Joe Rogan Experience #1111 - Abby Martin

1. 0:00 – 3:26

   Cosby conviction, Weinstein backlash, and changing norms around abuse

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (humming) Five, four, three, two, one. (light switch clicking) Abby Martin, ladies and gentlemen. How are you?

   2. AMAbby Martin0:08

      Great. How are you?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Good day to be here.

   4. AMAbby Martin0:09

      Yes. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      A lot of crazy shit's going down.

   6. AMAbby Martin0:11

      Exactly.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      It's a crazy day for Bill Cosby, whoopsies.

   8. AMAbby Martin0:14

      Hey, I'm, I'm reeling in that news, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Yeah. I th- I was, uh, I was wondering what was gonna happen, 'cause the first one was a mistrial? Is that what happened?

   10. AMAbby Martin0:22

       Yeah. But what ... So what's the difference between this one? Is this a civil suit or is this ...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       I think these are ...

   12. JVJamie Vernon0:28

       Yeah, he was-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       These aren't civil.

   14. JVJamie Vernon0:29

       ... convicted of a- this was a, the retrial. So he got convicted of-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Yes.

   16. AMAbby Martin0:33

       Nine-

   17. JVJamie Vernon0:33

       ... felony-

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Yeah.

   19. AMAbby Martin0:33

       ... three charges, right?

   20. JVJamie Vernon0:34

       ... assault.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Felony sexual assault, three different counts. Each one carries, I think, at least 10 years. He could go to jail for 30 years, which is death for him.

   22. AMAbby Martin0:42

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       I mean, he's-

   24. AMAbby Martin0:43

       He's already blind.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Yeah. He's very ... Yeah. He's a ... He could barely see, right?

   26. AMAbby Martin0:48

       Good. I, I'm so happy that he's getting charged at the end of his life. That's amazing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       He's a creepy dude.

   28. AMAbby Martin0:53

       He liked to have sex with lifeless, dead bodies.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yeah. We were trying to ... I mean, purely speculation, right? Like what would cause someone to want to do that? Like what-

   30. AMAbby Martin1:02

       Mm-hmm.
2. 3:26 – 5:11

   From JFK to Trump: how media, tabloid culture, and the internet reshape politics

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:26

      Whereas, you know, like again, 50 years ago, nobody fucking knew anything. Like, think about JFK, right?

   2. AMAbby Martin3:32

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:32

      Think about all the shit that's going on with Trump, and Trump just kinda ... This ... It's like water off a duck's back with Trump-

   4. AMAbby Martin3:37

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:37

      ... for whatever reason. So he's got some strange ability to just, like, "Fake news."

   6. AMAbby Martin3:41

      That's his brand.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:42

      Yeah.

   8. AMAbby Martin3:42

      His brand is being a misogynist piece of shit-

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:44

      Yeah.

   10. AMAbby Martin3:44

       ... so people, like, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       It's pa- part ... Well, it's also, he does ... He's ... He just says it's lies-

   12. AMAbby Martin3:49

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       ... and he just keeps going. And everybody knows it's not a lie, and they're like, "What are you gonna do?" Well, he's not freaking out. He's acting like business as u- usual, and somehow or another, that's okay. Like, it's, uh ... But if you go back to, like, what JFK was up to, like JFK was a fucking freak and everybody knows it. It's like co-

   14. AMAbby Martin4:05

       Yep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       ... common ... But he was a freak in the area, in the era where the press knew everything that was going on and everybody, like, kinda kept their mouth shut. And everybody ... There was, like, a- an unspoken agreement that they wouldn't report on affairs and all the other stuff. And it's just, it's fascinating to see our culture change wildly over a short period of time.

   16. AMAbby Martin4:28

       Yeah. The tabloid journalism has taken completely over.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       That's true.

   18. AMAbby Martin4:32

       I mean, in a sense it's good, but, um, to see what these people are really doing. But yeah, you're totally right. JFK was a complete womanizer.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       Yeah.

   20. AMAbby Martin4:38

       And he's, like, lauded as this hero still.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       I think everybody was back then.

   22. AMAbby Martin4:42

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       I think that's what they did.

