Joe Rogan Experience #1094 - Brian Redban

1. 0:05 – 2:37

   Facebook–Cambridge Analytica fallout and why people want to quit social media

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      So Jamie Vernon has some Facebook stock for sale.

   2. BRBrian Redban0:08

      (laughs)

   3. JVJamie Vernon0:08

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      He's got a... (laughs) . He's uploaded it to Craigslist.

   5. JVJamie Vernon0:12

      Sold.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      (laughs) Take it. Take it off my hands. I think it'll bounce back. If you guys don't know what we're talking about, Facebook, uh, apparently... Jamie, you were the one who first told me about it.

   7. JVJamie Vernon0:21

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Why don't you fill people in?

   9. JVJamie Vernon0:22

      I saw it yesterday. Well, from what I saw, there's something going on, I think the company is called Cambridge Analytica, which, uh, what I've also then learned is that Steve Bannon used to be the VP of this company, but that was before he was in the Trump campaign. And-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Yeah.

   11. JVJamie Vernon0:35

       ... they are responsible for scraping millions of users' personal information, I think through a couple apps, maybe, like the, like a personality app. If someone took one of those quizzes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Like a personality quiz, right?

   13. JVJamie Vernon0:46

       Yeah, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Like those online quizzes.

   15. JVJamie Vernon0:47

       Clickbait polls and stuff. Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Yeah.

   17. JVJamie Vernon0:49

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       So th- but let's be... Those are morons that answer those things, right?

   19. JVJamie Vernon0:54

       Right. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       For the most part, or people that are super bored.

   21. BRBrian Redban0:57

       And that's how you get... Most of the time, how you get your, your Facebook, like, passwords stolen is from those things.

   22. JVJamie Vernon1:01

       Oh, yeah.

   23. BRBrian Redban1:02

       Yeah.

   24. JVJamie Vernon1:02

       Or from sneaky emails-

   25. BRBrian Redban1:04

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JVJamie Vernon1:04

       ... that tell you, "Your account's been compromised. Please reenter your password."

   27. BRBrian Redban1:08

       Yeah.

   28. JVJamie Vernon1:08

       And you're like, "Is that okay? Ho ho. Well, it doesn't say Facebook on the URL." They, they can be sneaky with their URLs too, like, put something in front of it and then Facebook, and you're like, "Oh, it looks like Facebook." You know?

   29. BRBrian Redban1:21

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JVJamie Vernon1:21

       So the, uh, FTC is looking into this case right now, apparently, as of yesterday.
2. 2:37 – 4:09

   Clickbait economics: fake headlines, sponsored-content traps, and rage engagement

   1. BRBrian Redban2:37

      And that's where all the fake news stuff is. Like, I thought Pam Anderson died the other day, and it was just one of those fake news stories. And that's always where you find it, is on Facebook.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:45

      Well, whenever you go and read an article and those, those things at the bottom, they're like, "You should see what she looks like now." And there's like 30 of them. Like, wait a minute, like they're just throwing shit at you. They just literally are like, "Come on, you're gonna bite on one of these. Come on. What is it? Kevin Costner? You can't believe what he looks like now."

   3. BRBrian Redban3:02

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:02

      "You remember that girl from Precious?"

   5. BRBrian Redban3:03

      No.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      "You can't believe it."

   7. BRBrian Redban3:05

      (laughs)

   8. JVJamie Vernon3:05

      How often does it work though? You check so... Every so often, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:07

      No, I don't anymore.

   10. JVJamie Vernon3:08

       I do.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       But they got me a few times in the early days.

   12. JVJamie Vernon3:10

       I just Google it, but yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       Well, I thought that the, those were below... See, it's a sneaky thing because they took the place of real stories. It's like it used to... You go to CNN and everything would be CNN, but now you go to CNN, everything's CNN up until a line, and then below the line, it's like sponsored content. Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. This isn't... This is so sneaky 'cause this is barely an ad. This is like an article on CNN that takes you to some new place. And every page, like you have to keep changing pages, and every page is like one paragraph, like one paragraph on what Kevin Costner looked like in 1980. Okay.

