Joe Rogan Experience #1106 - Colion Noir

Colion Noir 0:00 ... about 1/4 of that.

Joe Rogan 0:04 How do I pronounce your name?

Colion Noir 0:05 Kolyon Noir.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Kolyon?

Colion Noir 0:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:07 Okay.

Colion Noir 0:08 Yeah. Now, there's a conspiracy out there-

Joe Rogan 0:11 Oh.

Colion Noir 0:11 ... that-

Joe Rogan 0:11 Okay.

Colion Noir 0:11 ... um, I made this name up.

Joe Rogan 0:13 Yeah. Well, we'll talk about that.

Colion Noir 0:14 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:14 We'll talk about that. We're, we're live already? Yeah, yeah. How'd you do that so quickly? Yeah, you weren't looking last- Oh, you're a wizard.

Colion Noir 0:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:20 Uh, what's the conspiracy about your... Your name is Kolyon Noir.

Colion Noir 0:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:24 What's the conspiracy about your name?

Colion Noir 0:25 That I made it up to hide who I really was.

Joe Rogan 0:28 Oh, some CIA-type shit.

Colion Noir 0:29 And I'm... Yeah, like-

Joe Rogan 0:29 Hmm.

Colion Noir 0:29 ... like, everybody gets to have, like, pseudonyms except for me. When you're talking about guns, you don't get to have pseudonyms.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Did you have a, a different name?

Colion Noir 0:36 Yeah, my name's Collins.

Joe Rogan 0:38 Oh.

Colion Noir 0:39 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:39 Okay. So, you did change your name?

Colion Noir 0:41 Yeah, I did.

Joe Rogan 0:41 But there's a conspiracy behind you changing your name?

Colion Noir 0:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:44 But that's not real? You just-

Colion Noir 0:45 It's not. I was-

Joe Rogan 0:45 ... decided you wanted a different name?

Colion Noir 0:47 I, I got into guns, and I wanted to start watching gun videos, and so I wanted to make a YouTube channel. And I didn't want to use my real name 'cause I thought that wasn't cool enough. And so I said-

Joe Rogan 0:57 You thought your name wasn't cool enough?

Colion Noir 0:58 No, I didn't want to-

Joe Rogan 0:59 That's such a African American thing.

Colion Noir 1:01 Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02 Like... Y- yeah, I mean, I know comedians who change their names, like Earthquake. (laughs)

Colion Noir 1:06 Who the hell is Earthquake?

Joe Rogan 1:07 You don't know who Earthquake is?

Colion Noir 1:08 Nah.

Joe Rogan 1:08 Fucking hilarious comedian, man.

Colion Noir 1:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10 He's hilarious. But a white dude couldn't call himself Earthquake.

Colion Noir 1:14 Yeah, he could.

Joe Rogan 1:15 Nah. Come on. You could, but nobody would... A wrestler. Oh, is the w- wrestler named Earthquake? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Colion Noir 1:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:19 Yeah, he's a big- But that's different. That's different. Yeah, he's a big... Yeah. That was-

Colion Noir 1:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:22 Probably a big, giant guy, right? Yeah, yeah.

Colion Noir 1:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:25 So, what's your original name? What's your actual, full original name?

Colion Noir 1:28 I'll give you my first name.

Joe Rogan 1:29 Okay.

Colion Noir 1:29 I just, I just don't wanna make it easy for people to show up at my house.

Joe Rogan 1:32 Oh, okay.

Colion Noir 1:32 Um, Collins.

Joe Rogan 1:33 Collins?

Colion Noir 1:33 Collins is my real name. Yeah, Koly- the way-

Joe Rogan 1:35 That's a fine name. Something wrong with that name.

Colion Noir 1:36 No, there's nothing wrong with it.

Joe Rogan 1:38 Why'd that name bother you to the point where you didn't wanna have it on, uh-

Colion Noir 1:41 No, I just-

Joe Rogan 1:41 ... a YouTube channel?

Colion Noir 1:41 I just thought it'd be more fun-

Joe Rogan 1:43 Oh.

Colion Noir 1:43 ... to just come up with a pseudonym for my YouTube channel. Like I didn't start my YouTube channel thinking, "All right. I'm gonna start this channel, and I'm gonna build this whole brand behind it."

Joe Rogan 1:51 Right.

Colion Noir 1:52 No, it was just-

Joe Rogan 1:52 You did it for fun?

Colion Noir 1:53 I wanted... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Yeah.

Colion Noir 1:54 My friends called me... One of my friends, he called me, um, Killer Kolyon, right?

Joe Rogan 1:59 Right.

Colion Noir 1:59 That was the kinda little nickname that I had. And so I was like, "Okay, well just use Kolyon," and then I'm like, "I'm always in black."

Joe Rogan 2:04 Why'd he call you Killer Kolyon?

Colion Noir 2:05 I have no idea. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:07 Just one of those things?

Colion Noir 2:07 I, I talk to him to this day, and I still don't know why he called me that.

Joe Rogan 2:10 Yeah, there's nicknames, man, that just happen sometimes.

Colion Noir 2:12 Yeah. Now, there is a rapper in Houston by that name.

Joe Rogan 2:16 Killer Kolyon?

Colion Noir 2:17 Kolyon, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:17 Oh, okay.

Colion Noir 2:18 Yeah. Um, so I don't know if maybe he listened to him and then my name Collins and then Kolyon-

Joe Rogan 2:23 Hmm.

Colion Noir 2:23 ... so forth and so on. Yeah, so...

Joe Rogan 2:26 So, how did you get wrapped up with the NRA? So, let-

Colion Noir 2:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:30 We should kinda, we should cover a couple-

Colion Noir 2:33 We'll do, we'll do the origin story?

Joe Rogan 2:34 ... of things here today. (clears throat) Yeah.

Colion Noir 2:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:35 So, you're kind of like a spokesperson for the NRA?

Colion Noir 2:38 Mm-mm. Not official spokesperson.

Joe Rogan 2:39 Not official?

Colion Noir 2:40 No.

Joe Rogan 2:40 Unofficial?

Colion Noir 2:40 Mm-mm. No, I am-

Joe Rogan 2:41 But do they... You are a member of the NRA? Do they-

Colion Noir 2:43 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:43 ... recognize you? Do they appreciate you? Like, how does that work?

Colion Noir 2:46 Okay. So, the way it started th- you... I mean, I'm gonna start from the beginning.

Joe Rogan 2:50 Okay.

Colion Noir 2:51 All right. So, um, my... I had a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, who called me up one day and was like, "Do you wanna go shooting?" And I was like, "Uh," 'cause at the time, I really wasn't pro-gun. And this was about... I was around 23, 24?

Joe Rogan 3:04 How old are you now?

Colion Noir 3:05 I'm 34.

Joe Rogan 3:06 So, this is f- 10 years ago?

Colion Noir 3:07 Yeah. And (smacks lips) I hesitated a little bit 'cause my background growing up, like, I didn't grow up with guns in the house. Um, no one in my family had a gun. And for me, the idea and the notion of being a young Black male with a gun, it's always-

Joe Rogan 3:23 Negative.

Colion Noir 3:23 ... I always saw it through... Exactly, through the lens of, you know, gangbanger, drug dealer, so forth and so on. So, that's the mindset I had when, with respect to firearms. Um, unconsciously, right? I didn't even realize it, wasn't even conscious of it until I started getting into this very heavy and realized, "Okay, wow, I was thinking like that, didn't realize it." And so... But at the same time, I told myself, "Why am I afraid of essentially what is an inanimate object," right? So, I think to myself, I'm like, "All right, I really don't wanna go. I'm a little terrified, but you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and do it." And so, I remember getting to the range. We get to the range, and we walk into the door, and then I hear the door for where the actual bays are, and I hear the pop, pop, pop go off. And I'm like, "Holy crap, this is actually happening." And so I kinda had this nervousness, but I'm with my friend, right? And so I don't want my friend to feel like, "Okay, you're acting kinda like a bitch." Right?

Joe Rogan 4:18 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 4:18 So, I kinda kept it to myself. We get to the counter. We do all the paperwork that, you know, requisite paperwork, liability forms, all that. Um, and he has his gun. We get some ammo, we go to the lane. I remember it was, uh, the very last lane. It was, uh, name of the range was Top Gun in Houston. And so we go to the very last range, he gives me kind of like a brief instruction about how to shoot the gun, how to load it, so forth and so on. And so at that point, uh, I remember picking up the gun terrified, not knowing what to expect, not knowing what was gonna happen. So, I remember picking it up. It was a little Taurus PT11, PT111 Millennium in .40 caliber, and this was a subcompact. Probably not the best first time shooting gun to use.

Joe Rogan 5:00 It's a big fucking gun.

Colion Noir 5:01 Well, the gun itself was small-

Joe Rogan 5:02 Small but-

Colion Noir 5:03 ... but the caliber, exactly.

Joe Rogan 5:04 ... powerful.

Colion Noir 5:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:05 Lot of kick.

Colion Noir 5:05 Exactly. So, my experience, if anybody who watched that as a gun person would be like, "Oh, this is not gonna end well."

Joe Rogan 5:12 (laughs)

Colion Noir 5:12 (laughs) So... (laughs) So, I remember standing at the bay and then taking the gun and pointing it and shooting it. And I remember just this, the concussive force, the explosion with the gun dancing in my hand. And I was like, "Holy crap, that was terrifying." Then I shot it again. And I'm like, "I like this shit." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:37 (laughs)

Colion Noir 5:37 And, and, and the weird thing is it... And not in a way that most people think, the nerdy aspect of my brain kicked in.

Joe Rogan 5:42 Right.

Colion Noir 5:43 I'm like, "Holy crap, like, I'm taking this projectile and I'm launching it," right? Several feet, um, and then I just... 'Cause it... The second shot allowed me to realize what just happened. I just contained an explosion in my hand.

Joe Rogan 5:57 Right.

Colion Noir 5:58 I'm like, "If you don't find that amazing, you don't have a pulse."

Joe Rogan 6:02 It's amazing. The, the, the thing that people are bothered by is what comes with it and how people use it.

Colion Noir 6:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:09 And, um, I think an analogy that's a fair analogy but people reject is driving cars, and a lot of these fucking psychos that have been running over people in the street. I mean, it just happened again in Berlin.

Colion Noir 6:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:22 Or what... Somewhere, somewhere in Germany. Some guy ran a bunch of people over and then blew his brains out. It's, it's an object, right? It's a thing that you use.

Colion Noir 6:31 And I'm a huge car guy too, so-

Joe Rogan 6:32 I am as well. Yeah, I love cars. I mean, if someone said, "We have to ban cars because people started running people over with cars," I'd be like, "Well, okay." I think w- we're dealing with a whole bunch of problems. And there's, there's a bunch of things that I think we could probably agree on.

Colion Noir 6:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:48 One of the things we can agree on is all these mass shootings are horrific.

Colion Noir 6:52 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 6:52 They're terrifying.

Colion Noir 6:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:53 It's, it's a- an evil, terrible thing that... Here's another thing. No NRA members are doing that. That's one of the things that's really kind of fucked up about people getting angry at the NRA.

Colion Noir 7:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:06 We've never had a mass shooting, ever.

Colion Noir 7:08 I- I... Not that I can recall that was done by an NRA member, no.

Joe Rogan 7:11 I, I looked. I tried to find one.

Colion Noir 7:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:14 I can't find a mass shooting that was perpetrated by an NR- NRA member.

Colion Noir 7:18 And I think it's... (sighs) So, the biggest problem that a lot of gun owners, especially NRA members, have is pe-... Like, the conversation that's being had is basically coloring or actually forgetting the human element behind those three letters.

Joe Rogan 7:33 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 7:33 Like, the NRA isn't, like, this demigod that just sits in a cloud of Olympia, and it's just one big guy that's, that's orchestrating this entire thing.

Joe Rogan 7:41 Yeah.

Colion Noir 7:41 It's... You're talking five million people.

Joe Rogan 7:44 Yeah.

Colion Noir 7:44 Right? Like, I'm a, I'm, I'm a member. I am a gun owner, right? That, that's who I am. Uh, along with five million other people who are that way. And then there are a ton of other people who think they're NRA members and aren't, and then a ton of other people who probably don't mind being NRA members, they just haven't gotten around to doing it and getting their membership.

Joe Rogan 7:59 Yeah.

Colion Noir 8:00 Um, and the vast majority of those people, and I'm saying that just to be safe, they're good people.

Joe Rogan 8:06 I think there's quite a few good people. Um, the people that have perpetrated all these mass shootings are definitely not good people. But what's wrong with them? Well, I'll tell you what's not wrong with them: guns. It's not guns that are wrong with them.

Colion Noir 8:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:21 They use the guns to express what's wrong with them.

Colion Noir 8:24 Wrong.

Joe Rogan 8:24 You know? And everybody wants to look at the object, which I get.

Colion Noir 8:28 Well, it's easier.

