time, I think about it a lot, which is the Catholic mass. It's... When you look at the Catholic mass and you look at the New Testament, The Last Supper, and you look at... You realize, like, in the fucking synoptic gospels and in any of the gospels, there's nowhere that Jesus is saying, "What you do is take a piece of bread and utter these prayers over it to create, to, to create my flesh that then you eat." It's not there. The ritual isn't there. And, but, but the interpretation of that has turned into what is called high magic. It's called, like, it's a ceremonial magic where you're transforming bread into the flesh of a sacrificed god. And people do that every fucking Sunday and are like, "This is totally normal. Magic? What are you talking about? I'm not into fucking magic. What I do is I eat the flesh of a god that was sacrificed by a father god so that my sins could be purified." That's not magic.

    2. JR

      When did that originate?

    3. DT

      The-

    4. JR

      When did the sacrament...

    5. DT

      Well, I've read that it has something to do with... It goes back to Egypt, that it, that it's some kind of high magic Egyptian ritual.

    6. JR

      It was a mushroom.

    7. DT

      Or as a mushroom.

    8. JR

      They probably had a big bag of mushrooms and everybody came up and they put it on your tongue and they said, "Good luck."

    9. DT

      Yeah, I know. (laughs) Yeah, "This is the flesh."

    10. JR

      "See you on the other side."

    11. DT

      Well, I mean, they said... Yeah, they said, um, "You know, this is the flesh of God. Eat this to... And you'll remember who you truly are." And they gave you this, the psychedelic and you took it and you merged back into the divine and realized your true identity-

    12. JR

      Mm.

    13. DT

      ... so that for the rest of the week you were able to hang out with people and not be a complete asshole 'cause you know you share the same soul and that you're basically made of love as opposed to thinking that you and I are separate and that, um, we're mostly sinful, evil things whose flesh is impure. I mean, that's another fucking sweet gift that came from, um, fundamentalist Christianity, is the concept that our bodies are evil. We can't be naked around each other even now. Like, you can't take your clothes off around people without seeming completely insane. You will get arre-... If you go outside...... in your fundamental body that you were born into the universe with, you will get arrested. Like, you can't walk around as you are. You have to cover it in clothes or it's, you're considered to be a fucking-

    14. JR

      Pervert.

    15. DT

      ... pervert nudist.

    16. JR

      You're a psycho.

    17. DT

      So yeah, the, the fundamental vehicle that we, our soul rides around in is considered profane. To, to, to... Dude, and it like, you see a fucking dick when you're, like, walking down the street, some dude just-

    18. JR

      Oh! (laughs)

    19. DT

      ... suddenly you're like, "Ah, fuck, a dick!"

    20. JR

      Well, you could see a dick accidentally at the bathroom and it doesn't bother you.

    21. DT

      Doesn't bother you 'cause in the bathroom, it's okay for a moment to, to, to-

    22. JR

      Just to see a dick.

    23. DT

      ... to profane the world with your fucking dick. So it's like, that's the... When you start really looking at all the, the, y- the traces of not just pagan culture but just insanity from a fundamentalist perspective of the universe that has its roots in what appears to be a misunderstanding of a really beautiful story, then it's like mind-boggling. Mind-boggling.

    24. JR

      Yeah, not just a misunderstanding, but probably a conscious misrepresentation of the original story that's molded to suit whoever's needs is in charge at the moment.

    25. DT

      That's right. Yeah.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. DT

      And people... Dude, I'll tell you, man. Catholics, they feel guilty. Like, they should-

    28. JR

      Dude, I'm Catholic.

    29. DT

      You're feel... You still probably feel a little bit of the-

    30. JR

      Probably a little bit.

  11. 33:56 – 38:57

    Plant communication, making music from bioelectricity, and DMT in nature

    1. JR

      And I, I agree with you t- for the most part. It's probably a less extreme form of suffering, but it also might just be a completely misunderstood life form.

    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Like, they're, w- they're finding out so much about plant communication and I've read so many things about it that I hesitate to talk about it 'cause I really wanna have all my T's sliced and, you know, I's dotted 'cause it's such a complex issue. But it appears that they communicate. It appears that there's almost like a... That they're using the soil and the fungus in the soil and the mycelium.

