Joe Rogan Experience #1097 - Legion of Skanks

Joe Rogan 0:05 We got a bunch of fucking skanks in the house. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:10 (laughs)

Dave Smith 0:10 Ladies and gentlemen, Legion of Skanks.

Luis J. Gomez 0:12 Yeah.

Dave Smith 0:13 Cheers. Very excited to get all you guys together.

Joe Rogan 0:16 This was a good move, good idea. Let's, all credit to praise, praise to big J.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:21 All praise be due.

Luis J. Gomez 0:22 Fuck yeah.

Dave Smith 0:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:22 But I'm, I'm glad. This is, uh, this is fun. A long time coming.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:26 Fuck yeah. Thanks for having us.

Dave Smith 0:27 My pleasure, my pleasure.

Luis J. Gomez 0:28 Yeah, very excited to be here, Mr. Rogan. Legion of Skanks in the house.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Yes.

Luis J. Gomez 0:32 Uh, I'm gonna tell you right now, w- a- and we really mean this, this has been a, a, a very, very long time coming. All of the fans have been, uh, have been kinda looking for this moment. So this is a very, very big deal for me personally. So I wanna say thanks for having us on.

Dave Smith 0:45 Uh-oh, Louis is one sentence away from crying.

Joe Rogan 0:47 My pleasure.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:47 Yeah, did you write that last night?

Luis J. Gomez 0:49 What was that about?

Dave Smith 0:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:49 We're all so big, we probably shouldn't be talking in public.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:52 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 0:52 (laughs)

Dave Smith 0:52 But cheers. Cheers, gentlemen.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:53 I feel like you wrote that last night, Louis. "Mr. Rogan, how I spent my summer was good, and we went to the park-"

Dave Smith 0:59 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:59 "... and we got to ride all the rides."

Luis J. Gomez 1:01 It's true. What do you want me to say? You want me to, I, I, am I gonna sit here-

Joe Rogan 1:04 It's hard to be sincere these days.

Luis J. Gomez 1:05 Yeah, pretend that it's not a big deal. It's a huge deal.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:07 Louis is rarely impressed, very unimpressed guy. He's very impressed today.

Luis J. Gomez 1:11 Yeah. Yeah. This is a fucking Disneyland for dudes that we're in right now.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:14 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 1:14 We walked into a, uh, fucking, we're in a, uh, an airport hangar, and there's just bow and arrows and dead animals and pool tables and, uh, g- uh, a h- a, uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:24 BattleBots? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:25 I f- I feel most men live lives that are very, very suppressed.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:30 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:30 I think most men, if they were left to their own devices, and someone said, "Yeah, you do whatever you want in the building." Wait a minute, I can just decide what to put in the building? Just whatever? Just put whatever in the building? You'd do the exact same shit.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:42 Is there ever room for an archery setup? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:45 That's why one of the-

Luis J. Gomez 1:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:46 ... things that I, I wanted. I wanted to make sure there was room for an indoor range.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:50 That was when you went to buying a place?

Joe Rogan 1:52 That was a big requirement, yeah, that's why-

Dave Smith 1:53 That must've been a interesting conversation with the real estate agent.

Joe Rogan 1:55 Yeah, they were like, "What?"

Big Jay Oakerson 1:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:57 I'm like, "I need, I need at least 40 yards, 40 yards and doors."

Luis J. Gomez 1:59 (laughs) Did you have to get extra insurance for that?

Big Jay Oakerson 2:01 I said-

Joe Rogan 2:01 Shh.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:01 ... "Can I virtual hunt, Dana, is it?"

Dave Smith 2:07 Some of them have Red Blazers.

Joe Rogan 2:09 Yeah, what?

Dave Smith 2:09 We have not had this request.

Luis J. Gomez 2:11 Uh-

Joe Rogan 2:11 That Virtual Hunt game is a very popular game, the Techno Hunt thing.

Luis J. Gomez 2:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Like, that thing is-

Big Jay Oakerson 2:17 It's so cool.

Joe Rogan 2:18 ... so addictive. It's so addictive, though. Can give you bad habits, too. You get a little punchy with your trigger.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:23 I do like that they have some of the, uh, animations, not the an- or the real-life things of the deer or the elk, like, they're looking at you.

Luis J. Gomez 2:31 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 2:31 They really do give you sad face, like-

Joe Rogan 2:33 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 2:33 No.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:33 ... "Can you do it?"

Joe Rogan 2:34 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:34 "Can you do it?"

Joe Rogan 2:36 Yeah. You can probably get it with other things, too, right? Like, couldn't you get it with superheroes?

Big Jay Oakerson 2:42 I don't-

Joe Rogan 2:42 Couldn't you get it like you were that archer dude from The Avengers and fucking, those monsters are coming after you? Remember?

Luis J. Gomez 2:47 Children, that's what I would do, just young children. "Louis, why?"

Big Jay Oakerson 2:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:52 "Why?"

Big Jay Oakerson 2:52 (laughs) Yeah, yes.

Joe Rogan 2:53 'Cause they don't wanna do it in real life.

Luis J. Gomez 2:54 "My family's looking for me."

Big Jay Oakerson 2:56 "Give me your sneakers."

Dave Smith 2:56 Can we upload everyone who bullied Louis in the third grade into that, to that game?

Joe Rogan 3:00 Kids, kids with mean, little kids.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:00 That's the, uh, that's the same thing. That's like when they give the, uh, pedophiles like little, like, underage fuck dolls to try to keep them from doing it for real. So you just murder kids with a bow and arrow so you never-

Joe Rogan 3:11 Do they really do that?

Luis J. Gomez 3:12 Yeah, they're out of harm now.

Dave Smith 3:12 They don't give it to them, no.

Joe Rogan 3:14 Well, it's, they're available in Asia, I think. Oh my God.

Luis J. Gomez 3:15 You can buy child fuck robots.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:16 I think some countries.

Joe Rogan 3:17 Ugh.

Luis J. Gomez 3:18 I've heard.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:21 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:21 You can buy child fuck robots. Uh, not in this country, I found out.

Joe Rogan 3:23 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 3:23 It's a weird moral thing, though, right? Like, would you w- or would you rather have them fuck a little robot-

Big Jay Oakerson 3:28 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 3:28 ... in their closet somewhere 'cause, you know?

Dave Smith 3:30 Yeah. 'Cause your first instinct is always like, "Oh, that's horrible." But then, you're like, that's kinda like giving someone with anger issues a punching bag.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:35 Yeah.

Dave Smith 3:35 Like, maybe it's not the worst thing.

Joe Rogan 3:37 Right, it's-

Big Jay Oakerson 3:37 If you want.

Joe Rogan 3:37 ... it's like you, they've got that thing, whatever it is. Like, how do you get it out?

Big Jay Oakerson 3:41 Yeah, on that little sweet, sweet, beautiful punching bag.

Dave Smith 3:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:45 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 3:45 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:46 That's so fucked up, man.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:48 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 3:48 As long as it's featureless.

Luis J. Gomez 3:49 Yeah, child fuck robots don't punch back.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:52 (laughs)

Dave Smith 3:53 You wanna, like, meet in the middle? You're like, "Okay, it's legal, but you can't name it." 'Cause it's gone too far.

Luis J. Gomez 3:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:58 Well, do you think that you could fuck a real doll? I mean, you definitely could if you had to. But would that be something you'd be interested in?

Dave Smith 4:03 I think I couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous the situation was.

Joe Rogan 4:07 (laughs)

Dave Smith 4:07 I'd rather just jerk off and think about things.

Joe Rogan 4:09 Uh, uh-

Luis J. Gomez 4:09 I fucked a, uh, we had as a sponsor a fleshlight.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:12 A fleshlight. I've had a fleshlight forever.

Joe Rogan 4:14 Yeah, but a fleshlight is very utilitarian. You're not confusing yourself.

Dave Smith 4:17 Nobody's ever said that word before, describing-

Joe Rogan 4:20 You're not like, "Oh, baby, she's the girl of my dreams."

Big Jay Oakerson 4:21 But I've never even, I've never used it.

Joe Rogan 4:24 Who rubs your feet.

Dave Smith 4:24 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:24 I've had it forever. I've never even thought about it. I couldn't guess why I would wanna use it. It seems weird.

Joe Rogan 4:28 Weird. It's weird. It feels good, though.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:30 Does it?

Joe Rogan 4:30 It feels way better than jerking off.

Luis J. Gomez 4:31 It does?

Joe Rogan 4:31 Yeah, it's really-

Luis J. Gomez 4:32 Does it, really? It engulfs your whole dick.

Joe Rogan 4:33 Yeah. And you, you put it in warm water, and you get it, like, to a temperature of a body. (laughs)

Dave Smith 4:38 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 4:39 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:41 And you're like, "Whoo."

Big Jay Oakerson 4:43 Where it gets too real.

Joe Rogan 4:44 "This is real."

Luis J. Gomez 4:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:46 Somehow or another, there's, like, a portal. Like, this tube is a portal to another woman in another dimension, but all you can get out is her vagina.

Luis J. Gomez 4:52 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:53 You just hold-

Joe Rogan 4:53 Like, that's, it feels real.

Dave Smith 4:54 The name of this dimension is called Awesome. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:57 Do you jerk off with a fleshlight-

Joe Rogan 4:58 Yes.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:58 ... or do you hold it and fuck it?

Luis J. Gomez 5:00 No, you jerk off.

Joe Rogan 5:00 No, you jerk off with it.

Luis J. Gomez 5:01 J, you jerked me off with a fleshlight.

Joe Rogan 5:03 Hey.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:03 Yeah, but that was for show.

Joe Rogan 5:04 Guys.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:05 Well, that was on camera, behind the curtain.

Joe Rogan 5:07 I thought we screened this interview.

Luis J. Gomez 5:09 (laughs)

Dave Smith 5:09 We wer- we did this on the podcast. I swear to God, he jerked me off with a fleshlight.

Joe Rogan 5:12 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 5:12 We gave this to your producer.

Dave Smith 5:13 Was it good?

Luis J. Gomez 5:13 No, I couldn't get hard.

Joe Rogan 5:15 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 5:15 Uh, there was a female comic-

Dave Smith 5:17 We did.

Joe Rogan 5:17 Whoa. What's that about?

Luis J. Gomez 5:18 Is that a fuck?

Dave Smith 5:19 It's a dog.

Joe Rogan 5:19 That's a real dog?

Big Jay Oakerson 5:20 That's a real dog.

Joe Rogan 5:20 They're getting pretty good.

Luis J. Gomez 5:22 Wow.

Joe Rogan 5:22 Man.

Dave Smith 5:23 Ew, a redhead, though.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:24 There's a documentary on Netflix-

Joe Rogan 5:25 Ew, a redhead does. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 5:25 ... about people fucking. Sex robots-

Joe Rogan 5:27 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 5:27 ... really have come far because there are people who fall in love with these sex robots, and it looks like...

Luis J. Gomez 5:33 ... the fucking taxi driver, Johnny on the spot from Total Recall. It's like- (laughs) It's crazy like-

Joe Rogan 5:38 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 5:38 ... animatronic Chuck E. Cheese bass player.

Joe Rogan 5:40 Well, it's gonna get to a point-

Luis J. Gomez 5:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:41 ... where it can totally mimic you. I mean, it's gonna get to a point where it really is like Blade Runner. Is that what they are now?

Dave Smith 5:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:47 That's the dude ones?

Luis J. Gomez 5:47 I'ma get the dude one.

Joe Rogan 5:48 I thought about buying a dude one to do jujitsu with. I was gonna order one with-

Dave Smith 5:51 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 5:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:51 ... very clearly, no dick and a sealed butthole.

Luis J. Gomez 5:57 (Laughs)

Dave Smith 5:57 (Laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:57 I was like-

Luis J. Gomez 5:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:59 ... the proportions are perfect 'cause I have a doll. It's this Bubba Dummy that you practice submissions on, but it's super stiff. It's like this. But he ba- you, you basically can drill the moves, but it's not the same as drilling it on an anatomically correct body. If you had an ama- anatomically correct body to practice jujitsu on, you'd get some fucking tight moves. You-

Luis J. Gomez 6:19 Uh, I can't-

Joe Rogan 6:19 But it could-

Luis J. Gomez 6:20 I can't wait, can't wait till the day when you're-

Joe Rogan 6:21 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 6:21 ... you're announcing for robot fights in UFC.

Dave Smith 6:24 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 6:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:24 No. I have zero interest. There's nothing at stake if they live or die. It doesn't matter. The, the whole thing about fighting is that there's s- some horrible, gigantic thing at stake.

Luis J. Gomez 6:34 Yeah.

Dave Smith 6:34 You could fuck one, though.

Joe Rogan 6:36 Yeah.

Dave Smith 6:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:36 You could fuck one. You're not gonna watch them fight. Would you watch two robots fuck? (laughs)

Dave Smith 6:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:40 I would, I would if there was like some sort of a program that they were running. I'd wanna see like what the program was.

