Joe Rogan Experience #1085 - Kyle Kulinski

1. 0:03 – 3:04

   Suits, confidence, and timeless fashion (plus questionable pants trends)

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Boom, and we're live. Hello, Kyle.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski0:05

      Hello, Joe Rogan. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      How you doing? You look very good there in a suit.

   4. KKKyle Kulinski0:07

      Thank you. Uh, you know, I like to pretend that I'm a serious human being by wearing this, but I'm just a dick. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Well, you're a youngish fellow, so maybe a suit would give you more of an air of, uh, uh, uh, com- composure or-

   6. KKKyle Kulinski0:19

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      ... authority, perhaps.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski0:20

      That's the idea. If you look like you're really serious, then people assume you're serious-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Yeah.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski0:24

       ... and they don't know that I'm, you know, making dick jokes and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Exactly.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski0:27

       ... all the shit like that. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       It's a good move.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski0:28

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       It's a very smart move.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski0:29

       Yeah, it works out.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       I've actually, uh, had some suits made. I had to do this function for one of my kids' schools, and I had to go to this function where you had to wear nice clothes. It's like a dress up thing. And I don't really have nice clothes, nothing that, like, fits, and so I had to have something made. So now I've been wearing it when I go on special dates with Mrs. Rogan. Put it on.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski0:48

       So it's like... It's a suit like this? It's a-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I got a nice suit jacket and tailored, the whole deal. It fits me.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski0:53

       And how do you feel when you put it on? Do you feel like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       I feel like, um-

   22. KKKyle Kulinski0:55

       ... "Oh, I'm official now"? (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       ... I'm a serious person. I feel like a serious person.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski0:59

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Like, if I, if I dress like this with, like, a hoodie and a T-shirt, I feel like a, a shlub. I feel like a, a dork.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski1:05

       There's this-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Like I am.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski1:06

       There's this thing that I do where, uh, especially when I'm doing my show, oftentimes you do that half-ass move where I look like this.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Mm-hmm. But you have, uh, shorts on underneath?

   30. KKKyle Kulinski1:15

       But then I might have basketball shorts on-
2. 3:04 – 5:24

   Powdered wigs, syphilis, and not deifying the Founding Fathers

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:04

      You know, you know where that came from?

   2. KKKyle Kulinski3:05

      No, where?

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:05

      We found out on the podcast. It came from syphilis. Yes. The whole wig thing came out of royalty. These royals had syphilis. What was the whole story? It was about the term big wig and it was... So who were the people? Was it Dutch? Dutch kings? Who was the k- Who were the kings? See if you can find that story, 'cause it's a fascinating story. What it was was there was these, I think they were brothers, and they had syphilis. They were just banging everybody. Yeah. Why do people wear powdered wigs? And it all came from hair loss that these guys would have. There it goes. "The, the peruke story begins, like many others, with syphilis. By 1580, the STD had become the worst epidemic to strike Europe since the Black Death. According to William Clowes..." Uh, Clowes? Clowes? C-L-O-W-E-S. How would you say that?

   4. KKKyle Kulinski3:53

      Either one. Clowes, I'd say.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:55

      Uh, "An infinite multitude of syphilis patients clogged London's hospitals and more filtered in each day. Without antibiotics, victims faced the full brunt of the disease. Open sores, nasty rashes, blindless dement-

   6. KKKyle Kulinski4:07

      Oh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:07

      ... blindness, dementia, and patchy hair loss. Baldness swept the land."

   8. KKKyle Kulinski4:11

      So, that's them saying, "I'm healthy. I'm healthy."

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:13

      Well, they just, it just became a thing because these ro- c- c- scroll down so you... It'll tell you, like, who the people were that did it. Yeah. So, um... Uh, so, uh, what? You went a little too far. Yeah. "And so syphilis outbreaks sparked a surge in widgemaking, wig-making. Victims hid their baldness," blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. "Louis XIV was only 17 when his mop started thinning. Worried that his baldness would hurt his reputation, Louis hired 48 wig-makers (laughs) to save his image. Five years later, the king of En- England, Louis' cousin, Charles II, did the same thing when his hair started to gray. Both men likely had syphilis. Courtiers..." How do you say that?

