Joe Rogan Experience #1079 - Tony Hinchcliffe

Joe Rogan 0:07 Boom, and we're live. Jamie, where'd you get that awesome shirt? Show everybody your shirt.

Narrator 0:11 I picked it up yesterday.

Joe Rogan 0:11 Can you show the people your shirt?

Narrator 0:12 Yeah. I picked it up yesterday. It says "Believe... Believe dat." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:16 (laughs) "Believe dat."

Narrator 0:16 It's from The Hundreds. I saw it at the store yesterday.

Joe Rogan 0:19 What is The Hundreds?

Narrator 0:20 The Hundreds is a street wear brand. It's a store in Fairfax.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Oh, I thought it was, like, a scene in a movie.

Narrator 0:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:24 I was confused. Oh, so-

Narrator 0:26 Yeah. I just saw it and I was like, "Ah, dope." Getting it.

Joe Rogan 0:28 Yeah, I mean, that's a combination of that girl who was on Dr. Phil's show and UFOs.

Narrator 0:34 Sorta, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:35 Yeah.

Narrator 0:35 Take-

Joe Rogan 0:36 "Believe dat."

Narrator 0:38 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:38 'Cause, like, believe... Believe is so X-Files, d- year two... 1999 or whatever it was. Like, when was The X-Files on?

Narrator 0:48 It's on now.

Joe Rogan 0:49 But when... Yeah, right.

Narrator 0:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:50 But when was the original one?

Narrator 0:51 Yeah, uh...

Joe Rogan 0:51 Like, when did it start?

Narrator 0:52 90s. Late 90s, mid-90s. Yeah, I feel like-

Joe Rogan 0:54 Yeah. Believe is that. That's that poster, and it's... I always just... You can't disconnect them from the po- the poster in Mulder's office. But "Believe dat?" That's today. You nailed it.

Narrator 1:07 Even...

Joe Rogan 1:07 Whoever made that shirt. (laughs)

Narrator 1:09 I wanna believe.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11 It's a cool shirt.

Joe Rogan 1:12 Is it "I want to believe"? Is that what it said on the poster?

Narrator 1:13 The X-Files. On The X-Files, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14 Right. Yeah. "Believe dat"'s better.

Narrator 1:16 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:17 But I do wanna believe, of all the things, of all the stupid things, I would love to believe that someone, like, got real footage of UFOs. Like, more than almost any other weird, like, Bigfoot-type, Loch Ness Monster, all the really nutty shit. If they could find out one of those was true? Fucking aliens, number one, right? For sure.

Narrator 1:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39 Even if you just knew for sure that a r- you saw a real ship.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:43 Or if the aliens looked like, uh, Bigfoot. Then you killed two birds with one stone.

Joe Rogan 1:48 (sighs) That was an actual theory.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:51 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:52 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:53 'Cause some of these Bigfoot people are so... There's spectrums of Bigfoot people, man. There's Bigfoot people. There's people that are, like, real primatologists, like Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall believes in Bigfoot, believe it or not. It's really fascinating. There's a whole, uh, interview with her where she says she's sure of it. She said she's sure that there's another species. Th-

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:15 How c- how can she be sure?

Joe Rogan 2:17 Well, let's play the clip. See if we can find that clip. Um...

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:20 Who's Jane Goodall again?

Joe Rogan 2:21 She's a world-famous primatologist who did some groundbreaking work with chimpanzees. She essentially lived with chimpanzees. She's so powerful. I mean-

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:30 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:30 ... this lady's amazing if you... You watch her documentaries. So when someone like her says something like that, I'm like, "Okay. Well, I should shut the fuck up and stay in my lane." What? Am I gonna argue with Jane Goodall about primates? And it used to be a real thing. There used to really be a Gigantopithecus, an eight-foot-tall orangutan-like thing that probably walked on two legs. (smacks lips)

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:53 And so-

Joe Rogan 2:54 And she believes it's real.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:55 ... she thinks it did exist or she thinks there might-

Joe Rogan 2:57 She thinks it exists right now.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:58 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:59 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:00 Wow.

Joe Rogan 3:01 I don't think it was taken out of context, 'cause, uh, I'm pretty sure it was, um... Someone asked her a question and then she gave a, a long and detailed answer. Based on, like, what we know about certain chimpanzee subspecies that are really, really hard to find. Like, we're, we're just finding out... I think they figured it out from, like, the 1990s. There's a giant version of chimpanzees that lives in the Congo. It's a... They're, they're calling 'em, uh, Bondo apes or, uh... There's a couple different names for 'em, they call 'em. But they sleep on the ground like gorillas. They're giant chimps.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:34 I love that stuff, man.

Joe Rogan 3:35 (laughs) These are apes. They're huge.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:35 I just watched Planet Earth 2 the other day, just mesmerized, just physically saying, like, "Wow. Wow."

Joe Rogan 3:42 I don't think a normal person understands what you're talking about when you say a six-foot-tall chimp.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:48 I just don't think they know what you're talking about. You're talking about, like, a super gorilla. It's, like, not... It's, it's way scarier than a gorilla because they're, they're chimps. Chimps are scarier. Chimps are predators.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:01 Chimps eat monkeys, man. I mean, they, they... People wanna associate chimps with bananas and nuts and stuff like that, and they eat that stuff too, but they also eat monkeys.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:11 Scary.

Joe Rogan 4:12 Dude. They're r- they're ruthless motherfuckers. What is this, buddy?

Narrator 4:15 This is from a NPR Conversation in 2002.

Joe Rogan 4:17 Yeah, see if you can find the actual recording, 'cause it's fascinating when you hear the tone of her voice.

Narrator 4:22 Okay.

Joe Rogan 4:22 She says something like, "I'm sure of it."

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:24 Wow.

Joe Rogan 4:25 'Cause she has this super powerful voice. This... I mean, this lady is a fucking biologist badass. She was living with chimps, man. Just hanging out with 'em constantly. Do you know what kind of a human being you have to be, to be able to keep your shit together in a tribe of wild chimps, where they accept you?

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:43 Scary.

Joe Rogan 4:43 And they, they don't just smash your fucking head in for a goof? (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:48 That is crazy.

Joe Rogan 4:49 Dude. Come on, man. Well, here's... This is the transcription, but I'm, I'm pretty sure that-

Narrator 4:55 I can't find it. It says soundbite here, but there's no link or anything.

Joe Rogan 4:57 Oh, I know it exists, dude. Try to find it on, uh, YouTube maybe.

Narrator 5:01 All right. Shit.

Joe Rogan 5:03 Well, what did s- What did she say there?

Narrator 5:04 Oh, right. Here it just... "Well, well, now you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist."

Joe Rogan 5:08 Yeah. Yeah, that's what it was. That's how she said it. "Well, now you will be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist."

Narrator 5:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:16 That's basically how she said it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:18 Uh, "Did you always believe that they existed?" She says, "Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted that." And there you have it. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Where does it say about evidence?

Narrator 5:29 She's also talking to, uh, Dr. Meldrum, who you talked to here.

Joe Rogan 5:32 Yeah, we had Dr. Meldrum. What is his full name?

Narrator 5:35 Jeffrey Meldrum.

Joe Rogan 5:35 Jeffrey Meldrum. And, uh, he's a professor, right?

Narrator 5:38 Yeah, he had that... I think he brought in the-

Joe Rogan 5:40 Mm-hmm. The Bigfoot foot.

Narrator 5:41 ... the plastic thing.

Joe Rogan 5:41 And he was the guy... (laughs) Dr. Meldrum was a really nice guy, but he also said he'd be willing to cut off a finger to know that Bigfoot was real. I'm like, "Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa." Like, what finger? Like the pinky?

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:53 You would lose a pinky?

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:54 Which one would, which one would you go with? Pinky?

Joe Rogan 5:57 No, I'd keep the pinky.

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:57 No, 'cause you'd want the pinky 'cause that's the farthest leverage to the other side of the thumb, right? So it's sorta like a claw. Maybe the ring finger?

Joe Rogan 6:04 That's a good point. That's a good point.

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:05 The middle finger seems pretty pointless.

Joe Rogan 6:08 Is that her?

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:10 This is- this is the interview, but I don't know where in the interview it is.

Joe Rogan 6:12 Oh, okay.

Narrator 6:13 From my perspective-

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:13 Should I take a guess?

Narrator 6:14 ... again, uh, just considering the-

Joe Rogan 6:16 "Well, you're going to be amazed when I tell you, I'm sure they exist." It's like a scene in a movie when she says it, because here she is, this esteemed scientist, right? And you're expecting, "Well, there's no evidence and right now it's just ... We think of it as legend and could possibly be a bunch of different things that people think they saw."

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:38 Voice and delivery is important when it comes to being convinced of something.

Joe Rogan 6:42 (sighs) Oh, yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:42 You think about like, you know, all the way to just comedians.

Joe Rogan 6:46 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:46 You know, you think of Chappelle's voice, if you look at the transcript of what Chappelle's saying at times, I'm sure it's not that insane. But you listen to him say those things? Same goes with ... Who? Joey Diaz?

Joe Rogan 6:56 Oh, yeah. For sure.

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:57 You know?

Joe Rogan 6:58 And when it's coming from a- a scientist with long gray hair who lives with chimps. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:06 She must be ... I mean, I ... You think she's hooked up with a chimp? I mean, all those nights-

Joe Rogan 7:12 No.

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:12 Come on.

Joe Rogan 7:12 No chance. No chance.

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:13 She lives with all of them?

Joe Rogan 7:14 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:16 I don't know. It sounds like there's some monkey business going on over there.

Joe Rogan 7:19 How dare you? Oh, no. He did it. He couldn't help it. He set-

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:21 (laughs) I didn't even mean to.

Joe Rogan 7:22 ... he set it up.

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:22 Here it is.

Narrator 7:23 999-8255-

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:25 Sasquatch is real.

Narrator 7:27 ... Philadelphia. Hi.

7:28 How you doing? Um, I wanted to know if you believe there are any undiscovered, uh, large ape species.

Joe Rogan 7:33 Ah, here it is.

Narrator 7:33 Are you talking about yeti or Bigfoot or sasquatch?

7:35 Is that what he's asking? (laughs)

7:36 Yes. He is.

7:37 Is that-

7:38 And-

7:38 Is that the message I'm missing here?

