Joe Rogan Experience #1089 - John Dudley

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Whoa. …

   1. JDJohn Dudley0:00

      Whoa.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Five, four, three, two, one. (swooshes) Thunk. There's that sound that everybody knows. Thunk. Like if you play that sound, people know that's an arrow, right?

   3. JDJohn Dudley0:13

      Yep.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Thunk. But it may be a throwing knife. Thunk. But you know it is an arrow.

   5. JDJohn Dudley0:21

      Dang right, we do.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Dang right.

   7. JDJohn Dudley0:22

      Dang right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      That's a, that's a Iowa boy right there.

   9. JDJohn Dudley0:24

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       That's some Midwest coming outta ya. Sometimes I hear you on your podcast and I'm like, "Man, he is so Midwest, it's hilarious."

   11. JDJohn Dudley0:30

       Sorry about that. I'm act-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Don't apologize. It's awesome.

   13. JDJohn Dudley0:32

       I'm actually more of a half-breed. I'm a-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Little bit of South, right?

   15. JDJohn Dudley0:36

       Yeah, yeah. I was a redneck for a while, and then, then became a Yankee. My ... The people up North don't give a, they don't give a shit what people think North or South, but the S- the people from the South, my family, they're like, "You're part Yankee now." (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah. Isn't that weird?

   17. JDJohn Dudley0:54

       It's so weird.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       They, they lost, that's why.

   19. JDJohn Dudley0:57

       (laughs) Still thinking about it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       They lost that Civil War thing. Can you imagine? I mean, we are, we're several generations removed, but imagine growing up in like the late 1800s when it just happened and you're dealing with Yankees. There must have been a lot of murders, right? Where people killed Northerners and Northerners killed Southerners. And must've been a lot of that.

   21. JDJohn Dudley1:15

       It, it was ruthless, I'm sure.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Ugh. How the fuck did that happen? That is a crazy time. If you think about the, the history of this country, that just 200 years ago, we were in, you know, less, we were in the middle of a bitter war from the, the North versus the South. Americans fighting Americans to the death. Big fields full of dead people. Um, my dad was at one of the fields. I forget which field it was. Um, but, uh, he said ... You know, it's one of those memorial places, uh, in the South. And he said, "The feeling-"

   23. JDJohn Dudley1:51

       Gettysburg or something?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Yeah. You know what, it was Gettysburg. And he said, "You feel it." He's like, "You feel sadness there."

   25. JDJohn Dudley1:57

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       He's like, "It sound," I know it sounds crazy. And he was saying, "I don't even believe in that stuff, but you feel it." Like, you're there, you're like, "Oh."

   27. JDJohn Dudley2:05

       Yeah. We've been in a few memorials. Um, a few memorials and a few big, you know, like, especially like military cemeteries.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       Oh.

   29. JDJohn Dudley2:16

       You just, uh ... You know another one I felt it, like exactly what you're saying? Um, I went to, um, a historic part of Custer where they lost the battle.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Oh, wow. Little Bighorn?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   That's true. Well, um,…

   1. JDJohn Dudley15:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      That's true. Well, um, what I've found is, uh, that Chad Ward method, the, your friend Whiskey Bent BBQ?

   3. JDJohn Dudley15:07

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      He's changed the way I cook meat. Um, I do that-

   5. JDJohn Dudley15:10

      The reverse sear.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      ... reverse sear now, and I use a meat thermometer always. The only time I don't is when I, um, I will saute, uh, backstrap slices or steak slices-

   7. JDJohn Dudley15:21

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      ... in a frying pan, like a cast iron grill. I'll put some butter and some garlic salt and some cracked pepper, and I'll just cook them pretty quick on a really hot skillet. I like cooking like that too.

   9. JDJohn Dudley15:31

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       But when I cook like a roast or something like that, or a thick piece of meat, I always use Chad's method.

   11. JDJohn Dudley15:36

       Yep.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       It's the way to go. Get it, get the internal temperature, I get it to around 120, and then I take it out and just sear the outside in the frying pan and let it sit for 10 minutes and ooh...

   13. JDJohn Dudley15:48

       One thing that a lot of people don't realize too, um, when it comes to cooking a really good roast or steak or anything is I love having those soft Yeti bags or the smaller cooler.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JDJohn Dudley16:00

       And I'll take the stuff and actually, you know, kind of wrap it just lightly in foil or butcher paper and then put it in the cooler and let it actually stage in there and, you know, just stage in that moisture while I'm doing my vegetables.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Hmm.

   17. JDJohn Dudley16:14

       'Cause it takes about 20 minutes to do vegetables and then take it out right at the very end to do that reverse sear. Normally, when I put it in there, it gives me time to get, you know, a cast iron pan hot enough with the butter to do a reverse sear.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JDJohn Dudley16:27

       So it's like really good for timing and it, it really helps break down that, that protein a little bit and it just makes it that much more tender.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       That's interesting because I was doing that for a while but I was doing it after I did the sear. I was, I was taking it right from the grill and then I was searing it. Like I'd have the pan ready.

   21. JDJohn Dudley16:44

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       I'd sear it right off the grill and then I'd wrap it in foil and put it in the Yeti.