   14. BRBrian Redban3:47

       (laughs) Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       What about '81? Boom. Next page. In '81, Kevin Costner started to gain weight, like... (laughs)

   16. BRBrian Redban3:52

       Yeah, and then there's usually not the photo that you want to see. You know-

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       No.

   18. BRBrian Redban3:55

       ... how like the thumbnail has, like, Kevin Costner's head blown apart.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       Right.

   20. BRBrian Redban3:58

       And you're like, "I want to see that picture."

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       Right.

   22. BRBrian Redban3:59

       And it's never in there.

   23. JVJamie Vernon4:00

       And it's not even there. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       It's not even in there. It's fake.

   25. BRBrian Redban4:02

       Snaps. I hate it.

   26. JVJamie Vernon4:03

       Sons of bitches. Clickbait. Clickbait.

   27. BRBrian Redban4:05

       Yeah, that and sn- that and Snapchat, I think should go. I might be out, done with those two.

3. 4:09 – 7:35

   Snapchat controversies, redesign backlash, and the rise of location tracking

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:09

      Well, the Snapchat, Rihanna, Chris Brown thing is crazy.

   2. BRBrian Redban4:13

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      The fact that somebody green lit that... It cost them almost a billion dollars, like instantly. Do... Weren't they down like some $800 million or some fucking insane number?

   4. JVJamie Vernon4:24

      Yeah, I mean, that was the... Yeah, the second time that's happened in a couple of weeks.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:27

      Yeah, one of them was like Kylie Jenner saying it sucks, right?

   6. BRBrian Redban4:30

      Yeah, the hottest Kardashian.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:32

      So 800 million they dropped after Rihanna condemned ad making light of domestic violence. So the question was in the poll, would you rather slap Rihanna or punch Chris Brown? Like what?

   8. JVJamie Vernon4:44

      What would you do?

   9. BRBrian Redban4:44

      Look at this. Look at that.

   10. JVJamie Vernon4:47

       (laughs) Of course everyone wants to punch. Like, who wants to slap Rihanna?

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       There's a lot of dudes.

   12. JVJamie Vernon4:52

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       (laughs) There's a lot of assholes out there. There's got to be probably a sizable percentage of the people clicked slap Rihanna just because they don't like their life. Like, "Fuck that bitch." You know?

   14. BRBrian Redban5:03

       I would like to see what the results were of this.

   15. JVJamie Vernon5:06

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Yeah, well, you would have to join the Bannon administration-

   17. JVJamie Vernon5:09

       Yeah, right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       ... and then they get you involved in Cambridge Analytics and you gotta give up your fingerprints.

   19. JVJamie Vernon5:15

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       I don't... I don't know how anybody could say, "Yeah, put that on Snapchat." Like that seems so fucking insane. That seems like a joke, like in a movie, you know? Where like you talk about like a clueless executive, you know? Like, "This is my idea. What do you think? Lots of clicks. Lots of clicks." You know, cut to him with a sad face holding his box of stuff as he's being kicked out of his office, "And stay out." You know?

   21. JVJamie Vernon5:40

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:40

       He doesn't... That doesn't seem like something that's something as huge as Snapchat. How could they do that?

   23. BRBrian Redban5:47

       They, they've been fu-... I mean, the whole redesign they did recently, it already was confusing and annoying to begin with, but that-

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:52

       I don't use it at all.

   25. BRBrian Redban5:53

       Oh, now it's even worse. And like every... They even had a, uh, a, a website where, you know, a pet- a petition-

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       Oh, yeah.

   27. BRBrian Redban6:01

       ... to, to switch back. I think they got up to a million users saying, "We want the old Snapchat back." And they were like, "No, it's, it's better now. We're not listening to you."

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       Oh, well Instagram listened, right? They went back to, uh, things being in chronological order.

   29. BRBrian Redban6:14

       Did they do that?

