EVERY SPOKEN WORD
150 min read · 30,024 words- 0:00 – 1:28
Welcome, fan shout-out, and the Exile in Guyville reissue setup
- JRJoe Rogan
... keep joints in it, but it's not quite big enough. The hole is-
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... not quite joint height.
- LPLiz Phair
Oh, yeah, 'cause they come out, like, all bent and sad.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Oh, we're live. Yeah. I tried to keep joints in there, but it didn't... Just-
- LPLiz Phair
How many did you put in there?
- JRJoe Rogan
They all kinda were like, it was like half on, half smushed.
- LPLiz Phair
You need, like, one of those bubble gum brains.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- LPLiz Phair
And just stick it in there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Uh, I didn't want to fanboy out when I met you, but I'm a huge fan.
- LPLiz Phair
Thank you very much.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just to let you know. I really love your music.
- LPLiz Phair
Thank you very much.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think Dave Cross is the first guy who turned me onto you. I think or-
- LPLiz Phair
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I don't remember how. I just remember him telling me about Exile In Guyville.
- LPLiz Phair
Do you mean Mr. Showed?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
Davey Cross?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, he's the one. Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
He was a big ... Mr. Show was, in my happiest touring iteration, like that was what we watched every night after the show. We'd hit the bus and everyone would watch Mr. Show till we passed out.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a genius show. I think it's like for Bob, I mean Bob did great on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad and he's done a lot of other stuff that's awesome too, but there's a, something about the two of those guys together.
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
A very unusual combination. And their writing is just so bizarre and weird, but they did a Netflix thing for a while. I don't know if ... Are they still doing that?
- NANarrator
Uh, I don't think so.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you know?
- NANarrator
I think he's doing those other shows now. I don't think so.
- JRJoe Rogan
Too bad. Anyway-
- LPLiz Phair
Hmm.
- 1:28 – 2:58
DIY origin story: four-track tapes, cassette trading, and accidental buzz
- LPLiz Phair
It's a reissue of my first record, Exile In Guyville, um, with the original girly sound tapes that I made on a four-track in, God, late '80s, early '90s.
- JRJoe Rogan
Was that when you were living at home?
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah. That was when I was recalled back from San Francisco having not gotten a job and run out of money and grifted my way across, like, the Bay Area. Um, I mean, I had a place. We st- we ... I was rooming ... Everyone from my college class moved out to San Francisco basically, from Overland.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- LPLiz Phair
So I went too. And, um, I made these little cassettes that I forwarded to two friends and one of them got super busy making copies of these cassettes and sent them to every fan zine in America with this like glowing recommendation and all of a sudden (laughs) I was getting ... I was living at home, um, still didn't have a job, and I would get these envelopes coming to me saying like, "Please make me a cassette copy. Here's $10." And can you imagine (laughs) what happened to the $10? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
Like, how awful is that? I truly just like, I was like, "Great. Thanks."
- JRJoe Rogan
Thanks for 10 bucks.
- LPLiz Phair
I wasn't making the ... Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Great.
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah. Like there's about like a 100 people that didn't get their cassette.
- JRJoe Rogan
Damn.
- LPLiz Phair
But I wasn't making the cassettes. But anyway, that's sort of ... Taewan Yoo is actually the person who made lots of cassettes and sent them around, so-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- LPLiz Phair
... I have him to thank.
- 2:58 – 4:46
Stage fright and performance anxiety: dreading the gig until it starts
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you have a thought that you were going to eventually make it or be a big singer? Or did you ... Was that even an idea?
- LPLiz Phair
Not a clue.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's crazy.
- LPLiz Phair
I hated being in front of people, like I would not wanna ... I loved being in the studio, I loved recording, but I didn't ... I was super stage frightened and I couldn't think of anything I'd rather do less than get up in front of people (laughs) and play music or do anything.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah. Absolutely.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow. But did you-
- LPLiz Phair
It was hard. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But you obviously have a love of music.
- LPLiz Phair
I love playing music, I just, I get very self-conscious with a crowd.
- JRJoe Rogan
We gotta pull this sucker up to you, otherwise we're not gonna ... There we go.
