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Headsets, college radio mishaps, and why music podcasts are legally tricky
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Three, two... Jamie with the quick count. Jimmy Dore. We're live, we're live.
- JDJimmy Dore
Oh, fantastic.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you use headsets or no? Are you a no-headset guy?
- JDJimmy Dore
Oh, should I wear a headset? I'll wear a headset, sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's up to you. I just feel lonely if I'm the only guy with headsets.
- JDJimmy Dore
Oh, okay, there you... Ooh, that's nice.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that better?
- JDJimmy Dore
Oh, I got somebody... Like they got their privacy going. "Hey, what time is it?" It's 11:01, one minute after 11:00. 59 minutes before the top of the 12 hours.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you ever do that? Did you ever do, like, a regular radio show?
- JDJimmy Dore
I had... In college I had a radio show, but it wasn't real. It was, uh... It just broadcast to no one, actually, it turned out.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
To the campus?
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Was it just to the campus?
- JDJimmy Dore
It was supposed to be going out to the campus, and then we found out about three months in it wasn't going out to (laughs) anybody.
- JRJoe Rogan
I always had dreams of doing a radio show, but I always knew that I would fuck it up, you know? I'm like, I'd get fired or something. I never th- And I never thought anybody would hire me, you know?
- JDJimmy Dore
I got in trouble f- at that station for, uh, li- for playing the same song three times in a row (laughs) 'cause I was like-
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause it was so good?
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah, I liked it. It was-
- JRJoe Rogan
What was the song?
- JDJimmy Dore
I don't even remember. It was, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ha, ha.
- JDJimmy Dore
... some off-brand, I'd never heard of them be- like, the Rabbani Brothers. I was like, "This is a fun song." I-
- JRJoe Rogan
They fired you from a college station for that?
- JDJimmy Dore
They didn't fire me. They came in and they yelled at me. And I was like, "This isn't even going out to anyone." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
And if it was a nice day and I had to do my radio shift, I would just come in and simulcast with the FM, 'cause I was on AM-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 1:56 – 3:39
Comedy love letter: Rogan’s new material, joke longevity, and comedian jealousy
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but the thing is, nobody wants to hear your jokes more than once. That's the problem with jokes.
- JDJimmy Dore
That's not true, Joe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- JDJimmy Dore
All right. Fir- first of all, let me blow smoke up your ass a little bit. I'm not actually... This is sincere. So I've seen you do comedy before. I saw you... We did, uh, the 2004, I think it was the Aspen Festival. We were on the opening night show at the Wheeler, uh, Opera House. And then I saw you do sets at The Improv. And I always thought you were funny, you know? Uh, but I never remembered any of your jokes. And then I saw you at The Comedy Store a couple weeks ago, and I've been doing your act ever since. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
I've been telling your jokes everywhere I go to anybody who will listen, and everybody falls down laughing. Those jokes that you have... First of all, the joke about Weinstein is just so goddamn funny.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Thanks.
- JDJimmy Dore
And then the joke about the wrestling. Goddamn it, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Thanks, man.
- JDJimmy Dore
And I... It's, it's hard for me to not say them right in your face right now. I know I s- It would... That would be not good if I did your jokes right to you. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
But I can't not do... Those are some of the funniest jokes I've heard in a long time. And, uh, I know people are gonna be saying, "Oh, he's such a kiss ass." I'm not kidding. I love comedy and I love jokes, and I can re- remember jokes that I like. And, uh, (laughs) that Harvey Weinstein joke.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
That's so goddamn funny.
- JRJoe Rogan
I, I'm gonna rush to get that onto a Netflix special because I'm worried it's gonna get old.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause right now, you know, it's like, it happened a couple of months ago, it's still okay. And I'm recording in April and I'm like, "Boy, April is like The Wire." That's like Under the Wire.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- JDJimmy Dore
I think it'll be okay 'cause there, there's not gonna be a bigger-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
... uh, raper or whatever than Harvey Weinstein could come. He's prob- he's the pinnacle, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Like, if you had a Cosby joke today, it's still okay.
