Joe Rogan Experience #1079 - Tony Hinchcliffe

1. 0:07 – 1:53

   “Believe dat” shirt sparks UFO talk and why aliens are the #1 mystery

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Boom, and we're live. Jamie, where'd you get that awesome shirt? Show everybody your shirt.

   2. NANarrator0:11

      I picked it up yesterday.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Can you show the people your shirt?

   4. NANarrator0:12

      Yeah. I picked it up yesterday. It says "Believe... Believe dat." (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      (laughs) "Believe dat."

   6. NANarrator0:16

      It's from The Hundreds. I saw it at the store yesterday.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      What is The Hundreds?

   8. NANarrator0:20

      The Hundreds is a street wear brand. It's a store in Fairfax.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Oh, I thought it was, like, a scene in a movie.

   10. NANarrator0:24

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       I was confused. Oh, so-

   12. NANarrator0:26

       Yeah. I just saw it and I was like, "Ah, dope." Getting it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Yeah, I mean, that's a combination of that girl who was on Dr. Phil's show and UFOs.

   14. NANarrator0:34

       Sorta, yeah. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Yeah.

   16. NANarrator0:35

       Take-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       "Believe dat."

   18. NANarrator0:38

       Yeah. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       'Cause, like, believe... Believe is so X-Files, d- year two... 1999 or whatever it was. Like, when was The X-Files on?

   20. NANarrator0:48

       It's on now.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       But when... Yeah, right.

   22. NANarrator0:50

       Oh, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       But when was the original one?

   24. NANarrator0:51

       Yeah, uh...

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Like, when did it start?

   26. NANarrator0:52

       90s. Late 90s, mid-90s. Yeah, I feel like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah. Believe is that. That's that poster, and it's... I always just... You can't disconnect them from the po- the poster in Mulder's office. But "Believe dat?" That's today. You nailed it.

   28. NANarrator1:07

       Even...

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Whoever made that shirt. (laughs)

   30. NANarrator1:09

       I wanna believe.
2. 1:53 – 6:08

   Jane Goodall says Bigfoot exists: credibility, primatology, and giant chimps

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe1:53

      (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:53

      'Cause some of these Bigfoot people are so... There's spectrums of Bigfoot people, man. There's Bigfoot people. There's people that are, like, real primatologists, like Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall believes in Bigfoot, believe it or not. It's really fascinating. There's a whole, uh, interview with her where she says she's sure of it. She said she's sure that there's another species. Th-

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe2:15

      How c- how can she be sure?

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:17

      Well, let's play the clip. See if we can find that clip. Um...

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe2:20

      Who's Jane Goodall again?

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      She's a world-famous primatologist who did some groundbreaking work with chimpanzees. She essentially lived with chimpanzees. She's so powerful. I mean-

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe2:30

      Wow.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:30

      ... this lady's amazing if you... You watch her documentaries. So when someone like her says something like that, I'm like, "Okay. Well, I should shut the fuck up and stay in my lane." What? Am I gonna argue with Jane Goodall about primates? And it used to be a real thing. There used to really be a Gigantopithecus, an eight-foot-tall orangutan-like thing that probably walked on two legs. (smacks lips)

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe2:53

      And so-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       And she believes it's real.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe2:55

       ... she thinks it did exist or she thinks there might-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       She thinks it exists right now.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe2:58

       Wow.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       Yeah.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe3:00

       Wow.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       I don't think it was taken out of context, 'cause, uh, I'm pretty sure it was, um... Someone asked her a question and then she gave a, a long and detailed answer. Based on, like, what we know about certain chimpanzee subspecies that are really, really hard to find. Like, we're, we're just finding out... I think they figured it out from, like, the 1990s. There's a giant version of chimpanzees that lives in the Congo. It's a... They're, they're calling 'em, uh, Bondo apes or, uh... There's a couple different names for 'em, they call 'em. But they sleep on the ground like gorillas. They're giant chimps.

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe3:34

       I love that stuff, man.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       (laughs) These are apes. They're huge.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe3:35

       I just watched Planet Earth 2 the other day, just mesmerized, just physically saying, like, "Wow. Wow."

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       I don't think a normal person understands what you're talking about when you say a six-foot-tall chimp.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe3:48

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       I just don't think they know what you're talking about. You're talking about, like, a super gorilla. It's, like, not... It's, it's way scarier than a gorilla because they're, they're chimps. Chimps are scarier. Chimps are predators.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe4:00

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       Chimps eat monkeys, man. I mean, they, they... People wanna associate chimps with bananas and nuts and stuff like that, and they eat that stuff too, but they also eat monkeys.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe4:11

       Scary.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       Dude. They're r- they're ruthless motherfuckers. What is this, buddy?