- LPLiz Phair
I get very self-conscious in front of a crowd.
- JRJoe Rogan
Still?
- LPLiz Phair
Not so much anymore.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
I do, about two weeks before I hit the stage, I will stop sleeping and then-
- JRJoe Rogan
Really? Two weeks?
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah. And I'll work myself into this kind of cold sweat when I think about it.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs) You know, and like, I'll be like, "Can I leave the country?" And then-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
... like I get on the stage and it all comes back to me and I'm like, "I've done this a million times. This is the best job in the world." And-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- LPLiz Phair
It just, it ... I can't psych myself into that feeling until I'm actually on stage.
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe that's just 'cause you care about it so much.
- LPLiz Phair
Probably.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
I'm too alert. We should be smoking those joints that are not in that pack.
- JRJoe Rogan
We can. I have some over here. No?
- LPLiz Phair
I'm ... Can't even imagine where we'd go with that.
- 4:46 – 6:10
Ancient Egypt, the Sphinx erosion theory, and why UFO conferences annoy Joe
- JRJoe Rogan
In the UFO ... We talked about that right before the podcast. Yeah, there's this guy that's coming on, his name is Dr. Robert Schoch and he's a geologist from, uh, Boston University, and he's worked on ... There's, uh, some real scientists that believe it's entirely possible that the Sphinx and a lot of the construction in Egypt is far older than they think it is.
- LPLiz Phair
I know all about this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you know all this?
- LPLiz Phair
I know all about this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. Do you know about Robert Schoch?
- LPLiz Phair
It's the rain runoff-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yes.
- LPLiz Phair
... and how much erosion has occurred-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- LPLiz Phair
... around the base or around the pit that the-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LPLiz Phair
And it absolutely couldn't have been done, depending on like the way the Sphinx is built, where it's located, the siting.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
Where its level is, is m- far older, so.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. They think it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 9000 plus BC because that's the l- ... When ... Back then, the Nile Valley was a rainforest, and somehow or another became a desert. And, um, this guy's, you know, legit Boston University professor, geologist, and he's traveling all over the place, but he's here for some UFO conference and the UFO people wanted to, him to mention the UFO conference. And I'm like, "Fucking Christ with UFO conferences."
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You guys don't have anything. If you had something, it'd be ... What are you gonna get together at a, a fucking Marriott-
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... somewhere and show, show some blurry picture of some fucking hubcap-
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... that someone chucked up into the air? Like there's nothing. Everything that, everything that they look at falls apart under scrutiny. There's like a few videos.
- 6:10 – 9:16
Disclosure Project debate: credibility, attention-seeking, and the “bullshit radar”
- LPLiz Phair
Okay. Okay. I'm gonna push back on this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Please do. Please do.
- LPLiz Phair
Let's just say, what about ... Do you know the Discovery Disclosure?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- LPLiz Phair
Disclosure?
- JRJoe Rogan
Disclosure Project. Yes.
- LPLiz Phair
Okay. There was their first press conference when they got all the ... I'm, I'm, I tend to be impressed by the military-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LPLiz Phair
... you know, ranking members. I'm sort of like, "Ugh." If you were, if you were guarding missile silos and you say you saw something hover above it and deactivate-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LPLiz Phair
... you know, I'm probably gonna check that out a little harder. And there were just so many people that stood up, you know, in that press conference and said that they absolutely had seen evidence, met extraterrestrials, seen the crafts, like in hangers, et cetera.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep.
- LPLiz Phair
And to me, like I, they didn't look like they had that much imagination. They're the kind of people that I didn't think could really... I mean, did you find that convincing at all?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, here's why.
- LPLiz Phair
No? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
No, 'cause the guy who did-
- LPLiz Phair
They're just like a whole bunch of liars, a whole line of liars.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's Steven Greer, right? The C- Disclosure Project is Steven Greer's thing.
- LPLiz Phair
It's not so much about him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
He doesn't appeal to me as much as the people that he brought on, who were mostly military guys, pilots.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Here's the thing about military. Anybody who's in the military is a person. If you get 100 people together, one of them is out of their fucking mind.
