Joe Rogan Experience #1089 - John Dudley

1. 0:00 – 5:30

   Arrow “thunk,” Midwest roots, and why some places feel haunted

   1. JDJohn Dudley0:00

      Whoa.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Five, four, three, two, one. (swooshes) Thunk. There's that sound that everybody knows. Thunk. Like if you play that sound, people know that's an arrow, right?

   3. JDJohn Dudley0:13

      Yep.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Thunk. But it may be a throwing knife. Thunk. But you know it is an arrow.

   5. JDJohn Dudley0:21

      Dang right, we do.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Dang right.

   7. JDJohn Dudley0:22

      Dang right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      That's a, that's a Iowa boy right there.

   9. JDJohn Dudley0:24

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       That's some Midwest coming outta ya. Sometimes I hear you on your podcast and I'm like, "Man, he is so Midwest, it's hilarious."

   11. JDJohn Dudley0:30

       Sorry about that. I'm act-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Don't apologize. It's awesome.

   13. JDJohn Dudley0:32

       I'm actually more of a half-breed. I'm a-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Little bit of South, right?

   15. JDJohn Dudley0:36

       Yeah, yeah. I was a redneck for a while, and then, then became a Yankee. My ... The people up North don't give a, they don't give a shit what people think North or South, but the S- the people from the South, my family, they're like, "You're part Yankee now." (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah. Isn't that weird?

   17. JDJohn Dudley0:54

       It's so weird.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       They, they lost, that's why.

   19. JDJohn Dudley0:57

       (laughs) Still thinking about it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       They lost that Civil War thing. Can you imagine? I mean, we are, we're several generations removed, but imagine growing up in like the late 1800s when it just happened and you're dealing with Yankees. There must have been a lot of murders, right? Where people killed Northerners and Northerners killed Southerners. And must've been a lot of that.

   21. JDJohn Dudley1:15

       It, it was ruthless, I'm sure.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Ugh. How the fuck did that happen? That is a crazy time. If you think about the, the history of this country, that just 200 years ago, we were in, you know, less, we were in the middle of a bitter war from the, the North versus the South. Americans fighting Americans to the death. Big fields full of dead people. Um, my dad was at one of the fields. I forget which field it was. Um, but, uh, he said ... You know, it's one of those memorial places, uh, in the South. And he said, "The feeling-"

   23. JDJohn Dudley1:51

       Gettysburg or something?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Yeah. You know what, it was Gettysburg. And he said, "You feel it." He's like, "You feel sadness there."

   25. JDJohn Dudley1:57

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       He's like, "It sound," I know it sounds crazy. And he was saying, "I don't even believe in that stuff, but you feel it." Like, you're there, you're like, "Oh."

   27. JDJohn Dudley2:05

       Yeah. We've been in a few memorials. Um, a few memorials and a few big, you know, like, especially like military cemeteries.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       Oh.

   29. JDJohn Dudley2:16

       You just, uh ... You know another one I felt it, like exactly what you're saying? Um, I went to, um, a historic part of Custer where they lost the battle.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Oh, wow. Little Bighorn?
2. 5:30 – 8:30

   Werewolf art, Bigfoot movies, and practical effects vs CGI

   1. JDJohn Dudley5:30

      (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:30

      That picture's awesome. Go to my Instagram. Jon Dudley is, uh, riding the werewolf. We were trying to figure out, well, do werewolves ... Um, Patrick Magee made that werewolf and it, it comes in two pa- pieces. You slide it out. And oh, Patrick Magee has a new movie out. I should pump his new movie out. If you're into ... There it is.

   3. JDJohn Dudley5:46

      (laughs) I didn't even see it yet. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:48

      (laughs) Look at that fucking picture, man. Oh my God, it's hilar- It's got 5,000 likes already.

   5. JDJohn Dudley5:53

      Jesus.

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:53

      I put it up two minutes ago.

   7. JDJohn Dudley5:56

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:56

      (laughs) That's such an awesome picture.

   9. JDJohn Dudley5:57

      I know.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:57

       But, uh, Pat Magee, the guy who made that, uh, just made a movie, a Bigfoot movie. It's called, uh, Primal Scream, I think. Isn't that what it's called?... it just came out.