Luis J. Gomez 6:46 How they could do... Yeah, it wouldn't be-

Joe Rogan 6:47 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 6:47 ... a jack material.

Dave Smith 6:48 Mm.

Joe Rogan 6:48 Yeah, it would li-

Luis J. Gomez 6:48 It would completely be fascination.

Joe Rogan 6:50 Yeah. They would probably talk to each other in numbers, and they would both be dudes. They would both be dudes.

Luis J. Gomez 6:54 There was one that they just made a fuck doll, right? And this, this just happened. There, there's videos of it. The robot started speaking in like a weird code to each other. These were like-

Joe Rogan 7:03 Mm.

Luis J. Gomez 7:03 ... fucking like straight up fuck dolls.

Dave Smith 7:05 Skynet, dude.

Luis J. Gomez 7:06 And they would turn them on, and then they started speaking in what seemed like a code, and people were like freaking out about this.

Joe Rogan 7:11 Oh, I know what you're talking about.

Luis J. Gomez 7:12 Like, "Come, come, come, come."

Joe Rogan 7:12 Yeah, they had these computers compu- co- they were, they were linked together, and they started communicating to each other in a language that the coders didn't understand. And, um, they shut it off. They're like, "What?"

Luis J. Gomez 7:23 (laughs)

Dave Smith 7:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:23 (laughs)

Dave Smith 7:23 They just, just simply to unplug it.

Joe Rogan 7:24 Yeah.

Dave Smith 7:25 Nope.

Joe Rogan 7:25 But they think, but I heard that my version of it that I just said might be the most spectacular version sounding, but it might not be accurate. And that what they might have gotten is like they might have got stuck in like a feedback loop and just been making gibberish.

Luis J. Gomez 7:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:40 I heard that too.

Luis J. Gomez 7:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:41 So I don't know who's right.

Luis J. Gomez 7:42 No one has confirmed yet.

Joe Rogan 7:42 I'm way too fucking stupid to know who's right.

Dave Smith 7:45 Let's just hope it's that second one-

Joe Rogan 7:47 Yes.

Dave Smith 7:47 ... and not the first one.

Luis J. Gomez 7:47 Yeah, the first one is faster.

Dave Smith 7:48 It's a more fun story. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 7:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:49 The first one sounds like a, a opening scene in a Terminator movie.

Dave Smith 7:52 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 7:52 Yeah, that's what I mean, but at the same time, the solution being like, "Don't plug that in again, man."

Joe Rogan 7:57 (laughs)

Dave Smith 7:58 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 7:58 (laughs) Yeah, man. I, I know you're gonna want to do it.

Joe Rogan 8:00 Uh...

Luis J. Gomez 8:00 I know it's just hanging right there.

Joe Rogan 8:01 Like, what, what, what the fuck-

Luis J. Gomez 8:03 Don't-

Joe Rogan 8:03 ... are we gonna do? Like, I had a podcast with Sam Harris about it, and he is terrified of, uh, AI. And he's far smarter than me.

Dave Smith 8:10 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 8:10 So whenever I talk to him about shit, I go, "Oh, okay."

Luis J. Gomez 8:13 And he's terrified.

Joe Rogan 8:14 I, I terrifies-

Dave Smith 8:14 Terrified. That's what freaks me out, is when people way smarter than me are terrified about it, like, uh, what's his name who just passed away?

Joe Rogan 8:20 Elon Musk.

Luis J. Gomez 8:20 Oh.

Dave Smith 8:20 Uh, Elon Musk is terrified. Stephen Hawking's terrified.

Joe Rogan 8:21 Stephen Hawking's terrified.

Luis J. Gomez 8:22 But all these guys are like, "No, no, no, this is going bad." And then you're like, "Shit." Ah, sometimes they're too close to it.

Joe Rogan 8:28 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 8:28 You know, I feel like some people also get too-

Joe Rogan 8:29 Maybe.

Luis J. Gomez 8:30 ... you know, bogged down to the details. When you live your life very ignorantly like I do-

Joe Rogan 8:34 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 8:34 ... I have no fear of AI technology, guys. I'll be honest with you. (laughs) Did the self-driving Tesla already kill somebody or-

Dave Smith 8:40 Yes.

Luis J. Gomez 8:40 ... uh-

Dave Smith 8:40 Yes, just-

Luis J. Gomez 8:41 ... or self-driving taxi or whatever?

Dave Smith 8:43 ... the lady. Well, she did something very reckless. She, uh, walked right into traffic, and she might have been a homeless lady. She might have been on drugs. They're not, they're not exactly sure. I don't think the results of the autopsy are out yet. But, uh, you watch the video. She basically just walks right in front of the car.

Luis J. Gomez 8:56 Mm-hmm.

Dave Smith 8:57 Like, the car is going down the road, and then she steps off.

Luis J. Gomez 8:58 So a person driving wouldn't have made much difference?

Joe Rogan 9:01 (inhales deeply) Maybe. (exhales) I don't know, man. I mean, it was, it's, uh, hard to tell whether or not you'd be able to react.

Luis J. Gomez 9:06 Well, I guess the technology is, does it ha- you know, the, the technology of stopping quick enough to not hit somebody. Yeah, they wanna make it safer, right? That's the idea.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 9:14 But I think it is, right?

Joe Rogan 9:15 (clears throat)

Luis J. Gomez 9:15 Uh, I think there's more human error when you're dealing with people drinking, smoking weed, paying attention to their cell phones. I almost would rather just trust... You know, even if there's a few deaths per year, there's way more deaths per year with, you know, people being idiots.

Dave Smith 9:28 L- Lewis just laid out the logic for why the robots are gonna take over.

Luis J. Gomez 9:30 Was the lady black?

Joe Rogan 9:31 I trust them.

Dave Smith 9:31 I trust them. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:32 Well-

Luis J. Gomez 9:33 It's a black lady, right?

Joe Rogan 9:34 I don't know.

Luis J. Gomez 9:35 It'll be funny if there's another video of her just stopping perfectly for a white woman who ran into traffic.

Joe Rogan 9:38 (laughs)

Dave Smith 9:39 (laughs) Racist, racist Tesla piece of shit.

Luis J. Gomez 9:40 Oh, racist Tesla piece of shit.

Joe Rogan 9:41 Imagine if it needs to reflect off your skin-

Dave Smith 9:42 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 9:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:42 ... to get an accurate reading. So anything, anything darker than Mediterranean-

Luis J. Gomez 9:47 Shit.

Joe Rogan 9:47 ... it just fucking runs over.

Luis J. Gomez 9:49 (laughs)

Dave Smith 9:49 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 9:49 The Tesla stops at Olive.

Joe Rogan 9:51 (laughs)

Dave Smith 9:52 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 9:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:53 It stops at Persian.

Dave Smith 9:54 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 9:55 (laughs)

Dave Smith 9:55 It turns out just through science, it has like the same racism of like the 1890s where they're like, "We'll give the Italians a pass."

Joe Rogan 10:00 Yeah.

Dave Smith 10:01 "But the rest of you guys..."

Joe Rogan 10:01 There's two different types of Mexicans. There's those Oscar De La Hoya Me- Mexicans, and then there's those other Mexicans that look like Indian, you know, essentially.

Luis J. Gomez 10:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave Smith 10:09 Where the mustache starts on the edge of the lips.

Joe Rogan 10:11 Yeah. Where would it start... where would it go with them, you know? You know, that's what the common... That's, that's what Mexico is essentially, right? It was a combination of the Native Americans and-

Luis J. Gomez 10:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:20 ... Spanish invaders.

Dave Smith 10:20 Right. Yeah, and then I think-

Luis J. Gomez 10:22 Yeah.

Dave Smith 10:22 ... and, and then the Spanish ones are like, uh, you know, they're, they're the ones who are like, look down at like the locals. But at this point, they're all kind of mixed, I think.

Joe Rogan 10:29 Yeah.

Dave Smith 10:29 But like they're still just the different shades.

Luis J. Gomez 10:30 Yeah.

Dave Smith 10:31 That's a real thing.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Well, you get Canelo Alvarez.

Dave Smith 10:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Right? Fucking redheaded Mexican dude.

Dave Smith 10:35 Redheaded white guy, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 10:36 It's very bizarre looking, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:38 (Laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 10:38 Louis C.K. is another one.

Dave Smith 10:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:39 He's a redheaded Mexican dude.

Dave Smith 10:40 Yeah, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 10:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:41 Crazy.

Luis J. Gomez 10:41 I never even think about that Louis is Mexican.

Joe Rogan 10:43 Yeah.

Dave Smith 10:43 Yeah, he should have started playing that card a lot harder after the New York Times article.

Luis J. Gomez 10:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:47 (laughs)

Dave Smith 10:48 His first... His apology letter should have been like, "Well, as a Mexican in America."

Joe Rogan 10:51 As a Mexican American.

Luis J. Gomez 10:52 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 10:52 Well, he was born in Mexico.

Luis J. Gomez 10:53 I don't want any trouble.

Dave Smith 10:55 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 10:55 You girls wanna watch me jag?

Dave Smith 10:56 I, I believe he was born in Mexico.

Joe Rogan 10:58 Yeah.

Dave Smith 10:58 I'm not sure about that though.

Luis J. Gomez 10:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:59 He's either born in Mexico or he definitely lived in Mexico.

Luis J. Gomez 11:02 Really? That's so sur- I, I would never have guessed that.

Dave Smith 11:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:05 My family lives in Mexico. They've retired to Mexico. My parents did.

Luis J. Gomez 11:09 Really? Why to-

Joe Rogan 11:10 Yeah.

Dave Smith 11:10 To fucking chill out.

Luis J. Gomez 11:11 Jesse, the Body Ventura talks about Mexico. There's a lot of reference.

Joe Rogan 11:14 Dude, people who live there... I've got a buddy of mine who's got a place in, um, Cabo, and he loves it. He loves it.

Luis J. Gomez 11:19 It's okay. Cabo is a particularly douchey city. Like, I went there to do a comedy festival. And it's like straight up the worst people from... Uh, like think about the worst like 40-year-old couple from like your hometown that-

Joe Rogan 11:32 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 11:32 ... just like fake tan assholes. A whole city-

Joe Rogan 11:35 Florida.

Luis J. Gomez 11:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 11:35 It's like Florida.

Luis J. Gomez 11:36 But then they all go and meet up in one town, so it's just like thousands of fucking awful people in hot ass Mexico. Um, I don't get it. I don't get any... I don't understand if you smoke weed why you would go to the Caribbean and not just go to Jamaica every single time.

Joe Rogan 11:49 Is Jamaica the spot?

Luis J. Gomez 11:50 Dog.I love it.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:51 Dog.

Luis J. Gomez 11:52 It's the fucking-

Big Jay Oakerson 11:52 He loves it.

Luis J. Gomez 11:53 I love it. I-

Joe Rogan 11:53 Is that cool?

Big Jay Oakerson 11:54 He's pushing it hard on me.

Joe Rogan 11:55 Have, have you guys done-

Luis J. Gomez 11:55 If, if Lewis prefaces with dog, he's being serious.

Joe Rogan 11:57 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 11:58 And I've never been. Oh, actually I was, but it was just like a stop on a cruise.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:01 No.

Luis J. Gomez 12:01 And I didn't really go to like, the real part of it.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:02 You didn't experience the cruise.

Joe Rogan 12:02 You guys ever thought about doing a Skanks cruise?

Luis J. Gomez 12:04 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:05 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 12:05 Yeah. We have.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:06 We have actually.

Joe Rogan 12:06 We should definitely do that.

Luis J. Gomez 12:08 We do our comedy festival every summer and, and we thought about doing a cr- wait, te- what's funny, the festival was influenced-

Joe Rogan 12:13 Skank Fest.

Luis J. Gomez 12:13 ... by the cruise because we did these cruises and the idea is you can't escape the, you know, the bands can't escape the fans.

Joe Rogan 12:19 (Coughs) Right.

Luis J. Gomez 12:19 They're on this cruise ship. You're hanging out the whole fucking time. So it's not like... You go to a, a comedy festival, it's in 10 different locations. It's, you're going to see a show, right?

Joe Rogan 12:27 Right, right.

Luis J. Gomez 12:28 Skank Fest is all one location. It's a party, you know, two and a half days nonstop. You're in one location, so everybody's hanging out. Everybody's drinking.

Joe Rogan 12:34 So where did you guys do it?

Luis J. Gomez 12:35 We're doing it this year at a place called Brooklyn Bazaar in, uh, in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. It's like a huge, it's an old Polish catering hall that has like four different, uh, rooms. We're gonna have three different stages going on simultaneously. It's kinda cool.

Joe Rogan 12:46 Wow. Wow.

Luis J. Gomez 12:46 Yeah, really good.

Joe Rogan 12:48 And how did Ari Shaffir get the publicity scoop?

Big Jay Oakerson 12:51 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 12:52 Because-

Joe Rogan 12:52 I believe he organized the festival, right, Lewis?

