Joe Rogan Experience #1100 - Liz Phair

Joe Rogan 0:00 ... keep joints in it, but it's not quite big enough. The hole is-

Liz Phair 0:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:03 ... not quite joint height.

Liz Phair 0:03 Oh, yeah, 'cause they come out, like, all bent and sad.

Joe Rogan 0:07 Yeah. Oh, we're live. Yeah. I tried to keep joints in there, but it didn't... Just-

Liz Phair 0:11 How many did you put in there?

Joe Rogan 0:11 They all kinda were like, it was like half on, half smushed.

Liz Phair 0:14 You need, like, one of those bubble gum brains.

Joe Rogan 0:17 Mm.

Liz Phair 0:17 And just stick it in there.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Yeah. Uh, I didn't want to fanboy out when I met you, but I'm a huge fan.

Liz Phair 0:23 Thank you very much.

Joe Rogan 0:23 Just to let you know. I really love your music.

Liz Phair 0:25 Thank you very much.

Joe Rogan 0:25 I think Dave Cross is the first guy who turned me onto you. I think or-

Liz Phair 0:28 Really?

Joe Rogan 0:28 Yeah. I don't remember how. I just remember him telling me about Exile In Guyville.

Liz Phair 0:33 Do you mean Mr. Showed?

Joe Rogan 0:34 Yeah.

Liz Phair 0:34 Davey Cross?

Joe Rogan 0:35 Yeah, yeah, he's the one. Yeah.

Liz Phair 0:36 He was a big ... Mr. Show was, in my happiest touring iteration, like that was what we watched every night after the show. We'd hit the bus and everyone would watch Mr. Show till we passed out.

Joe Rogan 0:47 That's a genius show. I think it's like for Bob, I mean Bob did great on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad and he's done a lot of other stuff that's awesome too, but there's a, something about the two of those guys together.

Liz Phair 0:59 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:59 A very unusual combination. And their writing is just so bizarre and weird, but they did a Netflix thing for a while. I don't know if ... Are they still doing that?

Narrator 1:07 Uh, I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 1:07 Do you know?

Narrator 1:08 I think he's doing those other shows now. I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 1:11 Too bad. Anyway-

Liz Phair 1:13 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:13 ... Dave Cross introduced me to Liz Phair, so there you go.

Liz Phair 1:15 Well, I, um, that's a nice, that's a nice touchstone since it was part of my touring life.

Joe Rogan 1:20 There you go.

Liz Phair 1:20 I feel very good about that.

Joe Rogan 1:22 So you got ... What do you have now? You have a box set out coming out?

Liz Phair 1:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:25 A compilation? Is that what it is?

Liz Phair 1:26 Let me ... Yeah. It's, it's kinda like a-

Joe Rogan 1:28 Okay.

Liz Phair 1:28 It's a reissue of my first record, Exile In Guyville, um, with the original girly sound tapes that I made on a four-track in, God, late '80s, early '90s.

Joe Rogan 1:42 Was that when you were living at home?

Liz Phair 1:44 Yeah. That was when I was recalled back from San Francisco having not gotten a job and run out of money and grifted my way across, like, the Bay Area. Um, I mean, I had a place. We st- we ... I was rooming ... Everyone from my college class moved out to San Francisco basically, from Overland.

Joe Rogan 2:01 Oh.

Liz Phair 2:01 So I went too. And, um, I made these little cassettes that I forwarded to two friends and one of them got super busy making copies of these cassettes and sent them to every fan zine in America with this like glowing recommendation and all of a sudden (laughs) I was getting ... I was living at home, um, still didn't have a job, and I would get these envelopes coming to me saying like, "Please make me a cassette copy. Here's $10." And can you imagine (laughs) what happened to the $10? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:37 (laughs)

Liz Phair 2:37 Like, how awful is that? I truly just like, I was like, "Great. Thanks."

Joe Rogan 2:42 Thanks for 10 bucks.

Liz Phair 2:42 I wasn't making the ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Great.

Liz Phair 2:44 Yeah. Like there's about like a 100 people that didn't get their cassette.

Joe Rogan 2:47 Damn.

Liz Phair 2:47 But I wasn't making the cassettes. But anyway, that's sort of ... Taewan Yoo is actually the person who made lots of cassettes and sent them around, so-

Joe Rogan 2:56 Wow.

Liz Phair 2:56 ... I have him to thank.

Joe Rogan 2:58 Did you have a thought that you were going to eventually make it or be a big singer? Or did you ... Was that even an idea?

Liz Phair 3:07 Not a clue.

Joe Rogan 3:08 That's crazy.

Liz Phair 3:08 I hated being in front of people, like I would not wanna ... I loved being in the studio, I loved recording, but I didn't ... I was super stage frightened and I couldn't think of anything I'd rather do less than get up in front of people (laughs) and play music or do anything.

Joe Rogan 3:25 Really?

Liz Phair 3:26 Yeah. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 3:27 Wow. But did you-

Liz Phair 3:28 It was hard. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:29 But you obviously have a love of music.

Liz Phair 3:31 I love playing music, I just, I get very self-conscious with a crowd.

Joe Rogan 3:35 We gotta pull this sucker up to you, otherwise we're not gonna ... There we go.

Liz Phair 3:37 I get very self-conscious in front of a crowd.

Joe Rogan 3:40 Still?

Liz Phair 3:41 Not so much anymore.

Joe Rogan 3:42 Yeah.

Liz Phair 3:42 I do, about two weeks before I hit the stage, I will stop sleeping and then-

Joe Rogan 3:48 Really? Two weeks?

Liz Phair 3:49 Yeah. And I'll work myself into this kind of cold sweat when I think about it.

Joe Rogan 3:53 (laughs)

Liz Phair 3:54 (laughs) You know, and like, I'll be like, "Can I leave the country?" And then-

Joe Rogan 3:59 (laughs)

Liz Phair 3:59 ... like I get on the stage and it all comes back to me and I'm like, "I've done this a million times. This is the best job in the world." And-

Joe Rogan 4:05 Wow.

Liz Phair 4:05 It just, it ... I can't psych myself into that feeling until I'm actually on stage.

Joe Rogan 4:11 Maybe that's just 'cause you care about it so much.

Liz Phair 4:13 Probably.

Joe Rogan 4:14 Yeah.

Liz Phair 4:14 I'm too alert. We should be smoking those joints that are not in that pack.

Joe Rogan 4:17 We can. I have some over here. No?

Liz Phair 4:19 I'm ... Can't even imagine where we'd go with that.

Joe Rogan 4:21 We, we do it all the time.

Liz Phair 4:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:23 If you wanna do it, let me know. If we're about 10 minutes in and you change your mind.

Liz Phair 4:26 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:26 Any time, let me know.

Liz Phair 4:27 If it gets really rough, if it gets really personal, maybe I'll ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:30 Yeah. Sometimes you have to, you know?

Liz Phair 4:32 I'm just, I'm a very awake person.

Joe Rogan 4:33 Hmm. Well, that's a good thing. That's, that's like, the more sensitive you are though, the more you have to consider all the possibilities and that, that that's what could keep you up.

Liz Phair 4:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:43 Dumb people sleep like a brick.

Liz Phair 4:44 Or, or send you down a UFO wormhole, right?

Joe Rogan 4:46 In the UFO ... We talked about that right before the podcast. Yeah, there's this guy that's coming on, his name is Dr. Robert Schoch and he's a geologist from, uh, Boston University, and he's worked on ... There's, uh, some real scientists that believe it's entirely possible that the Sphinx and a lot of the construction in Egypt is far older than they think it is.

Liz Phair 5:04 I know all about this.

Joe Rogan 5:05 Do you know all this?

Liz Phair 5:06 I know all about this.

Joe Rogan 5:07 Okay. Do you know about Robert Schoch?

Liz Phair 5:07 It's the rain runoff-

Joe Rogan 5:08 Yes. Yes.

Liz Phair 5:08 ... and how much erosion has occurred-

Joe Rogan 5:10 Yes.

Liz Phair 5:10 ... around the base or around the pit that the-

Joe Rogan 5:13 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 5:13 And it absolutely couldn't have been done, depending on like the way the Sphinx is built, where it's located, the siting.

Joe Rogan 5:20 Yeah.

Liz Phair 5:21 Where its level is, is m- far older, so.

Joe Rogan 5:24 Yes. They think it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 9000 plus BC because that's the l- ... When ... Back then, the Nile Valley was a rainforest, and somehow or another became a desert. And, um, this guy's, you know, legit Boston University professor, geologist, and he's traveling all over the place, but he's here for some UFO conference and the UFO people wanted to, him to mention the UFO conference. And I'm like, "Fucking Christ with UFO conferences."

Liz Phair 5:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:53 You guys don't have anything. If you had something, it'd be ... What are you gonna get together at a, a fucking Marriott-

Liz Phair 5:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:59 ... somewhere and show, show some blurry picture of some fucking hubcap-

Liz Phair 6:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:03 ... that someone chucked up into the air? Like there's nothing. Everything that, everything that they look at falls apart under scrutiny. There's like a few videos.

Liz Phair 6:10 Okay. Okay. I'm gonna push back on this.

Joe Rogan 6:12 Please do. Please do.

Liz Phair 6:12 Let's just say, what about ... Do you know the Discovery Disclosure?

Joe Rogan 6:16 Yes.

Liz Phair 6:16 Disclosure?

Joe Rogan 6:17 Disclosure Project. Yes.

Liz Phair 6:18 Okay. There was their first press conference when they got all the ... I'm, I'm, I tend to be impressed by the military-

Joe Rogan 6:24 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 6:25 ... you know, ranking members. I'm sort of like, "Ugh." If you were, if you were guarding missile silos and you say you saw something hover above it and deactivate-

Joe Rogan 6:33 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 6:34 ... you know, I'm probably gonna check that out a little harder. And there were just so many people that stood up, you know, in that press conference and said that they absolutely had seen evidence, met extraterrestrials, seen the crafts, like in hangers, et cetera.

Joe Rogan 6:51 Yep.

Liz Phair 6:52 And to me, like I, they didn't look like they had that much imagination. They're the kind of people that I didn't think could really... I mean, did you find that convincing at all?

Joe Rogan 7:02 No, here's why.

Liz Phair 7:03 No? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:03 No, 'cause the guy who did-

Liz Phair 7:04 They're just like a whole bunch of liars, a whole line of liars.

Joe Rogan 7:06 That's Steven Greer, right? The C- Disclosure Project is Steven Greer's thing.

Liz Phair 7:08 It's not so much about him.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Yeah.

Liz Phair 7:10 He doesn't appeal to me as much as the people that he brought on, who were mostly military guys, pilots.

Joe Rogan 7:14 Yeah. Here's the thing about military. Anybody who's in the military is a person. If you get 100 people together, one of them is out of their fucking mind.

Liz Phair 7:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:23 If you get a million people, you've got a shit ton of people that are out of their fucking mind that are running around that want extra attention. One of the best ways to say you're, you- r- one of the best ways to get extra attention is to say you've had some extraordinary experience that separates you from the pack.

Liz Phair 7:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:39 It's one of the main points of delusion that people that are really out of their fucking mind will, wa- wanna point to, "I see things in people. I can read auras. I can tell... I'm a psychic healer. I'm an intuitive person." They all have this thing that separates them from the herd without any work whatsoever. I feel like a lot of these people are that. They want attention, and so they tell these extraordinary stories. Now, when you said they're not creative, that's a very astute point, 'cause they all have the same fucking story, 'cause it's the same story that's been going on forever. They just repeat shit they've already heard. Most of these people I think are full of shit. I think it is entirely possible that UFOs have been here, entirely possible that c- people have seen UFOs, entirely possible. But a lot of those people, my fucking bullshit radar just goes off, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Liz Phair 8:26 Really?

Joe Rogan 8:27 Yeah. I, I've talked to too many of them. When I did that television show, Joe Rogan Questions Everything, and I met with UFO people and Bigfoot people, I was telling you before the podcast, it cured me. 'Cause I got to be around those people for hours and just talk to them with no cameras on. I'm like, "Oh, you're fucking crazy." Or, "You're delusional." Or, "Your way of looking at things is not objective." Or, "You're talking to me because you want to convince me of something. You're not just communicating the ideas that are actually in your head. You're pitching me some sort of a speech. You're like- you've got some sort of a performance you're doing for me."

Liz Phair 8:56 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 8:56 And I smell it. And as a performer, I smell it. I'm like, "This is nonsense. You're telling me nonsense." You know, they were telling... "Well, you, you want evidence? I'll back a truck up and show you the evidence." I'm like, "Where's your fucking evidence? You don't have any evidence."

Liz Phair 9:07 You should have brought it today.

Joe Rogan 9:08 Just... Yeah, exactly.

Liz Phair 9:08 I mean like, well, here's the thing. Did they seem as off-kilter in everything else they talked about?

Joe Rogan 9:13 Yes. Yes.

Liz Phair 9:13 Okay, so they did.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Everything.

Liz Phair 9:14 That would be convincing.