   11. JDJohn Dudley6:08

       Is it a legit one? Or is it-

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       Like a horror movie.

   13. JDJohn Dudley6:10

       Oh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:11

       Yeah.

   15. JDJohn Dudley6:11

       What with- what with the yeti?

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       Like, Bigfoot's a monster.

   17. JDJohn Dudley6:13

       Okay.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Killing people.

   19. JDJohn Dudley6:14

       I'll watch that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:15

       Jacking people in the woods.

   21. JDJohn Dudley6:16

       I'll watch that.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       Yeah, it got good reviews. I hope it's good. I l- um, I love me a good Bigfoot movie. And there's not a whole lot of 'em.

   23. JDJohn Dudley6:23

       I think we woulda saw Bigfoot a long time ago. There's many-

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       Oh, yeah. For sure. I think, e- but, but, um-

   25. JDJohn Dudley6:30

       What would you do if you actually ran across one?

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       Double lung.

   27. JDJohn Dudley6:34

       (laughs) Would you-

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       Take the- take the penalty.

   29. JDJohn Dudley6:36

       You'd flatten? (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Double lung, prove a point. (laughs)
3. 8:30 – 13:28

   Toys, Robin Hood, and roasting bad archery in movies

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:30

      Isn't it crazy that that became ... that Transformers became huge hit movies? It was a dumb toy, right?

   2. JDJohn Dudley8:38

      Yep.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:39

      Was it originally a toy?

   4. JDJohn Dudley8:40

      Yeah. Transformers? They were cool.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:42

      I shouldn't say dumb toy. If anyone's a collector, they're freaking out right now.

   6. JDJohn Dudley8:45

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:45

      Dumb to me. How about that?

   8. JDJohn Dudley8:47

      Yeah. Gobots and Transformers, they were ... I mean, before that, you had, you know, army men, muscle men. You remember those? Those little pink rubber muscle men? They were all freaking jacked. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:58

      Do you know what I remember? Remember Stretch Armstrong?

   10. JDJohn Dudley9:00

       Yeah. Oh, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:00

       You could pull him apart?

   12. JDJohn Dudley9:03

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       They never made a movie outta him, did they?

   14. JDJohn Dudley9:06

       My boy ... What's funny is they didn't have ... They did have some of that stuff. There they are looking at ya. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:11

       Little muscle men. (laughs) There's something that looks really gay about that.

   16. JDJohn Dudley9:15

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:15

       They're all pink. They're all pink, and-

   18. JDJohn Dudley9:18

       Those were pretty cool. My-

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:20

       Just on a r- just a roundabout guess, how many dudes have stuffed those up their ass?

   20. JDJohn Dudley9:23

       Oh, my God. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       Hundreds? Or thousands? I'd say thousands. Thousands.

   22. JDJohn Dudley9:27

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:28

       Right? Thousands of people have had those in their ass.

   24. JDJohn Dudley9:29

       We're going down that road already.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:31

       That's ... Why not? If you just d-

   26. JDJohn Dudley9:33

       (laughs) Oh, goddamn. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:35

       (laughs) If we could pull out, we can pull back. Think about ... Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, right? Didn't that start off as a ... Was that a comic book or was it-

   28. JDJohn Dudley9:44

       That was a comic book. Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       ... a comic book? Yeah, it wasn't a toy first. But the s-

   30. JDJohn Dudley9:48

       My- my boy, uh, he really got into ... I don't know what it was, but he had this Peter Pan doll. And I think because he didn't have a brother or sister, he would beat the shit out of this Peter Pan doll.
4. 13:28 – 18:52

   Axis deer in Hawaii and a deep dive on cooking wild game

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:28

      I've never seen anything like those things. Um, John and I hunted axis deer in, uh, Hawaii where they were brought over, I was reading, as a, like a gift to the king.

   2. JDJohn Dudley13:39

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:39

      In the 1800s.

   4. JDJohn Dudley13:40

      I was close to that today, actually.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:41

      Oh, did you?