Luis J. Gomez 12:55 (laughs) He's a piece of shit.

Joe Rogan 12:55 Is that not?

Luis J. Gomez 12:56 Ha!

Joe Rogan 12:57 He, he got the scoop on you.

Luis J. Gomez 12:58 Yeah, he did.

Joe Rogan 12:59 What happened? That motherfucker.

Luis J. Gomez 13:00 No, Ari, look-

Joe Rogan 13:01 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 13:02 ... I fucking love Ari to death, but he...

Joe Rogan 13:05 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 13:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:05 How many people have said that? How many people have said that about Ari's life?

Luis J. Gomez 13:09 But-

Joe Rogan 13:09 "I love Ari to death, but he-"

Luis J. Gomez 13:10 However-

Joe Rogan 13:11 (laughs) Ooh. "He's a motherfucker." Look, he's a motherfucking geniu-

Big Jay Oakerson 13:13 Last time we did Bert Kreischer's podcast, Bert's wife hated Ari more me still.

Joe Rogan 13:17 We were talking about Ari before the podcast, that all of our friends that got fuck you money, Ari said "fuck you" the hardest.

Luis J. Gomez 13:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:23 Like, he does what he wants to do.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:26 It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 13:26 You know? It's fucking beautiful, man.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:28 Every day that I'm running around, he's like, "You want to get Indonesian food at a place somewhere?"

Luis J. Gomez 13:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:32 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 13:32 Like, "I have to do it. I have to work."

Joe Rogan 13:33 Like, Ari will go do an escape room in the middle of the day.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:36 Like, he's like playful, where I think it's like, as kids, we're all trying to grow up and, uh, you know, make money and do what we do. But I think the idea is we're all supposed to be playing. This is why I, you know, I'm joking when I say this, like a dude Disneyland, but you come in here and you create an environment to play every day. And that's like, that's success to me, right? You like get to do what you want to do every single day, play with the toys you want to play with, hang out with the people you want to play with, so.

Luis J. Gomez 13:57 And I think, I think everyone thinks, like when, when you don't have money, you think when you get money, "Yeah, that's what I'll be like." But then I've watched so many people who do get money and then they're like, "Yeah, but gotta have retirement money. Gotta make sure I have this, gotta make sure I do that." You know what I mean? And that like-

Big Jay Oakerson 14:10 Sure.

Luis J. Gomez 14:10 Ari just lives the way you thought you would have before you had it.

Joe Rogan 14:13 Yeah. He's not, he's not like flashy either. Like, he won't even buy a new car, that fuck.

Luis J. Gomez 14:18 He doesn't own an apartment. He rents.

Joe Rogan 14:20 He came to us sounding like, "God."

Big Jay Oakerson 14:20 No, he rents.

Luis J. Gomez 14:20 He's got a flip phone.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:21 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 14:22 He's got like, he's like a minimalist almost.

Joe Rogan 14:23 Yeah, but that's because of his addiction. (coughs) He's, he's definitely a minimalist, for sure. But, uh, the flip phone is a decision because he was like, the, these fucking... He sees. He's, he's a very smart guy. He's looking around at all these other people with their cell phones, looking at himself, and he's like, "Oh, that thing's just stealing your time and you're addicted to it." You know? Everyone's addicted to their phone.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:42 Yeah, I'm definitely, I am.

Joe Rogan 14:43 I'm definitely addicted to my phone.

Luis J. Gomez 14:44 But the bad thing is then Ari will just text me a Googleable question-

Big Jay Oakerson 14:47 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 14:47 ... every now and then.

Joe Rogan 14:48 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 14:48 Like, he'll just want to know like, like, "What's the weather in Philly," or something. And you're like, "Ari, this is..."

Joe Rogan 14:52 (laughs) Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 14:52 He said he mixes it up between his friends so it doesn't get too annoying to any one person.

Joe Rogan 14:56 Smart.

Luis J. Gomez 14:57 Yeah. <|uup|>

Joe Rogan 14:58 That's a good way to handle it.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:59 But what's funny is if he has to listen to music, he has to carry around like an extra large iPad-

Joe Rogan 15:03 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 15:03 ... to hold his like headphones. So that's hilar-

Joe Rogan 15:05 That's weird.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:05 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:06 That's hilarious.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:06 He's got an iPad in the back of his, in the back of his pants.

Joe Rogan 15:10 He ha- (coughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 15:10 Like a fucking, like a gun.

Luis J. Gomez 15:11 He like inspired... He, he's... I would have my cellphone out like at a comedy club looking at it, and Ari would literally come and take his hand and put it over the phone and be like, "Dude, what are you doing? Stop. Wait. Hang out. Talk to us." W- and it kind of inspired, it made me self-conscious-

Joe Rogan 15:24 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 15:24 ... around other people doing it. And now, every time I see people doing it, I sort of judge them now.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:28 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 15:29 And it, it really is true. I mean, people live in their cellphone every single day and you lose the connection. People are... It sends a message like, "Fuck you, dude. This person over here is more important than the person that's sitting right in front of me."

Joe Rogan 15:39 Well, it's just the phone. Just that light is addictive. It's just-

Big Jay Oakerson 15:43 Well-

Joe Rogan 15:43 ... addictive. Looking at the images, it's like... You know what happens when a little kid sees a TV? You ever see that?

Big Jay Oakerson 15:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Little kid walks in the room with a TV and a commercial is going on. The kid is like this, just staring at it. Because it fucks with the way you take in like visual information. There's nothing like that in the wild.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:59 There's nothing like a big screen TV in the wild, right?

Big Jay Oakerson 16:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:01 Like that image of Super Bowl on a big screen TV in HD, and you're like, "Holy shit!" And you look at all the green, look at all the guys running around, smashing into each other. It's intense. You don't get that in a real life thing unless you're about to get eaten.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:14 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 16:14 Yeah. We've like, we've evolved to take that seriously now.

Joe Rogan 16:17 Yeah. Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 16:18 Like, we've evolved to like see that and treat it like it's happening.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Like, what is that?

Big Jay Oakerson 16:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Like, this is a ca- a big cat running at you or something, right?

Luis J. Gomez 16:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:24 I mean, that's what it is. Like, but it's on your phone and you're watching YouTube videos like, "Look at all that shit moving around on my phone."

Big Jay Oakerson 16:30 (laughs) Well, also, also like the kill time of it too, where as my chick pointed out the other day, if we, if we ever sit down at a restaurant, like they'll take food to go and sit down.

Joe Rogan 16:39 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:40 How quickly I pull out like, "All right, we're playing Family Feud."

Joe Rogan 16:43 Instantly. Yeah. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 16:43 Like, so it's not even just re- re- like, uh, pulling back into my phone, but it's still-

Joe Rogan 16:48 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:48 ... part of like the, "Let's do something."

Joe Rogan 16:50 Right, right, right.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:51 Does anybody have a topic? No?

Joe Rogan 16:52 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:52 All right, then let's talk about... (laughs) let's just play Family Feud.

Luis J. Gomez 16:54 It gives you, you, like give yourself ADD in a weird way.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:57 Yes.

Luis J. Gomez 16:57 You end up... You make it even worse. A- and I live in New York City, we all do, and like they're sort of doing, um, like little signs in the subway that let you know how long it is before the subway is going to come. And that's pretty new. Um, when I first moved there in 2001, you would just go and be like, "Dude, I might be here for 30 minutes. I might be here for two minutes. Who knows when the next subway is gonna come?" But now if a subway sign is broken, I can't wait on that platform. I've gotta get up and leave and get a taxi or whatever, because I'll lose my mind just wondering when that cav is gonna come.

Joe Rogan 17:24 Whereas before, you would just chill out and wait.

Luis J. Gomez 17:26 Yeah. 'Cause you had to. You didn't have the option to. So now I feel like-

Joe Rogan 17:28 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 17:28 ... you have that option to be on your phone at all times, distract yourself. Used to take a shit and, you know, I used to have a bathroom reader. It was my favorite thing in the world. It was little facts, like thousands of them in this fat book that you just, it was covered in shit stains every... (laughs) But it was a fucking book you had in the bathroom and it was called Uncle John's Bathroom Reader. And it was just basically Snapple facts about everything in the world, and they had like 20 editions. And it was the coolest thing in the world. But now you have your cellphone, so you-

Joe Rogan 17:52 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 17:52 ... you don't need it.

Joe Rogan 17:54 Right. But how do you... There's, like, certain shit you wanna know that's going on in the world, so how do you check in on that? Do you just do it from a computer? Or, like, when you wanna read the news, like, I don't know how, how do you get your news?

Luis J. Gomez 18:06 Oh, I, I'm on the laptop-

Joe Rogan 18:07 Dave.

Luis J. Gomez 18:08 ... and on the phone all the time. And yeah, and then I just tell these guys what they need to know. Yeah, I send Dave a message.

Big Jay Oakerson 18:12 He, he fills us in.

Joe Rogan 18:12 You just go da-, get it straight from Dave?

Big Jay Oakerson 18:13 Trump, bad.

Luis J. Gomez 18:15 Yeah. Yeah, but I'm on-

Big Jay Oakerson 18:15 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 18:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:16 Rand Paul, decent guy.

Big Jay Oakerson 18:18 Everyone, everyone bad, really come down to it.

Joe Rogan 18:22 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 18:22 Taxes are theft. (laughs) You guys, I'm very proud of both of them.

Joe Rogan 18:25 Do you know that those is very few legit comics who are as knowledgeable? I mean, you guys have, this, uh, Dave's a very valuable resource when it comes to-

Big Jay Oakerson 18:32 Very much so.

Luis J. Gomez 18:33 Yeah, we, we make fun of him, but-

Joe Rogan 18:33 ... really understanding. Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 18:35 He's brilliant. Dave's, uh, he's, like, literally the only person that I know that actually reads the books, puts in the time. And, and it's kinda funny 'cause they worry people get their news. They don't really get their news. They read the headline, and then they act like they're getting their fucking news. They're not putting in the time. They're not reading the books. They're not actually going and reading a, a real newspaper or reading, you know, um, you know, legitimate-

Joe Rogan 18:53 That, that should fucking piss... What pisses me off about politics, I feel like it's the only thing, where, like, if you don't, like... So if you don't, uh, if, if Louis doesn't watch basketball at all, and Jay watches every single Sixers game.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:04 I do, I do.

Luis J. Gomez 19:04 And then there's, like, a thing coming up where, like, something about a basketball game. Louis won't just, like, start arguing with you, like, "No, no, no, they need to play this defense. They need to go into a zone." 'Cause you're like, "Yeah, I just, I don't really know about that." But for some reason, with politics-

Big Jay Oakerson 19:15 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 19:16 ... no matter how much anybody's not read anything, they don't know anything, they have no problem just having a hardcore, strong opinion. Like, all you-

Joe Rogan 19:23 Well, it's because also you know about it, right? So when someone's, like, super argumentative about it, like, "Oh, you're..." You're not even well informed.

Luis J. Gomez 19:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:31 Which is most of the case with people that are really super aggressive about it.

Luis J. Gomez 19:35 I- it seems like... I mean, dude, when they were, they had this thing where they were interviewing people at, uh, the fucking March for Life, I think they called it.

Joe Rogan 19:41 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 19:41 The anti-, the gun control march.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 19:42 I feel, how did you feel just now? Y- well, no they were, like, all over. It was in a bunch of different cities. They hanged out at the same place.

Joe Rogan 19:47 'Cause we were, our, our-

Luis J. Gomez 19:47 We saw it, but it happened in a bunch of different cities.

Joe Rogan 19:49 Okay.

Luis J. Gomez 19:49 And I know the big ones were in, like, DC, and I think there was one out here-

Joe Rogan 19:52 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 19:52 ... and, like, uh... But there was this guy just interviewing people, and he'd go around-

Big Jay Oakerson 19:55 (coughs)

Luis J. Gomez 19:55 ... and, and ask them if they, uh, if they are for an assault weapons ban. And they'd be like, "Yes." And then he'd go, "What's an assault weapon?"

Joe Rogan 20:02 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 20:02 And it's amazing how many people just didn't know. Now, I'm not even... Whatever your take on an assault weapon ban is, it's like, how could you be for banning something that you can't even define? That just seems bananas.

Joe Rogan 20:13 Well, right.

Luis J. Gomez 20:13 You can't define a nuclear bomb.

Joe Rogan 20:13 But then no, but hold on a second. Yeah, exactly. Like, they know that this is what it does. They, they know it's, it's a rifle that shoots people. It's like a semi-automatic. It's not a hunting gun. It's a rifle that's designed to shoot people, like in a military situation.

Luis J. Gomez 20:28 Sure.

Joe Rogan 20:28 That's what it looks like. So they're wrong. I mean, like, they don't know what an AR-15 versus an AR whatever versus... Like, what, what's legal, what's semi-automatic, what's...

Luis J. Gomez 20:35 Well, it's-

Joe Rogan 20:35 They don't know all the details, but they do know that these are guns that you kill people with.

