Joe Rogan Experience #1111 - Abby Martin

Joe Rogan 0:00 (humming) Five, four, three, two, one. (light switch clicking) Abby Martin, ladies and gentlemen. How are you?

Abby Martin 0:08 Great. How are you?

Joe Rogan 0:09 Good day to be here.

Abby Martin 0:09 Yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:09 A lot of crazy shit's going down.

Abby Martin 0:11 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 0:11 It's a crazy day for Bill Cosby, whoopsies.

Abby Martin 0:14 Hey, I'm, I'm reeling in that news, man.

Joe Rogan 0:16 Yeah. I th- I was, uh, I was wondering what was gonna happen, 'cause the first one was a mistrial? Is that what happened?

Abby Martin 0:22 Yeah. But what ... So what's the difference between this one? Is this a civil suit or is this ...

Joe Rogan 0:27 I think these are ...

Jamie Vernon 0:28 Yeah, he was-

Joe Rogan 0:28 These aren't civil.

Jamie Vernon 0:29 ... convicted of a- this was a, the retrial. So he got convicted of-

Joe Rogan 0:32 Yes.

Abby Martin 0:33 Nine-

Jamie Vernon 0:33 ... felony-

Joe Rogan 0:33 Yeah.

Abby Martin 0:33 ... three charges, right?

Jamie Vernon 0:34 ... assault.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Felony sexual assault, three different counts. Each one carries, I think, at least 10 years. He could go to jail for 30 years, which is death for him.

Abby Martin 0:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:42 I mean, he's-

Abby Martin 0:43 He's already blind.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Yeah. He's very ... Yeah. He's a ... He could barely see, right?

Abby Martin 0:48 Good. I, I'm so happy that he's getting charged at the end of his life. That's amazing.

Joe Rogan 0:51 He's a creepy dude.

Abby Martin 0:53 He liked to have sex with lifeless, dead bodies.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Yeah. We were trying to ... I mean, purely speculation, right? Like what would cause someone to want to do that? Like what-

Abby Martin 1:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02 But I, I have this theory. I think a lot of people did that shit in the '60s. I think in the '60s, it was a normal thing to drug people. And I think they ... You know, remember the terms ... Have you ever ... I don't know if you've heard it, slipping someone a mickey?

Abby Martin 1:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16 They, I, I think they used to do that all the time back then and they didn't think anything of it. You know?

Abby Martin 1:21 That's disgusting.

Joe Rogan 1:22 It's ... People are fucking gross. If you just go back a couple of hundred years. Like, I'm watching this show Vikings. It's a great show, by the way.

Abby Martin 1:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:28 I don't know if you've ever watched it.

Abby Martin 1:29 No.

Joe Rogan 1:29 But, uh, you know, they were obviously fucking crazy people. They did wild shit. But it was common. I mean, this was how people lived. They would storm into villages and kill everybody.

Abby Martin 1:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:42 This was normal shit just 1,000 years ago or so. And I think if you go back just 100 years, the way people treated each other was horrific.

Abby Martin 1:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:53 If you go back 50 years ago, that's Bill Cosby's era. I mean, I really think that people back then were different. They didn't have the internet. They didn't, they didn't understand how other people were viewing their activity. They thought they could hide this activity. And I think there was a group of people, specifically, you know, partiers, that would drug people. And I think it was a normal thing. I think there's probably a lot of people out there that are hearing this Bill Cosby thing and they're thinking about all the times that they did it.

Abby Martin 2:22 That is horrifying.

Joe Rogan 2:23 It's fucking scary.

Abby Martin 2:23 And especially when you couch yourself into being this, like, responsible ... Like, "I'm gonna lecture all the Black people."

Joe Rogan 2:29 Yeah.

Abby Martin 2:29 "Be re- pull up your pants."

Joe Rogan 2:30 Yeah.

Abby Martin 2:31 "Be good."

Joe Rogan 2:31 Yeah. I remember one time, Wanda Sykes interviewed him at some thing, and he was, uh, chastising her on the way she was talking-

Abby Martin 2:39 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:39 ... and her English. And he was wearing sunglasses inside.