Joe Rogan 8:29 I... Well, it is easier. And it's, it's some- something that everyone's pointing to. Like, why do you need an AR-15?

Colion Noir 8:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:34 Why do you need a this? Why do you need a that? It's... These are good questions. Why do you need these things? Why do I need that fucking samurai sword over there? I don't.

Colion Noir 8:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:42 You know? It's like, what do you need?

Colion Noir 8:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:43 Okay?

Colion Noir 8:44 And, and that's another thing too, though. Like, and I've said it before, I think we are a victim of our own success in this country. Right? I do think this is the greatest country in the world. But the problem with that is, is w- this country was built on an ideological foundation that I think it aids in that, our ability to be as great as we are. But we live in a world now where people don't see the necessity for something that was never predi- that was never supposed to be seen through the lens of necessity in the first place. The Second Amendment doesn't give me a right. It preserves something that already existed. But what happens is we have a culture of people who don't, who look at the Second Amendment as a privilege, not a right. They look at it as a privilege. So that's why they say, "Well, why do you need that? Well, why do you need more than 10 rounds? Why do you need this? Why do you need that?" And I'm like, first of all, we're framing the entire conversation under need when that's not what the Second Amendment is about. It's a right that I've already had. It's a natural right that I had the moment that I stepped foot on this Earth as a person. The right to self-defense is, is universal.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Yeah. And th- you know, when people say, "Okay, it's a right."

Colion Noir 9:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:48 "But obviously there's a problem, so we have to do something about it, so you're gonna have to give up your guns." This is, this is the common-

Colion Noir 9:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:54 ... conversation, and it's v- very flippant and it's not well thought out, and there's no cons- no consideration whatsoever to mental health issues.

Colion Noir 10:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:04 I think-

Colion Noir 10:04 Just don't think this is of service.

Joe Rogan 10:05 ... this is mar- ... I think that's the primary problem.

Colion Noir 10:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:08 I... That's... I've been saying this from the get-go. I think it's the primary problem. I think it's a mental health issue. And people say, "Oh, that's simplifying it." I don't think it is.

Colion Noir 10:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:16 I think it's the opposite. I think it's, it's ignored.

Colion Noir 10:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Look, it's a... There's something wrong when you have this many people on mental health medication, and then when you look at the number of mass shooters, it's almost universal. Almost every single one of them is on some sort of psychiatric medication. But that's not a part of the narrative.

Colion Noir 10:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:35 That's not a part of the conversation. The conversation is always, "Get rid of guns." Now, I don't want crazy people to have guns, and I don't think you do either.

Colion Noir 10:43 No, I don't.

Joe Rogan 10:44 So, outside of taking away the rights to have guns from normal, law-abiding people like yourself and myself, I have guns, what, what do we do?

Colion Noir 10:57 Okay. So, first of all, I think we need to frame the conversation in- into specifics, right?

Joe Rogan 11:02 You're a lawyer, right?

Colion Noir 11:03 I am.

Joe Rogan 11:03 Okay.

Colion Noir 11:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:04 So you understand-

Colion Noir 11:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:06 ... bills and amendments-

Colion Noir 11:07 Yep.

Joe Rogan 11:07 ... and law... Okay.

Colion Noir 11:08 Yeah. And so I think, one, we're lumping the entire conversation into one category, right? If we're gonna talk about school shootings, let's talk about school shootings.

Joe Rogan 11:17 Okay.

Colion Noir 11:18 Right? So first thing I say is, 'cause the first... One thing a lot of people on that side like to say is, "Well, you guys just don't want any, any gun laws, and you say no to everything, but you have no solutions."

Joe Rogan 11:28 Well, that's true, but, and, uh, to, to stand up for that, it's because all they want to do is take away the guns.

Colion Noir 11:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:35 They, they're saying, "Let's take away the guns." You're saying, "We're not gonna take away the guns. You guys just don't want to get your guns taken away."

Colion Noir 11:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:40 Yes. You're right.

Colion Noir 11:41 I know.

Joe Rogan 11:41 You're right. No one wants to get their guns taken away. But if you-

Colion Noir 11:43 And then I get labeled a monster-

Joe Rogan 11:44 Right.

Colion Noir 11:44 ... as a result of saying that.

Joe Rogan 11:45 Exactly. You want kids to die.

Colion Noir 11:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:47 And it's, it's a fucking real sneaky conversation.

Colion Noir 11:49 It's, it's disingenuous as hell.

Joe Rogan 11:50 Yes, it is.

Colion Noir 11:51 And, and that's, and that... The, the, uh, the odd thing about it is it's... You can... Anybody who's paying attention to discourse and the way it's happening, especially on social media, right? Anybody who follows my Twit- my, my Twitter account knows this. Multiple occasions, I've tried to have a rational conversation with people who are on the f-... complete opposite side of my spectrum of, of this issue.

Joe Rogan 12:13 Is there any of this online?

Colion Noir 12:14 And-

Joe Rogan 12:14 There, like, debates or anything like that?

Colion Noir 12:15 Well, no, I mean, it's just-

Joe Rogan 12:17 On Twitter.

Colion Noir 12:17 ... t- tweets going back and forth.

Joe Rogan 12:18 You can't do anything rational on Twitter. (laughs)

Colion Noir 12:20 You can't. You can't.

Joe Rogan 12:21 Occasionally, you can, and it's a goddamn miracle.

Colion Noir 12:22 Yeah, it is. It's... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:23 It's like the clouds part, people being friendly, like, "Whoa!"

Colion Noir 12:25 The funny thing is, you wanna see me flustered?

Joe Rogan 12:27 Yeah.

Colion Noir 12:28 Respond to me rationally when I'm- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:31 (laughs)

Colion Noir 12:31 ... when I'm talking to you. 'Cause I'm always, you know, I have this guard up, right?

Joe Rogan 12:33 Right, right, right. Right, of course.

Colion Noir 12:34 Um, and I actually have to check myself about that a little bit, because how am I any better than the people on the other side if I have the same, if I, I h- have the same energy-

Joe Rogan 12:42 Right.

Colion Noir 12:42 ... that they have towards me?

Joe Rogan 12:44 That's a very good point.

Colion Noir 12:44 And so I've started, you know what? Let me... 'Cause I can be incredibly snarky. Uh, y- uh, like, I, I can. Um, and it's partly due because of my friends. They're all assholes.

Joe Rogan 12:56 (laughs)

Colion Noir 12:56 They just are. (laughs) Like, all the friends I grew up with, I grew up arguing with a group of guys who, when they were losing it logically, they went to jokes.

Joe Rogan 13:05 Right.

Colion Noir 13:06 Right? And they-

Joe Rogan 13:06 Sounds like a man.

Colion Noir 13:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:07 Yeah.

Colion Noir 13:07 Pretty much, right?

Joe Rogan 13:08 Yeah.

Colion Noir 13:09 It took me a second to realize it, 'cause I was the one in law school, right? I was the one that was going to law school, pre-law, all that stuff. So everything I did was focused and centered through the idea of logic. Logic, logic. "You're not making any sense." And then I'll crack a joke, and then everyone's laughing. And I realized, there's some power to that, right? You know, humor. I mean, you should know something about that.

Joe Rogan 13:26 Yeah.

Colion Noir 13:26 Just a little bit.

Joe Rogan 13:27 For sure.

Colion Noir 13:27 Yeah. And so, I took on some of those qualities in the way that I advocate for firearms.

Joe Rogan 13:33 Hmm.

Colion Noir 13:34 You know? Because it can be a little disarming, but the disarming aspect of it could be beneficial because it causes people to drop their guard a little bit.

Joe Rogan 13:41 Right.

Colion Noir 13:41 And then, when you drop your guard, you can take in information more objectively, more so than waiting or looking for confirmation bias, or in- instigating your cognitive dissonance, because you just don't wanna hear the thing that con- that's contrary to what you already believe.

Joe Rogan 13:56 I just think you need a lot of character, like, as a person, to be able to communicate reasonably on Twitter.

Colion Noir 14:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:02 And there's a lot of people that are just lacking that. So it's almost like the ability to steal when no one's looking. The ability to shit on someone with no eye-to-eye contact-

Colion Noir 14:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:11 ... no social repercussions, no... You know, you're not feeling anything from that person. You say something rude to them and they're not in front of you-

Colion Noir 14:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:17 ... so you don't feel terrible saying it.

Colion Noir 14:19 Yeah. No, it's, it's... I'm not gonna lie. So, Twitter is a dirty place. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:26 It's a dirty place-

Colion Noir 14:27 I like it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:27 ... but it's a great place too sometimes.

Colion Noir 14:28 It is. It has its benefits, right?

Joe Rogan 14:30 Yeah. I think there's some really good conversations to be had on Twitter, and I've had r- really interesting moments on Twitter where I've learned a lot about things, where people have sent me links and I've retweeted them, and I've, I've learned a lot of things.

Colion Noir 14:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:43 But it's, it's hard sometimes, man, because there are so many people that are just unreasonable and they're not good at communicating, and they're not ha- they're not happy people.

Colion Noir 14:52 They're not, man.

Joe Rogan 14:53 And there's a lot of people out there that are just unhappy, man.

Colion Noir 14:55 It's-

Joe Rogan 14:56 You know?

Colion Noir 14:56 And to be honest with you, I didn't realize it until I got to the notoriety that I am now in the space that I'm in.

Joe Rogan 15:02 Well, you're in a weird space-

Colion Noir 15:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:03 ... because you're in the space of defending guns.

Colion Noir 15:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:06 You know?

Colion Noir 15:06 And I'm Black.

Joe Rogan 15:07 Yeah.

Colion Noir 15:08 And I'm relatively young.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Yeah. There's a lot going on there.

Colion Noir 15:11 And I wear a hat.

Joe Rogan 15:12 And you're a lawyer.

Colion Noir 15:13 And I we-... Well, they tend to-

Joe Rogan 15:14 Yeah.

Colion Noir 15:14 ... disregard that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:14 Well, they should probably pay attention. That's it.

Colion Noir 15:16 Well, it doesn't matter, because I have, I'm, I'm doing... I'm advocating also with certain three letters behind me-

Joe Rogan 15:23 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 15:23 ... that they automatically assume is the devil for-

Joe Rogan 15:25 Now, how does the NRA feel about you? Do you know? I mean, do you have conversations with them? Are they saying, "Good job"? Are they, are they pleased? Or...

Colion Noir 15:32 Oh, I mean, as far as I can tell, they are. I'm s-

Joe Rogan 15:34 Yeah.

Colion Noir 15:34 I mean, um, uh, we still have the relationship we have. It's, it's very much a very symbiotic relationship.

Joe Rogan 15:38 But it's a weird one right now-

Colion Noir 15:39 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 15:39 ... because it's like, this is what I hear from the NRA.

Colion Noir 15:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:42 I s- I hear "Colion" and then I hear Ted Nugent. (laughs)

Colion Noir 15:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:48 Those are, those are the two that I hear.

Colion Noir 15:50 Uh, I've, I, I, I gotta be honest, I'm not, I'm not the biggest fan of Ted, Ted Nugent's rhetoric. Um, but I do know where it's coming from. But then again, I didn't grow up listening to Ted Nugent.

Joe Rogan 16:00 Yeah.

Colion Noir 16:00 That, that's not my demograph. But, at the same time, Ted Nugent is still an individual, and people fail to understand that. Like, we, like, we may be monolithic on the, on the issue of firearms.

Joe Rogan 16:11 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 16:11 But we're not monolithic in the way we go about expressing that.

Joe Rogan 16:13 Well, he's right about things.

Colion Noir 16:15 Yeah, he is.

Joe Rogan 16:16 You know, just because someone's outrageous doesn't mean they're not right. Like, uh, have you ever seen his, uh, this, the debate that he had in a gun store with, uh, Piers Morgan?

Colion Noir 16:26 Yeah, no, the funny thing is, Ted Nugent's incredibly bright.

Joe Rogan 16:30 He's a smart guy.

Colion Noir 16:31 He's smart-

Joe Rogan 16:31 He's just crazy.

Colion Noir 16:31 ... as hell. I don't even think he's crazy.

Joe Rogan 16:33 I do.

Colion Noir 16:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:34 Listen, you can only, you can only kill so many things before you lose your fucking marbles. Ted lives on a fucking ranch in Texas-

Colion Noir 16:42 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 16:42 ... where it's all fenced in. He's just shooting all animals. He hunts every day. He's a psycho.

Colion Noir 16:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:47 And I don't... With all due respect, I'm a big fan of Stranglehold.

Colion Noir 16:50 So what ha- So how, what, what's, where's the line of demarcation between-

Joe Rogan 16:53 Well, he's outrageous, but it's part of-

Colion Noir 16:54 ... becoming, hunting too much and not hunting enough?

Joe Rogan 16:56 Well-

Colion Noir 16:56 In terms of becoming, crossing over that line into s- into sociopath?

Joe Rogan 17:00 Well, uh, I'm just joking about that-

Colion Noir 17:01 I know, I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 17:01 ... 'cause I'm a hunter.