Luis J. Gomez 20:40 Okay, sure. F- fair enough. But I feel like there's, like, a thing where they'll be like, "W- we're for a ban on semi-automatic weapons."

Joe Rogan 20:45 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 20:45 And they'll be like, "So you wanna ban handguns too?" And they're like, "No, we don't wanna ban handguns."

Joe Rogan 20:47 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 20:48 And you're like, but lots of-

Joe Rogan 20:49 That's a semi-automatic.

Luis J. Gomez 20:49 ... handguns are semi-automatic weapons.

Joe Rogan 20:50 Yeah, some of them.

Luis J. Gomez 20:50 It's just like-

Joe Rogan 20:51 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 20:51 ... if you're gonna protest, read a book on it.

Joe Rogan 20:54 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 20:54 I'm not... It's not just having a passive opinion. You're, like, out marching.

Joe Rogan 20:57 No, I agree.

Luis J. Gomez 20:57 I think they wanna, you know, they wanna move the ball down the field though, and the more people that come out... They have kids literally s-, you know, kids that are in the fifth grade walking outta their classrooms. They don't fucking know what they're talking about or what they're doing in their classroom.

Joe Rogan 21:07 Yeah, that's for sure.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:07 Hey, man, sometimes there's a girl with armpit hair you wanna fuck. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 21:11 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 21:11 That's true.

Joe Rogan 21:11 How many of these people-

Big Jay Oakerson 21:12 You gotta thread a couple of armpi- opinions you don't mean. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 21:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:15 Yeah, that's true. Or dirty, hairy feet. Those girls with the hairy toes.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:19 Um, but, I mean, but how many of these kids... This is a big one. How many of these kids are, are against putting kids on psychotropic drugs?

Luis J. Gomez 21:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:27 Putting, putting kids on unnecessary psychiatric medications. Parents dope their kids up all the time 'cause they don't wanna deal with some hyperactive kid, some kid who's got some fucking power, some energy.

Luis J. Gomez 21:38 Dude, I saw a guy-

Joe Rogan 21:39 He wants to bounce off the walls.

Luis J. Gomez 21:40 ... on, I was in, uh, we were in Brea the other day. Right before the show, we did. And there was a kid. I mean, he, the kid must've had autism or, or something, or some extreme case of it. Uh, but he was like, you know, m-, he, he was having some sort of violent episode, I'm assuming. But it was just a dad, like calm as day, just sitting on a corner with his kid, with the kid face down as the kid's, like, screaming and shaking and kicking his arms and legs. And the dad's just holding the kid down. And it was so hard to watch. Like, I almost wanted to say something.

Joe Rogan 22:05 Mmm.

Luis J. Gomez 22:05 Like, I didn't know, I- I- I ...

Joe Rogan 22:07 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 22:07 They don't ever really, like, tell you what to do. Like, what's going on in that situation.

Joe Rogan 22:11 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 22:12 And I, I kinda watched it for a minute 'cause it looked like the, he was abusing the kid for a second. But then you kinda realize after, like, oh, this kid was gonna, like, hurt himself-

Joe Rogan 22:18 Right, right.

Luis J. Gomez 22:18 ... or whatever it was. But that's, like, a, that's, like, a really, really hard thing. Yeah, I can, I can accept more in the real extreme cases where kids have, like, sev- severe, severe problems. But it seems like they're just happy to, like, anyone's, like, hyperactive.

Joe Rogan 22:31 Yeah, well-

Luis J. Gomez 22:31 Just this kind of loose thing.

Joe Rogan 22:32 It's not a-

Luis J. Gomez 22:33 Give 'em Adderall.

Joe Rogan 22:33 ... it's not a one or a zero, right? It's like, there's, there's varying stages of issues that kids are gonna have. And some kids are gonna need some kinda medication. But they're definitely overprescribing. Definitely. I knew a, my, my neighbor had a kid. (coughs) There was nothing wrong with him. He's just a fucking kid. And they, they put him on Ritalin.

Dave Smith 22:51 Yeah. Like, you take-

Luis J. Gomez 22:52 That's a lot.

Dave Smith 22:52 ... you take Adderall as an adult, Adderall's a drug, man.

Joe Rogan 22:54 Yeah.

Dave Smith 22:54 Like it's- that's- that's-

Joe Rogan 22:55 So prevalent.

Dave Smith 22:55 Yeah, yeah, that's- it's not a joke.

Luis J. Gomez 22:57 I give it to my five-year-old. We, we snort it together. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:59 (laughs) It's just, if- if people don't get enough attention or they don't have an outlet and they d- don't know what to do with themselves, they get wacky. It doesn't mean you need to give them drugs.

Dave Smith 23:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Some- some of these people have legitimate issues and they probably do need medication. And some of these people just need to find something that's interesting in life.

Dave Smith 23:18 Yeah. Well, I think-

Joe Rogan 23:18 You know?

Dave Smith 23:18 ... uh, on what you were saying before about like why don't these kids look into that stuff, I think a lot of times it's just like people want the simple thing.

Joe Rogan 23:24 Yeah.

Dave Smith 23:25 And you don't- you gotta actually- this is a really difficult question to get into this stuff. Whereas if you're just like, "Oh, I'm against guns. That's easy." I think it's the same thing as when people are just offended. It- it's like you don't really have to like read a lot, you don't have to know a lot.

Joe Rogan 23:36 Oh, yeah.

Dave Smith 23:36 It's just easy to be-

Joe Rogan 23:37 Yeah.

Dave Smith 23:37 ... right and you've got the answer.

Joe Rogan 23:39 Yeah, it's laziness.

Dave Smith 23:40 And it's, "I'm offended."

Luis J. Gomez 23:40 People can just pick a side very easily and go, "Cool, everyone's already defined what's on that side so yeah, I'm on that side. Look, I did my work," right?

Joe Rogan 23:46 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 23:46 And it's the same thing with being a parent. Parent- a lot of parents are really lazy and you- you watch it happen when they give their kid an iPad or i- you know, or you know, put them in front of the computer. That whole thing just happened with Elsagate, which was, you know, borderline hilarious that parents w- were getting trolled into their kids watching really fucked up like cartoons and shit.

Joe Rogan 24:03 Yeah, Elsagate, I forgot the name of it.

Luis J. Gomez 24:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:05 That's the name of it. Yeah, that was crazy. We've talked about that a bunch of times, about the babies with the broken bottles over their head.

Luis J. Gomez 24:11 (laughs) So fucked up.

Joe Rogan 24:11 They kept having the same scene- ... would play out. Kids would get drunk, whether they were kid mice or kid-

Luis J. Gomez 24:17 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:17 ... ducks or k- they would get drunk, a bottle would go flying through the air and hit the baby in the head and blood would be everywhere.

Luis J. Gomez 24:23 Yeah.

Dave Smith 24:24 It was like- it was like a baby's nightmare.

Joe Rogan 24:25 Dude, those videos were so crazy.

Luis J. Gomez 24:27 I know.

Dave Smith 24:28 Directed by baby David Lynch.

Joe Rogan 24:32 And it was a punishment for- for sh- (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 24:32 (laughs)

Dave Smith 24:32 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 24:32 (laughs) It was a punishment for shitty parents who weren't-

Joe Rogan 24:34 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 24:34 ... watching, you know, their kids-

Joe Rogan 24:35 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 24:35 ... and what- what they're putting on their TV. Because if you were just paying attention for a minute, you, I'm talking about right now, you have to stop paying attention for a couple of hours for a kid to get there. So it was only really shitty parents that were dealing with that.

Joe Rogan 24:46 Is that really true? The-

Luis J. Gomez 24:47 I- it's- dude, yeah, there's no way to like land on that just by googling Spider-Man. That wasn't the first thing that was coming up. It was-

Joe Rogan 24:53 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 24:53 ... they would- I think they were like paying to get in like a loop of certain videos. Like, it was- it really- I- I was obsessed with it for like a week and I just couldn't stop going onto that subreddit page. And it was freaky, dude. It was really freaky.

Dave Smith 25:04 Then you went back to regular porn. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 25:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:09 (laughs) Yeah, there's Spider-Man ones and all these other- and- and I think they took some of them down.

Luis J. Gomez 25:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:14 But it's- but then it gets to this place where you're like, "Okay, are you taking it down because it's targeting children? Are you taking it down because you can't show cartoon babies getting hit in the head with bottles?" Because if that's what you're saying, boy, there's a lot of fucking South Parks that you're not gonna be able to show.

Dave Smith 25:31 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:31 There's a lot- a lot of- a lot of different things you're not gonna be able to show.

Dave Smith 25:33 Yeah, where's the line?

Joe Rogan 25:34 So yeah, where's- is the line because you think this is like creepy and it's luring kids in versus the- just the act of it was a funny, you know, Tim and Eric sketch.

Dave Smith 25:43 Sure.

Joe Rogan 25:43 And a cartoon baby got hit in the head with a bottle. You'd be like, "What the fuck? These guys are nuts." That's what you would say.

Dave Smith 25:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:49 But you wouldn't be like saying, "This has gotta be removed off of YouTube."

Luis J. Gomez 25:52 Yeah, it's hard to actually define-

Dave Smith 25:54 It's the intention. It's like what's the intention of it?

Luis J. Gomez 25:54 ... that. Because you-

Joe Rogan 25:55 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 25:55 ... but you could easily say like, "Oh, well South Park is a cartoon."

Joe Rogan 25:57 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 25:57 So it's that appealing to kids, but I think to Lewis' point, the- the solution isn't that this shit needs to be banned. The solution is just like let parents know.

Joe Rogan 26:04 Be a better parent. It's like you gotta be on top of it.

Luis J. Gomez 26:05 By the way, that's probably always the solution-

Dave Smith 26:06 Yeah, really.

Luis J. Gomez 26:07 ... with almost every single thing we talk about.

Joe Rogan 26:09 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 26:09 It's fucking-

Dave Smith 26:09 What's the, uh- Lewis, what was the other one we watched?

Luis J. Gomez 26:11 Oh, the father, yeah.

Dave Smith 26:12 The father of the two kids and it's really just creepy as shit.

Luis J. Gomez 26:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:16 Did it happen?

Luis J. Gomez 26:17 All right, so this guy was-

Dave Smith 26:17 It's another like one of those like that- that kids are watching that- that if you watch it for a second you're like, "This is all fucked up."

Luis J. Gomez 26:22 They pulled it off. It was a dad and his channel... I'm- I'm- I'm sorry, I forget the name of the channel, but he had his two little girls who were probably seven and nine years old and they were doing like just kind of weird shit, dude. They were like eating chocolate bars and there'd be chocolate all over their face and it, you know, they'd make weird sounds. And they'd climb up like, you know, stairs and they'd show it from like behind their butt and it was very fucking pedophilic. I don't even know.

Dave Smith 26:44 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 26:44 Uh, it was fucked up, dude. And this guy's channel got taken down and the guy's like doing interviews like, "No, dude, whatever we..." And, but- and also millions of subscribers to the channel making tons of money, paying for his house with this channel.

Joe Rogan 26:55 Whoa. And they shut the whole channel down?

Luis J. Gomez 26:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:57 And what did he say when they interviewed him?

Luis J. Gomez 26:58 I don't know. I read something when it was just kind of like, "Yeah, we're trying to get our channel back," and you know, he was just like very innocent.

Dave Smith 27:04 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 27:04 There was another thing the same.

Dave Smith 27:05 "I guess I'll fuck them on my own time."

Joe Rogan 27:08 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 27:09 (laughs)

Dave Smith 27:09 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 27:09 I gotta go to Vimeo.

Dave Smith 27:10 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 27:12 Um, but the same... and when we were talking about this stuff, there was moms, they were regular like mom bloggers, right? And they bring like their daughter to Kmart, right? This is the channel, by the way.

Joe Rogan 27:22 YouTube terminates toy freak's channel amid broader crackdown on disturbing kids content. Okay.

Dave Smith 27:29 It is very like what Jay said, it's a very David Lynch type vibe, like you feel like you're in some nightmare world where-

Joe Rogan 27:35 Yeah.

Dave Smith 27:35 ... everyone's just acting not the right human way.

Joe Rogan 27:38 They had 8.5 million subscribers.

Dave Smith 27:40 Great ass cookie cake.

Luis J. Gomez 27:41 They have one of those gold plaques that you have? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:43 Yeah, look at that shit.

Dave Smith 27:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:45 Amongst the top most 100 most viewed channels on YouTube. That's incredible.

Luis J. Gomez 27:51 And they-

Dave Smith 27:51 Wow.

Luis J. Gomez 27:51 ... all have pacifiers in their mouth. Like, dude, it's fucking bizarre. You gotta see the videos.

Dave Smith 27:55 They somehow got- they somehow got to that level before-

Joe Rogan 27:57 Can we watch some of this?

Luis J. Gomez 27:58 Yeah, I th- yeah-

Joe Rogan 27:59 We can't show it. We can't show it on TV. Can we watch it? Is there a way? Sure. We cannot see it? I can try.