Joe Rogan 9:16 Relationships, jobs, they're all screwballs. They're almost all screwballs. The people that are most convincing are the people that see these orbs flying around.

Liz Phair 9:25 The pilots.

Joe Rogan 9:26 Yeah. Well, the reason why they see these things is there's a real phenomenon called ball lightning. It's absolutely real, and it's caused by various weather conditions, and they think that it can even be caused sometimes by the right weather conditions and the shifting of tectonic plates that somehow or another the friction-

Liz Phair 9:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Yes. And that these b- ball lightning, if you've ever seen videos of it, it's phenomenal. It just flies around. They've even had it inside airplanes. Somehow or another, ball lightning has shot down the aisle of an airplane while it was in flight.

Liz Phair 9:57 I've actually seen it.

Joe Rogan 9:58 Have you really?

Liz Phair 9:58 I've actually seen ball lightning-

Joe Rogan 10:00 Where have you seen it?

Liz Phair 10:00 ... on a flight that was struck by lightning.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Whoa.

Liz Phair 10:04 It was pink.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Whoa.

Liz Phair 10:05 And it sounded like a giant BB gun hit a tin can. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:11 Whoa. You were on a plane that was hit by lightning?

Liz Phair 10:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 10:16 Holy shit.

Liz Phair 10:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:17 That's intense.

Liz Phair 10:18 It was very intense. I was coming off a tour, and I wanted to get back to my very young son. I told him I'd be there in the morning when he woke up. So I ended like up going on this odyssey like planes, trains and automobiles-

Joe Rogan 10:30 Right.

Liz Phair 10:30 ... you know, trying to get to my son. (laughs) Like I was like, "I will be there in the morning." And it was terrible weather. It was just like the worst on the East Coast, and we kept taking... I think twice we took off and had to land before we could get to our destination and get in the plane and go off again. And me being a crazy mom, I'm like, "Fuck it. I'm gonna get there." Um, so I get in this plane and it's very bad. We're flying right through a thunderstorm, but I've, I've flown so many times. I've, I, my parents took me a million places. We traveled a lot when I was young, so I've just been flying forever. And (laughs) we were on this plane (laughs) and the lightning's going off and thunder and we're rattling around. And it's not a very big plane, and my seatmate, I think, I didn't know who he was, but he seemed like a decent, nice young man. And like the lightning just hit the plane. You get this big tang of the, you know, the shock of the electricity just hitting it. We drop about, I don't know what, I don't know what makes a big stomach drop, but we drop far. It's like 25 feet, I don't know, just like bam. And this pink ball of electricity just goes like whoosh down the aisle in the center of the aisle.

Joe Rogan 11:42 (laughs)

Liz Phair 11:42 He pukes. I grab him (laughs) like...

Joe Rogan 11:46 (laughs)

Liz Phair 11:46 And I did not let go of this stranger-

Joe Rogan 11:49 Wow.

Liz Phair 11:49 ... who just puked like until we were, you know, like, it just, it took about, you know, 10 minutes and then I was like, "Ha ha ha ha." Uh, but-

Joe Rogan 11:57 Wow.

Liz Phair 11:57 ... that was intense. And I made it.

Joe Rogan 12:00 Whoa.

Liz Phair 12:00 I was there in the morning when my son woke up, so.

Joe Rogan 12:02 Oh. Well, that's not... That's awesome. Yes.

Liz Phair 12:04 Yeah, but it was incredible. The pinkness of it is still really vivid to my mind. And the ball lightning, it was, it was a sphere-

Joe Rogan 12:11 Yeah.

Liz Phair 12:12 ... that just came whooshing down the aisle.

Joe Rogan 12:14 Wow. That's awesome.

Liz Phair 12:16 Yeah. It was cool.

Joe Rogan 12:16 Yeah, that's a real thing.

Liz Phair 12:17 I got lots of crazy plane almost-crash stories.

Joe Rogan 12:20 Yeah? What else?

Liz Phair 12:23 Uh, there was a time that the engine was on fire and I could see it. That sucked.

Joe Rogan 12:27 (gasps) You could see it on fire?

Liz Phair 12:29 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:31 Where were you? Please don't say over the ocean.

Liz Phair 12:33 Yeah.... but not far. We were just off outside of Boston. We took off nighttime, again, after a show, trying to get home to my kid. I mean, this is like the saddest mom story ever, like-

Joe Rogan 12:46 (laughs)

Liz Phair 12:46 ... (laughs) trying to get home to my kid. Um, and it was night, and I was looking at the lights, the sort of... I forget what they're called, those orange lights, you know, the... And it was over the bay, I could see the water. And we just weren't rising quickly enough, you know? It just... I was like, "Why, why aren't we gaining altitude? What's going on?" You know? It just doesn't seem right. And someone on my left, I was in the last row, and someone on my left said something like, "The engine's on fire," whatever, right as the captain comes on and says, "Ladies and gentlemen, we have a problem with one of the engines. We are gonna have to make an emergency landing. Please remain in your seat, da, da, da."

Joe Rogan 13:25 (beep)

Liz Phair 13:25 And I look over (laughs) and you can literally see flames shooting outta the... Like, it... 'Cause the, the engine was about 10 rows ahead of me, but the sparks were visible behind (laughs) , you know, because you're-

Joe Rogan 13:40 Holy shit, yeah.

Liz Phair 13:40 Do you understand like the physics?

Joe Rogan 13:41 Yeah. (laughs)

Liz Phair 13:42 So like it's a long trail of sparks-

Joe Rogan 13:44 Right.

Liz Phair 13:44 ... coming out of that thing. And so we get to the point where we're gonna make our, like, landing, and to see the flight attendants scared shitless was not a fun experience. I think that frightened me the most, like seeing their faces. And we had to get into the crouch position, you know that position?

Joe Rogan 14:04 Yeah, yeah.

Liz Phair 14:04 The brace yourself position. And the captain came on, I think the last thing he said, which was not reassuring, was, "Please brace for a very rough landing." And I'm, I'm thinking, "If you're crashing, it doesn't... You can't say anything more than that."

Joe Rogan 14:21 Right.

Liz Phair 14:22 "Ladies and gentlemen..." I mean, like, that's it. "Please prepare for a very rough landing." And what happened... I know I'm, like, monologuing-

Joe Rogan 14:29 No, no, no, no. Please go.

Liz Phair 14:29 But like what happened to my body at that moment was I went into f- this only happened twice in my life - full, uh, tremors, like full body... Do you know, have you ever had that? It's different than like nervous shaking or cold shaking. It's like full brr. And your body's just like completely vibrating, like at another frequency. And I realized for the first time in my life that I didn't care if I was dead, like, in two seconds and I felt nothing. It really upset me that my body, my soft, squishy body, was gonna be, like, pinned into metal.

Joe Rogan 15:04 Whoa.

Liz Phair 15:04 It bugged me. Like, I really thought, like, "We're never doing this again." Like, this... It just became very, very real that my, that I cared about this arm and I cared about this leg, and I didn't want, like, it to be completely mangled and, like, stuck in metal. And we hit the... We got the ground. It was a very rough landing, (laughs) and there were firetrucks going like 110 miles an hour on either side of us, spraying us with the deaccelerant or whatever that is.

Joe Rogan 15:32 Yeah.

Liz Phair 15:33 And (laughs) just suddenly, like, foam on the windows. And are you ready for this? So it was not a fun thing, but we survived and no one was harmed, and then we had to get back on another plane-

Joe Rogan 15:45 (sighs)

Liz Phair 15:45 ... because I had to go home to see my kid. So we literally sat there and waited and got right back on another plane-

Joe Rogan 15:50 Wow.

Liz Phair 15:51 ... and flew home.

Joe Rogan 15:52 Well, you were probably like, "What are the odds?"

Liz Phair 15:55 No, I just, I wanted to see my kid.

Joe Rogan 15:57 Right.

Liz Phair 15:58 But, like, that was an intense... I mean, that thing, you don't ever get to experience this unless you're, like, a combat person, like... Even if you're not conscious, I don't want this, like, all screwed up. I don't wanna be, like, mangled.

Joe Rogan 16:11 Yeah.

Liz Phair 16:11 No one does.

Joe Rogan 16:12 And the reality of it was, like, right there.

Liz Phair 16:14 Right there. And I, I don't feel it anymore. I'm just as stupid and reckless as I ever was.

Joe Rogan 16:20 (laughs)

Liz Phair 16:20 But, like, in that moment, it was very real to me, you know? Like- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:24 Yeah.

Liz Phair 16:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:24 Fuck. I haven't had anything like that. That's intense.

Liz Phair 16:29 That's-

Joe Rogan 16:29 I don't know what's more intense, getting h- hit by lightning or the fire. They're both pretty fucked up.

Liz Phair 16:33 What about the Cessna that lost power over the Bermuda Triangle? Is that good?

Joe Rogan 16:38 You know what that is? They think, they think it's nitrogen escaping from the sea floor. They think there's trapped nitrogen in massive amounts, you know, 'cause there's a lot of, like, dead, uh, things and decaying things, like vegetation, things like that, and they trap nitrogen pockets. And those nitrogen pockets, when they lift up, they can go through the surface of the water and up into the air. And if a plane is flying into that... It's methane. Is it methane?

Liz Phair 17:04 Methane.

Joe Rogan 17:04 Wait a minute. Am I saying it wrong?

Liz Phair 17:06 Yeah, 'cause nitrogen is everywhere.

Joe Rogan 17:07 It's mostly air. Yeah. It's like 84% of the air. But I think there's something about it being a giant pocket that you fly through. I might be wrong.

Liz Phair 17:14 You're talking about the gas bubbles-

Joe Rogan 17:16 Was I right?

Liz Phair 17:16 ... that escape-

Joe Rogan 17:17 Is it nitrogen?

Liz Phair 17:17 ... in the tectonic things?

Joe Rogan 17:18 It's methane? Yeah.

Liz Phair 17:19 And it can, like, make a ship go down-

Joe Rogan 17:21 Yes.

Liz Phair 17:21 ... 'cause suddenly there's no density.

Joe Rogan 17:22 Right. There's no buoyancy for the ships and also for planes. It makes... It could be... Yeah. Okay. This is it.

Liz Phair 17:26 This is awesome.

Joe Rogan 17:27 Gas explosions explain the Bermuda Triangle.

Liz Phair 17:29 We can Google?

Joe Rogan 17:29 Yeah, we can Google.

Liz Phair 17:30 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 17:32 This is how we roll with it.

Liz Phair 17:32 I'm never leaving.

Joe Rogan 17:33 (laughs) Come stay. You can come anytime you want.

Liz Phair 17:36 This is incredible.

Joe Rogan 17:37 We can come and just talk about UFOs every week.

Liz Phair 17:39 Oh my God, this is incredible.

Joe Rogan 17:41 Explosions of trapped methane gas are thought to account for the mysterious craters in Siberia, including this one. Yeah, and so they think that it has to do something with the Bermuda Triangle as well. So when biological tissue creates methane, and, um, when they have, like, massive amounts of die-off, whether it's fish or whether it's plants or things like that, they think that some of that stuff gets trapped in the bottom of the sea floor and then escapes, goes up to the surface, makes boats sink, and even can bring down planes.

Liz Phair 18:10 But how would it make a plane-

Joe Rogan 18:12 Because a, a-

Liz Phair 18:12 ... lose electricity?

Joe Rogan 18:13 ... plane fly... Oh, I don't know if it really lost electricity. Where'd you hear that, you hear, "A plane lost electricity," and that's what it's going off?

Liz Phair 18:20 No, it was in it.

Joe Rogan 18:20 Oh, read it-

Liz Phair 18:20 It was in it.

Joe Rogan 18:20 ... started again.

Liz Phair 18:22 Oh, that could've just been a shitty plane.

Joe Rogan 18:23 (laughs)

Liz Phair 18:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:24 He's (laughs) ... He was... That might... That sounds like-

Liz Phair 18:27 It's the Bermuda Triangle.

Joe Rogan 18:28 (laughs)

Liz Phair 18:28 I'm sure the pilot absolutely told us that. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 18:31 Yeah.

Liz Phair 18:31 Like, he's like, "Uh, it gets, the, the, the stuff gets a little fritzy up here over the Bermuda Triangle. We're buying it." It's just a shitty plane-

Joe Rogan 18:37 Probably just a shitty plane.

Liz Phair 18:37 ... he didn't like service.

Joe Rogan 18:39 Or, you know, maybe-

Liz Phair 18:39 Oh my God, Joe.

Joe Rogan 18:41 ... I'm naive.

Liz Phair 18:41 You just, like, killed my story. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:42 I might be naive.

Liz Phair 18:43 I've been believing-

Joe Rogan 18:44 It might be me.

Liz Phair 18:44 ... that, like, this whole time now. It's just a shitty plane.

Joe Rogan 18:47 It could be. Could be shi- Those, those planes are shitty.

Liz Phair 18:49 Methane.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Yeah, yeah, that's what they think. That's the most prevalent theory.

Liz Phair 18:53 I would think you'd die if that bubble hit you just from poison.