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
If you get a million people, you've got a shit ton of people that are out of their fucking mind that are running around that want extra attention. One of the best ways to say you're, you- r- one of the best ways to get extra attention is to say you've had some extraordinary experience that separates you from the pack.
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's one of the main points of delusion that people that are really out of their fucking mind will, wa- wanna point to, "I see things in people. I can read auras. I can tell... I'm a psychic healer. I'm an intuitive person." They all have this thing that separates them from the herd without any work whatsoever. I feel like a lot of these people are that. They want attention, and so they tell these extraordinary stories. Now, when you said they're not creative, that's a very astute point, 'cause they all have the same fucking story, 'cause it's the same story that's been going on forever. They just repeat shit they've already heard. Most of these people I think are full of shit. I think it is entirely possible that UFOs have been here, entirely possible that c- people have seen UFOs, entirely possible. But a lot of those people, my fucking bullshit radar just goes off, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
- LPLiz Phair
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I, I've talked to too many of them. When I did that television show, Joe Rogan Questions Everything, and I met with UFO people and Bigfoot people, I was telling you before the podcast, it cured me. 'Cause I got to be around those people for hours and just talk to them with no cameras on. I'm like, "Oh, you're fucking crazy." Or, "You're delusional." Or, "Your way of looking at things is not objective." Or, "You're talking to me because you want to convince me of something. You're not just communicating the ideas that are actually in your head. You're pitching me some sort of a speech. You're like- you've got some sort of a performance you're doing for me."
- LPLiz Phair
Oh, okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I smell it. And as a performer, I smell it. I'm like, "This is nonsense. You're telling me nonsense." You know, they were telling... "Well, you, you want evidence? I'll back a truck up and show you the evidence." I'm like, "Where's your fucking evidence? You don't have any evidence."
- 9:16 – 12:17
Ball lightning explained—then Liz describes seeing it on a lightning-struck flight
- JRJoe Rogan
Relationships, jobs, they're all screwballs. They're almost all screwballs. The people that are most convincing are the people that see these orbs flying around.
- LPLiz Phair
The pilots.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Well, the reason why they see these things is there's a real phenomenon called ball lightning. It's absolutely real, and it's caused by various weather conditions, and they think that it can even be caused sometimes by the right weather conditions and the shifting of tectonic plates that somehow or another the friction-
- LPLiz Phair
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. And that these b- ball lightning, if you've ever seen videos of it, it's phenomenal. It just flies around. They've even had it inside airplanes. Somehow or another, ball lightning has shot down the aisle of an airplane while it was in flight.
- LPLiz Phair
I've actually seen it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you really?
- LPLiz Phair
I've actually seen ball lightning-
- JRJoe Rogan
Where have you seen it?
- LPLiz Phair
... on a flight that was struck by lightning.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- LPLiz Phair
It was pink.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- LPLiz Phair
And it sounded like a giant BB gun hit a tin can. Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa. You were on a plane that was hit by lightning?
- LPLiz Phair
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Holy shit.
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's intense.
- LPLiz Phair
It was very intense. I was coming off a tour, and I wanted to get back to my very young son. I told him I'd be there in the morning when he woke up. So I ended like up going on this odyssey like planes, trains and automobiles-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LPLiz Phair
... you know, trying to get to my son. (laughs) Like I was like, "I will be there in the morning." And it was terrible weather. It was just like the worst on the East Coast, and we kept taking... I think twice we took off and had to land before we could get to our destination and get in the plane and go off again. And me being a crazy mom, I'm like, "Fuck it. I'm gonna get there." Um, so I get in this plane and it's very bad. We're flying right through a thunderstorm, but I've, I've flown so many times. I've, I, my parents took me a million places. We traveled a lot when I was young, so I've just been flying forever. And (laughs) we were on this plane (laughs) and the lightning's going off and thunder and we're rattling around. And it's not a very big plane, and my seatmate, I think, I didn't know who he was, but he seemed like a decent, nice young man. And like the lightning just hit the plane. You get this big tang of the, you know, the shock of the electricity just hitting it. We drop about, I don't know what, I don't know what makes a big stomach drop, but we drop far. It's like 25 feet, I don't know, just like bam. And this pink ball of electricity just goes like whoosh down the aisle in the center of the aisle.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
He pukes. I grab him (laughs) like...