   30. JVJamie Vernon6:15

       It's, it's, uh, they tested it out. It was like a beta test that hasn't happened for everyone yet, but it probably will happen or it's gonna become an option soon.
4. 7:35 – 9:00

   Privacy whiplash: from early AOL directories to child-porn enforcement changes

   1. BRBrian Redban7:35

      It's so funny how privacy has changed over the years. Remember AOL 1 or 2 where it used to have member directory where you'd just type in your address and it'll show you all the users near your house, and then you could just instant message these people out of the blue and go, "Hey, uh, you look cute. I live down the street from you. You wanna hook up?" Like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:52

      Yeah.

   3. BRBrian Redban7:52

      That's how, like, they even showed where you were.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:55

      Well, we were talking about this yesterday with Kurt Metzger. We was talking about Barry Crimmins, how Barry Crimmins, you know ... Barry Crimmins has a, um, there was a documentary that Bobcat made for him about him called, uh, cal- They Call Me Lucky? Is that what it's called?

   5. JVJamie Vernon8:08

      Y- yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:09

      Or just Lucky. Call Me Lucky?

   7. BRBrian Redban8:10

      Call Me Lucky.

   8. JVJamie Vernon8:11

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:11

      Call Me Lucky. Um, anyway, in the documentary, it details his battle with AOL where AOL was allowing people to trade child porn. And they had a policy where if y- ... Three strikes and you're out. So you could tra- trade child porn.

   10. BRBrian Redban8:26

       Are you serious? (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       Call Me Lucky. Yeah. You could trade child porn three times. Like, and it's fucking insane. And he, he, uh, actually was a big part of that trial and bringing it to trial.

   12. BRBrian Redban8:37

       Wow.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       Yeah. The, the thing is insane. That, that wasn't that long ago. That was 20 years ago. 20 years ago you could trade child porn on AOL.

   14. BRBrian Redban8:47

       (laughs) Jesus.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       (laughs) Like, and if you got caught, they just said, "Hey, don't do that again." Like, now they come to your fucking house and they lock you up. Like, it's really interesting how much that's advanced. You know?

5. 9:00 – 12:20

   iPhone cracking, Apple Pay convenience, and tech’s push into your body

   1. JVJamie Vernon9:00

      Yeah. This is, uh, what I was gonna show you guys a second ago. This ... I just saw a story yesterday that never before qu- they thought iPhones couldn't be cracked, and now this company has this little box.

   2. BRBrian Redban9:08

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JVJamie Vernon9:08

      Which, uh, there's a picture of it here.

   4. BRBrian Redban9:10

      Yeah. It's not that expensive.

   5. JVJamie Vernon9:12

      $15,000 gets the police 300, uh, license unlocks, and they, they can spend double and you have unlimited unlocks. And it will unlock every iPhone n- newer than an iPhone 5S, it said.

   6. BRBrian Redban9:23

      If their pricing structure's weird because if you get the $15,000 one, you're only allowed to do it at a location that's, like, geofenced in. You're not allowed to do it anywhere else.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:31

      Hold on a second. You just said newer than an iPhone 5S? It can-

   8. JVJamie Vernon9:35

      5, 5S and newer. And newer. Up, up to right now, like, uh, iPhone 5.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:37

      So if you just have a 5-

   10. JVJamie Vernon9:40

       I guess.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       ... you can't do shit?

   12. JVJamie Vernon9:40

       I- uh, it would be the older operating system, I think. It's something with that. Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       People are gonna go to flip phones.

   14. BRBrian Redban9:44

       But you might not be able to use those anymore, you know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:46

       It's just so convenient to do things on your phone. That's part of the problem. You know what I'd take- taken to doing lately? Using Apple Pay at the grocery store.

   16. BRBrian Redban9:54

       Mm, it's nice.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:54

       Ooh, it's so exciting.

   18. BRBrian Redban9:55

       Oof, that's crazy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:56

       It's so exciting. It's like I'm living in the future.

   20. BRBrian Redban9:58

       Ah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       I double-click, it sees my face. You know? Ooh. Oh.