Abby Martin 2:42 (laughs) He's like-

Joe Rogan 2:43 So-

Abby Martin 2:43 ... "Sorry, I'm just recovering off the raping that I just did." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:46 (laughs) "I can't see people. I can't look you in the eyes. I'm all raped out."

Abby Martin 2:49 Oh my God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:50 Yeah.

Abby Martin 2:50 I'm so happy to hear this. And did you see Weinstein chased out of that bar? Like, in Florida or whatever? Some guy comes up and, like, slaps him.

Joe Rogan 2:56 Oh, slapped him in the face?

Abby Martin 2:57 That was great.

Joe Rogan 2:58 Yeah.

Abby Martin 2:58 Hopefully that happens to him all over the world. I, I think that he's a disgusting pig who should be chased out of every public forum.

Joe Rogan 3:04 Uh, there's a lot of those out there. There's a lot of, a lot of creepy humans in this world, you know? I just ... I think we're in this unprecedented time of understanding i- in terms of, like, the consequences of your behavior-

Abby Martin 3:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:18 ... what you can and can't do now, and then the fact that people will just ... If you're doing something horrific to people, other people are now gonna know.

Abby Martin 3:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:26 Whereas, you know, like again, 50 years ago, nobody fucking knew anything. Like, think about JFK, right?

Abby Martin 3:32 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:32 Think about all the shit that's going on with Trump, and Trump just kinda ... This ... It's like water off a duck's back with Trump-

Abby Martin 3:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:37 ... for whatever reason. So he's got some strange ability to just, like, "Fake news."

Abby Martin 3:41 That's his brand.

Joe Rogan 3:42 Yeah.

Abby Martin 3:42 His brand is being a misogynist piece of shit-

Joe Rogan 3:44 Yeah.

Abby Martin 3:44 ... so people, like, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:44 It's pa- part ... Well, it's also, he does ... He's ... He just says it's lies-

Abby Martin 3:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:49 ... and he just keeps going. And everybody knows it's not a lie, and they're like, "What are you gonna do?" Well, he's not freaking out. He's acting like business as u- usual, and somehow or another, that's okay. Like, it's, uh ... But if you go back to, like, what JFK was up to, like JFK was a fucking freak and everybody knows it. It's like co-

Abby Martin 4:05 Yep.

Joe Rogan 4:05 ... common ... But he was a freak in the area, in the era where the press knew everything that was going on and everybody, like, kinda kept their mouth shut. And everybody ... There was, like, a- an unspoken agreement that they wouldn't report on affairs and all the other stuff. And it's just, it's fascinating to see our culture change wildly over a short period of time.

Abby Martin 4:28 Yeah. The tabloid journalism has taken completely over.

Joe Rogan 4:31 That's true.

Abby Martin 4:32 I mean, in a sense it's good, but, um, to see what these people are really doing. But yeah, you're totally right. JFK was a complete womanizer.

Joe Rogan 4:38 Yeah.

Abby Martin 4:38 And he's, like, lauded as this hero still.

Joe Rogan 4:41 I think everybody was back then.

Abby Martin 4:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:43 I think that's what they did.

Abby Martin 4:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:44 I think that's why they wanted to be president in the first place, so they could just fuck everything that moves (laughs) while-

Abby Martin 4:50 (laughs) That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 4:50 ... while, while trying to save the free world. It's weird. It's fucking weird. You know, we- we- we're in a strange time. I think historians in the future, when they go back to the period where the internet was created, essentially it was like '94 when it became mainstream, I think they're gonna look at this time between '94 and 2018 as this unprecedented explosion of change.

Abby Martin 5:11 Trump is nuts. I don't understand why ... You know, the Stormy Daniels thing, I feel like could be hi- his undoing. I don't think anything is gonna come out of the Russia stuff. I think that, if anything, it's gonna come out of the Michael Cohen-

Joe Rogan 5:21 Yeah. Could be.

Abby Martin 5:22 ... thing. But him pardoning Libby is basically him sending a message saying, "Don't worry, man, I got your back. I'm gonna pardon you if you go to jail," to Cohen, I think. 'Cause I mean, why the he- why el- why else would you just pardon Dick Cheney's former man? You know?