   23. JDJohn Dudley16:47

       But then you don't get kind of that crispiness of the sear which you like.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       Right, because it stays moist?

   25. JDJohn Dudley16:52

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       Is that what you're saying? Yeah.

   27. JDJohn Dudley16:54

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Right.

   29. JDJohn Dudley16:54

       Stage it first, start your veg, and then like, you know, probably two minutes before you feel like you're gonna pull your vegetables off, just get that butter going in that cast iron pan and then do your reverse sear. You know, you can do one side and then as soon as you flip it, pull your veggies off the grill and you're literally, you can go right back to the, you know, that one side you were reverse searing, take it off and you're serving hot, everything's totally hot.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       Yeah. Well, that's one thing that I really give credit to Steve Rinella. Steve Rinella really got me interested in wild game cooking and then Hank Shaw, who he had on his TV show who's a brilliant chef and this guy, he's got a couple of books out. One of them is Buck Buck Moose, I think? And then he's got another one.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   You can't- …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      asshole. He's one of my best friends. It's like I can't really-

   2. JDJohn Dudley30:03

      You can't-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      ... I can't really think that I'm really running. I mean, I know I'm doing it, but it's bitch ass running.

   4. JDJohn Dudley30:08

      (laughs) It's, I didn't want to use that example, but that-

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      It's a good example.

   6. JDJohn Dudley30:11

      ... that is the perfect example because-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      Yeah.

   8. JDJohn Dudley30:14

      ... I don't post pictures of me-... yesterday, I actually did arm day. I'm not, like, arm day all the time, (laughs) but yesterday was ... Let me have some of that Alpha Brain. Yesterday was a legitimate arm day, and I thought, "Cam's already posted arm day, and he does it every day, so ... "

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:34

      Yeah, I don't know how-

   10. JDJohn Dudley30:35

       I feel-

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       ... he doesn't get tendonitis. Oh, no, 'cause I'm going to-

   12. JDJohn Dudley30:37

       He's down with this, dude. He- (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       I don't know how-

   14. JDJohn Dudley30:40

       Why doesn't he have tendonitis in his legs?

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       That's true.

   16. JDJohn Dudley30:42

       He runs a, uh ... He's ... We ... You and I talked about ... I've shot a right-handed bow my entire ... Well, I shouldn't say my entire life. When I hurt my shoulder, I had to shoot a left-handed bow, but, um, for the most part, I've shot a right-handed bow my whole life. So my l- my left ... I mean, my left pec is bigger than my, than my right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       Mm-hmm, from pushing?

   18. JDJohn Dudley31:03

       My left delt, yeah, my left tricep.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JDJohn Dudley31:06

       And then on my right side, my, my right trap, the way my whole right side sits, and my bicep are also from pulling a bow-

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JDJohn Dudley31:16

       ... my entire life. And you and I talked about, you know, if you really wanted to balance yourself and stay symmetrical, you almost need to shoot left-handed as much as you shoot right-handed.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Yeah. Well, that's the key with martial arts.

   24. JDJohn Dudley31:28

       But in a way, I mean, that is what Cam's doing. He's running, right, it's all lower body, and then he's literally lifting upper body every day, which is a balance.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:41

       (laughs)

   26. JDJohn Dudley31:42

       I mean, people are gonna, people are definitely gonna say, "Well, you can't train upper body every day," but he trains lower body every day, so is it? Like, I've thought that many times.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       Well, he's doing low weight, high reps, not always so low either, by the way. That guy's strong as fuck. Like, you'd be kinda stunned at how strong he is. Like, he came over here, and, uh, he picked up my 125-pound dumbbells, and he was doing presses. So he's pressing 250 with dumbbells, you know, and he's ... I mean, he's a, he's a crazy guy. Like, I don't know anybody like him. So he's doing-

   28. JDJohn Dudley32:14

       But he's doing, he's doing low weight, high rep running.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       He's doing that, but I'm saying he also lifts 250 with dumbbells, and he only weighs, like, 175 pounds. I mean, it's pretty crazy shit. He's a fuckin'-

   30. JDJohn Dudley32:25

       I lift 175, and I'm 225. (laughs)
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Scott's not talking about any of that, but what he's had, uh, Cody Nelson, who's one of the owners of, uh, Outdoorsman, and they go into like edge-to-edge clarity, high-end details of Swarovski, Zeiss, uh, Vortex, like all these different binos, and they, they talk about, you know, all the different aspects of like, what's, what's the best shit to buy, what's the best shit for this price point, for that price point? And they get like super geeky and in-depth with it, but there's no better resource than outdoorsmans.com. Like, they, they have everything. They have all the high-end stuff, they have really good deals, but they also have this, uh, Atlas Trainer, which is 'cause their whole thing is Western hunting. And see, when... I think most people that don't know what hunting is or they're, they're not in the world, which is me prior to 2012, they think of hunting as fucking Elmer Fudd, some dude with an orange vest on shooting some poor innocent animal. What Western hunting is, and this is where it gets really weird, it's fitness with mental strength, discipline, and then hunting.