7:39 I think that's the message you're missing.

7:41 Is that right, Sherry? Uh, pretty much. (laughs) I'm out of the loop on this. Go ahead.

7:45 Well now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm ... I- I'm sure that they exist.

7:50 You are?

7:51 Yeah. I've talked to so many native Americans who've all described the same sounds, two who've seen them. I've probably got about, oh, 30 books that have come from different parts of the world, from China, from- from all over the place.

8:05 Did you always have this belief that there ... That they, that they existed?

8:08 Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. (laughs)

8:12 All right, Sherry. Thanks for calling.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:15 She probably knows more than me. So, you know, if you can, when in doubt, go with the person who knows more than you. But I've ne- ... I've never seen any, like, real evidence other than these footprint things. I mean, everything else is just bullshit. They find hair, turns out to be bear hair. They find scat, turns out to be like wolf scat. Where'd they find the footprints at?

Joe Rogan 8:37 Oh, they find them everywhere, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:39 But (sighs) you don't know what you're looking at, you know? It could be anything. It could be someone decided to fake footprints. You know, it could be a big bear. That's l- less likely. But- but it depends on the area. Like a big grizzly bear print. Who knows? I mean, you would ... If- to- to make it look like a human foot, it would have to either be a giant human foot or be just incredible special effects. It's one of two things.

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:10 You know, some of them. When they got like ridges, they've- they've found like dermal ridges that indicate, uh ... They think it indicates like what ... Like a footprint type thing, but with the- with the feet of these things. They seem to think that that somehow or another makes it a- a very- a very difficult to fake. But (sighs) people want to believe that shit. (laughs) That's part of the problem. Part of the problem is it's fun. It's super fun to believe that someone's not fucking with you, but that some big giant monkey just walked through. But with every day, every passing minute of every day, it becomes way less likely that that's a real thing, because there's so many people with cameras.

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:52 And these people go deep into the woods.

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:55 And I think it's also like, uh, one of the cooler things to believe in, because it's not-

Joe Rogan 10:01 Oh, yeah, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:02 You know? But even if it did exist like- ... we have guns and shit. Whereas like if aliens existed, we're fucked.

Joe Rogan 10:09 We're fucked. Yeah, we're fucked. Maybe.

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:11 So we're sort of rooting for the sasquatches in the world.

Joe Rogan 10:14 Why?

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:14 Out of all the-

Joe Rogan 10:15 Look, there had to be a bunch of different kinds of human being-like creatures that existed. It just only makes sense. They're finding new ones all the time. They're like constantly finding some new subspecies of people that they weren't aware of before. It's super possible that something grew to be like that. Like why wouldn't it be? If- if we can get a chimp ... Why- why is that so weird? Like it's not any weirder than a person or a chimp. Both of those things are way weirder. Like if we found another person, we'd be like, "Holy shit. Look what it's done." Like if we could ... Well, if we poked our head into some other dimension, right? And we just stuck our head through and we saw the impact of a human civilization on the natural world, we'd be like, "What the fuck? That's way crazier than Bigfoot."

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:03 Like a human being is making tubes out of aluminum with giant wings and shooting itself into the sky and landing on different spots. It's sucking oil out of the ground and using it to build everything. It's talking online and it goes through the air and winds up on your phone. All this is done by a human. That's way crazier than Bigfoot. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:25 That's fucking crazy. Then you go to chimps. Chimps are way crazier than Bigfoot. They're hunting monkeys, man. They're fucking forming little societies together. Some of them are figuring out how to use tools.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:38 And they're right there. Like that's way crazier than Bigfoot. Bigfoot's just a shy guy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:45 Just fucking ... He just, he just wants to be alone. Just let him find a good place to shit. You can't find any Bigfoot shit, because he's always paranoid that people are watching him. So he's holding his shit in.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:57 I- I think Jane Goodall's wrong on this one.

Joe Rogan 12:00 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:00 I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't know where ... But I'm gonna go out there, off on a limb.

Joe Rogan 12:04 That is a limb. It's quite a limb, sir. Why would you think that she would think it's real? Because she wants it to be real?

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:11 Yeah. And, you know, she said that she was talking to native Americans about it and, you know, they're like, you know-... they, they go off on... They're a little bit trippy, right?

Joe Rogan 12:20 Right, they might have been paying ODing the fuck up, right?

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:23 Hallucinogens and whatnot, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:23 Who knows? You know, just, like, saying you talked to two native Americans is like saying I talked to two white people. Like, (laughs) they're just people. You know, just because they happen to be native Americans, like, they got street cred for Bigfoot?

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:35 She-

Joe Rogan 12:35 That's what she's saying.

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:36 Yeah, she's... (laughs) She's made a point-

Joe Rogan 12:38 She's, she's given Native Americans Bigfoot street cred. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:42 (laughs) They'd be closer to the Sasquatch, they named it. It's like if anybody knows about almost going extinct, it should be...

Joe Rogan 12:50 State of California sued because it won't recognize Bigfoot.

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:53 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 12:53 What is this? Is this today?

Narrator 12:55 Yeah, this was actually supposed to-

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:56 That's a lost lawsuit.

Narrator 12:57 ... come out yesterday.

Joe Rogan 12:57 Is there-

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:57 That's what that is, right, Frank?

Joe Rogan 12:58 ... is there synchronicity going on here? There's a lot of people in this country who claim to believe the (laughs) existence of Bigfoot, but one California woman believes it so strongly in the beast that she's actually filed a lawsuit to prove it. Could you imagine being the court systems all choked up with divorce and, and corruption and tax evasion, whatever the fuck else they investigate? And this crazy lady (laughs) is like, "I'm suing you."

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:23 I got, I got a team of lawyers. We're taking the whole state down. We're taking the whole state down. They won't recognize Sasquatch, we won't recognize them. And she's just going to town, getting crazy. She makes a GoFundMe. And Bigfoot people, they're like super pumped when there's some action, something's happening, they'll fucking donate to that GoFundMe, little bit here, little bit here. There's a lot of Bigfoot lovers out there. And this chick could be fighting the government.

Narrator 13:47 Here's her video.

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:48 Imagine the lawyer that takes that case. Like-

Joe Rogan 13:51 Dude, is, is this a video of her with Bigfoot?

Narrator 13:53 Yeah, she said it was 30 feet up into a tree.

Joe Rogan 13:55 Hm, it seems real. Where?

Narrator 13:58 I don't know. I mean, it's... You've seen Bigfoot? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:00 (laughs)

Narrator 14:02 A video of-

Joe Rogan 14:02 These people are abso- wonderful people that really, really, really, really, really, really, really want Bigfoot to exist.

Narrator 14:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:10 And when you really, really, really, really, really, really, really want Bigfoot to exist, you sort of figure out a way to make him exist in your mind. There's no evidence. The problem is there's nothing. There's no footprints that are like, uh, attached to hair. You know, where you could get like a little bit of hair off of it and say, "Oh, well, this is definitely a primate." There's none of that. They've, they don't have any of that. They have these mushy, you know, footprints that people have made in the mud they say, "Impossible to fake." Maybe, I don't know. I don't know if they're impossible to fake. But I do know that I haven't seen one picture that looks real. I've seen one video. Everything just smells like bullshit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:48 The pe- there's pe- the problem I always have with it is it always looks like a man in a suit. And here's the thing, the only thing that looks like a man in a suit is a man in a suit. Like, this... Even a chimp doesn't look like a man in a suit. They move different, man. Chimps kind of like throw themselves with their arms.

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:05 And kick up. They move diff- you can't move like that. You can't move like that. You could try. You're not gonna be able to move the way a chimp moves. Especially if a chimp's moving fast, just get the fuck out of here. (laughs) It's like you're not even close. You look like a guy pretending to be a chimp. You're moving like a guy. All these things move like people. They move like people. Like your brain, that little computer in your brain that recognizes shapes goes, "Oh, that's a guy in a monkey suit."

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:32 Right?

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:33 Instantly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:33 That's exactly what you think 'cause it is. That's what it is.

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:36 That one video with the, with the word- the famous one, that we know that one's, uh, that was a guy in a suit, right?

Joe Rogan 15:41 (sighs) Well, there's people that dispute it, but that's the Patterson, uh, footage. And the Patterson footage is like the most f- famous footage in all of Bigfoot lore, because this guy, who... (sighs) And I'm pretty sure the guy was a- he was arrested for something like, for not pay- (laughs) I believe it was something like not paying for the very camera that he used to film the Bigfoot footage.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:08 Wow.

Joe Rogan 16:08 He, he was arrested (laughs) for it. So the guy, okay, he's s- he's stealing cameras, right? That's not good.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:15 And then there's another guy who claims that he wore the suit. What the fuck is that guy's name? I always forget that guy's name.

Narrator 16:22 Gimlin, that guy.

Joe Rogan 16:22 Uh, Gimlin is the guy that was there, and then there was the other guy who wore the suit, who's a large fella. And there's a picture of him walking, like he w- he showed how he did it, and he walked and then you see on the other side of the screen the guy in the monkey suit doing the exact same walking.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:40 Heronimus, Bob Hero-

Narrator 16:41 They say Bob Hieronymous. They say, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:42 Bob Hieronymous. That's it. Now I remember. Bob Hieronymous, who's a big cowboy-looking dude. And they had him walk with a monkey suit on. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:49 Wow.

Joe Rogan 16:49 And everybody was like, "That's real Bigfoot footage." This guy bought a monkey suit too, by the way.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:56 The?

Joe Rogan 16:56 The, the guy who made the film. He had bought a monkey suit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:59 Wow.

Joe Rogan 17:00 And he said he was gonna use the monkey suit to like, you know, film, uh, reenactments or practice filming with it or something like that, some cockamamy reason for having a monkey suit. (laughs) It's just like the whole thing is so stupid. It's- if you look at all the pieces involved, you're like, "Oh, yeah, you guys were fucking around and, you know, y- you filmed some shit while you were on a horse so it was all bouncy. You see this thing walking across the screen." But now they can isolate that footage, 'cause it used to be all bouncy and shaky. With computers, they can isolate it and get it all into one s- flat plane-

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:31 ... and you watch it move. It's a fucking guy in a monkey suit, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:37 (laughs)

Narrator 17:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:37 100%. Right?

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:40 You've seen it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:40 Haven't you seen it?