Joe Rogan 18:56 A lot of it, right? Yeah, maybe. I mean-

Liz Phair 18:58 Have you ever seen those underwater lakes of methane?

Joe Rogan 19:01 Yeah. It's creepy.

Liz Phair 19:03 That's beautiful, right?

Joe Rogan 19:03 Yeah.

Liz Phair 19:03 It's like water underwater.

Joe Rogan 19:05 Right. Yeah.

Liz Phair 19:05 I love that.

Joe Rogan 19:06 Yeah. No, it's ... The, the ocean is amazing. It's pretty bizarre that it's just right there, that it's essentially an alien world. Like I've always said, like the ocean is really like space. Like space is like above us all the time, but the ocean is kind of just like space, but it's right there. You can go in it. That's a whole nother world. It's like a whole nother world that's on our earth, but we're just so used to it. It's like, "Oh, yeah, let's go surfing."

Liz Phair 19:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:30 "Hey, let's get in the boat." You're like floating around some fucking alien world-

Liz Phair 19:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:33 ... that's right there.

Liz Phair 19:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:34 It's filled with life, all sorts of life that actually breathes water. Like what?

Liz Phair 19:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:39 Yeah. It's bizarre.

Liz Phair 19:40 That we came from.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Yeah. Well, I was talking about it with my fr- Oh, is that the lakes of methane underwater?

Narrator 19:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:46 That's nuts.

Narrator 19:47 I think so.

Joe Rogan 19:47 God-

Liz Phair 19:48 Isn't that cool?

Joe Rogan 19:48 ... damn. That is-

Liz Phair 19:49 Look at them.

Joe Rogan 19:49 ... crazy.

Liz Phair 19:50 They're like, "I'm gonna go by the lake. Imma just take a run around the shore."

Joe Rogan 19:54 That doesn't even look real.

Liz Phair 19:55 It's like they're going around Silver Lake. That s- that eel-

Joe Rogan 19:58 (laughs)

Liz Phair 19:58 ... is just like cruising around Silver Lake, but it's a methane lake.

Joe Rogan 20:02 What was that movie-

Liz Phair 20:03 Silver Lake is probably a methane lake too, but ...

Joe Rogan 20:05 It's in- in other words, yeah.

Liz Phair 20:07 (laughs) In other ways.

Joe Rogan 20:07 What was that movie where there was aliens underwater? The Abyss?

Liz Phair 20:12 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:13 Was that it?

Liz Phair 20:14 Yeah. She has to drown to survive, and he has to re- resuscitate her.

Joe Rogan 20:19 Yeah.

Liz Phair 20:19 Beautiful.

Joe Rogan 20:20 Right. And there were like aliens who would assume the shape of water. What is it called?

Narrator 20:24 Aliens in the Deep.

Joe Rogan 20:26 Hmm.

Narrator 20:26 I think it's probably The Abyss though.

Joe Rogan 20:27 I think it's The Abyss.

Liz Phair 20:28 It is The Abyss.

Narrator 20:28 Yeah.

Liz Phair 20:28 And they were sort of pink too. They were the same color as my ball lightning.

Joe Rogan 20:32 Dude.

Liz Phair 20:32 Remember that pink?

Joe Rogan 20:33 Dude.

Liz Phair 20:33 From the-

Joe Rogan 20:33 Yeah. The only guy that I ever talked to when I was talking to those UFO people that I believed about UFOs was a guy who was at Skinwalker Ranch, that whole area out there has a shitload of UFO sightings.

Liz Phair 20:45 What's Skinwalker Ranch?

Joe Rogan 20:46 It's some place that this guy Robert Bigelow owns, and he is a, uh ... What makes it compelling is he actually is an aerospace investor, and he's got a company that makes all these parts and shit for different spaceships and different pods and things to-

Liz Phair 21:05 Why?

Joe Rogan 21:06 Why does he do them?

Liz Phair 21:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:06 It's his business. But he also owns this gigantic ranch in Utah. We went out to visit him, visit the ranch, and visit some of the people around there that had ... And one guy that we talked to that lived around there was just a regular dude, I think he worked in a factory, just a regular guy, not crazy. He was super normal. Like talked to him, not a bullshit artist at all. And he's telling me about this glowing orb that came through the walls of his house and, and floated around inside of his living room and kitchen and then took off through the wall. And I said, "Ugh." Like the way he described it, I absolutely believed that he was telling me the truth, and I think that was ball lightning. I think they have it a lot in that area, and so I think whatever the atmospheric conditions in that area, it's, it's a frequent occurrence. And because of that, a lot of these people see things and then they start talking and then people start looking for them, and then they start talking crazy. And then people started talking about like, they were talking about a bulletproof wolf that appeared out of mist and, like for real, that was like-

Liz Phair 22:01 You've got that out front.

Joe Rogan 22:02 Oh, the werewolf? (laughs)

Liz Phair 22:03 That's your greeter.

Joe Rogan 22:04 Yeah.

Liz Phair 22:05 (laughs) That's the bulletproof wolf.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Yeah. This, this guy was the only guy that made sense, and I think he saw ball lightning, just like you did.

Liz Phair 22:12 But how could it be on the ground like that?

Joe Rogan 22:14 Mm, could just happen, you know, if there's storm conditions. But it does, it occurs not just up in the sky. It occurs at low altitudes as well. You know, they say ball, they don't know why b- Apparently, and I talked to a scientist about this, he was telling me that lightning shouldn't be possible. Like these, there shouldn't be enough power to create lightning. 'Cause like if you do the calculations. He's like, "But clearly we know it's true. So what do we do about that? We don't really know. We don't know enough about lightning." So when you describe ball lightning, he's like, "Well, good fucking luck. Who knows?" Who, what are the atmosphere conditions?

Liz Phair 22:46 It could be anything. We don't know enough about it.

Joe Rogan 22:47 Yeah, we don't know what the conditions are, like what causes it.

Liz Phair 22:50 What does it mean there's not enough energy for lightning? They can't, you can't marshal that much electricity in the atmosphere?

Joe Rogan 22:55 I'm too stupid to repeat what he said and have it make any sense. But when he was describing it to me, the way he was explaining it, and I think I read it as well, he was ex- he was explaining and what I read was that they don't really understand how that much energy is produced in the sky like that. And that if you calculated like what it would take to produce a cha-cha-cha-boom, that that shouldn't be possible. Again, I'm a moron. So talk about that guy.

Liz Phair 23:24 No, I, I wish that every expert were here.

Joe Rogan 23:26 I wish he was here too.

Liz Phair 23:26 Because like that's fascinating.

Joe Rogan 23:27 Yeah. So he, what this guy was describing, was talking about ball lightning, what he was saying, they don't know how to recreate ball lightning. They, they have no idea what causes it, but they're sure it's a real thing.

Liz Phair 23:36 Wait, we can't re- recreate ball lightning in a-

Joe Rogan 23:39 No.

Liz Phair 23:39 ... lab environment?

Joe Rogan 23:40 I don't believe so. I don't believe so.

Liz Phair 23:42 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Yeah. But I don't think they could recreate lightning.

Liz Phair 23:45 You know, you're right, 'cause we can't generate that amount of power.

Joe Rogan 23:48 Yeah.

Liz Phair 23:48 We literally can't genre- I mean, maybe with a bomb, but we can't generate that. Can we?

Joe Rogan 23:53 I don't know. I have no idea.

Liz Phair 23:55 I think we can't.

Joe Rogan 23:56 But I think that's what a lot of people are seeing. I think these people that see things, and then also the human imagination is so fantastic, your memory is all fucked up, memory is terrible, you know. So you see something and then you decide it's something different.

Liz Phair 24:07 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:07 And then you see it. I talked to another lady who told me she saw Bigfoot.

Liz Phair 24:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:11 And she wasn't a bull- she didn't seem like a bullshit artist. She seemed like she was being 100% honest. She didn't seem like she needed a ton of attention. She didn't seem crazy. And I think she saw a bear. I just think she saw a bear-

Liz Phair 24:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:22 ... way in the distance and she saw it very briefly because it was the Pacific Northwest and trees are very dense. She saw a big an- it might have even been on two legs because bears do do that all the time.

Liz Phair 24:31 They do do that.

Joe Rogan 24:32 And I think she saw that, and in her mind she saw a gorilla. It was, uh, "Why am I looking at a gorilla?" And then she had this story that just got concocted in her head and she saw a Sasquatch.

Liz Phair 24:41 That happens. I mean, I, I, I'm convinced of certain things and then I find out I'm completely wrong.

Joe Rogan 24:46 Like ghosts?

Liz Phair 24:46 You know, it does happen.

Joe Rogan 24:47 You believe in ghosts?

Liz Phair 24:48 I told you-

Joe Rogan 24:49 Is this fair?

Liz Phair 24:49 ... to, you better back off the ghosts.

Joe Rogan 24:50 You believe in ghosts?

Liz Phair 24:51 Um, I used to believe a great deal. I still pretty much believe, pretty much. I think basically this is my entire philosophy on all weirdnesses.

Joe Rogan 25:01 Okay.

Liz Phair 25:02 ... if you look back 500 years to what they knew scientifically then, it's superstitious, it's magic, it's ridiculous, it's ignorant, et cetera, et cetera. I believe that that's exactly what we are now, to 500 years in the future. So I don't consider it paranormal, I consider it future science.

Joe Rogan 25:20 Ghosts are future science?

Liz Phair 25:21 Ghosts are future science.

Joe Rogan 25:23 Have you-

Liz Phair 25:23 Aliens are future science. It's all future science and I'm down for that.

Joe Rogan 25:27 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 25:27 I'm ready to party with the future science.

Joe Rogan 25:30 I'm, I'm ready for that. I accept that. Um, my problem is the people that tell ghost stories or those fucking ghost shows.

Liz Phair 25:36 (laughs) Those are so bad. They're so faked.

Joe Rogan 25:39 They make me angry.

Liz Phair 25:40 They're so painfully faked.

Joe Rogan 25:41 (laughs)

Liz Phair 25:41 I really believed it for a while, like I really absolutely bought into it, hook, line, and sinker.

Joe Rogan 25:46 Oh, yeah.

Liz Phair 25:46 I was like there, watching the little ... There, those, there's all different kinds of ghosts, like the ones that look like, um, Ewoks, or not Ewoks. Which are the ones that are the jet? The first movie, Star Wars, and they like wore their little robes and they were busy. They were like ...

Joe Rogan 26:01 Oh.

Liz Phair 26:02 You know, the first ones-

Joe Rogan 26:03 Right.

Liz Phair 26:03 ... that Luke ... They're like, "Ah."

Joe Rogan 26:04 What were those things?

Liz Phair 26:04 "We're selling ro- robots."

Joe Rogan 26:05 Yeah.

Liz Phair 26:06 I don't know. They didn't really have faces. They just had like cloaks.

Joe Rogan 26:09 They were the s- the robot sellers. Yeah, yeah.

Liz Phair 26:10 Well, apparently there are ghosts that are little cloak creatures.

Joe Rogan 26:14 Oh.

Liz Phair 26:15 And they scare the crap out of me.

Joe Rogan 26:17 The cloak ones do?

Liz Phair 26:18 They move fast and I don't understand-

Joe Rogan 26:20 (laughs)

Liz Phair 26:20 ... what they're doing here. (laughs) Like, but I mean, you can explain-

Joe Rogan 26:23 Wait, do you believe in them?

Liz Phair 26:23 ... demons, you can explain demons if you think about like dog ghosts or wolf ghosts or-

Joe Rogan 26:28 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 26:29 ... lion ghosts.

Joe Rogan 26:30 That's a demon?

Liz Phair 26:31 Could be. They growl, they have like weird eyes. They're hostile. They scratch you.

Joe Rogan 26:37 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 26:37 Animal.

Joe Rogan 26:38 So you, you have a real belief in ghosts, but-

Liz Phair 26:43 Kind of.

Joe Rogan 26:43 ... real. Kind of.

Liz Phair 26:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:43 Like not 100%, but, but you're, you have an open mind.

Liz Phair 26:47 I bump into them sometimes, I think.

Joe Rogan 26:48 For real?

Liz Phair 26:49 And I don't see them, but I feel them and hear them and the like ... I know, go ahead with the little-

Joe Rogan 26:54 (laughs)

Liz Phair 26:54 The little smile. That little smile. That's why I don't, uh, we're talking about it 'cause we're on the weirdness podcast, but like-

Joe Rogan 27:02 (laughs)

Liz Phair 27:02 ... I don't talk about it 'cause it just doesn't get a good re- response. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:05 Well, I'm trying to be open-minded. So when you bu- ... I believe you. You don't seem like a liar by any stretch of the imagination. But-

Liz Phair 27:11 But I have a huge imagination.

Joe Rogan 27:12 I'm sure you do.

Liz Phair 27:13 So I could very easily be-

Joe Rogan 27:13 You're, you're a very creative person.

Liz Phair 27:15 ... tricking myself into something.

Joe Rogan 27:17 What do you feel? Like what happens?

