The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #1097 - Legion of Skanks
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150 min read · 30,003 words- 0:05 – 1:11
Legion of Skanks arrives: sincerity, roasting, and the “dude Disneyland” studio
- JRJoe Rogan
We got a bunch of fucking skanks in the house. (laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
Ladies and gentlemen, Legion of Skanks.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
Cheers. Very excited to get all you guys together.
- JRJoe Rogan
This was a good move, good idea. Let's, all credit to praise, praise to big J.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
All praise be due.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Fuck yeah.
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
But I'm, I'm glad. This is, uh, this is fun. A long time coming.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Fuck yeah. Thanks for having us.
- DSDave Smith
My pleasure, my pleasure.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah, very excited to be here, Mr. Rogan. Legion of Skanks in the house.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Uh, I'm gonna tell you right now, w- a- and we really mean this, this has been a, a, a very, very long time coming. All of the fans have been, uh, have been kinda looking for this moment. So this is a very, very big deal for me personally. So I wanna say thanks for having us on.
- DSDave Smith
Uh-oh, Louis is one sentence away from crying.
- JRJoe Rogan
My pleasure.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah, did you write that last night?
- LGLuis J. Gomez
What was that about?
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
We're all so big, we probably shouldn't be talking in public.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
But cheers. Cheers, gentlemen.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
I feel like you wrote that last night, Louis. "Mr. Rogan, how I spent my summer was good, and we went to the park-"
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
"... and we got to ride all the rides."
- LGLuis J. Gomez
It's true. What do you want me to say? You want me to, I, I, am I gonna sit here-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's hard to be sincere these days.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah, pretend that it's not a big deal. It's a huge deal.
- 1:11 – 2:47
Archery range dreams and the addictive “Virtual Hunt” game
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah. Yeah. This is a fucking Disneyland for dudes that we're in right now.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
We walked into a, uh, fucking, we're in a, uh, an airport hangar, and there's just bow and arrows and dead animals and pool tables and, uh, g- uh, a h- a, uh-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
BattleBots? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I f- I feel most men live lives that are very, very suppressed.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think most men, if they were left to their own devices, and someone said, "Yeah, you do whatever you want in the building." Wait a minute, I can just decide what to put in the building? Just whatever? Just put whatever in the building? You'd do the exact same shit.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Is there ever room for an archery setup? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's why one of the-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... things that I, I wanted. I wanted to make sure there was room for an indoor range.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
That was when you went to buying a place?
- JRJoe Rogan
That was a big requirement, yeah, that's why-
- DSDave Smith
That must've been a interesting conversation with the real estate agent.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they were like, "What?"
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm like, "I need, I need at least 40 yards, 40 yards and doors."
- LGLuis J. Gomez
(laughs) Did you have to get extra insurance for that?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
I said-
- JRJoe Rogan
Shh.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... "Can I virtual hunt, Dana, is it?"
- DSDave Smith
Some of them have Red Blazers.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, what?
- DSDave Smith
We have not had this request.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
That Virtual Hunt game is a very popular game, the Techno Hunt thing.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, that thing is-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
It's so cool.
- JRJoe Rogan
... so addictive. It's so addictive, though. Can give you bad habits, too. You get a little punchy with your trigger.
- 2:47 – 3:58
From superhero archery to taboo hypotheticals: the group spirals into dark moral territory
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Children, that's what I would do, just young children. "Louis, why?"
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"Why?"
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs) Yeah, yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause they don't wanna do it in real life.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
"My family's looking for me."
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
"Give me your sneakers."
- DSDave Smith
Can we upload everyone who bullied Louis in the third grade into that, to that game?
- JRJoe Rogan
Kids, kids with mean, little kids.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
That's the, uh, that's the same thing. That's like when they give the, uh, pedophiles like little, like, underage fuck dolls to try to keep them from doing it for real. So you just murder kids with a bow and arrow so you never-
- JRJoe Rogan
Do they really do that?
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah, they're out of harm now.
- DSDave Smith
They don't give it to them, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's, they're available in Asia, I think. Oh my God.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
You can buy child fuck robots.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
I think some countries.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I've heard.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
You can buy child fuck robots. Uh, not in this country, I found out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
It's a weird moral thing, though, right? Like, would you w- or would you rather have them fuck a little robot-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Right.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... in their closet somewhere 'cause, you know?
- DSDave Smith
Yeah. 'Cause your first instinct is always like, "Oh, that's horrible." But then, you're like, that's kinda like giving someone with anger issues a punching bag.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
Like, maybe it's not the worst thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, it's-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
If you want.