   6. JDJohn Dudley13:42

      Yeah. Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:42

      That's probably where I was reading it. (laughs)

   8. JDJohn Dudley13:45

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:45

      I'm pretty sure I knew it already, but I think I've, that's exactly where I was reading it.

   10. JDJohn Dudley13:49

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       But they, I've never seen anything move as fast as those things.

   12. JDJohn Dudley13:53

       Mm-mm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:53

       Like, you could shoot at one that's 40 yards away and by the time the arrow gets there, it's nowhere near it. It's like (arrow sound effect) .

   14. JDJohn Dudley13:59

       Yeah, you need to load those fast twitch muscles in a UFC fighter of today. Oh my God. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:05

       It'd just be concussion city. It'd be crazy. I've never just, I've never seen an animal react to something so quick, but it makes sense that they evolved around tigers.

   16. JDJohn Dudley14:14

       Tigers and leopards.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:15

       (laughs)

   18. JDJohn Dudley14:15

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:16

       What a fucking shit roll of the dice.

   20. JDJohn Dudley14:18

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:18

       Imagine being tiger and leopard preferred food, and that's the other thing about axis deer. They are delicious.

   22. JDJohn Dudley14:25

       Yep.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       They are like one of the most delicious animals on the planet.

   24. JDJohn Dudley14:28

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:28

       And obviously tigers must know this.

   26. JDJohn Dudley14:30

       Oh, I bet.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:31

       They have to know it.

   28. JDJohn Dudley14:32

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:32

       I mean, there has to be a correlation between something that's extra fast and extra delicious. I really think there is.

   30. JDJohn Dudley14:40

       Well...
5. 18:52 – 25:45

   Backcountry hunting, bivy life, and respecting the real grinders

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:52

      That was amazing, that was so good. And I think there's- there's something amazing in that simplicity because a lot of people fuck that simplicity up. Like, that simplicity is a real common one to screw up. People just overdo it or overcook it or something goes wrong. But, um, Rinella really turned me onto all the various really fascinating dishes and he had several episodes of his TV show, Meat Eater, that are just dedicated to cooking. And I don't... There's not a lot of hunting shows that ever have that. It's always just about hunting and then the shot of the animal getting shot and then everybody smiling and high-fiving and that's it, roll credits. That's pretty much-

   2. JDJohn Dudley19:29

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:29

      ... 60%, 70% of all those hunting shows. And his really stands out because it's like, "Hey this guy is a real chef."

   4. JDJohn Dudley19:35

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:35

      I mean, he's an amateur chef but he's a real chef.

   6. JDJohn Dudley19:37

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:37

      He knows a lot about cooking.

   8. JDJohn Dudley19:39

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:39

      And he makes these delicious meals and they're intricate. Like, he makes this really cool elk meatloaf, it was really good.

   10. JDJohn Dudley19:44

       I've never done anything with Steve. We've- we've passed... We've actually been within the same group of friends talking at times but we've never actually done something where we had to have a communication just the two of us. But, um, yeah, he's a fascinating dude. I mean-

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:00

       Very, very smart guy.

   12. JDJohn Dudley20:01

       ... I would love to... I actually, I talked with, uh, Remy and, uh, I told Remy, I said, "I would love to do, um, just a weekend getaway where we just go back country and all you teach..." You know, just ki- I wanna just follow Remy and see some of his, you know, just his natural, like, camping and survival type skills. And then actually do an on the mountain coaching thing with Remy. We were talking about doing a show where I literally retrain his way of shooting while he's retraining my way of back country hunting and literally he's doing his element, I'm doing mine and we're able to- to just do it in the middle of nowhere.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:43

       That sounds cool.

   14. JDJohn Dudley20:44

       Yeah, it'd be pretty fun.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:45

       Well, I'm really fascinated by what Remy does and, uh, Tim Barnett and, uh, a bunch of those guys, um, that have, um, really taken up solo back hunt- back country hunting where they backpack in. And they'll go in 20 miles-

   16. JDJohn Dudley21:02

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:02

       ... with a backpack. I mean, obviously, uh, my favorite story is Adam Greentree, that fucking crazy bastard.

   18. JDJohn Dudley21:08

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       Our good friend, Adam, went all the way deep into the mountains of Colorado and then, again, uh, he went-

   20. JDJohn Dudley21:14

       Idaho.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:14

       ... came out for a bit and went to Idaho, right?