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause he's such a raper.
- JDJimmy Dore
That's right. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- 3:39 – 6:39
From Cosby to Aziz: the #MeToo pendulum and differences in threat perception
- JDJimmy Dore
I forgot Cosby. You're right.
- JRJoe Rogan
How could you forget? Did you see the recent shit where Cosby was at a barbershop? There's videos of him hanging out at the barbershop talking about jazz, uh, trivia-
- JDJimmy Dore
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
... talking with all the barbershop guys in Philly.
- JDJimmy Dore
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah. He actually performed recently at a jazz club. Yeah, he showed up at this jazz club and performed, and then announced that he was gonna perform at another place. He's, like, he's back while he's in between trials.
- JDJimmy Dore
Wow. So, uh... See, that's the weird thing. I always wondered, like... He was still selling tickets.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
Like, people will still show up to see him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, before the no one... Before anyone knew for sure what was going on, there was a couple of accusations and everybody was like, "What is this?" Like, "What, what is this really? Is this real? Is this someone doing a shakedown?" And then they started... The, the... Just the fucking tsunami of accusations started piling in, which is really incredible when you think about it, how many years that guy was doing that.
- JDJimmy Dore
Uh, it's unbelievable how you... He could get away with that for so long and-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's terrifying.
- JDJimmy Dore
... and then something... And then now it's like you just go on a bad date and you're, you're getting in trouble.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like Aziz Ansari?
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's horrible, right?
- JDJimmy Dore
I know. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Now, well, it's... The pendulum swings. You know? I, I think it's, it's, it's kind of open season on men right now, and it'll swing back around and it'll be normal again. And, you know, it makes sense. I mean, you, you... There's so many of these accusations that happen, you know, after a while they pile up and then there's this just, like, anti-male resentment-
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... and then it'll swing back and it'll normalize. And people are sort of reacting to the Aziz thing, and they say, "Well, that went a little too far." And then the woman who was in charge of... The California woman who was a big Me Too supporter, she got busted. Did you see that?
- JDJimmy Dore
Oh, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. She was grabbing some dude's dick-
- JDJimmy Dore
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and grabbing his ass, and she was drunk and she's, she was a congresswoman.
- JDJimmy Dore
No kidding.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
You ever have-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Look, people-
- JDJimmy Dore
You have, you have a girl do that to you?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 6:39 – 10:52
Workplace harassment jokes, real examples, and what actually constitutes violation
- JDJimmy Dore
Well, there was this guy... And see, this is, uh, how I like remembering jokes. I haven't seen this guy probably tell jokes for 25 years. His name is Paul Kelly. And it was right in the, in the '80s, or at the end of the '80s when, when women were in the workforce and that was like One Day at a Time, remember that show?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, sure.
- JDJimmy Dore
It was all about women. And so things were weird in the workplace. Men didn't know how to talk to women and how to act and then they would go, "Oh, she's just like one of the guys." Remember that? They would say that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
That was the highest compliment you could give a woman. "She's like one of the guys. We don't have to act weird around her." And this guy Paul Kelly, that's when people started to talk about sexual harassment and he said, "See, men, we don't understand what that is."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JDJimmy Dore
"It's like, uh, wait a minute, you mean y- you're gonna touch my dick while I type?"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
"And I get insurance?" (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Well, I... We say that but d- um... My friend TJ, do you know The Amazing Atheist? Do you know who he is?
- JDJimmy Dore
Oh, I do know who he is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
I've seen, uh, his show o- uh, bl- uh, on the YouTube.
- JRJoe Rogan
Very funny guy.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, he told me, and he's kind of an introvert, he told me that he was working in an office once and a woman who was his boss was sexually harassing him. And it was completely unwanted, and she would grab him and he would lock up-
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... he'd freeze and be uncomfortable and, and it was gross. You know? He said it was r- he was r- but he's a big guy, I mean, he wasn't physically in danger. I'm sure it felt super uncomfortable, but it's always gonna be a notch, several notches less scary.
