Joe Rogan Experience #1099 - Christopher Ryan

1. 0:04 – 1:51

   Vanthropology road life: traveling, Bisbee impressions, and mixing travel with podcasting

   1. CRChristopher Ryan0:04

      Three, two, one.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Is that a, is that a gun? (laughs)

   3. CRChristopher Ryan0:12

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      That was, that was a weird point. That was not a- I wasn't sure if that was the gun. Chris Ryan. How are you, buddy?

   5. CRChristopher Ryan0:18

      Hi, we're here. Hey, I'm good.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Dude, the van.

   7. CRChristopher Ryan0:20

      Vanthropology.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Right out there, man. What are you doing?

   9. CRChristopher Ryan0:22

      Scarlett Jo Vance, and I call her.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Are you just traveling in that thing? Just-

   11. CRChristopher Ryan0:24

       I just got back from a month on the road, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Wow.

   13. CRChristopher Ryan0:27

       To New Orleans and back.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       W- I was just New Orleans too, but it only took three hours.

   15. CRChristopher Ryan0:31

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       (laughs)

   17. CRChristopher Ryan0:32

       I took a scenic route.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       How many days did it take to drive to New Orleans?

   19. CRChristopher Ryan0:36

       Uh, you know, we stopped a lot along the way.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah, yeah.

   21. CRChristopher Ryan0:39

       Uh, but, uh, s- I don't know, it's 10, 12 days, something like that.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       You wanna stop.

   23. CRChristopher Ryan0:45

       We actually, we went down along the border. We, we were in Bisbee. Uh, Stanhope was in A-

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Oh, did you visit?

   25. CRChristopher Ryan0:49

       No, he was in Asia.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Oh.

   27. CRChristopher Ryan0:51

       He was on, you know, Southeast Asia, something like that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       That's how i- like, when you think of Bisbee, you think of Stanhope.

   29. CRChristopher Ryan0:58

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       They're inexorable at this point. Like, if you said Bisbee-
2. 1:51 – 3:32

   The desert rattlesnake researcher: 50 years of study and 15 bites

   1. CRChristopher Ryan1:51

      The coolest thing about this van is I've combined it with the podcast. And so, I'm traveling and I'm also meeting people along the way, some of which are planned, like if Stanhope had been around and was willing to hang, I definitely would've hung with him. But others just come up, like, uh, r- right near Bisbee, I see people following me on social media and they're like, "Oh, I see you're in Texas. You should visit my buddy in Terlingua." And I did, and I'll tell you that story in a minute. But near, um, Bisbee, this woman, Dorothy, I think her name was, wrote to me and she's like, "Dude, you're in Southern Arizona. You gotta drop in on my buddy, the rattlesnake guy."

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:31

      (laughs)

   3. CRChristopher Ryan2:31

      "Who's been studying rattlesnakes for 50 years by himself. He's not looking for fame or anything, but I'll talk to him. I think he'd, he'd like you and you guys would enjoy each other's company." And so I'm like, "Sure, I'll talk to the rattlesnake guy."

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:45

      Perfect.

   5. CRChristopher Ryan2:46

      So, he came out to this campsite and we hung out for the morning. This guy is amazing. Uh, John Porter's his name. He's been studying snakes for 50 years. He's just totally interested in them, uh, lives on next to nothing in a trailer in the desert. That's his focus. He's been bit 15 times.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      Jesus.

   7. CRChristopher Ryan3:05

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:05

      What keeps you fucking with snakes after bite number 11?

   9. CRChristopher Ryan3:08

      Yeah, I know. Fully... Bite me 10 times, shame on me.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       Fuck. Fucking this is bullshit. This job sucks.

   11. CRChristopher Ryan3:14

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       Like, how many years has he been doing it?

   13. CRChristopher Ryan3:17

       50 years.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       50?

   15. CRChristopher Ryan3:18

       He's almost 70.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       That's incredible.

   17. CRChristopher Ryan3:20

       And he's in really good shape. He, you know, scrambles around in the hills and, and, you know, pulls snakes out of holes and...

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:26

       Wow.