Liz Phair 27:19 Um, I just bump into them, like they just ... If you walk into a room ... I mean, it happens (sighs) maybe once a year.

Joe Rogan 27:27 Yeah?

Liz Phair 27:28 And you walk into a room or you walk somewhere, or something's going on and you just feel it and it's very, very strong and you ... I just, I talk to them. I just say like, it ... Mostly hotel rooms, let's just say. If I'm in a hotel room on tour. And I, I'll either move if I don't like it or I'll just say, alone in that room, I'll be like, "Hi."

Joe Rogan 27:47 (laughs)

Liz Phair 27:47 "I'm playing a show (laughs) at like so-and-so."

Joe Rogan 27:50 (laughs)

Liz Phair 27:50 "I'm only here for two days but I really need to get some sleep. Um, you can come to the sh- ... " I tell them they can come to the show if they want.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Oh, that's hilarious.

Liz Phair 27:57 I'm like, "This is what I do for a living," and I try to like hear and think what they do for a living.

Joe Rogan 28:02 I would be psyched if I was a ghost and I found you. I'm like, "This chick's cool."

Liz Phair 28:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:05 "She can invite us to her show." How do you want to scare? Let her sleep, man. Let her sleep.

Liz Phair 28:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:10 Fuck that, I got the pots and pans ready.

Liz Phair 28:12 (laughs) Right?

Joe Rogan 28:12 I'm ready to make a racket. Let's wake this chick up. No, man, let her sleep.

Liz Phair 28:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:17 She's cool. Let's go to her show. You want to go to her show?

Liz Phair 28:18 I put them on my guest list. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:19 That's nice.

Liz Phair 28:19 It's like, "You've got a plus one."

Joe Rogan 28:21 That's nice. You don't have to reserve a seat for them.

Liz Phair 28:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:23 They can be everywhere. W- d- ... Obviously-

Liz Phair 28:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:27 ... you have an active imagination and do you think that maybe you're mind-fucking yourself at the time? Like when you're saying, when you're talking out loud, are you doing it because it's comforting? 'Cause you enjoy it?

Liz Phair 28:38 Probably, but, but if you asked me on a lie detector test whether I think I really encountered something, I'd say yes.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Whoa. Dun, dun, dun.

Liz Phair 28:46 For sure. I mean, there's been enough experiences in my life that it just seems like just part of future science.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Mm-hmm. There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake. He's a scientist and he believes that things have memory. He thinks that everything has memory. He thinks that's why people don't want to live in haunted houses, you know, and want, don't want to live in a house where someone died. He thinks that objects have memory and that-

Liz Phair 29:08 I agree with that.

Joe Rogan 29:09 ... they can't express it, but that they have it.

Liz Phair 29:11 I agree with that.

Joe Rogan 29:12 It might be. Well, like we haven't-

Liz Phair 29:14 I think it's less the object, retaining it. I mean, uh, it must be retaining something. I think it's more our psychic ability to perceive-

Joe Rogan 29:23 The energy.

Liz Phair 29:23 ... the past.

Joe Rogan 29:24 Yeah.

Liz Phair 29:25 That's what I think. I think it's more like you see the chair and then you can psychically feel what happened in that chair. I'm not really sure how to ... Like you're not seeing the chair imbued with some aura, you're actually looking into the past.

Joe Rogan 29:42 Yeah.

Liz Phair 29:43 That's what I think. 'Cause I've had dreams that were like prefiguring ...

Joe Rogan 29:48 Prefiguring?

Liz Phair 29:49 And I, I think you can dream ... If something's impactful enough, I think you can dream ... Okay, let's say something really bad happens to you. Imagine something horrible.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Okay.

Liz Phair 29:58 I don't know, the studio explodes.

Joe Rogan 29:59 Okay.

Liz Phair 30:01 A couple months maybe before then, you might have a dream ... Or let's just say something goes really, really wrong or bad. Nothing traumatic. You might be able to have a dream ahead of time that would be how you would synthesize that traumatic experience just as if it had happened before and you were dreaming after the fact.

Joe Rogan 30:24 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 30:25 Before.

Joe Rogan 30:26 You've had that happen?

Liz Phair 30:27 I have.

Joe Rogan 30:28 What'd you have it happen with?

Liz Phair 30:30 Um, I'm saving that for my book.

Joe Rogan 30:36 Really?

Liz Phair 30:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:37 Wow.

Liz Phair 30:37 Is it okay?

Joe Rogan 30:38 Yeah. It's okay.

Liz Phair 30:39 But it was a very powerful-

Joe Rogan 30:40 You can tell me after the show's over?

Liz Phair 30:41 ... very ... Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 30:41 I won't tell any of you. Fuck off.

Liz Phair 30:43 Absolutely. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 30:45 Okay, good.

Liz Phair 30:46 But it was very convincing to me and-

Joe Rogan 30:47 Really?

Liz Phair 30:48 ... hard to explain any other way.

Joe Rogan 30:50 Have you ever had any other sort of psychic premonition?

Liz Phair 30:53 Yes.

Joe Rogan 30:54 Really?

Liz Phair 30:54 Yes.

Joe Rogan 30:55 What?

Liz Phair 30:55 Do you remember the last big fire we had in LA when it was like encroaching on-

Joe Rogan 30:58 Really recently.

Liz Phair 30:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:59 That one?

Liz Phair 31:00 Um, the night before that fire, I was out walking with my son. Again, my son, he's like all over this podcast. I don't know why 'cause he barely speaks to me at the moment. He's like, "Yeah, yeah. Fine, good. Talk to you later." Um-... and I just felt incredibly uneasy. And he suffered from asthma when he was young and really badly, so when it would be, when there was a lot of particulate matter in the air, or if it was just bad air conditions, I would tend to be very worried about him and keep him home or, you know, inform the teachers, or whatever it was. Just he'd get really bad asthma attacks. And so I have a predisposition to be on the alert. But this was the night before, no fire had started yet, and I just was very anxious, very anxious, and I couldn't settle down. And I couldn't think, for months I hadn't been like that. I mean, and I said to him, I'm like, "I don't know what it is, but I feel kind of unsafe. If something happens tomorrow, you have to, like, you have to be my witness that I sensed something was coming." Now, you probably think I'm this horrible mother. I never do this. It happens like, I think I, I think I've, like, said that to him twice in our entire life. And I forgot about it. The next day, I forgot about it. I didn't think about it at all until, you know, we were socked in, in this sort of brown muck, as we are, and like, the sun became the Eye of Sauron, and every-

Joe Rogan 32:29 (laughs)

Liz Phair 32:29 ... you know, everyone's like freaking out and we're looking at all these images and I was so distracted by all these images that I completely forgot my sense the night before. And what I think that was, until I remembered it, then I called up and I'm like, "Ah!" And I think it's more like I don't know something's coming, but I have maybe time, maybe the envelope of time is a little bit more mushy than we think.

Joe Rogan 32:54 Hmm.

Liz Phair 32:54 Maybe we perceive time as very orderly and very linear, but maybe it's really not, and it could be pushing back, like the experience, and maybe I had-

Joe Rogan 33:04 Hmm.

Liz Phair 33:04 ... the experience before I perceived the experience, or I don't know what that is, but that happens to me a lot.

Joe Rogan 33:11 I've heard people describe-

Liz Phair 33:12 Nobody likes hearing about it, by the way.

Joe Rogan 33:14 Why not?

Liz Phair 33:14 I never talk about this stuff in my real life because nobody likes it.

Joe Rogan 33:17 What do you mean?

Liz Phair 33:19 It makes people uncomfortable and they look at you funny, so I just never talk about it, except for on the podcast Weirdness.

Joe Rogan 33:25 (laughs)

Liz Phair 33:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:26 What, why would it make them uncomfortable?

Liz Phair 33:28 It just does.

Joe Rogan 33:29 I'm fascinated by that because I don't experience it. I, I've ne- I've never had a premonition that came true. But I do have a, a really good ability to know if someone's crazy. I'm really good at that.

Liz Phair 33:40 Apparently I'm not.

Joe Rogan 33:41 No, you're not crazy.

Liz Phair 33:42 No, I mean I don't know if someone's crazy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:45 You don't? You've known a lot of crazy people?

Liz Phair 33:45 I have a really big blind spot there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:48 (laughs)

Liz Phair 33:48 You know? Like...

Joe Rogan 33:49 That's weird, you can pick out fires in the distance.

Liz Phair 33:52 (laughs) Right?

Joe Rogan 33:52 But you can't pick out nuts?

Liz Phair 33:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:54 Yeah.

Liz Phair 33:54 Nuts uh, nuts a lot.

Joe Rogan 33:55 I don't have any psychic ability though. I've just, I think I'm just-

Liz Phair 33:58 How do you know though?

Joe Rogan 33:59 Hmm. I don't.

Liz Phair 34:02 If you can tell if someone's crazy or not, you might have some. I mean, you might have some perception that's more-

Joe Rogan 34:07 I think it's pattern recognition and data chunking. I've see-, I've met so many people that when I see things that are off, little things that are off, and you probe, like your talking little things are off more and you're like, you see, you're looking into the eyes, you see calculations, you're like, "Okay, something's going on here. This is not a-"

Liz Phair 34:26 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:26 "... he's not a normal person. This is a person putting on a normal mask. Like, there's something off here. It just smells, smells fishy."

Liz Phair 34:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:33 You know? I, I just think it's that. I just think that-

Liz Phair 34:34 Do you ever have them as guests? I mean, are they ever-

Joe Rogan 34:36 Oh, yeah.

Liz Phair 34:36 ... sitting across from you?

Joe Rogan 34:37 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Liz Phair 34:38 Being batshit crazy? What do you do with them?

Joe Rogan 34:40 I've had people on where I was sure they were pilled up, for sure. I'm like talking to them, I'm like, "This motherfucker's Adderall'd to the gills." Like they just have-

Liz Phair 34:46 What do they look like when they're Adderall'd?

Joe Rogan 34:48 They just have a way of talking.

Liz Phair 34:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:49 There's just something about the way they talk. They're not really k- l- li-

Narrator 34:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:51 ... Liz Phair's not, it's a, that's not what it's about. It's not about me. It's about the future, it's about children, it's about the society.

Liz Phair 34:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:56 What I'm trying to do is be an entrepreneur. I wanna build businesses, I wanna..." They just start, they just-

Liz Phair 35:00 Infowars.

Joe Rogan 35:00 No, no. Alex Jones, we got him high and drunk and he was talking about interdimensional-

Liz Phair 35:05 Here on the show?

Joe Rogan 35:06 Yes, yes.

Liz Phair 35:06 Live on the show? Is that what goes down here?

Joe Rogan 35:08 Yeah.

Liz Phair 35:08 Am I like ... Oh, look at this, I am in a den of iniquity. Look at this.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Yeah.

Liz Phair 35:11 We've got some like, that's some something.

Joe Rogan 35:14 That's weed.

Liz Phair 35:14 What is that?

Joe Rogan 35:15 Do you want some? We could fire this up. It's good.

Liz Phair 35:16 No! God. I don't know what'll come out of my mouth.

Narrator 35:18 Don't be scared.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Good stuff. Don't be scared.

Narrator 35:20 Be careful.

Liz Phair 35:21 Oh. But those are like Snoop Dogg type things. Right? Those are like, what do you call them?

Joe Rogan 35:25 They're s- they're joints.

Liz Phair 35:26 They're backwoods. Hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:29 No, they just have uh, brown paper. You don't have to have any.

Liz Phair 35:32 Oh my god, we're literally getting high right here?

Narrator 35:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:34 Yeah. Jamie does.

Narrator 35:35 I do. We do it all the time.

Liz Phair 35:36 Seriously?

Joe Rogan 35:37 Yeah, this is a podcast. You could do anything. It's legal.

Liz Phair 35:40 I'll take a tiny hit.

Joe Rogan 35:41 Take a tiny hit. There we go.

Liz Phair 35:42 This is crazy.

Joe Rogan 35:42 That's what I'm talking about. It's definitely not crazy. It's marijuana, it's legal, it's good for you. It's a staple of civilization.

Liz Phair 35:49 Yes, but what will happen?

Joe Rogan 35:51 Nothing.

Liz Phair 35:51 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 35:51 You'll say cool shit.

Liz Phair 35:52 Is that enough cigarette stuff in it?

Joe Rogan 35:54 No.

Liz Phair 35:56 That's a cigar leaf though.

Joe Rogan 35:57 No, no it's not, just brown paper. No? Good?

Liz Phair 36:02 I'm gonna try this.

Joe Rogan 36:03 Okay.

Liz Phair 36:03 I'll settle.

Joe Rogan 36:03 Settle. You good?

Liz Phair 36:04 I'll settle and see what goes down.

Joe Rogan 36:05 Jamie's going deep.

Narrator 36:06 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 36:08 Yeah. We smoke pot. It's okay.

Liz Phair 36:11 I smoke pot sometimes.

Joe Rogan 36:12 I'm sure you do. You just did.

Liz Phair 36:13 I just did?