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
And I did not let go of this stranger-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- LPLiz Phair
... who just puked like until we were, you know, like, it just, it took about, you know, 10 minutes and then I was like, "Ha ha ha ha." Uh, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- LPLiz Phair
... that was intense. And I made it.
- 12:17 – 16:33
More travel danger: engine fire, emergency landing, and the body’s fear response
- LPLiz Phair
I got lots of crazy plane almost-crash stories.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah? What else?
- LPLiz Phair
Uh, there was a time that the engine was on fire and I could see it. That sucked.
- JRJoe Rogan
(gasps) You could see it on fire?
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Where were you? Please don't say over the ocean.
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah.... but not far. We were just off outside of Boston. We took off nighttime, again, after a show, trying to get home to my kid. I mean, this is like the saddest mom story ever, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
... (laughs) trying to get home to my kid. Um, and it was night, and I was looking at the lights, the sort of... I forget what they're called, those orange lights, you know, the... And it was over the bay, I could see the water. And we just weren't rising quickly enough, you know? It just... I was like, "Why, why aren't we gaining altitude? What's going on?" You know? It just doesn't seem right. And someone on my left, I was in the last row, and someone on my left said something like, "The engine's on fire," whatever, right as the captain comes on and says, "Ladies and gentlemen, we have a problem with one of the engines. We are gonna have to make an emergency landing. Please remain in your seat, da, da, da."
- JRJoe Rogan
(beep)
- LPLiz Phair
And I look over (laughs) and you can literally see flames shooting outta the... Like, it... 'Cause the, the engine was about 10 rows ahead of me, but the sparks were visible behind (laughs) , you know, because you're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Holy shit, yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
Do you understand like the physics?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. (laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
So like it's a long trail of sparks-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LPLiz Phair
... coming out of that thing. And so we get to the point where we're gonna make our, like, landing, and to see the flight attendants scared shitless was not a fun experience. I think that frightened me the most, like seeing their faces. And we had to get into the crouch position, you know that position?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
The brace yourself position. And the captain came on, I think the last thing he said, which was not reassuring, was, "Please brace for a very rough landing." And I'm, I'm thinking, "If you're crashing, it doesn't... You can't say anything more than that."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LPLiz Phair
"Ladies and gentlemen..." I mean, like, that's it. "Please prepare for a very rough landing." And what happened... I know I'm, like, monologuing-
- JRJoe Rogan
No, no, no, no. Please go.
- LPLiz Phair
But like what happened to my body at that moment was I went into f- this only happened twice in my life - full, uh, tremors, like full body... Do you know, have you ever had that? It's different than like nervous shaking or cold shaking. It's like full brr. And your body's just like completely vibrating, like at another frequency. And I realized for the first time in my life that I didn't care if I was dead, like, in two seconds and I felt nothing. It really upset me that my body, my soft, squishy body, was gonna be, like, pinned into metal.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- LPLiz Phair
It bugged me. Like, I really thought, like, "We're never doing this again." Like, this... It just became very, very real that my, that I cared about this arm and I cared about this leg, and I didn't want, like, it to be completely mangled and, like, stuck in metal. And we hit the... We got the ground. It was a very rough landing, (laughs) and there were firetrucks going like 110 miles an hour on either side of us, spraying us with the deaccelerant or whatever that is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
And (laughs) just suddenly, like, foam on the windows. And are you ready for this? So it was not a fun thing, but we survived and no one was harmed, and then we had to get back on another plane-
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- LPLiz Phair
... because I had to go home to see my kid. So we literally sat there and waited and got right back on another plane-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- 16:33 – 20:33
Bermuda Triangle methane theory and the ocean as an ‘alien world’
- LPLiz Phair
What about the Cessna that lost power over the Bermuda Triangle? Is that good?