   10. KKKyle Kulinski4:49

       Courtiers.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       "Courtiers-"

   12. KKKyle Kulinski4:50

       Yeah, I think so.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       "... and other aristocrats immediately copied the two kings. They sported wigs and the style trickled down to the upper middle class. Europe's newest fad was born." And so that's where it came from, so the whole powdered wigs with people of distinction in, in court.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski5:05

       Right. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       All that shit came from syphilis.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski5:07

       Well-

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       It's like most things.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski5:08

       Well, whenever somebody tries to, you know, kinda like deify-

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       Mm-hmm.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski5:12

       ... the Founding Fathers, I always think, "Well, yeah, they were brilliant on some things, but on the other hand, they wore powdered wigs and shat in ou- outhouses and had slaves." (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       Yeah. Yeah.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski5:21

       So, like, there's a little bit of a balance that we have to take into consideration there.

3. 5:24 – 9:55

   Culture shifts, campus blowups, and the backlash to deplatforming

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:24

      Well, I mean, think about how much cultural change has taken place in our society just over the last few years.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski5:32

      Sure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:32

      You mean-

   4. KKKyle Kulinski5:33

      Sure.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:33

      Uh, uh, words that were commonplace are now completely unacceptable, you know?

   6. KKKyle Kulinski5:39

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:39

      Styles of behavior and methods of expression are being criticized and critiqued i- in this really radical way, and I think it's good, uh, ultimately. I think there's a lot of back and forth-

   8. KKKyle Kulinski5:51

      To an extent I'd say it's good, but-

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:53

      The, the, the sentiment is good, you know? I think the reaction and some of the overreaction, like, there's a spectrum, right? There's, there's always gonna be, like... Did you see the... There was something that came out yesterday from Portland State University.... where Peter Boghossian and James Damore, the Google memo guy, and, uh, Heather Heying, she was a, uh, professor at Evergreen State.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski6:17

       I remember, with the Jordan Peterson thing.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       Yes.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski6:18

       Sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       And she was actually on my podcast, uh, last week with her husband, Bret Weinstein. Weinstein, can't say Weinstein.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski6:25

       Oh, so I'm not thinking of the same person.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       It's Weinstein.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski6:27

       I was thinking of the person who got fired 'cause of-

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:29

       She did not get fired.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski6:30

       Oh, she didn't get fired, but she-

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       She crashed.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski6:31

       ... criticized her for playing a Jordan Peterson thing, is that the same person?

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       No.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski6:34

       Oh, okay. Sorry.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       No, no, no. That's Lindsay-

   24. KKKyle Kulinski6:36

       Okay, right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       ... something or other.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski6:37

       Lindsay something, yeah sure. Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:38

       She was in a different university.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski6:40

       Okay.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       Laurier? Was that, was that it?

   30. KKKyle Kulinski6:42

       Yeah, in Canada, in Canada.
4. 9:55 – 13:33

   Authoritarian left vs libertarian left, and why public debates become theater

   1. KKKyle Kulinski9:55

      Sure, exactly. And, you know, the breakdown to me is when you look at somebody like that, they're in the category of what I would call authoritarian left, because they want to control other people's actions, they want to shut down that speech-

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:07

      Yeah.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski10:07

      ... and say, "Your ideas are so dangerous, I don't even want to hear it." There's a whole nother contingent of the left, which again, I would argue is probably the majority of the left, which is the libertarian left, which is people like me and many others who say, "Listen, live and let live on social issues. I'm never..." Even though I don't agree with Steve, uh, Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro on anything, I'm never gonna, you know, try to protest to get them to not speak their mind at a school.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:31

      It's foolish. It's foolish.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski10:32

      It is.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:32

      It's foolish.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski10:32

      And it makes, it makes it look like you don't have an argument when you say, "I can't let that guy talk."

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:37

      Exactly.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski10:37

      And then they get to go around and say, "I'm so persecuted because I'm right."