- JDJimmy Dore
Well, because she can't take out her dick and stick it in you.
- JRJoe Rogan
There you go.
- JDJimmy Dore
That's a big difference. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's right. Right? The thing is the violation, right?
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's like the fa- fact that someone could physically hold you against your will and just-
- JDJimmy Dore
And penetrate you. In you, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... stick something in you. Yeah. Take, yeah, get into your body.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes, inside, inside of you. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Like a woman literally can't do that. She can engulf you. That, that could be scary.
- JDJimmy Dore
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Someone engulfing you, like, oh, Jesus.
- 10:52 – 13:52
Jimmy’s standup identity: Bill Hicks, anger, image, and finding his voice via YouTube
- JDJimmy Dore
I do because, uh, through my... It helps me to f- discover who I am more. Because as a standup I, um, I was like Bill Hicks, was my favorite guy. When I saw Bill Hicks in Chicago, I almost quit. Um...
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
Because I was in comedy about three or four years and I was like, "I fucking know what I'm doing." You know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
And every s- before I got on stage I'd be like, "Wait till they get a load of me." You know? I was like, "That guy?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
"Oh, I'm the fucking baddest ass in Chicago."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
And then, uh, everybody talked about this guy Bill Hicks, right? And I was like, "I'll, I'm gonna check this guy out." So I sat down and, uh, he starts his set and about two minutes in I started drinking. And then about five minutes in I started drinking more. And about 10 minutes in I was convinced that I was gonna quit comedy. Because-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- JDJimmy Dore
... my whole life, you know, I always thought like... A- George Carlin was my hero and I was like, "You know, if I do everything right, uh, I could maybe be like George Carlin for one special." Like, "Maybe if I get everything right and I really work it." And I saw Bill Hicks and I knew I was n- I was always gonna be competing for second place. And so when he died it made me feel a lot better. I was like, "Oh fuck, I'm back." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Oh, that's the worst.
- JDJimmy Dore
No, it was the saddest thing when he died, of course. He was my hero. And, um, you know, I didn't really know him. I knew him tangentially and it was weird to feel that kind of sadness for someone who you don't know personally.And, um, so that was a big deal to me, watching Bill Hicks. It totally changed my life. And I tried to be like him. Of course, like an idiot, I tried to be like him and you can't, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
And, uh, and then one time I was dating this, uh, girl, and might be my wife, I don't know who told me this, but she said, "You don't look like you, where you come from." 'Cause I come from the South Side of Chicago, grew up poor. 12 kids, drinking powdered milk, you know, and having the shit beat out of me from the fucking morning 'til night, right? 'Cause I went to Catholic school, tough neighborhood, and my... So, uh, and she's like, "You can't be angry like Bill Hicks, because you look like you come from privilege, money, and you're dressed well." I always liked to dress nice 'cause I grew up poor. I always wanted to be... And, uh, so that's when I had to, like, pull back on the anger on stage, and I was like, "If you watch my specials on Comedy Central, I'm very nice." And, uh, doing the YouTube show is what let me, uh, connect with my anger, which is always what drives me. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah, that's interesting.
- JDJimmy Dore
And that is what has connected with people, and that's when I really started selling tickets and my, everything, you know, everything I wanted to get from comedy, in a sense, uh, I got from this YouTube show. So now I can go wherever I want and do a show and just, my fans will show up. It's, it's the greatest thing that ever happened in my life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you're very good on your YouTube show, and you're also very fair. You know, one of the things that I really like about your show is, you, you are v- you're obviously a left-leaning guy, but you're very balanced in your criticism of the left, in your criticism of criticism of the left, and-
- JDJimmy Dore
Well, if you have to lie to make your point, you don't have a good point.
- JRJoe Rogan
I agree with you 1,000%.
- JDJimmy Dore
So...