Joe Rogan 36:14 There's proof, there's evidence. So don't be worried.

Liz Phair 36:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:16 I mean, if we had a casual drink, you know, if we had, s- had a glass of whiskey or something, no one would care. But marijuana, you're like, "Oh my god."

Liz Phair 36:24 It is weird.

Joe Rogan 36:25 "What are you doing?"

Liz Phair 36:25 It's like now it's okay, like now it's fine.

Joe Rogan 36:27 Finally, finally it's okay.

Liz Phair 36:29 This is crazy.

Joe Rogan 36:29 Finally.

Liz Phair 36:29 I agree. 30 years of watching people drink really sucked.

Joe Rogan 36:33 Yeah.

Liz Phair 36:34 I was never much into alcohol.

Joe Rogan 36:35 No?

Liz Phair 36:36 I prefer marijuana, yes.

Joe Rogan 36:38 E- well, you're a sensitive person, it makes you more sensitive.

Liz Phair 36:41 Marijuana does?

Joe Rogan 36:42 Sure. Yeah.

Liz Phair 36:43 Really?

Joe Rogan 36:43 I think so, for sure. It makes you more aware, more, um, considerate, thinking about more possibilities. I mean, that's what people call paranoia. Really it's like a lot of times people live with blinders on and marijuana just comes along and goes, "Hey, let's just, uh, take those over." And uh, puts a spotlight and like, "Look at the back of your brain. Whoa, look at this shit you're hiding."

Liz Phair 37:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:04 (laughs)

Liz Phair 37:04 That's exactly right. It is, it's like shining a flashlight into your unconscious.

Joe Rogan 37:08 Yeah.

Liz Phair 37:08 Like doo-doo-doo, what's back there?

Joe Rogan 37:09 Yeah. Oh, look, you've been, you've been hiding this. Bring it out.

Liz Phair 37:12 (laughs) That's so cool.

Joe Rogan 37:13 Let's get a look at it. Let's talk to it. No...

Liz Phair 37:15 That is what the paranoia is. I agree with that.

Joe Rogan 37:17 Yeah.

Liz Phair 37:17 It's like people suddenly are o- like, uh, self-conscious.

Joe Rogan 37:20 Yes.

Liz Phair 37:20 They see themselves in a new way and they're like-

Joe Rogan 37:22 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 37:23 ... "I can't handle this."

Joe Rogan 37:24 Yeah.

Liz Phair 37:24 Because that's like 40 years of-

Joe Rogan 37:27 ... denial.

Liz Phair 37:27 Denial.

Joe Rogan 37:28 Yeah, and, and all these different mechanisms that you've kind of like ... psychological mechanisms that you've utilized, tried to hide these thoughts from yourself, or tried to skip past them really quickly. "Oh, I've got that under control." And just get past it and move on to some new thing.

Liz Phair 37:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:44 It's a, it's a common thing. People love to do it.

Liz Phair 37:47 Ah, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 37:48 So-

Liz Phair 37:48 I do, I feel, I feel, like, mellow.

Joe Rogan 37:50 Yeah, it's good.

Liz Phair 37:51 I like that.

Joe Rogan 37:51 It's good stuff.

Liz Phair 37:52 That knocked my energy down just a nice, nice amount.

Joe Rogan 37:55 To kind of own a place.

Liz Phair 37:56 That's kind of what I need, like about 10% energy knockdown.

Joe Rogan 37:59 Right.

Liz Phair 37:59 Maybe 15%.

Joe Rogan 38:00 Yeah, like a half a hit, that's what you need, like just a little (sighs) . Just where you're like, "Okay."

Liz Phair 38:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Fine.

Liz Phair 38:08 Pause, beat.

Joe Rogan 38:09 Pause, everything's fine.

Liz Phair 38:10 Beat.

Joe Rogan 38:11 Fine.

Liz Phair 38:12 I like that salt lamp. That's the biggest one I've ever seen.

Joe Rogan 38:15 It's the biggest one I could find.

Liz Phair 38:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:17 But it's, um, it's too big. They don't look as cool as the small ones 'cause the small ones, there's not as much salt, so the light comes through more.

Liz Phair 38:26 Ah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:26 It's one of those things. It looks cool on paper and then you get it and you're like, "Oh, I don't think it's cool."

Liz Phair 38:30 Oh, you got the awesome skull there of the longhorn.

Joe Rogan 38:34 That is actually an Asian water buffalo ...

Liz Phair 38:37 Is it?

Joe Rogan 38:37 ... my friend, Adam Greentree, shot in Australia.

Liz Phair 38:40 That's really cool.

Joe Rogan 38:42 Yeah, he brought it from Australia for me when he was a guest on the podcast.

Liz Phair 38:44 How did he fly that?

Joe Rogan 38:46 He just put it in the carry-on. No. (laughs)

Liz Phair 38:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:50 Can you imagine?

Liz Phair 38:51 Wait and it wasn't even boiled down yet?

Joe Rogan 38:53 Yeah, it was boiled down.

Liz Phair 38:53 It was just the head. You know what I mean? Like ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:56 Just like that. Just like that blood and flies.

Liz Phair 38:57 Yeah, exactly, like ...

Joe Rogan 38:58 "Putting it over head, mate." No, he, he checked it.

Liz Phair 39:01 It'll fit, it'll fit.

Joe Rogan 39:02 I don't know if he wrapped it up. He must have 'cause he wouldn't want the bones to crack or break, get knocked around.

Liz Phair 39:07 That's beautiful.

Joe Rogan 39:07 But he's wrapped it up. Yeah, it's pretty dope. Yeah, he's a wild man, bohunter, and he goes up to the northern area of Australia. Australia, all the animals, essentially the large mammals, are all invasive species. So they have to hunt them because they don't have predators.

Liz Phair 39:22 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 39:22 So he goes up there and shoots water buffalo with a bow and arrow.

Liz Phair 39:25 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 39:26 Brought one back for me.

Liz Phair 39:26 That's extremely ... I, I respect that as opposed to other types of hunting.

Joe Rogan 39:32 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 39:32 I really respect the idea of, like, mano y mano-

Joe Rogan 39:36 Right.

Liz Phair 39:36 ... going out there and being like-

Joe Rogan 39:38 What don't you respect? Like-

Liz Phair 39:40 Just don't go kill-

Joe Rogan 39:42 ... trophy hunting?

Liz Phair 39:42 ... the big ... Yeah, trophy hunting can-

Joe Rogan 39:44 Yeah.

Liz Phair 39:44 ... fuck off entirely.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Yeah. It's a weird thing. It's weird that it's, it's almost like people hunted entirely for food. And then they got enough food and they go, "I want to shoot that thing too." You know, it's like they got into shooting things. And it became a thing of not just shooting stuff for food, but shooting stuff even if you can't justify it. Like, there's some animals, like, um, there's certain hunts that they put on where they, they kind of have to control populations of these things, like grizzly bears and stuff like that when they start encroaching.

Liz Phair 40:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:14 Even wolves. There's certain populations of wolves they have to control in the, in the Northwest. But when you get to, like, elephants and tigers and lions and, like, what are you doing? Why are you shooting that?

Liz Phair 40:25 What are they doing?

Joe Rogan 40:26 What are you doing?

Liz Phair 40:26 You're a man. Explain that to me.

Joe Rogan 40:28 Oh.

Liz Phair 40:28 What is, what is ... What ... Why does that make you feel important since you had a gun?

Joe Rogan 40:34 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 40:34 I mean, a gun, you stand back.

Joe Rogan 40:36 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 40:36 You, you sit in the bushes for, I don't know, eight, 12 hours, and then you pull a trigger.

Joe Rogan 40:41 So this doesn't even necessarily make them feel important. It's just because they can do it and it's, it's exciting. Like, have you ever shot a rifle?

Liz Phair 40:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:49 Yeah. Well, you go to a rifle range. It's exciting. It's fun to just shoot paper. Put paper targets out there and shoot them. It's fun.

Liz Phair 40:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:55 It feels good. There's something about, like, aiming, boom, and hitting where you want it to go. It's exciting.

Liz Phair 41:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:01 And so once ... Then there was a real problem, is in Africa, it becomes incredibly profitable for the people that live there. And then those animals are thriving because they protect them and have hunters come in to pay shitloads of money to hunt them. So their numbers are really healthy, which is really crazy. 'Cause, like, for the longest time, most of the animals in Africa that are hunted now in, in plentiful numbers were on the verge of extinction. And then they started-

Liz Phair 41:28 Well, I think a lot of them still are. I mean, maybe not extinction.

Joe Rogan 41:31 Some of them.

Liz Phair 41:31 But I don't think that they have an abundance of the big five over there anymore.

Joe Rogan 41:34 It depends on ... Yeah, well, it depends on where you are. But Africa, obviously, is fucking huge. Ever see what it looks like when you took America inside of Africa?

Liz Phair 41:42 Yeah. It, like, sits over in the Sahara.

Joe Rogan 41:44 You just ... (laughs)

Liz Phair 41:44 It's like it just sits in the Sahara. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:46 This tiny little bitch ass country we have. But in Africa, there's many animals that were, 20 years ago, on the verge of extinction that are thriving, and it's because of hunting. And some of it makes sense-

Liz Phair 41:58 But they're thriving in a tiny little zone. I mean, they're not thriving worldwide.

Joe Rogan 42:02 They're just the overall numbers. They're overall numbers. You ... There's the other problem that I have with people calling the, the ... a lot of the people that hunt over there, poachers. They call it, like, poachers, the poachers poaching. It's just people who are poor. That's all it is. It's just, like, incredibly poor people that are trapping these animals. And some of them, like, if they're shooting rhinos and stuff like that, they're n- they're not doing it because they're evil. They're doing it because they're fucking desperate. I mean, they ... I don't-

Liz Phair 42:23 And those are ... That is their game.

Joe Rogan 42:25 Yeah.

Liz Phair 42:25 I mean, it, it belongs to them. It's their country. It's their game.

Joe Rogan 42:29 If you believe people aren't animals, yeah.

Liz Phair 42:30 But, but I think as, as everything, it's like depending on your perspective how much of ... Just like we were talking about when you get high.

Joe Rogan 42:38 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 42:38 And suddenly your territory expands of what your awareness is, same difference. Like, this is their country. This is their ... These are their native population of animals.

Joe Rogan 42:48 Right.

Liz Phair 42:48 So it's theirs.

Joe Rogan 42:48 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 42:49 But, like, taking in a broader scope, that should be utterly protected and expanding territory rather than, like, a little theme park for rich Westerners to come in and shoot shit.

Joe Rogan 43:03 Yeah, it's weird. Have you ever seen the l- Do you know who Louis Theroux is?

Liz Phair 43:06 Don't really know him.

Joe Rogan 43:07 He's a documentarian from the UK. He's got a great special that he did where he went over to one of those wild game parks and stayed with these weirdos, uh, and these rich American people that go over there to shoot shit. And he was over there for, like, weeks and finally just drove the guy crazy until the guy was just-... like, breaking it down to him what's really going on. He was basically just saying, in this crazy accent, "Africa is fucked. This is what you have to understand. Africa is fucked."

Liz Phair 43:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:34 This African guy is explaining to him, like, "This is the only way these things are gonna survive. If you think that you're gonna remove these fences and remove the profit-"

Liz Phair 43:42 No, they're right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:43 "... these people are gonna come in and slaughter these things, and they're not gonna think at all about the future. They're not gonna think at all about preserving the populations or them going extinct. They don't think about it at all. They're just gonna wipe 'em out, just like they're doing with rhino horn." They know rhinos are worth thousands and thousands of dollars a horn, so they just shoot those fucking things. They don't care. They don't l- their, their children are starving. If they find out that they could sell this rhino horn and get X amount, $100 or whatever they give 'em for it, they'll just shoot it. Like, that's ... Their, their concern is not for rhinos. Their concern is for their family, or w- they're, they're in extreme poverty.

Liz Phair 44:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:14 I mean, the, the poverty that they have over there is spooky. You know? And en masse, mass qua... I have a buddy of mine who makes wells for the pygmies in the Congos, in the Congo, and he goes over there all the time. And, uh, he's actually a fighter. He's a, he fights for Bellator. He's one of their top heavyweights, and he spends, like, three to six months a year in the Congo. Guy caught malaria three times.

Liz Phair 44:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:34 He's an animal.

Liz Phair 44:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:35 His name is Justin Wren. He's a, he's a beast.

Liz Phair 44:37 (laughs) Wow.

Joe Rogan 44:37 Such a, such a sweet, amazing person. But he goes over there and he says, "You, you can't believe the kind of poverty." He sleeps in a grass hat, uh, grass house when he's there, just like they do, l- with these, you know ... They sleep on the fl- they have, you know, no floors. This is him over there. That's him with the people. I mean, he's a just a-

Liz Phair 44:56 Well, that's cool. What are those-

Joe Rogan 44:57 ... super.

Liz Phair 44:58 ... leaves that they put on the roof?