   19. CRChristopher Ryan3:27

       Yeah, he's, uh, he's a really interesting cat, and it's just like, that's his passion. That's what he does.

3. 3:32 – 6:26

   How rattlesnake venom works—and why some venoms are neurotoxic

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:32

      Now, i- do- did he do the slow amount of venom in his system to try to make himself immune?

   2. CRChristopher Ryan3:39

      You can't be immune to it 'cause what I learned w- from him, one of many things I learned from him, is that rattlesnake venom is essentially digestive enzymes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:50

      Whoa.

   4. CRChristopher Ryan3:50

      And what, what happens is, they bite an animal, the animal runs off 20 feet or something before it collapses. The enzymes are digesting the animal from within-

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:03

      (laughs)

   6. CRChristopher Ryan4:03

      ... because they don't have enough enzymes within their own digestive tract to digest the whole thing from outside, right? So when they get the animal inside them, they're digesting it simultaneously from outside in and then from inside out.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:17

      Jeesh.

   8. CRChristopher Ryan4:18

      So, that's why-

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:19

      What a monster.

   10. CRChristopher Ryan4:20

       Th- these are, um, the snakes that, that strike, uh, warm-blooded animals.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       Right.

   12. CRChristopher Ryan4:25

       And then the s-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       Mm-hmm.

   14. CRChristopher Ryan4:26

       ... the ones that eat cold-blooded animals, they have the neurotoxins. That's a different type of, uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       There's a terrifying video that I put on my Instagram a couple years ago, I think. It's that rattlesnake one. You'll never find it. It's like way back there. Jamie smiled and was like, "Oh, it's a challenge." (laughs)

   16. CRChristopher Ryan4:43

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       Uh, I retweeted or reposted somebody else's. Uh, some guys were hunting and a rattlesnake was pulling a rabbit. And just the way this d- demon thing just pulled this poor little fuzzy rabbit, but I instantly made the differentiation. I in- instantly differentiated which one I was on team, like, whose team I'm on. I'm on team fuffy, fluffy and furry, always.

   18. CRChristopher Ryan5:07

       Right, right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Anything that's furry, unless-

   20. CRChristopher Ryan5:08

       Well, unless, unless you've got a gun in- or a bow in your hands.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       Well, to eat it.

   22. CRChristopher Ryan5:13

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       I think the, the furry ones are most delicious.

   24. CRChristopher Ryan5:15

       Well, it's what the snake was doing.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       Oh, no, no, I'm not judging it at all.

   26. CRChristopher Ryan5:17

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       But what I'm saying is, it's... But if something else was going after that snake, if something had killed it, so like a coyote had killed a snake-

   28. CRChristopher Ryan5:23

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:23

       ... I really wouldn't be bothered by it.

   30. CRChristopher Ryan5:25

       Right.
4. 6:26 – 9:39

   Rabbits, empathy, and a childhood ‘loincloth’ phase (plus an accidental hunt)

   1. CRChristopher Ryan6:26

      When I was a kid, I, I used to think I was an Indian, you know? And I'd wander around the neighborhood in a loincloth.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:32

      Are you allowed to do that today? Or would you get culturally appropriated?

   3. CRChristopher Ryan6:35

      Probably. (laughs) I don't know.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:38

      Someone would-

   5. CRChristopher Ryan6:38

      I don't know. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:38

      Someone would come after you.

   7. CRChristopher Ryan6:40

      Uh, probably. I mean, uh, it was indecent exposure too 'cause I wasn't wearing under- underwear.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:45

      Oh, you terrible person.

   9. CRChristopher Ryan6:46

      But- (coughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:47

       So, what's your loincloth made out of?

   11. CRChristopher Ryan6:48

       Bath towel.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       (laughs)

   13. CRChristopher Ryan6:50

       Purple bath towel, so just folded in thirds and I'd have a belt-

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       (laughs) .