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what that is? They think, they think it's nitrogen escaping from the sea floor. They think there's trapped nitrogen in massive amounts, you know, 'cause there's a lot of, like, dead, uh, things and decaying things, like vegetation, things like that, and they trap nitrogen pockets. And those nitrogen pockets, when they lift up, they can go through the surface of the water and up into the air. And if a plane is flying into that... It's methane. Is it methane?
- LPLiz Phair
Methane.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wait a minute. Am I saying it wrong?
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah, 'cause nitrogen is everywhere.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's mostly air. Yeah. It's like 84% of the air. But I think there's something about it being a giant pocket that you fly through. I might be wrong.
- LPLiz Phair
You're talking about the gas bubbles-
- JRJoe Rogan
Was I right?
- LPLiz Phair
... that escape-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it nitrogen?
- LPLiz Phair
... in the tectonic things?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's methane? Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
And it can, like, make a ship go down-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- LPLiz Phair
... 'cause suddenly there's no density.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. There's no buoyancy for the ships and also for planes. It makes... It could be... Yeah. Okay. This is it.
- LPLiz Phair
This is awesome.
- JRJoe Rogan
Gas explosions explain the Bermuda Triangle.
- LPLiz Phair
We can Google?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, we can Google.
- LPLiz Phair
Oh, my God.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is how we roll with it.
- LPLiz Phair
I'm never leaving.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Come stay. You can come anytime you want.
- LPLiz Phair
This is incredible.
- JRJoe Rogan
We can come and just talk about UFOs every week.
- LPLiz Phair
Oh my God, this is incredible.
- JRJoe Rogan
Explosions of trapped methane gas are thought to account for the mysterious craters in Siberia, including this one. Yeah, and so they think that it has to do something with the Bermuda Triangle as well. So when biological tissue creates methane, and, um, when they have, like, massive amounts of die-off, whether it's fish or whether it's plants or things like that, they think that some of that stuff gets trapped in the bottom of the sea floor and then escapes, goes up to the surface, makes boats sink, and even can bring down planes.
- LPLiz Phair
But how would it make a plane-
- JRJoe Rogan
Because a, a-
- 20:33 – 24:46
Skinwalker Ranch, orbs vs. werewolves, and what people misinterpret
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. The only guy that I ever talked to when I was talking to those UFO people that I believed about UFOs was a guy who was at Skinwalker Ranch, that whole area out there has a shitload of UFO sightings.
- LPLiz Phair
What's Skinwalker Ranch?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's some place that this guy Robert Bigelow owns, and he is a, uh ... What makes it compelling is he actually is an aerospace investor, and he's got a company that makes all these parts and shit for different spaceships and different pods and things to-
- LPLiz Phair
Why?
- JRJoe Rogan
Why does he do them?
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's his business. But he also owns this gigantic ranch in Utah. We went out to visit him, visit the ranch, and visit some of the people around there that had ... And one guy that we talked to that lived around there was just a regular dude, I think he worked in a factory, just a regular guy, not crazy. He was super normal. Like talked to him, not a bullshit artist at all. And he's telling me about this glowing orb that came through the walls of his house and, and floated around inside of his living room and kitchen and then took off through the wall. And I said, "Ugh." Like the way he described it, I absolutely believed that he was telling me the truth, and I think that was ball lightning. I think they have it a lot in that area, and so I think whatever the atmospheric conditions in that area, it's, it's a frequent occurrence. And because of that, a lot of these people see things and then they start talking and then people start looking for them, and then they start talking crazy. And then people started talking about like, they were talking about a bulletproof wolf that appeared out of mist and, like for real, that was like-
- LPLiz Phair
You've got that out front.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, the werewolf? (laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
That's your greeter.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs) That's the bulletproof wolf.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. This, this guy was the only guy that made sense, and I think he saw ball lightning, just like you did.
- LPLiz Phair
But how could it be on the ground like that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm, could just happen, you know, if there's storm conditions. But it does, it occurs not just up in the sky. It occurs at low altitudes as well. You know, they say ball, they don't know why b- Apparently, and I talked to a scientist about this, he was telling me that lightning shouldn't be possible. Like these, there shouldn't be enough power to create lightning. 'Cause like if you do the calculations. He's like, "But clearly we know it's true. So what do we do about that? We don't really know. We don't know enough about lightning." So when you describe ball lightning, he's like, "Well, good fucking luck. Who knows?" Who, what are the atmosphere conditions?