Joe Rogan 44:59 I don't know, just leaves from some local plants that they use to make their houses. But he, you know, when he tells you what it's like over there, and the extreme poverty, and most of these people were dying because of waterborne diseases.

Liz Phair 45:14 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 45:15 So he created this charity called Fight for the Forgotten, and he goes over there and they build wells. And they've built a ton of wells. We actually contribute to it and we, um ... There's one of our sponsors, uh, the Cash App, they ... Every time you sign up for it, they give $5 to these people.

Liz Phair 45:30 That's so awesome.

Joe Rogan 45:31 Yeah, it's amazing.

Liz Phair 45:32 I mean, f- clean water is the most essential. I mean-

Joe Rogan 45:35 Yeah.

Liz Phair 45:35 ... what a brilliant ...

Joe Rogan 45:36 Well, there's a company called Water4, water4.org, water and the number four. Those people are also, uh, connected with him and they just do this everywhere. They do this all over, you know, impoverished countries. Go there and just dig wells. You can change the whole thing, because all these people, they have distended bellies 'cause they're filled with parasites and they have all these waterborne diseases and they're just dying.

Liz Phair 45:56 And the girls don't go to school 'cause they spend all day walking to the water source?

Joe Rogan 45:59 Yeah. Well, nobody goes to school. The, the pygmies? Like, they're, it's, they're incredibly uneducated. I mean, and, and then unrepresented and not, not respected or appreciated and discriminated against. And, you know, this is why this guy, who's this, just big hulk of a man says, "This is what I'm gonna concentrate on, these, these small forgotten people." It's really pretty amazing.

Liz Phair 46:19 That must be so rewarding, just to see the difference he's making.

Joe Rogan 46:22 Yeah, yeah. I always feel like such a loser-

Liz Phair 46:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:24 ... when, whenever I hang around with him. (laughs)

Liz Phair 46:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:26 Like, I'm worried about what I'm gonna eat for lunch.

Liz Phair 46:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:27 He's flying to the fucking Congo to catch malaria for the fourth time.

Liz Phair 46:31 (laughs) Fourth time. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:32 Yeah. He's had it three times.

Liz Phair 46:33 That's crazy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:34 It's fucking nuts. That shit kills people.

Liz Phair 46:36 (laughs) Huh, doesn't he just get the shots? What's the deal?

Joe Rogan 46:40 Well, you can't-

Liz Phair 46:41 The pills or something?

Joe Rogan 46:41 ... you can't really totally stop it.

Liz Phair 46:43 You can't.

Joe Rogan 46:43 The problem is when you get it once, it stays in your system. He's gotten it again when he got a cold.

Liz Phair 46:48 It's just reactivated.

Joe Rogan 46:49 Like herpes. Like, he got it again when he got a cold.

Liz Phair 46:52 Is that true? Malaria stays in your cells-

Joe Rogan 46:54 Yeah.

Liz Phair 46:54 ... forever?

Joe Rogan 46:54 According to him. Yeah, he got it when he wasn't even over there.

Liz Phair 46:57 God.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Yeah. And, um, I think-

Liz Phair 47:00 You're changing my idea about my Nile trip that I want to take.

Joe Rogan 47:03 (sighs)

Liz Phair 47:03 My bucket list Nile trip. I wanna get one of those big houseboat things-

Joe Rogan 47:07 I want to go there too.

Liz Phair 47:07 ... with like ... Have you ever seen them? They're like double-deckers and then they have the top thing, and it's just, like, a bunch of, sort of, like, game zones. Like, it's just, like, you know, cool lounge chairs with, like, covering. And it's all very open air and it just feels like you'd be having cocktails up there at sunset, walking around, talking to all your family and friends. Bucket list.

Joe Rogan 47:26 Hmm. You'd do it like one of those European explorers.

Liz Phair 47:27 And you know what I'd do? Here's what else I'd do. I'd make sure I had, like, a security boat behind me.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Ah, for the kidnappers and shit.

Liz Phair 47:36 I'd s- I'd have my little security boat-

Joe Rogan 47:37 Yeah.

Liz Phair 47:37 ... that was, like, a really zippy fast one.

Joe Rogan 47:39 Yeah.

Liz Phair 47:39 You know? Just in case.

Joe Rogan 47:41 That would be good. You would definitely need that, for sure. Yeah, fuck that place though. (laughs)

Liz Phair 47:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:47 Crocodiles alone ... (coughs)

Liz Phair 47:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:50 I have a friend who went over there. Um, he has a, a show called, uh, Uncharted, where he just travels all over the, the world and goes on these adventures. And they, they flew him into this, I think it was the Congo, because this local village was having a problem with the people there getting eaten by crocodiles.

Liz Phair 48:07 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 48:08 And everyone in the village is, like, missing an arm, they have bites taken-

Liz Phair 48:11 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 48:11 ... out of their legs. Oh, yeah. These poor people. I mean, they live ... This is the only place where the water is. They have to go there. They even create these little fences where they, um, they, like, try to fence in the area so the crocodiles can't get to that spot. They still get in there somehow and fuck these people up 'cause they've gotten accustomed to eating them.

Liz Phair 48:29 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 48:30 Oh, no.

Liz Phair 48:30 Oh, no. I thought it was just territorial.

Joe Rogan 48:31 Oh, no.

Liz Phair 48:31 I thought it was just, like, a-

Joe Rogan 48:32 No.

Liz Phair 48:32 ... you know, like a water hole tension.

Joe Rogan 48:34 Well, animals are, like ... They're opportunists, and once they decide that you're food, that's when it becomes a real problem.

Liz Phair 48:40 So there's really, like, man-eating crocodiles-

Joe Rogan 48:43 Oh, yeah.

Liz Phair 48:44 ... in those places?

Joe Rogan 48:44 There's, there's definitely man-eating crocodiles. Is this Jim Shockey? Yeah, this is my friend Jim.

Liz Phair 48:48 Mozambique.

Joe Rogan 48:49 And this guy is missing ... Yeah, it's in Mozambique.

Liz Phair 48:51 Geez.

Joe Rogan 48:51 This guy's missing a hand. This guy's missing his whole arm.

Liz Phair 48:54 That's the fence? Well, no wonder they can get in.

Joe Rogan 48:55 That's my friend Jim. He's a lovely Canadian fellow who travels everywhere. So they, they've ... He's a hunter, and they flew him in to kill these crocodiles for them.

Liz Phair 49:05 Nice.

Joe Rogan 49:05 He's ... It's crazy. I mean, look at that fucking thing. You imagine? You're, you're living right there and there's just goddamn dinosaurs everywhere.

Liz Phair 49:12 No. And, and furthermore, if you can, if you can get rid of the ... I don't know. It must be a learned behavior 'cause most crocodiles aren't doing that.

Joe Rogan 49:20 It's just that they're near people. They'll, they ... Their brains are so small and they're so, so reptilian that what, what they're just trying to do is eat. And if it's a, moving, they're gonna try to eat it. And if it's a person, it's not like they're targeting people, but they've found out-

Liz Phair 49:32 I don't think that's totally true.

Joe Rogan 49:33 ... that they can get people. Crocodiles?

Liz Phair 49:35 I don't think they're just gonna eat any old thing.

Joe Rogan 49:37 I think they eat everything they can eat. They're giant.... talking about an 1,800-pound lizard that's been the same, in exactly the same form for 60-plus million years?

Liz Phair 49:47 Uh.

Joe Rogan 49:48 What do you think?

Liz Phair 49:48 You could say the same about sharks-

Joe Rogan 49:49 Yeah.

Liz Phair 49:49 ... and they don't just go eat you.

Joe Rogan 49:51 They would if they could, if they just decided to start eating people.

Liz Phair 49:54 No, I've been with sharks and they don't eat you.

Joe Rogan 49:54 But pe- but sharks get ... People eat ... get eaten by sharks.

Liz Phair 49:58 No, they don't.

Joe Rogan 49:59 They don't ever? No one's ever been eaten by sharks?

Liz Phair 50:00 Occasionally they're eat ... Like very occasionally. No.

Joe Rogan 50:03 Very occasionally?

Liz Phair 50:04 They, they are not eaten by sharks, generally.

Joe Rogan 50:06 Well, we're not on their menu.

Liz Phair 50:06 Sharks don't have a taste for our blood, is what you're saying. Yeah, they-

Joe Rogan 50:10 Yeah, we're not on the menu.

Liz Phair 50:11 We're not on the menu.

Joe Rogan 50:12 But they will eat us.

Liz Phair 50:13 They will bite you to get you-

Joe Rogan 50:15 Yeah.

Liz Phair 50:15 ... out of their zone, or they might mistake you and bite you.

Joe Rogan 50:18 Right. They eat you 'cause they think you're something else.

Liz Phair 50:20 But they don't ... Y- you're saying "eat", which means like you sit down and you finish the meal, right?

Joe Rogan 50:24 Right.

Liz Phair 50:24 I think that rarely happens.

Joe Rogan 50:26 Usually they just bite you in half and just go-

Liz Phair 50:28 Probably.

Joe Rogan 50:28 ... "Fuck this tastes like shit. I'm gonna go find a seal."

Liz Phair 50:30 They're like, "Get the fuck out of my zone." You know? And like, that's the end of you.

Joe Rogan 50:34 Well, I know there's some animals that actively target people and it becomes a giant problem, like in India. In India there's this river, this place called the Sunderbans, where the-

Liz Phair 50:42 Oh, the bull sharks.

Joe Rogan 50:44 No, no. These are tigers.

Liz Phair 50:46 Tiger sharks?

Joe Rogan 50:46 Yeah, bulls ... Bull sharks are very aggressive and they do kill people. But these aren't tiger sharks. They're tigers, just the cat. They kill a lot of people.

Liz Phair 50:53 They'll eat you.

Joe Rogan 50:54 Yeah, they eat the shit outta you. Yeah.

Liz Phair 50:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:56 (laughs)

Liz Phair 50:56 They'll sit down and like put the napkin-

Joe Rogan 50:58 (laughs)

Liz Phair 50:58 ... in their collar and get like their ... (laughs) look. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:01 Yeah. Well, they actively hunt people in this one place and they've been doing it for hundreds of years. They've ... They said over the last 200 years, 300,000 people have been killed by tigers in the Sunderbans.

Liz Phair 51:11 What?

Joe Rogan 51:12 Yep. Over the last 200 years, 300,000 people have been killed by tigers.

Liz Phair 51:19 I don't know what to do with that number. It seems-

Joe Rogan 51:20 It's-

Liz Phair 51:20 ... implausible.

Joe Rogan 51:21 It's insane. Well, it's just so common. First of all, India has a billion people, right? And a lot of them are really poor and they're living by these rivers. And these cats are everywhere and it's tall grass. Have you ever seen that video of the cat, the giant tiger leaping up and attacking the guy when he's on an elephant?

Liz Phair 51:37 No.

Joe Rogan 51:37 Dude.

Liz Phair 51:39 Do you have that?

Joe Rogan 51:39 This is, just shows ... Yeah.

Liz Phair 51:40 Can you bring that up?

Joe Rogan 51:40 It shows you (laughs) pull it up, Jamie. It shows you how crazy India is. This guy's on top of an elephant and he's walking this elephant through this grass. And this tiger runs through the grass and leaps up into the air and fucks him up-

Liz Phair 51:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:55 ... while he's on this elephant.

Liz Phair 51:57 I shouldn't laugh, but it's kinda funny. It's like-

Joe Rogan 51:59 It's kinda funny.

Liz Phair 52:00 ... what a hell of a tiger.

Joe Rogan 52:01 They're, they're insane. I mean, if a tiger was in a movie as a monster, it'd be one of the scariest monsters ever.

Narrator 52:07 I can't play this on YouTube, by the way.

Joe Rogan 52:07 Oh, yeah. We can't play it on YouTube, but just-

Narrator 52:09 Everyone knows what it is.

Joe Rogan 52:10 Yeah. Every-

Liz Phair 52:10 Wait, why can't you play it on YouTube?

Joe Rogan 52:11 They'll pull it down because somebody owns this. They have a copyright. So here's the guy. So he's on top of this elephant. Now look at the grass and they spot it and then the thing starts running.

Liz Phair 52:21 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Joe Rogan 52:23 Look at this.

Liz Phair 52:23 Yep. It is on. Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 52:26 Look at the fart jumps. (laughs)

Liz Phair 52:27 What a jump.

Joe Rogan 52:28 And it's going after him. It knows that he's up there. Look at it. It's like, "Bitch."

Liz Phair 52:33 Well, if I were the elephant, I'd just mess that tiger up.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Tore the guy's arm apart. The elephant didn't even give a fuck. It's just hanging out. I like the elephant's like, "Whatever, bitch. Tigers can't kill me." (laughs) . I'm too big.

Liz Phair 52:43 Can't an elephant even that size just stomp on it? Pretty sure.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Tigers don't kill elephants, but lions do. And when lions do, they're really hungry and they get a bunch of 'em and they gang up on an elephant.

Liz Phair 52:54 Okay, don't talk about it 'cause you're gonna talk about the baby elephants that get ganged up on first.