   15. CRChristopher Ryan6:53

       ... and it would, like, come up and hang down in the front and the back.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:56

       (laughs)

   17. CRChristopher Ryan6:56

       Seriously, I was totally into it. But anyway, I was wandering around the neighborhood in my Indian thing and, uh, I saw this rabbit and there was a bush with these hard little fruits on it, and I grabbed one of these fruits and I threw it at the rabbit and I fucking hit it and the rabbit started flopping and boom, just lay there. And I was like, "Sh- I just killed that fucking rabbit."

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       With a piece of fruit?

   19. CRChristopher Ryan7:19

       With a hard, like a little crab apple or something.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Right.

   21. CRChristopher Ryan7:22

       So I walk over and I look at the rabbit and it's just laying there and then I hear this squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak under this pine tree and I go and there's this nest of little baby rabbits with their eyes still closed.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       (gasps) Oh, no.

   23. CRChristopher Ryan7:34

       Little tiny ones. I just fucking killed their mother, dude. I was like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       Oh.

   25. CRChristopher Ryan7:38

       ... 10 maybe.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       Oh, what a bummer.

   27. CRChristopher Ryan7:41

       I, um, so I took the babies home, crying.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       So you really did kill the mother with a crab apple?

   29. CRChristopher Ryan7:47

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       Dude, you should've went Major League. You should've been playing for the fucking Dodgers.
5. 9:39 – 14:05

   Online trolling, ‘cuck/beta’ labeling, and how people reveal themselves

   1. CRChristopher Ryan9:39

      Yeah. Well, your fans hate me anyway.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:41

      Psh, that's not true.

   3. CRChristopher Ryan9:42

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:42

      That's definitely not true.

   5. CRChristopher Ryan9:43

      I see it occasionally.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:44

      You can't pay attention to those comments.

   7. CRChristopher Ryan9:46

      Oh, I know.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:46

      First of all-

   9. CRChristopher Ryan9:47

      They're amusing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:48

       They're only the people that would comment something shitty.

   11. CRChristopher Ryan9:50

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:50

       They're the only ones that are gonna get to you, right?

   13. CRChristopher Ryan9:52

       I get-

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:53

       And then you gotta also think like-

   15. CRChristopher Ryan9:53

       There's a lot of cuck beta stuff about me.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:56

       Oh, that kind of stuff.

   17. CRChristopher Ryan9:57

       Because they assume I am in an open relationship.

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:59

       Mm-hmm.

   19. CRChristopher Ryan10:00

       And so therefore there's all that kind of stuff.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:02

       Yeah, that cuck thing.

   21. CRChristopher Ryan10:03

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:03

       That's interesting.

   23. CRChristopher Ryan10:04

       Anyone who would call someone else a cuck or a beta male is.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       Most likely. I don't think you could say anyone 'cause sometimes people just are and some people say it and they're correct. (laughs)

   25. CRChristopher Ryan10:15

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       But I, I think you're-

   27. CRChristopher Ryan10:16

       But, but I mean-

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:16

       For the most part, the-

   29. CRChristopher Ryan10:17

       ... why would you say it?

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       ... need to shut someone down, you're not in an argument, okay?
6. 14:05 – 20:40

   Living abroad and ‘detribalization’: Spain, licenses, and learning cultural perspective

   1. CRChristopher Ryan14:05

      It's too late now! I'm out! Um, yeah, but, uh, the, the thing in Spain that's funny, because if you come from, you know, Mexico, Uganda, wherever, and you immigrate to Spain and you get residency, you have to turn in your driver's license and they'll give you a Spanish license, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:23

      Right.

   3. CRChristopher Ryan14:24

      The only country where they won't honor your license is the United States.

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:27

      Wow.

   5. CRChristopher Ryan14:28

      You gotta go to driving school, that bullshit night school for six weeks, take the ridiculous test that's designed to trick you and it's, the translation i- into English is incomprehensible. It's, and then you gotta do it again. It's, like, €4,000. It's a giant scam. And it's-

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:45

      And it's only for us?

   7. CRChristopher Ryan14:46

      Only for America. And the reason is that all these Spanish kids were coming to the US doing, like, high school exchange thing. And to get a, you have to be 18 to get a driver's license in Spain, but in the US, 16, obviously. So, they would come here, and at 16, they'd get a driver's license, and then they'd go back to Spain and say, "Hey, give me the license. You gotta do it. It's the law."