- LPLiz Phair
It could be anything. We don't know enough about it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, we don't know what the conditions are, like what causes it.
- LPLiz Phair
What does it mean there's not enough energy for lightning? They can't, you can't marshal that much electricity in the atmosphere?
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm too stupid to repeat what he said and have it make any sense. But when he was describing it to me, the way he was explaining it, and I think I read it as well, he was ex- he was explaining and what I read was that they don't really understand how that much energy is produced in the sky like that. And that if you calculated like what it would take to produce a cha-cha-cha-boom, that that shouldn't be possible. Again, I'm a moron. So talk about that guy.
- LPLiz Phair
No, I, I wish that every expert were here.
- JRJoe Rogan
I wish he was here too.
- LPLiz Phair
Because like that's fascinating.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So he, what this guy was describing, was talking about ball lightning, what he was saying, they don't know how to recreate ball lightning. They, they have no idea what causes it, but they're sure it's a real thing.
- LPLiz Phair
Wait, we can't re- recreate ball lightning in a-
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- LPLiz Phair
... lab environment?
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't believe so. I don't believe so.
- LPLiz Phair
That's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. But I don't think they could recreate lightning.
- LPLiz Phair
You know, you're right, 'cause we can't generate that amount of power.
- 24:46 – 29:43
Ghosts as ‘future science’: Liz’s philosophy, hotel-room encounters, and object memory
- JRJoe Rogan
Like ghosts?
- LPLiz Phair
You know, it does happen.
- JRJoe Rogan
You believe in ghosts?
- LPLiz Phair
I told you-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is this fair?
- LPLiz Phair
... to, you better back off the ghosts.
- JRJoe Rogan
You believe in ghosts?
- LPLiz Phair
Um, I used to believe a great deal. I still pretty much believe, pretty much. I think basically this is my entire philosophy on all weirdnesses.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- LPLiz Phair
... if you look back 500 years to what they knew scientifically then, it's superstitious, it's magic, it's ridiculous, it's ignorant, et cetera, et cetera. I believe that that's exactly what we are now, to 500 years in the future. So I don't consider it paranormal, I consider it future science.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ghosts are future science?
- LPLiz Phair
Ghosts are future science.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you-
- LPLiz Phair
Aliens are future science. It's all future science and I'm down for that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LPLiz Phair
I'm ready to party with the future science.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm, I'm ready for that. I accept that. Um, my problem is the people that tell ghost stories or those fucking ghost shows.
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs) Those are so bad. They're so faked.
- JRJoe Rogan
They make me angry.
- LPLiz Phair
They're so painfully faked.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
I really believed it for a while, like I really absolutely bought into it, hook, line, and sinker.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
I was like there, watching the little ... There, those, there's all different kinds of ghosts, like the ones that look like, um, Ewoks, or not Ewoks. Which are the ones that are the jet? The first movie, Star Wars, and they like wore their little robes and they were busy. They were like ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- LPLiz Phair
You know, the first ones-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LPLiz Phair
... that Luke ... They're like, "Ah."
- JRJoe Rogan
What were those things?
- LPLiz Phair
"We're selling ro- robots."
- 29:43 – 35:08
Premonitions, anxiety, and time feeling ‘mushy’—including the LA fire story
- LPLiz Phair
That's what I think. 'Cause I've had dreams that were like prefiguring ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Prefiguring?
- LPLiz Phair
And I, I think you can dream ... If something's impactful enough, I think you can dream ... Okay, let's say something really bad happens to you. Imagine something horrible.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- LPLiz Phair
I don't know, the studio explodes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- LPLiz Phair
A couple months maybe before then, you might have a dream ... Or let's just say something goes really, really wrong or bad. Nothing traumatic. You might be able to have a dream ahead of time that would be how you would synthesize that traumatic experience just as if it had happened before and you were dreaming after the fact.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LPLiz Phair
Before.
- JRJoe Rogan
You've had that happen?