   22. JDJohn Dudley21:16

       Yep.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:16

       And that's when he had all the grizzly encounters but 28 days just living out of a backpack and putting his camp on his back most of the nights, just carrying it around and just living literally off your back. And there's an art to that. And Remy doesn't just do that but he also solo films everything-

   24. JDJohn Dudley21:33

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:33

       ... which is incredible.

   26. JDJohn Dudley21:34

       Well that's what... Well, I don't solo back country hunt but I definitely have... Really most of my TV show experience is all been from self-filming.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:46

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JDJohn Dudley21:46

       I mean, I've been doing it 20 something years. A lot of what you saw from me was all self-filmed which a lot of people don't appreciate how tough that really is until...

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:57

       Oh, yeah.

   30. JDJohn Dudley21:58

       I mean, it is hard. It's hard enough to, uh, to hunt and be successful but to film it is like a whole new level.
6. 25:45 – 32:58

   Competition, craft, and being in the “John Dudley/Joe Rogan business”

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:45

      I know exactly what you're saying. It's like, uh, well, (sighs) I don't know. I have a different attitude about that with standup comedy, um, because I really, really like when new people get into standup comedy. And it's, that's contrary to like a l- how a lot of professionals feel. Like, I was talking to a friend of mine the other day. She's very funny and she was telling me that her uncle was, uh, thinking about getting into comedy and she was like, "Oh," like, "Oh, God, no." You know? But when people ask me like, uh, "Hey, man, I'm thinking about doing comedy," I'm like, "You could do it."

   2. JDJohn Dudley26:14

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:14

      Anybody could do it, just figure it out. It's just like everything else. It's like jujitsu or m- m- martial arts, like, fi- fill in the blank. It's anything else. It's like music, you learn the chords, you figure out how to play, you can do it. You might not be able to do it.

   4. JDJohn Dudley26:31

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:31

      But that might be on you.

   6. JDJohn Dudley26:32

      Yep.

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:32

      I mean, the, like, whether or not, like, I think if you're a rational person and you think s- and you like comedy and you, people laugh at you, like you say funny shit sometimes, you could be a standup. Will you? Will you do it? I don't know. People think it's a lot easier than it is. They don't really know. They don't see. Um, there's no way you could. There's no, I mean, you think about all the hours, all the time, all the different sets. But I like it when people get into it. So if some new kid has only been doing comedy for three weeks, throws a bunch of pictures on his Instagram page about going to an open mic night, I'm happy. Like, go get it, kid. You know?

   8. JDJohn Dudley27:08

      Well, I mean, especially when it comes to art form, there's kind of a line there, because when it comes to competition, I'm very, very active in getting people involved with trying to compete because I always felt like even as a coach, when I helped people that were maybe not up to the rank that I was, I felt like once I felt the pressure of them pushing on my heels, it always elevated my game.

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:33

      Oh, for sure, yeah.

   10. JDJohn Dudley27:34

       And I've got friends that, I've got friends that are within different fields that I'm in, and they actually have came to me and said, "Hey, we wanna show you exactly how we're doing this." Um, and in a way I'm a competitor because I'm in the outdoor business, but there's been a few times where some of my friends have said, "The reason we're telling you exactly how we do it is because we know that you're gonna do it different, but maybe a little bit better." And some of them have said, "We're stale right now. We know we're stale. We need to push and we need someone to, like, push past us so that we'll, our competitive drive will, will push through."

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:17

       Well, you know what? You're in the outdoor business, but I'm gonna steal a page from my friend Sturgill's book, not a real book, but what he said the other day. He's like, he goes, "I'm not really in the music business. I'm in the Sturgill Simpson business."

   12. JDJohn Dudley28:30

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:30

       And I was like, "Damn."

   14. JDJohn Dudley28:32

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:32

       "That's right. He's right." Because I'm not in show business.

   16. JDJohn Dudley28:36

       Yep.

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:37

       I'm in the Joe Rogan business.

   18. JDJohn Dudley28:38

       Yep.