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      Oh.

   9. CRChristopher Ryan15:07

      And so Spain, they talked to the American government, like, "Hey, stop giving Spanish kids licenses," and the US is like, "Fuck you, we do it the way we do it. We're number one."

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       (laughs)

   11. CRChristopher Ryan15:15

       And so Spain was like, "All right. Then fuck Americans."

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       Wow.

   13. CRChristopher Ryan15:19

       And so now it's this giant pain in the ass if you're an American living in Spain.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Oh, man. So, what happens if you get caught and you don't have a license, if you're driving around? They pull you over?

   15. CRChristopher Ryan15:27

       You get a fine.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       How much?

   17. CRChristopher Ryan15:29

       A few hundred euros.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       That seems like a bargain.

   19. CRChristopher Ryan15:31

       That's what I figured.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       That means you, you get paid over 10 times to get pulled over?

   21. CRChristopher Ryan15:35

       (laughs) That's what I figured.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       In order to-

   23. CRChristopher Ryan15:35

       I was like, uh, what you do is-

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Make the payment?

   25. CRChristopher Ryan15:37

       ... you pretend you're a tourist.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Right. Just in town traveling?

   27. CRChristopher Ryan15:40

       Have your passport.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Right.

   29. CRChristopher Ryan15:41

       You know? Don't have a vehicle registered in your name. Not that I would ever do any of these things, but-

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       Yeah, I was reading about, uh, expats and about people who just decide to just, like, go and move over to Europe for a while.
7. 20:40 – 26:03

   Language-class humiliation stories: Judy Gumpf, German class, and missed signals

   1. CRChristopher Ryan20:40

      I took three years of German in, um, you know, middle school, high school because I- I'd initially signed up for Spanish, which would have been the smart move, but then over the summer I was like eighth grade, I think? And over the summer, uh, this girl named Judy Gumpf who I just ... I lusted after Judy Gumpf.

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:01

      Ooh.

   3. CRChristopher Ryan21:01

      She was this like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:02

      Tell me about Judy.

   5. CRChristopher Ryan21:03

      Judy Gumpf was like the 15-year-old who was totally built and, you know, gorgeous and smart and-

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:10

      Right.

   7. CRChristopher Ryan21:11

      ... going out with a 23-year-old dude with a Camaro.

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:14

      Of course. Ah. (laughs)

   9. CRChristopher Ryan21:16

      (laughs) So I ... And here I am with my zits and- and braces and I'm thinking I got a shot at Judy Gumpf. So I s- she was taking German and she said, "Oh, but there are only eight people in the class. I don't know if they're gonna do it 'cause you should have nine." And I was like, "Judy, I'm gonna call the school and switch over to German." And I did.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:33

       Wow.

   11. CRChristopher Ryan21:33

       I sat in that class for three years with Herr Flint. And Judy, never had a shot at Judy, of course.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       (laughs)

   13. CRChristopher Ryan21:40

       And then Herr Flint, I- I could not ... I have no talent for language. I'm, like, I'm all right in English, but, like, when you start talking grammar and the accusative case and, you know, in German there are three genders and- and, you know, there's die, der, das, masculine, feminine, and neutral. And every noun has a gender and it's like a fucking nightmare.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:01

       So is neutral for objects? Like, das Boot?

   15. CRChristopher Ryan22:04

       Yeah. Right? Objects. But also it's weird because, like, uh, Mädchen, girl, is neutral.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:12

       Ah.

   17. CRChristopher Ryan22:12

       And you would think girl would have a fucking feminine gender, right?

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:15

       Girl is neutral.

   19. CRChristopher Ryan22:15

       Yeah. Das, das Mädchen. But anyway, uh-

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:19

       Huh.