Colion Noir 17:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:02 I mean, it really depends entirely upon what he's doing with the meat. And I know he gives it to Hunters for the Hungry. I know he gives it to neighbors and, and friends. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Colion Noir 17:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:12 And he as- he actually has, uh, um, he has an obligation to be the steward of his land, because he has a lot of exotics and stuff on his... I'm just totally joking around.

Colion Noir 17:22 Oh, no, I know. I know.

Joe Rogan 17:23 But when you, um, when, like, you listen to his conversation with Piers Morgan, which Piers Morgan takes that flippant, left-wing, knee-jerk reactionary-

Colion Noir 17:33 Egregiously arrogant.

Joe Rogan 17:34 ... you know, "We have to ban guns." Yeah, he's a cunt.

Colion Noir 17:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:36 And when he's-

Colion Noir 17:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:37 When he's on with Ted, Ted just knew everything about the actual facts. When you start running around with statistics of gun violence-

Colion Noir 17:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:45 ... he's like, "Do you know how many of those people were bad guys that were shot by cops?"

Colion Noir 17:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:50 "Do you know how many of those people were people that were shot when they were breaking into people's homes? Do you know how many of those people were people that were killed in self-defense?"

Colion Noir 17:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:56 There's a lot.

Colion Noir 17:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:57 It's not, "And do you know how many of those people, when you s- talk about gun bombs, how many of those people were suicides?"

Colion Noir 18:01 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:02 There's a lot.

Colion Noir 18:02 Keep in mind, that's recent.

Joe Rogan 18:04 ... suicide.

Colion Noir 18:04 Well, no. So here's what happened. So when I started getting really deep into the advocacy component of it, the, everyone was screaming, "30,000 people a day die from gun violence. 30,000 people a day." That's what they were running with, right?

Joe Rogan 18:18 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 18:18 And they were scaring all the suburban house moms. "Oh my gosh, we gotta do something about gun control. We gotta do something about guns." Um, so I, I, I jumped into the pool and I, I, I d- I just like, "Something doesn't seem right about that figure," right? And I'm not saying I'm the one who put this out there.

Joe Rogan 18:31 What did you think was wrong about it?

Colion Noir 18:32 It seemed inflated. It seemed inflated. I don't know what it was, is on a subconscious level, or maybe-

Joe Rogan 18:39 To a lot of people.

Colion Noir 18:39 Or maybe it was me looking for a confirmation bias, right?

Joe Rogan 18:41 Mm-hmm. Right.

Colion Noir 18:41 Because I, I felt the way I did about firearms. I'll be honest and say that.

Joe Rogan 18:44 Right.

Colion Noir 18:45 And so what I did is I kind of researched a little more and I realized, holy shi- over 65% of that 30,000 is suicides. 65%.

Joe Rogan 18:54 Is that real?

Colion Noir 18:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:55 Jesus Christ. So what is that, like 18,000 people-

Colion Noir 18:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:58 ... a day shoot themselves?

Colion Noir 19:00 Man, like-

Joe Rogan 19:01 Something crazy like that?

Colion Noir 19:01 But what did we say at the top of the show? Man, people are miserable, man.

Joe Rogan 19:04 That's a fucking crazy number though, man. That's a, a Kevin Hart concert.

Colion Noir 19:08 Yeah, pretty much. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:09 All together. "Good night everybody." Blam.

Colion Noir 19:13 Well-

Joe Rogan 19:13 That's really what it is, 18,000 people. That, that's fucking incredible.

Colion Noir 19:17 So then it, but then it begs the question that you, you brought up before, the mental health aspect.

Joe Rogan 19:21 Yeah.

Colion Noir 19:22 How much, how much, how many lives would we actually save if we took the same energy we apply to just making guns evil and trying to ban guns, and to take that energy and put it towards understanding what it is, w- why as a society we have a society that is so eager to really not wanna be here anymore.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Hm.

Colion Noir 19:43 Expand that a little bit more because we have all the guns in the universe here in America, right? Compared to any other country. But yet, our suicide rates should be exceedingly higher than all the other countries that don't have as many guns. But it's not the case, right? You look at the UK, you look at Japan. Japan has double our suicide rate.

Joe Rogan 20:02 Does it really?

Colion Noir 20:03 Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:04 Double?

Colion Noir 20:04 Yeah. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 20:05 Wow, so 60,000 people a day in Japan or whatever the fuck?

Narrator 20:08 It's per year probably.

Joe Rogan 20:09 Smaller.

Narrator 20:10 Not every day. It's every year.

Colion Noir 20:11 Yeah, per, yeah, per year.

Joe Rogan 20:11 Oh, okay.

Colion Noir 20:12 Annual.

Joe Rogan 20:12 Per year.

Narrator 20:12 123.

Joe Rogan 20:13 What'd I say, a day?

Colion Noir 20:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:15 (laughs) Right. So-

Colion Noir 20:15 There you go complaining numbers again.

Joe Rogan 20:16 Sorry, I fucked up. (laughs)

Colion Noir 20:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:18 Did I say a day earlier or did I say a year earlier? A day.

Narrator 20:21 A day.

Colion Noir 20:21 Yeah, yeah, 'cause y- oh.

Joe Rogan 20:22 Oh, okay.

Colion Noir 20:22 Some are-

Joe Rogan 20:23 30,000.

Colion Noir 20:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:24 Yeah, what did I say, a day. 30,000 a year doesn't sound that bad. There's 300 million people.

Colion Noir 20:30 Oh, yeah. So you would, you would think about it predicated on, on a daily basis.

Joe Rogan 20:33 No sh-

Colion Noir 20:33 No, no, no, no. Annually. Annually, 300,000 people.

Joe Rogan 20:34 I don't know why I thought that.

Colion Noir 20:35 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:36 But that doesn't make any sense. Why would I think that?

Narrator 20:38 I think he might have said it on accident too.

Colion Noir 20:40 Oh, really? Did I?

Narrator 20:40 It's okay, yeah.

Colion Noir 20:41 Oh, okay.

Narrator 20:42 I can rewind.

Colion Noir 20:43 We got- 30, 30,000-

Joe Rogan 20:43 Okay, rewind.

Colion Noir 20:44 Yeah, 30,000 people-

Joe Rogan 20:45 30,000 a year.

Colion Noir 20:45 Th- that's from gun violence.

Joe Rogan 20:47 That seems-

Colion Noir 20:47 They call it gun violence, right?

Joe Rogan 20:48 Gun violence.

Colion Noir 20:48 Right. But in reality, you break those numbers down, remember context is everything.

Joe Rogan 20:51 65% was suicides.

Colion Noir 20:52 65% of those are suicides.

Joe Rogan 20:53 Okay.

Colion Noir 20:53 And about 5% of those are, um, are, goddammit, I think justified homicides, including times when cops shoot someone in self-defense and it's justified.

Joe Rogan 21:03 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 21:04 Right?

Joe Rogan 21:04 Okay.

Colion Noir 21:04 And self-defense shootings, so forth and so on.

Joe Rogan 21:06 Do they count times when cops really shouldn't have shot somebody but did-

Colion Noir 21:10 I'm pretty-

Joe Rogan 21:10 ... and got away with it?

Colion Noir 21:10 ... I'm pretty sure they do.

Joe Rogan 21:12 Yeah.

Colion Noir 21:12 Yeah. I'm pretty sure they do. But even then, that number would be ex- exceedingly marginal comparatively.

Joe Rogan 21:17 Right. Right.

Colion Noir 21:18 So then you have the remaining number, which are, and then you have like three to five, uh, no, I think it was 15% are justified. Three to 5% are accidents.

Joe Rogan 21:28 Three to 5%'s a lot.

Colion Noir 21:30 Yeah, no, it's 900 people, 900 people a year.

Joe Rogan 21:32 (sighs)

Colion Noir 21:32 Right? So, and I tweeted this. I said, again, "If we focused on firearm safety education, we could, that number would drop in half."

Joe Rogan 21:46 It might.

Colion Noir 21:47 But-

Joe Rogan 21:47 But you're not gonna, you're not gonna fix the, the intelligence level of the humans-

Colion Noir 21:52 See, this-

Joe Rogan 21:52 ... that are fucking around with guns.

Colion Noir 21:53 That's where you underestimate the fact, under- underestimate how those people are dying ac- accidentally.

Joe Rogan 21:57 Okay.

Colion Noir 21:57 Because there are a lot of people who don't understand basic gun safety, right?

Joe Rogan 22:02 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 22:02 Within that 900.

Joe Rogan 22:03 Right.

Colion Noir 22:03 It's a lot of them. Um, when you see some of the accidents that happens with firearms, they're easily mitigated by just simply knowing the four rules of firearm ownership. And when you get into the gun community, like as a whole-

Joe Rogan 22:15 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 22:15 ... like when you follow that rabbit into the ... Like we are, we're crazy about gun safety. You, you, you put your finger on a trigger in a picture, we're slaughtering you.

Joe Rogan 22:24 Yeah.

Colion Noir 22:24 Not literally, but you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 22:25 I know what you're saying. Yeah.

Colion Noir 22:26 Yeah, like we're gonna hold you accountable.

Joe Rogan 22:27 Like, I have a friend who has so many guns, he doesn't know how many guns he has.

Colion Noir 22:30 I, I-

Joe Rogan 22:30 I said, "How many guns you have, man?"

Colion Noir 22:32 I don't know how many guns I have.

Joe Rogan 22:32 My friend Justin.

Colion Noir 22:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:33 I know you're listening. He's a, he's a legit gun nut.

Colion Noir 22:36 I-

Joe Rogan 22:37 And, and great guy.

Colion Noir 22:38 Yeah. And, and I don't know how many guns I have either, right?

Joe Rogan 22:41 Fucking crazy person.

Colion Noir 22:42 I mean, hell. I mean, I guess so.

Joe Rogan 22:44 (laughs)

Colion Noir 22:45 (laughs) I mean, but I, but then again, I didn't shoot my first gun till, what, like 23, 24?

Joe Rogan 22:48 Right. Yeah. T- so-

Colion Noir 22:50 So then did I just become crazy all of a sudden?

Joe Rogan 22:52 I think I was about the same age.

Colion Noir 22:54 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 22:54 Well, I think I shot one when I was real young and I definitely shot one in camp when I was like, I guess I was probably 12.

Colion Noir 23:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:02 But it, that, I didn't count that. Uh, I shot my first handgun when I first came to California. And I might have been-

Colion Noir 23:08 Really?

Joe Rogan 23:09 Yeah.

Colion Noir 23:09 How ironic. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:10 Yeah. Well, what's ironic is, it's way easier to get a gun here than it is in New York. I lived in New York. It's fucking hard to get a handgun in New York. Almost impossible.

Colion Noir 23:19 Woo.

Joe Rogan 23:19 And in here it was easy.

Colion Noir 23:21 Legally you mean?

Joe Rogan 23:21 Yeah, legally.

Colion Noir 23:22 Oh, legally. Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:23 Yeah.

Colion Noir 23:23 I thought you talking about-

Joe Rogan 23:23 Well, yeah.

Colion Noir 23:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:24 I mean, illegally.

Colion Noir 23:25 Yeah, 'cause... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:26 No, I mean, um, when I came here, it was, uh, 1994.

Colion Noir 23:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:32 I guess maybe '93, '94, I bought a gun. And I was like, "I can't believe I can just buy a gun."

Colion Noir 23:36 You remember what you bought?

Joe Rogan 23:37 They just did a check. Yeah, yeah. I bought a, um, I bought a 38 Special. I bought a Walther PPK.

Colion Noir 23:44 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:44 And I bought a Glock nine millimeter.

Colion Noir 23:46 All right, man of good taste.

Joe Rogan 23:47 (laughs)

Colion Noir 23:48 Man of good taste. I'm a, I'm a fan of those. I'm a fan of the PPK as well.

Joe Rogan 23:51 Yeah, it's a cute little gun.

Colion Noir 23:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:53 But when I first came to California, I'd heard all this crazy shit about drive-by shootings and gang violence. I just thought it was just gonna be a fucking war zone out here, you know?

Colion Noir 24:00 I mean, but, but the funny thing about it is, it's, your natural disposition was, "I need something to protect myself."

Joe Rogan 24:05 Yes.

Colion Noir 24:06 It's such a natural thought process.

Joe Rogan 24:07 It is.

Colion Noir 24:08 I don't know why we've perverted it to this deal where it's like, something has to be wrong with you if you, you have that mentality or that mindset.

Joe Rogan 24:13 Well, there's a lot of people that haven't experienced real violence, you know.

Colion Noir 24:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:17 And...... if you've s- experienced real violence and you've seen what happens when you have a, a terrible person around people that aren't terrible-

Colion Noir 24:26 That's for sure.