- 3:58 – 8:03
Sex robots, RealDolls, and Fleshlight physics (warm water included)
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, do you think that you could fuck a real doll? I mean, you definitely could if you had to. But would that be something you'd be interested in?
- DSDave Smith
I think I couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous the situation was.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
I'd rather just jerk off and think about things.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, uh-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I fucked a, uh, we had as a sponsor a fleshlight.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
A fleshlight. I've had a fleshlight forever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but a fleshlight is very utilitarian. You're not confusing yourself.
- DSDave Smith
Nobody's ever said that word before, describing-
- JRJoe Rogan
You're not like, "Oh, baby, she's the girl of my dreams."
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
But I've never even, I've never used it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Who rubs your feet.
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
I've had it forever. I've never even thought about it. I couldn't guess why I would wanna use it. It seems weird.
- JRJoe Rogan
Weird. It's weird. It feels good, though.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Does it?
- JRJoe Rogan
It feels way better than jerking off.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
It does?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's really-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Does it, really? It engulfs your whole dick.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. And you, you put it in warm water, and you get it, like, to a temperature of a body. (laughs)
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And you're like, "Whoo."
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Where it gets too real.
- JRJoe Rogan
"This is real."
- LGLuis J. Gomez
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Somehow or another, there's, like, a portal. Like, this tube is a portal to another woman in another dimension, but all you can get out is her vagina.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
(laughs)
- 8:03 – 11:05
AI fears, self-driving deaths, and the ‘racist Tesla’ riff
- JRJoe Rogan
... are we gonna do? Like, I had a podcast with Sam Harris about it, and he is terrified of, uh, AI. And he's far smarter than me.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
So whenever I talk to him about shit, I go, "Oh, okay."
- LGLuis J. Gomez
And he's terrified.
- JRJoe Rogan
I, I terrifies-
- DSDave Smith
Terrified. That's what freaks me out, is when people way smarter than me are terrified about it, like, uh, what's his name who just passed away?
- JRJoe Rogan
Elon Musk.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Oh.
- DSDave Smith
Uh, Elon Musk is terrified. Stephen Hawking's terrified.
- JRJoe Rogan
Stephen Hawking's terrified.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
But all these guys are like, "No, no, no, this is going bad." And then you're like, "Shit." Ah, sometimes they're too close to it.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
You know, I feel like some people also get too-
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... you know, bogged down to the details. When you live your life very ignorantly like I do-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... I have no fear of AI technology, guys. I'll be honest with you. (laughs) Did the self-driving Tesla already kill somebody or-
- DSDave Smith
Yes.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... uh-
- DSDave Smith
Yes, just-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... or self-driving taxi or whatever?
- DSDave Smith
... the lady. Well, she did something very reckless. She, uh, walked right into traffic, and she might have been a homeless lady. She might have been on drugs. They're not, they're not exactly sure. I don't think the results of the autopsy are out yet. But, uh, you watch the video. She basically just walks right in front of the car.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Mm-hmm.
- DSDave Smith
Like, the car is going down the road, and then she steps off.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
So a person driving wouldn't have made much difference?
- JRJoe Rogan
(inhales deeply) Maybe. (exhales) I don't know, man. I mean, it was, it's, uh, hard to tell whether or not you'd be able to react.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Well, I guess the technology is, does it ha- you know, the, the technology of stopping quick enough to not hit somebody. Yeah, they wanna make it safer, right? That's the idea.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
But I think it is, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat)
- 11:05 – 14:23
Mexico, Cabo vs. Jamaica, and how Skankfest was built like a cruise
- JRJoe Rogan
My family lives in Mexico. They've retired to Mexico. My parents did.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Really? Why to-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
To fucking chill out.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Jesse, the Body Ventura talks about Mexico. There's a lot of reference.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, people who live there... I've got a buddy of mine who's got a place in, um, Cabo, and he loves it. He loves it.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
It's okay. Cabo is a particularly douchey city. Like, I went there to do a comedy festival. And it's like straight up the worst people from... Uh, like think about the worst like 40-year-old couple from like your hometown that-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... just like fake tan assholes. A whole city-
- JRJoe Rogan
Florida.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like Florida.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
But then they all go and meet up in one town, so it's just like thousands of fucking awful people in hot ass Mexico. Um, I don't get it. I don't get any... I don't understand if you smoke weed why you would go to the Caribbean and not just go to Jamaica every single time.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is Jamaica the spot?