   21. CRChristopher Ryan22:19

       Herr Flint was also the soccer coach. So we sort of had this unspoken agreement that if I was on the soccer team, he would pass me in German even though I was lost constantly. I mean, I would have failed out for sure, but he would give me a C as long as I was on the soccer team. Not that I was any soccer star. It's just that he needed enough people on the team that they'd keep paying him or they'd shut it down. So my memory of German is basically humiliation from Judy Gumpf 'cause I never got anywhere, humiliation in the class 'cause I couldn't understand a fucking thing-

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:54

       (laughs)

   23. CRChristopher Ryan22:54

       ... and humiliation on the soccer field because not only did I suck at soccer, but he would scream at me in German.

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:01

       (laughs)

   25. CRChristopher Ryan23:02

       'Cause I was in the German class ... (laughs) So it was like he-

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:05

       Oh, God.

   27. CRChristopher Ryan23:05

       It was my tutoring or something. So like, "Nein, Dummkopf." Like, yeah, yeah. Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:11

       In my Italian class in high school, there was this really friendly, beautiful Puerto Rican girl. She was beautiful. Like, she was the type of girl that I would've been way too nervous to ask out or way too nervous to approach. I just would've need- I would have needed a bunch of green lights to talk to her. I'd be super nervous. But she would approach me and she was always inviting me to go places with her.

   29. CRChristopher Ryan23:31

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:32

       Her and her friends. And I'm like, "Well, w- what are you guys doing?" "Oh, we're go- you know, like, a camp out. We're gonna do this thing." And, and there was this, uh, getaway for the weekend. L- like, one of them I couldn't do so I was, I was fighting back then. One of them I couldn't do 'cause I had a fight and one of them I couldn't do because I think ... I don't remember what the fucking reason was, but it was, it was enough of a reason that I would say no to this hot Puerto Rican girl asking me to go somewhere with her on the weekend.
8. 26:03 – 33:46

   Cults, documentary fascination, and why podcasting can feel cult-adjacent

   1. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

      Mm-hmm.

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:03

      And they'd all, like, hang together. It was very strange. It was like, I was watching people get, l- like, uh, d- ... They got culted up.

   3. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:03

      I mean, I was watching it happen. But it was all, like, standard, standard, you know, Christian stuff, but extremely involved in your life, very rabid, and, you know, and recruiting, proselytizing everyone.

   5. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:03

      And the fact that this ha- Like, it was very strange 'cause I was like, "You dummy, of course she doesn't like you. She wants to bring you to Jesus." (laughs)

   7. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

      (laughs) Well, you know, maybe she was gonna fuck you to Jesus.

   8. JRJoe Rogan26:03

      I didn't think so.

   9. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       I didn't have much confidence back then, believe it or not. I didn't think it was gonna happen.

   11. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

       Uh, you know, uh, does anyone have confidence at 19, 20?

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       Pff. Really dumb kids. (laughs)

   13. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

       Yeah. That's it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       When I was 19, I was like, I j- j- couldn't ... Nothing made any sense. I might've been 20 when it happened.

   15. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

       Yeah. If you think you got it figured out at 19 or 20, you're destined for a life-

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       Yeah.

   17. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

       ... you know, stacking shelves somewhere.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       I can't imagine that it was in '89. It doesn't make any sense, unless my whole timeline for when I quit college is off.

   19. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

       I just finished watching, um, binge-watching this new Netflix documentary about the Rajneeshi, you know, the sannyasins in Oregon.

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       Oh, is that the Wild West? What is it called?

   21. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

       Wild, Wild Country.

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       Wild, Wild Country. Yeah.

   23. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       I've heard it's amazing.

   25. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

       It's really good.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       It's h-

   27. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

       You get-

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       How many s- episodes?

   29. CRChristopher Ryan26:03

       Six, six episodes, I think. Yeah. We just binge-watched it. Um, I have a buddy who was a sannyasin for b- 15 years, maybe, something like that.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       Wow.
9. 33:46 – 39:58

   Sex at Dawn backlash: ‘cherry-picking,’ emotional reactions, and defending ideas vs. ego

   1. JRJoe Rogan33:46

      Um, it's one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on.