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       Right, right.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski10:41

       You know? Meanwhile, I, but I say, "Okay, you want to have somebody like that go speak at college? Sure, fine, let him speak. Let me get the speech after."

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:48

       Well-

   13. KKKyle Kulinski10:48

       That's good enough.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:49

       You have a... I mean, I think open conversations are critical, and I also, uh, I mean, this is gonna probably be unpopular, I don't think the way to do it is in front of a large group of people. I think you open yourself up to a lot of grandstanding, a lot of saying things just for applause breaks, a lot of, there's a lot of bullshit. It just-

   15. KKKyle Kulinski11:06

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:06

       It changes the nature of the conversation because it becomes theater. You're doing this thing in front of all these people, and you can hear a lot of these times people say things, like I'm a comic, so I know when someone's saying things for a reaction.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski11:18

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       They're like, "There's a way you do it where you say it like this and that's what we want." And everybody goes, "Yeah!"

   19. KKKyle Kulinski11:24

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:25

       You do not, you do not talk like that when it's just you and a person. When it's just you and a person, you are just alone with your ideas, and I think that is the way a guy like Ben Shapiro and, you know, whoever you want on the left should have a discussion.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski11:39

       Yeah. Um, there's something about that that's sophistry, you know, like, so you're not creating the best argument, you're just trying to sound like you have the best argument.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       Yes.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski11:48

       And, you know, Bill Maher, for example, does this where he's very good at the punchy one liners.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:54

       Sure.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski11:55

       Like he's in a conversation with his panel on his show and he'll be like, "Buh, buh, buh, buh." And everyone's, "Ah!"

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:59

       Yeah. That's his style.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski12:01

       And it's like-

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:01

       I mean, he's a comic.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski12:01

       ... well, he didn't really say anything-

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:03

       Right.
5. 13:33 – 15:46

   Rogan’s ‘talk to everyone’ philosophy and the label-war problem

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:33

      It's just, uh, it's just, uh, you know, it was... We were talking about this before the podcast that, like, what I will try to do is have conversations with everyone. I try to have conversations-

   2. KKKyle Kulinski13:42

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:42

      ... with nutty people like Alex Jones, I try to have conversations with rational people like Sam Harris, I like to, I try to have conversations with all kinds of people. But without fail, every time I have a left-wing person on, I'm some cuck, left-wing-

   4. KKKyle Kulinski13:56

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:56

      ... you know?

   6. KKKyle Kulinski13:56

      It's gonna happen, sure.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:57

      And e- and every time I have a right-wing person on, I'm some alt-right, Nazi apologist. It's like this weird inclination we have to try to label and categorize people, and I try to resist those labels as much as humanly possible.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski14:13

      Well, I feel like what you're really good at is you can have on people who disagree completely on stuff, but you'll kind of find a nugget of agreement in the conversation with that person, and then you can expand on that and you can end up having a very nice conversation. And you're not, you never really bring anybody on to try to, like, browbeat them and tell them that they're wrong on this issue or that issue. You know what I mean?

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:36

      No. I mean, it's, I have no desire to do that. I don't have, uh... I mean, look, I've had, I've had a lot of arguments in my life and I don't like them. I don't think they're beneficial. I mean, I think debate is good, but every time I've ever been in a, an argument with someone, like a real argument, I always come out of it feeling gross.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski14:51

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:52

       You know, there are times in life where arguments are necessary. There's times in life where you're just faced with, uh, aggression or conflict and you have to do something about it, you have to meet it head on. There are times in life like that. But whenever you can avoid that, do. And I think a lot of what arguments are, and I've failed at this in my life many times, but a lot of what arguments are is the way you've reacted to the w- the thoughts and the expression that another person has. And if you just reacted a different way or approached it in a different manner or took it into consideration a little bit more before you responded, I think the conversation could have gone another way. And I think I'm learning how to do that more and more as I get better at podcasting, get better at conversations, learning how to just settle someone down, and learning how to genuinely be a nice person. So where I don't, I don't want to, like, insult anybody. I don't want to be in a disagreement with someone. I wanna discuss ideas.