Luis J. Gomez 28:05 We're about to get raided.

Joe Rogan 28:06 You could what? Oh, fine. You figured it out? Okay. Yeah, don't- but no, the problem is whenever we put something on YouTube that shouldn't be on YouTube, we get flagged.

Dave Smith 28:15 Wow.

Luis J. Gomez 28:16 Um, this- there was like mommy bloggers and they would like have a video of them and their daughter going to like the supermarket and there'd be like 500 views.

Joe Rogan 28:22 Yeah, don't do it, Jamie. If- if they- No, I'm not playing with it. I was thinking of YouTube flags it. I'm not playing with it. It's just for us to see it. Okay. Oh, okay. Just so no one else can see it. Yeah, it's not on our website. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. I'm sorry, Lewis. What?

Luis J. Gomez 28:32 Okay, so yeah, so then- and then they do another... the same mommy blogger would do one called bath time and she's like bathing her five-year-old. And it's not anything like more than her like sitting in the bathtub, but those videos were getting millions of views. And then the mom would like disable the comments and turn off the thumbs up and the thumbs downs.

Joe Rogan 28:49 Whoa.

Luis J. Gomez 28:49 So they were just monetizing, you know, pedophiles jerking off to their daughters in the bathtub.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Oh, Jesus.

Luis J. Gomez 28:54 And it was- this is just like a whole subculture that was happening on YouTube that was sort of just nobody was really talking about it and they kind of made it go away. It wasn't even a big deal.

Joe Rogan 29:03 So this, I'm watching this, it's not disturbing at all. It's just dumb. They're just eating weird food and-

Luis J. Gomez 29:10 No.

Joe Rogan 29:10 ... and, and getting, like, whipped cream and ice cream and cake and nachos all together.

Luis J. Gomez 29:17 Well, here's what happens, babies, this is really targeted toward babies. They like the colors. So what happen, uh, like, they see these flashing crazy colors, them unpackaging candy and cake and eating cake. And two-year-olds love this shit, they keep on clicking on it. But pedophiles are also jerking off to these girls putting chocolate bananas in their mouths.

Joe Rogan 29:34 Oh, right.

Luis J. Gomez 29:35 So that was sort of the issue.

Joe Rogan 29:36 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 29:36 So they got... You know, 'ca- the, the parents will subscribe to whatever, 'cause the kids ju- they wanna put, uh, their kid in front of a TV and have the TV babysit them. Um, but it was also another big part of the people who were watching this, you see the comments, and some- sometimes the comments were, like, encrypted and, like, in different languages and they were using code words.

Joe Rogan 29:52 Oh, they're using that Pizzagate shit.

Luis J. Gomez 29:53 Dude, yeah, dude, it's-

Joe Rogan 29:55 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 29:55 ... it's all connected. I'm... It's fucking crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:56 Also, if you make a big complaint though about something you have to draw a conclusion to, it really makes it seem like you're the person thinking that.

Luis J. Gomez 30:04 You're like, "Come on, you don't think that's hot?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:05 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 30:06 I mean, "You wouldn't wanna jerk off to this? Come on, we're all jerking off to this thing."

Joe Rogan 30:10 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 30:10 Who didn't jerk off to that little girl eating a chocolate banana?

Joe Rogan 30:12 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 30:12 "Was that a Cheeto with sour cream on it?" Mm, I'll jerk off to anybody eating that.

Luis J. Gomez 30:16 (laughs) You're just in it for the food.

Joe Rogan 30:18 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 30:19 You're like, "Get these kids out of here." Oh, they have family I didn't notice.

Joe Rogan 30:22 When do you, when do you say what can and can't be on TV though? Or on video or on... You know, when do you say?

Luis J. Gomez 30:29 They're going to one day.

Joe Rogan 30:30 We have this... But... I- I know, right, but who's they? Right? 'Cause we've all, we've all got this weird thing about free speech, 'cause if it wasn't for free speech, we wouldn't be able to do anything. Wouldn't be able to do podcasts, wouldn't be able to do-

Luis J. Gomez 30:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:41 ... comedy. You'd get in trouble for everything. Look, it's very important to be able to express your ideas. But what if those ideas are you're a... What if you're a pedophile? Like, what if... Is... What about that? Are you allowed to do pedophile anime? Like, how... What... Where's the l- where's the line? And why, why are we able to draw that line? You know?

Luis J. Gomez 30:59 If I draw a dick right now, and I will-

Joe Rogan 31:01 Draw a dick. Where's a-

Luis J. Gomez 31:02 Here's a dick. Now, if I say this is a four-year-old's dick-

Joe Rogan 31:06 Okay, there you go.

Luis J. Gomez 31:06 Am I committing a crime?

31:07 Well, am I committing a problem?

Joe Rogan 31:08 Well, let me just say, that four-year-old's got a big dick.

Luis J. Gomez 31:10 He's got a giant dick.

31:11 Not bad.

Joe Rogan 31:11 I saw a little kid-

Luis J. Gomez 31:12 That boy is gonna be a happy man as soon as-

Big Jay Oakerson 31:13 It's okay, I'm gonna s- I'm gonna put a four-year-old pussy around it and so it'll be fine. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:16 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 31:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:18 Too soon. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 31:20 (laughs) Yeah, but you ra- you raised a really good question.

Joe Rogan 31:22 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 31:22 It's like, I think the way it's working now is it's kind of whatever YouTube decides or Facebook decides 'cause-

Joe Rogan 31:26 And culturally we decide, right?

Luis J. Gomez 31:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:28 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:28 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 31:28 And, and like they'll have these kind of, like, vague policy guidelines, but then you'll see some people violate it and it's not a problem. But if it's a message that they don't like, then that seems to be the one that gets taken off. I just... I don't know, man, it's hard. I- I honestly... I'm... I would defend free speech toward anything. Like, I don't care what you're saying.

Joe Rogan 31:46 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 31:46 Unless you're, like, inciting violence. Just legally speaking, I defend it. Like, you gotta be allowed to say anything. Even if it's like, "I wanna fuck kids," or something that's really disgusting like that. As long as you're not actually fucking kids, you're not doing anything, I, uh, y- you gotta have free speech.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:58 What... Do you, do you think you should always employ your free, uh, ability for free speech though? Like, sometimes you just don't? You- you know what I mean?

Luis J. Gomez 32:03 Oh, no, of course.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:04 Yeah, of course.

Luis J. Gomez 32:04 There's lots of things you shouldn't say.

Joe Rogan 32:05 Yeah. Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 32:05 I mean, in the workplace it's different. That's not like a park. You should... Here's the thing. I think in our, in our lifetime, there's gonna be words that are banned that you're not gonna be able to say in public spaces, like parks and shit like that.

Joe Rogan 32:13 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 32:14 Um, I think-

Big Jay Oakerson 32:14 You can't say parks?

Luis J. Gomez 32:16 You don't have to be able to say parks. Yeah, it's gonna be... That's one of the words.

Joe Rogan 32:17 I gotta ask Jamie to Google something. What was that, um, the story recently where they were talking about child brides somewhere in some country, where they were trying to allow people to be married as young as 11. And that up until recently-

Big Jay Oakerson 32:31 Oh.

Joe Rogan 32:31 ... they could do that. They could be married as young as 11.

Luis J. Gomez 32:34 Pennsylvania.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:35 It's a, it's a, yeah, it's a state.

Joe Rogan 32:37 Where is that?

Luis J. Gomez 32:39 I'm looking it up right now.

Joe Rogan 32:40 Is it a sh- is it, is it a state?

Luis J. Gomez 32:41 Sierra Leone.

Joe Rogan 32:42 Is that what it is?

Luis J. Gomez 32:43 There's an article I just came up from yesterday.

Joe Rogan 32:45 Yes, that's it. What-

Big Jay Oakerson 32:47 It's definitely happened in the States too.

Joe Rogan 32:48 ... how... What, what age is it?

Luis J. Gomez 32:52 The article didn't pop up, I'm trying to see it.

Joe Rogan 32:54 See, what, what I'm trying to say is like that's-

Luis J. Gomez 32:56 Oh, here's actually-

Joe Rogan 32:56 ... this is obviously-

Luis J. Gomez 32:57 Here's actually, there's actually another for Missouri.

Joe Rogan 32:59 What's in Missouri?

Big Jay Oakerson 32:59 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 33:00 I saw it two hours ago. A bill to restrict child marriage in Missouri moves forward, it says.

Joe Rogan 33:03 Oh, I didn't see that one.

Luis J. Gomez 33:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:05 Child marriage in Missouri? How old are we talking?

Big Jay Oakerson 33:06 Yeah, 'cause people are f- 'cause people are fighting for it.

Joe Rogan 33:09 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:09 They're like, "My baby should be able to get married at 12 years old."

Joe Rogan 33:11 Yeah, but-

Luis J. Gomez 33:12 53.

33:12 Yeah, yeah. Once you get married, nobody's having sex anymore, so...

Joe Rogan 33:14 No, it's... It's all the fucking parents' idea. It's not little kids clamoring to get married.

Luis J. Gomez 33:19 It's a 15...

Joe Rogan 33:19 Bill to restrict child marriage in Missouri moves forward. Whoa, (laughs) how old do they... A 15-year-old.

Luis J. Gomez 33:25 Yep.

Joe Rogan 33:25 Wow! The only state that requires only signature of one parent for a 15-year-old to marry has made the state a popular destination for child brides.

Luis J. Gomez 33:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:36 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 33:36 (laughs)

33:36 It's like a-

Joe Rogan 33:37 Oh my God, that is so crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:38 Bring your child bride.

Joe Rogan 33:39 So true.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:39 To the best child bride getaway-

Joe Rogan 33:41 That's so crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:42 ... in all of Missouri.

Luis J. Gomez 33:43 Well, in Missouri's defense, that's the only time they've ever been referred to as a popular destination.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:47 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 33:47 So they're, they're doing what they can to attract tourists.

Joe Rogan 33:49 Yeah, that's dark.

Luis J. Gomez 33:51 Yeah, that's a-

Joe Rogan 33:52 That's dark.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:52 That's those places where, like, you know, professions are, like, moss-gathering and-

Joe Rogan 33:56 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 33:57 ... making some sort of sap juice.

Joe Rogan 34:00 But you- You don't, um, like, you can't marry a 15-year-old though. They can marry each other.

Luis J. Gomez 34:05 I'd imagine it's statutory rape, right?

Joe Rogan 34:07 Yeah, it would have to be.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:07 If you're... Is that what it is?

Joe Rogan 34:08 You know there was a state where male to female, the girl had to be 18, but male to male, the boy only had to be 13.

Luis J. Gomez 34:18 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 34:19 It was one of the-

Luis J. Gomez 34:19 That's a little bit too big of a gap.

Joe Rogan 34:21 It was one of the states where they were-

Luis J. Gomez 34:23 Over-populated.

Joe Rogan 34:23 ... sending pedophiles. The Catholic Church was sending pedophiles. God, I wanna say it's New Mexico. 'Cause I think New Mexico had some super fucking squirrelly laws. Hundreds of childhood brides in Arizona. Wow.

Luis J. Gomez 34:38 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:38 Arizona has child brides?

Luis J. Gomez 34:39 That's fucked up.

Joe Rogan 34:41 Um, the only st-

Big Jay Oakerson 34:41 There's a bum, there's a bum fuck of every state.

Joe Rogan 34:43 I don't know how to Google this, uh, 'cause I think that is one of those states. I wanna say it's New Mexico, but it might not have been.

Luis J. Gomez 34:49 Oh.

Joe Rogan 34:49 Where you... The male could be 18, or the male could be, uh, 13.... man, Jamie's computer is just gonna have the most fucked up search history after this. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 34:58 I know, yeah. I, I throw this away. I need a new computer after this.

Luis J. Gomez 34:59 (laughs) Where can I find a 13-year-old boy to marry?

Big Jay Oakerson 35:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:02 In the... How about, what about male to female? Shouldn't that be different? Like, a, like-

Big Jay Oakerson 35:06 I kind of like-

Joe Rogan 35:07 ... boy to girl, meaning, like, woman to, to 14-year-old kid? I do... I think that's kinda different. I, I don't know. I don't-

Big Jay Oakerson 35:14 It's way different.

Joe Rogan 35:14 Like, it's like the, the dogma of like there's no difference between the sexes or shit like that, (snaps fingers) it, it is ridiculous. And then like, I don't, I definitely don't think... I'm not saying it's cool, but when you hear about some hot chick teacher who was fucking her teenage students, I definitely don't look at that the same way that I look at some dude who's fucking-

Big Jay Oakerson 35:31 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:31 ... his teenage... Like, that's just a more fucked up offense.

Luis J. Gomez 35:34 The only thing that I look at it as, like, she's a little bit more fucked up because I don't ever talk to women that are like, "Oh, a young dude, that's what I'm into." And you, I talk to every dude behind the scenes, like, "Oh, yeah, a 19-year-old chick, that would be hot." You know?