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:38

       100%. Like, I mean, I'm in show business in terms of like, I guess I work for the UFC. That's show business. I, I show up at the Comedy Store. That's show business. But that's where, that's my gym.

   20. JDJohn Dudley28:49

       Yep.

   21. JRJoe Rogan28:49

       That's where I'm practicing to be in the Joe Rogan business. And you're in the John Dudley business, you know? I mean, what I was saying, uh, before, I wanted to let you continue your thought, but what I wanted to say was, you feel that way because you're a legit guy. 'Cause like what you've done, (Joe Rogan The Joe Rogan Experience podcast 15:08) like a lot of people don't realize, there's a lot of people in the archery world and there's a lot of people in the bow hunting world that talk about bow hunting and they, they're really into archery, but your background as a competitive archer is just insane. I mean, you really, like most people don't even know. Like, you really did it all over the world. I mean, you competed internationally. You flew millions of miles. I mean, you, you did the whole deal and it, it's something that you, because of the fact that you know you put so much effort and so much hard work into it and you're solidified as completely 100% legit, you're very sensitive to things that you're not legit in. So that's why you're a very, uh, authentic person. Like when you're thinking about like all the running, like when I post pictures of running, I often think like, yeah, I'm running, but I don't even have like a real job.

   22. JDJohn Dudley29:56

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan29:56

       Cam Hanes is out there running 25 miles a day, that fucking crazy asshole. He's one of my best friends. It's like I can't really-

   24. JDJohn Dudley30:03

       You can't-

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:03

       ... I can't really think that I'm really running. I mean, I know I'm doing it, but it's bitch ass running.

   26. JDJohn Dudley30:08

       (laughs) It's, I didn't want to use that example, but that-

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:10

       It's a good example.

   28. JDJohn Dudley30:11

       ... that is the perfect example because-

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       Yeah.

   30. JDJohn Dudley30:14

       ... I don't post pictures of me-... yesterday, I actually did arm day. I'm not, like, arm day all the time, (laughs) but yesterday was ... Let me have some of that Alpha Brain. Yesterday was a legitimate arm day, and I thought, "Cam's already posted arm day, and he does it every day, so ... "
7. 32:58 – 37:38

   Pool-player practice sickness, Onnit protein bites, and podcast pet peeves

   1. JRJoe Rogan32:58

      You know where that comes from? It comes from playing pool.

   2. JDJohn Dudley33:01

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan33:02

      When I ... When you play pool-

   4. JDJohn Dudley33:02

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan33:02

      ... this is, this is real, high-level competitive pool, and I was never high level, but, um, it ... When I got to be as good as I got, I was always a b- what you would call a B player. It takes a lot to become a B player, but I was always a B player. There's A. There's an A player, and then A player, like, borders pro, and then there's pro, which is, like, stratospheric, like, you know, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, best of the best, top of the food chain. There's just different level. But when you play pool, as you get better and better, one of the things that, uh, that you get ... You develop, like, this feel, and the feel really kicks in with me about eight hours in. So I would, I would be practicing.

   6. JDJohn Dudley33:44

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan33:44

      I'm not joking.

   8. JDJohn Dudley33:45

      Eight hours in?

   9. JRJoe Rogan33:47

      Dude, I had a s- full-on sickness. Y- go ahead, pull that o- ... I know you're trying to do it off the mic. (laughs)

   10. JDJohn Dudley33:51

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan33:52

       How addictive are these goddamn Onnit protein bites? Holy shit.

   12. JDJohn Dudley33:56

       I want stock in these right there. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:00

       (laughs) That's ... (laughs) Those are so good.

   14. JDJohn Dudley34:01

       I'm, like, a junkie on these fricking things.

   15. JRJoe Rogan34:02

       They're so good. I ate four of those this morning, and I told myself I was only gonna eat one. I was just doing some shit around the house before I, I made breakfast, and my fasted, uh, window was up, and so I was like, "I can eat now," so I was like, "I'll just have one of these things." I ate one. I'm like, "I'm definitely having two." And then I ate two 'cause there's two in a package, and then I said, "Fuck that, I'm opening another package."