   24. AMAbby Martin4:44

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:44

       I think that's why they wanted to be president in the first place, so they could just fuck everything that moves (laughs) while-

   26. AMAbby Martin4:50

       (laughs) That's crazy.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       ... while, while trying to save the free world. It's weird. It's fucking weird. You know, we- we- we're in a strange time. I think historians in the future, when they go back to the period where the internet was created, essentially it was like '94 when it became mainstream, I think they're gonna look at this time between '94 and 2018 as this unprecedented explosion of change.

3. 5:11 – 6:38

   Stormy Daniels, Michael Cohen, and Trump’s ‘mafia’ operating style

   1. AMAbby Martin5:11

      Trump is nuts. I don't understand why ... You know, the Stormy Daniels thing, I feel like could be hi- his undoing. I don't think anything is gonna come out of the Russia stuff. I think that, if anything, it's gonna come out of the Michael Cohen-

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:21

      Yeah. Could be.

   3. AMAbby Martin5:22

      ... thing. But him pardoning Libby is basically him sending a message saying, "Don't worry, man, I got your back. I'm gonna pardon you if you go to jail," to Cohen, I think. 'Cause I mean, why the he- why el- why else would you just pardon Dick Cheney's former man? You know?

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:35

      Oh yeah, Scooter Libby?

   5. AMAbby Martin5:36

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:36

      Yeah. I don't understand that. Yeah.

   7. AMAbby Martin5:38

      It was just him basically just being like, "Don't worry, bro. Got your back. I'll get you out of prison, but it's nuts."

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:43

      Yeah, Bush didn't even pardon that guy, right?

   9. AMAbby Martin5:44

      He was commuted his-

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       Obama didn't pardon him.

   11. AMAbby Martin5:45

       ... sentence, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       Yeah.

   13. AMAbby Martin5:46

       It's, it's insane. The Trump stuff's nuts. The Stormy Daniels thing is, is ridiculous. Did you see that interview with Anderson Cooper (laughs) ?

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:53

       No, I didn't watch that.

   15. AMAbby Martin5:54

       It's nuts. I mean, it just ... Uh, uh, the craziest part about it is not the fact that he had sex with a porn star and that she was trying to do a transactional thing to get on The Apprentice, it's that he sent someone to threaten her and her child- (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:05

       Yeah.

   17. AMAbby Martin6:05

       ... after that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:06

       Yeah. Yeah.

   19. AMAbby Martin6:07

       He's fucking nuts.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       Yeah. I think that's-

   21. AMAbby Martin6:09

       What is he capable of, you know?

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       I think that's standard operational procedure for a lot of people.

   23. AMAbby Martin6:14

       It's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       You know?

   25. AMAbby Martin6:14

       Mm-hmm. He's a ma- ... He's, he's, he's a mafia acting dude.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       Well, that ... Wasn't that what-... who, who wrote... wh- who, who was saying that about... Oh.

   27. AMAbby Martin6:23

       Comey.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       Comey.

   29. AMAbby Martin6:23

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       Comey was saying that.
4. 6:38 – 9:02

   Comedy in ‘strange times’: Joe’s Netflix special and finding a unique angle

   1. AMAbby Martin6:38

      Um, by the way, great job at standup.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:40

      Oh, thank you.

   3. AMAbby Martin6:40

      I've been going to a bunch of standup shows. Everyone just talks about jerking off to pixelated porn in the '80s and their dicks and... I mean, you, you... your set was awesome.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      Thank you.

   5. AMAbby Martin6:50

      And I really encourage everyone to check it out. It's just... It was amazing.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:53

      Thank you.

   7. AMAbby Martin6:54

      Yeah, it was really fucking good.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:54

      I filmed a Netflix special last weekend.

   9. AMAbby Martin6:57

      How was it?

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       It was great. I'm very excited. Very happy. Can't wait.

   11. AMAbby Martin7:00

       What is it called?

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:01

       I haven't decided yet. The tour I was calling Strange Times 'cause, you know, obviously.

   13. AMAbby Martin7:05

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:05

       We're in strange times. I might just keep that. I don't know. I may... might change the name. I don't know. I, I really haven't decided yet.