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Dog.I love it.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Dog.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
It's the fucking-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
He loves it.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I love it. I-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that cool?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
He's pushing it hard on me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have, have you guys done-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
If, if Lewis prefaces with dog, he's being serious.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
And I've never been. Oh, actually I was, but it was just like a stop on a cruise.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
No.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
And I didn't really go to like, the real part of it.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
You didn't experience the cruise.
- JRJoe Rogan
You guys ever thought about doing a Skanks cruise?
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah.
- 14:23 – 18:25
Ari Shaffir’s ‘fuck you money’ lifestyle and the phone-addiction trap
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but that's because of his addiction. (coughs) He's, he's definitely a minimalist, for sure. But, uh, the flip phone is a decision because he was like, the, these fucking... He sees. He's, he's a very smart guy. He's looking around at all these other people with their cell phones, looking at himself, and he's like, "Oh, that thing's just stealing your time and you're addicted to it." You know? Everyone's addicted to their phone.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah, I'm definitely, I am.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm definitely addicted to my phone.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
But the bad thing is then Ari will just text me a Googleable question-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... every now and then.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Like, he'll just want to know like, like, "What's the weather in Philly," or something. And you're like, "Ari, this is..."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
He said he mixes it up between his friends so it doesn't get too annoying to any one person.
- JRJoe Rogan
Smart.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah. <|uup|>
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a good way to handle it.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
But what's funny is if he has to listen to music, he has to carry around like an extra large iPad-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... to hold his like headphones. So that's hilar-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's weird.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's hilarious.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
He's got an iPad in the back of his, in the back of his pants.
- JRJoe Rogan
He ha- (coughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Like a fucking, like a gun.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
He like inspired... He, he's... I would have my cellphone out like at a comedy club looking at it, and Ari would literally come and take his hand and put it over the phone and be like, "Dude, what are you doing? Stop. Wait. Hang out. Talk to us." W- and it kind of inspired, it made me self-conscious-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... around other people doing it. And now, every time I see people doing it, I sort of judge them now.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
And it, it really is true. I mean, people live in their cellphone every single day and you lose the connection. People are... It sends a message like, "Fuck you, dude. This person over here is more important than the person that's sitting right in front of me."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's just the phone. Just that light is addictive. It's just-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
... addictive. Looking at the images, it's like... You know what happens when a little kid sees a TV? You ever see that?
- 18:25 – 23:46
Politics without homework: headlines, gun-policy confusion, and overmedicated kids
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you know that those is very few legit comics who are as knowledgeable? I mean, you guys have, this, uh, Dave's a very valuable resource when it comes to-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Very much so.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah, we, we make fun of him, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
... really understanding. Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
He's brilliant. Dave's, uh, he's, like, literally the only person that I know that actually reads the books, puts in the time. And, and it's kinda funny 'cause they worry people get their news. They don't really get their news. They read the headline, and then they act like they're getting their fucking news. They're not putting in the time. They're not reading the books. They're not actually going and reading a, a real newspaper or reading, you know, um, you know, legitimate-
- JRJoe Rogan
That, that should fucking piss... What pisses me off about politics, I feel like it's the only thing, where, like, if you don't, like... So if you don't, uh, if, if Louis doesn't watch basketball at all, and Jay watches every single Sixers game.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
I do, I do.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
And then there's, like, a thing coming up where, like, something about a basketball game. Louis won't just, like, start arguing with you, like, "No, no, no, they need to play this defense. They need to go into a zone." 'Cause you're like, "Yeah, I just, I don't really know about that." But for some reason, with politics-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... no matter how much anybody's not read anything, they don't know anything, they have no problem just having a hardcore, strong opinion. Like, all you-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's because also you know about it, right? So when someone's, like, super argumentative about it, like, "Oh, you're..." You're not even well informed.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Which is most of the case with people that are really super aggressive about it.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I- it seems like... I mean, dude, when they were, they had this thing where they were interviewing people at, uh, the fucking March for Life, I think they called it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
The anti-, the gun control march.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I feel, how did you feel just now? Y- well, no they were, like, all over. It was in a bunch of different cities. They hanged out at the same place.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause we were, our, our-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
We saw it, but it happened in a bunch of different cities.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
And I know the big ones were in, like, DC, and I think there was one out here-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... and, like, uh... But there was this guy just interviewing people, and he'd go around-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(coughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... and, and ask them if they, uh, if they are for an assault weapons ban. And they'd be like, "Yes." And then he'd go, "What's an assault weapon?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
And it's amazing how many people just didn't know. Now, I'm not even... Whatever your take on an assault weapon ban is, it's like, how could you be for banning something that you can't even define? That just seems bananas.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, right.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
You can't define a nuclear bomb.