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:42 You watch that shit and you go, "What am I looking at? What are you doing here?"

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:46 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 17:47 But people wanna believe so bad.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:49 Yeah, I've never had a chance of believing in the, uh, in the whole Bigfoot thing. It was always just silly to me. I remember... Was it John Lithgow in Harry and the Hendersons back in the day or something like that?

Joe Rogan 18:00 Yes, yes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:01 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:01 I grew up on that, and I was just always like, "Oh, that's like a fake character." It's like-

Joe Rogan 18:05 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:05 ... I think if you see Harry and the Hendersons before finding out about Bigfoot, it's like believing that Barney the dinosaur would exist out there.

Joe Rogan 18:13 The only reason to give it any credence at all is the vast expanse of wilderness that exists in the Pacific Northwest, because it's so lush. It's so crazy that no one's getting in there and figuring out exactly what's in there. Like, eve- I, I really think everyone who lives in, um, this area especially, 'cause you can get up there pretty quick-... but anybody anywhere should go to- th- th- the Pacific Northwest, like, go to the mountains right above Seattle. (slaps table) That's a crazy place, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:45 That was way crazier than looking for Bigfoot. One of the craziest parts about that trip was being in that real rainforest. The real thing was fucking bananas. It's thick, like- (stutters) like, you can't see anything.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:59 Like, every two feet, there's another tree.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:01 I mean, it's just thick with trees.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:03 Which reminds me of my- w- my favorite thing, uh, basically mystery ever, D.B. Cooper, 'cause that's where he jumped out of that plane at.

Joe Rogan 19:13 Really?

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:13 Was in the ho- most horrible place you can imagine.

Joe Rogan 19:18 Did he do that in Pacific Northwest?

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:19 Oh, yeah, super. They flew outta Seattle, heading back down again-

Joe Rogan 19:24 (exhales)

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:24 ... and he just hit that button on the rear case.

Joe Rogan 19:26 God, that's crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:27 They felt the plane shake, and then, poof, he's gone.

Joe Rogan 19:30 He's gonna land in the trees, for sure.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:32 And it seems like that, but his parachute, none of his stuff ever recovered, and then they combed that thing. They did find, like, s- a stack of money, I think, like, 10 or 20,000 of the bills sort of buried at a beach next to a creek.

Joe Rogan 19:45 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:46 But for the most part, it's one of my favorite fucking little ... I mean, the fact that that guy maybe made off with ... I think it was only- it was something low, like, 150 or s-

Narrator 19:57 Yeah, he got $200,000.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:58 Yeah.

Narrator 19:59 (laughs) And then ...

Joe Rogan 19:59 (laughs) Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:59 ... $200,000, but back then, 'cause this is in what year?

Narrator 20:02 Uh, '71.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:04 '71.

Narrator 20:05 Or something like that.

Joe Rogan 20:05 Wow.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:06 And he- and he didn't just hijack the plane. He made the plane land, get rid of the passengers, bring them parachutes, bring the money, and have it take off again. Like, this is way back before pe- you know, he just-

Joe Rogan 20:19 Wow.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:20 It was a true hijacking. They land at the airport. They're like, "I'm gonna save all the passengers' lives, but here's the catch. I need $200,000, a few parachutes," and something else, like, uh, something weird, right?

Joe Rogan 20:33 Wow.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:35 And they never found him. They never found the body. They never found his suit. They found his clip-on tie. Somehow that, like, was found somewhere, but it makes it even crazier when you factor in that they found the clip-on tie and not the parachute and not the suit and not ... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 20:50 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:50 Because then it's almost like he's just- got his 200,000 and is just walking off.

Joe Rogan 20:56 I think they said that the money was never spent, though.

Narrator 21:00 I-

Joe Rogan 21:01 Is that true?

Narrator 21:01 I'm looking up- uh, in August of last year, they found a 18-inch nylon strap, which they think might've been a piece of his parachute. Um, I don't know how they would know that right away, but- so I'm looking up, uh, some other information, updated information on it.

Joe Rogan 21:15 Keyword, Mike. (laughs)

Narrator 21:16 Yeah, no.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:18 Might've been some shit campers left behind too.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:22 Yeah. And I was just in, uh, in Australia, and I visited the grave of, uh, the, uh, Tyum Shmm- Schm- Schmidt? Schud? The- another crazy mystery one. You ever hear of that one?

Joe Rogan 21:36 No.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:36 The guy that was found at the beach in, uh, Adelaide. I actually went to the cemetery and visited his grave during the day one of the days I had off there, uh, when I was doing shows in Adelaide. And this guy was found at a beach. This is one of- another one of the great mysteries ever. Found at a beach wearing a suit. Uh, he had a half-lit- a- a cigarette that was out, like, in his collar. They found him. He'd been dead. They- they don't know the guy. There's no ID on him, no nothing, so they keep him around for a few weeks in the morgue waiting for some type of information on the guy. They- they just don't want to bury him, and eventually they cut through his clothes and they find that there is a little pocket with a piece of paper, like, on the inseam of his pants or his shirt. I can't remember. They trace the- they can tell that it's cut out of a book called the Tyum Shud or something like that. I'm not saying it right 'cause it's some old Latin word or something. And- but there's a code on it and a phone number or some- or no, there's a code on it, but they know that ... No, there's not a code on it.

Joe Rogan 22:43 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 22:43 It's just a piece of paper from a book.

Joe Rogan 22:45 Okay.

Tony Hinchcliffe 22:45 And they have the page and everything, so they go to the newspaper. They're like, "Hey, does anybody, uh, know- have this c- copy of this book so that we can find out who this guy is and why this is sewed in on him?" They don't get anything, so they go nationwide to Australia and try to figure out what this piece of paper's from. They find the book in another part of Australia with the missing part, and in that book is a phone number and a code that every code breaker ever has tried to figure out, and they just don't know. So it's the Tomb of the Unknown Man.

Joe Rogan 23:13 Whoa.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:14 Yeah. And it goes, like, deep. There's so many theories about what happened to this guy, and it could've been the CIA. He could've been an American spy. He could've been a Russian spy. He could've been an Australian spy. Like, nobody knows anything about this guy.

Joe Rogan 23:29 Whoa.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:30 And they followed up, and there's some g- there's a guy that, like, has some crazy theory, but I don't know.

Joe Rogan 23:36 There's a guy that has a crazy theory?

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:38 I mean, there's a ton of people that have-

Joe Rogan 23:39 That's for everything in the world. You know, there's people that think that the Elon Musk thing was fake, it was a hoax.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:43 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 23:44 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:44 I saw someone yesterday with that malarkey.

Narrator 23:48 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:49 DNA just-

Narrator 23:49 Somerton Man.

Joe Rogan 23:50 ... tied a mystery death in Australia to Thomas Jefferson.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:54 Whoa. When's that from?

Narrator 23:55 This is that guy.

Joe Rogan 23:56 "Unidentified man found dead on Australian beach baffled investigators for decades. A new DNA analysis links Somerton Man to Thomas Jefferson and Native Americans." So he was an ancestor of Thomas Jefferson and Native Americans?

Tony Hinchcliffe 24:09 That's interesting. I've never read that.

Joe Rogan 24:11 So they- yeah, so they essentially just did a- a DNA test on him.

Narrator 24:14 Did an-

Tony Hinchcliffe 24:14 They call him the Somerton Man because that's the beach that, uh, he was found at.

Joe Rogan 24:19 Uh, you guys, you know about this Elizabeth Warren stuff? Do you know who that w- woman is? She's a politician.

Tony Hinchcliffe 24:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:26 And she, um, apparently at one point in her life claimed to be part Native American, and now just, like, won't talk about it and won't do a DNA test, won't-She's like... D- they were like, "Do you have any pictures?" She's like, "Yes, I have many pictures and they're not for you," is what she said to-

Tony Hinchcliffe 24:45 Oh.

Joe Rogan 24:45 ... like investigators.

Tony Hinchcliffe 24:47 Man. And then you got Trump-

Joe Rogan 24:49 (sighs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 24:49 ... just calling her Pocahontas. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:50 Calling her Pocahontas. It's so brutal.

Tony Hinchcliffe 24:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:53 "She hits back at Trump's use of Pocahontas, vows to highlight Native American issues." You know, I wish I wasn't skeptical. I wish I thought she was, she was awesome and this isn't real. But what's weird is that, um, I think it, it gave you some sort of an advantage for her to be Native American in terms of like getting into certain schools or what have you. I don't know if that's true.

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:18 She might be part Native American. She might be like, "Fuck you, I don't have to tell you." That's possible too. I don't think that's the best move, but maybe she doesn't know. Maybe she... Like there's always s- (laughs) that's, that is a thing with families.

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:30 Like your family will tell you, "Yeah, your uh, your grandmother was 23% Navajo." And you're like, "Wow, I'm fucking cool."

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:36 You know? Like it gives you an extra little bit of, uh, badass. This is why Jane Goodall was willing to accept the, the... She's like, "These two Native Americans told me." Well, you could have talked to two other ones who would have said, "What? The fuck out of here with that." (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:49 You could have... I mean, people are people, man. It doesn't matter if you're a, a white person or a Native American person or whatever your ethnicity is. There's gonna be a spectrum of people in that group. And some of them are gonna just be Bigfoot believers, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:04 (laughs) This, it doesn't matter if they're Native American. It doesn't matter. There's sometimes people are bored and they want to believe in Bigfoot. So they start thinking they hear things that they don't really hear. They start thinking they're camping out. This one guy thought they were camping out outside his window, that they lived in the forest, like right outside his back door, that they come near where he is.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:21 Bigfoot?

Joe Rogan 26:21 And he sees them. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:22 They read your mind. They, um, they can, uh, sense when cameras are around. They won't show themselves.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:28 Oh, that's pretty smart.

Joe Rogan 26:29 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:29 What a great evolved habit that is.

Joe Rogan 26:32 But then like we were saying earlier, some of them truly believe that Bigfoot is like some interstellar traveler, that maybe he's, uh, from another dimension, he's a creature from another dimension.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:43 Yeah, because creatures from other dimensions are super hairy too and look just like that and that makes sense.

Joe Rogan 26:49 Maybe he's real but you can only see him when you're on mushrooms. Could you imagine that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:54 That sort of makes sense.