   15. AMAbby Martin7:11

       I was impressed. There was a lot of really good jokes about Trump, which is... you would think would be easy, but I guess for comedians it's probably not easy because it's so satirical, what... the world that we're living in.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Yeah. Well, h- yeah. The problem is, reality is already a joke.

   17. AMAbby Martin7:25

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       It's like so... It's so crazy that you have to have... You have to figure out what is your unique perspective.

   19. AMAbby Martin7:32

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:32

       You know, if you have one. You know? I just think we're very childlike in what we do with... in, you know, how we treat our leaders and how we choose our leaders, and I'm really fascinated by the cult of personality that goes behind really any big-time leader.

   21. AMAbby Martin7:50

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:50

       Whether it's Trump or Obama.

   23. AMAbby Martin7:51

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       There's people that think that person can do wro- no wrong. I was very fascinated by that with Hillary. There was a f- a giant group of people-

   25. AMAbby Martin7:59

       Totally.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       ... that refused to look at any of the things that Hillary was doing that were wrong, any of the things like the Clinton Foundation or those speeches that she was giving to these bankers where she wouldn't release the transcripts or the lies that she would talk about, the difference between Comey's version of what the FBI had found her to have done wrong versus her version of it. And there's a video where you see the two of them back to back, and she's a deceptive person. She's clearly a liar. She's not... She's not a good person. She's not like this shining example of what we would like our leader to be. We'd like our le-... Like, love or hate Ob- Obama, what that guy was to me was like a statesman. Like he so... The way he would communicate was so calm and smooth and he was... You know, if you... even if you didn't like his policy, you gotta admit, the guy was v- incredibly articulate, b- beautifully literate. Like the way he would speak and communicate, he was well-read. Like he, to me, represented what I would like, uh, the version of the person who's running the big thing to be.

5. 9:02 – 11:58

   ‘Deep state,’ neoliberal media, and why Abby says the left has no real platform

   1. AMAbby Martin9:02

      And I think that's the whole crux of, of people who have brainwashed themselves into thinking there's some sort of like deep state, um, apparatus that's outing Trump. I think that the real problem... Look, the deep state is the military-industrial complex. They're winning at the end of the day, no matter what. Defense contractor stocks are skyrocketing. Trump is basically the de facto arms salesman and chief on the phone with the Japanese prime minister being like, "Hock these killer drones, bro." Like, "We gotta sell these surveillance drones." That's who's gonna win at the end of the day. The neoliberal establishment is who hates him because he removes the mask of empire.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:33

      Right.

   3. AMAbby Martin9:33

      That's what he does. He removes the mask. He's making it less palatable to sell imperialism around the world, and I think that's, that's the crux of why you see kind of these think tankers and the liberals on, on TV. And, uh, we can get into this later, but there's a whole misnomer going on about the left and a mischaracterization about the left. The left has no fucking power in this country. The left has no voice in terms of news coverage. So all these people-

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:57

      What about Rachel Maddow?

   5. AMAbby Martin9:58

      She is not left. She is a neoliberal corporate shill.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:02

      You, you say that and so does Jimmy Dore. Jimmy Dore says the same thing. Yeah. He, he just thinks that she does not represent the left and that's-

   7. AMAbby Martin10:11

      Not at all. I... There's a myth of, of the fact that the media is liberal in general. I think that, you know, TV culture aside, news is not... Uh, there is no liberal media. Media is owned by multinational corporations with conservative business owners that have interlocking boards of directorates at defense contractors, Monsanto, et cetera. Those people aren't fucking liberal, they're not left. They, they push down their policies. It doesn't matter if you're a Maoist working at Washington Times, you're not gonna be able to put out that contradictory narrative-

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:39

      Yeah.

   9. AMAbby Martin10:39

      ... that your shareholders are, are pushing. Um, it's, it's really unfortunate that the left has been basically... I don't know. I mean, they've just demonized the entire left where now you have the NRA fomenting civil war against the fucking left, Trump and all of his followers are just like, "The left is, is what's really wrong with this country," where there's no power. We don't have any power. You've given me... Like I have more of a platform than probably any other leftist because you have given me a platform on this show. When have you ever heard my views like on TV, ever? You know what I mean?