Joe Rogan 52:58 Oh, it's not even necessarily babies. They'll take out a real elephant, like a full-grown-

Liz Phair 53:01 Well, not if it's with the herd.

Joe Rogan 53:03 Right. What is this? Trying to save a goat. Woman fights off tiger with a stick. Jesus.

Liz Phair 53:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:08 Let the goat go. Christ, lady. It's a fucking goat.

Liz Phair 53:11 I like, I like the kangaroo punching ones. Those ... That's my favorite.

Joe Rogan 53:16 (laughs)

Liz Phair 53:16 That dude, I wanna marry that dude. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:17 Oh, that dude that s-

Liz Phair 53:18 He's like, he's out there-

Joe Rogan 53:19 ... that punched the kangaroo?

Liz Phair 53:20 And like, there's this squaring off.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Yeah.

Liz Phair 53:21 You know how he's like trying to figure it out and then they just like pop sometimes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:26 (laughs) People were mad at that guy.

Liz Phair 53:28 It was so cute. It was so funny.

Joe Rogan 53:29 But if you're an animal lover, this kid ... The kangaroo was fucking up his dog.

Liz Phair 53:32 Oh, the kanga- Those male kangaroos fight all the time.

Joe Rogan 53:35 They do.

Liz Phair 53:35 They're always like punching. That was just like a really fun ... This is the guy.

Joe Rogan 53:39 Well, they choke each other.

Narrator 53:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:39 Yeah.

Liz Phair 53:39 Yeah, and he's gonna get his dog. So I would do the same thing.

Joe Rogan 53:42 Yeah, like he jumps off.

Liz Phair 53:42 I would run right out there.

Joe Rogan 53:43 It's 'cause it's got the dog-

Liz Phair 53:44 Here he comes.

Joe Rogan 53:45 ... in its, in its grip.

Liz Phair 53:45 This guy's so awesome. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:47 Look at the-

Liz Phair 53:48 I know.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Kangaroos are so weird. They don't even seem real.

Liz Phair 53:50 They seem too human.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Yeah, look at that. Look at it.

Liz Phair 53:53 Here we go.

Joe Rogan 53:53 Squares off.

Liz Phair 53:54 Squaring off. Thinking about it. Bam. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:57 It's like, "Yeah, bitch."

Liz Phair 53:59 I just love ... The kangaroo does not know what to do. He's like, "Am I supposed to fight you?"

Joe Rogan 54:03 He doesn't know what to do.

Liz Phair 54:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:04 He doesn't know what to do.

Liz Phair 54:04 He is so cute.

Joe Rogan 54:05 He's like, "Fuck this." What a weird animal that it bounces off like that on two legs.

Liz Phair 54:08 Great guy though, right?

Joe Rogan 54:10 Oh, yeah. For sure. And also that he didn't follow up. (laughs)

Narrator 54:13 What do you think they were ... What was it doing? Like just fighting it or playing with it? Or-

Joe Rogan 54:16 The dog was barking.

Liz Phair 54:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:17 The kangaroo decided to grab ahold of the dog and get him in a headlock. And that's what they do.

Liz Phair 54:22 Which is really nice.

Joe Rogan 54:23 They do that to each other.

Liz Phair 54:23 Right? Like that's like generally giving you time to react a different way.

Joe Rogan 54:27 They-

Liz Phair 54:27 That's giving you a moment to not escalate.

Joe Rogan 54:30 Yes. Sure. If you let the dog-

Liz Phair 54:31 'Cause the dog's ... If you see the beginning of the video, he's running around this kangaroo.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Yeah.

Liz Phair 54:35 He thinks he's hunting. He thinks he's like alerting his company in the car to the target, right?

Narrator 54:41 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:41 He doesn't even seem like a real animal. They seem-

Liz Phair 54:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:43 ... like something from an Avatar movie, right?

Liz Phair 54:45 I wanna cuddle with them all. When I see like wild animals-

Narrator 54:48 (laughs)

Liz Phair 54:48 ... like all I want is to take them all home and just cuddle with them.

Joe Rogan 54:52 It's ... The guy punched it right in the face too.

Liz Phair 54:54 I mean, look at the fur on its belly.

Joe Rogan 54:56 The kangaroo just took it.

Liz Phair 54:56 You know that fur on the belly is really like soft.

Joe Rogan 54:58 Do you think that's a mama? Do you think that's a pouch?

Liz Phair 55:00 No, I think that's a dude.

Joe Rogan 55:01 That's a dude? I don't see ... I don't see-

Liz Phair 55:03 Well, he's not as big as m-

Joe Rogan 55:05 ... any apparatus.

Liz Phair 55:05 He's-

Joe Rogan 55:05 I think that's a woman.

Liz Phair 55:06 It might be 'cause she's not very big.

Narrator 55:08 So they-

Joe Rogan 55:09 Well, that also makes sense too, that that's what that pouch is, or the tummy.

Narrator 55:12 That's what that is.

Joe Rogan 55:12 What's that?

Liz Phair 55:12 Uh-huh.

Narrator 55:13 I think there's a little bit of thing right there.

Joe Rogan 55:14 It says something?

Narrator 55:15 No, it's that.

Liz Phair 55:16 What?

Joe Rogan 55:16 What?

Narrator 55:17 That little thing hanging down there. You see that?

Joe Rogan 55:19 Uh, that's a tail.

Liz Phair 55:19 Like a penis thing?

Narrator 55:20 No, the tail is back here.

Joe Rogan 55:21 No, that can't be the penis.

Narrator 55:22 Bro, their tail is huge.

Joe Rogan 55:24 Right. That's not-

Liz Phair 55:24 Oh, wait. Move it.

Joe Rogan 55:25 ... like some hair from it?

Liz Phair 55:25 Move it a second. No, that is a penis.

Narrator 55:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:28 Come on.

Narrator 55:28 Look right there.

Joe Rogan 55:29 Where's the balls?

Narrator 55:29 Bouncing around.

Liz Phair 55:30 There it is.

Joe Rogan 55:30 Maybe that's just like the-

Liz Phair 55:31 Nope.

Joe Rogan 55:31 ... the curtain for the vag.

Narrator 55:33 Or the ball's my bad side.

Liz Phair 55:33 But he isn't a very developed kangaroo. He's not gonna win many fights.

Joe Rogan 55:36 Yeah.

Liz Phair 55:37 He's sort of a beta there.

Joe Rogan 55:38 Right, there's some giant kangaroos. Those big scary ones. Look at this one knocking on the door. "Hey man. Hey man." (laughs) ... uh, let me in. Look at the claws on those fuckers.

Liz Phair 55:46 Oh, yeah. That's scary.

Joe Rogan 55:47 Jesus.

Liz Phair 55:48 That's what I'm saying. When he put the dog in the headlock, he could easily have taken care of that dog, but he didn't. He like-

Joe Rogan 55:53 Yeah.

Liz Phair 55:53 He, he kept the head. He was like, "I'm shutting this down."

Joe Rogan 55:56 I really think we're misgendering.

Liz Phair 55:58 "I'm shutting this down."

Joe Rogan 55:58 (laughs) I think we're misgendering that kangaroo. I think it's a girl.

Liz Phair 56:01 Uh ...

Joe Rogan 56:01 See, that one looks like a dude. See, look? The difference? You see his cock.

Liz Phair 56:04 No, I think they're the same.

Joe Rogan 56:06 Look at that one. That's a dude.

Liz Phair 56:06 I think they're the same.

Joe Rogan 56:07 That one's super jacked.

Liz Phair 56:08 That is a dude.

Narrator 56:08 Well, uh, maybe. I-

Joe Rogan 56:09 A kangaroo chases people.

Narrator 56:10 It's 'cause it has muscles.

Joe Rogan 56:11 Is it really chasing people? Yeah, 'cause it has muscles. Maybe it's a female that goes-

Liz Phair 56:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:16 ... does a lot of CrossFit.

Liz Phair 56:17 (laughs) It's a golfer.

Joe Rogan 56:18 Whoa.

Liz Phair 56:18 They, the, the secret life of golfers, like there's, there's crocodiles on the golf courses.

Joe Rogan 56:23 Yeah.

Liz Phair 56:23 There's kangaroos. What else is, like, going on for those golfers?

Narrator 56:25 Deer.

Liz Phair 56:26 Lightning.

Joe Rogan 56:27 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Golfers die.

Liz Phair 56:29 Yeah. Golfers.

Joe Rogan 56:30 They get ... They're holding onto a piece of metal.

Liz Phair 56:32 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:34 How many golfers die every year from lightning strikes? I say three.

Liz Phair 56:37 A lot.

Narrator 56:38 It happened to somebody I know, or my parents knew. I was there when it happened.

Joe Rogan 56:40 He died?

Liz Phair 56:41 You were there?

Narrator 56:41 Yeah. There was like a ... They were all in the clubhouse and he must've stepped outside 'cause he thought nothing would happen and, yeah, lightning struck.

Joe Rogan 56:48 Wow.

Liz Phair 56:48 We used to hear about that all the time, right? Like, people would have to come home and ...

Joe Rogan 56:52 How many people do you think? Liz Phair, take a guess.

Liz Phair 56:54 What? Every year?

Joe Rogan 56:55 How many number every year?

Liz Phair 56:56 Uh, well, I'm gonna go with strikes over deaths. I was gonna go-

Joe Rogan 57:00 Mm-kay. Strikes.

Liz Phair 57:00 ... 'cause I'm gonna say strikes, I'm gonna say there's about ... Struck by lightning? At least a couple 100.

Joe Rogan 57:07 A couple 100. Golfers or regular folk?

Liz Phair 57:09 Struck by ... Oh, golfers. Just golfers.

Joe Rogan 57:10 Yeah. Just golfers.

Liz Phair 57:10 Just golfers.

Joe Rogan 57:11 Yeah.

Liz Phair 57:11 Ooh, ooh, ooh. I'm gonna go with ... Worldwide?

Joe Rogan 57:15 United States.

Liz Phair 57:17 Just United States?

Joe Rogan 57:18 Yeah.

Liz Phair 57:18 That seems unfair.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Okay, worldwide.

Liz Phair 57:20 Worldwide, I'm gonna go with ... 25.

Joe Rogan 57:25 Mm. I like it. I was gonna, I was gonna say 23 worldwide.

Narrator 57:28 Okay.

Joe Rogan 57:29 I say three deaths in the United States per year.

Liz Phair 57:30 And these are just strikes. These are not deaths.

Narrator 57:32 The average of-

Liz Phair 57:33 These are not deaths. For me.

Narrator 57:33 The United States averaged 51 annual lightning strike fatalities-

Joe Rogan 57:35 (laughs) .

Narrator 57:36 ... over the last 20 years.

Liz Phair 57:36 We underestimated.

Joe Rogan 57:37 Whoa.

Liz Phair 57:38 We low-balled that.

Narrator 57:38 Placing it in second position.

Joe Rogan 57:39 51 a year?

Liz Phair 57:40 That's just the United States.

Joe Rogan 57:40 Okay, but how many of those guys are golfers?

Narrator 57:42 That's what I typed in actually.

Joe Rogan 57:43 And how many of them are assholes with a kite with a key hanging off of it?

Liz Phair 57:46 (laughs)

Narrator 57:46 I typed in how many golfers die each year from lightning, but how many people is what ...

Liz Phair 57:50 (laughs) How many people are at Coachella? You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 57:54 Right.

Narrator 57:54 There you go. 5% of the annual ones happen on golf courses, so 5%-

Liz Phair 57:58 5%.

Joe Rogan 57:58 Oh. Yeah.

Narrator 57:59 ... of 51 is like ...

Liz Phair 58:00 We overestimated.

Joe Rogan 58:01 Yeah.

Liz Phair 58:02 10.

Joe Rogan 58:02 Two? Two and a half? Something like that?

Narrator 58:04 No, not that high.

Liz Phair 58:04 10.

Joe Rogan 58:04 Not a lot.

Liz Phair 58:05 Two.

Joe Rogan 58:05 Yeah. I would've said three.

Liz Phair 58:06 'Cause y- you missed how bad I am at math. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:09 (laughs) Yeah, if you can't be as bad as me.

Liz Phair 58:12 5% of 51 is 10. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:15 Yeah. There's no way you're as bad as me.

Liz Phair 58:17 That's pretty bad.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Yeah. I'm bad. I'm very bad. I think that's inherited too. My kids suck at math too.

Liz Phair 58:23 I figure if you don't have to ... Like, if you can look it up easily, like names, dates, math.

Joe Rogan 58:28 Yeah.

Liz Phair 58:29 I don't think you have to remember that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:31 Well, that's what I'm saying to my kids. I'm like, "Look, you see the phone? The calculator. F- learn how to do that."

Liz Phair 58:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:35 Don't fuck with us.

Liz Phair 58:35 I'm delegating.

Joe Rogan 58:36 Just kidding.

Liz Phair 58:36 I'm delegating that to Google.

Joe Rogan 58:38 Yeah. Let Google figure it out. Trust in Google. Trust in your overlords.