Joe Rogan 5:35 Oh yeah, Scooter Libby?

Abby Martin 5:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:36 Yeah. I don't understand that. Yeah.

Abby Martin 5:38 It was just him basically just being like, "Don't worry, bro. Got your back. I'll get you out of prison, but it's nuts."

Joe Rogan 5:43 Yeah, Bush didn't even pardon that guy, right?

Abby Martin 5:44 He was commuted his-

Joe Rogan 5:45 Obama didn't pardon him.

Abby Martin 5:45 ... sentence, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:46 Yeah.

Abby Martin 5:46 It's, it's insane. The Trump stuff's nuts. The Stormy Daniels thing is, is ridiculous. Did you see that interview with Anderson Cooper (laughs) ?

Joe Rogan 5:53 No, I didn't watch that.

Abby Martin 5:54 It's nuts. I mean, it just ... Uh, uh, the craziest part about it is not the fact that he had sex with a porn star and that she was trying to do a transactional thing to get on The Apprentice, it's that he sent someone to threaten her and her child- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:05 Yeah.

Abby Martin 6:05 ... after that.

Joe Rogan 6:06 Yeah. Yeah.

Abby Martin 6:07 He's fucking nuts.

Joe Rogan 6:08 Yeah. I think that's-

Abby Martin 6:09 What is he capable of, you know?

Joe Rogan 6:10 I think that's standard operational procedure for a lot of people.

Abby Martin 6:14 It's-

Joe Rogan 6:14 You know?

Abby Martin 6:14 Mm-hmm. He's a ma- ... He's, he's, he's a mafia acting dude.

Joe Rogan 6:18 Well, that ... Wasn't that what-... who, who wrote... wh- who, who was saying that about... Oh.

Abby Martin 6:23 Comey.

Joe Rogan 6:23 Comey.

Abby Martin 6:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:23 Comey was saying that.

Abby Martin 6:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:24 It was essentially, it reminded him of when he was prosecuting the mob, that they had this sort of, you know, same kind of attitude, this us versus them, keep everything together, loyalty is everything.

Abby Martin 6:36 Totally.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Yeah.

Abby Martin 6:38 Um, by the way, great job at standup.

Joe Rogan 6:40 Oh, thank you.

Abby Martin 6:40 I've been going to a bunch of standup shows. Everyone just talks about jerking off to pixelated porn in the '80s and their dicks and... I mean, you, you... your set was awesome.

Joe Rogan 6:50 Thank you.

Abby Martin 6:50 And I really encourage everyone to check it out. It's just... It was amazing.

Joe Rogan 6:53 Thank you.

Abby Martin 6:54 Yeah, it was really fucking good.

Joe Rogan 6:54 I filmed a Netflix special last weekend.

Abby Martin 6:57 How was it?

Joe Rogan 6:57 It was great. I'm very excited. Very happy. Can't wait.

Abby Martin 7:00 What is it called?

Joe Rogan 7:01 I haven't decided yet. The tour I was calling Strange Times 'cause, you know, obviously.

Abby Martin 7:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:05 We're in strange times. I might just keep that. I don't know. I may... might change the name. I don't know. I, I really haven't decided yet.

Abby Martin 7:11 I was impressed. There was a lot of really good jokes about Trump, which is... you would think would be easy, but I guess for comedians it's probably not easy because it's so satirical, what... the world that we're living in.

Joe Rogan 7:21 Yeah. Well, h- yeah. The problem is, reality is already a joke.

Abby Martin 7:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:25 It's like so... It's so crazy that you have to have... You have to figure out what is your unique perspective.

Abby Martin 7:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:32 You know, if you have one. You know? I just think we're very childlike in what we do with... in, you know, how we treat our leaders and how we choose our leaders, and I'm really fascinated by the cult of personality that goes behind really any big-time leader.

Abby Martin 7:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:50 Whether it's Trump or Obama.

Abby Martin 7:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:51 There's people that think that person can do wro- no wrong. I was very fascinated by that with Hillary. There was a f- a giant group of people-

Abby Martin 7:59 Totally.