Joe Rogan 26:55 Imagine if you did, like there was this, a perfect dose where you could see him and get into his world and you see him, looks like Bigfoot, but he's a- all in like a rainbow.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:06 I mean, I've been on mushrooms and seen the same thing that wasn't there as somebody next to me.

Joe Rogan 27:12 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:12 I thought it was a UFO, but somebody t- one of the guys told me that it was a, it was a, like someone playing with like a laser light thing, like out in the distance.

Joe Rogan 27:20 Oh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:21 But I don't know.

Joe Rogan 27:22 It could have been. If you're on mushrooms, it could be. If you saw a laser, those laser pointers are so weird, like assholes point them at planes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:31 Like that's how ridiculous those things are. It's, um, it's kind of weird. It's very weird.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:41 When I was a kid, that was like the, the funniest thing you could do was just have a laser pointer and have a red dot appear on the wall, like during class-

Joe Rogan 27:50 Yeah, hilarious.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:50 ... where the teacher has no idea.

Joe Rogan 27:50 People were like, "Put that away."

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:53 First they didn't know about it, remember?

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:55 Teachers didn't know about it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:57 Those red dots were showing up, they didn't even know what it was.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:59 Very rebellious. Cats love those things, so that's always fun.

Joe Rogan 28:04 That became like a thing in a movie, man. Dude's got his hands up with red dots moving all over his body. It means they had the gun on him. Right? That was a exciting part of a movie, like, "Oh my God, look, they got him."

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:16 Yeah, happened to me and my buddies once. We were speeding away, we were underage at a high school drinking party.

Joe Rogan 28:21 (gasps)

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:22 Yeah, dude, it was nasty. And the party got busted up by the cops.

Joe Rogan 28:25 (gasps)

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:25 Everybody ran out the back door, like 70 kids at once. Me, my four buddies got slammed into my one pal's car. And we're driving down the street and you just hear, "Stop! Stop the fucking car!" And I look to my right, my buddy in the middle of the back seat has the red dot right on him, up and down from his head to his neck, like...

Joe Rogan 28:45 Jesus Christ. (exhales)

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:49 It was crazy. Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 28:50 Yeah, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:50 We all got in trouble for that one.

Joe Rogan 28:52 Cops never know. They never know. Could it be young Tony Hinchcliffe and his mischievous friend or could it be murderer bank robber trying to flee?

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:03 Could it be car jacker?

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:04 This cop, that cop in particular was a real, real bad person. Like I mean, he knew that they just busted up a kid's drinking party and that ev- all the kids were scattering at once. And he decided to stand in the middle of the street. And he said that like, you know... First of all, he could have easily have shot us 'cause you're standing in the middle of the street instead of having common sense-

Joe Rogan 29:26 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:26 ... like there's so many other things happening. But he, you know, he could say that that's assault with a deadly weapon if you're driving towards somebody. So he runs out in the street, pulls out his gun, almost can't wait, it seemed, for my buddy to not stop. I mean, it's just... It was one of those, one of those shady cops. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the same cop from where I'm from that saw a UFO-

Joe Rogan 29:50 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:50 ... and it was on TV when I was a kid. Yeah, there was a big thing in Liberty Township just outside of Youngstown where this one cop, uh, saw a UFO and nobody could take him seriously (laughs) after that.

Joe Rogan 30:01 Oh my God, that is hilarious. But here's the thing, by me saying all this, I, I, I'm not saying that people haven't seen UFOs 'cause I don't know what they've seen. It's totally possible that something that's capable of coming here from another dimension, especially before recently, right? Would be able to figure out how to avoid detection somehow or another. They're probably pretty close to figuring out how to do that now. I mean, they have the stealth bomber which avoids radar detection. And they... I know they have those cloaks. Uh, you've seen those jackets that people wear where it literally shows a video of what's behind you?

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:41 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 30:42 Yeah. It's, it's like this new technology that they're trying to develop where literally you, your clothes would show exactly what's behind you. So you've got a camera, some sort of camera system mounted somewhere on you, and it's taking a picture of what's behind you. It's streaming what's behind you. And so then that appears on your clothes. So as you move, you literally are everything that's behind you. There's this weird, like, Predator effect from the movie. It's very crude right now. But you look at it and you go, "Oh, this is the future." They're just gonna become ... Everything's gonna become-

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:16 The future's scary.

Joe Rogan 31:18 It's weird.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:18 You watch Black Mirror?

Joe Rogan 31:19 Yes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:20 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 31:21 Yes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:21 They make it look like everything in the future is (laughs) gonna make us crazy.

Joe Rogan 31:25 That show's so good, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:26 Wow.

Joe Rogan 31:27 It's so good.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:28 I- in terms of like a show that makes you just like after the show's over you just go, "What the fuck?" That crocodile expert, uh, um, e- episode rather-

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:37 ... crocodile, uh, I had like 15 friends text me after that going, "What in the fuck was that?"

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:45 "What the fuck?" It's so crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:49 And it's so good. And you can see it happening. You're like, "No, no fucking way."

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:54 "No fucking way." Like, "Oh my God." It's ... I don't remember a show ever that's that powerful. Like when it comes to a science fiction type show.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:04 I don't remember a ... I mean, there were some amazing shows on before but they were all really fiction shows. Right? Like this is fiction with like a dash of futuristic possibility.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:14 Like dystopian future. That fucking dog one with the robot dog.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:20 Oh yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:21 Jesus Christ. What was that called? Metalhead?

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:23 Is that what it was?

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:24 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:24 Fucking A, man. (laughs) You're like, "I could see this. This could be real." Like what, what are we doing?

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:33 The future seems scary.

Joe Rogan 32:34 You see that robot open up the door?

Narrator 32:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:37 Open up the door and hold it for his friends?

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:40 No.

Joe Rogan 32:40 Dude. Robot opened up a door. Click. Opened the latch.

Narrator 32:45 I saw.

Joe Rogan 32:46 Walk- what ... Yeah, that guy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:47 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 32:48 Dude, look at this thing. Watch this shit. Let's just first of all look at it and just imagine it with guns everywhere.

Narrator 32:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:55 Of course you could imagine that, right? Laser pointers and guns everywhere. So this thing walks up, grabs the fucking handle, turns the door.

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:07 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 33:07 Check this out. Puts its leg there to stop the door. Walks the door back. So the ... it has some kind of intelligence unless that's a programmed move.

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:18 And has there ever been an, anything that doesn't get a, like a virus or things go wrong at some point? Well, of course this is all gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 33:25 It's gonna go wrong? (sighs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:26 It's gonna go wrong.

Joe Rogan 33:27 But, eh, I wonder if that's a programmed move, like it told it the exact steps to take and it measured out all the inches and then knew the exact movements to make. Or if it can accurately c- accurately calculate distance. So they've given it in a sense some sort of electronic eyes. Right? If it can walk up to a door, grab the handle, turn it and pull it, and then hold the door open with its leg, let its friends go by, (laughs) like what is that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:58 We're fucked.

Joe Rogan 33:58 That's ... But that's ... That kind of articulation is very crazy to think that you could teach something to do that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:06 So if it ... Are you only teaching it to do doors or can it just do that with everything? That's when it gets weird. When it gets weird is if w- if it can create. If it can figure out, "Well, if it works on this, what kind of door do we have here? Oh, I see. This thing's just a slide." Is it gonna be able to figure that out? That's, that's kind of ... It's, it's discerning.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:27 It seems ... It seems like it would be able to figure it out pretty easily, especially when you factor in that everything in the future is gonna be more like technological anyway, like the doors even.

Joe Rogan 34:35 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:35 You know, like turning a knob or sliding a door-

Joe Rogan 34:38 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:39 ... is gonna be ridiculous 'cause people are just gonna be like Jedi or whatever, you know?

Joe Rogan 34:43 A lot of people have, um, fingerprint things now for stuff. Like fingerprint things for like opening doors. I've seen fingerprint things for, uh, locks at the gym. Just a fingerprint thing now. That's like a new thing.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:57 Yeah. That's why you wouldn't want to cut off your thumb out of-

Joe Rogan 35:00 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:01 ... out of all the fingers that you cut off.

Joe Rogan 35:02 Well, it's just ... It's v- it's just really interesting to me how quick all this technology is moving and how there doesn't, doesn't seem like there's any end in sight. And most of us, like you and I, like normal people, are sitting back watching this on internet videos going, "Woo. Um, what do we, what do we do? (scoffs) Like when d- when do we stop?" (laughs) Why don't we stop making robots that could kill us? Like before they're smart or after they're smart?

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:32 I don-

Joe Rogan 35:32 After they're smart they're gonna just stay alive.

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:35 And obviously as soon as we can latch guns onto them-

Joe Rogan 35:38 Oh, 100%.

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:38 ... they're, they're going in for war.

Joe Rogan 35:40 They've already done it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:41 That's what a drone is.

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:43 Think about what a dr- what a drone is. What a drone is, is someone is piloting something. Just 'cause it's flying around doesn't mean it's not a robot. All right? That's a fucking robot. (laughs) It's a robot airship and they're flying it around and they're getting these kids that are wizards in video games. Like if you want to have some fucking impossible to beat armies, you, you hook them up with some of those iRobot things from that Will Smith movie, you make them all bulletproof, and you have a bunch of kids that just play wicked video games all day, know how to fuck people up with Madden and that UFC game (laughs) -

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:17 ... and, and you fucking send those kids piloting these things in real time. You send them to parts of the world. And why ... That would be ... First of all, it would be 10 times more terrifying than drones. Right?

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:31 Some things run- running through your street.

Narrator 36:34 I just thought of something. I was gonna say the problem I've always had with this idea is like our battery life that we use on stuff is terrible.

Joe Rogan 36:41 Yeah, it's gonna eat people.

Narrator 36:42 But what batteries are they using in those drones that are flying up above now that, uh, are over overseas doing damage and, and whatnot? Are those like special batteries that we don't have access to that maybe in five years we will?

36:54 And this question-

Joe Rogan 36:55 Well-

Narrator 36:55 ... won't be so weird to us.

Joe Rogan 36:56 Is... Are you sure that that's the way those things fly?

Narrator 36:59 I, I just f- I was almost just gonna ask that. I don't know how they fly. I don't think they're gas powered though, but...

Joe Rogan 37:03 Well, let's find out. It'd be a good thing to know.