   16. JDJohn Dudley34:20

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan34:20

       I ate four of them. So I ate, what is it, seven grams each? So there's 28 grams of protein I ate inside of five minutes. (laughs)

   18. JDJohn Dudley34:27

       These are so good.

   19. JRJoe Rogan34:29

       Prepare from some ruthless farts.

   20. JDJohn Dudley34:30

       I made a post the other day. I said, "For anyone out there, (laughs) don't do it, 'cause if you do it, whatever these, whatever these are, you're gonna go from, like ..." This is the new Onnit. These are the protein bites, coconut cashew and dark chocolate. Actually-

   21. JRJoe Rogan34:47

       They're good for you.

   22. JDJohn Dudley34:47

       ... I didn't, I didn't have these. Andy Stumpf had these first, and he gave me these out of his backpack. Where were we? Oh, in Oklahoma. We had done, we had done quite a bit of a ride on the bikes for the day, and I'm like, "I am starving to death right now." And he pulled these out of his backpack, and I just said, "Dude, how many of those did you bring?" And he's like, "I don't know. I-" And I'm like, "Those are gonna be gone."

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:15

       (laughs)

   24. JDJohn Dudley35:16

       "These are dynamite." My problem is in the morning, I'm always ... I, I do like to, um, fast in the morning before my workouts.

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:24

       How m- h- what, what's the window you give yourself?

   26. JDJohn Dudley35:27

       I normally don't eat until about 10:30 or 11:00 in the morning.

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:30

       And what time do you eat at night before you go to bed?

   28. JDJohn Dudley35:32

       Hmm, 7:00.

   29. JRJoe Rogan35:33

       Oh, that's good. That's a good window.

   30. JDJohn Dudley35:34

       Yeah, and honestly, I, uh, I'm, like, starving, but I'm not ready to cook yet. Or, you know, normally for my breakfast, I'll normally eat half an avocado to a full avocado with anywhere from, like, four to six eggs. And if I have anyth- any meat left over from the night before, I'll slice that-
8. 37:38 – 1:01:02

   Stem cells, PRP, and “baby dust” saving shoulders (and careers)

   1. JRJoe Rogan37:38

      Yeah, well, you know what it was? I just don't think he could just sit and chill. And when Dr. Neil Riordan was discussing all this really-

   2. JDJohn Dudley37:44

      That is hard.

   3. JRJoe Rogan37:45

      ... heavy duty scientific stuff when, in regards to stem cell research and all the different... I mean, he's had, I mean, one of the reasons why he came on, he wanted to come on the podcast. And people were like, "Why didn't you ask him about his wife? Why didn't you ask him about the..." That's not what he was here for. I'm, I'm gonna be respectful to the guy. I'm a fan of Mel Gibson, he's a nice guy. What he asked is, he said, "Can I come on the podcast and talk about the stem cell research they're doing in Panama and the, the treatments that they gave to my dad at 92 years of age? Now he's thriving at almost 100."

   4. JDJohn Dudley38:16

      It was a great podcast. And you know I'm g- I'm, I'm a believer in stem cell because-

   5. JRJoe Rogan38:22

      Yes.

   6. JDJohn Dudley38:22

      ... you actually introduced me to Dr. Roddy Magee in Las Vegas.

   7. JRJoe Rogan38:26

      Yes.

   8. JDJohn Dudley38:26

      Saved, I mean, potentially, you saved my archery career.

   9. JRJoe Rogan38:30

      Well, it, it certainly potentially saved you from surgery.

   10. JDJohn Dudley38:33

       Because we potentially saved you. If I, well-

   11. JRJoe Rogan38:34

       Yeah.

   12. JDJohn Dudley38:34

       And surgeries-

   13. JRJoe Rogan38:36

       Who knows?

   14. JDJohn Dudley38:36

       ... are freaking hit or miss, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan38:37

       Right.

   16. JDJohn Dudley38:38

       So that's what I'm saying. I was lucky with my shoulder surgery, that I got out of there good. I know a lot of guys that are into their third one for the same type of thing. But literally, I got three injections the first time and went back for a second round because I think one of my tears didn't take. And literally, I t- completely avoided surgery because of Dr. Magee.