   22. BRBrian Redban10:03

       I just bought one of those little square devices, you know, so, like, if you're sh- selling shirts after a show or something? And it has that built into it so you can just ... People are just using their iPhones on it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:11

       Whoa.

   24. BRBrian Redban10:12

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:13

       Geez.

   26. BRBrian Redban10:13

       $20 device you get on Amazon.

   27. JVJamie Vernon10:15

       Oh, right, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       That's crazy.

   29. JVJamie Vernon10:17

       Using it with your iMac is good, too.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:19

       Yeah, it's a ... Your iMac?
6. 12:20 – 15:17

   Smart assistants: Siri vs Alexa, accidental triggers, and ‘creepy’ AI behavior

   1. GUGuest12:20

      It wasn't really necessary.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:21

      Yeah.

   3. GUGuest12:21

      Or no one saw it being necessary until someone made it, I think.

   4. I'll tell you what's not necessary is that HomePod they released. That thing is just a dump.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:28

      (laughs)

   6. GUGuest12:28

      That thing sucks. I mean, it sounds amazing, but Siri is so stupid compared to Alexa. It's weird.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:34

      Is it?

   8. GUGuest12:34

      Alexa's just smart as fuck. And she-

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:37

      So Amazon's Alexa, Siri, and then there's ... What about the Google Home? Have you tried that one?

   10. GUGuest12:41

       No, I didn't-

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:42

       I heard that one's supposed to be better too.

   12. GUGuest12:44

       I think, I, I think it probably is. I mean, it's ... If it's the same as the Android phone one, it's good.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       Siri is like that girl that was really hot but decided to stop working out.

   14. GUGuest12:53

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:54

       You know? And she's like, she's still pretty hot, but then all those other girls are going to the gym all the time.

   16. GUGuest12:58

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:58

       You look at them, you're like, "Look at her butt, though. Look at her legs." And Siri's just kind of ... Siri's kind of sloppy. (laughs)

   18. GUGuest13:05

       It's, it's pretty annoying now how many times my Siri and my Alexas go off just from people going, "Hey, Siri," you know, like on a podcast or something, and it just ruins everything.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       Yeah. That if you have it set like that, I mean, when we've, we've probably triggered a th- ton of people just you doing that right there.

   20. GUGuest13:20

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       People always complain when I say that. And then there's the, "Hey Google" complaint too.

   22. GUGuest13:25

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:25

       Same thing. You say, "Hey Google," and someone's got their system-

   24. GUGuest13:28

       It's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:28

       ... or whatever it is.

   26. GUGuest13:28

       It should be-

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       What is the one-

   28. GUGuest13:30

       W-

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:30

       What is the thing you're supposed to say?

   30. GUGuest13:30

       Uh, uh, "Hey Google."
7. 15:17 – 19:36

   Deepfakes and synthetic media: face swapping, audio stitching, and what’s next

   1. GUGuest15:17

      You know what I mean? It's like you've heard them do that with voice, like when they take people's voices and they chop them up and try to piece together some sort of audio of something that they didn't really say, if they're being obvious about it. But, you know, there's technology right now, like Photoshop, that's gonna allow people to stitch audio together. I, I believe we've talked about it on the podcast before.

   2. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:36

      Yeah. It's getting better and better. There's a Radiolab episode where they showed where it's at now, and it's one of those things where it's ... Right now, it's not ready. It's still ... Like, if you heard it, you'd go, "Oh, that's not Brian. That's a fake, uh, conversation put together from a bunch of shit Brian said."

   4. GUGuest15:53

      It's like that porn, that fake porn that was put-

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      That's even more crazy.

   6. GUGuest15:57

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:58

      'Cause they could just take your face, like take pictures, and pretty seamlessly stitch your face onto the character.

   8. GUGuest16:04

      With emotions, with opening mouths-

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:06

      Uh-huh.

   10. GUGuest16:06

       ... with blinking and stuff.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       Yeah.