   2. CRChristopher Ryan33:48

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan33:49

      It's n- Uh, yeah, I have an intervention-

   4. CRChristopher Ryan33:51

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan33:51

      ... on behalf of Brett Weinstein.

   6. CRChristopher Ryan33:53

      Yeah. You gonna get me married?

   7. JRJoe Rogan33:55

      You know, um, I told you in the email that I felt bad when your book came up on the show and I didn't know how to defend it. And I didn't know what to do because I didn't ... I was in that weird moment where I was recommending it 'cause I like it, 'cause I think it's a great book. And-

   8. CRChristopher Ryan34:08

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan34:08

      ... he was saying that it just ...

   10. CRChristopher Ryan34:11

       It's debunked.

   11. JRJoe Rogan34:12

       Well, I think he said you-

   12. CRChristopher Ryan34:13

       It's a funny word.

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:13

       ... cherry-picked data.

   14. CRChristopher Ryan34:14

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan34:15

       Right? Which is always weird.

   16. CRChristopher Ryan34:18

       Well, the thing is, any sort of popular non-scien- or nonfiction book is y- you have to choose what data you're gonna include, right?

   17. JRJoe Rogan34:27

       Right.

   18. CRChristopher Ryan34:27

       I mean, there's an infinite amount of data. And so, of course, you form, uh, an argument and then you present data that supports your argument.

   19. JRJoe Rogan34:36

       Did you ever consider, um, arguing against yourself?

   20. CRChristopher Ryan34:39

       Sure.

   21. JRJoe Rogan34:39

       Yeah.

   22. CRChristopher Ryan34:40

       Yeah. And in fact, the book is, you know, the book is written as an argument against the standard narrative.

   23. JRJoe Rogan34:46

       Mm.

   24. CRChristopher Ryan34:46

       So, you know, we had to present this. What is the standard narrative? Who believes this? You know, who thinks that people evolved, uh, as monogamous? And so we quote quite heavily from those people.

   25. JRJoe Rogan34:56

       Mm.

   26. CRChristopher Ryan34:56

       Um, but, you know, the thing is, I mean, and I really appreciated your email. And I, uh, you know, uh, we don't need to talk about this at any length. But it's not your job to defend the book, and it's not even my job, really, to defend the book. I think once a book is out, it's out.

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:13

       Right.

   28. CRChristopher Ryan35:13

       The book is there. You-

   29. JRJoe Rogan35:15

       But isn't it ... It's not just the book. It's that when someone goes hard on a book, it's, uh, they're doing it about you as well.

   30. CRChristopher Ryan35:24

       If they-
10. 39:58 – 44:01

    Religion, wealth, and awe: the Vatican, cathedrals, and engineered spectacle

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:58

       They're their own country. Do you know that?

    2. CRChristopher Ryan39:59

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:59

       Yeah. Um, when I was there, uh, you know, when you, when you just walk around the Vatican and just see the fucking vast amount of pilfered riches that are all-

    4. CRChristopher Ryan40:10

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:10

       ... just sucked out by an ideology.

    6. CRChristopher Ryan40:12

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:12

       I mean, that's really what it is. Like that, that church, that whatever the fuck you wanna call it, that religion, they just acquired an ungodly amount of wealth.

    8. CRChristopher Ryan40:21

       Literally ungodly.

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:22

       Ungodly. Yeah.

    10. CRChristopher Ryan40:24

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:24

        It, it's fucking stunning.

    12. CRChristopher Ryan40:25

        Yeah, Jesus is all about living in poverty-

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:27

        Yeah.

    14. CRChristopher Ryan40:27

        ... and hanging out with sex workers. And these guys are like-

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:30

        Just lavish wealth.

    16. CRChristopher Ryan40:31

        Yeah, yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:31

        And it's crazy because if Jesus came back, the first thing he'd say is like, "What the fuck have you guys done?"

    18. CRChristopher Ryan40:36

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:37

        Like, "What have you done? Look at these gigantic places that you built. And I told you guys, you don't even have to be anywhere for this."