   27. NANarrator4:15

       This is from a NPR Conversation in 2002.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       Yeah, see if you can find the actual recording, 'cause it's fascinating when you hear the tone of her voice.

   29. NANarrator4:22

       Okay.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       She says something like, "I'm sure of it."
3. 6:08 – 8:15

   Playing the Goodall audio: belief, ‘romantic’ thinking, and Bigfoot ‘street cred’

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:08

      Is that her?

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe6:10

      This is- this is the interview, but I don't know where in the interview it is.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:12

      Oh, okay.

   4. NANarrator6:13

      From my perspective-

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe6:13

      Should I take a guess?

   6. NANarrator6:14

      ... again, uh, just considering the-

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:16

      "Well, you're going to be amazed when I tell you, I'm sure they exist." It's like a scene in a movie when she says it, because here she is, this esteemed scientist, right? And you're expecting, "Well, there's no evidence and right now it's just ... We think of it as legend and could possibly be a bunch of different things that people think they saw."

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe6:38

      Voice and delivery is important when it comes to being convinced of something.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:42

      (sighs) Oh, yeah.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe6:42

       You think about like, you know, all the way to just comedians.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       Right.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe6:46

       You know, you think of Chappelle's voice, if you look at the transcript of what Chappelle's saying at times, I'm sure it's not that insane. But you listen to him say those things? Same goes with ... Who? Joey Diaz?

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:56

       Oh, yeah. For sure.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe6:57

       You know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:58

       And when it's coming from a- a scientist with long gray hair who lives with chimps. (laughs)

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe7:06

       She must be ... I mean, I ... You think she's hooked up with a chimp? I mean, all those nights-

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       No.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe7:12

       Come on.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       No chance. No chance.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe7:13

       She lives with all of them?

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:14

       Yeah.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe7:16

       I don't know. It sounds like there's some monkey business going on over there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       How dare you? Oh, no. He did it. He couldn't help it. He set-

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe7:21

       (laughs) I didn't even mean to.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       ... he set it up.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe7:22

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       Here it is.

   28. NANarrator7:23

       999-8255-

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe7:25

       Sasquatch is real.

   30. NANarrator7:27

       ... Philadelphia. Hi.
4. 8:15 – 18:13

   Evidence problems: footprints, ‘man in a suit’ videos, and the Patterson-Gimlin controversy

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe8:15

      She probably knows more than me. So, you know, if you can, when in doubt, go with the person who knows more than you. But I've ne- ... I've never seen any, like, real evidence other than these footprint things. I mean, everything else is just bullshit. They find hair, turns out to be bear hair. They find scat, turns out to be like wolf scat. Where'd they find the footprints at?

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:37

      Oh, they find them everywhere, man.

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe8:39

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:39

      But (sighs) you don't know what you're looking at, you know? It could be anything. It could be someone decided to fake footprints. You know, it could be a big bear. That's l- less likely. But- but it depends on the area. Like a big grizzly bear print. Who knows? I mean, you would ... If- to- to make it look like a human foot, it would have to either be a giant human foot or be just incredible special effects. It's one of two things.

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe9:10

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:10

      You know, some of them. When they got like ridges, they've- they've found like dermal ridges that indicate, uh ... They think it indicates like what ... Like a footprint type thing, but with the- with the feet of these things. They seem to think that that somehow or another makes it a- a very- a very difficult to fake. But (sighs) people want to believe that shit. (laughs) That's part of the problem. Part of the problem is it's fun. It's super fun to believe that someone's not fucking with you, but that some big giant monkey just walked through. But with every day, every passing minute of every day, it becomes way less likely that that's a real thing, because there's so many people with cameras.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe9:52

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:52

      And these people go deep into the woods.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe9:55

      And I think it's also like, uh, one of the cooler things to believe in, because it's not-

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       Oh, yeah, man.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe10:02

       You know? But even if it did exist like- ... we have guns and shit. Whereas like if aliens existed, we're fucked.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       We're fucked. Yeah, we're fucked. Maybe.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe10:11

       So we're sort of rooting for the sasquatches in the world.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       Why?