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:11

       Well, when you were on TV, I heard them. (laughs)

   11. AMAbby Martin11:14

       (laughs) Which is why we go to RT. It's nuts, man.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:17

       Yeah, but that's a weird thing too, right? Because people think of Russia.

   13. AMAbby Martin11:21

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       You know, Russia is the great enemy, and you were on Russia today.

   15. AMAbby Martin11:23

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:23

       Like, uh, Abby Martin's a... She's a tool of the Russians. The Russians. That the Russians... Like, the Russians were nothing forever. Like the Russians... Like, we got through the Cold War, like, "Oh, the Russians are our friends now." Whew.

   17. AMAbby Martin11:35

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:35

       Because when I was in high school, we were always worried we're gonna get bombed by the Russians.

   19. AMAbby Martin11:39

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:39

       That shit went away.

   21. AMAbby Martin11:40

       Yeah, how does it feel to just have that back?

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:42

       It feels weird. I don't believe it. I don't believe we're gonna get bombed by the Russians. I don't think we're gonna bomb them. I don't think they're gonna bomb us. I don't... I think as cliché as it sounds, mutually assured destruction is probably a really good incentive to not launch missiles into the air. I think that's still real.

6. 11:58 – 19:50

   Syria fears, Yemen wedding strikes, and the logic of endless war

   1. AMAbby Martin11:58

      What do you think about the Syria stuff?

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:00

      Scares the shit out of me.

   3. AMAbby Martin12:01

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:01

      Every- everything... Just anything to do with ISIS, anything to do with like ideological warfare, all that stuff scares the shit out of me. You know, when you... when you see what people are capable of doing if they really believe in their cause and they really believe God's on their side, they really believe... And also, if you, you really believe you've been fucked over by the great Satan.

   5. AMAbby Martin12:23

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:23

      All that stuff scares the shit out of me because most people are blissfully unaware of what the United States and, you know, what-... the, the commander in chief or whoever the fuck is pulling the strings is doing overseas and what the repercussions of those actions are gonna be.

   7. AMAbby Martin12:36

      Yeah, that, that, the guy who I think... (sighs) I don't know when the Quebec mos- mosque shooting was, but his basically, his justification was, you know, "Islamic terrorism wanted, made me do this." So if that's the case, what are all the people that we kill with drones and, you know-

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:50

      Yeah.

   9. AMAbby Martin12:50

      ... we just killed the bride at a fucking wedding party in Yemen.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:54

       Is it another one of those?

   11. AMAbby Martin12:55

       Yes. Just two days ago.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:57

       How many times can you bomb wedding parties?

   13. AMAbby Martin12:58

       At least eight, I think.

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:59

       That's our thing.

   15. AMAbby Martin13:00

       Yeah, and it's deliberate because we're supplying intelligence and weapons to Saudi Arabia. It's not just, you know, we supply them weapons and turn a blind eye. We are supplying military intelligence and targets for them to bomb, and we are actively helping them do that. So yeah, they just bombed another wedding party on top of the funerals, hospitals, schools.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:16

       But why are they, why wedding parties? Is, is, was there someone in the wedding party they were trying to get or was it a mistake?

   17. AMAbby Martin13:21

       I don't even know what the official line is, but how many wedding parties can you bomb before we draw our red line? I mean, it's just disgusting. And they killed the bride, they killed the fucking... So what are all these people who grow up... This was supposed to be the happiest day of their lives and now, you know, are they gonna grow up wanting to, to kill Americans? I mean-

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       Well, if you were a conspiracy theorist-

   19. AMAbby Martin13:37

       ... blaming the American government?

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       Yeah, if you were a conspiracy theorist, that's what you would say. You would say the reason why they're doing this is that the United States wants an endless war. The best way to ensure an endless war is to occasionally blow up some people that really have no dog in the fight and you create a bunch of radicals. You, you create people that are hell-bent on revenge because of that. That's the real hardcore conspiracy theory, the Alex Jones take on it.