    20. CRChristopher Ryan40:43

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:44

        You don't, you don't need to have some ornate temple with stained glass windows-

    22. CRChristopher Ryan40:49

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:49

        ... and it took craftsmen like ... Like Saint Peter's Basilica. I'm like, is it a shock that that is probably one of the most stunning things that I've ever seen in my life?

    24. CRChristopher Ryan41:01

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan41:01

        Like one of the most beautiful works of art, yet was created for this religion that most likely the people that were living in that day were probably like worshiping these people that were running this thing, like as if they were deities themselves.

    26. CRChristopher Ryan41:17

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan41:18

        And they needed them to have the biggest, craziest building.

    28. CRChristopher Ryan41:21

        They impress the rubes, right? When they come in from the countryside-

    29. JRJoe Rogan41:24

        Yeah.

    30. CRChristopher Ryan41:24

        ... and they walk into a cathedral like, "Holy fuck."
11. 44:01 – 51:53

    Primal entertainment, death anxiety, and human adaptations: UFC, drowning, and aquatic ape theory

    1. CRChristopher Ryan44:01

       Do you ever think about the Colosseum when you're doing UFC commentary, and it's kinda like this modern...

    2. JRJoe Rogan44:06

       A little bit, right.

    3. CRChristopher Ryan44:08

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan44:08

       It's definitely, um, a big, violent distraction from everyday life that people really look forward to and enjoy.

    5. CRChristopher Ryan44:15

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan44:15

       You know? For, like, entertainment value. I mean, it's as, it's primal as you can get without anybody really dying-

    7. CRChristopher Ryan44:23

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan44:23

       ... you know? I mean, that's-

    9. CRChristopher Ryan44:24

       Most of the time.

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:24

        ... most of the time, yeah.

    11. CRChristopher Ryan44:25

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan44:25

        I mean, no one has in the UFC.

    13. CRChristopher Ryan44:27

        Oh.

    14. JRJoe Rogan44:27

        Ever. But it's because they have the s- most stringent rules and because they have the best medical staff and the best referees and all that stuff, but it's also just luck.

    15. CRChristopher Ryan44:39

        Hmm.

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:40

        'Cause, like, people can die sparring. It happens.

    17. CRChristopher Ryan44:42

        What... If you're, if you're in a chokehold and you don't tap out...

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:47

        You just go unconscious, and then when they-

    19. CRChristopher Ryan44:49

        And then you'll be all right?

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:50

        ... they... Separate... Yeah, you'll be fine.

    21. CRChristopher Ryan44:50

        And you can feel when someone-

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:52

        Yes, yes.

    23. CRChristopher Ryan44:52

        ... goes unconscious, their muscles relax?

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:53

        Yeah, you just, they just, they slump, and the referee, sometimes the referee, like, pick up an arm-

    25. CRChristopher Ryan44:57

        Ugh.

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:57

        ... even like the old pro-wrestling move. Like, they would check to see if the guy was still awake.

    27. CRChristopher Ryan45:01

        (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan45:01

        Like, they would pick the arm and the guy would be like, "Aah."

    29. CRChristopher Ryan45:04

        (laughs)

    30. JRJoe Rogan45:04

        And the crowd would go nuts.
12. 51:53 – 1:00:38

    Animal intelligence and human IQ controversies: elephants painting and the Bell Curve debate

    1. CRChristopher Ryan51:53

       Yeah. I mean, that's... To me, this is one of the deepest questions in life, right?

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:58

       Did you ever see the elephant that painted a picture of itself?

    3. CRChristopher Ryan52:00

       Sure. Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:01

       That's crazy.

    5. CRChristopher Ryan52:02

       Yeah, in Thailand, I think.

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:03

       Yeah. Pull-

    7. CRChristopher Ryan52:04

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan52:04

       Pull that up. That is one of those things where you go, "Okay, wait a minute. A dog can't do that."

    9. CRChristopher Ryan52:09

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan52:09

        "I thought you said this thing was as smart as a dog." 'Cause that's-

    11. CRChristopher Ryan52:13

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan52:13

        ... that's a hundred times smarter than a dog.

    13. CRChristopher Ryan52:14

        And there are, like, gray parrots that have, you know, 300-word vocabularies or something.