Narrator 37:05 I, we might not be able to find that out, I don't think.

Joe Rogan 37:07 Uh, they won't tell you?

Narrator 37:08 Department of Defense stuff, I'm guessing.

Joe Rogan 37:09 Y- you're scared to Google it. (laughs)

Narrator 37:10 I, I will make the-

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:11 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 37:13 That's not something you wanna be Googling. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:17 (laughing)

Narrator 37:17 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 37:19 You do not wanna Google how far can you-

Narrator 37:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:22 ... how far can you fly a drone-

Narrator 37:23 I'd rather wonder. I'd rather wonder.

Joe Rogan 37:24 ... on gasoline while it's carrying two missiles?

Narrator 37:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:28 Just wondering. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:29 That sounds like the most American thing ever.

Joe Rogan 37:31 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:31 A drone filled with gas and oil-

Joe Rogan 37:34 Just wondering.

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:34 ... with missiles. (sighs) That's what's happening. Drones.

Joe Rogan 37:42 Well, we have to worry about people more than we even have to worry about drones. Right? Th- this new shooting in Florida freaked me the fuck out again.

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:53 Yeah, it's happening-

Joe Rogan 37:55 Just-

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:55 ... all the time now.

Joe Rogan 37:56 It's horrific. And the crazy thing is, like, kids used to joke around about this guy doing that someday. That was something they joked around about.

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:06 I think that, uh, I think that the way that the news reports it and the way that it's such big news isn't helping at all. 'Cause one thing that I've noticed is the whole car ramming thing, like, that's a new thing.

Joe Rogan 38:19 Car ramming thing?

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:20 Where the... a lot of the things that are happening are people just getting in a truck or a car and just-

Joe Rogan 38:26 Oh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:26 ... running people down.

Joe Rogan 38:27 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:28 It's a fairly new thing-

Joe Rogan 38:29 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:29 ... that started with, like, I don't know, maybe that French one or something like that. I can't remember the first one.

Joe Rogan 38:34 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:34 But since then, because the report- you know, they're just... They report it and they blow these things up and then bing, bang, boom. Like, I feel like going off of the car ramming situation and the growth in car rammings alone, that we could sort of see how overly reporting these... I mean, I don't know if that's even a thing or if I'm, what I'm saying is making sense at all, but...

Joe Rogan 38:55 I know what you're trying to say, but the counter to that would be, someone had... What was the, the... Someone made a really good analogy. (sighs) The, the point being what this is, is only happening here. We have to figure out why it's happening here so often. It rarely happens anywhere else, but here it happens pretty often. So what is that? Is it access to guns? Is it mental health? Is it both of those things? Is it, um... It's just far too easy to get guns? Is it that you're not being monitored in the, in the sense of being talked about? And people don't want anybody infringing upon their rights, right? But if we just sat down and had a rational conversation with someone to renew a gun license, you know, rational conversation with someone who doesn't work for a gun group or anything, just someone-

Tony Hinchcliffe 39:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:56 ... who could just give you a reasonable reason why you should be suspicious about this person having a firearm. And you really don't want to do that either, though, 'cause you can't trust people. It's like you, you're putting people in a position of power to decide who gets the guns and who doesn't get the guns. It's all very, very fucking terrifying and c- and confusing.

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:17 It seems like the AR-15 is the one that they need to keep an eye on, because all the biggest ones are that, and it seems to be able to mow down, mow down a lot of people at once.

Joe Rogan 40:26 Yeah, semi-automatic rifles are more effective in those type of mass shooting situations. That's why those guys use them. That's why they use them in, you know, all sorts of horrific ways all, all around the world, right? That's what they're good at. The... So then the question is, are they too lethal for a regular person just to be carrying around? I... Y- you'd want to know why a regular person wants to carry them around, and then you would realize, is that really my right to even ask a regular person why they need it? I mean, if most of these people are law-abiding gun owners, when we freak out that one person who legally bought a gun, in this case, is a, a kid who legally bought it, does it, does this horrific thing. It's a very good question, and it's a question we all have to ask ourselves. Like, how many times does this happen before something happens? And is the, is the answer arming the schools? That's a fucking terrifying answer. The putting armed guards at schools. Like, I saw a story where someone had held up two signs, which it was like a, a Instagram thing, and so it was... The, the two signs were, which one of these signs would make you feel good if you were like a, a killer? And it shows no weapons, like a no weapon sign, and then it also shows a sign with an armed guard saying that the staff is, uh, armed and trained. And, you know, you're looking at the two of those and you're like, "Oh, God, dammit, I don't want either one of these fucking things."

Tony Hinchcliffe 42:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:05 I, I, I definitely don't want weapons in schools, but I don't want them to need weapons in schools. That's why I don't want it there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 42:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:16 But when they... You know, when scenes like this happen, you have to go, well, how... Is there a way? I don't know. I don't know what the way is, other than- Even if you take people's guns away, goddamn, you're, you're not gonna get all of them. There's too many of them. The number of guns that people have today, I, I think it outnumbers humans. I think the number of guns, like total in this country, outnumber humans.

Tony Hinchcliffe 42:46 Insanity.

Joe Rogan 42:48 W- even if you are for guns, when the number of things that can kill us outnumber us- (laughs) What? Are we overreacting? Are we crazy? Are we stockpiling for some fucking terrible collapse that we're all afraid of?

Tony Hinchcliffe 43:07 Is that just our thing because we're like, uh, we were like the last country or whatever, you think? Is it like-

Joe Rogan 43:13 I don't know.

Tony Hinchcliffe 43:13 ... defensive-

Joe Rogan 43:13 It's a good question. It's a good question.

Tony Hinchcliffe 43:16 Like, crazy scared country?

Joe Rogan 43:19 Well there's, you know, there's different uses for firearms. And who are you to say that, like, recreational shooters who are respectable, law-abiding people, and there's a lot of them out there that are very good people, they just love to shoot pistols at targets, they do competitions, they enjoy it, they like being proficient with a firearm for their own personal safety. And there have been cases, I think there was a case in, shit, I wanna say it was in Ohio, where some guy was stabbing somebody at a mall and some dude who was a trained shooter at one of those shooting competition things shot the guy and killed him when he was running around stabbing people at the mall. And it was one of those things where no one wanted to play that up in the media because they thought it was, like, irresponsible. It's irresponsible to play up the, the idea of the rogue vigilante with a pistol.

Tony Hinchcliffe 44:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:17 But, but that was a real guy. Like, the guy's actually, like, kind of a hero. Like, if he was in a Bruce Willis movie, he'd be fucking pumped. Like, that guy's kind of a hero.

Tony Hinchcliffe 44:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:29 Like, he, he was a, a normal citizen that happened to have a concealed carry permit, right?

Narrator 44:35 Uh, I just found another similar story, I guess, from what you're describing. In Minnesota, it was an off-duty cop that stopped somebody that was stab- stabbed 10 people.

Joe Rogan 44:42 Yeah. It was an off-duty cop-

Narrator 44:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:44 ... that was the, the stab one? So I got that wrong?

Tony Hinchcliffe 44:46 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 44:46 Was he... Who was the firearm instructor one?

Narrator 44:48 Um, I don't know this one.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Glad I got that one right then.

Narrator 44:52 There might have been another similar story too, you know? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 44:54 Might have been. But there was definitely one f- I'm sorry if I fucked that up. Um, there was definitely one where the guy was a, uh, one of those big NRA shooting competition type characters. This is a terrible, terrible trag- tragedy, and these terrible tragedies seem to keep happening and we don't do anything to change. Everybody's worried about, you know, their Second Amendment rights being taken away, you know, people worried about law-abiding people who would never do anything like this worried about their guns getting taken away. But they... And all, all of us, we have, we have to figure this out. This, this can't just keep going on this way. And whatever it is, whatever's causing it, whether it's the way people are raising people, the way people are treating people, uh, whatever fucking crazy mental imbalances that we're now treating in, in each other, whatever the fuck it is, whether it's biological... Whatever the fuck it is that, that we just can't keep, as a, as a civilization, as a, as a, a thing that should, in its best times, be able to get along great with each other. These little aberrations, they're horrific aberrations, but they exist frequently. (sighs) There's so many of us.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:08 320 something million people?

Narrator 46:12 They are. This is from 2015.

Joe Rogan 46:13 More guns than people, yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:15 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 46:15 Whoa, okay. (sighs) Oh, boy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:18 Wow.

Joe Rogan 46:18 So the- there's 317 million people in 2013 and 357 million guns. That's crazy. But then the people who are gun nuts will be like, "What do you fucking care how many guns I have, man? Okay? I'm a law-abiding citizen. I would never do anything like that. That guy did. That guy's a piece of shit. Fuck him." And they're right too.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:42 They're right too. If you're, if you haven't done anything and you would never do anything, why would you get lumped in with someone who has? If you have a truck and you would never dream into plowing into a, a mall full of people, why would you get lumped, lumped into the same group as a guy who has a truck who did do that? Why should you? It's not fair. But we still have to figure this out. It just... There's something wrong. There's something wrong when there's th- that many more things that can kill us than us.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:13 If a guy pointed a gun, uh, uh, at you from across a room, do you have something in your head plan that you would do?

Joe Rogan 47:19 No, there's nothing you can do.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:20 I would do a bunch of cartwheels and somersaults.

Joe Rogan 47:22 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:23 That's always been, like, sort of my plan. I feel like if I just do weird movements, uh, you could avoid s-

Joe Rogan 47:28 There's almost nothing you can do.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:32 You know, it's, um, ter- ter- terrifying, terrifying thing the, the ability to just end someone's life with a single movement of your hand.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:42 And we learn so early on. I remember, you know, Duck Hunt as a kid, the Nintendo like, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

Joe Rogan 47:48 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:49 Remember that? And you had the gun.

Joe Rogan 47:50 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:51 And it's like we learn so early on.

Joe Rogan 47:54 Well, it's just that people value people so poorly that they would do that. This is where we have to find, like, the root of what that is. And that sounds, this sounds very philosophical and hippie dippy, but we, we have to examine what could possibly be inside someone that would make them want to do something like that. What would that be? I don't... I mean, how the fuck does that happen? How does it... How are there, in the same timeline, we're not talking about, like, primitive Roman days or the Vikings or anything crazy, we're talking about right now. How in the same timeline does a guy like you exist alongside someone who could do that? There's something wrong. There's a d- there's-

Tony Hinchcliffe 48:39 I also think that there's something to be said about, like, awareness of depression and-

Joe Rogan 48:44 Yep.