   17. JRJoe Rogan39:04

       And we should talk about this because I don't know the exact specifics of what it was called, what the original treatment was called, but the original treatment that you and I both got is no longer-

   18. JDJohn Dudley39:12

       Baby dust.

   19. JRJoe Rogan39:13

       ... baby dust (laughs) . We were calling it baby dust this past weekend. But it's not available anymore. It's, uh, it's because they believe... This is, what, they're trying to make it legal, but it has to go through a series of, uh, there's a whole process that it has to, to get it passed because they've declared it a drug. Because you take the, it's something about umbilical cord stem cells, you take them and convert them. And then that, somehow or another, the, in, during the process, they believe it's become a drug. Whatever that drug is, I had a full-length tear of my rotator cuff. Now, this is from an MRI. Full-length tear of my rotator cuff. It was painful. It was a real problem. Dr. Roddy Magee in Las Vegas, Nevada, shot whatever that baby dust is in there.

   20. JDJohn Dudley39:58

       (laughs) Gave you some...

   21. JRJoe Rogan39:59

       And, uh, the most recent MRI that I got, which is over a year from his original treatment, but I knew that it, it felt a lot better. But I have, I just haven't got it checked. It's gone.

   22. JDJohn Dudley40:09

       Funny enough, I was with you both times.

   23. JRJoe Rogan40:12

       Right.

   24. JDJohn Dudley40:12

       The first time, which, I mean, I didn't say anything about, but you had, you had been struggling to shoot a lot because, you know, you had just... It's wear and tear. I mean, the bottom line is it's wear and tear over life, especially with you and I, we do a lot of active stuff. But for you to go back, and you and I went in together, uh, last week. And when he said... He looked at you with this confused face and said, "Yeah, hey, that new MRI, that tear is healed."

   25. JRJoe Rogan40:44

       Healed.

   26. JDJohn Dudley40:44

       That's freaking massive.

   27. JRJoe Rogan40:45

       It's massive. That's a tear that would have normally absolutely required surgery. Or I could have just been in pain with an unstable shoulder. You know, o- one of the things that I'm realizing is that over the years of, uh, essentially being engulfed in martial arts most of my adult life, and even into my teenage years, like at 15, I became a fanatic. Like, from then on, martial arts has always been a part of my life. I've done some ruthless shit with my joints. Both of my knees have been reconstructed. I've had some real problems with my neck in the past. Both of my shoulders have, have caused problems. It's just explosive, crazy shit. Your arms are getting yanked in weird directions.

   28. JDJohn Dudley41:25

       Big Foot, windmills.

   29. JRJoe Rogan41:27

       That stuff. That's the easiest stuff. That's probably what saved me. All that Big Foot, windmi-

   30. JDJohn Dudley41:32

       Holy cow.
9. 1:01:02 – 1:07:19

   Vegas dinners, Gordon Ramsay as ‘professional asshole,’ and archery’s learning curve

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

      What's interesting about Roddy too, what's great about Roddy I should say rather than interesting, is that Roddy is a student of medical science as well as a practicing physician and surgeon.

   2. JDJohn Dudley1:01:12

      That's a good point.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

      Yeah, so he's constantly up on all the latest stuff. He's not stagnant in any way, shape, or form. He's constantly up on it. So every time I have a conversation with him, he's like, "There's some new research coming out of this place that shows this." And he's just constantly on the ball with it. And so, um, the most latest thing was this weekend. I mean, last time I saw him was just a couple months before.

   4. JDJohn Dudley1:01:33

      He's definitely on point with his stats.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

      Yes. Oh, what- (laughs)

   6. JDJohn Dudley1:01:38

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

      We... (laughs) Yeah, we can't really mention that on the podcast, but we were, uh, I was, I had some speculation as to activities taking place in LA, in, uh, Las Vegas rather on a daily basis. What they would be-

   8. JDJohn Dudley1:01:50

      Ugh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:50

      I was like, my, my, my real big question was how many times does a gay guy cum in another guy's ass and yell out, "Whoo," in Vegas?

   10. JDJohn Dudley1:02:00

       (sighs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:02:01

       How many times does he Ric Flair? And Roddy was correct. Roddy was like, "Not every day." And I go, "I think you're right." Everybody else was like, "All day, every day." I'm like, "What are the odds?"