6. 15:46 – 17:55

   Skeptics, 9/11 framing, and Brian Dunning’s downfall

   1. KKKyle Kulinski15:46

      Sure. Who was that, who was that skeptic guy from years back that he put you on a list of, like, "Top 10 conspiracy blah, blah, blah," and then-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:55

      Uh... Brian Dunning.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski15:55

      And then I, I remember watching that clip and it was so frustrating, uh, when you guys were going back and forth, because you would say... I think you were talking about the 9/11 thing, and you're like, "I'm 100% not saying it was a conspiracy. I'm saying it looked like the building came down in a controlled demolition." Those are two very different things. It's one thing to say, "I believe it's a conspiracy." It's another thing to say, "The way it came down, uh, looked like it was a controlled demolition." But he kept insisting and trying to tell you what you believe-

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:23

      Well-

   5. KKKyle Kulinski16:23

      ... as you're sitting across the room and you're like, "No, I don't believe that."

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:25

      He was trying to tell me what I was saying-

   7. KKKyle Kulinski16:27

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:27

      ... even though it was very clear. You know, okay, how do I say this? Uh, I don't think Brian is a bad guy. I don't think his brain works correctly.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski16:38

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       I'm, I'm being honest. I think there's, there's a real problem there. And when he does these science... these videos, he sounds like a strip club DJ. Do you know what I mean? Like, there-

   11. KKKyle Kulinski16:49

       I've never seen his or-

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       There is some way-

   13. KKKyle Kulinski16:51

       ... original content.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       ... that people talk where they take on an affected-

   15. KKKyle Kulinski16:54

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Uh, uh, there's a way-

   17. KKKyle Kulinski16:55

       I hate that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       But that thing is done by people that are trying to achieve a desired result. Like, the- it's not that they're themselves talking about a very specific thing. It's that they're trying to put on an air of intellectual authority. And, you know, he talks of himself as a science writer, whatever that is. Look, I don't hate that guy, I'm not mad at him. The whole thing was kinda foolish and it was very damaging to him, and he wound up going to jail afterwards. Not-

   19. KKKyle Kulinski17:19

       Really?

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       Yeah, not because of that, but because of something that he did. He was involved in some sort of a scam with, uh... Was it Amazon or Google?

   21. NANarrator17:28

       eBay.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:28

       eBay, that's right. He was involved in some sort of a scam where he had embedded cookies. You would go to his site, it'd make it lo- made it look like when you were buying things online that you had gone through his site first, when in fact you hadn't. There was just a cookie that was embedded, some, some, something along those lines. Whatever it was, it was illegal and he wound up going to jail. So, and even his defense of that, it's like, I think there's something wrong there.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski17:49

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:50

       I don't know what that something is, whether there's a, there's a spark plug that's not screwed in all the way.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski17:54

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:54

       There's something wrong.

7. 17:55 – 45:11

   Trump’s communication edge, performative bravado, and the election that shocked people

   1. KKKyle Kulinski17:55

      Well, speaking of, uh, fake personas, I feel like that's the worst when it comes to politics.

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:02

      Yes.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski18:02

      And I do feel like o- one, there's very, very, very, very, very few upsides of Trump in my opinion, but one of the upsides of Trump is that he did kinda break the mold in terms of what was viewed as-... um, the right way to communicate as a politician. Because before him, you had all these very measured people who had the proper posture and they spoke with their thumb pointed down because they don't wanna be-

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:24

      Yeah.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski18:24

      ... too strong with their, their finger pointing at you like that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:27

      Right, or a fist.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski18:28

      So, and then he comes along and he's obviously shooting from the hip and he clearly has no filter and he's tripping over his words. "A tremendous, believe me." He's unnecessarily-

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:37

      Yeah.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski18:37

      ... punchy and short with his sentences. And I remember there was a, a report that came out that said he communicates, I think it was like a sixth or seventh grade level or something like that. And everybody in the media was mocking it. And I did a segment where I said, "You guys are mocking, and that's a terrible idea." Because guess what? The, the way he's speaking, even though it sounds stupid, it's gonna pierce through. Like, you know how when some people talk, it's hard ... You have to focus to pay attention, to listen to where they're going with it-