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe10:14

       Out of all the-

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       Look, there had to be a bunch of different kinds of human being-like creatures that existed. It just only makes sense. They're finding new ones all the time. They're like constantly finding some new subspecies of people that they weren't aware of before. It's super possible that something grew to be like that. Like why wouldn't it be? If- if we can get a chimp ... Why- why is that so weird? Like it's not any weirder than a person or a chimp. Both of those things are way weirder. Like if we found another person, we'd be like, "Holy shit. Look what it's done." Like if we could ... Well, if we poked our head into some other dimension, right? And we just stuck our head through and we saw the impact of a human civilization on the natural world, we'd be like, "What the fuck? That's way crazier than Bigfoot."

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe11:03

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:03

       Like a human being is making tubes out of aluminum with giant wings and shooting itself into the sky and landing on different spots. It's sucking oil out of the ground and using it to build everything. It's talking online and it goes through the air and winds up on your phone. All this is done by a human. That's way crazier than Bigfoot. (laughs)

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe11:25

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:25

       That's fucking crazy. Then you go to chimps. Chimps are way crazier than Bigfoot. They're hunting monkeys, man. They're fucking forming little societies together. Some of them are figuring out how to use tools.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe11:37

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       And they're right there. Like that's way crazier than Bigfoot. Bigfoot's just a shy guy.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe11:44

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       Just fucking ... He just, he just wants to be alone. Just let him find a good place to shit. You can't find any Bigfoot shit, because he's always paranoid that people are watching him. So he's holding his shit in.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe11:57

       I- I think Jane Goodall's wrong on this one.

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:00

       (laughs)

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe12:00

       I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't know where ... But I'm gonna go out there, off on a limb.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:04

       That is a limb. It's quite a limb, sir. Why would you think that she would think it's real? Because she wants it to be real?

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe12:11

       Yeah. And, you know, she said that she was talking to native Americans about it and, you know, they're like, you know-... they, they go off on... They're a little bit trippy, right?

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:20

       Right, they might have been paying ODing the fuck up, right?
5. 18:13 – 21:22

   Pacific Northwest wilderness to D.B. Cooper: mysteries that survive the search

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:13

      The only reason to give it any credence at all is the vast expanse of wilderness that exists in the Pacific Northwest, because it's so lush. It's so crazy that no one's getting in there and figuring out exactly what's in there. Like, eve- I, I really think everyone who lives in, um, this area especially, 'cause you can get up there pretty quick-... but anybody anywhere should go to- th- th- the Pacific Northwest, like, go to the mountains right above Seattle. (slaps table) That's a crazy place, man.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe18:45

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:45

      That was way crazier than looking for Bigfoot. One of the craziest parts about that trip was being in that real rainforest. The real thing was fucking bananas. It's thick, like- (stutters) like, you can't see anything.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe18:58

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:59

      Like, every two feet, there's another tree.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe19:01

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:01

      I mean, it's just thick with trees.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe19:03

      Which reminds me of my- w- my favorite thing, uh, basically mystery ever, D.B. Cooper, 'cause that's where he jumped out of that plane at.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:13

      Really?

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe19:13

       Was in the ho- most horrible place you can imagine.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:18

       Did he do that in Pacific Northwest?

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe19:19

       Oh, yeah, super. They flew outta Seattle, heading back down again-

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       (exhales)

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe19:24

       ... and he just hit that button on the rear case.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:26

       God, that's crazy.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe19:27

       They felt the plane shake, and then, poof, he's gone.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:30

       He's gonna land in the trees, for sure.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe19:32

       And it seems like that, but his parachute, none of his stuff ever recovered, and then they combed that thing. They did find, like, s- a stack of money, I think, like, 10 or 20,000 of the bills sort of buried at a beach next to a creek.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:45

       Yeah.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe19:46

       But for the most part, it's one of my favorite fucking little ... I mean, the fact that that guy maybe made off with ... I think it was only- it was something low, like, 150 or s-

   21. NANarrator19:57

       Yeah, he got $200,000.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe19:58

       Yeah.

   23. NANarrator19:59

       (laughs) And then ...

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:59

       (laughs) Yeah.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe19:59

       ... $200,000, but back then, 'cause this is in what year?

   26. NANarrator20:02

       Uh, '71.

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe20:04

       '71.

   28. NANarrator20:05

       Or something like that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:05

       Wow.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe20:06

       And he- and he didn't just hijack the plane. He made the plane land, get rid of the passengers, bring them parachutes, bring the money, and have it take off again. Like, this is way back before pe- you know, he just-
6. 21:22 – 30:01

   Somerton Man ‘Tamam Shud’ and a quick detour into Elizabeth Warren ancestry politics

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe21:22

      Yeah. And I was just in, uh, in Australia, and I visited the grave of, uh, the, uh, Tyum Shmm- Schm- Schmidt? Schud? The- another crazy mystery one. You ever hear of that one?