Joe Rogan 35:46 She's definitely fucked up, but-

Luis J. Gomez 35:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:47 ... those women play very important roles in, in taking a young man's hand.

Luis J. Gomez 35:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:52 Leading him down the road of sexuality.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:55 It's not... Like, I got molested by a 21-year-old when I was 13. She was hot and it was great.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:00 Period.

Luis J. Gomez 36:01 That's like a, a-

Joe Rogan 36:02 Molested?

Big Jay Oakerson 36:02 ... fucking... Mele- I mean, she grabbed my dick.

Luis J. Gomez 36:02 Yeah, that's what it is.

Joe Rogan 36:03 She made out with me, like the whole deal. I c- I didn't, I couldn't get a hard on. I was, uh, in full panic. I couldn't believe-

Big Jay Oakerson 36:10 What was the-

Joe Rogan 36:10 ... I was making out with this lady.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:11 What, was she babysitting you?

Joe Rogan 36:12 No, she lived down the street. Nice, nice person. She played softball with us and, uh, fucked a bunch of us.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:18 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 36:18 (laughs) That's what you called it?

Joe Rogan 36:18 Fucked a bunch of us. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 36:19 Wow.

Joe Rogan 36:20 And she was 21. And the thing is, man, she was pretty. It was weird.

Luis J. Gomez 36:23 She was fucked when, uh, she was a kid I think.

Joe Rogan 36:26 Could be.

Luis J. Gomez 36:26 I think it's always passed down from a- a (laughs) another generation.

Joe Rogan 36:28 No, you, you're probably right, you know, whatever it was.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:31 Well, thank your dad for me.

Joe Rogan 36:31 She was very nice.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:32 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 36:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:33 She was very nice.

Luis J. Gomez 36:34 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 36:34 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 36:35 Thank your dad for me. Thank your dad for me, kid.

Joe Rogan 36:36 She was a fun person, like, she was fun to be around. We all, we all liked her, but she fucked everybody.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:41 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 36:41 So I just-

Joe Rogan 36:42 That's where I'm saying though-

Luis J. Gomez 36:44 You wash your vagina to her?

Joe Rogan 36:44 No, I didn't. I didn't.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:45 No, she just, just grabbed my dick. Like I said, I d- I couldn't even get it up. I panicked. But I didn't... I mean, I didn't even know what getting it up was.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:52 Like, I think she was the first person I ever kissed.

Luis J. Gomez 36:55 I-

Big Jay Oakerson 36:55 You didn't come back around to her though later to see where you're stacked up in the hood?

Joe Rogan 37:00 No, we moved. We moved. We wound, wound up moving to the next year and I went to high school in a different part of town.

Luis J. Gomez 37:05 Yeah, I was already jerking off for years at that point.

Joe Rogan 37:07 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 37:07 So giving it up... Like, I was literally jerking off from when I was like nine or eight.

Joe Rogan 37:11 That's hilarious. You started jerking off at nine? (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 37:12 Yeah, yeah. I talk about it on my podcast. I used to hump teddy bears and like, my pillows.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:16 Is that the same as jerking off though? 'Cause I did that too.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:19 See, I don't think so. I think you gotta-

Luis J. Gomez 37:20 No, but then I would use my hand probably-

Big Jay Oakerson 37:21 Oh, okay.

Luis J. Gomez 37:21 ... when I was like 10. And I, I remember-

Big Jay Oakerson 37:23 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 37:24 I remember the transition of not cumming anything to when I actually shot a liquid.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:28 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 37:28 And it was like I graduated in masturbation.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:30 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 37:31 You know, 'cause I had watched porn at that point.

Joe Rogan 37:32 But it's like an eighth grade graduation. It's not the real graduation shit.

Luis J. Gomez 37:35 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:35 It's just kinda like, you know, "We're trying to make him feel good about himself, so we're giving him that."

Big Jay Oakerson 37:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:38 I didn't jerk off until after I'd had sex.

Luis J. Gomez 37:41 No. Really?

Joe Rogan 37:42 Yeah, yeah. I didn't start jerking off till after I had sex.

Luis J. Gomez 37:44 How old?

Joe Rogan 37:45 I have no idea why. Pss... Either somewhere between 15 and 16. It might've been 16, it might've been 15. I'm not sure.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:52 And then you were like, "I wanna feel this again. I don't have time to find a chick every time."

Joe Rogan 37:55 No, the thing is like, I, when I started jerking off, I went, "Oh."

Big Jay Oakerson 38:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:00 Like, "This is what's going on." Like, "I'm a junkie."

Big Jay Oakerson 38:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:03 Like, my, my body is like, (slaps thighs) like, completely addicted to the idea of girls, right? You're 17 years old or whatever the fuck I was, 15 years old. Your, your body is just like, "Girls, girls." But if you jerk off, it's like, "Oh, they're just, it's just people." (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 38:23 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 38:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:23 Like, withou- without this need for cumming, like then you'd like them based on their merits, their frien-

Big Jay Oakerson 38:31 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 38:31 Wait a second.

Joe Rogan 38:31 ... their friendship-

Big Jay Oakerson 38:31 This hole's got a job? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:33 ... their personality. But if you just jer- I f- I realized that literally when I was like 16 years old. If I just jerked off, like, the, what I was willing to tolerate was so much less.

Luis J. Gomez 38:41 Well, you, well, dude, when you go... We were talking about the sex robots before and if, if we kinda got off, uh, uh, on a, uh, if pedophiles should be able to fuck. I mean, you kinda think about that. Do they have that built up pedophile full balls (laughs) walking around, dude, just seeing kids at the park?

Joe Rogan 38:54 But are we just giving up on them? There's no way to fix that?

Luis J. Gomez 38:57 I, I think they're a disease. I think they're, there's like a sickness. I don't know if you could like... I don't know if you're gonna be able to fix them. I think when you, you know-

Big Jay Oakerson 39:01 Well, you got chemical castration and shit like that.

Luis J. Gomez 39:04 That's like crazy.

Joe Rogan 39:05 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't, I don't know what the... Like, there are people that have this inclination that would never act on it out of ethics and morals. They don't wanna fuck anybody up, which is also crazy. It's like, wow, okay. So it's like some guy's got a nuclear-

Luis J. Gomez 39:20 But we act if we wanna-

Joe Rogan 39:20 ... suitcase, he's just walking around neighborhoods just ready to detonate buildings. And we just trust that he's never gonna use it.

Luis J. Gomez 39:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:27 It's a weird thing to want.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:29 Or if you can give him like a, like a weird, you know, video game, like your hunting video game and he can just blow up a building-

Joe Rogan 39:34 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 39:34 ... with a suitcase once in a while.

Joe Rogan 39:35 But here's the thing, like if he doesn't do anything, he's not a criminal.

Luis J. Gomez 39:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Like if he has this thing and he fights this demon every day and he successfully slays it every day, who are we to come in and say, "You shouldn't have these thoughts?" No, if anything, I look at that as probably it's somebody who was like abused as a child.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:52 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 39:52 Has had a horrible life and isn't harming anybody else. You almost kind of are like, ho- honestly, it's-

Luis J. Gomez 39:57 Chemical castration.

Joe Rogan 39:58 ... you know-

Big Jay Oakerson 39:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:58 We gotta find the-

Luis J. Gomez 39:59 Wolves, wolves.

Joe Rogan 39:59 We have to find the-

Luis J. Gomez 40:00 Feed him to wolves.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:01 We gotta find the Dexter of terrorists, terror- a terrorist who only terrorizes terrorists. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 40:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:09 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 40:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:09 There's like a pedophile who only goes after like evil kids.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:13 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 40:13 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 40:14 Kids who deserve to be molested. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:15 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 40:15 And then he quantum... And then he can leap to another city, like Quantum Leap.

Joe Rogan 40:18 What a crazy sickness that you can implant in someone's mind that if you can molest them, they will wanna molest others.

Luis J. Gomez 40:25 Vampires.

Joe Rogan 40:26 And that... Yeah, yeah, I mean, really is. It really is like a vampire thing.

Luis J. Gomez 40:29 Do not invite a pedophile into your home.

Joe Rogan 40:31 Dude, it probably is where it comes from, right? Like stealing your joy, sucking the life out of your family, less a guy fucks your kids.

Luis J. Gomez 40:39 I would swear... And just being violent in general, I think is like that.

Joe Rogan 40:41 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 40:41 I think most people who are like, like, uh, not violent in like the criminal sense.

Joe Rogan 40:46 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 40:46 Not in like, you know, being like in martial arts or something like that. But like people who like, you know, assault and kill and fucking shit like that, it's like I think 99% of the time, they were fucking beaten as a child.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:57 Oh, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 40:57 They had all that shit in their life, you know.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:58 I would say that the bully always has a dad who kicks his ass type thing, you know.

Joe Rogan 41:01 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:01 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 41:01 But those guys can go play a video game where they shoot people in the fucking head and they get off on that. And pedophiles don't have that same type of outlet-

Joe Rogan 41:08 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 41:08 ... that those guys have.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:09 Yeah, that's true.

Joe Rogan 41:09 Yeah, that's interesting. It's true, so...

Big Jay Oakerson 41:11 But I think, I don't-

Joe Rogan 41:11 Isn't it... I'm sorry. So isn't it... Is we look at pedophiles as almost being worse than murder.

Luis J. Gomez 41:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:16 Right? Like somebody wants to commit murder, we understand.

Luis J. Gomez 41:19 It kinda-

41:19 ... the worst?

41:20 ... is worse than murder in a weird way.

41:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:20 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 41:20 I got a, I got a five-year-old, I'm telling you right now, dude. Like, you know, well-

41:23 Yeah.

41:24 ... is it worse than somebody killing him? It's, it's-

41:27 No.

Joe Rogan 41:27 No, but don't make it him.

Luis J. Gomez 41:28 ... not it's, it's still crazy.

Joe Rogan 41:30 Make it just a dude.

Luis J. Gomez 41:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:30 Like, if someone just killed, like if someone has a cute inner-

Luis J. Gomez 41:31 Stop dressing him so sexy.

Dave Smith 41:33 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 41:33 That is, that's fair piece of advice.

41:35 You blue-haired son of a bitch. (laughs)

Dave Smith 41:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:39 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 41:41 Shut it, shut it, shut it.

Dave Smith 41:48 My

Dave Smith 42:54 favorite theory is the brother did it by accident-

Luis J. Gomez 43:20 No.

Dave Smith 43:20 ... and then the parents tried to cover it up. But that's just my favorite documentary answer.

Joe Rogan 43:25 They, they connected the handwriting, they were trying to connect the handwriting of, uh, the ransom note or whatever the fuck it was. The one, whatever note was left behind. There was a note left behind.

Dave Smith 43:35 Yep.

Joe Rogan 43:36 And they said it was really similar to the mother's handwriting. (smacks lips) But they could, I don't think it, they made a conclusive decision about that. But that's like, what if you have normal handwriting and somebody else has normal handwriting, and they kill your kid? And now people think you killed your kid 'cause you write normal, right?

Dave Smith 43:51 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 43:51 You, like, you gotta defend the fact that you, like, put a little curve on the end of your R?

Joe Rogan 43:55 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 43:55 How good is that handwriting shit? I mean, is it that, is it that good?

43:59 I don't, I don't think so.

Dave Smith 43:59 And then also, you can find a handwriting expert that if you pay them enough, they'll say that it's not.

Luis J. Gomez 44:02 Oh, sure.

Joe Rogan 44:03 Right, right.

Dave Smith 44:03 That's all, like, bullshit.

Luis J. Gomez 44:04 I got-

Dave Smith 44:04 It depends on whoever you get.

Joe Rogan 44:05 But there's gotta be some science behind it. There must be.

Luis J. Gomez 44:08 They, there's a certain way it's, like, looped.

Dave Smith 44:10 Maybe

Joe Rogan 44:10 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 44:10 If you've ever, like, seen them analyze... It's, uh, I've seen, like, on documentaries (book page flips) and, like, how they analyze it. It's, like, they loop it that way, the same way.

Joe Rogan 44:15 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 44:15 It's all at the same angles.

Dave Smith 44:16 But they will, they will use that in courts, right? But I don't think it's, like, substantial evidence. It's like polygraphs. Like, there's some science to it, but it's not like, you can't get convicted off that shit.

Luis J. Gomez 44:25 I would believe anybody that passed a polygraph test. If I will-

Joe Rogan 44:29 But I think you'd see it up on the screen up there. There's a JonBenét Ramsey, John Ramsey's ransom note and Patti Ramsey. And you watch how she writes and you watch how Ran- Patti, Patsy, Patsy Ramsey writes. And you're like, "Oh, yeah. Oh, this, she didn't even try to hide it."

Luis J. Gomez 44:47 Wow.

Joe Rogan 44:48 I mean, she writes the same way.