Tony Hinchcliffe 48:44 ... psychological disorders for the older generation. I feel like in the future more people are gonna know about it and take it as a real thing. But I still think now there's probably, there's definitely a lot of stubborn parents out there that ignore it and go, "You're not depressed. Get up."

Joe Rogan 49:00 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:01 You know, and all this-

Joe Rogan 49:02 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:02 ... because it's definitely-... deep-rooted, a lack of structure in their lives-

Joe Rogan 49:08 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:08 ... you know, stuff's gone wrong and they don't have anybody to talk to or anything, you know. That's definitely a common thing.

Joe Rogan 49:15 100%. The dissatisfaction with their current state in life, their physical health. People have all sorts of undiagnosed mental issues and maybe they don't have insurance and they can't afford treatment, or maybe they just got off of it and they think they're fine. I mean, we know guys who did that, who got off of stuff that they weren't supposed to get off of and then they start getting really paranoid and crazy-

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:37 Yep.

Joe Rogan 49:37 ... and then someone has to talk them down. It's... Fuck, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:39 And one of the things with being depressed like that is, you know, and like you said, if they don't have insurance, then all of a sudden they're like, "I don't have insurance." Little do they know that it's a phone call away to get, like, you know, free whatever somehow, or help somehow. But also with the depression, makes you not want to do that. It makes you... It's, part of it is you don't want to f- sort of find help. It's hard to reach out.

Joe Rogan 50:06 Yeah. You know what I find that's int- interesting that is, uh, I think, avoidable? And then maybe we should all, like, think about this a little bit. There's something that happens whenever something takes place, um, where people, like, expect a reaction. They ex- re- re- expect a reaction from you. And there's this, uh, tendency to get upset at people that are not showing a reaction to it, like, publicly, instantan- like there's a responsibility to show a reaction. And I've been thinking about this and I was like, "Is there?" I don't know. 'Cause I, I had, uh, put something up, I think, on Twitter or Instagram and someone... About, uh, our show in Bakersfield tonight. And someone said, uh, "Hey, maybe not a great time to promote. There was a school shooting. Just saying." Or something like that. I didn't know about it, I don't think. Um, maybe I'd heard peripherally that something happened, like when I was f- fl- flipping through Google, but I didn't know the extent of it. And then I saw it and I was like, "Oh my God." Like, I mean, that is, um... It's one of the worst things people can do to people is to, like, snuff out young life-

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:28 ... for no reason.

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:31 Yeah. It's, it's, it's crazy. It's becoming so common.

Joe Rogan 51:35 It's becoming common and, um-

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:38 It's like the-

Joe Rogan 51:38 ... there has to be a way to stop it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:40 It's almost like, you know, a way... It's... I feel like people have become so desensitized that, like, it's almost like the new super suicide, you know? It's like-

Joe Rogan 51:52 People are very, very desensitized 'cause if this had happened 20 years ago, it would be a gigantic thing that would freak people out for days and days and it would be all anybody's talking about. So, in one sense, if I did hear about a school sh-... I think maybe I'd seen something about the school getting shut down or something, so I'm like, "Oh, fuck. Something happened." And then going into it later, the more I looked into it, the more I was like, "Oh, God. Like, this is just..." This is the most heartbreaking news you could ever hear, right? Someone decides to go kill kids.

Narrator 52:30 The story you're talking about was in Texas, so-

Joe Rogan 52:32 Okay. "Man who opened fire in Texas church shooter was heralded as a good Samaritan." Oh, there was that guy. There was another guy, though. It must've been the undercover cop 'cause it was the stabbing story.

Tony Hinchcliffe 52:41 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:42 I might've conflated them. I do that on occasion. (laughs) Well, we got, I got the story. Uh, in two instances, someone who wasn't supposed to be there with a gun had a gun. One of them just happened to be an undercover cop. You don't want people to be vigilantes. You don't want people to be out there fucking Charles Bronsoning it, but... Fuck, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:03 I was, I was performing at a comedy club in Dallas a couple weeks ago, and I was standing out front near the, uh, like, the host booth for a second. And they get a phone call and the guy goes, "You know what, sir? I actually don't know. Let me, uh, let me ask my boss. I've never been asked that before." And he puts the phone on hold and goes to find the owner, but, like, before he does, I go, "What's that person asking for?" Like, I was just curious, like, what he's never been asked. He goes, "He wants to know if he can bring his gun. He has a concealed carry license. I don't know the exact laws here."

Joe Rogan 53:33 Wow.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:33 I'm like, "No, don't ask the owner."

Joe Rogan 53:35 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:35 "He's not about to bring his gun. Get back to that phone call."

Joe Rogan 53:39 Jeez.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:39 "No, not my... I had two shows that night."

Joe Rogan 53:42 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:42 Like, "No concealed carry. Uh-uh."

Joe Rogan 53:46 Yeah, I got a buddy of mine who carries everywhere.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:50 Wow.

Joe Rogan 53:50 Everywhere.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:52 Man.

Joe Rogan 53:53 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:53 I hope I never accidentally make fun of him.

Joe Rogan 53:55 He's a fire- he's a firearms instructor.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:58 Oh.

Joe Rogan 53:58 Yeah, he's, he carries everywhere. He lives in Arizona. You can do whatever the fuck you want in Arizona.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:04 You think if-

Joe Rogan 54:04 Arizona thinks it's the 1800s.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:06 Do you think if I did my cartwheel somersault thing, he'd still be able to get me, though?

Joe Rogan 54:10 Uh, maybe not.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:12 Maybe not. You are a clever fella.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:14 I always picture that. And I al-

Joe Rogan 54:16 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:16 You know what else I always picture?

Joe Rogan 54:17 What?

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:17 Is in elevators, if the elevator falls and you're in free fall, would you jump?

Joe Rogan 54:22 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:23 Would you try to jump at the end to sort of-

Joe Rogan 54:24 Doesn't somehow works. Doesn't works.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:26 Yeah, 'cause you're going the speed of the elevator anyway.

Joe Rogan 54:28 You're just, you're gonna get crushed the same exact amount. You're fucked.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:32 Darn it.

Joe Rogan 54:33 Yeah, it doesn't work.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:34 I was gonna try to jump.

Joe Rogan 54:35 There's nothing you can do about that one, dude. That's a sad, fucked up way to die. Elevator accident. You know, that's one of the things, when you're in a place like Manhattan and you're on the 89th floor of a fucking building and you're like, "What is this nonsense? What is this nonsense?"

Narrator 54:55 It, I feel like it's even worse when they, like, uh, it gets stuck, but it's halfway in between floors and someone tries to climb out and then you've heard of them, like, getting decapitated or whatever-

Joe Rogan 55:03 Yeah.

Narrator 55:03 ... and, like, their head's there before it's-

Joe Rogan 55:04 They get severed in half, yeah.

Narrator 55:06 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 55:06 Dude, those people up there in that 90th floor, those people are just view monkeys.... they love it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:11 It gets me higher.

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:13 I wanna look over this whole fucking city.

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:15 Wouldn't you wanna be on the first floor?

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:17 Um...

Joe Rogan 55:17 I wanna be on the first floor. Okay?

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:19 So I can just get the fuck outta there, get outta the office, (laughs) and go home. I don't... Why would I wanna be on the 100th floor, unless I'm just, "Look, look at all that down below me-"

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:28 "... motherfucker. I'm up here at the top of the tree 'cause I'm the number one chimp, you fucks."

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:35 "Bring my helicopter. I'm flying right above these guys-"

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:38 "... with my dick out the window."

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:41 Right? That's the ultimate, is to be a dude who lives in the penthouse and gets helicoptered around Manhattan and drop down, some fucking dude covered in, like, extinct fox fur, you know, strutting his shit. That's the ultimate, to have a penthouse on the top of a giant building in New York City and have a helicopter land on your roof. You'd be Special Agent Baller, all right?

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:03 I wouldn't even get in the helicopter. I would have the helicopter... I would attach a rope to the helicopter and have the helicopter go, and I'd just fly like that-

Joe Rogan 56:11 (clears throat)

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:11 ... underneath the helicopter so that when they slowly land, I land detached.

Joe Rogan 56:14 There are, there are guys like that out there. This is what you, like... Not, obviously not wearing extinct furs, but there's guys that are that rich, that just get helicoptered around Manhattan and they ph-... Go to the Hamptons. They get helicoptered out to the Hamptons. They land in their estate, they get out to their estate, they have people waiting there in full outfit that work for them. (laughs) It's like they're in some colonial time. I mean, they're, they're living in a, like this is a total alternate universe of human beings.

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:44 Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:45 Have you seen those crazy Hamptons houses-

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:48 No.

Joe Rogan 56:48 ... like way out in... What's this?

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:50 Wait, Matt Lauer?

Joe Rogan 56:51 Yeah. "NBC pays for Matt Lauer's-"

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:53 "... helicopter rides to work."

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:54 They used to, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:54 Oh, there you go. From the Hamptons, bam. He pl-... Uh, his chopper out to the Hamptons where he has a 40-acre horse farm. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:03 Wow.

Joe Rogan 57:03 He's balling.

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:05 Oh, he's balling so hard. Balling so hard, Matt Lauer.

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:09 Wow.

Joe Rogan 57:11 Oh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:12 Took a helicopter ride to his nice office-

Joe Rogan 57:15 Yep.

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:15 ... with a button.

Joe Rogan 57:16 That's that thing, man. And it's, it's not just guys like him. It's, you know, rich, uh, hedge fund guys and, um, Wall Street guys. I mean, there's the, these... There's people that just have ungodly sum- sums of money, like you can't wrap your head around it. You're never gonna understand it. They have $100 million estates. 100 million. You're looking at $100 million estate. You're like, "What? What the fuck is this?"

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:42 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 57:44 Yeah. That's a weird thing about capitalism, that someone can get that far out of, out of whack.

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:50 They can ball that hard, (laughs) above all. Like what, what kind of... What did you do?