- LPLiz Phair
I have.
- JRJoe Rogan
What'd you have it happen with?
- LPLiz Phair
Um, I'm saving that for my book.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- LPLiz Phair
Is it okay?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's okay.
- LPLiz Phair
But it was a very powerful-
- JRJoe Rogan
You can tell me after the show's over?
- LPLiz Phair
... very ... Absolutely.
- JRJoe Rogan
I won't tell any of you. Fuck off.
- LPLiz Phair
Absolutely. Absolutely.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay, good.
- LPLiz Phair
But it was very convincing to me and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- LPLiz Phair
... hard to explain any other way.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you ever had any other sort of psychic premonition?
- LPLiz Phair
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- 35:08 – 38:30
Smoking on-air and what weed does to attention, paranoia, and self-awareness
- LPLiz Phair
Am I like ... Oh, look at this, I am in a den of iniquity. Look at this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
We've got some like, that's some something.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's weed.
- LPLiz Phair
What is that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you want some? We could fire this up. It's good.
- LPLiz Phair
No! God. I don't know what'll come out of my mouth.
- NANarrator
Don't be scared.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good stuff. Don't be scared.
- NANarrator
Be careful.
- LPLiz Phair
Oh. But those are like Snoop Dogg type things. Right? Those are like, what do you call them?
- JRJoe Rogan
They're s- they're joints.
- LPLiz Phair
They're backwoods. Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, they just have uh, brown paper. You don't have to have any.
- LPLiz Phair
Oh my god, we're literally getting high right here?
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Jamie does.
- NANarrator
I do. We do it all the time.
- LPLiz Phair
Seriously?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, this is a podcast. You could do anything. It's legal.
- LPLiz Phair
I'll take a tiny hit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Take a tiny hit. There we go.
- LPLiz Phair
This is crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what I'm talking about. It's definitely not crazy. It's marijuana, it's legal, it's good for you. It's a staple of civilization.
- LPLiz Phair
Yes, but what will happen?
- JRJoe Rogan
Nothing.
- LPLiz Phair
I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
You'll say cool shit.
- LPLiz Phair
Is that enough cigarette stuff in it?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- 38:30 – 47:00
Hunting ethics, Africa’s incentives, and Justin Wren’s Congo wells charity
- LPLiz Phair
Oh, you got the awesome skull there of the longhorn.
- JRJoe Rogan
That is actually an Asian water buffalo ...
- LPLiz Phair
Is it?
- JRJoe Rogan
... my friend, Adam Greentree, shot in Australia.
- LPLiz Phair
That's really cool.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he brought it from Australia for me when he was a guest on the podcast.
- LPLiz Phair
How did he fly that?
- JRJoe Rogan
He just put it in the carry-on. No. (laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Can you imagine?
- LPLiz Phair
Wait and it wasn't even boiled down yet?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it was boiled down.
- LPLiz Phair
It was just the head. You know what I mean? Like ... (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Just like that. Just like that blood and flies.
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah, exactly, like ...
- JRJoe Rogan
"Putting it over head, mate." No, he, he checked it.
- LPLiz Phair
It'll fit, it'll fit.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know if he wrapped it up. He must have 'cause he wouldn't want the bones to crack or break, get knocked around.
- LPLiz Phair
That's beautiful.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he's wrapped it up. Yeah, it's pretty dope. Yeah, he's a wild man, bohunter, and he goes up to the northern area of Australia. Australia, all the animals, essentially the large mammals, are all invasive species. So they have to hunt them because they don't have predators.
- LPLiz Phair
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
So he goes up there and shoots water buffalo with a bow and arrow.
- LPLiz Phair
That's cool.
- JRJoe Rogan
Brought one back for me.
- LPLiz Phair
That's extremely ... I, I respect that as opposed to other types of hunting.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LPLiz Phair
I really respect the idea of, like, mano y mano-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LPLiz Phair
... going out there and being like-
- JRJoe Rogan
What don't you respect? Like-
- 47:00 – 1:01:36
Fear, predators, and viral animal clips: crocodiles, tigers, kangaroos, and lightning stats
- LPLiz Phair
You're changing my idea about my Nile trip that I want to take.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- LPLiz Phair
My bucket list Nile trip. I wanna get one of those big houseboat things-
- JRJoe Rogan
I want to go there too.