Dave Smith 44:49 Yeah, the H's are the same. If you look at the little hook on the end of the H.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Look at this. Yeah. Well, look at the size of the A's and the C's. They're very, uh, very uniform in size. From hers to the ransom note, but very different than John's. Like, it's, uh, it's a d- like, it's her handwriting. Like, now I see it.

Dave Smith 45:07 She killed... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:07 Like, you just have those words.

Dave Smith 45:09 We solved it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:10 Well, she, it looks, I mean, it really, really looks like she wrote that note.

Luis J. Gomez 45:15 So the one, the Patsy Ramsey ransom note in the middle is w- the one where she said, "Look, it's not my handwriting." Right? Is that what they're saying?

45:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:21 Yes.

Dave Smith 45:22 Like-

Joe Rogan 45:22 They made her write the ransom note.

Dave Smith 45:23 She's like, "Look, I don't write like that." Started to just, like, stabbing the paper with a pen.

Luis J. Gomez 45:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:27 They made her, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 45:27 (laughs)

Dave Smith 45:27 "I don't even know what you're talking about."

Luis J. Gomez 45:27 She had put up a sheet of paper.

Joe Rogan 45:28 Yeah, they said, "Here's some words. We'd like you to write them out." And she wrote them out pretty much exactly the same way. (laughs) I mean, she didn't even try to hide it.

Luis J. Gomez 45:38 Well, what if you really came from somewhere?

Joe Rogan 45:40 That is crazy, dude.

Dave Smith 45:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:40 That's crazy. Now I get it. Okay, so them, I mean, I'm, I'm sure if we had an expert in here that he'd explain that there's some sort of a science behind it.

Dave Smith 45:47 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 45:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:48 That house, I lived in Boulder nine fucking years ago. And that house is still for sale.

Luis J. Gomez 45:56 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:56 They can't sell it. It's a nice house. They can't sell that house.

Luis J. Gomez 45:59 How do you tell-

Joe Rogan 45:59 They changed the name of the street, dude.

Luis J. Gomez 46:00 Like Trent Reznor or Marilyn Manson don't, doesn't wanna buy it? Did, didn't-

Joe Rogan 46:04 (sighs)

Luis J. Gomez 46:04 ... you get, like, rock stars or, like, really weird-

46:06 Yeah.

46:06 ... like, eccentric people that wanna, like, have something like that?

Joe Rogan 46:08 No. Nobody wants to buy a house where a kid was killed.

Luis J. Gomez 46:11 Good enough deal. How a, how expensive is it?

Joe Rogan 46:13 It's a good deal. Not a great deal. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 46:17 (laughs)

46:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:17 But it's a good deal. But you might be able to negotiate down and get a great deal.

Dave Smith 46:19 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 46:19 People bought, people bought the Tate house.

Joe Rogan 46:21 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 46:21 I see a podcast studio, I'm like, "Dude, I, I might have to look at that house."

46:24 Yo. I know, you imagine a crazy fuck... You, like, you're on st- uh, in the middle of the show, and you see, like, things behind you moving around.

46:32 (laughs)

46:32 Ghosts.

Dave Smith 46:34 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 46:34 You know, that's the, the, the thing about The Comedy Store podcast. Down in that basement, like, down ba- that ba- m- millions of people have been killed in that basement. (laughs) You know this from fucking people. That was like Bugsy Siegel's place. That was Ciro's Nightclub.

Dave Smith 46:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:46 So, like, for sure, if you're gonna kill somebody, you kill them in the basement, right?

Dave Smith 46:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:50 How many guys do you think they killed in that basement?

Dave Smith 46:53 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 46:53 Bugsy Siegel with a nightclub on Sunset. For sure, a gang of people got killed.

Luis J. Gomez 46:58 I think it's probably a bunch of people killed as it, since it's been The Comedy Store.

Joe Rogan 47:01 (smacks lips) Well, uh, there's probably been... Well, we know there's one. That one murder-

Dave Smith 47:05 The one that's murdered in there.

Joe Rogan 47:05 ... that took place-

Dave Smith 47:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:06 ... in the front patio.

Dave Smith 47:06 In the basement? Oh, the front patio.

Joe Rogan 47:07 On the front patio. Yeah.

Dave Smith 47:09 That was, I was on my way there that night. That was crazy.

Joe Rogan 47:11 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 47:12 Great alibi, Jay.

47:13 (laughs)

Dave Smith 47:13 Uh, I was on my way. You know it.

Joe Rogan 47:15 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 47:15 (laughs)

47:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:15 I was on my way there.

Dave Smith 47:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:17 Me and Luis Gomez.

Luis J. Gomez 47:19 (laughs)

47:19 Here's a picture of me holding a newspaper in a car near a street sign-

Joe Rogan 47:22 Like this.

Luis J. Gomez 47:22 ... many miles away.

Joe Rogan 47:24 Like this.

Luis J. Gomez 47:24 Luis J. Gomez.

Joe Rogan 47:25 (laughs)

Dave Smith 47:25 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 47:27 Ah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:29 Just get it right for the press release. Uh, shit.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:32 Get it effin' right. Yeah, I- I- whenever, some reason a documentary comes out about an old thing that I've heard a thousand things about, I'll still watch them again. I've got way deep into Charles Manson again.

Joe Rogan 47:41 Oh, wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:41 But I was gonna say, with Charles Manson was, people have bought those houses, for sure.

Joe Rogan 47:45 Yeah. It's cool, in a weird way.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:46 The Amity- the Amityville house is sold over and over again.

Joe Rogan 47:47 I'm telling you right now, I- They haven't marketed that fucking house the right way because they could get some weirdo to buy it. Easily. I think that Amityville Horror house, though, is bullshit. Like, nothing ever really happened there, right?

Big Jay Oakerson 47:58 It depends on what documentary you want me to... Some people are like, "The whole thing's fake."

Joe Rogan 48:02 Yeah, I think-

Big Jay Oakerson 48:02 I mean, it's probably all fake.

Joe Rogan 48:03 I think it's kinda bullshit. I think they just sorta concocted it for that movie. I went to see that movie. I was scared out of my fucking mind.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:10 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 48:10 I was thinking, "Oh, my God. These people, they bought this house and it's haunted."

Big Jay Oakerson 48:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:15 "Fuck, man. That sucks. What if that was us?" Like, when you were a little kid, you believe that shit.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:19 Oh, no, of course. But then you rea- then you found out what, "Based on true events," means.

Joe Rogan 48:23 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:23 It was like-

Joe Rogan 48:23 It doesn't.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:24 "I heard a weird creak in the middle of the night," and they're like, "Bees came outta your toilet."

Joe Rogan 48:31 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 48:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:32 That is hilarious.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:33 I'm gonna go ahead and change the heading put in there, "The bees came outta your..." The walls started bleeding.

Joe Rogan 48:37 I grew up so poor that, like, just the idea of buying a house. I was watching those movies, I was like, "I don't know. What do you want me to say, guys? I'm renting. We're on Section 8." I would fucking deal with the ghosts to own something. Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:47 I know, right? When you're scared of a few ghosts. What have ghosts ever done?

Big Jay Oakerson 48:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:50 They've never killed anybody.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:52 Well they did some kill people.

Joe Rogan 48:53 What happened to Fred? "Oh, fucking ghost killed him."

Big Jay Oakerson 48:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:55 It's just like, no one's ever died from a ghost. Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:57 Yeah, it's always like they moved a toy car, like across a table or something like that.

Joe Rogan 49:01 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:01 I could get past that shit.

Joe Rogan 49:02 And people... I had... My m- my roommate, back when I was like 21, my buddy Jimmy DiTillio, me and him got a Ouija board once. We said, "All right, we're gonna find out if this is bullshit."

Big Jay Oakerson 49:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:11 And, uh, he's like, "You're not gonna move it, right?" And I go, "I'm not gonna move it." I go, "You're not gonna move it?" He goes, "I'm not gonna move that fucking thing," he goes, "We're gonna find out if this is bullshit." And we sat around for like an hour and 45 minutes with this fucking stupid Ouija board asking it questions-

Big Jay Oakerson 49:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:25 ... sitting there, looking at each other, looking down the Oui- and it wasn't even budging.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:29 It wasn't even budging. At the end of it, my friend Jimmy, he folds everything up, stuffs it in a garbage bag, he goes, "I'm taking this piece of shit out to the trash right now."

Big Jay Oakerson 49:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:37 "Fuck this." It's... I mean, people convince themselves of everything, you know? They'll start moving that thing, like, "Oh, my God, it's going to the A." "I can't believe it's..." And the N and the D. "It's telling us something, Andy, from beyond the grave! Oh, Andy's calling us!"

Big Jay Oakerson 49:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:54 "Get the fuck outta here." It's like- it's like the same shit as that fake martial arts where they're using air- Yes! Thank you, thank you. ... to fucking knock you down. And they all just convince that it's the same shit. Thank you, thank you.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:00 Do you think the people that, uh, that prey on them are predators? Do you think, like, the people who go, "I'm talking to you..."

Joe Rogan 50:05 They're idiots too, that's the problem. They're- they're-

Big Jay Oakerson 50:07 But are they idiots or are they pieces of shit?

Joe Rogan 50:09 They're both. There's, you got pieces of shit that some of 'em are just con artists. Some of 'em are idiots who are as fooled by it as what they're teaching. There's a lot of those.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:17 I- I mean, that Sylvia Brown, wasn't she the one that told the girls they found in Cleveland? Like, told one of her parents, like, she's moved onto a better place now? And...

Joe Rogan 50:26 Right, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:27 ... like, like, like, you know-

Joe Rogan 50:28 They had 'em convinced-

Big Jay Oakerson 50:28 ... Stop Looking For Your Daughter was dead and she was in a fucking ad- that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 50:32 Yeah, she makes shit up.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:32 And now she made them stop looking for her.

Joe Rogan 50:33 How different is that than religion, though? So I, you know, I can sit there and the person that's doing that o- on a dumb fucking stage... It's more personal. 'Cause religion, you are basically... You're- you- yous- you're projecting these ancient stories, right? That's what you're doing. You- you're giving lessons in these ancient stories. But when you're actually doing it to a single person, that seems way worse, right?

Big Jay Oakerson 50:55 Yeah, it's very focused. And also religion, people get... There are good intentions sometimes to people doing it.

Joe Rogan 51:01 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:01 Those who wanna follow tradition and stuff or you grow up that way and you just kinda like... But I mean, no, that's like... That- that- that's predatory. You're looking for someone to make money by-

Joe Rogan 51:09 There's a lot of good shit.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:09 ... exploiting like the worst possible thing about their life?

Joe Rogan 51:12 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:12 That's fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 51:12 In- in terms of is it truth? They're both equally, probably, you know, like bullshit. But one is directly targeting-

Big Jay Oakerson 51:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:19 ... and fucking with somebody.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:20 But, and religions also probably killed millions and millions and millions of people, and, you know, these people are just fucking duping a few idiots out of their money.

Joe Rogan 51:26 They're duping a lot of idiots.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:27 It's a fair point.

Joe Rogan 51:27 But those idiots deserve to be duped. I mean, look, wounded antelopes should not go to the water hole. That's just how it goes.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:34 You get jacked. You're gonna... Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:35 Everything is an antelope analogy with you, Joe.

Joe Rogan 51:37 Well, this is... These are dumbasses.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:38 It always works.

Joe Rogan 51:39 They're supposed to get taken out.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:40 Did you, uh, did you watch the documentary, An Honest Liar, about the Amazing Randi?

Joe Rogan 51:47 Yes.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:47 Who- who would go pick apart those like televangelists and like interrupt their frequency and expose their tricks?

Joe Rogan 51:53 Well, he's one of the...

Big Jay Oakerson 51:54 He tried to end... Yuri Geller, he just tried to end him.

Joe Rogan 51:57 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:57 Get Peter Falk off.

Joe Rogan 51:57 Yeah. That's how he put Faith with Steve Martin. That's the entire plot.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:59 Ah.

Joe Rogan 52:00 It really is.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:00 Yeah, no, I know. It's what it's all based off of. It's... They try to... They intercept that signal. But he did it with a lot of things. Yuri Geller, the bending spoons guy-

Joe Rogan 52:07 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:07 ... made him go away for about 20 years.

Joe Rogan 52:09 Well, he's got this, uh, Million Dollar Challenge. And I believe... S- look up the Randi Challenge. It's to show him any evidence of any sort of telekinetic powers or psychic abilities, any measurable psychic abilities, and you can win a million bucks 'cause nobody can show shit.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:30 Well, he did a thing... He did, he did a- a study, I believe, at Princeton University. They gave him all this money to have these guys come. And he ha- he just brought... He hired three other magicians, and it was to have them come sit there for days and try to figure out how to do this crazy telekinetic thing. And then they ended up doing it. And there was a big press conference and he was like, "They're all magicians. There's no telekinesis." (laughs) He goes...

Joe Rogan 52:50 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:50 And he just showed, it was a trick they all did and they- they- they got like... And he had a lot of trouble for that.