    4. DT

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      They all have this weird ecosystem. It's not just, like, one plant by itself in the dirt.

    6. DT

      Yes.

    7. JR

      No, there's a network that they're-

    8. DT

      Right.

    9. JR

      ... connected to.

    10. DT

      It... The, the... Jamie, there's this thing I've just... This guy gave me this thing called a Midi Sprout, which is... It picks up, I guess, the bio-electricity of plants or anything for that matter, but plants. I've, I've got it. You stick it on your plant and it goes into, like, your, whatever your music system is and it translates-

    11. JR

      Oh, wow.

    12. DT

      ... it into MIDI so you can tran- turn, turn the electricity of your plant into music.

    13. JR

      What?

    14. DT

      Yeah, it's fucking cool. Yeah.

    15. NA

      (music)

    16. JR

      What?

    17. DT

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      That sound is the sound that's coming from a tree?

    19. DT

      Well, it's the electricity of the tree being translated into MIDI, which is then being translated into sound. So it's, it's a way to convert the data into music. It's like you're converting the bio-electricity into... It's not like that's the sound of a plant. It's not making celestial noises. That's just sending energy and creating MIDI, which is then being translated into the sound. So it's a way to observe the data. Instead of looking at it, I guess, on an oscilloscope or whatever you would look at that with-

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. DT

      ... it's turning it into a- into audio so you can hear the pulsating kind of, like, rhythmic flow.

    22. JR

      So, so that, that's measuring electrical currents in the plant?

    23. DT

      Yeah, that's it.

    24. JR

      So there's that much of a variation that it's, like, uh, going up and down all the time like that?

    25. DT

      Yeah, yeah. It, it i-

    26. JR

      Whoa.

    27. DT

      I mean, I don't know the, the total math behind it, but I've, I've got one on my, um, on a plant in my studio.

    28. JR

      Here, here's my take on it. The most potent psychedelic experience is DMT. DMT exists in so many different plants. It's in thousands of plants. They have-

    29. DT

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      They have no idea why.

  12. 38:57 – 49:15

    Psychedelic hygiene: meditation, exercise, and the practical path to being kinder

    1. DT

      Ah, that's cool. Yeah, I- I love that. I love the... In different psychedelic states, I love how you witness how your consciousness is forming your reality in the most extreme way.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. DT

      Not as though, like, you're producing matter with your thoughts or anything like that, but you can watch this undulation or this flow going from when you're getting negative and dark. Uh, and it's interesting how different psychedelics portray this phenomena, but... So, like, on acid, you- I- I might see, depending if I'm taking a high enough dose, you start seeing, like, the faces in the s- in the stucco of your ceiling, you know? And it's like when you start getting really depressive or scared, then the faces start doing like (screams) like hissing at you and they sink in and they... Or even when you're looking at yourself in the mirror, you- the- a similar things happens, is you're just watching the way that your projection that's coming from the incessant flow of thoughts in your mind is reflecting onto reality itself. And it's a constant, like, shifting of light that sometimes is like looking into the deepest layers of hell. But then sometimes, you see the most beautiful, sweet, incredible things, because you're not being freaked out by the flow of thoughts in your mind. That's the number one trick, you know? This is why now, in my old age, I really do understand why, um, a good practice, meditation, chanting, whatever it may be, pairs so nicely with psychedelics.

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. DT

      'Cause if you have one without the other, well, you're missing out. But also you're- you can really, like, go into some pretty terrifying places that you- that don't resolve in the way that they could potentially if you are doing the work, putting in the time before you take the psychedelic, you know? Not to sound like an old fucking guy, like, "Oh, you gotta u- d- you know, meditate and then take..." I'm n- but it does help a lot.

    6. JR

      Well, it- it's... There's a weird way that we- we want to dismiss it, th- because it seems almost like a pompous thing to ever say you meditate or you encourage people to meditate.

    7. DT

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      It's like the same as... I- I always have a cringey thing when I tell people to do yoga. Like, "Oh, my God, I'm gonna have to say this again."

    9. DT

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      But I really mean it. Like, I feel like yoga is one of the very best things that'll pair with, uh, cannabis use and with psychedelics.

    11. DT

      Sure.

    12. JR

      'Cause I think it- it alleviates a lot... You know another thing that's really good, is running. And I think both those things, they alleviate a certain amount of anxiety and they create... Uh, they... There's a blood flow through that.