   21. AMAbby Martin14:02

       I think that a, a, a good way to look at the world is, you know, there's the colonizers and colonized. The, the, the states that are basically remaining that we know that the establishment or the empire wants to take down, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, right? What, what do they all have in common? They're all, uh, independent of our economic hegemony. And so we use our economic and military might to commit violence around the world to subject these countries to bend to our will economically. And it's really obvious, and unfortunately people just continue to buy into this humanitarian bullshit propaganda no matter who's in office.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:37

       Yeah, it doesn't matter who's in office. If you look at like the actions that the Obama administration took versus the action the Bush administration took, they're super similar.

   23. AMAbby Martin14:45

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:45

       You know?

   25. AMAbby Martin14:46

       And this whole deep state thing, I mean, look is Giuliani a deep-

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       What do you think about all of that?

   27. AMAbby Martin14:49

       I, I-

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       What is the deep state?

   29. AMAbby Martin14:50

       Okay, so the deep state I think is the military-industrial complex. It's the machine that churns on no matter who is the commander in chief, it doesn't matter, right? It's just-

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:57

       And they, they're not trying to get rid of Trump if that's the case.
7. 19:50 – 50:10

   Smear campaigns and Abby’s case against Israeli policy in Gaza and the West Bank

   1. AMAbby Martin19:50

      So dude, last time we were on, wow, crazy, crazy stuff happened after that, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:57

      Yeah.

   3. AMAbby Martin19:57

      Huge ass smear campaign.

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:59

      I got a gigantic, uh, pile of email, thankfully to the wrong email address-

   5. AMAbby Martin20:03

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:04

      ... but I still was aware of them-

   7. AMAbby Martin20:05

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:06

      ... uh, of a bunch of people. And it was the s- it was like a, a form letter, um, talking about how you're a liar and you're anti-Israel and none of this stuff is happening between, you know, Israel and the, the h- I just... Yeah. It was... It got weird. It got weird.

   9. AMAbby Martin20:25

      Yeah. So-

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:25

       It was like, uh, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds-

   11. AMAbby Martin20:27

       Hundreds. And that-

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:27

       ... of email. I don't even know how many were coming in.

   13. AMAbby Martin20:29

       And that's, and that's a campaign.

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       Yeah.

   15. AMAbby Martin20:30

       That's a campaign with large amount of money behind it because the Israeli lobby likes to come down very hard on people who speak out against the crimes of Israel. As you see, this is a third rail issue. No one talks about it, even though it's so fucking obvious. I mean, we hear the mantra "Putin kills journalists" all the time while Israeli forces are sniping dead journalists and children on camera, and yet the world turns a blind eye.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:52

       Well, someone got killed just a few days ago, right?

   17. AMAbby Martin20:54

       A journalist just died yesterday.

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:56

       Yeah.

   19. AMAbby Martin20:56

       He was shot in the abdomen.

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:57

       Was it a Palestinian?

   21. AMAbby Martin20:57

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:57

       Yeah.

   23. AMAbby Martin20:57

       They're all Palestinian. There's been no Israeli casualties, um, wounded or otherwise. But yes, Stand With Us is, uh, is directly funded by the Israeli government. It's part of their giant Hasbara operation. And that's... They made a video. They were promoting a video kind- trying to debunk what I said on here. Look, you can look at the Empire Files and see all of the documentation of what I said.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:17

       And that's your stuff, the Empire-

   25. AMAbby Martin21:17

       That's all my stuff, yeah, the Empire Files dot-

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:19

       Where is that?

   27. AMAbby Martin21:20

       The empirefiles.tv. And it's a YouTube channel that you can subscribe to, too. But I mean, it's just very easy, easily verifiable facts, like that Israeli military law governs the West Bank. This is verifiable in five seconds on Amnesty International. So it was just very desperate measures to try to obfuscate what I was saying. And this is really all they have left because the tide is turning, man. I mean, look, Natalie Portman just signed on to boycott this conference in Israel, and they are running scared. I mean, they're trying to revoke her citizenship because she's basically participating in BDS, um, because she said recent events have made her greatly disturbed, as it should disturb everyone, the fact that there's this ongoing massacre. And if I could just explain to people what's going on really quickly, it is horrifying, you guys. I mean, there's a thing called The Great March of Return, and it's been completely nonviolent on the side of Palestinians. It's in Gaza, which is the open-air prison where about two million people are housed in cages like animals, and they're not allowed to leave. I can't think of any other place in the world that refugees actually can't leave. Otherwise, they'll be shot. So there's, like, Israeli guard posts surrounding this place. They count their calories. They, they don't let them have concrete, anything that, that can be construed as a weapon, etc. So anyway, they, they're protesting this, right? Because they have no dignity, no humanity, and no agency to live their lives. And so they're protesting non-violently. They're going up to the, to the fence and, you know, thousands and thousands of them and 40 people have just been executed. There's Israeli soldiers sitting up perched on a hilltop with sniper scopes. This isn't just random gunfire that people are being hit with. They are deliberately attacking every single person with headshots, with genitalia shots. It's sick. And press, there's people marked press. I mean, that's an egregious war crime. Yet you have Nikki Haley, uh, vetoing every single UN resolution or investigation into Israel. I can't imagine-