Joe Rogan 24:27 ... there's, that's a reality that people don't like to face and they don't like to look at the other side of the coin. Like, whenever there's an instance where there's an, a shooter and the, the shooter gets taken out-

Colion Noir 24:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:37 ... by someone who's a, a trained, uh, a person who's trained with firearms-

Colion Noir 24:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:41 ... and, and knows tactics, nobody wants to talk about that. That just gets brushed off. They don't, they don't, it's, there's not a balanced conversation to be had.

Colion Noir 24:49 There isn't. The f- an interesting thing is like, uh, I have a group, I have a group chat, um, when stuff like that does happen, they write it off as just anomalies, right?

Joe Rogan 24:57 How is that an anomaly? That's what, exactly what it's supposed to be used for.

Colion Noir 24:59 (laughs) Right. But again, like I said, confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance-

Joe Rogan 25:04 Yeah.

Colion Noir 25:04 ... are, are, is a bitch.

Joe Rogan 25:05 Right.

Colion Noir 25:05 And we all suffer from it, right, to an extent.

Joe Rogan 25:07 For sure.

Colion Noir 25:08 Um, but when you add in the component of fear, right? For a lot of people, they don't necessarily hate guns, they just are scared of them.

Joe Rogan 25:14 They hate the consequences-

Colion Noir 25:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:15 ... of being shot-

Colion Noir 25:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:16 ... or someone they love being shot.

Colion Noir 25:17 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 25:18 Yeah.

Colion Noir 25:18 And, and one other thing about it is, though, you know, those people never put themselves in the position of being the shooter.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Right.

Colion Noir 25:24 They always put themselves in the position of being the victim of a shooting. So that's why you get, "Well, why do you need that?" Because they don't see it as, "Okay, this allows me to better defend myself."

Joe Rogan 25:34 Right.

Colion Noir 25:34 They look at it from the perspective of, "Well, if you're able to have that, then you might use that against me."

Joe Rogan 25:40 There's that.

Colion Noir 25:41 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 25:41 And, you know, there's also the sp- the looming specter of the mass shooter, it's just so fucking common these days. It seems like-

Colion Noir 25:48 It's not, though.

Joe Rogan 25:48 ... every three or four months there's a new instance.

Colion Noir 25:52 How many times does this happen?

Joe Rogan 25:53 Percep- perception is a bitch.

Colion Noir 25:55 Okay.

Joe Rogan 25:55 So-

Colion Noir 25:55 But the reality is, the, the absolute reality is, they have happened.

Joe Rogan 25:59 They have.

Colion Noir 26:00 They are horrific.

Joe Rogan 26:01 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 26:01 And there's more of them here than anywhere else in the world. (sighs) That's reality. But here's-

Joe Rogan 26:09 Hold on, hold on.

Colion Noir 26:09 ... here, here's another interesting reality. Here's, here's ge- hold on, hold it thought real quick. Go ahead. Go ahead. So when you say that you're talking about the developed world, correct? You're, because that's usually the caveat they like to put on it.

Joe Rogan 26:17 Well, there's no mass shootings in the undeveloped world. Just people don't just go into a fucking mall and shoot people up. What's, what's interesting is-

Colion Noir 26:24 They don't?

Joe Rogan 26:25 ... it's ve- very rare. The, where the people-

Colion Noir 26:26 Uh, I think it happens more than people realize and it just doesn't get-

Joe Rogan 26:29 And you just doesn't get reported? You don't think it's reported? Really?

Colion Noir 26:30 It just doesn't get reported. Think about it. How many people die in Chicago on a weekend, over a weekend, that doesn't get reported?

Joe Rogan 26:34 That's true. But that-

Colion Noir 26:35 And we live in America where we have-

Joe Rogan 26:37 That's true.

Colion Noir 26:37 ... complete access to information. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:38 That is true, but it's a different kind of violence because it's people that are actively trying to get people that are actively trying to get them, it's gang violence.

Colion Noir 26:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:46 Whereas school shootings-

Colion Noir 26:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:48 ... are complete innocent. School shootings are the worst, right? Because it's a child and some fucking psycho decides to make the most noise possible by going into a school and shooting it up.

Colion Noir 26:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:57 That's the scariest and the worst for most people.

Colion Noir 27:00 For most people.

Joe Rogan 27:00 But when you think about gang violence, you say, "Well, that's violence. It's terrible that people got shot, but it's people that are trying to shoot each other."

Colion Noir 27:07 All right, so then when I tell you that the remaining homicides in this country, right? Uh, that 30,000 number that I gave you annually.

Joe Rogan 27:15 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 27:15 Over 80% of that is gang violence.

Joe Rogan 27:18 That's crazy too.

Colion Noir 27:19 Think about that.

Joe Rogan 27:19 I believe it.

Colion Noir 27:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:20 No, I, I, but I believe you, um, but it's when you see Sandy Hook, when you see Parkland-

Colion Noir 27:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:25 ... when you see any... that's the shooting in Colorado, Aurora-

Colion Noir 27:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:28 ... in the movie theater, when you see these mass shootings, these are what terrify people.

Colion Noir 27:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:33 People are not necessarily terrified of the gang violence in Chicago.

Colion Noir 27:37 Well-

Joe Rogan 27:37 You know, I'm going to Chicago, uh, in a couple of months-

Colion Noir 27:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:39 ... and not one fucking person has brought up, "Hey man, that place is a war zone." Everybody's like, "Oh, I love Chicago. You gonna get deep dish pizza?" Like, nobody gives a fuck.

Colion Noir 27:46 Well, that's 'cause you're white.

Joe Rogan 27:46 Is that what it is?

Colion Noir 27:47 Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 27:49 (laughs) They know I'm not going to the South Side.

Colion Noir 27:50 Dude, dude, you see? That's the thing. I just went to Chicago. I was just in Chicago before I was here.

Joe Rogan 27:54 And they were like, "Were you locked and loaded? Did you wear a vest?"

Colion Noir 27:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:57 (laughs)

Colion Noir 27:57 I'm dead serious. I got all those questions. When I said I was going to Chicago, those were the first things people told me.

Joe Rogan 28:03 (laughs) Oh.

Colion Noir 28:03 Now, granted, I did go to South Side, I did film in South Side.

Joe Rogan 28:05 Did you?

Colion Noir 28:05 Yeah, we did.

Joe Rogan 28:06 Were you, were you nervous when you were walking around?

Colion Noir 28:08 Uh, hell yeah, I was nervous. I'm not Superman, man. Like-

Joe Rogan 28:10 So when you're walking around, are you strapped?

Colion Noir 28:11 Uh, not in Chicago because it's illegal for me to be.

Joe Rogan 28:14 That's what's crazy is that Chicago has really strict-

Colion Noir 28:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 ... gun laws.

Colion Noir 28:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 And that, they don't work at all.

Colion Noir 28:19 I was driving down a road where there were like six, seven, eight dudes who jumped in front of the car when we were driving by 'cause we didn't look like we belonged there, and I'm positive every single one of them had a gun.

Joe Rogan 28:30 They jumped in front of the car?

Colion Noir 28:31 Well, they didn't j- like, lob their bodies in front of the car, but, you know, you dri- you see a car that's unfamiliar driving down a side street-

Joe Rogan 28:38 So they tried to stop you?

Colion Noir 28:39 Uh, they didn't try to stop me, I think they were trying to figure out who the hell we were.

Joe Rogan 28:41 They just got a better look at you.

Colion Noir 28:42 Or, or they were just trying to serve us.

Joe Rogan 28:44 Oh.

Colion Noir 28:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Yeah.

Colion Noir 28:45 So it's kind of one of those things.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Right.

Colion Noir 28:47 But then again, when you're driving around, when you're driving down a side street in South Side Chicago with GoPros on the car. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:53 Yeah. Oh, that's true too.

Colion Noir 28:54 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:54 Right, right.

Colion Noir 28:55 So you kind of have that...

Joe Rogan 28:56 Um, so we all agree-

Colion Noir 28:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:00 ... that gun violence, especially in terms of mass shootings, is one of the biggest problems that we have in terms of like a horrific public image problem, right? It's a, it's, it's something that you see in the, in every... uh, when I, when I say public image, I should, what I should-

Colion Noir 29:14 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 29:14 ... I should re- re-phrase that. What I mean is, like public perception problem. Like, you, you see it and it's just death and violence and children and innocents, and we as, as people, I think, consider the death of innocents to be-

Colion Noir 29:31 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 29:31 ... one of the most egregious and horrific deaths.

Colion Noir 29:33 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 29:33 So I think we both agree on that, right?

Colion Noir 29:34 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 29:35 So, so that's 100% across the board, I think, with ev- any decent person, these mass shootings are horrific.

Colion Noir 29:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:42 I think s- the, in my opinion, the, the, the number one aspect of the argument that's not being discussed is the mental health aspect of it.

Colion Noir 29:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Are you opposed to more screening of people to get guns?

Colion Noir 29:56 Yes and no.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Yes and no?

Colion Noir 29:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:58 Okay.

Colion Noir 29:59 Yes, in that in an ideal world, if we could minority report it and figure it out, who's-

Joe Rogan 30:03 I don't mean minority report, I mean just like check to see if they're on menta- mental health medication.

Colion Noir 30:07 But I mean, we, we currently ha- well see, here's the thing, there's a slippery slope with that too.

Joe Rogan 30:11 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 30:11 So what, what constitutes somebody being on mental health medication that's prohibitive?

Joe Rogan 30:15 Right.

Colion Noir 30:15 What if I, what if I deal with anxiety if I'm on Xans?... prescribed.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 30:20 Does that prevent me from owning a firearm?

Joe Rogan 30:21 It's a good question. In California, for the longest time, they were trying to make it if you had a medical marijuana card-

Colion Noir 30:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:27 ... you couldn't own a firearm. I think they were doing that federally. I think tha- that was a federal thing, that if you had a legal medical marijuana card, that they were trying to prevent people... They were trying to prevent people from... They were trying to-

Colion Noir 30:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:38 ... they were trying to cripple the medical marijuana-

Colion Noir 30:40 It's a fact. Got you.

Joe Rogan 30:40 ... industry, because they knew that people wanted guns.

Colion Noir 30:42 'Cause, 'cause to be honest, it's, it's intellectually dishonest. If I can, if I can go to the store with a gun on me and buy alcohol-

Joe Rogan 30:50 Right.

Colion Noir 30:51 ... like, and you know me, I'm not-

Joe Rogan 30:51 Right.

Colion Noir 30:51 ... I don't even smoke.

Joe Rogan 30:53 Right.

Colion Noir 30:53 Right? But l- let's just be honest about it, like, alcohol, weed. I mean, I, I think u- utilizing that as a prohibitive means to own a firearm-

Joe Rogan 31:02 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 31:02 ... I think is, I think is-

Joe Rogan 31:04 That is true. But if you were under the influence, some of the shit I got in this studio-

Colion Noir 31:09 Well, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 31:10 ... and then you'd be super paranoid-

Colion Noir 31:11 Well, here's the thing-

Joe Rogan 31:12 ... pulling onto a gun.

Colion Noir 31:12 ... I didn't say, I didn't say under the influence.

Joe Rogan 31:15 Right.

Colion Noir 31:15 I said if I... 'Cause all the, all the marijuana card does is allow you to buy it.

Joe Rogan 31:18 No, 100%.

Colion Noir 31:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:19 But I'm saying, that is an issue-

Colion Noir 31:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:20 ... if you're under the influence and you have a gun.

Colion Noir 31:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:23 Right?

Colion Noir 31:23 Yeah. But I'm allowed to... Uh, but I have... You can go to my house right now, I have all types of whiskeys at home.

Joe Rogan 31:27 Right.

Colion Noir 31:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:28 Yeah. But, but if you're under the influence, right?

Colion Noir 31:30 Yeah. But yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 31:31 But if anything-

Colion Noir 31:31 So I can't, I can't carry a firearm and then be drunk.

Joe Rogan 31:34 Right, right. You can't... You shouldn't be drunk with a gun. You shouldn't be high as fuck with a gun.

Colion Noir 31:38 Shouldn't.

Joe Rogan 31:38 Neither one of those are good ideas.

Colion Noir 31:40 Shouldn't. A- and nor should you be driving.

Joe Rogan 31:41 Right, nor should you be driving. So, should you be on Xanax with a gun? That's the question. I don't know the answer too, because I've never had Xanax.

Colion Noir 31:48 Exactly. Me neither.

Joe Rogan 31:49 I don't know what it's like-

Colion Noir 31:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:50 ... but I do know that, um, there's been people that have killed people when they're on Xanax.

Colion Noir 31:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:55 And, uh, you know, that guy in Vegas, this, the shooter in Vegas, that guy was on an, uh, anti-anxiety medication.

Colion Noir 32:01 I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 32:02 Um, Chris Cornell was on anti-medica- anti-anxiety medication when he killed himself.

Colion Noir 32:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:07 Um, look, it's got a profound effect on some individuals and it's not-

Colion Noir 32:11 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 32:11 ... and it's not uniform. The way it affects you, it might affect Jamie different.