Joe Rogan 52:53 See, some of those guys, some of those guys are fucking incredible. Wh- wh- why I did that show, Joe Rogan Questions Everything, we did an episode on psychics. And we got this guy named Banachek and he's a, a Vegas magician. He's a wizard, dude. He does all the spoon bending shit-

Big Jay Oakerson 53:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:08 ... in front of you. And you know what it is, man? I mean, Hugh didn't explain it to me, I had to go and Google it. It's not really the same metal. It's some metal that if you just heat it up-

Big Jay Oakerson 53:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:17 ... by moving your hands back and forth, it just bends. Yeah. I used to wanna be a magician as a kid. I really did. And there's... If you take like a cheap enough spoon and you literally just, uh... You could bend it like a few times and it'll just look straight. That's one of the tricks where you'll just use your finger-

Big Jay Oakerson 53:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:30 ... and you make it melt away. But this is a very specific kind of metal that you can do this to.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:35 It's like, you know how aluminum is like super weak?

Big Jay Oakerson 53:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:38 Like in some, some forms. Not like car frame forms, but in some forms. N- not alloys. But it... Aluminum, it's like it scratches easier. It's like there's metals that are like... Or- or lead, I was thinking of. Lead scratches easier. It's like a... It's- it's the kind of, uh, metal that's pliable. You can bite into a gold coin, right? You can actually see teeth marks.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:57 That's how people knew that gold was real. This shit, you just rub your fingers and it just droops.It just gives in.

Dave Smith 54:03 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 54:03 I spent like-

Joe Rogan 54:03 You met-

Luis J. Gomez 54:04 I met-

Joe Rogan 54:04 You met-

Luis J. Gomez 54:04 Go ahead.

Dave Smith 54:05 ... at buh... No, you.

Joe Rogan 54:06 (laughs) No.

Luis J. Gomez 54:07 No, you, I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 54:07 You know what? You're gonna mouth kick me.

Luis J. Gomez 54:08 Joe Rogan, you guys are handling this remarkably well with four microphones.

Dave Smith 54:11 Joe Rogan: Legions Hanks podcast, that would have never happened in a million years.

Joe Rogan 54:14 (laughs)

Dave Smith 54:14 It was just sorta, it was us screaming at each other, calling each other a faggot for the next five minutes.

Joe Rogan 54:18 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 54:18 (laughs)

Dave Smith 54:18 We're on our best behavior right now.

Joe Rogan 54:20 That's so ridiculous, wow.

Dave Smith 54:20 We're being so respectful right now, you have no idea.

Luis J. Gomez 54:22 We respect you guys too.

Dave Smith 54:23 This is, uh, this is church Sunday for us.

Joe Rogan 54:24 Yes.

Dave Smith 54:24 We're-

Luis J. Gomez 54:24 After you. Faggots first.

Joe Rogan 54:26 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 54:26 Okay. No, but I'm just saying, can you imagine like pre-science how much people got freaked out by people who like knew magic or knew like some type of sleight of hand like that when you can't fucking Google?

Joe Rogan 54:35 Oh, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 54:35 You can't Google that-

Joe Rogan 54:36 Oh, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 54:36 ... oh, there's a different type of metal that you can burn with, and they're just like, "He is communicating with the gods."

Joe Rogan 54:40 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 54:40 "There's no other answer."

Dave Smith 54:41 In the seventh century.

Luis J. Gomez 54:42 "Joseph Messiah."

Dave Smith 54:43 Are you ready?

Joe Rogan 54:44 Well, those people that know how to ask you questions that are leading you into telling them the answers-

Luis J. Gomez 54:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:49 Like those, those peop- There's, there's techniques to that, you know. I talked to Penn Jillette about that once, and he was explaining to me how when someone talks to you, they get you to give them the answer, and then they say the answer, and it makes them look like a wizard. But they're just, they've gone through these patterns so many times. I mean, how many people have problems with their dad? How many people have a brother that died? How many people, you know, they're like, "There's someone missing." "Who is it?" "Oh, it was my brother." "Yes, I see. I see. And this is not a good thing." "No, he died in a car accident."

Luis J. Gomez 55:18 (laughs) Right, right?

Joe Rogan 55:19 "Yes, I see."

Dave Smith 55:20 Yeah, uh-

Joe Rogan 55:20 "I see that he loves you and he misses you and he's very sad that he didn't get to say goodbye." "And the guy starts crying. (crying) " And then he comes home and he goes, "Dude, she knew about my brother."

Luis J. Gomez 55:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Like, no! No, you fucking dummy! You knew about your brother.

Luis J. Gomez 55:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:36 If she was a psychic, she'd tell you about some shit that hasn't happened.

Dave Smith 55:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:39 She's telling you about some shit you already know, because you're a dumbass and you're playing checkers with a lady who's playing chess on you.

Luis J. Gomez 55:45 (laughs)

Dave Smith 55:45 My uh, my- my friend who I stay with when I'm out here has a, a very good friend who's a- a psychic medium.

Luis J. Gomez 55:51 Oh.

Dave Smith 55:52 He's a very nice guy, but she, she really wants to believe in him so much. And, and I'm fine with, you know, what he does. The way he does it is an entertaining thing. And, uh, she's like, "You don't believe it at all?" I go, "Here's why I don't believe it. If you have fucking powers and then also like, you know, you go to Target 'cause you need shampoo." I don't know, it seems like it would be like a burden to live with.

Luis J. Gomez 56:12 (laughs)

Dave Smith 56:13 The gift of magic powers.

Joe Rogan 56:15 Yeah.

Dave Smith 56:15 And then you're just like, "Oh yeah, I'll swing by McDonald's. I'm a little hungry for a snack." (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 56:18 We're all just stems-

Dave Smith 56:18 I don't think those worlds don't collide.

Joe Rogan 56:20 It all stems from us walking around going, "Wouldn't it be much easier if I knew exactly what was gonna happen and knew who these people, who's good and who's bad? Wouldn't that be better?"

Dave Smith 56:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:28 And everybody has that feeling, but nobody has those abilities. So you go on knowledge and instincts and life experience and you compile it all together. And some people are really good at it and some people suck at it. And the people that suck at it, they go to someone else for advice. And one of the ways they go to advice is that lady with the neon sign. "Psychic. Oh, look at the palm. She must be a magician."

Dave Smith 56:48 I was wondering how do they-

Joe Rogan 56:49 And you go in there and this lady fleeces you.

Dave Smith 56:51 ... fucking afford rent?

Luis J. Gomez 56:51 I see it in New York City, I'll walk down the street, there's a psychic who has a window, a storefront.

Joe Rogan 56:55 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 56:55 And it's a palm glowing in the window.

Dave Smith 56:57 By my house.

Joe Rogan 56:58 Yep.

Dave Smith 56:58 And you're like-

Joe Rogan 56:58 A lot of them.

Luis J. Gomez 56:59 ... "How are you affording the fucking rent here?"

Dave Smith 57:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:01 They get a bunch of suckers. And the one thing about suckers is, if they're good, if you have a good connection with that sucker, that sucker wants to come back next week.

Luis J. Gomez 57:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:10 The sucker wants to keep coming to you like, "You, we have to discuss this. Can you be here Thursday?"

Luis J. Gomez 57:14 It's also part of their job.

Joe Rogan 57:15 Yes, Thursday.

Luis J. Gomez 57:15 They're salespeople, so.

Joe Rogan 57:16 "Thursday, no problem." And then this fucking dork, he's all excited about Thursday. "On Thursday, the madam is gonna tell me exactly what's gonna happen with the future of my company."

Dave Smith 57:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:24 And this fucking dude shoulda gotten taken out by a hyena. A hyena shoulda clipped his ankles, dragged him through the bushes-

Luis J. Gomez 57:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:30 ... and they all woulda jumped outta nowhere and mauled this fucking asshole 'cause he didn't listen to anybody. But no.

Luis J. Gomez 57:35 And suckers all hang out there.

Joe Rogan 57:36 Nature had him busy survive in this nerfed up world.

Dave Smith 57:39 Yes, nature had an answer for this guy.

Joe Rogan 57:40 Yeah.

Dave Smith 57:40 But then the one smart guy who was supposed to survive invented some shit and then told everyone else about it.

Joe Rogan 57:45 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 57:45 Yes.

Dave Smith 57:45 And now these idiots have that invention. You, I read like an old bit of yours where you touched on this. I really fucking love that joke where you're like, uh, the, uh, when you realize there's no such thing as adults.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Yeah.

Dave Smith 57:55 Like everyone else-

Joe Rogan 57:56 That was a real moment with me.

Dave Smith 57:57 Like, 'cause people, but that's what it is is that none of us really know what the fuck's going on. We all like to, to comfort ourselves by thinking we know what's going on. And then if someone else can convince you they kinda know what's going on-

Joe Rogan 58:07 Yeah.

Dave Smith 58:08 ... it's like we look for that. Like we're like, "Oh, thank God. I found someone now. Now I know what's going on."

Joe Rogan 58:12 Yeah.

Dave Smith 58:12 But we're all full of shit.

Luis J. Gomez 58:13 Most people are followers, that's what it is.

Dave Smith 58:15 Yes, very few people are leaders.

Luis J. Gomez 58:15 Very few people are leaders.

Joe Rogan 58:15 We should look at psychics like we look at coyotes. They take out the dummies. They just take, they, they get into the, the system, they find cracks, they expose weakness.

Luis J. Gomez 58:26 And dummies hang out with dummies, right?

Joe Rogan 58:27 Yeah, yeah.

Dave Smith 58:27 So it's like what happens...

Joe Rogan 58:29 They all pap 'em.

Dave Smith 58:29 I'm sure the referral business in the psychic world-

Joe Rogan 58:32 Oh. (laughs)

Dave Smith 58:32 ... is everything, dude.

Joe Rogan 58:33 Oh, and everybody wants to think that they have the person.

Luis J. Gomez 58:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:36 "Oh my God, she is amazing."

Luis J. Gomez 58:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:39 "She knows so much about me."

Luis J. Gomez 58:41 "She's 4'6"."

Joe Rogan 58:42 "I mean, first of all, when I knew her, when I walked in the room, she touched both my shoulders and I knew her for my whole life."

Luis J. Gomez 58:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:50 "It's that incredible. She's that incredible." And they all wanna convince themselves that this fucking crazy bitch that they keep paying money to-

Dave Smith 58:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:57 ... isn't just lying to them.

Luis J. Gomez 58:59 Yeah.

Dave Smith 58:59 That's right, 'cause it's not just that you're being conned, it's like you're the accomplice in the con.

Joe Rogan 59:03 Yeah.

Dave Smith 59:03 You want the con, so you're hoping.

Joe Rogan 59:05 You want the con.

Dave Smith 59:05 You're conning yourself also.

Joe Rogan 59:06 Well, that's those kung fu videos. Those guys wanna be conned by this touch. Ha!

Dave Smith 59:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:11 And the guy goes flying across the room.

Luis J. Gomez 59:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:13 They want, they wanna be sucked into that.

Luis J. Gomez 59:15 I always, I always make-

Dave Smith 59:15 'Cause there's something in it for you too. And you're working with this master. Sorry, your turn.

Luis J. Gomez 59:17 I make the sidekick, uh... No problem, Dave. I always make the sidekick do Oda Mae Brown and I just pretend my ex-wife is dead and I wanna make love to her.

Dave Smith 59:24 (laughs) What's that one? What're you talking about?

Luis J. Gomez 59:25 You remember from Ghosts, Oda Mae Brown pretended to be, uh, Patrick Swayze and made out with Demi Moore?

Dave Smith 59:30 Whoopi, uh-

Luis J. Gomez 59:31 Yeah, Whoopi Goldberg.

Dave Smith 59:32 ... Whoopi Goldberg?

Joe Rogan 59:33 Oh boy. Now I'm, I'm remembering.

Luis J. Gomez 59:33 But they wouldn't show Whoopie making out with...

Dave Smith 59:35 They should.

Luis J. Gomez 59:35 They should've had her like leaning in-

Dave Smith 59:36 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 59:36 ... and then it turned into Patrick Swayze.

Dave Smith 59:38 Hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 59:39 Which was weak shit.

Joe Rogan 59:40 Yeah.

Dave Smith 59:40 Nice weak shit.

Joe Rogan 59:40 We all wanted to see.

Luis J. Gomez 59:41 'Cause realistically, Whoopi Goldberg was fucking Frenching hard with Demi Moore.

Dave Smith 59:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:45 Imagine making that movie today. How would you go about that?

Luis J. Gomez 59:49 Whoopi Goldberg now?

Joe Rogan 59:51 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 59:51 Nah, I'm too heavy.

Dave Smith 59:53 It would just be all chicks. Patrick Swayze's a chick too. That's the reboot.

Luis J. Gomez 59:57 It's gay, guys.

Dave Smith 59:58 Ronda Rousey played...

Luis J. Gomez 59:59 It's romantic.

Dave Smith 59:59 Ronda Rousey is Sam in Ghost.

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:03 Romantic comics.