Joe Rogan 7:59 ... that refused to look at any of the things that Hillary was doing that were wrong, any of the things like the Clinton Foundation or those speeches that she was giving to these bankers where she wouldn't release the transcripts or the lies that she would talk about, the difference between Comey's version of what the FBI had found her to have done wrong versus her version of it. And there's a video where you see the two of them back to back, and she's a deceptive person. She's clearly a liar. She's not... She's not a good person. She's not like this shining example of what we would like our leader to be. We'd like our le-... Like, love or hate Ob- Obama, what that guy was to me was like a statesman. Like he so... The way he would communicate was so calm and smooth and he was... You know, if you... even if you didn't like his policy, you gotta admit, the guy was v- incredibly articulate, b- beautifully literate. Like the way he would speak and communicate, he was well-read. Like he, to me, represented what I would like, uh, the version of the person who's running the big thing to be.

Abby Martin 9:02 And I think that's the whole crux of, of people who have brainwashed themselves into thinking there's some sort of like deep state, um, apparatus that's outing Trump. I think that the real problem... Look, the deep state is the military-industrial complex. They're winning at the end of the day, no matter what. Defense contractor stocks are skyrocketing. Trump is basically the de facto arms salesman and chief on the phone with the Japanese prime minister being like, "Hock these killer drones, bro." Like, "We gotta sell these surveillance drones." That's who's gonna win at the end of the day. The neoliberal establishment is who hates him because he removes the mask of empire.

Joe Rogan 9:33 Right.

Abby Martin 9:33 That's what he does. He removes the mask. He's making it less palatable to sell imperialism around the world, and I think that's, that's the crux of why you see kind of these think tankers and the liberals on, on TV. And, uh, we can get into this later, but there's a whole misnomer going on about the left and a mischaracterization about the left. The left has no fucking power in this country. The left has no voice in terms of news coverage. So all these people-

Joe Rogan 9:57 What about Rachel Maddow?

Abby Martin 9:58 She is not left. She is a neoliberal corporate shill.

Joe Rogan 10:02 You, you say that and so does Jimmy Dore. Jimmy Dore says the same thing. Yeah. He, he just thinks that she does not represent the left and that's-

Abby Martin 10:11 Not at all. I... There's a myth of, of the fact that the media is liberal in general. I think that, you know, TV culture aside, news is not... Uh, there is no liberal media. Media is owned by multinational corporations with conservative business owners that have interlocking boards of directorates at defense contractors, Monsanto, et cetera. Those people aren't fucking liberal, they're not left. They, they push down their policies. It doesn't matter if you're a Maoist working at Washington Times, you're not gonna be able to put out that contradictory narrative-

Joe Rogan 10:39 Yeah.

Abby Martin 10:39 ... that your shareholders are, are pushing. Um, it's, it's really unfortunate that the left has been basically... I don't know. I mean, they've just demonized the entire left where now you have the NRA fomenting civil war against the fucking left, Trump and all of his followers are just like, "The left is, is what's really wrong with this country," where there's no power. We don't have any power. You've given me... Like I have more of a platform than probably any other leftist because you have given me a platform on this show. When have you ever heard my views like on TV, ever? You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 11:11 Well, when you were on TV, I heard them. (laughs)

Abby Martin 11:14 (laughs) Which is why we go to RT. It's nuts, man.

Joe Rogan 11:17 Yeah, but that's a weird thing too, right? Because people think of Russia.

Abby Martin 11:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:21 You know, Russia is the great enemy, and you were on Russia today.

Abby Martin 11:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:23 Like, uh, Abby Martin's a... She's a tool of the Russians. The Russians. That the Russians... Like, the Russians were nothing forever. Like the Russians... Like, we got through the Cold War, like, "Oh, the Russians are our friends now." Whew.

Abby Martin 11:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:35 Because when I was in high school, we were always worried we're gonna get bombed by the Russians.

Abby Martin 11:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:39 That shit went away.

Abby Martin 11:40 Yeah, how does it feel to just have that back?

Joe Rogan 11:42 It feels weird. I don't believe it. I don't believe we're gonna get bombed by the Russians. I don't think we're gonna bomb them. I don't think they're gonna bomb us. I don't... I think as cliché as it sounds, mutually assured destruction is probably a really good incentive to not launch missiles into the air. I think that's still real.