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:00

       Yeah.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski19:00

       ... and it's hard? And then there's other people who talk and it's like you j- it's ... You just get it. It's immediately right in your brain.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:06

       Right.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski19:06

       And it, it ... It doesn't matter, agree or disagree with the substance of what that person is saying, you know when somebody's an effective communicator. And when he was o- at ... Out there, uh, on the campaign trail and he was, for example, campaigning in the Rust Belt where Hillary Clinton did not go-

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       Right.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski19:19

       And he was like, "Ah, NAFTA. NAFTA's terrible. They shipped out all your jobs."

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       Right.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski19:23

       "It was unbelievably terrible. Believe me. Let me just tell you."

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       (laughs)

   19. KKKyle Kulinski19:25

       "But I'm gonna do ... I'm gonna keep you jobs here. It's gonna be unbelievable, believe me."

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:29

       That's pretty good. (laughs)

   21. KKKyle Kulinski19:30

       I ... See, it is good, right? I do a pretty good Trump. People tell me that.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:32

       The voice is a little off, but the mannerisms are excellent.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski19:35

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:35

       (laughs)

   25. KKKyle Kulinski19:36

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:36

       So-

   27. KKKyle Kulinski19:36

       How about the fucking thing he did recently where he said that he would've gone into the school when the school shooting was going on?

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:41

       Horrible.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski19:41

       He would've gone in there even if he didn't have a gun. Yeah. It's like, 'cause you-

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:45

       Can you fucking imagine any other president-
8. 45:11 – 52:16

   Democrats, money, Bernie’s appeal, and the ‘lesser evil’ trap

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      What do you want?

   2. KKKyle Kulinski45:11

      It's not hard for ... to please people like me who are on the left. We want a living wage, we want Medicare for all, which, you know, every other modern nation has one version or another of a single payer healthcare system. We just wanna be like the rest of the modern world. We want free college. Again, Slovenia has fucking free college. We can't afford to do free college when we just spent seven fucking trillion dollars on the Iraq war? We wanna end the wars. So I have very clear policy goals that I want. And guess what? Bernie Sanders came along, spoke about those issues. He went from being this obscure senator from fucking Vermont, which has a population of 12 people, to getting 47% of the vote in a race against a political juggernaut, a behemoth that had the entire Democratic Party machine behind her. So-

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:56

      Not only that, they were rigging the primaries.

   4. KKKyle Kulinski45:58

      100%. Yes, and that's what we learned, and that's why, uh, Julian Assange went from being viewed as, "Oh my God, this guy is great." That's how the left used to view him. And now many people, Democratic partisans, are like, "Oh, fuck this guy."

   5. JRJoe Rogan46:09

      Russia. He's with Russia.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski46:10

      That, I ... That's ... And I was just talking to you about this before the podcast, I was watching CNN before I came here for about an hour and 30 minutes, non-stop Russia coverage. Non-stop fucking Russia coverage. And then guess what? Now when Donald Trump goes out there and he's a, "Fake news CNN," everybody's gonna go, "Yeah, you know what? All they do is fucking talk about Russia all day long, so maybe the guy has a point." So the institutions that we have and the establishment as it is, it opens up the door for a demagogue and a liar and a fake populist like Trump to come in there and exploit it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:38

      Yeah.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski46:39

      So i- if you give people a choice between a broken system that's fucking them over, where half of workers in America make $30,000 a year or less, you give people an option between keep everything as is or take a fucking human bowling ball and throw it at the establishment-