Colion Noir 32:15 It's not for everyone. Totally different, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:16 Yeah. It's just di- it's a different thing.

Colion Noir 32:17 I mean, I know, I know tons of people who are on it.

Joe Rogan 32:19 Yeah, I do as well.

Colion Noir 32:20 And they, yeah, and they, they respond... Like you said, they respond to it differently.

Joe Rogan 32:23 Yeah. Yeah.

Colion Noir 32:24 Um...

Joe Rogan 32:24 And I know tons of people who are on it, who also drink while they're on it, which you're not supposed to do.

Colion Noir 32:28 Supposed not to do. Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 32:29 Yeah. And that, that's not good either.

Colion Noir 32:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:32 Um, so screening?

Colion Noir 32:34 It's with the, with the screening component, right, you gotta be careful, because what it then does is it's like, it becomes a de facto way of preventing people to own firearms arbitrarily.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Right.

Colion Noir 32:43 Right? So, it's like, "Oh, well, you have anxiety." Or even, even somebody who's maybe dealing with PTSD, you know?

Joe Rogan 32:48 Right.

Colion Noir 32:49 Not everybody dealing with PTSD is a, is a potential, murderous, r- ravenous-

Joe Rogan 32:52 100%.

Colion Noir 32:53 ... evil person who's just gonna go out and kill people. Um, so with the screening component, that's why I say yes or no, all right?

Joe Rogan 32:58 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 32:59 If you can find a way, if you can find a way to establish a scr- a mental screening... Uh, but even then, no, because there's a, there's a, there's a due process aspect to it as well, all right? So, you can't prevent me from owning... You can't prevent me from exercising a right if I haven't done something to absolve myself from being able to do that legally. Right?

Joe Rogan 33:19 Okay.

Colion Noir 33:19 So-

Joe Rogan 33:19 But what if they come to your house and you've got... Let's say, you've got like, a cork board up and you got all these pictures of schools and fucking arrows pointing to the emergency exits and plans of how to block things off and then pictures of Jodie Foster and pictures of, uh, serial killers up everywhere.

Colion Noir 33:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:40 And you're on anti-anxiety medication, the cops talk to you and you're fucking squirrelly as hell. You haven't done anything though.

Colion Noir 33:46 Yeah. Arrest me then. If you can't arrest me-

Joe Rogan 33:49 How do they arrest you?

Colion Noir 33:49 ... you can't... If you can't arrest me for, for a crime-

Joe Rogan 33:52 Right.

Colion Noir 33:52 ... or possibly attempting it, 'cause like, like, you know, like, the legal standards are like taking substantial act-

Joe Rogan 33:57 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 33:57 ... to commit a crime. Even though you don't do it, that's attempted, right?

Joe Rogan 34:00 Did you hear about the kid that got kicked out of school? Um, what, what was the school? He was an Asian kid, dyed his hair blonde, started collecting bullets. Got a semi-automatic rifle. His friends started freaking out.

Colion Noir 34:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:12 They called the cops. Cops came to visit him, he bought another rifle.

Colion Noir 34:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:16 And I believe they deported him.

Colion Noir 34:18 They deported him for reasons not having to do with the firearms though.

Joe Rogan 34:20 They deported him for reasons that he wasn't actually going to school anymore.

Colion Noir 34:24 Actually going to class and he was on a green card or visa, I believe.

Joe Rogan 34:26 But the way the sheriffs were framing it-

Colion Noir 34:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:28 ... was they deported him 'cause they wanted this fucking psycho out of the country and they think that they might have prevented a crime.

Colion Noir 34:33 They probably did but-

Joe Rogan 34:35 Might have. Right?

Colion Noir 34:35 ... they still had to, they still had to establish a legal basis for deporting him.

Joe Rogan 34:38 But they did... All they had was that he didn't go to class.

Colion Noir 34:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:41 I mean, tha- that's something you've done, I've done.

Colion Noir 34:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:44 Yeah. I mean, everybody's-

Colion Noir 34:45 But, but then again, he wasn't a citizen.

Joe Rogan 34:47 Right.

Colion Noir 34:47 So, and that was, that was the-

Joe Rogan 34:48 Right.

Colion Noir 34:48 ... that was a requirement for him to continue to be here.

Joe Rogan 34:50 Yeah.

Colion Noir 34:50 Um...

Joe Rogan 34:51 But it was really-

Colion Noir 34:52 It was kinda like how they got like, Al Capone. You know, they got Al Capone by tax evasion.

Joe Rogan 34:55 Right.

Colion Noir 34:55 By way of the... You know?

Joe Rogan 34:56 Right, right, right. But he really had guns and was acting crazy. And that's why the kids that were friends with him called and that's why they acted and they just found that loophole.

Colion Noir 35:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:09 So, what do you do with someone like that? Other than, I mean, this guy-

Colion Noir 35:12 That's a-

Joe Rogan 35:12 ... we had something.

Colion Noir 35:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:13 What if this kid was still going in school?

Colion Noir 35:15 I mean, it'd, it'd be (sighs) it'd be pretty bad.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Yeah.

Colion Noir 35:18 But-

Joe Rogan 35:18 Pretty bad.

Colion Noir 35:19 But, but then again, we still-

Narrator 35:20 (coughs)

Colion Noir 35:20 ... we still have our laws for a reason, right?

Joe Rogan 35:23 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 35:23 We have, we have our inherent rights for a reason. We have due process for a reason. Because if we didn't have those, right, anyone could just come up and say, "Man, you know what? I saw, I saw Kalle on the War on Instagram the other day. He posted a picture of a gun. Then he was like, cursing people out, because they're making fun of him. The water he was drinking. And so, you know what? Somebody needs to go check on him and make sure he's okay."

Joe Rogan 35:44 Right.

Colion Noir 35:44 "And somebody needs to go and take his guns away from him."

Joe Rogan 35:46 Right.

Colion Noir 35:46 You've got to... There's got to be due process.

Joe Rogan 35:49 I, I appreciate that.

Colion Noir 35:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:50 And I agree with you.

Colion Noir 35:51 And, and it's, it's unfortunate in that (sighs) some people may slip through the cracks. But, but I can't arrest someone for something that they haven't done yet.

Joe Rogan 36:02 Right.

Colion Noir 36:02 You just, you just can't.

Joe Rogan 36:04 Well, I agree.

Colion Noir 36:04 And so, that's where we are right now. So then-

Narrator 36:06 (coughs)

Colion Noir 36:06 So then that... Now, we're getting to the complexities, the hard-

Joe Rogan 36:09 Yeah.

Colion Noir 36:09 ... the hard questions, right? What do we do? How do we put something in place to catch the people who do happen to fall between the cracks? Right?

Joe Rogan 36:17 Right.

Colion Noir 36:17 So, then you go, "Okay, well-"

Joe Rogan 36:18 Try, try to keep this-

Colion Noir 36:18 Oh, sorry.

Joe Rogan 36:19 Sorry.

Colion Noir 36:19 Yeah. I, I move a lot. I don't know if you've seen my videos.

Joe Rogan 36:21 No, that's all right. No worries.

Colion Noir 36:21 I'm like, yeah... Uh, I'm like Hydra. (laughs) ... um.

Joe Rogan 36:25 The complexities.

Colion Noir 36:26 Yeah. It's, it's a very complex issue, which is why we're not, largely not having it, or having it here, because no one wants to have this conversation on a national scene because it's hard, and it doesn't make for great sound bite, and it doesn't make for good TV.

Joe Rogan 36:39 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 36:40 Right?

Joe Rogan 36:40 Yeah.

Colion Noir 36:40 Because s- I- that's why I hate doing cable news hits-

Joe Rogan 36:43 Yeah.

Colion Noir 36:43 ... because I have two minutes to-

Joe Rogan 36:44 (coughs)

Colion Noir 36:45 ... to basically deduce an, a complex issue that we've been debating for decades, almost centuries. And-

Joe Rogan 36:50 It's the worst. And it's also people talking over each other. And there's one, you know, they have two boxes, one guy here, one guy there.

Colion Noir 36:56 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 36:56 Usually you're not even in the same room together.

Colion Noir 36:58 No, no.

Joe Rogan 36:58 You're talking through those earpieces. There's a delay.

Colion Noir 37:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Those things are a disaster.

Colion Noir 37:02 They're horrible!

Joe Rogan 37:03 It's one of the worst ways to communicate.

Colion Noir 37:04 Horrible. Which is why I tried to establish my platform with my show, Noir.

Joe Rogan 37:07 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 37:08 I try to have it as a platform that's open to people to come on, "Hey, look, you wanna come on and discuss this issue? By all means, come do it."

Joe Rogan 37:14 Have you had anyone-

Colion Noir 37:15 And-

Joe Rogan 37:15 ... that's s- that, that's like, really strict anti-gun-

Colion Noir 37:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:19 ... on?

Colion Noir 37:20 Yeah. I had a, I had an entire season... So what we did in the season, I think it was two seasons ago, um, we brought on, uh, it was a, a young lady and a guy from, New Zealand? I can't remember. But he came on the show. They were anti.

Joe Rogan 37:34 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 37:34 And so what we did was he had a round table discussion at the end of every episode of my show, and we would bring up a specific topic, and we'd discuss it. And so they would... and basically it was like two against one, essentially.

Joe Rogan 37:43 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 37:44 And so they would talk to me about what their thoughts on, on, wh- what we talked about in the show, or a particular gun control issue, and we had that conversation. I had an individualized sit-down with her as well, and we talked about it. And then took her to the shooting range to shoot for the first time.

Joe Rogan 37:57 Hmm.

Colion Noir 37:58 You know? Um, but that's going to be overlooked.

Joe Rogan 38:01 Right.

Colion Noir 38:01 They don't... they ignore it.

Joe Rogan 38:02 Well, they probably aren't even aware of it, 'cause I wasn't aware of it.

Colion Noir 38:05 Um, no, they're aware of it.

Joe Rogan 38:06 You think so?

Colion Noir 38:07 The people who need to be aware of it are aware of it.

Joe Rogan 38:08 Okay.

Colion Noir 38:09 Because, like for instance, uh, I, I bring this point up, um... And, and, and it makes me come across as if, like, I feel some type of way 'cause he didn't mention me, but it's not really that. It just speaks volumes to the, what I've been pointing at for the longest. They ignore rational discourse. John Oliver did a 20-minute monologue on NRA TV about NRA TV. Right? 20 minutes.

Joe Rogan 38:30 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 38:31 You know how long a 20-minute monologue is.

Joe Rogan 38:33 Oh, I guess.

Colion Noir 38:33 That's a long time.

Joe Rogan 38:33 That's pretty long. Yeah.

Colion Noir 38:34 Yeah. He didn't mention me once. He didn't mention my show. I have three shows on NRA TV. Three shows. And I have the second-longer, longest-running show on NRA TV. He didn't mention me once. The level of detail that they went into within that monologue lets me know they watched everything on that platform.

Joe Rogan 38:51 Okay.

Colion Noir 38:52 They watched it all.

Joe Rogan 38:53 W- why do you think he left you out?

Colion Noir 38:54 Because it didn't fit the narrative.

Joe Rogan 38:56 Right. Also, 'cause he is a progressive guy with glasses-

Colion Noir 39:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:02 ... who's white, and he really shouldn't s- you really shouldn't say anything negative about Black people.

Colion Noir 39:07 How so? He's not... but he's not white, though.

Joe Rogan 39:09 (laughs)

Colion Noir 39:09 He's a minority just like me.

Joe Rogan 39:10 What is he?

Colion Noir 39:11 He's... I don't know. He's like, uh, I don't know-

Joe Rogan 39:13 John Oliver? He's white as fuck.

Colion Noir 39:14 John Oliver's not white.

Joe Rogan 39:15 What is he, then?

Colion Noir 39:16 Is John Oliver white?

Joe Rogan 39:17 If he's not white, I'm not white.

Colion Noir 39:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:19 What the fuck is he?

Colion Noir 39:20 What, what are you, what are you, like, Italian-

Joe Rogan 39:20 Mostly Italian?

Colion Noir 39:22 ... and, uh-

Joe Rogan 39:22 Irish? Little bit Irish?

Colion Noir 39:23 Irish. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:23 Yeah. Am I white? If I'm not, what the fuck is?

Colion Noir 39:26 If I saw you on the street, you are.

Joe Rogan 39:27 (laughs)

Colion Noir 39:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:29 In the olden days I wasn't.

Colion Noir 39:31 Which is true.

Joe Rogan 39:31 My grandparents weren't white.

Colion Noir 39:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:32 But when my grandparents came over, "That guy's white as fuck, bro."

Colion Noir 39:34 Is John Oliver white?

Joe Rogan 39:35 He's white like paper. Look at him.

Colion Noir 39:37 Tell me... Is he?

Joe Rogan 39:37 Yeah.

Colion Noir 39:38 Oh, shit. I'm wrong. Well, there you go. Um-

Joe Rogan 39:40 What did you think he was?