- LPLiz Phair
... with like ... Have you ever seen them? They're like double-deckers and then they have the top thing, and it's just, like, a bunch of, sort of, like, game zones. Like, it's just, like, you know, cool lounge chairs with, like, covering. And it's all very open air and it just feels like you'd be having cocktails up there at sunset, walking around, talking to all your family and friends. Bucket list.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm. You'd do it like one of those European explorers.
- LPLiz Phair
And you know what I'd do? Here's what else I'd do. I'd make sure I had, like, a security boat behind me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah, for the kidnappers and shit.
- LPLiz Phair
I'd s- I'd have my little security boat-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
... that was, like, a really zippy fast one.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
You know? Just in case.
- JRJoe Rogan
That would be good. You would definitely need that, for sure. Yeah, fuck that place though. (laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Crocodiles alone ... (coughs)
- LPLiz Phair
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I have a friend who went over there. Um, he has a, a show called, uh, Uncharted, where he just travels all over the, the world and goes on these adventures. And they, they flew him into this, I think it was the Congo, because this local village was having a problem with the people there getting eaten by crocodiles.
- LPLiz Phair
Oh, God.
- JRJoe Rogan
And everyone in the village is, like, missing an arm, they have bites taken-
- LPLiz Phair
Oh, God.
- JRJoe Rogan
... out of their legs. Oh, yeah. These poor people. I mean, they live ... This is the only place where the water is. They have to go there. They even create these little fences where they, um, they, like, try to fence in the area so the crocodiles can't get to that spot. They still get in there somehow and fuck these people up 'cause they've gotten accustomed to eating them.
- LPLiz Phair
Oh, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, no.
- LPLiz Phair
Oh, no. I thought it was just territorial.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, no.
- LPLiz Phair
I thought it was just, like, a-
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- LPLiz Phair
... you know, like a water hole tension.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, animals are, like ... They're opportunists, and once they decide that you're food, that's when it becomes a real problem.
- 1:01:36 – 1:17:52
Surveillance, wires, and the ‘no privacy’ future—virtual reality and Matrix pods
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, that's w- worry about Russia, right? Everybody's worried about Russia, right? There's no thing there's-
- LPLiz Phair
Uh, I'm pissed. I'm not worried, I'm pissed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you see the thing that they're parking submarines over the power li- over the internet lines?
- NANarrator
Yeah. I was wondering about that.
- JRJoe Rogan
What the fuck is that?
- LPLiz Phair
Just to be a dick?
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know. Like, probably to let us know, "Hey, fucker. We cut, cut line with no problem."
- NANarrator
If that happened, how fast do you think it would take before we got something back up again? Or how l- how fast or how long-
- JRJoe Rogan
But isn't it crazy that there's a line that goes across the fucking ocean and that's how the internet works?
- LPLiz Phair
Yes.There are times when I will sit and dream about those lines-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- LPLiz Phair
... and I'll just sit there thinking... I'll see this sort of greenish murk, and then I'll s- hear the silence and that clicking sound that you're under, you know, with all the fishes eating stuff?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LPLiz Phair
You hear that like, literal like clicking stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LPLiz Phair
And I'll picture these lonely ass cables just draped down the side of a cliff, like in the great abyss.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ooh.
- LPLiz Phair
And like I'll just picture their loneliness for a while.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- LPLiz Phair
Yeah.
- NANarrator
Look how many there are.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's intense. Whoa, they're everywhere.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Can you imagine if aliens came here and saw that? They'd be like, "What in the fuck are these crazy assholes doing?"
- LPLiz Phair
Yes. Wires... I asked my son what he thinks we're gonna look back on in the future and think was like the craziest thing we lived with, and he said, "Wires." And I thought it was kind of brilliant.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what a kid would say, right, that lives in this world today-
- LPLiz Phair
But I mean-
- JRJoe Rogan
... that is brilliant?
- LPLiz Phair
Imagine-
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