- JRJoe Rogan
I think that's so- it's such an important thing that's being missed today.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 13:52 – 15:33
Democrats, Obama-era disillusionment, and the healthcare fight (ACA vs single payer)
- JDJimmy Dore
And I don't know that, and I don't know... I've gone back and forth on issues. Everybody-
- JRJoe Rogan
Sure.
- JDJimmy Dore
... I think you can be allowed to go back and forth on issues. You know, um, I was, uh, I was against gun control, I was for gun control, then I was against it again. I mean, you know...
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
Uh, so, um, uh, the thing that... People give me a lot of har- I get, I get more of a hard time from people who consider themselves on the left than people who consider themselves on the right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Today, right?
- JDJimmy Dore
Today.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is a new thing, though, isn't it?
- JDJimmy Dore
It's a new thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Over the last decade?
- JDJimmy Dore
Right, it's because-
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe less than a decade.
- JDJimmy Dore
Well, to me it since, uh, it's, it really started with Bill Clinton in '92, but it didn't get really ramped up until Barack Obama in like 2010 when it was clear that Barack Obama was a neo-liberal corporatist who was gonna do the bidding of the war machine and Wall Street and big pharma. Which is why when the Democrats got control of government, they had, uh, the presidency, the Senate, filibuster-proof Senate for a few months, and they had the Congress and the House, and they didn't pass single pay or even a public option. What do we get? We got a right-wing healthcare plan anyway which is a giveaway to the phar- pharma and health insurance companies that left out 28 million fucking people.
- JRJoe Rogan
And infuriated small business owners, infuriated people that were, pro, that had a small practice, that they were, they were doctors and, you know, and all, all such, sorts of people that were...
- JDJimmy Dore
It was better than what we had. It was a bad solutio- it wasn't a solution. What it was was a solution for the pharmaceutical companies and the health insurance companies.
- JRJoe Rogan
How was it better than what we had? In what way?
- JDJimmy Dore
Well, because you, before there was preexisting conditions and you couldn't get coverage, so then-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
... now we're supposed to, so now you could always get coverage and...
- JRJoe Rogan
So that part was better, the-
- JDJimmy Dore
S- yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the fact that you can get covered even if you had an issue.
- 15:33 – 22:44
Medical nightmare: rare bone disease, shrinking height, misdiagnosis, and life-saving treatment
- JDJimmy Dore
Right, right. So then you could, then you could go on an exchange and stuff like that. I never had to do that. I always got, through my wife's employer, I always had my health insurance, right? And by the way, having health insurance is (laughs) , doesn't really mean that mu- I got really sick and she-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you were talking about this before the podcast.
- JDJimmy Dore
Well this was be- that's a, this is a different thing, but I got, uh, I had a, uh, an illness where they couldn't diagnose for a few years. And it almost killed me, right? And...
- JRJoe Rogan
What was it?
- JDJimmy Dore
It was called hypophosphatemic osteomalacia.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- JDJimmy Dore
And... (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That should be on late night TV.
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs) Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like one of those commercials. "Do you have osco-pharmatruicilicious-"
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs) "Do you have oso-"
- JRJoe Rogan
"...-fectalidocious?"
- JDJimmy Dore
Side effects include death. I, uh... (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
What is it?
- JDJimmy Dore
Uh, it's a, it's a bone disease. So, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- JDJimmy Dore
... my bones were emitting ev- uh... The, the, the bottom line is my bones were dis- I was having, uh, bone disintegration.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- JDJimmy Dore
So, yeah, I used to be much taller.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
I know that sounds funny, right? But it's actually true.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that true?
- JDJimmy Dore
When we met I was taller than you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Get the fuck outta here.
- JDJimmy Dore
Mm-mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
How much, how tall were you?
- JDJimmy Dore
I was around 5'10".
- JRJoe Rogan
And you shrank to 5'8"?
- JDJimmy Dore
I'm a, I'm a little, little under 5'8".
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow. That's crazy.