Abby Martin 11:58 What do you think about the Syria stuff?

Joe Rogan 12:00 Scares the shit out of me.

Abby Martin 12:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:01 Every- everything... Just anything to do with ISIS, anything to do with like ideological warfare, all that stuff scares the shit out of me. You know, when you... when you see what people are capable of doing if they really believe in their cause and they really believe God's on their side, they really believe... And also, if you, you really believe you've been fucked over by the great Satan.

Abby Martin 12:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:23 All that stuff scares the shit out of me because most people are blissfully unaware of what the United States and, you know, what-... the, the commander in chief or whoever the fuck is pulling the strings is doing overseas and what the repercussions of those actions are gonna be.

Abby Martin 12:36 Yeah, that, that, the guy who I think... (sighs) I don't know when the Quebec mos- mosque shooting was, but his basically, his justification was, you know, "Islamic terrorism wanted, made me do this." So if that's the case, what are all the people that we kill with drones and, you know-

Joe Rogan 12:50 Yeah.

Abby Martin 12:50 ... we just killed the bride at a fucking wedding party in Yemen.

Joe Rogan 12:54 Is it another one of those?

Abby Martin 12:55 Yes. Just two days ago.

Joe Rogan 12:57 How many times can you bomb wedding parties?

Abby Martin 12:58 At least eight, I think.

Joe Rogan 12:59 That's our thing.

Abby Martin 13:00 Yeah, and it's deliberate because we're supplying intelligence and weapons to Saudi Arabia. It's not just, you know, we supply them weapons and turn a blind eye. We are supplying military intelligence and targets for them to bomb, and we are actively helping them do that. So yeah, they just bombed another wedding party on top of the funerals, hospitals, schools.

Joe Rogan 13:16 But why are they, why wedding parties? Is, is, was there someone in the wedding party they were trying to get or was it a mistake?

Abby Martin 13:21 I don't even know what the official line is, but how many wedding parties can you bomb before we draw our red line? I mean, it's just disgusting. And they killed the bride, they killed the fucking... So what are all these people who grow up... This was supposed to be the happiest day of their lives and now, you know, are they gonna grow up wanting to, to kill Americans? I mean-

Joe Rogan 13:37 Well, if you were a conspiracy theorist-

Abby Martin 13:37 ... blaming the American government?

Joe Rogan 13:39 Yeah, if you were a conspiracy theorist, that's what you would say. You would say the reason why they're doing this is that the United States wants an endless war. The best way to ensure an endless war is to occasionally blow up some people that really have no dog in the fight and you create a bunch of radicals. You, you create people that are hell-bent on revenge because of that. That's the real hardcore conspiracy theory, the Alex Jones take on it.

Abby Martin 14:02 I think that a, a, a good way to look at the world is, you know, there's the colonizers and colonized. The, the, the states that are basically remaining that we know that the establishment or the empire wants to take down, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, right? What, what do they all have in common? They're all, uh, independent of our economic hegemony. And so we use our economic and military might to commit violence around the world to subject these countries to bend to our will economically. And it's really obvious, and unfortunately people just continue to buy into this humanitarian bullshit propaganda no matter who's in office.

Joe Rogan 14:37 Yeah, it doesn't matter who's in office. If you look at like the actions that the Obama administration took versus the action the Bush administration took, they're super similar.

Abby Martin 14:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:45 You know?

Abby Martin 14:46 And this whole deep state thing, I mean, look is Giuliani a deep-

Joe Rogan 14:49 What do you think about all of that?

Abby Martin 14:49 I, I-

Joe Rogan 14:49 What is the deep state?

Abby Martin 14:50 Okay, so the deep state I think is the military-industrial complex. It's the machine that churns on no matter who is the commander in chief, it doesn't matter, right? It's just-

Joe Rogan 14:57 And they, they're not trying to get rid of Trump if that's the case.

Abby Martin 14:59 Absolutely not. They love him, dude.

Joe Rogan 15:01 Right.