   12. GUGuest16:07

       I've seen some really good ones too, like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       (laughs)

   14. GUGuest16:09

       ... the girl from Harry Potter. Ay, ay, ay.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       Uh, well, it's what they're doing with Snapchat, right? When someone pretends to be, uh, Rick from The Walking Dead.

   16. GUGuest16:16

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Like, D'Elia did that.

   18. GUGuest16:18

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       And I'm like, "Goddamn, that's pretty close."

   20. GUGuest16:21

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       It's pretty close. Like, I know that it's ... Obviously, that there's a thing going on here, but it's pretty close to what it would really look like. Fuck.

   22. GUGuest16:31

       It's good enough.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       It's good enough to make you go, "Whoa." This wasn't around before. Like, if somebody showed you that Snapchat thing that all the girls do where they put dog faces on and shit and bark, bark and pretend to be a puppy dog or unicorns or whatever, if someone showed you that just 10 years ago, you would be, f- ... Holy shit. You wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't believe it. You would look at, like, that thing that lets you become Rick from The Walking Dead, and you would go, "What the fuck, man? This is incredible." If someone showed you that in 1998, do you know how m- mind-blowing and groundbreaking that would be? Now it's a part of an app that's on your phone that sits in your pocket.

   24. GUGuest17:09

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       Like, what happened? And how quick did this happen? And which hole is it going in? It's probably gonna be a suppository, just so that the ali- ... It's, like, a ironic, like, that, that the aliens have figured out a way to mock us while defeating us.

   26. GUGuest17:25

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       And the way is just to, to give you the most ultimate bliss with this tiny little robot dick. You don't even feel it. They just put this robot dick in your butt suppository, and because your butt doesn't have, like, skin or something, same, it's, like, open tissue. That's why it's so good for getting infected. So, this little robot can just, uh, seamlessly interact with all that open tissue. And that's how you connect with God.

   28. GUGuest17:51

       (laughs)

   29. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:53

       They're gonna talk us in just what, the way they did with these Cambridge Analytics. They sneak you in the door, you think it's a personality quiz, you're really electing a dumb president.
8. 19:36 – 29:28

   From Xanax to circumcision: modern life anxiety, cultural taboos, and bodily norms

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:36

      ... in the middle of the day. That would be crazy. Look, we're already doing that with pills, right? People that are addicted to Xanax, and I know a few, that shit apparently makes you feel great. (laughs)

   2. BRBrian Redban19:46

      Is that the upper or downer?

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:47

      That's the, uh, there's no, no problems in the world drug. That's... It's an anxiety reliever. And the people that take it, man, they get hooked on that shit. Dom Irrera is very open about it. He takes that shit every day.

   4. BRBrian Redban20:01

      He's so great.

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:02

      He's great.

   6. BRBrian Redban20:03

      We had him last night on Kill Tony.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:04

      He's the best at that.

   8. BRBrian Redban20:05

      (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:06

      No one's better at Kill Tony than Dom Irrera.

   10. BRBrian Redban20:07

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:08

       He's so s- quick, you know?

   12. BRBrian Redban20:10

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:11

       And he knows like the most ridiculous shit to say.

   14. BRBrian Redban20:13

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:14

       Yeah. But he, he likes them Xanax. I know a lot of... Stanhope likes Xanax too. He was just joking around about if he got out of a plane and, uh, kissed the floor when he, when he landed in America, it would be because he saw a Xanax on the ground. (laughs)

   16. BRBrian Redban20:30

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:31

       They love those things. I'm scared of that shit.

   18. BRBrian Redban20:34

       I-

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:34

       I don't want, I don't want anything that makes me feel like there's no problems.

   20. BRBrian Redban20:37

       I think the only reason why, why a lot of people don't do it is 'cause they don't have a friend that has a bunch of Xanax that's constantly giving them Xanax or something. 'Cause I never see pills or... y- you know, I'm not around that road at all. Like, "Oh, I don't even know what a Xanax looks like," you know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:50

       Yeah.