Colion Noir 39:41 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 39:42 (clears throat)

Colion Noir 39:43 I never thought about it.

Joe Rogan 39:43 Are you getting him confused with The Daily Show guy?

Colion Noir 39:45 I probably am.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Trevor Noah?

Colion Noir 39:46 Y- no, not Trevor. I know about, I know about Trevor. Damn, you're right.

Joe Rogan 39:50 He, uh, yeah, he's white as fuck.

Colion Noir 39:52 Damn.

Joe Rogan 39:52 He's a white Englishman.

Colion Noir 39:53 Man, I'm racist.

Joe Rogan 39:54 (laughs)

Colion Noir 39:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:56 Um, but for a guy like that, guys like that have, they've... Here's the thing about progressives. And I like John Oliver.

Colion Noir 40:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:02 I'm not, I'm not negative against John Oliver. But also, I do think he's doing a show.

Colion Noir 40:04 Now, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say this. I have, I had this perspective up until this point.

Joe Rogan 40:09 Uh-huh.

Colion Noir 40:09 So I'm gonna shut off, I'm gonna shut off my belief system-

Joe Rogan 40:12 Okay.

Colion Noir 40:12 ... and listen to you, and listen to what you're about to say. Because I hadn't thought about this.

Joe Rogan 40:15 Yeah.

Colion Noir 40:16 'Cause I thought he wasn't white his entire time.

Joe Rogan 40:18 Oh, okay.

Colion Noir 40:18 So, so yeah, so now I'm by himself.

Joe Rogan 40:19 He's white as fuck.

Colion Noir 40:20 All right.

Joe Rogan 40:21 Um, I mean, it might not even bo- be why he did it.

Colion Noir 40:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:24 He might have found the worst examples, and maybe you were too reasonable, and it doesn't fit the narrative of it being funny. I mean, his show, although his show has points-

Colion Noir 40:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:33 ... and he makes these very, you know, these clear conclusions, and, you know... But it's funny. It's a funny show.

Colion Noir 40:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:40 That's the whole thing behind it, is that it's fu-

Colion Noir 40:42 But any, any girl who's dated me knows... Like, I have enough episodes on, on, on, on that platform, you could find some stuff to make fun of me about.

Joe Rogan 40:50 Well, I'm sure they could, but I don't think that's the kind of thing they're trying to make fun of. Like, individual personalities that say stupid shit. I think what they're trying to do-

Colion Noir 40:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:58 ... is point out the disingenuous narrative from the NRA while ignoring the disingenuous narrative from the anti-gun advocates.

Colion Noir 41:09 Okay. I could possibly see that. I'm trying, I'm trying to be fair and reasonable.

Joe Rogan 41:16 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 41:17 'Cause my mind wants to go, "Nah. He saw s- he s- he realized that by mentioning me."

Joe Rogan 41:21 Right.

Colion Noir 41:22 It's gonna, it's going to pique curiosity-

Joe Rogan 41:23 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 41:24 ... with the audience in which he's trying to-

Joe Rogan 41:25 So you think that you're-

Colion Noir 41:26 ... he's trying to speak to.

Joe Rogan 41:26 ... too reasonable and too logical, and that since you're not like this redneck, hee-haw type character that like to talk about you, it doesn't fit their narrative, so let's just ignore him-

Colion Noir 41:36 Yeah, because-

Joe Rogan 41:37 ... and concentrate on the dummies.

Colion Noir 41:38 Think about it, like-

Joe Rogan 41:39 Right, but the dummies are still real, though, right? But there are some real-

Colion Noir 41:42 Yeah, but there's, they have dummies on, they have dummies on all sides.

Joe Rogan 41:43 That's true.

Colion Noir 41:43 Right?

Joe Rogan 41:43 That's true. But it's pretty easy to find, like, pro-gun dummies. You can find quite a few of them.

Colion Noir 41:49 I can f- pretty easy to find dummies on the other side as well, too. I had to do-

Joe Rogan 41:53 For sure.

Colion Noir 41:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:53 But you wouldn't be looking if you were on that side. Right?

Colion Noir 41:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:56 If you're on the anti-gun side, you're-

Colion Noir 41:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:58 ... looking for pro-gun dummies. Pro-gun dummies.

Colion Noir 42:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:01 Pro-gun dummies are easy to find.

Colion Noir 42:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:03 They are, right? There's plenty of them right now. You can go fucking find 'em on Instagram and Twitter, and there's, there's dummies all over the world.

Colion Noir 42:11 But see, here's the thing, though. The, the thing about what John Oliver does, and then... and this, the thing, this is the kind of disingenuous nature of satire, right?

Joe Rogan 42:18 Okay.

Colion Noir 42:19 Political satire, it... I call it the, the, uh, the comedian plausible deniability card, right?

Joe Rogan 42:25 Okay.

Colion Noir 42:25 So, you can make a joke about something, and then say, "Oh, it has no influence 'cause it's just a joke."It's not. You're-

Joe Rogan 42:32 But he's not saying that, is he? He's not saying-

Colion Noir 42:33 Well-

Joe Rogan 42:33 ... it doesn't have an influence.

Colion Noir 42:34 What ... Exactly. He understands the influence it wields. But he's, but he's saying ... But he can, he can always swipe the plausible deniability card and say, "Well, no, I wasn't making an actual political statement. Like, I know that there are reasonable people on the other side." No. You're pushing a narrative that has been pushed for decades about an organization that fights for the Second Amendment. The same, the same, the same narrative that's being pushed by groups of people who say the only thing standing in their way of more gun control is the NRA. So, what do you do? So, where does the NRA get its power from? Because they, they, they ... The talk out of both sides of their mouth. The NRA gets their power from their ... By ... Their, uh ... Sorry. The NRA gets their power by their membership.

Joe Rogan 43:11 Right.

Colion Noir 43:12 Right? So, what do you do? You s- ... You do your best to stifle that membership. You make it seem as unattractive as possible. And then you also ... Your audience is already largely uneducated on the issue. Right?

Joe Rogan 43:24 Right.

Colion Noir 43:24 And then there's already this perceived notion that the NRA is just a bunch of racist white rednecks.

Joe Rogan 43:29 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 43:29 Right? So then w- ... Then what do you do to further that narrative? You talk about their platform, and then you pull out all of those things that further drive that narrative while ignoring the mo- most popular figure on the platform.

Joe Rogan 43:41 Which is you.

Colion Noir 43:42 Which is me, and so ... Who so happens to be Black. So, what does that say? It tells me that this is ... That it was deliberate. I'm ... I really do want to agree with you and, and say, you know what? He's white. He didn't want to be seen as attacking the Black guy-

Joe Rogan 43:55 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 43:55 ... so forth and so on.

Joe Rogan 43:56 I think there's a little of that-

Colion Noir 43:57 But-

Joe Rogan 43:57 ... but I think there's also, he's doing a show.

Colion Noir 44:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:00 Now, let, let me, let me sh- ... Explain how a show works. He's got a team of writers.

Colion Noir 44:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:04 There's a ton of people back there.

Colion Noir 44:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:06 They are just trying to be funny. They are trying to make points, for sure, but they're trying to find stupid shit that they can mock.

Colion Noir 44:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:12 And why would they concentrate on the guy who makes sense if they're looking for stupid shit that they can mock? They're not trying to make a balanced, reasonable argument like maybe we would do right here, right now.

Colion Noir 44:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:20 What they're doing is doing a condensed, edited-down, very smooth, polished television show where that rant has been dissected and gone over by a team of writers, and they have video that corresponds to it and photographs that they shoot, go to. And, and they have clips that they show and then they mock the clips. It's a c- ... It's a comedy show.

Colion Noir 44:38 I absolutely-

Joe Rogan 44:38 They do have a point, but it's a comedy show.

Colion Noir 44:40 Absolutely agree with you.

Joe Rogan 44:41 So, that's why they didn't go after you-

Colion Noir 44:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:43 ... is because maybe you're a lawyer, maybe you're articulate-

Colion Noir 44:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:46 Maybe y- ... It is because you're young and Black and they just don't feel like it's a smart thing to do.

Colion Noir 44:52 No, I-

Joe Rogan 44:52 But it's because they're making a show.

Colion Noir 44:53 I agree with you. Now let me tell you why my panties are in a ruffle about it.

Joe Rogan 44:56 Okay.

Colion Noir 44:56 It's because I understand the influence of that show-

Joe Rogan 44:59 Right.

Colion Noir 44:59 ... when people make political decisions.

Joe Rogan 45:00 But don't you think it's preaching to the choir, that show?

Colion Noir 45:02 What do you mean, that one?

Joe Rogan 45:03 That show, yeah. John Oliver's show, I think. If I had to guess how many people who are watching that show are l- left-wing leaning-

Colion Noir 45:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:10 ... uh, Democratic-leaning-

Colion Noir 45:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:12 ... Liberal-leaning, I would say it's a giant percentage.

Colion Noir 45:15 Here's the problem, though. The number of people who come to me and say, "I don't, I don't deal with the NRA because they're racist, and they're a bunch of white rednecks."

Joe Rogan 45:25 Who says that?

Colion Noir 45:26 Oh, God, I get it all the time.

Joe Rogan 45:28 Well, uh-

Colion Noir 45:28 I get it all the time.

Joe Rogan 45:28 What is the evidence that they point to? They just assume-

Colion Noir 45:30 They point to-

Joe Rogan 45:31 ... that they're racist?

Colion Noir 45:31 They ... Yeah. They ... That's the ... That's just it.

Joe Rogan 45:33 Yeah.

Colion Noir 45:34 'Cause in their at- ... In their attempts to just make a show, right?

Joe Rogan 45:37 Uh-huh.

Colion Noir 45:37 And I agree with you wholeheartedly. I absolutely agree with you. But we can't undermine how influential that show is at crafting people's thoughts about particular issues-

Joe Rogan 45:47 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 45:47 ... and ideologies within this country.

Joe Rogan 45:48 Right.

Colion Noir 45:49 Right? And so, I stand back and I'm like, man, this is dangerous. Because to me, the Second Amendment is incredibly important. Right? I don't ... D- do you know what the funny thing is? I thought the monologue was hilarious. The monologue-

Joe Rogan 45:59 He's a funny dude.

Colion Noir 46:00 The monologue. Eh.

Joe Rogan 46:01 (laughs)

Colion Noir 46:01 The monologue was hilarious. I'll, I'll give ... I'll give him the monologue. The monologue was ... The monologue was funny.

Joe Rogan 46:06 Well, then, then isn't he a funny dude-

Colion Noir 46:07 But-

Joe Rogan 46:07 ... because he said that funny monologue?

Colion Noir 46:08 He was a- ... He was a funny dude during that 20-minute monologue.

Joe Rogan 46:11 Um-

Colion Noir 46:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:11 Sometimes he's not. You're very, uh-

Colion Noir 46:12 You gotta demonstrate that you-

Joe Rogan 46:13 ... comba- combative.

Colion Noir 46:13 You gotta ... No, you gotta demonstrate consistency.

Joe Rogan 46:15 Okay. Consistency.

Colion Noir 46:15 You gotta give me consistency.

Joe Rogan 46:16 Okay.

Colion Noir 46:16 You give me some consistency, I'll let you drop the ball a couple times here and there.

Joe Rogan 46:19 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 46:19 That's fine.

Joe Rogan 46:20 Okay.

Colion Noir 46:21 Uh, but as far as consistency-

Joe Rogan 46:22 It's a tough job-

Colion Noir 46:23 Not-

Joe Rogan 46:23 ... that John Oliver guy. He's got a tough job.

Colion Noir 46:24 Ah, I think it's in- ... I think it's incredibly tough. I think, I think comedians don't get enough credit-

Joe Rogan 46:29 I'm not sure-

Colion Noir 46:30 ... uh, for how tough-

Joe Rogan 46:30 ... he's even a real comedian.

Colion Noir 46:31 Uh, I mean, well-

Joe Rogan 46:32 What do you mean? Is he a standup? Does John Oliver do standup?

Colion Noir 46:34 Is that ... Is that ... Is that the barometer for being a g- ... Comedian at standup?

Joe Rogan 46:37 For us.

Colion Noir 46:37 Okay.

Joe Rogan 46:38 Yeah. There's ... It's a big ... There's a big difference.

Colion Noir 46:40 I ... T- t- ... Standup, to me, terrifies me. The thought of ever having to g- ... Like, keep in mind, I'll get in front of a million people and talk all day long. But the thought of standup? See, I get to cloak some of my humor in seriousness.

Joe Rogan 46:51 Right.

Colion Noir 46:51 Right? So it's easier, right? I can do-

Joe Rogan 46:53 Yeah.

Colion Noir 46:53 ... little stuff here and there, and they're like, "Oh, he's kind of funny." Well, no, it's only 'cause it's contrasting against something that's serious and you don't expect the humor.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Do you remember the way-

Colion Noir 46:59 But-

Joe Rogan 46:59 ... you felt before you walked into that shooting range and those guns were going off, and you're like, "Holy shit, it's really happening"?