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:36

      No.

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe21:36

      The guy that was found at the beach in, uh, Adelaide. I actually went to the cemetery and visited his grave during the day one of the days I had off there, uh, when I was doing shows in Adelaide. And this guy was found at a beach. This is one of- another one of the great mysteries ever. Found at a beach wearing a suit. Uh, he had a half-lit- a- a cigarette that was out, like, in his collar. They found him. He'd been dead. They- they don't know the guy. There's no ID on him, no nothing, so they keep him around for a few weeks in the morgue waiting for some type of information on the guy. They- they just don't want to bury him, and eventually they cut through his clothes and they find that there is a little pocket with a piece of paper, like, on the inseam of his pants or his shirt. I can't remember. They trace the- they can tell that it's cut out of a book called the Tyum Shud or something like that. I'm not saying it right 'cause it's some old Latin word or something. And- but there's a code on it and a phone number or some- or no, there's a code on it, but they know that ... No, there's not a code on it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:43

      (laughs)

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe22:43

      It's just a piece of paper from a book.

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:45

      Okay.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe22:45

      And they have the page and everything, so they go to the newspaper. They're like, "Hey, does anybody, uh, know- have this c- copy of this book so that we can find out who this guy is and why this is sewed in on him?" They don't get anything, so they go nationwide to Australia and try to figure out what this piece of paper's from. They find the book in another part of Australia with the missing part, and in that book is a phone number and a code that every code breaker ever has tried to figure out, and they just don't know. So it's the Tomb of the Unknown Man.

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:13

      Whoa.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe23:14

      Yeah. And it goes, like, deep. There's so many theories about what happened to this guy, and it could've been the CIA. He could've been an American spy. He could've been a Russian spy. He could've been an Australian spy. Like, nobody knows anything about this guy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:29

       Whoa.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe23:30

       And they followed up, and there's some g- there's a guy that, like, has some crazy theory, but I don't know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan23:36

       There's a guy that has a crazy theory?

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe23:38

       I mean, there's a ton of people that have-

   14. JRJoe Rogan23:39

       That's for everything in the world. You know, there's people that think that the Elon Musk thing was fake, it was a hoax.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe23:43

       Oh my God.

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:44

       (laughs)

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe23:44

       I saw someone yesterday with that malarkey.

   18. NANarrator23:48

       (laughs)

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe23:49

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:49

       DNA just-

   21. NANarrator23:49

       Somerton Man.

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:50

       ... tied a mystery death in Australia to Thomas Jefferson.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe23:54

       Whoa. When's that from?

   24. NANarrator23:55

       This is that guy.

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:56

       "Unidentified man found dead on Australian beach baffled investigators for decades. A new DNA analysis links Somerton Man to Thomas Jefferson and Native Americans." So he was an ancestor of Thomas Jefferson and Native Americans?

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe24:09

       That's interesting. I've never read that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:11

       So they- yeah, so they essentially just did a- a DNA test on him.

   28. NANarrator24:14

       Did an-

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe24:14

       They call him the Somerton Man because that's the beach that, uh, he was found at.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:19

       Uh, you guys, you know about this Elizabeth Warren stuff? Do you know who that w- woman is? She's a politician.
7. 30:01 – 37:42

   Stealth tech, cloaking clothes, and robot ‘dogs’ opening doors (Black Mirror future)

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Oh my God, that is hilarious. But here's the thing, by me saying all this, I, I, I'm not saying that people haven't seen UFOs 'cause I don't know what they've seen. It's totally possible that something that's capable of coming here from another dimension, especially before recently, right? Would be able to figure out how to avoid detection somehow or another. They're probably pretty close to figuring out how to do that now. I mean, they have the stealth bomber which avoids radar detection. And they... I know they have those cloaks. Uh, you've seen those jackets that people wear where it literally shows a video of what's behind you?

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe30:41

      Uh-uh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:42

      Yeah. It's, it's like this new technology that they're trying to develop where literally you, your clothes would show exactly what's behind you. So you've got a camera, some sort of camera system mounted somewhere on you, and it's taking a picture of what's behind you. It's streaming what's behind you. And so then that appears on your clothes. So as you move, you literally are everything that's behind you. There's this weird, like, Predator effect from the movie. It's very crude right now. But you look at it and you go, "Oh, this is the future." They're just gonna become ... Everything's gonna become-

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe31:16

      The future's scary.