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:06

       Why, why do you, why do you think that is?

   29. AMAbby Martin23:06

       ... another country... So I think that, you know, look, Israel can only survive with US sponsorship. And we love to have that beachhead in the Middle East. We love to have that military garrison because we use Israel, like what happened in Syria. We used Israel to bomb Syria first to test the waters. We use Israeli forces to execute nuclear scientists in Iran. We use the Mossad to do all kinds of stuff. So we love to have that kind of, you know, military he- military post, outpost in the Middle East that we can use to try to intimidate all those post-colonial states that are independent or we want to overthrow. So I think that's why, you know, a lot of people say, "Oh, the lobby controls us," and I think that that's wrong. Um, I think that there's a lot of lobbies that have influence, but I think it's, it's more strategic than that. I really do.

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:52

       And so... For the Palestinians-
8. 50:10 – 57:48

   Dehumanization on camera: IDF rhetoric, ‘one shot, two kills’ imagery, and public opinion

   1. JRJoe Rogan50:10

      And they're addicted to plastic surgery. Have you seen what they're doing with women's eyes over there?

   2. AMAbby Martin50:14

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan50:15

      Oh my goodness.

   4. AMAbby Martin50:16

      What?

   5. JRJoe Rogan50:16

      Women in South Korea, it's so common that they get their eyes done. They get their eyes done like an anime character.

   6. AMAbby Martin50:24

      Whoa.

   7. JRJoe Rogan50:25

      They get their lids cut.

   8. AMAbby Martin50:25

      Like widened?

   9. JRJoe Rogan50:26

      Yeah, they get-

   10. AMAbby Martin50:27

       Oh, shit.

   11. JRJoe Rogan50:27

       ... their lids cut and pulled up so that they have these giant Western eyes, but exaggerated. And it's so common that, like, if you didn't know any better, you would think that this is like, oh, well some people look like this.

   12. AMAbby Martin50:40

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan50:41

       No. There's so much plastic surgery over there that it's extremely common for these women to get these weird fucking eyes. Jamie, see if you can pull it up because, uh, this is something that I became aware of, uh, right... Jesus. I want to say like eight or nine years ago when I was like, I just thought it was just a girl that looked like that.

   14. AMAbby Martin51:00

       Nowhere.

   15. JRJoe Rogan51:00

       Like, that's not even a good example. That, that girl still looks Asian. That's a, a boy. Like, look at what they're doing.

   16. AMAbby Martin51:06

       Whoa.

   17. JRJoe Rogan51:07

       They're, they're, they're westernizing their eyes, but there's some, there's some really g- that guy got his jaw done. He looks better on the right.

   18. AMAbby Martin51:15

       (laughs) No way.

   19. JRJoe Rogan51:15

       But, like, that one. That's a good example.

   20. AMAbby Martin51:17

       Wow.

   21. JRJoe Rogan51:18

       You see what they're doing? It's like they're doing this strange thing with their eyes where they're making their eyes larger.

   22. AMAbby Martin51:24

       Yeah, like a cartoon.

   23. JRJoe Rogan51:24

       Yeah. But it's extremely common.

   24. AMAbby Martin51:26

       And whitening cream is-

   25. JRJoe Rogan51:28

       Yeah.

   26. AMAbby Martin51:28

       ... is huge too there.

   27. JRJoe Rogan51:29

       Yeah. See? They're, they're changing-

   28. AMAbby Martin51:31

       Whoa.