Colion Noir 47:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Now, think about how you feel now-

Colion Noir 47:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:08 ... where you walk into the range like ... I go to the range.

Colion Noir 47:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:11 I go to the range all the time, you know, especially when I was rifle hunting. I would go to the range, pfff, at least once a month.

Colion Noir 47:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:16 And, you know, got used to it. You go, you hear the bang, bang, bang. You put your fucking headphones on.

Colion Noir 47:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:21 You just w- ... Walk up, you say hi to everybody that you see there all the time. Everybody's super polite at the range.

Colion Noir 47:27 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:27 That's one thing, man.

Colion Noir 47:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:28 People are polite as fuck at the range because everybody around you has the ability to kill you. They're just not. Everybody around you, especially when ... Uh, I mean, I was in the rifle section. I've got a .300 Win Mag. I'll blow a fucking hole in the side-

Colion Noir 47:43 (laughs) Do you shoot that indoor or outdoors?

Joe Rogan 47:44 Outdoors.

Colion Noir 47:45 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:45 Outdoors.

Colion Noir 47:46 Oh, I thought it was like

Narrator 47:47 (laughs) Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 47:47 I mean, Jesus Chri- ... That's a goddamn cannon.

Colion Noir 47:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:49 You know? And everybody around you has got one of these things, too.

Colion Noir 47:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:51 Everybody can kill everybody, and everybody's like-

Colion Noir 47:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:53 ... "Hey, man. How you doing? What's up?"

Colion Noir 47:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:54 "How's everybody doing?" Everybody's super friendly. Everybody's shaking hands.

Colion Noir 47:57 There's a mutual respect there.

Joe Rogan 47:58 It's a ... But it's interesting. That's an interesting ... I mean, that's a w- ... That's a weird, uh, statement that gets thrown about a lot of times-

Colion Noir 48:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:04 ... that a well-armed society is a polite society.

Colion Noir 48:07 Let me ... There were two times in my life where I felt vehemently insecure. The first time I carried a gun out of my house and my first MMA class.

Joe Rogan 48:16 Oh, yeah.

Colion Noir 48:18 Right?

Joe Rogan 48:18 That makes sense. But look, what I was gonna say is, when you go to the gun range a bunch of times, then it becomes normal.

Colion Noir 48:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:25 Becomes life. That's what standup is.

Colion Noir 48:27 Gotcha.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Same thing. I mean, you still-

Colion Noir 48:30 You can take-

Joe Rogan 48:30 ... can eat plates of dicks on stage on occasion-

Colion Noir 48:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:32 ... and it can go south, and it's terrible. It's one of the worst feelings ever.

Colion Noir 48:35 So, your, your bit about Texas-... fucking dead on and hilarious.

Joe Rogan 48:39 Oh, were you there? You, you-

Colion Noir 48:40 No. I just saw it.

Joe Rogan 48:41 Which, which bit about Texas?

Colion Noir 48:42 I saw it online.

Joe Rogan 48:43 Which bit?

Colion Noir 48:43 Where you basically (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 48:44 About Buc-ee's or about-

Colion Noir 48:45 No.

Joe Rogan 48:45 Oh, the lions.

Colion Noir 48:47 A- a- n- ... Yeah, about the l-

Joe Rogan 48:47 About the tigers, people that keep the tigers in the yard?

Colion Noir 48:48 About the people that keep the tigers in the yard. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:49 That shit's true.

Colion Noir 48:50 And basically, and you basically talking about, "We need these people." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:54 Yes. (laughs) If shit goes south, we're not fighting wars with people from Santa Monica.

Colion Noir 48:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:59 That is true, man. The people who have never been to Texas do not understand. That is the America of America.

Colion Noir 49:05 We don't play.

Joe Rogan 49:05 No. Texas doesn't play.

Colion Noir 49:07 We do not play. We are the most arrogant son of bitches on the planet.

Joe Rogan 49:08 It's also, like, what ... When people think of America, like overseas, they think of, like these fucking crazy people with guns that have jacked up trucks, that are driving too fast. The girls have big tits. The guys are fucking crazy.

Colion Noir 49:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:21 That's what we think of. That's Texas.

Colion Noir 49:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Like, that's not America-

Colion Noir 49:25 Now, now-

Joe Rogan 49:26 ... uh, as a whole. It's Texas-

Colion Noir 49:27 This-

Joe Rogan 49:27 ... is the most exaggerated form of it.

Colion Noir 49:29 (laughs) Texas houses the most exaggerated form of this.

Joe Rogan 49:32 Yes.

Colion Noir 49:32 But-

Joe Rogan 49:32 Well, there's a lot of cool people in Texas.

Colion Noir 49:33 Yeah. Texas is way more diverse, people give it credit for it.

Joe Rogan 49:35 Some of my best friends live in-

Colion Noir 49:35 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:36 ... Austin, which is like super left-leaning.

Colion Noir 49:38 A- a- um, Austin is like California in Texas. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:41 Just a little bit.

Colion Noir 49:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:42 But I, I think it's a little cooler and smaller. But, uh, it's the, the thing I said about, uh, about Texas that's true is there's more tigers in captivity in Texas-

Colion Noir 49:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:52 ... than there are in all of the wild of the world. More tigers in private collections.

Colion Noir 49:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:59 That's fucking true. And when I read that, I was like, "Oh my God, I have to figure out a way to make this funny."

Colion Noir 50:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:04 Because it's, it's the craziest fucking statistic I've ever heard in my life. In te- people's yards.

Colion Noir 50:09 I'm not gonna lie to you. I grew up, uh ... I grew up my entire life in Texas wanting a cheetah.

Joe Rogan 50:13 (laughs)

Colion Noir 50:14 (laughs) Like, I'm not bullshitting you.

Joe Rogan 50:15 A fucking cheetah?

Colion Noir 50:16 I want a cheetah, dude.

Joe Rogan 50:16 Why would you want a cheetah?

Colion Noir 50:17 They're nu- ... And, um, they're beautiful, man.

Joe Rogan 50:19 They are beautiful.

Colion Noir 50:19 They're beautiful, man. The way ... And just watching. The funny thing is I'd get a cheetah and put it in the ... and put it in a yard no bigger than this room and then expect to see the beauty of it running.

Joe Rogan 50:26 Right.

Colion Noir 50:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:27 Well, you know what's also fucked up?

Colion Noir 50:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:29 I don't think you're allowed to like just feed them animals. I don't think you're allowed-

Colion Noir 50:32 You're not?

Joe Rogan 50:32 ... to just let loose a goat and have a ... have the cheetah tackle the goat and fuck it up. I think you have to feed them meat. You know?

Colion Noir 50:40 What do you mean? Like, like already killed and processed and-

Joe Rogan 50:42 Yeah, I don't think you're allowed to have some-

Colion Noir 50:43 ... stuff like that?

Joe Rogan 50:43 ... Wild Kingdom shit go down in your yard. I don't think they allow that.

Colion Noir 50:47 I don't know. You did say we only have three pages of laws, so ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Colion Noir 50:52 If it's not in those three pages-

Joe Rogan 50:53 But see, no one's saying, no one said, shit about tigers. Order it up, dude.

Colion Noir 50:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:56 Order it up.

Colion Noir 50:57 You know, you know, the funny thing about it is, when I got into firearms, um ... 'Cause I lived in Texas my whole life and I went, what, 23 years without ever shooting a gun, touching a gun.

Joe Rogan 51:05 Right.

Colion Noir 51:05 Um, and when I got into it, I started s- ... The first thing I wanted to do was shoot competition.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Right.

Colion Noir 51:09 And so, when you shoot competition, you know-

Joe Rogan 51:12 You need ... Uh, do you do those competitions like John Wick style where you go through ... Bang, bang, bang.

Colion Noir 51:16 Uh ...

Joe Rogan 51:16 Everything pops up. Bang, bang, bang.

Colion Noir 51:17 Yeah. Three-gun. They call that three-gun.

Joe Rogan 51:19 Three-gun.

Colion Noir 51:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:19 How's the, what is it?

Colion Noir 51:20 So basically three-gun consists of three different platf- three different platforms, a rifle, shotgun, and a handgun.

Joe Rogan 51:26 So how does this competition work?

Colion Noir 51:27 So basically they just set up ... It's a, it's basically set up various courses where, um, you have to utilize one of those three platforms. Some of the courses you utilize all three. And so it's just, it's just ... And then you're set to a timer. You gotta clear the course as, as fast as possible.

Joe Rogan 51:41 Oh.

Colion Noir 51:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:42 And the clearing the course, is, are you, uh-

Colion Noir 51:44 Sure.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Is there like walls that you have to look behind or-

Colion Noir 51:46 Oh, yeah. No, you, you're ... It's only limited by your imagination.

Joe Rogan 51:50 Did you ever see that shit where Keanu Reeves was preparing for John Wick 2?

Colion Noir 51:53 Yeah, I was there.

Joe Rogan 51:53 You see that video? Oh, you were there?

Colion Noir 51:54 Well, I was ... Okay, so I was there not for that particular video that went viral, but I was there, um, one day when he was training. And so I met him after the fact.

Joe Rogan 52:03 How is he?

Colion Noir 52:04 Um, different. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:09 (laughs) How is he different?

Colion Noir 52:10 He's, um, uh, spacey.

Joe Rogan 52:15 Spacey?

Colion Noir 52:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:16 Interesting.

Colion Noir 52:17 But not in a bad way.

Joe Rogan 52:18 Okay.

Colion Noir 52:18 Just a very, very calm energy.

Joe Rogan 52:20 Yeah.

Colion Noir 52:21 Um ...

Joe Rogan 52:21 You know why?

Colion Noir 52:22 Why?

Joe Rogan 52:22 That's how he handles being that famous.

Colion Noir 52:24 Gotcha. And this, I just-

Joe Rogan 52:26 He, he just shuts off.

Colion Noir 52:26 I picked up on it immediately.

Joe Rogan 52:28 Yeah.

Colion Noir 52:28 Um, and it wasn't-

Joe Rogan 52:30 That dude.

Colion Noir 52:30 It wasn't bad. It was a ... It wasn't a bad thing. It was a good thing. Um ...

Joe Rogan 52:32 You gotta realize, he's the Matrix guy.

Colion Noir 52:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:35 That's some over the top fame. He hit that Johnny Depp, Tom Cruise level of fame, and then just became this super chill, mellow guy that can just like go through crowds.

Colion Noir 52:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:46 That guy goes ... Sits on the subway by himself. No, like-

Colion Noir 52:50 That's freaking awesome.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Yeah, but there's no obvious outward displays of wealth from him.

Colion Noir 52:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:54 I mean, he's insanely wealthy.

Colion Noir 52:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:56 But when you see him, he's dressed like me.

Colion Noir 52:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:58 He's got like a regular watch on and sneakers. He's normal as fuck, man.

Colion Noir 53:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:02 It's, it's real weird. Like he-

Colion Noir 53:04 It's ...

Joe Rogan 53:04 ... he's figured out a way to avoid ... Like there he is right there, on the fucking subway, just chilling. You know? And he looks like a totally normal dude.

Colion Noir 53:13 (laughs) Yeah. He looks like fucking me. Uh, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:15 Yeah. Well, and people freak out. They're like, "Is that ... No. Can't be." Like people ignore him because he's figured out a way to just sort of blend in.

Colion Noir 53:22 Just disappear in plain sight.

Joe Rogan 53:24 And then even if you talk to him, he's just normal. Like everybody that I know that's met him said the dude's like totally ... Look at this. He lets his chick sit down, you know? He says, "Do you wanna sit down?" "Go ahead." Boom. And he just stands up. Look at ... I mean, even the way he's dr- ... He's not ... No bodyguards.

Colion Noir 53:37 You know what's interesting about his demeanor? And h- how like he doesn't have this sense of entitlement. And I'm, I'm re- bringing it back.

Joe Rogan 53:44 Humble.

Colion Noir 53:44 Bringing it back to the gun thing a little bit.

Joe Rogan 53:45 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 53:47 The first time, uh, I carried a gun, um ... Remember, I told you there was two of the most, the times where I felt more insecure was my first day in mm- MMA, and carrying a gun for the first time. But carrying that gun for the first time made me realize, holy shit, I'm not the only one. Right?

Joe Rogan 54:02 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 54:02 So it actually humbled me, in, from the standpoint that knowing that you don't know who you're dealing with. And when you carry a firearm on you, you have the ability to go from zero to 100 like that. And so you develop a respect for that. Also, you start to develop a respect for life as well.

Joe Rogan 54:19 Right.

Colion Noir 54:20 Because you understand how fragile. You start to realize how fragile it is.

Joe Rogan 54:22 Right.

Colion Noir 54:23 And so for me, I actually became more docile. Like I don't get road rage.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Right.

Colion Noir 54:29 Because, because I understand and because I live in Texas. We don't do that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:33 Yeah.