- 23:46 – 32:17
Elsagate and creepy kids’ YouTube: intent, monetization, and where free speech ends
- LGLuis J. Gomez
And it's the same thing with being a parent. Parent- a lot of parents are really lazy and you- you watch it happen when they give their kid an iPad or i- you know, or you know, put them in front of the computer. That whole thing just happened with Elsagate, which was, you know, borderline hilarious that parents w- were getting trolled into their kids watching really fucked up like cartoons and shit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, Elsagate, I forgot the name of it.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the name of it. Yeah, that was crazy. We've talked about that a bunch of times, about the babies with the broken bottles over their head.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
(laughs) So fucked up.
- JRJoe Rogan
They kept having the same scene- ... would play out. Kids would get drunk, whether they were kid mice or kid-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... ducks or k- they would get drunk, a bottle would go flying through the air and hit the baby in the head and blood would be everywhere.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
It was like- it was like a baby's nightmare.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, those videos were so crazy.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I know.
- DSDave Smith
Directed by baby David Lynch.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it was a punishment for- for sh- (laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
(laughs) It was a punishment for shitty parents who weren't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... watching, you know, their kids-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... and what- what they're putting on their TV. Because if you were just paying attention for a minute, you, I'm talking about right now, you have to stop paying attention for a couple of hours for a kid to get there. So it was only really shitty parents that were dealing with that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that really true? The-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I- it's- dude, yeah, there's no way to like land on that just by googling Spider-Man. That wasn't the first thing that was coming up. It was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
... they would- I think they were like paying to get in like a loop of certain videos. Like, it was- it really- I- I was obsessed with it for like a week and I just couldn't stop going onto that subreddit page. And it was freaky, dude. It was really freaky.
- DSDave Smith
Then you went back to regular porn. (laughs)
- LGLuis J. Gomez
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Yeah, there's Spider-Man ones and all these other- and- and I think they took some of them down.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's- but then it gets to this place where you're like, "Okay, are you taking it down because it's targeting children? Are you taking it down because you can't show cartoon babies getting hit in the head with bottles?" Because if that's what you're saying, boy, there's a lot of fucking South Parks that you're not gonna be able to show.
- 32:17 – 42:52
Child marriage laws and the messy ethics of age, sex, and cultural double standards
- JRJoe Rogan
I gotta ask Jamie to Google something. What was that, um, the story recently where they were talking about child brides somewhere in some country, where they were trying to allow people to be married as young as 11. And that up until recently-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they could do that. They could be married as young as 11.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Pennsylvania.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
It's a, it's a, yeah, it's a state.
- JRJoe Rogan
Where is that?
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I'm looking it up right now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it a sh- is it, is it a state?
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Sierra Leone.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that what it is?
- LGLuis J. Gomez
There's an article I just came up from yesterday.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, that's it. What-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
It's definitely happened in the States too.
- JRJoe Rogan
... how... What, what age is it?
- LGLuis J. Gomez
The article didn't pop up, I'm trying to see it.
- JRJoe Rogan
See, what, what I'm trying to say is like that's-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Oh, here's actually-
- JRJoe Rogan
... this is obviously-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Here's actually, there's actually another for Missouri.
- JRJoe Rogan
What's in Missouri?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I saw it two hours ago. A bill to restrict child marriage in Missouri moves forward, it says.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, I didn't see that one.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Child marriage in Missouri? How old are we talking?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah, 'cause people are f- 'cause people are fighting for it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
They're like, "My baby should be able to get married at 12 years old."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
53.
- 42:52 – 49:02
JonBenét Ramsey theories, handwriting ‘science,’ and why murder houses won’t sell
- DSDave Smith
favorite theory is the brother did it by accident-
- LGLuis J. Gomez
No.
- DSDave Smith
... and then the parents tried to cover it up. But that's just my favorite documentary answer.
- JRJoe Rogan
They, they connected the handwriting, they were trying to connect the handwriting of, uh, the ransom note or whatever the fuck it was. The one, whatever note was left behind. There was a note left behind.
- DSDave Smith
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they said it was really similar to the mother's handwriting. (smacks lips) But they could, I don't think it, they made a conclusive decision about that. But that's like, what if you have normal handwriting and somebody else has normal handwriting, and they kill your kid? And now people think you killed your kid 'cause you write normal, right?