Abby Martin 15:01 They love this. So look, Trump has a lot of enemies because he's scorched earth, like he pissed a lot of people off. So of course you have tons of people who hate him, you, it, it appears that the media is uniformly against him, but I think it's because-

Joe Rogan 15:14 Kanye loves him.

Abby Martin 15:15 (laughs) Kanye loves him. (laughs) Should we pull up that Kanye clip?

Joe Rogan 15:17 (laughs)

Abby Martin 15:17 Look up, okay, Kanye on, look up Vic Berger Kanye on Ellen. This shit's nuts.

Joe Rogan 15:23 Oh, Vic Berger on Twitter?

Abby Martin 15:24 Oh you, you've s-

Joe Rogan 15:24 Yeah, Vic Berger's an animal.

Abby Martin 15:25 Dude, he, have you seen the Ellen one where Kanye is on? Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 15:28 No. Is this recent?

Abby Martin 15:29 No, it's just amazing.

Joe Rogan 15:31 Oh, just something he put together?

Abby Martin 15:32 Yeah, let's watch it.

Joe Rogan 15:32 Oh, let me hear this.

Abby Martin 15:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:35 Hold on a second. Wait, look at Ellen.

Abby Martin 15:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:37 Just look at his face. When was this from?

Abby Martin 15:39 (laughs) I don't know.

Narrator 15:40 Do you want more children? Maybe.

Joe Rogan 15:49 We're looking at Kanye-

Narrator 15:50 Does Kim want more children?

Joe Rogan 15:52 ... make crazy faces.

Abby Martin 15:54 No, he gets really good.

Narrator 15:55 Like, like you want more? Does Kim want more? Ye is in the building. (audience cheering) Throw your motherfucking hands in the air right now. Put your hands in the air right now.

Abby Martin 16:07 Yeah?

Narrator 16:07 Put your hands in the air right... Throw your motherfucking hands in the air right now.

Joe Rogan 16:12 Now is this out of context?

Abby Martin 16:15 Yeah, no, no-

Joe Rogan 16:15 Or is that the real question? That can't have been the real question.

Abby Martin 16:16 No, no, no, no, no. Wait, it gets really good though. Hold on.

Narrator 16:21 Okay, I'm with you on- Ye is in the building.

Abby Martin 16:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:25 (laughs)

Narrator 16:25 Throw your motherfucking hands in the air right now.

Joe Rogan 16:29 What is he saying is in the building? Ye?

Abby Martin 16:30 Kanye is in the build- oh yeah, Ye's in the building.

Joe Rogan 16:32 Oh, Kanye's in the build- Ye is in the building.

Abby Martin 16:33 Oh, read this part.

Joe Rogan 16:35 What's dead?

Abby Martin 16:35 Picasso.

Narrator 16:36 Steve Jobs is dead. Walt Disney is dead.

Joe Rogan 16:40 Hmm.

Narrator 16:41 I'm dead.

Joe Rogan 16:42 What?

Abby Martin 16:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:44 Look at that one.

Narrator 16:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:49 Hmm.

Narrator 16:50 It ain't no joke, as Rakim said...

Joe Rogan 16:55 (laughs)

Abby Martin 16:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:56 Did you see that he wrote that he was gonna be the next president?

Abby Martin 17:00 Oh, good God.

Joe Rogan 17:00 He tweeted to Hari Lev- from TMZ, they, they call him erratic. He's like, "Please don't call me erratic, you're speaking to your next president."

Abby Martin 17:08 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 17:10 Hmm.

Abby Martin 17:10 Did you see Kim say like, "Look you guys, Kanye is just living in the future. In a couple years, um, someone else is gonna say what he does and you're gonna praise him."

Joe Rogan 17:18 Oh yeah.

Abby Martin 17:18 It's like really? Uh...

Joe Rogan 17:19 She's just trying to keep him home.

Abby Martin 17:20 (laughs) That's-

Joe Rogan 17:21 She's like, she's gotta say whatever she can to keep him from vanishing.

Abby Martin 17:24 It's so bizarre though.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Yeah.

Abby Martin 17:26 Right?