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:18

      It's weird.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe31:18

      You watch Black Mirror?

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:19

      Yes.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe31:20

      Oh my God.

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:21

      Yes.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe31:21

       They make it look like everything in the future is (laughs) gonna make us crazy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       That show's so good, man.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe31:26

       Wow.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       It's so good.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe31:28

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       I- in terms of like a show that makes you just like after the show's over you just go, "What the fuck?" That crocodile expert, uh, um, e- episode rather-

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe31:37

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       ... crocodile, uh, I had like 15 friends text me after that going, "What in the fuck was that?"

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe31:45

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       "What the fuck?" It's so crazy.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe31:49

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:49

       And it's so good. And you can see it happening. You're like, "No, no fucking way."

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe31:54

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:54

       "No fucking way." Like, "Oh my God." It's ... I don't remember a show ever that's that powerful. Like when it comes to a science fiction type show.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe32:03

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:04

       I don't remember a ... I mean, there were some amazing shows on before but they were all really fiction shows. Right? Like this is fiction with like a dash of futuristic possibility.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe32:14

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       Like dystopian future. That fucking dog one with the robot dog.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe32:20

       Oh yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       Jesus Christ. What was that called? Metalhead?

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe32:23

       Yeah.
8. 37:42 – 58:57

   Drones, weaponized robots, and the Florida shooting: guns, media contagion, and AR-15 debates

   1. JRJoe Rogan37:42

      Well, we have to worry about people more than we even have to worry about drones. Right? Th- this new shooting in Florida freaked me the fuck out again.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe37:53

      Yeah, it's happening-

   3. JRJoe Rogan37:55

      Just-

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe37:55

      ... all the time now.

   5. JRJoe Rogan37:56

      It's horrific. And the crazy thing is, like, kids used to joke around about this guy doing that someday. That was something they joked around about.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe38:06

      I think that, uh, I think that the way that the news reports it and the way that it's such big news isn't helping at all. 'Cause one thing that I've noticed is the whole car ramming thing, like, that's a new thing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan38:19

      Car ramming thing?

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe38:20

      Where the... a lot of the things that are happening are people just getting in a truck or a car and just-

   9. JRJoe Rogan38:26

      Oh.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe38:26

       ... running people down.

   11. JRJoe Rogan38:27

       Yeah.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe38:28

       It's a fairly new thing-

   13. JRJoe Rogan38:29

       Yeah.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe38:29

       ... that started with, like, I don't know, maybe that French one or something like that. I can't remember the first one.

   15. JRJoe Rogan38:34

       Yeah.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe38:34

       But since then, because the report- you know, they're just... They report it and they blow these things up and then bing, bang, boom. Like, I feel like going off of the car ramming situation and the growth in car rammings alone, that we could sort of see how overly reporting these... I mean, I don't know if that's even a thing or if I'm, what I'm saying is making sense at all, but...

   17. JRJoe Rogan38:55

       I know what you're trying to say, but the counter to that would be, someone had... What was the, the... Someone made a really good analogy. (sighs) The, the point being what this is, is only happening here. We have to figure out why it's happening here so often. It rarely happens anywhere else, but here it happens pretty often. So what is that? Is it access to guns? Is it mental health? Is it both of those things? Is it, um... It's just far too easy to get guns? Is it that you're not being monitored in the, in the sense of being talked about? And people don't want anybody infringing upon their rights, right? But if we just sat down and had a rational conversation with someone to renew a gun license, you know, rational conversation with someone who doesn't work for a gun group or anything, just someone-

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe39:56

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan39:56

       ... who could just give you a reasonable reason why you should be suspicious about this person having a firearm. And you really don't want to do that either, though, 'cause you can't trust people. It's like you, you're putting people in a position of power to decide who gets the guns and who doesn't get the guns. It's all very, very fucking terrifying and c- and confusing.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe40:17

       It seems like the AR-15 is the one that they need to keep an eye on, because all the biggest ones are that, and it seems to be able to mow down, mow down a lot of people at once.