    13. DT

      Yes.

    14. JR

      Like, when you're really, like, pumping hard up a hill-

    15. DT

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      ... and you're running, huffing and puffing, and you make it and you check your pulse and you- you recover quick and you go and do another hill run. There's a, there's a stimulation of your body, because it's being forced to work hard, that's euphoric. And after it's over, your brain's flooded with all these-

    17. DT

      Wow.

    18. JR

      ... wonderful chemicals. You feel good, you feel friendly. And like, I think that paired with psychedelic experiences, I think exercise is one of the most overlooked, so important. And it doesn't matter what style, like what you enjoy doing, but just gotta get that blood going. You gotta do something.

    19. DT

      That's it.

    20. JR

      Whether it's take a spin class or a yoga class or go for a good hike. Do something where you're fucking huffing and puffing and you're really getting in some work, you're really sweating, and your body will just feel better.

    21. DT

      Well, this is... What you just said exactly applies to meditation. And also, you're fucking right. The problem with even talking about it is you sound virtue-signally-

    22. JR

      Yep.

    23. DT

      ... and pompous-

    24. JR

      Yep.

    25. DT

      ... in a sense. But- but, and also-

    26. JR

      But it's true.

    27. DT

      And when you hear Ram Dass talk about meditation, he will say, "Uh, don't... Meditate when you wanna meditate. Like, don't- don't even... Like, if it seems like something that appeals to you, give it a shot." But the- the- the-... the definition of it itself, what's funny is when you think about meditation, your mind will summon up something that you think meditation looks like.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. DT

      So, you think, "Oh, it means like sitting down on a cushion with some fucking candles," or it means like whatever it is that, that your mind summons up. And usually it's pretty austere, and usually it's pretty... It requires like a temple or a space in your house, or it's in something.

    30. JR

      An outfit, get an outfit on.

  13. 49:15 – 54:50

    Immigration absurdities, gay parenthood, and the Berlin club shock story

    1. JR

      Did you hear about this kid? I got, I'm sorry to interrupt you-

    2. DT

      No.

    3. JR

      ... but I have to tell you this. Did you hear about this Canadian couple? There was a gay couple that, uh, had twins, and they did it through a surrogate, and they m- they mixed up their jizz so that no one knew which, you know, whose jizz was whose. Well, one guy's an American citizen-

    4. DT

      Oh, yeah.

    5. JR

      ... and one guy's not.

    6. DT

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      So the kids were born, and they did a DNA test on the kids 'cause they wanted to find out whether or not one of those kids was a dirty Canadian.

    8. DT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Turns out one of 'em is.

    10. DT

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      Trying to sneak over our borders-

    12. DT

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      ... at one day old. Fuck off!

    14. DT

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      So they sent that little fucking terrorist back to Canada.

    16. DT

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      Gay couple married in Canada sues US government for denying citizen to, to the child. Hey, assholes, let these fucking people come back. Jesus Christ.

    18. DT

      But you gotta understand, man, like, people like Jeff Sessions see a picture like that-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. DT

      ... and they feel like they're looking at somebody taking a dump on a crucifix. Like, for a lot of these people-

    21. JR

      Hm.

    22. DT

      ... they can't handle the idea of gay people having kids. It's not like they're worried about citizenship, it's like a lot of these gnarled fucks who are running things, they're terrified of gay people.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. DT

      You know? That's, it's, I'm sure that whoever made that decision, it wasn't anything to do with like, "Oh, this is citizenship laws." It was like, "Hey, man, we're not gonna have this futuristic shit where we're doing some kind of jizz co- combos here. We're not doing jizz combos in my country."

    25. JR

      I think they just used like one of those little, uh-

    26. DT

      Paintbrush.

    27. JR

      ... those, those things you stir with. You know, like if you wanna make a, a butter coffee, get a little blender. (imitates blender whirring)

    28. DT

      (laughs) You mean a whisk?

    29. JR

      You know that little-

    30. DT

      An electric whisk?

  14. 54:50 – 1:00:33

    Trumpy Bear as satire-for-profit and the turn into Trump/Mueller and FBI distrust

    1. JR

      Probably. Have you seen that video? The Trumpy bear video?