Colion Noir 54:34 Like ...

Joe Rogan 54:34 Smart.

Colion Noir 54:34 No, it's not. Um, but I also know that like there's so much responsibility that comes with carrying a firearm. It's un- ... It's unreal.Um, and so for people who go out of the means to learn to do it and be able to do it, like, there's a certain level of respect you have to have for it, because it, it comes with a lot. There's certain places you can't go, certain things you can't do, things you have to be cognizant of. Like, so I started... I actually started staying away from certain places because I knew I had a gun on me, and I never wanna have to be put in a situation I actually have to go for it.

Joe Rogan 55:03 Now, do you wear a gun all the time?

Colion Noir 55:05 W- l- w- eh, w- if I can do it legally, I am.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Really?

Colion Noir 55:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:08 And w- what is the idea behind that? Is that, like, it's better to have it and not to need it than to need it and not to have it?

Colion Noir 55:14 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:15 Yeah.

Colion Noir 55:15 It's, it's, and it's no different... I, it's literally just a part of my routine. Watch, w- watch, keys, phone, wallet, gun.

Joe Rogan 55:21 One in the chamber, or no?

Colion Noir 55:23 One in the chamber.

Joe Rogan 55:23 Always?

Colion Noir 55:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:24 Safety on?

Colion Noir 55:25 Um.

Joe Rogan 55:25 One in the chamber?

Colion Noir 55:26 Mm, the gun I usually carry doesn't... They don't have external safeties. It's just, I, I carry it in a holster. So if you carry it in a holster, it shouldn't be an issue.

Joe Rogan 55:34 Wow.

Colion Noir 55:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:36 That's interesting.

Colion Noir 55:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:36 So you just wanna be really, really ready.

Colion Noir 55:39 Yeah. Well, see, here's-

Joe Rogan 55:39 And you don't wanna have to ch- ch...

Colion Noir 55:41 No. And see, here's the thing. That's, that, that's progressive. Like, I wasn't always like that.

Joe Rogan 55:45 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 55:45 I started off not carrying with one in the chamber.

Joe Rogan 55:47 What, when did you start putting one in the chamber?

Colion Noir 55:49 When I started understanding and trusting the mechanics of a firearm. Because when I started carrying, I knew about guns. I didn't trust the mechanics.

Joe Rogan 55:56 Right.

Colion Noir 55:57 Right?

Joe Rogan 55:57 So you j- that extra step-

Colion Noir 55:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:59 ... you don't feel like is necessary, of, like...

Colion Noir 56:02 No. What do you mean? In terms of, like, having to rack the gun?

Joe Rogan 56:04 That extra step. Yeah.

Colion Noir 56:05 I, well, I understand the... I understand... So I started doing training, right? And I started training with the guns in self-defense and stuff like that, and I started realizing, you know... So the gun isn't, isn't an end-all, be-all, right? It's just a tool that I carry with me that could possibly save my life. I could-

Joe Rogan 56:23 Right.

Colion Noir 56:23 ... still die with a gun on me.

Joe Rogan 56:24 For sure.

Colion Noir 56:24 Right? Um, but I'd started weighing the disadvantages and the advantages of having one in the chamber, right? I might find myself in a situation where, you know what? I have time to... okay, I'm gonna behind here, and I have time to rack it and do what I need to do.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 56:40 There may be other times where I won't. But if I already have a round in the chamber, those times where I will have the time and not have the time won't make a difference, because there's already one in the chamber ready to go.

Joe Rogan 56:51 Yeah.

Colion Noir 56:52 So from that perspective, um, as I got more comfortable with the gun and realized, holy crap, the gun never just went off on its own... because there was inherent fear there, right? It's like, you don't want the gun to go off while it's in your pants.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Do you have, like, one of them Kydex holsters-

Colion Noir 57:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:04 ... that's form-fitted to the gun?

Colion Noir 57:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:06 Okay.

Colion Noir 57:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:06 Yeah.

Colion Noir 57:06 I have tons of hol-... I have a l-... box full of holsters.

Joe Rogan 57:08 I'm sure you do.

Colion Noir 57:09 Yeah, 'cause I review guns and review-

Joe Rogan 57:10 Right.

Colion Noir 57:10 ... gear and stuff.

Joe Rogan 57:11 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 57:11 So I'm constantly switching, which is a gift and a curse.

Joe Rogan 57:13 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 57:14 Because, you know, I never perfect any platform, but I can... you put any... pretty much any gun in my hand, I can use it decently.

Joe Rogan 57:20 Right. Now, when things happen-

Colion Noir 57:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:22 ... whenever there's a mass shooting or something, th- immediately people wanna blame gun owners or people that wanna protect gun owners, and specifically NRA members.

Colion Noir 57:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:33 This comes down on you sometimes.

Colion Noir 57:34 This always comes down... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:36 It does, right?

Colion Noir 57:37 Yeah (laughs) . Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:37 Like, they point to you.

Colion Noir 57:38 Because, because I'm-

Joe Rogan 57:38 You're the problem.

Colion Noir 57:39 It comes down on me.

Joe Rogan 57:40 You, the people that want guns.

Colion Noir 57:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:41 And the people that don't want regulations and don't want, you know, additional screening.

Colion Noir 57:46 Well, yeah, because it's... you gotta think about it. So, like, the figureheads, when you, when you start talking about Wayne and, and so f-... they're... people go after them clearly, right?

Joe Rogan 57:54 Right.

Colion Noir 57:54 But then also you have the personalities of the brand, which is me, Dana, um, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 58:00 Dana Loesch.

Colion Noir 58:01 Yeah, Dana Loesch, right? She's an official spokesperson, right?

Joe Rogan 58:04 She's a very nice lady.

Colion Noir 58:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:04 I met her.

Colion Noir 58:05 Exactly. And then you have Ca-

Joe Rogan 58:06 I've been on her show.

Colion Noir 58:06 And then you have Cam Edwards.

Joe Rogan 58:07 (coughs) Been on his show as well.

Colion Noir 58:08 Uh, exactly.

Joe Rogan 58:09 Yeah.

Colion Noir 58:09 And so what ha-... what tends to happen is I get it a lot via social because that's how I built my brand.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Mm-hmm.

Colion Noir 58:15 Right? I built my brand through social. And so most people will... when they can't dissent... Like, I don't think Wayne LaPierre has a, a Twitter page (laughs) you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 58:24 Right.

Colion Noir 58:24 He doesn't have an Instagram account.

Joe Rogan 58:26 Right.

Colion Noir 58:26 So-

Joe Rogan 58:26 He's probably in a bunker somewhere.

Colion Noir 58:28 Nah. No, he's not.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Fucking counting ammo.

Colion Noir 58:30 (laughs) He's m-... he's more normal than you realize.

Joe Rogan 58:33 (laughs) I believe you.

Colion Noir 58:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:34 I believe you. Um, well, you're-

Colion Noir 58:36 But-

Joe Rogan 58:36 What you are is a, an interesting version of the NRA. It's like-

Colion Noir 58:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:40 ... "Oh, this is the NRA too."

Colion Noir 58:43 Mm-hmm. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 58:43 Like, this is a kind of a new thing.

Colion Noir 58:44 It's multifaceted. Like-

Joe Rogan 58:45 Yeah.

Colion Noir 58:46 ... if any... I dare anyone to go to the NRA annual meetings. And then if you can. I don't know how secluded it is. Go to the board meeting-

Joe Rogan 58:54 Yeah.

Colion Noir 58:54 ... that they have at the NRA meetings. You'll be surprised. They have... uh, they have every race you can think of, different sexualities, you name it.

Joe Rogan 59:00 Oh, I believe you. Look.

Colion Noir 59:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:01 I was in the NRA forever.

Colion Noir 59:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:02 I just... uh, my... let my membership lapse, like-

Colion Noir 59:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:05 ... a year and a half ago. But I was in the NRA-

Colion Noir 59:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:08 ... because I just felt like (inhales) I know people that are just like, "We've gotta get rid of the guns." I'm like, "Man, I don't think that's gonna do it."

Colion Noir 59:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:15 And I, I don't think that's gonna stop anything.

Colion Noir 59:17 E- e-... and I ask people this all the time. I've done it on my show. I call it the big red button question, right? So you put a big red button... I'd ask them, "If I put a big red button in the middle of the table, if you push this button, all the guns on the planet disappear, would you do it?" And, and I get various answers, but I wouldn't do it. And people are like, "Why?" They're like, "Why would you not? That'd be the end of violence." I'm like, "Not really."

Joe Rogan 59:37 It's also the end of defense.

Colion Noir 59:38 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 59:39 Especially when you're talking about military. I mean, if you can't... if you don't have guns, like, what are we gonna do, fight with swords and bows and arrows and shit?

Colion Noir 59:46 But you know, the interesting thing about that too is on the... a lot of people on the other side will say they were like, "Why..." The same people will say, "Why do you need an AR-15?" And then, and then the inverse when I say the Second Amendment is actually not about hunting, it's about defending ourselves from a tyrannical government, domestic or foreign, they're like, "Oh, you think your little stupid guns are gonna be able to defend against a... against the government?" I'm like, "Well then, why don't you get me the guns that the government has then?" And then they get quiet, because they realize the contradiction in what they're stating.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Well, it's also the government... when you say the government, like, protect us against the government, we are the government. The, uh, the government's filled with people.

Colion Noir 1:00:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Like, the cops are us. The problem is, is this separation of us. If you gave me a red button and said, "Would I... uh, could I end all senseless violence by hitting that button?" I would say yes.

Colion Noir 1:00:31 (gun fires) Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 And then when people say it's a guns problem, I say, "Do you know that London passed New York City for the first time since 1800 in homicides?" And they did it with fucking knives.

Colion Noir 1:00:40 Knives.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 With knives, to the point where that goofball mayor of London, that dork, on his Twitter page said, "There's no reason to carry a knife. If you get caught carrying a knife, you'll be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law."

Colion Noir 1:00:55 But this is the ex-

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 A fucking knife.

Colion Noir 1:00:56 But-

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 I've got a knife. Oh, I don't have it on me right now.

Colion Noir 1:00:58 This is, this-

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 But I have a knife on me all the time.

Colion Noir 1:01:00 This is the same country that they utilize as the shining example of what-

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 Yeah.

Colion Noir 1:01:03 ... we should be doing in America.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Exactly. And they, they have more murders in London from knives.

Colion Noir 1:01:08 And, and here's the funny thing about that too, you know. Like, and so they have an uptick in acid attacks.I'm sorry, I think I'd rather be shot.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 Yeah, that acid attack thing is rough.

Colion Noir 1:01:16 Acid's crucial.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 Well, that's a, that's a thing that people are doing to ex-wives and shit too.

Colion Noir 1:01:21 Yeah, that's, that's-

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 It is... That is dark.

Colion Noir 1:01:24 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 That is some-

Colion Noir 1:01:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 ... inhuman shit. But it's also, w- all of this stuff, it comes down to like what makes a fully developed person. Instead of looking at what's available to a fully developed person-

Colion Noir 1:01:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 ... and what would allow a fully developed person to commit horrific crimes, what turns a person into that? We should be looking at from the root-

Colion Noir 1:01:45 Really should.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 ... to the fully grown, like what is the process that allows someone to become a mass shooter?

Colion Noir 1:01:50 I-

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 What's the process that allows someone to throw acid in someone's face?

Colion Noir 1:01:52 Man, (sighs) 'cause I ha- you know, clearly I have to frame everything through my perspective because, you know, I know it the best, but like even for me, like I said it in a video before, if I ever had to pull my gun and shoot someone to take a life, I'm gonna, I'm gonna need therapy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Yeah.

Colion Noir 1:02:06 I am. 'Cause I, 'cause I value life that much. I value it to be able to-

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Right, but d- do you have children?

Colion Noir 1:02:12 No, I don't.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 Let me tell you something, man. If you had a kid and some guy was trying to hurt your daughter and you shot him, I think you'd sleep like a baby.

Colion Noir 1:02:19 I re- I... You know what? That, that's really interesting you say that because when I talk to women about firearm ownership, right? Like none of the girls, no girls I've ever been in relationships with were like pro-gun, right? Um, but over time, you know, dealing with me, I mean, when you walk into my house and there's five rifles on the table, you kind of just have to get acclimated. But in dealing with women who start off initially as anti, a lot of them talk about not wanting guns because they can't see themselves taking a life. But the moment I ask them would they take a life to protect a child, oh, y'all blowing that sucker away.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Yeah.

Colion Noir 1:02:49 You know? And that's interesting how that works, how we... W- and I, I feel like I agree with you. I'd be the same way if I had to-

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 To preserve, preserve innocence.

Colion Noir 1:02:56 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 To preserve a, a child. And you know, the... Whatever it is that turns a child into some monster that could shoot up a school, I think that's what needs to be examined. I mean...

Colion Noir 1:03:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 And this is not a part of the narrative. It's not a part of the discussions. No one's bringing it