   29. JRJoe Rogan51:32

       ... their eyes. Before, after. Yay. Look.

   30. AMAbby Martin51:35

       That sucks.
9. 57:48 – 1:04:36

   Tribal outrage in the U.S.: Yeti vs. NRA and performative culture wars

   1. JRJoe Rogan57:48

      ... between Yeti Coolers and the NRA?

   2. AMAbby Martin57:50

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan57:50

      It's fascinating, 'cause this just shows how tribal and crazy people get. Yeti Coolers, they canceled some... They had these programs, like go to, go to, uh, do you know my friend Ben O'Brien's Instagram? Do you know that?

   4. NANarrator58:07

      I saw it on Adam GreenTree, I think.

   5. JRJoe Rogan58:09

      Yeah, put it on Adam GreenTrees and we'll, we could read it. But what, what Yeti did, they discontinued these, I forget what they, the, the way they desc- they described the program. But they had a bunch of outdated, um, incentive programs, where like, you know, like if you signed up for something you get a discount, like a discounted program. Here it is.

   6. AMAbby Martin58:29

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan58:29

      Discount.

   8. AMAbby Martin58:30

      What is Yeti?

   9. JRJoe Rogan58:30

      Outdated discounting program. Yeti makes super high end coolers.

   10. AMAbby Martin58:35

       Okay.

   11. JRJoe Rogan58:35

       They're like really expensive, but they literally will keep ice for days.

   12. AMAbby Martin58:39

       Ooh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan58:39

       You could put ice in them and go to the desert, and five days later you have ice in that cooler. And I'm not bullshitting.

   14. AMAbby Martin58:44

       Put your elk meat in it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan58:45

       They're fucking phenomenal.

   16. AMAbby Martin58:46

       Love it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan58:47

       They... That's exactly what I do with it.

   18. AMAbby Martin58:48

       Nice.

   19. JRJoe Rogan58:48

       Um, they're phenomenal. So anyway, they notified the NRA and the organization has changed. Yeti explained to them that they're offering an alternative customization program broadly available to consumers and organizations, including the NRA Foundation. So then the NRA releases this statement that Yeti Coolers doesn't want to work with the NRA anymore, they don't support the Second Amendment, so fuck them. So people start blowing up their Yeti Coolers.

   20. AMAbby Martin59:14

       (laughs)

   21. NANarrator59:15

       (laughs)

   22. AMAbby Martin59:15

       Just like the Keurig coffee maker. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan59:16

       I'm not kidding. They filled their Yeti Coolers up with that thermite shit, or what, what is that stuff? Not thermite. What's that explosive shit?

   24. AMAbby Martin59:22

       I know exactly what you're talking about.

   25. JRJoe Rogan59:24

       You know what I'm talking about?

   26. AMAbby Martin59:24

       'Cause Steven Paddock had a bunch of that shit in his car. Um-

   27. JRJoe Rogan59:26

       What is that shit?

   28. AMAbby Martin59:27

       ... tritium. Not tr-

   29. NANarrator59:28

       Shite, right?

   30. JRJoe Rogan59:28

       Whatever the f- Is that what it is?
10. 1:04:36 – 1:07:26

    The ‘incel’ subculture and violence: loneliness, misogyny, and online radicalization

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:04:36

       Let's talk about that other thing.

    2. AMAbby Martin1:04:38

       The QAnon thing?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:04:39

       No. The guy who blew up ... Or, the guy who ran over those people-

    4. AMAbby Martin1:04:42

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:04:42

       ... that is, uh ... What is the new word? Incel? What is the word?

    6. AMAbby Martin1:04:45

       Incel. It's, um-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:04:47

       Incel. Incel?

    8. AMAbby Martin1:04:47

       ... involuntary celibate.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:48

       Yeah.

    10. AMAbby Martin1:04:49

        Yeah, so this is-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:49

        So these people are killing people because ... Now, Bourdain was tweeting that there's, like, some sort of a rebit ... Reddit forum with all these folks, and there's like 40,000 members.

    12. AMAbby Martin1:04:58

        Oh, totally. Well, the, the guy who shot a bunch of women in Santa Barbara a couple years ago-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:05:02

        Yes.