    14. JRJoe Rogan52:19

        Really?

    15. CRChristopher Ryan52:19

        Yeah. I mean, I don't... Don't quote me on the number, but Jamie can look that up. There's this-

    16. JRJoe Rogan52:23

        They can speak a whole, like, sentence?

    17. CRChristopher Ryan52:24

        Yeah, and they can... And there's a guy... I remember seeing this recently. There's a guy who has a border collie who, um, you know, obviously can't talk, but understands well over 100 words. And so what he'll do is, like, he'll put all these different toys behind a wall and he'll say, "Go get me the, the yellow bunny." And there's, like, a yellow bunny, a red bunny, and a green bunny, in addition to hundreds of other shit, and the dog will go find the yellow bunny and bring it back.

    18. JRJoe Rogan52:49

        Whoa.

    19. CRChristopher Ryan52:49

        You know, "Go get me the, the, you know, the green turtle." Like, he'll go get it. So the dog knows those words, right?

    20. JRJoe Rogan52:56

        And also, the dog sees in color.

    21. CRChristopher Ryan52:59

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan52:59

        I guess that's a predator.

    23. CRChristopher Ryan53:00

        I guess so, yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan53:00

        Predators see in color.

    25. CRChristopher Ryan53:02

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan53:02

        I think... So here's the, the elephant painting itself. It is fucking crazy because it really looks like itself. And this guy helps it and gets the brush and puts it in its hand, but the elephant is essentially doing all of this with its trunk and just replicating itself. And it's proportional, too. It's, it's really... Like, dude, that's better than a four-year-old.

    27. CRChristopher Ryan53:25

        Now, lo- look at the dude, though. The dude was holding his tusk.

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:28

        Yeah.

    29. NANarrator53:29

        You have to training them to do that, I think.

    30. JRJoe Rogan53:31

        Well, I'm sure they're training him. I mean-
13. 1:00:38 – 1:09:33

    Fasting, cooking, and microbiome coincidences: Big Bend detour to the ‘poop transplant’ scientist

    1. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:38

       You could, really? Right. And fasting is the only intervention that's ever been shown to extend lifespan.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       Mm, nut nuts.

    3. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:45

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       I do it because it makes me, um, just function better. I do it every 16 hours i, um, I eat. So, uh, I'll eat and then I don't eat for 16 hours. So I'll eat for eight hours of the day.

    5. CRChristopher Ryan1:00:58

       Uh-huh.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       That's it. When that's over, that's over. I don't eat again for 16 hours.

    7. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:01

       So you... So what is it, like 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM or something?

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       Whatever it is. I just figure out what the time is and then add, add 16 to it.

    9. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:08

       If you have-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

        If I'm cheating, I add 14, but I never add less than 14.

    11. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:12

        Ah, I see. Yeah. I, I was talking to a guy recently about this, um, Bryan Freisinger in, in Austin. Really, really smart guy. And we were talking about this and he's like, "I only eat when the sun's up."

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

        Ooh.

    13. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:23

        It's easy to keep track of.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

        That's good.

    15. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:25

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

        But what if you wanna go to a nice dinner?

    17. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:27

        ... don't eat.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

        Wow. Nonsense.

    19. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:30

        Or, or go earlier. I know-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

        Take ... Take ... You gotta have cheat days.

    21. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:32

        When he said it, I was like, "Dude," you know.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

        Yeah.

    23. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:34

        I spend most of my life in Spain where dinnertime is 10:00 PM. Like, (laughs) that's not gonna work for me.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

        If I go to a restaurant, I'll allow myself to have a little bit of bread, allow myself to have dessert occasionally. I'll allow myself to eat some shitty things-

    25. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:45

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

        ... like maybe a little pasta-

    27. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:47

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:47

        ... if I feel like it. Fuck it. You have to be ... I think you have to both be disciplined, and also I enjoy the art form of cooking.

    29. CRChristopher Ryan1:01:55

        Oh, yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:55

        Like, I enjoy that people make these delicious dishes.

Episode duration: 3:17:12