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:53

      Yeah.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski46:53

       ... and they're gonna say, "Okay, fuck it. We'll roll the dice on this Trump guy." And then meanwhile, look at his agenda and everything that he's done since he got elected. It's the opposite of his populous rhetoric on the campaign trail. His fucking tax bill had a 33% favorability rating and they were bragging about it when they passed it. This is a bill that cuts corporate taxes from 35% to 21%, at a time when corporations are already paying a historically low percentage of the tax burden, and it raises taxes on everybody that makes $75,000 a year or less over a 10-year period. I mean, you couldn't get a piece of legislation that spits in the face of working people more than that. But the saddest thing is, this guy is so comically easy to beat, but the Democrats can't get their shit together 'cause they're fighting back against the grassroots who care about the issues because they're in bed with corporations. The Democrats are in bed with corporations just like the Republicans are. So if you got this corrupt party establishment and they're trying to tamper down the wing of the party that can actually win, well then guess what? You're gonna keep losing to these monsters, these comic book villains on the right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan47:54

       Don't you think that the parties themselves, th- th- there's a giant issue with the momentum behind them? The lobbyists, the special interests groups, the embedded just sort of ecosystem that they both carry with them. For someone new to step in and sort of represent the actual people like yourself that, that have this-

   12. KKKyle Kulinski48:14

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan48:15

       ... very clear view.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski48:16

       Well, that's why-

   15. JRJoe Rogan48:17

       That's why they have so many people that they're beholden to by the time they get into a position where they can even run for president, they've all been vetted and checked and-

   16. KKKyle Kulinski48:24

       Well, that's why, there, there are some keys here. So one of the most important things is when you look at a politician who's running, thing number one is check. Do they take corporate PAC money? If the answer is yes, fuck 'em. Not interested. If you don't take corporate PAC money, that means okay, at least I know you're being honest and you're being open. And when you talk, I can believe you. There's a-

   17. JRJoe Rogan48:45

       But if some problem comes along is that successful politician, someone who could actually possibly win, they do take corporate PAC money, but they're a better alternative than say, uh, (laughs) you know, Pence. If Pence-

   18. KKKyle Kulinski48:57

       Sure.

   19. JRJoe Rogan48:58

       ... decides to be president-

   20. KKKyle Kulinski48:58

       So-

   21. JRJoe Rogan48:58

       ... after ... Then you go, "Okay, we gotta choose the lesser of two evils." That's essentially what we did with Hillary.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski49:03

       Right.That's right, and I think-

   23. JRJoe Rogan49:05

       You get into that weird position where, yeah, she's kinda corrupt, but look, she's, uh, it's gonna be historic. She's a woman. She's infinitely more qualified than him and...

   24. KKKyle Kulinski49:12

       Yeah. The lesser evilism thing is a, is a big issue because that's the game that's played on the American people. And I think Americans know that it's being played on them. You know, like if you look at the, um, the opinion polls on Congress, Congress oscillates between a 14% approval rating and a 21% approval rating, and we're supposed to be a democracy. So in other words, you vote these people in, and then two weeks later you go ask people, "Hey, what do you think of the Congress you just voted in?" And like, 14% of them are like, "I think they're good." Everybody else is like, "Fuck them." So we all know that there's a problem here, and the root of the problem is the corruption of the system and the corporate money flooding our politics, and then the politicians get in there and all they do is represent the corporations, and they don't represent the people. So to your point, yeah, in order to rise up through this system, that's why they l- that's why the establishment loved Hillary Clinton-

   25. JRJoe Rogan50:00

       Yeah.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski50:00

       ... because she played by the rules in this corrupt system.

   27. JRJoe Rogan50:03

       Yeah.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski50:03

       Did you know that, uh, her and Bill through their entire career, they raised over $3 billion in private donations?

   29. JRJoe Rogan50:11

       That's hilarious.

   30. KKKyle Kulinski50:12

       And that's how you get to the point where it was wall-to-wall, "Oh, obviously she's gonna win. This is a no-brainer and everybody loves her." No, everybody loves her in, on fucking Wall Street and in Washington DC. But, and again, just to go back to the Bernie Sanders point, now we're seeing more politicians coming up that are in his model where they say, "I'm not gonna take any corporate PAC money. I, I don't even want a super PAC if I run for president." And then what happens is people know at the end of the day I can trust that person even if I don't agree with that person. And that's why Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country by a mile and a half. He's the most popular by a long shot, and the reason is there are even many people on the right who look at him and go, "You know what, I don't agree with him on abortion, I don't agree with him on this or that, but I trust the guy, and I think he's fighting for me."
9. 52:16 – 1:00:13

   2020 speculation: Tulsi, Ro Khanna, Oprah rumors, and celebrity-politics fatigue

   1. KKKyle Kulinski52:16

      Well, there are, there are a few good politicians though. For example, Ro Khanna is a politician.