    14. AMAbby Martin1:05:02

        ... he was also like, "I'm so attractive. Why don't you guys wanna have sex with me?" It's like a ... Look, it doesn't matter what you look like. There's healthy, loving relationships that exist for everyone.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:05:11

        Yeah, he was a little cutie.

    16. AMAbby Martin1:05:12

        Um, yeah. (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:05:12

        The little murderer. He was a little cutie.

    18. AMAbby Martin1:05:14

        So it's just crazy to me when people-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:15

        It's like, we just need to be better friends.

    20. AMAbby Martin1:05:16

        ... blame women and are violent misogynists because they are, you know, um, on a ... They think that they're unattractive and they're basically just blame, like, attractive women for not having sex with them. It's really disturbing. And this guy apparently mowed down a bunch of people in Toronto because he, he was one of these people.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:05:31

        "Incel's creating rules, and honestly, this sickens me." What?

    22. NANarrator1:05:35

        This is the, uh, the whole thread at pace.

    23. AMAbby Martin1:05:37

        This is the Reddit ... Oh, God. Don't go down this, this rabbit hole.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:05:41

        Incel tears.

    25. NANarrator1:05:41

        Incel tears, 70,000.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:05:41

        70,000 now, but I think it was 40,000 yesterday. So there's, like, a bunch of goofballs that just signed up just to, just to read, see what the fuck's going on over there-

    27. AMAbby Martin1:05:50

        Oh, no.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:05:50

        ... 'cause people are freaking out. But the idea ... Okay, here it is. "Incel Tears is a place for folks to submit screenshots, not direct links, of crazy stuff posted by self-described incels." Oh, okay.

    29. AMAbby Martin1:05:59

        Oh, okay. So it's making fun of them.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:00

        So this is, this is the mocking one.
11. 1:07:26 – 1:18:57

    Russia, press freedom, and Assange: lawsuits, embassy confinement, and political leverage

    1. AMAbby Martin1:07:26

       It's really insane. I mean, like I said before, the mass hallucinations. There's no way to have actual dialogue or discourse about reality because you're a Russian bot.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:07:35

       Yeah.

    3. AMAbby Martin1:07:36

       The liberals have not... And I mean, the liberals meaning the neoliberal, the think tank establishment, the people that people call leftists, which is a misnomer. But those people are so in denial about the fact that Trump won, that they still just have to blame Russia for the fact that Trump is our president. They can't accept that he won-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:07:52

       Yeah.

    5. AMAbby Martin1:07:52

       ... democratically.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:07:53

       No.

    7. AMAbby Martin1:07:53

       Um, so it's really pathetic that now you have them suing the DNC over this erroneous fraudulent lawsuit that's basically threatening press freedom. They're basically saying if you publish leaks, including Trump's tax returns, you could even say... I mean, this is what journalists do. They publish things that are-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:08:08

       Sure.

    9. AMAbby Martin1:08:08

       ... that people give them. That's ec- economic espionage, they said. So this is like, this has profound im- implications for press freedom, and it's incredible how desperate they are. They're, they're slapping a lawsuit on Julian Assange, who's still arbitrarily detained in an embassy, going on-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:08:22

        Didn't they cut off his internet?

    11. AMAbby Martin1:08:23

        Yeah, they cut off his internet.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:08:24

        So how's he get online?

    13. AMAbby Martin1:08:25

        He is not online. He's, they basically are trying to force him out at this point.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:08:29

        And if they force him out, they're just gonna jail him on trumped-up charges-

    15. AMAbby Martin1:08:32

        They have, yep.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:08:32

        ... because they're trying to get him on this sex charge, but hasn't that sex charge been dropped?

    17. AMAbby Martin1:08:36

        It was dropped. Uh, there's a lot of weird things about it initially. I don't know, um, you know, all I know is that Assange, uh, they, they basically said that they could not promise that he won't be extradited to the US, which means they will extradite him to the US. And we've already had Pompeo, who's the psychotic Koch brother shill who just got appointed, um, said he, he wants to basically see Julian Assange go down. I mean, he had harsh words for Julian Assange. So even though Trump talks out of both sides of his mouth on the campaign, he was like, "I love WikiLeaks."

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