    2. DT

      No.

    3. JR

      I put it on my Instagram last night. I was watching TV and this fucking thing came on, and it's like a Tim and Eric sketch.

    4. DT

      What is it? It's like a-

    5. JR

      It's like a, it's a real commercial for a real stuffed animal.... look at this. The Trumpy bear. No, no. You gotta see the video though. Can you play the video? Oh, just go to my Instagram.

    6. DT

      Wow, that's cool.

    7. JR

      I put... I put the video up on my Insta... Oh, that's it. In the upper corner. Make that larger. And give me some volume.

    8. DT

      It's just two payments.

    9. JR

      Listen to this shit. Listen to this.

    10. NA

      The great American grizzly. Introducing the original Trumpy bear.

    11. JR

      This is real.

    12. NA

      The fearless, super plush American grizzly.

    13. JR

      Now, tell me this doesn't seem like a Tim and Eric sketch. Watch, watch how this goes on.

    14. NA

      ... Flag Day. Just find the secret zipper and pull out the American flag themed blanket.

    15. DT

      (laughs)

    16. NA

      Then wrap yourself in the red, white, and blue for comfort and warmth.

    17. DT

      That's... I'm getting one of these.

    18. JR

      Hold on, it gets crazier. Watch.

    19. NA

      Display Trumpy on Flag Day and on any American holiday.

    20. DT

      (laughs)

    21. NA

      God bless America.

    22. DT

      God (laughs) .

    23. NA

      And God bless Trumpy Bear.

    24. Trumpy Bear sits proudly on the front of the motorcycle-

    25. JR

      Wait, look at this.

    26. NA

      ... for all the world to see, and loves to cruise with his brother. I'm a former Marine and I'm proud-

    27. DT

      Fuck yeah.

    28. NA

      ... to have Trumpy Bear ride by my side.

    29. DT

      Fuck yeah.

    30. NA

      Once a Marine, always a Marine.

  15. 1:00:33 – 1:14:06

    Power, surveillance, and ‘suicides’: Petraeus, Hastings, secret societies, and moon-landing suspicion

    1. JR

      They have to. And that's... And there's a checks and balance system that's been proven to... Now, I don't agree with this, uh, because I think this is a crazy reason to fire a guy, especially a guy who's a war hero. But General Petraeus, he... His whole thing, he got busted because the FBI was looking into something. The FBI was looking into something and got the head of the CIA in trouble. So they go after each other.

    2. DT

      Wow.

    3. JR

      So there's kind of a competitive thing, apparently.

    4. DT

      Fucking weird.

    5. JR

      Yeah, sometimes they don't get along. Sometimes the CIA and the FBI, they, they don't see eye to eye on certain things. But this one was a weird one because it was about an affair. It's like, of all the shit that he did bad, like, he had an affair?... like, this guy's out there-

    6. DT

      Right.

    7. JR

      ... smashing worlds with these ... What is the mother of all bombs? What the, what the fuck?

    8. DT

      He-

    9. JR

      He didn't launch that one, that was after his time. But they, they launched all kinds of crazy bombs over there.

    10. DT

      Right.

    11. JR

      I mean, they're just shooting drones and-

    12. DT

      Totally fine.

    13. JR

      ... missiles. That's all good. (whispering) "I heard you put your penis inside the wrong person."

    14. DT

      Dude, that's-

    15. JR

      Did she let you?

    16. DT

      ... cray ... It's crazy.

    17. JR

      Whoa, we're gonna investigate where your penis has been, you dirty-

    18. DT

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... dirty boy. In between killing strangers, you're out there putting your-

    20. DT

      (laughs)

    21. JR

      ... penis in the wrong person. We can take all the accidental drone deaths you got for us-

    22. DT

      Yeah, that's right.

    23. JR

      ... but what we can't take is you shooting your dirty, dirty semen inside another woman.

    24. DT

      You will only express love for one woman in this world.

    25. JR

      What?

    26. DT

      That's it. You can only feel love for one person at a time, and you're definitely not gonna put that general cock in anyone else but Lydia Petraeus, your wife.

    27. JR

      You swore an oath, sir!

    28. DT

      (laughs) It's so fucked up.

    29. JR

      An oath of affection!

    30. DT

      It's so fucked up. (laughs) It's so sad.

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