   2. JRJoe Rogan52:21

      Who's that?

   3. KKKyle Kulinski52:21

      He's actually from California.

   4. JRJoe Rogan52:22

      Oh.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski52:22

      Um, he's a congressman.

   6. JRJoe Rogan52:24

      I like the name.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski52:25

      He has risen-

   8. JRJoe Rogan52:25

      That's unusual.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski52:26

      He's risen through the ranks.

   10. JRJoe Rogan52:27

       He sounds like a Star Trek guy.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski52:28

       (laughs) Well he's a badass.

   12. JRJoe Rogan52:29

       Ro Khanna.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski52:29

       He's a badass, so-

   14. JRJoe Rogan52:30

       Is he?

   15. KKKyle Kulinski52:30

       Yes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan52:30

       A legit badass?

   17. KKKyle Kulinski52:31

       In fact, you know, I could maybe hook up... If you want him to have him on the podcast, I'll talk to him and see if, uh, he would wanna come on. I think he would. But, um, he's a, he's a young guy and-

   18. JRJoe Rogan52:39

       How old?

   19. KKKyle Kulinski52:40

       Really smart guy. I don't know exactly how old he is, but he's, he's young.

   20. JRJoe Rogan52:42

       You have to be what, 39 or something?

   21. KKKyle Kulinski52:44

       Uh, to run for Congress? Um, 35? Jamie, check that. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan52:49

       How old do you think Congress is in '38?

   23. NANarrator52:50

       This is the Jamie fact checking hour.

   24. JRJoe Rogan52:51

       The president's 35, about 35.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski52:52

       There you go. The president is 35. There you go.

   26. JRJoe Rogan52:54

       That's so young. I was retarded when I was 35.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski52:56

       Yeah, I'm retarded now and I'm 30. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan52:58

       (laughs) I was so fucking stupid when I was 35. How can you allow people to be 35 years old and run for president?

   29. KKKyle Kulinski53:04

       Yeah that-

   30. JRJoe Rogan53:04

       That's so crazy.
10. 1:00:13 – 1:06:11

    Status symbols, Trump aesthetics, and pop-culture taste (grills, fanny packs, phone holsters)

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

       I mean think about who Trump was pre-election and Trump is now.

    2. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:17

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       Before the election, he was kind of lovable. He's like this lovable-

    4. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:21

       Hmm. (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

       ... egomaniac weirdo guy. I mean before-

    6. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:24

       He had a role.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       ... the election.

    8. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:25

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       Well, you know, let me take that back because it was all that birther shit that was pretty wacky. But pre-birther shit.

    10. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:32

        He was the guy who played the role of the "I'm the big boss corporatist" guy-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

        Yeah.

    12. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:36

        ... who's like-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

        I'm the guy with the-

    14. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:37

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

        I'm the don, the king of real estate.

    16. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:40

        I'm the decision maker.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

        He was like a bigger-than-life character. Large hair, big fucking name on the buildings.

    18. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:45

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

        Gold, gold lettering everywhere. Gold bathroom. Gold toilet paper. Like he would just-

    20. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:50

        He's so silly.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

        He's-

    22. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:51

        Does he not know that like-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

        (laughs)

    24. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:52

        ... there's such a thing as, as... What's the word I'm looking for? Garrish? Is that... Garrish is the word I'm looking for?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

        Yeah. I don't think he does know that. Well, he's old, man. With old people, that was like ... Someone said it best, and this is one of my favorite quotes about Trump, that he is what a poor person imagines a rich person would be like.

    26. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:07

        Oh, that's a great point, yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

        Yeah.

    28. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:09

        And, and he's a, he's a dumb person's idea of a smart person.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

        Yes.

    30. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:13

        'Cause he's very confident and he boasts.

Episode duration: 3:01:25