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
You, like, you gotta defend the fact that you, like, put a little curve on the end of your R?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
How good is that handwriting shit? I mean, is it that, is it that good?
I don't, I don't think so.
- DSDave Smith
And then also, you can find a handwriting expert that if you pay them enough, they'll say that it's not.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Oh, sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, right.
- DSDave Smith
That's all, like, bullshit.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I got-
- DSDave Smith
It depends on whoever you get.
- JRJoe Rogan
But there's gotta be some science behind it. There must be.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
They, there's a certain way it's, like, looped.
- DSDave Smith
Maybe
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
If you've ever, like, seen them analyze... It's, uh, I've seen, like, on documentaries (book page flips) and, like, how they analyze it. It's, like, they loop it that way, the same way.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
It's all at the same angles.
- DSDave Smith
But they will, they will use that in courts, right? But I don't think it's, like, substantial evidence. It's like polygraphs. Like, there's some science to it, but it's not like, you can't get convicted off that shit.
- LGLuis J. Gomez
I would believe anybody that passed a polygraph test. If I will-
- JRJoe Rogan
But I think you'd see it up on the screen up there. There's a JonBenét Ramsey, John Ramsey's ransom note and Patti Ramsey. And you watch how she writes and you watch how Ran- Patti, Patsy, Patsy Ramsey writes. And you're like, "Oh, yeah. Oh, this, she didn't even try to hide it."
- LGLuis J. Gomez
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, she writes the same way.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, the H's are the same. If you look at the little hook on the end of the H.
- 49:02 – 1:03:09
Ouija boards, fake martial arts, and psychics as predators (or nature’s filter)
- JRJoe Rogan
And people... I had... My m- my roommate, back when I was like 21, my buddy Jimmy DiTillio, me and him got a Ouija board once. We said, "All right, we're gonna find out if this is bullshit."
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And, uh, he's like, "You're not gonna move it, right?" And I go, "I'm not gonna move it." I go, "You're not gonna move it?" He goes, "I'm not gonna move that fucking thing," he goes, "We're gonna find out if this is bullshit." And we sat around for like an hour and 45 minutes with this fucking stupid Ouija board asking it questions-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... sitting there, looking at each other, looking down the Oui- and it wasn't even budging.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It wasn't even budging. At the end of it, my friend Jimmy, he folds everything up, stuffs it in a garbage bag, he goes, "I'm taking this piece of shit out to the trash right now."
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"Fuck this." It's... I mean, people convince themselves of everything, you know? They'll start moving that thing, like, "Oh, my God, it's going to the A." "I can't believe it's..." And the N and the D. "It's telling us something, Andy, from beyond the grave! Oh, Andy's calling us!"
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"Get the fuck outta here." It's like- it's like the same shit as that fake martial arts where they're using air- Yes! Thank you, thank you. ... to fucking knock you down. And they all just convince that it's the same shit. Thank you, thank you.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Do you think the people that, uh, that prey on them are predators? Do you think, like, the people who go, "I'm talking to you..."
- JRJoe Rogan
They're idiots too, that's the problem. They're- they're-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
But are they idiots or are they pieces of shit?
- JRJoe Rogan
They're both. There's, you got pieces of shit that some of 'em are just con artists. Some of 'em are idiots who are as fooled by it as what they're teaching. There's a lot of those.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
I- I mean, that Sylvia Brown, wasn't she the one that told the girls they found in Cleveland? Like, told one of her parents, like, she's moved onto a better place now? And...
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... like, like, like, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
They had 'em convinced-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... Stop Looking For Your Daughter was dead and she was in a fucking ad- that's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, she makes shit up.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
And now she made them stop looking for her.
- JRJoe Rogan
How different is that than religion, though? So I, you know, I can sit there and the person that's doing that o- on a dumb fucking stage... It's more personal. 'Cause religion, you are basically... You're- you- yous- you're projecting these ancient stories, right? That's what you're doing. You- you're giving lessons in these ancient stories. But when you're actually doing it to a single person, that seems way worse, right?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah, it's very focused. And also religion, people get... There are good intentions sometimes to people doing it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Those who wanna follow tradition and stuff or you grow up that way and you just kinda like... But I mean, no, that's like... That- that- that's predatory. You're looking for someone to make money by-
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a lot of good shit.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... exploiting like the worst possible thing about their life?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
That's fucking crazy.
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