   22. BRBrian Redban20:51

       But I bet if you- we had a friend that always had Xanax on and always was like, "Man, you want a Xanax?" You know, I bet that's how you get into it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:57

       I think somebody just tells you, "You need to relax."

   24. BRBrian Redban21:00

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:00

       You know? You're like, "I just have-

   26. BRBrian Redban21:02

       Doctor.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:02

       ... but just there's so much anxiety." I mean, the world is filled with possibility. The world is filled with danger. The world's filled with good things and bad things. I mean, there's a lot of shit going on. If you don't have some anxiety, it must be because you're just choosing to not pay attention. Like anybody who lives in New York City, you live in New York City, imagine all the shit that's going on around you all the time while you're just sitting there. You're supposed to be aware of it, just p- supposed to hope everybody keeps it together, supposed to hope everybody's cool. You're, you're in your apartment, you're on the 13th floor of a 60 floor building. (laughs) It's filled with people. There's another one right next to it. There's another one right next to that. They go all the way down the street. They're filled with people. People are fucking everywhere, and you're supposed to just be chilled out. That doesn't make no sense to me, man. I'm, I'm with you if you're nervous. (laughs) If you're anxious, you're driving in traffic every day and people are on their phones and they're not paying attention and everything you eat gives you cancer. You're not, you're not anxious? I don't understand you. You should be anxious. You know, this is the argument for not living the way we live. It's not the argument for taking a pill that kills that part of your brain that makes you anxious.

   28. BRBrian Redban22:14

       Do you audibly sigh a lot?

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:17

       Uh, mostly for humor.

   30. BRBrian Redban22:18

       Yeah.
9. 29:28 – 38:45

   Money, politics, and loopholes: corporate influence, Super PACs, and insider trading

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:28

      Tax exempt status.

   2. GUGuest29:29

      Flu shots. Flu shots.

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:30

      Tax exempt status for religions.

   4. GUGuest29:32

      (laughs) Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:34

      That, that one.

   6. GUGuest29:34

      I mean, really.

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:35

      'Cause otherwise, why can't I start a religion right now and get tax exempt status? Why can't you? You telling me Scientology can do it? How many people makes a religion? Do you have a number? Tell m- give me your number. Tell me what your numbers are. Can y- uh, what, how do you know whether or not someone's legit? How do you decide? No one should be tax exempt, especially someone who's taking in shit fucking ton piles of money. If you're a, some sort of church or whatever, and you're getting donations in the millions and millions of dollars, and you're like one of them Benny Hinn assholes out there driving a Bentley. Amazon Inc paid zero federal taxes in 2017, gets 789 million windfall from new tax law. They paid zero?

   8. GUGuest30:14

      Yeah, so like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      How does that work?

   10. GUGuest30:16

       Yeah. That kind of shit shouldn't happen either.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       That shouldn't happen either. But the idea is that a corporation... Now, this is not my idea, so don't think I'm supporting this. I have to preface this. But the idea is that corporations shouldn't pay tax because all the individuals who are making money in that corporation already pay taxes. This is the argument that I've heard and that made me go, "Oh, okay." And the argument was, why... It might have been Peter Schiff, did he say that to me?

   12. GUGuest30:43

       I don't know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       ... I don't think it was on the air. Might not have been him.

   14. GUGuest30:48

       Shit.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       Anyway, uh, sidetrack. The idea is that a corporation is not an individual, so why should it pay taxes? It's not a person, it's a conglomeration of people. Those people already pay taxes. The corporation has money that it's, that's piled up, right? And then, like, it's got a value and it's got, uh, it's on the stock market and it goes up and it goes down, and, you know, and they're always kind of looking to improve their, their bottom line and universal constant growth. But it's not a person.

   16. JVJamie Vernon31:22

       But we... (clears throat) I feel like corporations have gotten rights like people-

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       Yep.

   18. JVJamie Vernon31:27

       ... over the last 20 plus years.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       You're right.