- 22:44 – 29:08
Diet wars: wheat, sugar crashes, vegetarian guilt, hunting ethics, and factory farming outrage
- JDJimmy Dore
I saw this fucking video about cows. I've seen those too. Where they, the c-... No, no, not those. Mm-hmm. So, in the, in, I don't know, Norway or Denmark, I don't know where, somewhere over there, they have a, a law that you have to let the cows out of the barn in the spring at the, on this, by this one day. Oh, you're talking about the one where the cow jumps out and starts bouncing around? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen that. And so they all come out and they start jumping around like dogs. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, "Oh, my god. Yeah, I couldn't eat my dog." Right. You know? And that's, that was the first like, doo-doosh. Like, "Oh, Jesus." And then I accidentally saw this thing of, uh, this video about a pig, and I can't eat pigs anymore. I can't eat porks. Yeah. I can't. And I'm that close to not eating meat, but, um, I eat a lot of pasta. You know I like to eat, I like to cook. But your doctor said, well, pasta's terrible for you. Your doctor- Yeah, I know, right? But I, I have whole wheat pasta. Your doctor said... Oh, that's not any better for you. That's not better? No. No, it's terrible for you. Whole wheat pasta has the same amount of gluten in it, it's the same amount of sugars in it. It's n- it's maybe slightly better than refined pasta, like wheat bread is slightly better than white bread, but it's all bullshit. It's all just filler. There's not, there's not... Very few nutrients. It's not... Cinn- eh- uh- But seven-grain bread is better, man. That's all horse shit, man. Bread is horse shit. Ugh. It's not good for you. Don't do this to me. It just is. Wheat is just not a good food. Really? It's a good filler. I mean, if you're starving, it'll keep you alive. I mean, that's literally what they invented it for. Mm-hmm. You know? They ground up wheat and figured out a way to cook it, and... And the wheat that we're eating today is not heirloom wheat. It's all wheat that's been adjusted and genetically modified so that it has higher yield in smaller areas. Like, um, there's a documentary called What's With Wheat? It's really fascinating. Really? Yeah, and they go over the details of, like, what happened with wheat, but it's somewhere around the early 19th century, or the 20th century rather.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in early 1900s, they started altering wheat, and they did it so that they can get higher yield in a smaller area. But by doing that, you, you increase the amount of complex glutens in the wheat. It makes it much more difficult for people to digest, and then it's... That's where you see, like, the elevation of all these gluten sensitivity issues, and people are like, "When I was a kid, there was no gluten sensitivity." First of all, nobody knew what the fuck happened. You got fat, you had a heart attack, and you died.
- JDJimmy Dore
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
They, they really didn't know. They didn't... They were w- much less aware of why people were fat, but sugars, wheat, those are two of the biggest problems that we have.
- JDJimmy Dore
No kidding.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's terrible for you.
- JDJimmy Dore
So when I went to this Chinese medicine doctor, um, uh, it was back when I was feeling sick and, um, so I went to... Somebody recommended, "You should go see this Chinese mede-" I'm like, "I'll try whatever." So what he did was he changed my diet. So he's, got, got me off of white sugar, dairy-
- JRJoe Rogan
Even brown sugar's terrible for you.
- JDJimmy Dore
And, I'm su- sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
And, and, like, and g- and carbs basically.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JDJimmy Dore
And, um, he told me not to drink soda. And I said-
- JRJoe Rogan
Good.
- JDJimmy Dore
... "Well, I drink diet." He goes, "That's worse because of the chemicals in it."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
And, um, so I was like, "Holy shit." I, I, I'm like, "Okay." So then he sells me these herbs for 800 bucks, and they're a m- a month's supply. So s- I realized that's all I ate. When I got out of his office, I, like... Every time I eat, I'm eating white flour, I'm eating bread, or a pizza, or a pasta, or a cheese, or... Everything, everything he told me not to eat, that's all I ate. So I was like... They go... I remember my girlfriend said, "How long are you gonna do this?" I go, "At least for a month 'cause that's how much these herbs are, and they're 800 bucks. I don't wanna..." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
So by the... By day three, I was leaping out of bed. I could not get over how much energy I had.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's 'cause you don't have that big insulin crash. When you're eating all that sugar and all that bread, your body's just fighting that shit off all the time, trying to process it, and then there's this big crash. Boom.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then you have to take a nap.