   12. JDJohn Dudley1:02:10

       Jamie just came alive. He's... (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:13

       That's... (laughs)

   14. JDJohn Dudley1:02:15

       This, uh, by the way, this was at a very nice dinner. We were at a...

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

       How good is that steakhouse?

   16. JDJohn Dudley1:02:20

       It was very good.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:22

       Yeah, the, um, shout out-

   18. JDJohn Dudley1:02:23

       It was very good.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:23

       ... to, um, Craft Steak at the MGM. Phenomenal.

   20. JDJohn Dudley1:02:26

       Craft Steak was delicious. Oh, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:27

       Don't play games.

   22. JDJohn Dudley1:02:28

       We were, uh, having some of the b- best that Vegas could offer. Meanwhile, Joe got on some, uh, subjects that were probably only, probably only, uh, I don't know, legal to talk about in a comedy situation.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:44

       You can talk about it anywhere now, for now, for like the next couple months.

   24. JDJohn Dudley1:02:48

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:48

       And then they'll make that illegal.

   26. JDJohn Dudley1:02:49

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:50

       Yeah. Vegas is a great place to get meals. It's like one of the best restaurant places in the country. It really is.

   28. JDJohn Dudley1:02:56

       I want, shout out to, uh, I wanna hook up with Gordon Ramsey. You did some, you did some videos about hunting and cooking wild game, but you're missing out, man. You gotta do it the right way.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:09

       Is he?

   30. JDJohn Dudley1:03:09

       Yeah.
10. 1:07:19 – 1:16:37

    Beginner mindset, safe sparring, and Jocko’s ‘Good’ philosophy

    1. JDJohn Dudley1:07:19

       Hollywood, we need a movie called Love at First Flight.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:07:22

       (laughs)

    3. JDJohn Dudley1:07:23

       This is it. You can, uh, have Nicholas Cage play an archer-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:07:28

       But I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say-

    5. JDJohn Dudley1:07:30

       ... which would be a terrible job with Weatherman.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:07:31

       ... because she is from England does not mean that they're the same thing. That him and her, just like Artie Lange is also from America, and he is not as m- same as me. We are different. (laughs)

    7. JDJohn Dudley1:07:43

       (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:07:43

       He, he has way more experience with pharmaceutical drugs and heroin, and I have, uh, more experience shooting animals with a bow and arrow.

    9. JDJohn Dudley1:07:51

       (laughs)

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:07:51

        And it will always be such. Do whatever you wanna do in this life, you know? I don't think he needs to go out and, uh, hunt with a bow and arrow. It, one thing is, it would require a tremendous learning curve, right? Especially, like, my first experiences were, uh, bears over bait, which is a, a much easier proposition. It's a very controlled situation.

    11. JDJohn Dudley1:08:15

        But is, I mean, I think controlled situations are important for any beginner.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:08:19

        Yes.

    13. JDJohn Dudley1:08:19

        It doesn't matter.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:08:20

        Sure.

    15. JDJohn Dudley1:08:21

        Right?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:08:21

        Well, sparring. When you teach people-

    17. JDJohn Dudley1:08:23

        Right. Exactly.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:08:23

        When you teach people how to fight, one of the first things I suggest always is that they spar an advanced belt. They spar someone who's not gonna hurt them.

    19. JDJohn Dudley1:08:31

        Well, Mark talked about that at dinner.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:08:33

        Yes.

    21. JDJohn Dudley1:08:33

        We talked about his sparring.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:08:35

        Yes.

    23. JDJohn Dudley1:08:35

        Right?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:08:36

        Yeah.

    25. JDJohn Dudley1:08:36

        And you can, you can re-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:08:38

        Mark and I-

    27. JDJohn Dudley1:08:39

        You can read...

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:08:39

        We, we, we have an awesome-

    29. JDJohn Dudley1:08:40

        We have an alpha brain?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:08:41

        Yeah. Mark and I actually, uh, I p- I played a video for him that I was really disturbed about. We, we actually played it yesterday on the podcast.

Episode duration: 3:42:48