   20. JVJamie Vernon31:29

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       They have. They've gotten rights in terms of how much they can donate to charities, to, uh, excuse me, political campaigns. And that used to be not the case. They used to have a limit, and now they are like an individual in which they can donate as much money as they want to political campaigns.

   22. JVJamie Vernon31:44

       And doesn't a corporation also act to defend itself, sort of like...

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       Yes. Can you Google that-

   24. JVJamie Vernon31:50

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       ... make sure that's true?

   26. JVJamie Vernon31:51

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       That corporations, um, they can donate as much as they want to political campaigns now. I think this, I wanna say this is, like, (sighs) during the Obama administration.

   28. JVJamie Vernon32:04

       Fucking Bama.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       Obama. Yeah, I think this was during the Obama administration. It's a disturbing one. That's a disturbing one to me, because that is a, that is a, that's a lot of influence. For someone like a Amazon, and I don't think Amazon's evil-

   30. GUGuest32:18

       What's the limit?
10. 38:45 – 48:24

    Toys 'R' Us collapse and the surprising history of iconic toys (Barbie, GI Joe, He-Man)

    1. BRBrian Redban38:45

       And that's like, unfortunately what's happened to Babies "R" Us and Toys "R" Us is that they weren't getting killed by Amazon. It was just them taking debt in and, like, th- this finance company that bought them just pretty much, you know, going crazy in debt, uh, from bad spending and-

    2. JRJoe Rogan39:02

       Oh, really?

    3. BRBrian Redban39:02

       ... like, it had nothing to do with Toys "R" Us's business. They were doing fine. It was all about the finance company that owned them.

    4. JRJoe Rogan39:07

       That's a sad thing, man. But the ... It might be a good thing for, like, mom and pop toy shores ... toy stores because here's the thing about toy stores. As a parent, kids love to go to the fucking toy store. It's a fun time. It's like, "We're going to the toy store. Woo." Like, if my kids would do something good or we would make a promise like, "Hey, if you ... We're gonna do this project and when we're done with this project, you guys can pick out a toy," so you give them, like, a work/reward type situation. Dude, they get fucking crazy. They're running down those aisles. There's all these stuffed animals and all these games, and it's an exciting place for little kids. You can't replicate that online. It's just not the same. You're looking through amazon.com or something like that, it's great that it's very convenient. You can just press, p- press one click and have it sent to your house. But for toy stores in particular, this is a colossal ... There's a, there's an opening for sure, uh, for another company.

    5. BRBrian Redban40:01

       Yeah. There's ... This is the time to start a new toy store 'cause look, look at all the toy stores are gone, like KB Toys. Remember the-

    6. JRJoe Rogan40:06

       Right.

    7. BRBrian Redban40:07

       ... in the mall that w- there was a toy store? That was bought by the company that bought Toys "R" Us, so that's gone too now. Like, all the toy stores are gone.

    8. JRJoe Rogan40:14

       There was a little place up here in Calabasas. It was a real nice, man. Real tiny little mom and pop place. They had real cool toys there. Kids used to love it, but the guy was telling me, like ... Guy or gal? Might have been a woman. I'm a sexist. (clears throat) I don't remember who it was. I'm thinking it might have been a woman though, but they were saying that ... No, it was a guy. Now I remember. He, he couldn't keep it open, um, to make money. Like, he's only doing it for fun. Th- It was because he enjoyed it. It was just barely breaking even.

    9. BRBrian Redban40:40

       But it was probably one of those toy stores where it was mostly, like, puppets and like, like, you know, educational toys, and it wasn't like GI Joes and-

    10. JRJoe Rogan40:47

        They had everything.

    11. BRBrian Redban40:48

        Oh, okay.

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:48

        They had a lot of stuff. They had regular, like, action figures for comic books and stuff like that. What are you doing?

    13. BRBrian Redban40:54

        Uh, I just wa- Uh, there's this documentary on Netflix right now called, uh, The Toys That Made Us, and it, it's very interesting. Like, you learn so much. Like, it showed the history of Barbie. Barbie started off as a hooker. Like, it was a hooker doll that-

    14. JRJoe Rogan41:07

        What?