- JDJimmy Dore
What do you eat?
- JRJoe Rogan
I eat mostly meat and avocados and healthy fats and vegetables. But I, I hunt, so I... Everything I eat is wild. So when I'm eating meat, I'm eating elk or deer or something along those lines.
- JDJimmy Dore
Now, you c-... You don't feel bad when you see the deer you just shot?
- JRJoe Rogan
I do feel a sense of loss, but I do also know that this is a wild animal that had no idea what was going on until an arrow hit it. It's not like something that's living in some pen and being tortured-
- JDJimmy Dore
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and, and genetically modified and filled with antibiotics and hormones. It's a wild animal, and their life expectancy is very short. They get taken out by bears and wolves and coyotes and pumas. They don't... They're not making it. None of them are making it. Zero. 0%.
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
They're starving to death. They're freezing to death. What you're doing is just dipping your foot in the wild w- world. You are d- be- taking part in the cycle of life. And I get-
- 29:08 – 36:08
Corporate impunity and political corruption: Wall Street, Mnuchin, Kamala Harris, and the “club”
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JDJimmy Dore
... something like th-... So we, we... By the way, we are (laughs) be-... We're, we're living in a, uh, uh... This is a lawless time, right? So the o- law only applies to the poor. It does not apply to, uh, war criminals. It doesn't apply to Wall Street. It doesn't apply to anybody except-
- JRJoe Rogan
Giant corporations have figured out a way to skirt the law-
- JDJimmy Dore
It, it-
- JRJoe Rogan
... with money.
- JDJimmy Dore
... le-... If you steal from rich people, that they will get upset, like Bernie Madoff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
That was...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JDJimmy Dore
He stole from rich people. That was wrong.
- JRJoe Rogan
He fucked up.
- JDJimmy Dore
But if you're, if you're a Jamie Dimon or if you're Goldman Sachs or if you're... And you steal from poor people or veterans or old ladies, that's fine, that's fine. Tha- then you become Secretary of the Treasury, like Steve Mnuchin.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mnuchin is one of my favorite evil characters-
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... of the 21st century. When you see him-
- JDJimmy Dore
It's like a cartoon.
- JRJoe Rogan
... with his wife and his wife has gloves on and they're holding the money-
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and she's smiling, and when she fucking tags, like, Gucci and sh- Cartier and all these different, like, big time companies in her Instagram posts when she's stepping off of a fucking private jet, like-
- JDJimmy Dore
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Holy shit. Look at that picture. I love that picture!
- JDJimmy Dore
There it is.
- JRJoe Rogan
First of all, the fact that she would fuck him, that's a crime. That woman is a thief.
- JDJimmy Dore
That's the power of money.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I mean, but it's also prostitution. That's, that's a crime.
- JDJimmy Dore
You don't think she's hot for him? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
No, I do not. I'm d-... I'm gonna be honest with you.
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? I think if you were there, I'd say, "Okay."
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- 36:08 – 52:54
Endless war economy: Pentagon budgets, Syria narratives, Russia distraction, and false-flag claims
- JDJimmy Dore
We have two pro-war parties, and that's the pro- there's not an opposition party. They oppose Trump on the most ridiculous bullshit. They just voted for an extra $160 billion to go to the war machine. $160 billion. Let's remember, Bernie Sanders wanted to pay for free college, which was somewhere around $65 billion. So, and everybody said, "He's fucking crazy. How are you gonna pay for that?" They just did that in a blink of an eye. They passed $160 billion to a war machine that we don't have an enemy to fight. You know, Russia spends $65 billion a year on their military. They're a paper tiger. We got no fucking enemies out there. We have to keep inventing them. And the last, the last enemy they invented was ISIS. ISIS, I don't know if you're... We're supposed to shit our pants over them, Joe, because they have kitchen knives.... they'll cut your head off with a kitchen knife. That's what I'm supposed to be afraid of? What the fuck? Wha- uh, i- i- it's, it's, it's amazing how they can keep us scared, so they can keep perpetual war going. This is an Orwellian nightmare, and the Democrats right now should be screaming about the Pentagon budget, but they're not screaming about it because they're complicit. They're in it, and that's what's wrong with this country. That's why we can't have nice things. So when-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
... what, w- when they tell you th- that you, we're broke and we can't afford stuff, they don't mean we can't afford trillion-dollar wars, trillion-dollar bank bailouts, billion-dollar oil subsidies, and prison construction. That's not what they mean. They mean we can't afford shit like healthcare or education or roads or bridges or firemen or libraries, or anything that makes your fucking life better. Because whenever they need bombs, they got it. "Hey, we're broke for Social Security. We're broke for Medicare. How about for bombs?" "Oh, we got bomb money. We keep it right next to our fucking drinking money."