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:55 And those are some-

Joe Rogan 57:56 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:56 ... of my favorite, uh, some of my favorite crazy stories is like, The Jinx, the Robert Durst one, where he came from, you know, the family that owns just, Manhattan's-

Joe Rogan 58:08 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:08 ... skyscrapers and boom.

Joe Rogan 58:10 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:10 He's crazy. The DuPont guy with the wrestling team.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:15 That's another wild one.

Joe Rogan 58:17 That's a, that's one of the wildest ones.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:19 Yeah. That was a terrifying one. Steve Carell can act his fucking ass off-

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:23 ... can't he?

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:23 Hell yeah. Yeah, he's great.

Joe Rogan 58:27 It's another thing where someone used a gun to kill someone that they were threatened by in some sort of a masculine way, 'cause Dave Schultz was like this super badass wrestler.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Just top of the f-... Him and his brother Mark, top of the food chain wrestlers.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:44 I-

Joe Rogan 58:44 Terri- it's a terrible story.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:45 I almost went to the... I think, I'm pretty sure I almost went to the Matt Schultz... Is it Mark Schultz? Mark Schultz wrestling camp back when I was in high school. I went to the Ohio State one instead.

Joe Rogan 58:57 He fought Gatt- uh, Big Daddy G- uh, Big Daddy Goodrich, uh, in, uh, the UFC way back in the day. It was his one and only, uh, MMA fight in the UFC. And it's really interesting because in the movie that they did with Steve Carell, like that's a historical moment. See, they don't understand MMA, so when they made that movie, the cage fighting part was like, "Yeah, whatever, we'll just fucking fudge this." Like, how do I... Why would I believe that anything in that movie is what really happened when the thing that I know for sure really happened, you fucked up?

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:37 The thing that I know for sure really happened is this guy, Big Daddy Goodrich-

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:44 Wow.

Joe Rogan 59:45 ... fought Schultz when Schultz was a top of the food chain wrestler, man, and he just took him down at will. He, he handled him at will.

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:54 He took Schultz down?

Joe Rogan 59:55 No, no. Oh, no, no.

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:56 Schultz, right?

Joe Rogan 59:57 No, no, no, no, no, no. There'll be none of that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:59 There'll be none of that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Mark Schultz was a gorilla.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 I mean, just like I said, top of the food chain American wrestler. He's a fucking tank.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 And so, this is him fighting Gary Goodrich with like, very little striking, very little striking training. He's just looking for this. He's just... And once he gets this, oh fuck, all that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:20 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 Boom.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Takes him to the ground like he's a sack of potatoes, beats the shit out of him, mounts him, does whatever wants to him when he has him on the ground, uh, whatever he wants to him. It's a level of grappling that the UFC up until then had never seen. You know, it's like if a guy like Daniel Cormier entered into the octagon back there, same kind of thing. Just takes... Everybody's going down. Shut the fuck up. There's not gonna be any stuff in these takedowns.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:44 There's a guy named Jordan Burroughs out there-

Narrator 1:00:46 I think they stopped that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 What's that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:47 Why'd they just stop that right there?

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 'Cause it, well, it was different times, man. It was, uh, back then-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:53 See that cut.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 ... yeah, they would... D- they didn't know what the fuck they were doing half the time. Like, look, Mark's got no gloves on and Gary's got no gloves on, but back in the day, you could wear gloves if you wanted to. And I think he has shoes on. Yep, he's got wrestling shoes on. And look at this, boom. I mean, every time he wants to, he could take him down. This is s-... And he's mounted him.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:11 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 This is just a level of grappling that you just don't understand.You're not getting them off you. Stop.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:17 (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 Just stop. This is nonsense. You don't even understand. This is like a- uh, I mean, and Big Daddy Goodrich, I should just say, is a incredibly strong guy and an awesome athlete. What's happening here? Did he tap?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:30 That's a-

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 Did that ... What happened?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:30 That's Big John.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Oh, did he key lock him? Is that what he's-

Narrator 1:01:34 ... everywhere. Gary really needs those dark glasses now.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 That's interesting. I, why did I f- in my head I had that he beat him up and won a decision. What ha- how did, how did that result?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:44 Let's see what that was again.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Did he submit him? No, I can't believe I-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:49 He went for his arm but-

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 ... can't remember this wrong. Well, either way, I, I just remember just watching-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Yeah, it looks like he got him in a key lock.

Narrator 1:01:56 And the bell has just gone. Finally, there's just too much blood, even for the ref.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Oh, no. Okay, it wasn't that. They just stopped it.

Narrator 1:02:03 And the ref is muffled up against future cards being made.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Huh. Okay. So it was a stoppage. Either way.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:10 There's a guy named Jordan Burroughs who when he wrestles, he has the, the greatest double leg take down ever. Just shoots low, drives in, his opponents know he's gonna do it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Phew.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:20 He's won multiple golds. I, I mean, he's just a monster.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 There's-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:25 And I would love, love, love to see him learn how to strike a little bit or learn some jujitsu and figure out UFC because in, like, almost the history of wrestling, this guy is a freak. Shoots low, there's nothing you can do.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Here he is. Woo!

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:41 There's just nothing. He just dominates people.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 Yeah, it's serious drive, man. Boom, boom.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:46 Yeah. Over and over again. Just destroys people.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Look at that drive, man. Goddamn, he's good.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:54 He wrestled in, like, uh, Times Square. Did you see that?

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:57 Yeah, that was cool, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 He wrestled in Times Square?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:59 Was that last year maybe, like, uh, in the winter?

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 Oh, really?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Oh, wow.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:03 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 Damn, this wrestling's-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:04 Where is that guy going?

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 ... insane.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:05 Nowhere.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Well, you know, this is what we're seeing with Khabib Nurmagomedov, when you see, like, this super high level striking or excu- excuse me, super high level grappling.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 It, it shuts down even, like, really good grapplers. Is this him in Times Square?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Wow. This is awesome. Who was he wrestling against?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:22 Some guy that thought he was about to get points right there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 (laughs) That's crazy. Who was he wrestling against? Does it say?

Narrator 1:03:30 Can you afford that kind of money?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:31 I don't see why not. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 Oh, it's got some rap music on it that'll get us kicked off YouTube.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:35 But this is all, these are, like, world championships and stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 Crazy, crazy, man. Serious power. And technique. I just, I think that's the most important skill in MMA. Uh, I've always thought it and I still do because I think these guys can learn defense for grappling, defense for jujitsu, and they can learn submissions, which is probably even more important, way quicker than a regular person. They're so used to squeezing shit already.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 They're used to, they're constantly used to squeezing things and gripping and pulling. And unlike jujitsu with the gi, which relies a lot of it on grips and, like, there's an entanglement factor that you have to really take into con- and they can really slow the game down that way. You can't do that with wrestling.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:19 Another thing with wrestling is hip movement.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:21 And hip control-

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:23 ... and spinning around a guy re- from hitting a easy reversal just from popping down and back up and-

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Yeah. Yeah, if you don't wrestle, you're not taking a wrestler down.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:31 Yeah. And it's crazy sometimes watching, you know, high level fights and, you know, sometimes I don't have, obviously when we're- you're at a live fight, I don't have the audio.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:41 So it's like sometimes I'm seeing what's just a little thing that's wrong. You know, like, uh, for example, like, in Diaz/McGregor two, I remember a part where Diaz was trying to take McGregor down, but his hips were above McGregor's, who had dropped his just lower.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:57 Whereas if Diaz pops down and back up, he's got him. But, you know, all this stuff's happening-

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:02 ... at once and you, sometimes you can see it with wrestling. And it's just the difference in a little thing, that sometimes the energy and the emotions of the fight, it's about, you know, just being like, "Oh, yeah. Drop down, up." And, like, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, it's very, very technique oriented. And that's, like, the people that have never done any kind of grappling don't understand when you're watching, like, someone drive in. When you see a beautiful, like ... If you go back to, like, who's got one of the, like, the best power doubles? Probably f- maybe Frankie Edgar's got one of my favorite power doubles ever. He takes a lot of motherfuckers down that are really tough to take down. But if you watch, like, as he enters into it, there's such a flow to it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 You know? It's an aggressive, attacking. Like Georges St-Pierre, when Georges is in his prime, ooh, dude, everybody's scared of that take down, man. That power double is coming.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 Josh Koscheck, when early on in the sport, oof. Josh Koscheck had ridiculous power in his, in his take downs, just ridiculous. He would just drive through you.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:02 It's so technical. There's, you know, it's the one- that's the whole thing in wrestling is strength and quickness-

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:08 ... and all this stuff is so secondary to some dude that'll own you doing your own thing. He'll like-

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:14 ... wrestle jujitsu. He'll just let you think that you're about to do something-

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:18 ... while he's moves ahead.

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 I think everybody should know that Yoel Romero is a real human being, like that that's possible.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 Like, everyone should know, like when it comes to, like, what's, what's important about wrestling? Yoel Romero is a real thing. Like, that's what happens. This is what you have when you have, like, the elite, as elite a wrestler as you can get in a super athlete body.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:40 Good luck.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 Good luck. He decides whether you're going down. You, I mean, if you take him down, it's luck. I mean, he might have been half-assed in the take down defense 'cause he knows as soon as he gets down, he'll just fucking flip you over and stand back up again. It's just not the same kind of thing. It's like he's just way more athletic than you.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 Way stronger than you.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:01 They need to get Ngannou to work out with him.

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 Dude. Well, Ngannou's way too heavy. Unfortunately, you're dealing with 85 versus heavyweight. But at 85-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:10 No, I mean, like, train-

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 To train with him?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 Yeah, but still it's a big guy to train with. He's so good, dude. Is this his highlight reel?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 Dude, he's-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:19 27 things.

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 ... he's so good.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:20 Oof.

Joe Rogan 1:07:21 ... he, he's knocked out, with stunning accuracy, Luke Rockhold, um, Chris Weidman. Look at that. Boom, dude.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:31 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 Tim Kennedy. I mean, he's a fucking monster, although the Kennedy fight was marred by controversy. You can never ignore that. Um, he did not come out for the ... Oh, look at that left hand. He did not come out for the, for the end of the round, and he was still sitting on his stool and, uh, they'd wasted all this time trying to l- give him more chances to recover.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:53 You have to be afraid of any guy whose shoulders stick up like that.

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 Dude, he's, he's terrifying.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:00 It's like a king cobra, how it like warns you with its wings.