   2. JDJohn Dudley46:04

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan46:04

      There's so much involved in it. You're dealing with mountains, so you have mountaineering, hiking, uh-

   4. JDJohn Dudley46:10

      It's a tough mudder with a weapon.

   5. JRJoe Rogan46:12

      It is. It is.

   6. JDJohn Dudley46:13

      That's what it is.

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:14

      But he brings-

   8. JDJohn Dudley46:14

      People don't appreciate that. I mean, there's a-

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:16

      I'm trying to get them to.

   10. JDJohn Dudley46:18

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:18

       I'm trying to get them to because I've become-

   12. JDJohn Dudley46:19

       And you are.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       ... more absorbed, like this backpack shit that we're talking about, like what Remy does in, on a regular basis.

   14. JDJohn Dudley46:25

       Yep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:25

       Aaron Snyder, Aaron Snyder-

   16. JDJohn Dudley46:26

       He does.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       ... who does, uh, an amazing podcast called Kifaru Cast. It's a, it's a... Kifaru is a real high-end, uh, backpack company. They make like real rugged backpacks specifically designed for hunting and for military and tactical and stuff like that. But Aaron Snyder, one of the guy who runs it, is a serious hunter and he does those crazy 30-day trips like out in the budds, out in the woods, just living off your back.

   18. JDJohn Dudley46:52

       Budds, that's woods-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       Budds.

   20. JDJohn Dudley46:53

       ... and bush put together.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:54

       Bush and woods. I'm hanging around with Adam Greentree too much. They call it the bush.

   22. JDJohn Dudley46:58

       (laughs) I think we're, we've officially killed this angel's wings.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:02

       You have too much body.

   24. JDJohn Dudley47:03

       What?

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:04

       There's too much mass in you.

   26. JDJohn Dudley47:05

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:05

       You go through too much alcohol. Like, I have to think about, you probably weigh like 40 pounds light, heavier than me, so I have to, I have to put it in consideration-

   28. JDJohn Dudley47:13

       Nope.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:13

       ... how much to take in.

   30. JDJohn Dudley47:14

       No, you don't.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:57

   (laughs) …

   1. JDJohn Dudley1:00:00

      So I went there and did that. Well, then it ended up slowly coming back where I felt pain in one area of the three. So I had a different, I had an injection then. But what I had at that time was what we refer to as, uh, baby dust (laughs) .

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      (laughs)

   3. JDJohn Dudley1:00:17

      But now, um, you and my wife Sharon had PRP, which was, you know, really, really cool to see that machine work.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

      PRP mixed with stem cells.

   5. JDJohn Dudley1:00:27

      That's right. That's right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

      Yeah. Yeah.

   7. JDJohn Dudley1:00:28

      So it's, it's, and actually the very first time I came in, they had us, um, he asked me to do a light workout after. But then the second time I came back, he had me do a workout before.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

      Yeah, he did that with me as well.

   9. JDJohn Dudley1:00:43

      And then, and then injected it, and then we talked about the benefits of, like, the sauna and what that would do for it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       Mm-hmm, yeah.

   11. JDJohn Dudley1:00:50

       And then now, it's already at a different stage. So I mean, it's no, there's no, uh, no doubt the progression of this is just, it's like anything. It just gets better and better and better and better.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       What's interesting about Roddy too, what's great about Roddy I should say rather than interesting, is that Roddy is a student of medical science as well as a practicing physician and surgeon.

   13. JDJohn Dudley1:01:12

       That's a good point.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       Yeah, so he's constantly up on all the latest stuff. He's not stagnant in any way, shape, or form. He's constantly up on it. So every time I have a conversation with him, he's like, "There's some new research coming out of this place that shows this." And he's just constantly on the ball with it. And so, um, the most latest thing was this weekend. I mean, last time I saw him was just a couple months before.

   15. JDJohn Dudley1:01:33

       He's definitely on point with his stats.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       Yes. Oh, what- (laughs)

   17. JDJohn Dudley1:01:38

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       We... (laughs) Yeah, we can't really mention that on the podcast, but we were, uh, I was, I had some speculation as to activities taking place in LA, in, uh, Las Vegas rather on a daily basis. What they would be-

   19. JDJohn Dudley1:01:50

       Ugh.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:50

       I was like, my, my, my real big question was how many times does a gay guy cum in another guy's ass and yell out, "Whoo," in Vegas?

   21. JDJohn Dudley1:02:00

       (sighs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:01

       How many times does he Ric Flair? And Roddy was correct. Roddy was like, "Not every day." And I go, "I think you're right." Everybody else was like, "All day, every day." I'm like, "What are the odds?"

   23. JDJohn Dudley1:02:10

       Jamie just came alive. He's... (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:13

       That's... (laughs)

   25. JDJohn Dudley1:02:15

       This, uh, by the way, this was at a very nice dinner. We were at a...

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

       How good is that steakhouse?

   27. JDJohn Dudley1:02:20

       It was very good.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:22

       Yeah, the, um, shout out-

   29. JDJohn Dudley1:02:23

       It was very good.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:23

       ... to, um, Craft Steak at the MGM. Phenomenal.

Episode duration: 3:42:48