- JRJoe Rogan
Th- that, that is true because we're not really in a war in the sense of, like, World War II or World War I. We're in this weird war of... It's like a calculated war.
- JDJimmy Dore
They're all economic wars, Joe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
They're all... Uh, so we went into Iraq for the, uh, er, for the w- oil. Libya is because he wanted to go off the Petrodollar.
- JRJoe Rogan
But it is stunning-
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... how much funding this kind of war gets versus all the different social programs that we need in this country.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Infrastructure programs.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes. We c- and, and people always think, like, "Well, how are you gonna pay for that?" We don't have to spend any more money. We can actually spend len- less (laughs) money. We don't have to spend $750 billion a year on a military that's bloated. We have thousand bases around the coun- around the world. We don't even know how many bases there are, because lots of them are secret. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
So, what do you say to the argument that we need them in order to stay safe?
- JDJimmy Dore
It's not true. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the big argument, right? The big argument is this is the way we, we've destroyed ISIS 'cause ISIS was on their way to building up and becoming a real threat.
- JDJimmy Dore
We invented ISIS.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well-
- JDJimmy Dore
We invited Al-Qaeda and then we invented ISIS.
- JRJoe Rogan
We c- we certainly aided in their...
- JDJimmy Dore
Development.
- JRJoe Rogan
... their development. Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
And we then, we, we directly funded them. We directly funded them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, people that don't know the whole Mujahideen story, which was... Osama bin Laden was our guy. He was-
- JDJimmy Dore
That was our guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
He was our guy fighting against the Soviets.
- JDJimmy Dore
He was an anti-ru- anti-Russian terr- uh, anti-Russian freedom fighter-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
... is what they called Osama bin Laden.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 52:54 – 1:08:32
Late-night TV lost its edge: Jay Leno, Bill Hicks, Colbert, and podcasts replacing “danger”
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Hey, how are you doing?
- JDJimmy Dore
Hey. And, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
You have to stick your chin out when you do that. (laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
Boy, his new show is fantastic.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's really good.
- JDJimmy Dore
That car show is ... That i- ... That's the show I wish he would've been doing all along.
- JRJoe Rogan
I've said the exact same thing.
- JDJimmy Dore
Are you kidding me?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. I said it to him.
- JDJimmy Dore
I couldn't believe how much I liked it.
- JRJoe Rogan
I like him.
- JDJimmy Dore
I like him on that show.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. (laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
That's the ... (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you know why? It's because he's passionate.
- JDJimmy Dore
I like him. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like that's who he really is.
- JDJimmy Dore
That's who he was.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
You know, when you would watch him interview someone, you could tell, uh, he didn't give a fuck about the question he was asking.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you remember the Bill Hicks bit?
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bill Hicks bit about him-
- JDJimmy Dore
Of course I do.
- JRJoe Rogan
... interviewing ... Who the fuck?
- JDJimmy Dore
Hey, Joey. Hey, Joey Lawrence.
- JRJoe Rogan
Joey Lawrence. That's right. (laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
"So you've got a car now, are you driving?"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
"You driving?"
Episode duration: 2:50:38
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