   21. JRJoe Rogan40:26

       Yeah, semi-automatic rifles are more effective in those type of mass shooting situations. That's why those guys use them. That's why they use them in, you know, all sorts of horrific ways all, all around the world, right? That's what they're good at. The... So then the question is, are they too lethal for a regular person just to be carrying around? I... Y- you'd want to know why a regular person wants to carry them around, and then you would realize, is that really my right to even ask a regular person why they need it? I mean, if most of these people are law-abiding gun owners, when we freak out that one person who legally bought a gun, in this case, is a, a kid who legally bought it, does it, does this horrific thing. It's a very good question, and it's a question we all have to ask ourselves. Like, how many times does this happen before something happens? And is the, is the answer arming the schools? That's a fucking terrifying answer. The putting armed guards at schools. Like, I saw a story where someone had held up two signs, which it was like a, a Instagram thing, and so it was... The, the two signs were, which one of these signs would make you feel good if you were like a, a killer? And it shows no weapons, like a no weapon sign, and then it also shows a sign with an armed guard saying that the staff is, uh, armed and trained. And, you know, you're looking at the two of those and you're like, "Oh, God, dammit, I don't want either one of these fucking things."

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe42:05

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan42:05

       I, I, I definitely don't want weapons in schools, but I don't want them to need weapons in schools. That's why I don't want it there.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe42:14

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan42:16

       But when they... You know, when scenes like this happen, you have to go, well, how... Is there a way? I don't know. I don't know what the way is, other than- Even if you take people's guns away, goddamn, you're, you're not gonna get all of them. There's too many of them. The number of guns that people have today, I, I think it outnumbers humans. I think the number of guns, like total in this country, outnumber humans.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe42:46

       Insanity.

   27. JRJoe Rogan42:48

       W- even if you are for guns, when the number of things that can kill us outnumber us- (laughs) What? Are we overreacting? Are we crazy? Are we stockpiling for some fucking terrible collapse that we're all afraid of?

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe43:07

       Is that just our thing because we're like, uh, we were like the last country or whatever, you think? Is it like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan43:13

       I don't know.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe43:13

       ... defensive-
9. 58:57 – 1:21:50

   Athletic freaks and MMA wrestling dominance: Schultz vs. Goodrich to Jordan Burroughs and Yoel Romero

   1. JRJoe Rogan58:57

      He fought Gatt- uh, Big Daddy G- uh, Big Daddy Goodrich, uh, in, uh, the UFC way back in the day. It was his one and only, uh, MMA fight in the UFC. And it's really interesting because in the movie that they did with Steve Carell, like that's a historical moment. See, they don't understand MMA, so when they made that movie, the cage fighting part was like, "Yeah, whatever, we'll just fucking fudge this." Like, how do I... Why would I believe that anything in that movie is what really happened when the thing that I know for sure really happened, you fucked up?

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe59:37

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan59:37

      The thing that I know for sure really happened is this guy, Big Daddy Goodrich-

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe59:44

      Wow.

   5. JRJoe Rogan59:45

      ... fought Schultz when Schultz was a top of the food chain wrestler, man, and he just took him down at will. He, he handled him at will.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe59:54

      He took Schultz down?

   7. JRJoe Rogan59:55

      No, no. Oh, no, no.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe59:56

      Schultz, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan59:57

      No, no, no, no, no, no. There'll be none of that.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe59:59

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan59:59

       There'll be none of that.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:00

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

       Mark Schultz was a gorilla.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:03

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

       I mean, just like I said, top of the food chain American wrestler. He's a fucking tank.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:10

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

       And so, this is him fighting Gary Goodrich with like, very little striking, very little striking training. He's just looking for this. He's just... And once he gets this, oh fuck, all that.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:20

       Oh, wow.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

       Boom.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:21

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

       Takes him to the ground like he's a sack of potatoes, beats the shit out of him, mounts him, does whatever wants to him when he has him on the ground, uh, whatever he wants to him. It's a level of grappling that the UFC up until then had never seen. You know, it's like if a guy like Daniel Cormier entered into the octagon back there, same kind of thing. Just takes... Everybody's going down. Shut the fuck up. There's not gonna be any stuff in these takedowns.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:44

       There's a guy named Jordan Burroughs out there-

   23. NANarrator1:00:46

       I think they stopped that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       What's that?

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:47

       Why'd they just stop that right there?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       'Cause it, well, it was different times, man. It was, uh, back then-

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:53

       See that cut.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       ... yeah, they would... D- they didn't know what the fuck they were doing half the time. Like, look, Mark's got no gloves on and Gary's got no gloves on, but back in the day, you could wear gloves if you wanted to. And I think he has shoes on. Yep, he's got wrestling shoes on. And look at this, boom. I mean, every time he wants to, he could take him down. This is s-... And he's mounted him.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:11

       Wow.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

       This is just a level of grappling that you just don't understand.You're not getting them off you. Stop.

Episode duration: 3:00:30