    15. BRBrian Redban41:07

        In Germany. Um-

    16. JRJoe Rogan41:08

        Come on.

    17. BRBrian Redban41:08

        Yeah, I swear to God. Like, they, uh, th- they're-

    18. JRJoe Rogan41:11

        Um, Google, please.

    19. BRBrian Redban41:12

        Yeah. There was a-

    20. JRJoe Rogan41:13

        A history of the Barbie doll? (laughs)

    21. BRBrian Redban41:14

        There was a doll that looked exactly like Barbie that they used to ... Guys used to, like, carry around and give to w- women and it was, like, a way of, like, uh, uh, flirting with a woman. Like, "Hey, this is what I wanna see you wearing later," or, "I want you to-"

    22. JRJoe Rogan41:27

        What?

    23. BRBrian Redban41:27

        Yeah. And so this, uh, person came over to, uh, Germany and saw this doll and modeled Barbie right after this hooker doll. And so if you look at the original Barbie, th- what, what it was modeled off of, it was just, like, a creepy looking hooker chick. I'm sure you can find a picture. I'll find a picture, yeah. Uh, but this documentary is so amazing 'cause it goes through, like, all the famous things.

    24. JRJoe Rogan41:47

        What was going through your mind? Were you like, "I just definitely gotta look into the history of Barbie"?

    25. BRBrian Redban41:51

        Uh, no. It's just a documentary. It just goes, I-

    26. JRJoe Rogan41:53

        History of toys?

    27. BRBrian Redban41:54

        Yeah, uh, yeah, The Toys That Made Us. It's so good.

    28. JRJoe Rogan41:56

        Oh.

    29. BRBrian Redban41:57

        It goes through, like, He-Man and GI Joe. GI Joe is interesting because, you know, that was ... Back in the day, you know, releasing a guy doll. Like, "No, we're not gonna make no guy doll. No one's gonna play that."

    30. JRJoe Rogan42:07

        Oh, no.
11. 48:24 – 1:10:29

    Marathons, record times, and Joe’s barefoot-running manifesto

    1. BRBrian Redban48:24

       Bert was telling me about this the other day. He hired me to, like, drive him on this golf cart, uh, for this marathon, like s- in between taking Instagram photos, like... (laughs)

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:35

       You imagine?

    3. GUGuest48:36

       (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:36

       Can you imagine if that's what he found out? (laughs) It's crazy.

    5. GUGuest48:41

       (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:41

       He ran 5:33. That's pretty good.

    7. BRBrian Redban48:43

       That's pretty good.

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:44

       It's an hour slower than Oprah...

    9. GUGuest48:46

       That's all right.

    10. BRBrian Redban48:46

        But hey, he's fat.

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:47

        (laughs)

    12. BRBrian Redban48:48

        And he drinks a lot. What's interesting is like the guy that, the f- the first place guy, the guy that actually, you know, won...

    13. JRJoe Rogan48:53

        Right.

    14. BRBrian Redban48:53

        It was like two and a half hours, and it's just...

    15. JRJoe Rogan48:56

        No, no, no one's... Is it that?

    16. GUGuest48:57

        I think so.

    17. JRJoe Rogan48:58

        That can't be.

    18. BRBrian Redban48:59

        Yeah, and it's just an interesting...

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:00

        Oh, no, it's two hours that they can't break, right?

    20. GUGuest49:02

        Yeah.

    21. BRBrian Redban49:02

        They can't break two hours.

    22. GUGuest49:03

        Yeah, yeah. Yeah, close, yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:05

        I was thinking though like that was too-

    24. GUGuest49:07

        ... yeah, so like-

    25. JVJamie Vernon49:07

        To 11:46.

    26. GUGuest49:08

        To 11:11?

    27. JRJoe Rogan49:09

        That's what he did?

    28. JVJamie Vernon49:09

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan49:10

        Oh my God-

    30. GUGuest49:10

        And it, and it's insane.

Episode duration: 2:48:16