Liz Phair 58:42 I'm gonna do the heavy lifting. I'm gonna do like the big picture.

Joe Rogan 58:45 Yeah. Trust in your overlord.

Liz Phair 58:47 What are all these little gizmos? What does that do?

Joe Rogan 58:49 That is, uh, a clock made by TGT Studios. It's a guy who's a, uh, he's an artist and he makes these things all out of ... It's all handmade out of wood and walnut and he gets these Russian ... What are those things called? Those things that are inside of it?

Liz Phair 59:07 The little dolls?

Narrator 59:08 A Nixie tube.

Joe Rogan 59:08 Nexi tube.

Narrator 59:09 Nixie.

Joe Rogan 59:10 Nixie tube.

Narrator 59:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:10 And that's how he gets it to read the numbers and shit.

Liz Phair 59:14 But what is it saying? What does it mean? Is it a Doomsday Clock?

Joe Rogan 59:16 Just 1:47. It's the time. 1:47 and 46 seconds.

Liz Phair 59:20 Oh. Ah.

Joe Rogan 59:20 Yeah. He's badass. He does a lot of really cool shit. He's a craftsman. He does a lot of, like, really fascinating stuff. You got his Instagram page?

Narrator 59:28 I'm pulling that right up.

Joe Rogan 59:28 TGT Studios.

Liz Phair 59:31 Do you ever check Daily Mail for like the hideous side of life?

Joe Rogan 59:35 (sighs) I check the internet for the hideous side of life.

Liz Phair 59:39 (laughs) It takes a while to find the hideous side.

Joe Rogan 59:39 What do you, what do you check?

Liz Phair 59:41 I do check Daily Mail. It's like my horrible ... And I, I despise-

Joe Rogan 59:45 Like gossip-y type stuff?

Liz Phair 59:46 ... myself every time I do.

Joe Rogan 59:47 There's a dude's, there's a dude's website.

Liz Phair 59:49 Oh, nice.

Joe Rogan 59:49 Pretty dope, right?

Liz Phair 59:50 Yeah, it is really cool.

Joe Rogan 59:52 Yeah. He makes cool stuff. So what are you ... Like, what are you looking for?

Liz Phair 59:56 I really just want the gossip.

Joe Rogan 59:57 Oh.

Liz Phair 59:57 I'm just there to find out-

Joe Rogan 59:59 Just dirt.

Liz Phair 59:59 It's like going to the, you know, the well in the village.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 1:00:02 With, uh ... I wanna know what's going on with everybody.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 It's exactly what it is.

Liz Phair 1:00:05 But then they always sneak in something like utterly devastatingly just shocking and awful.

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Like what?

Liz Phair 1:00:12 Like, you know, they would ... They'd have Kim Kardashian next to like the ISIS beheadings and it would be like side by side.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 (laughs)

Liz Phair 1:00:17 So you couldn't miss it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Right.

Liz Phair 1:00:19 And I know that that's part of like your friend the hunter, the adrenaline rush.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 1:00:22 I know that's part of why I go there because m- my, my system might be shocked a little bit.

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 Yeah.

Liz Phair 1:00:27 But it's, it's a revolting impulse. Like, that's the worst of me.

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 You g- It's like a big tub of ice cream that's in your fridge every day and you know you shouldn't eat it.

Liz Phair 1:00:37 (laughs) And you do.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 You just eat it.

Liz Phair 1:00:38 You sit down in your underwear. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 And you know it's bad for you. (laughs)

Liz Phair 1:00:40 You eat it in the middle of the night. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 And you're like, "What the fuck is wrong with me?"

Liz Phair 1:00:43 Hit the remote. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 Every time I watch one of those videos, after it's over I'm like, "Why the fuck did I watch that?"

Liz Phair 1:00:49 Yeah. Do you think that stuff like adds up in your brain? Like how much of our stress and unhappiness and all that kind of stuff that culturally everybody feels is because you expose yourself to things that you just shouldn't know about in the moment?

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 I think for sure. For sure it has an effect. It's a matter of, uh, does it have an effect as, in as far as raising awareness of consequences of devious actions? Or does it have an effect in that you're always worried about it, and so it sort of manifests itself more often because it's constantly in your head?

Liz Phair 1:01:17 The latter. The latter.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 Probably.

Liz Phair 1:01:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Makes sense.

Liz Phair 1:01:20 And then we need a cup of coffee, a drink, and a joint, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Yeah. Just to just try to unwind.

Liz Phair 1:01:24 And sex. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 And, and find a group of people-

Liz Phair 1:01:26 And food.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 ... that you can hang out with that you trust, that are cool, to protect you from all those fuckers coming over the fence. Right?

Liz Phair 1:01:33 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 I mean, that's what everybody's worried.

Liz Phair 1:01:34 Full circle.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 That's what everybody's worried about.

Liz Phair 1:01:36 Full circle. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 I mean, that's w- worry about Russia, right? Everybody's worried about Russia, right? There's no thing there's-

Liz Phair 1:01:39 Uh, I'm pissed. I'm not worried, I'm pissed.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 Do you see the thing that they're parking submarines over the power li- over the internet lines?

Narrator 1:01:47 Yeah. I was wondering about that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 What the fuck is that?

Liz Phair 1:01:48 Just to be a dick?

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 I don't know. Like, probably to let us know, "Hey, fucker. We cut, cut line with no problem."

Narrator 1:01:55 If that happened, how fast do you think it would take before we got something back up again? Or how l- how fast or how long-

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 But isn't it crazy that there's a line that goes across the fucking ocean and that's how the internet works?

Liz Phair 1:02:05 Yes.There are times when I will sit and dream about those lines-

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 (laughs)

Narrator 1:02:10 (laughs)

Liz Phair 1:02:10 ... and I'll just sit there thinking... I'll see this sort of greenish murk, and then I'll s- hear the silence and that clicking sound that you're under, you know, with all the fishes eating stuff?

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 1:02:19 You hear that like, literal like clicking stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Yeah.

Liz Phair 1:02:21 And I'll picture these lonely ass cables just draped down the side of a cliff, like in the great abyss.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Ooh.

Liz Phair 1:02:28 And like I'll just picture their loneliness for a while.

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 Wow.

Liz Phair 1:02:32 Yeah.

Narrator 1:02:33 Look how many there are.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 That's intense. Whoa, they're everywhere.

Narrator 1:02:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Can you imagine if aliens came here and saw that? They'd be like, "What in the fuck are these crazy assholes doing?"

Liz Phair 1:02:42 Yes. Wires... I asked my son what he thinks we're gonna look back on in the future and think was like the craziest thing we lived with, and he said, "Wires." And I thought it was kind of brilliant.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 That's what a kid would say, right, that lives in this world today-

Liz Phair 1:02:53 But I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 ... that is brilliant?

Liz Phair 1:02:54 Imagine-

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 Wireless charging, wireless internet.

Liz Phair 1:02:55 If I didn't have wires, I could just play live and move anywhere around on the stage. I didn't have to stand in front... I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Right.

Liz Phair 1:03:02 The fact that we stand in front of a mic, I know is a great tradit- tradition, and it's really cool in rock and roll. (clears throat) But I personally feel very hemmed in by this mic stand. I have to stand-

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Have you ever thought about going straight Bobby Brown?

Liz Phair 1:03:14 I did.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 My Prerogative?

Liz Phair 1:03:14 And it was like all my friends just took-

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 (laughs)

Liz Phair 1:03:17 ... me aside, and they were like, "No."

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 (laughs)

Narrator 1:03:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 You can't do it?

Liz Phair 1:03:21 I can't do it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 But it works for Anthony Robbins.

Liz Phair 1:03:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 He does it. "Everybody come on. Clap your hands. (claps hands) Feel the energy."

Liz Phair 1:03:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 He does it, right? Doesn't he go Bobby Brown?

Liz Phair 1:03:32 Now you're-

Narrator 1:03:32 He runs all over the arena though.

Liz Phair 1:03:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Whenever it's anybody wears those, it's Bobby Brown, period.

Liz Phair 1:03:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 Like he did it (laughs) , he did it for My Prerogative, and that's it, for the rest of everyone's life.

Liz Phair 1:03:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 That's a Bobby Brown.

Liz Phair 1:03:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 He's got the Bobby Brown. I know a comic who does that.

Liz Phair 1:03:47 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 He d- yeah. He does his act with one of those things on.

Liz Phair 1:03:49 Wait, why?

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 Ugh, exactly.

Liz Phair 1:03:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 I fucking don't get it. There's Anthony Robbins. Look at him. Big beautiful son of a bitch.

Liz Phair 1:03:57 Hey, at one point I bought the box set.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Hey.

Liz Phair 1:03:59 You know, at one point I was like trying in my car to listen-

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 I like this guy.

Liz Phair 1:04:02 ... to my positivity.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Look, he's got some very good points. He says some things that really can work. You know, it's like... Here's the thing, Anthony Robbins is like any delicious meal. You do not want to eat it all fucking day every day. And if you hear too much Anthony Robbins, you're like, "Okay, e-fucking-nough."

Liz Phair 1:04:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 "I get it. Be positive. Put out the energy." Like, look at him, "Yes, we're gonna walk on coals. Yes." It's weird too, right?

Liz Phair 1:04:30 Is that what he's doing? Is he walking on coals?

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 He does do that.

Liz Phair 1:04:32 Why is he wet?

Narrator 1:04:33 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 He does do that, but here's what's interesting about today.

Liz Phair 1:04:35 Do we know why he's wet there?

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 'Cause he's fucking jacked and he's just running and sweating up a storm-

Liz Phair 1:04:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 ... getting these people pumped. Maybe it's raining out.

Liz Phair 1:04:42 It's gotta be raining.

Narrator 1:04:43 It does say rain, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 Yeah, it could be. Um, but they do this fire walk thing, which is essentially... Here's the thing, coals-

Liz Phair 1:04:50 Oh my God, look at him.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 You know those-

Liz Phair 1:04:51 All this pos- I'm gonna try all this on stage.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 Ah, he's throwing his arm back.

Liz Phair 1:04:54 I'm gonna get wet. I'm gonna throw my arm back-

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 That's the Chuck Liddell.

Liz Phair 1:04:56 ... and be like, "Aah."

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 Yeah. Go for it.

Liz Phair 1:05:00 Uh, with my Bobby Brown.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Yeah.

Narrator 1:05:01 (laughs)

Liz Phair 1:05:01 This is all gonna happen with my Bobby Brown. (claps hands)

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 (claps hands)

Liz Phair 1:05:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 If you have one of those, you could be totally wireless, right?

Liz Phair 1:05:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 Just hook it up into a backpack and wireless action.

Liz Phair 1:05:12 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 One of them little things-

Liz Phair 1:05:14 Free-

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 ... sits on your belt.

Liz Phair 1:05:16 ... Free Fair.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 Yeah.

Liz Phair 1:05:17 Free Fair.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Free Fair.

Liz Phair 1:05:18 Free Fair. She's tired of being stuck.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 That should be a, a T-shirt that just says, "Free Fair," and it's just the Bobby Brown thing.

Narrator 1:05:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 And like a silhouette of your head-

Liz Phair 1:05:28 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 ... with just the dark Bobby Brown thing over your face.

Liz Phair 1:05:31 No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 Someone's gonna make it-

Liz Phair 1:05:32 No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 ... by the end of this podcast.

Liz Phair 1:05:34 But that's not even what I want.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Someone will have that and we're gonna put it up on Instagram.

Liz Phair 1:05:37 I don't want the Bobby Brown. I want a parabolic, um, parachute thing over my whole stage.

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 Oh.

Liz Phair 1:05:42 So anywhere I go... Don't they have that for sports now? They have this like parabolic microphone thing-

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Mm-hmm.

Liz Phair 1:05:47 ... where they can like zoom in on the coach talking or zoom in on-

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Yeah.

Liz Phair 1:05:50 I think so. They got this thing where like it's very directional.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 Right.

Liz Phair 1:05:53 It's like a laser of a microphone. So it can be up in the ceiling of the arena, and then they just point it at somebody and they can go right in and hear their conversation.

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 That's like probably some CIA shit, right?

Liz Phair 1:06:03 I don't... Not yet.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 They've been using it-

Liz Phair 1:06:04 Happen?

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 Do you know that they, they can listen to what you say in a room by monitoring the window and the vibrations-

Liz Phair 1:06:13 (gasps) .

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 ... of normal human conversation has enough of an effect on the window that they can translate that into speech.

Liz Phair 1:06:21 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 Whoa.

Liz Phair 1:06:23 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 They know the noises you're making based on the effect it has on a window in a room. You don't even have to be screaming, just talking.

Liz Phair 1:06:32 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 That's crazy. Yeah, that's real.

Liz Phair 1:06:34 Well, don't you kind of just assume that we're being listened to all the time?

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 Oh, for sure. Now-

Liz Phair 1:06:38 Everywhere?

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 Now, after Edward Snowden and all that stuff, after, you know, the, the releases of-

Liz Phair 1:06:44 I feel like I've got