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 He's stopping this dude with body strikes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:08:07 I mean, that is crazy. Who the fuck stops someone with driving elbows to the body? Who the fuck stops somebody with that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:14 Oh. Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:08:15 Yeah, dude. I mean, that was meat. He made meat outta that. Go back to that. Let me look at that again. That's crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:26 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 Yeah, just look it right there, right there, right there. It'll show it. Look, he's got blood all over his elbow. That's just ... That is a crazy-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:34 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 His whole face is a mess.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:37 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:08:37 But that's a, a crazy amount of force this guy can generate. And that wrestling is just another level, man. Like that kind of shit?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 He could do that to anybody.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:47 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:08:48 Like he, he fought Brad Tavares, right there, and Brad Tavares is a stud, and it was like they were nowhere near the same weight class, like the way he can handle him. He's just so fucking powerful. And this just k- just shows you what a fucking stud Tim Kennedy is. Tim Kennedy almost had him. The reason why he didn't come out for, I believe it was the third round when he came out late, was because by the end of the second, Tim had him in deep, deep trouble. Tim had, uh, caught him with a couple of big punches and staggered him, and so when he went back to his corner... Look at that fucking shot that he lands when he knocks him down, then another one. He just smashed him at the end. The craziest thing about Tim Kennedy is he, he does all this and for a big-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:35 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:09:35 ... chunk of his career, he was, uh, active military and still fighting like that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:42 Yeah, Yoel Romero is-

Joe Rogan 1:09:44 Yeah, and here's him just smashing-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:46 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 1:09:46 ... Lyoto Machida. He's terrifying. So he's gonna get it the next shot at the middleweight title after he just knocked out Luke Rockhold.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:53 I can't believe Whitaker knocked him-

Joe Rogan 1:09:55 (laughs) That's the crazy thing is he's knocked him out. Like this is the crazy thing. You're, you're talking about a guy who's like one of the best wrestlers to ever fight in MMA and he's knocking people out standing, leaping in and cracking you with punches, hitting you with flying knees, knocking out world champions. I mean, KO'd Chris Weidman with a flying knee. He's a, he's just, he's on another level, like a real fucking monster athlete. Like it's a s- it's a pleasure to get to watch someone who has such fantastic technique and physical attributes all combined. Like his wrestling technique is just ridiculously good. His timing's ridiculously good, his explosions. It's like to watch that ... I mean, for me, a guy who's been around the sport for a long time, when a guy comes out and then just stands out that hard, you go, "Whoa. Like this guy is a real outlier, physically." But-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:48 He's gonna make such a good pro wrestler in a few years.

Joe Rogan 1:10:51 Oh, if he does decide to do that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:53 Fuck yeah, he would make an amazing one.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:55 Are you excited-

Joe Rogan 1:10:55 Yeah, like as he gets older? Yeah. Look at it. Are they stretching him out here?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 Yeah, he's super fucking flexible.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:01 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:11:01 Dude.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:01 Freak.

Joe Rogan 1:11:02 He's ... I mean, he's a product of the Cuban wrestling system. And if you, uh, listen to my podcast with Matt Brown, uh, I'm gonna plug that one more time 'cause I, I enjoyed the shit out of it. It was, uh, one of the MMA shows I did last week with Matt Brown, and he and I were talking about it. And, uh, he's, um, (clicks tongue) like, uh, he spent an entire six weeks, I believe, in Cuba at one of his, uh, his training camps. And the, the way these people live and train, like, they are, they are all in, man. They're all in. And there's just a tremendous amount of talent over there, both in boxing and in judo, as well as wrestling. Taekwondo, they have a big taekwondo team. Like Cuba doesn't fuck around athletically, man. But it's just ... To see a guy like that and you go, "Wow." Like, that's a ... And he's 40. Like what would that guy have been like when he was 30?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:56 Good Lord. He's 40?

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 He's 40. Yeah, what would he-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:59 Phew.

Joe Rogan 1:11:59 ... have been better? Would he have been faster?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:01 Man.

Joe Rogan 1:12:01 Now on top of all that, Robert Whitaker still beat him with a blown out knee.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:06 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:12:07 That's amazing.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:08 Whitaker is a monster.

Joe Rogan 1:12:10 It shows y- It shows you how amazing he is.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:11 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:11 He still managed to stuff take downs with a com- completely blown out knee.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:15 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:12:16 Yeah. Whitaker is no fucking joke. He's a scary guy. And he's getting better. I think Whitaker's only like 27, right? How old is Robert Whitaker?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:25 That sounds about right.

Joe Rogan 1:12:27 He's one of the younger guys that's a world champion currently, I believe.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:31 Yeah, 27.

Joe Rogan 1:12:32 27? Yeah. So he's still growing and learning, man. That guy at (sighs) at 30. I mean, he's a m- world champion right now. At 30? He's gonna be better than he is right now. He's just gonna keep getting better.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:43 Another thing is Yoel didn't show any of the, uh, signs of pain from the shin injury that he had.

Joe Rogan 1:12:51 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:51 That's a big part of it too, you know, is not letting your opponent know what's hurting you, because I'm sure if Rockhold knew that he hurt his shin more than he hurt his, then-

Joe Rogan 1:13:00 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:01 ... he would, would have kept picking away at it, but he didn't let him though, so it just seemed like he wasn't affecting him with his leg kicks. Meanwhile, Yoel's like, "Ow." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13:12 (laughs) What is he like?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:14 "Ow."

Joe Rogan 1:13:15 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:16 Painful.

Joe Rogan 1:13:17 Well, he's a super winner.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13:18 He's what you would call a super winner, you know? I mean, that's really what he is.... if you get these Olympic level athletes-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:28 ... that have just been competing their whole lives, they just know how to win. And when he learned how to strike, everybody just ... you're, you're fucked. You got this guy? There's only been a few guys that can survive it, that have been able to survive it, you know. But the most impressive one, um, I mean, shit, there's a, just ... This is a, a real wealth of talent right now.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:54 I was just gonna say-

Joe Rogan 1:13:55 You know?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:55 ... it's a very exciting time to be a UFC fan.

Joe Rogan 1:13:58 It really is, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:58 It's unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 1:13:59 'Cause like Robert Whittaker was the first guy to b- ... Is he the first guy to beat Yoel in the UFC? I wanna say he is. And I wanna say that Yoel lost like one of his really early MMA fights to Fajão in Strikeforce. Is that true? Rafael Cavalcante, yeah. It's Strikeforce, Barnett versus, uh, Kharitonov, Sergei Kharitonov. So that was like way back in the ... 2011. So yeah-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:35 Look it up.

Joe Rogan 1:14:35 ... that was one of his first fights. He lost that fight and then he lost to Whittaker. So he hadn't lost since that, uh, the Fajão fight.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:43 Almost all knockouts.

Joe Rogan 1:14:44 Yeah, and the only one that has an asterisk right next to it is the Tim Kennedy fight, 'cause there was def- definitely some fuckery there, definitely some, some cheating. (laughs) He definitely stayed on that stool an extra few seconds. How long did they wind up staying on the stool for extra? I wanna guess it was an extra 15 seconds. I think that might be, uh ...

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:07 What did he do? He just chilled for a bit?

Joe Rogan 1:15:09 Might have been less than 15. Uh, he just ... He didn't get up. He sat there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:13 Yoel did.

Joe Rogan 1:15:14 Yeah, there was round ... He was in there, the, the corner was leaving, he's still sitting on the stool.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:18 They didn't even-

Narrator 1:15:18 For approximately 30 seconds.

Joe Rogan 1:15:20 30 seconds.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:20 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:15:20 That's a long time.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:21 That's a long time.

Joe Rogan 1:15:22 That's a long time. I was thinking it was 15. And I was thinking I might have, I might have been wrong, it might have been 10.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:29 They didn't even try a trick like the old spill the ice? That classic, which I love so much.

Joe Rogan 1:15:33 (sighs) Dude, 30 seconds is a long time for a guy to recover. You could ... He could have easily been KO'd. He could have ... I mean, who knows? 'Cause he's such a super athlete, he might have been able to rebound. But he might not have too.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:45 You ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:46 We'll, we'll never know.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:47 If you're taking 30 seconds, you're taking it 'cause 20 seconds wasn't enough.

Joe Rogan 1:15:51 Yeah. Well, it's ... Yeah. Well, it would be a minute at that point. It was a minute and then, you know, a 30-second break on top of that. So it was a minute 30 for ... from the time Tim was beating on him till the time the round ends, he goes back to his corner clearly fucked up, and then he sits on the stool for a long time. It's a, it's 100% of an ... an asterict, asterisk. Do you ever say that word right?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:16 Asterisk.

Joe Rogan 1:16:17 Asterisk?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:17 Asterisk.

Joe Rogan 1:16:17 Yeah, it always sounds wrong. It's like when George Bush used to say especially, and he would say expecially.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16:23 (laughs) Like, hey, dude.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:24 Did this is about the Vaseline? Does that have anything to do with it?

Joe Rogan 1:16:27 Uh-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:27 Like, there was so much Vaseline on him and they tried to get the trainer in and he couldn't understand what they were saying.

Joe Rogan 1:16:31 Was that what it was too?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:32 That's what this says here.

Joe Rogan 1:16:34 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:34 It's a Dana McPherson effort.

Joe Rogan 1:16:34 Yeah, but he was sitting there. He was sitting there, and they didn't ... And Tim Kennedy is standing there. The, the round's over and he's got his arms up in the air-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:40 And he's going ... See if you can play that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:41 Uh, no.

Joe Rogan 1:16:41 Can you play that? Or they'll get us kicked off.

Narrator 1:16:43 I might have to find it.

Joe Rogan 1:16:45 Okay, don't worry about it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:46 You don't have to find it. Um, but that's the only one next to his name where you go like, "Oh, oof." You know, that one, that one ain't good.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:56 You can't take a 30-second break.

Joe Rogan 1:16:58 (smacks lips) Yeah, that's not good. But ... And he wound up winning that fight, which is, man, that's a ... That ... There's a major violation there. That's a, a, a giant ... Like, not being ready for the start of the next round if you or if the round starts ... Like, you don't want ... The referee doesn't wanna stop the fight. He doesn't wanna give it to your opponent because you can't start the round on time. But he's in a