Joe Rogan 17:26 Yeah. I wish I knew what was really going on. Like, Jamie thinks it's a big part of it, a big publicity stunt because he's got an album coming out. Look at him, look at him nodding.

Narrator 17:34 A million percent.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Million percent. Interesting. That's a, that's a big number.

Abby Martin 17:36 Well there is a huge vacuum to be filled. All you have to do is be, you know, a token person and, like the Joey Villa woman who was like, "All right, I'm gonna wear a Trump dress to the Grammys and then I'm gonna, just gonna, you know, sell tons of records." Because there is a huge vacuum to be filled of, of Trump supporters who are looking for people like this.

Joe Rogan 17:51 There's definitely that. There's definitely that. It's fascinating to me.

Abby Martin 17:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:55 It's really interesting because he's changed the what, what's possible. And this is one thing that Trump has absolutely done. Like when he won, like that changes who can be president. It really does.

Narrator 18:07 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:07 Because it's now like, okay, we know that the, I mean, we've, we've already decided we're willing to elect someone that we know really probably shouldn't be doing it. So now what? Like, we're just electing a famous person?

Abby Martin 18:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:19 So who's, who's the next famous person?

Abby Martin 18:20 That's why, that's why people are like, "What about Oprah?"

Joe Rogan 18:23 Yeah.

Abby Martin 18:23 It's like, no.

Joe Rogan 18:24 Well how about fucking NBC tweeted, "Our president."

Abby Martin 18:28 Oh, my-

Joe Rogan 18:29 Like a speech by our president.

Abby Martin 18:30 So someone gives a good fucking speech and then we should vote them into office?

Joe Rogan 18:33 Who the fuck is in control of the NBC Twitter page?

Abby Martin 18:36 Well, it's insane.

Joe Rogan 18:37 Like, they wrote something about a speech from OUR, all caps, PRESIDENT. Like, what?Wait a minute.

Abby Martin 18:43 I thought the Rock was gonna run for a while, and then I was like-

Joe Rogan 18:46 I think it was.

Abby Martin 18:46 Yeah. Well, and then I saw-

Joe Rogan 18:48 I'm voting for him.

Abby Martin 18:48 ... that he had a, a big, uh, dinner with the Saudi King, and he was like, "Oh, man, like, next time I'm bringing the tequila to your house." And everyone was like, "Y- Saudi Arabia is a dry country, dude." Like, and he was like, "Oh, shit." And then he deleted that (laughs) Tweet. It's like, obviously you just drank a giant bottle of tequila with the King of-

Joe Rogan 19:01 And the King's not supposed to drink?

Abby Martin 19:02 ... Saudi Arabia. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:04 Oh. That's a mistake.

Abby Martin 19:05 And, and, um, who else was there? Oh, Morgan Freeman, the voice of God and Hillary Clinton's soul was, was with the Rock and the King of Saudi Arabia. Somehow this is cool. You know, but Bashar al-Assad is a monster, yet the King of Saudi Arabia is a cool dude who we should have dinner with. That makes sense.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Is this the young king that's trying to, like-

Abby Martin 19:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:20 ... modernize Saudi Arabia?

Abby Martin 19:22 The revolutionary.

Joe Rogan 19:22 Yeah. What is his deal? He's like, he locked up all those people for-

Abby Martin 19:26 Who the hell knows?

Joe Rogan 19:26 ... being corrupt.

Abby Martin 19:26 Probably to consolidate power. I mean, that was the line that came out was like, oh, he's, you know, he's revolutionary, he's a reformist. But I mean, I think that it was just to consolidate power as a power grab and you're gonna see these-

Joe Rogan 19:36 Someone's cynical.

Abby Martin 19:37 Hey, come on, it's fucking Saudi Arabia, dude.

Joe Rogan 19:40 (laughs)

Abby Martin 19:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:40 Listen, women can even drive there now, so why don't you relax?

Abby Martin 19:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:44 Can't they drive? Can they? They can, right? But not at night or something like that.

Abby Martin 19:47 Right. Right. They still have to have their male guardian-

Joe Rogan 19:48 Yeah. They can't look at men.

Abby Martin 19:49 ... escort them around.

Joe Rogan 19:50 Yeah.

Abby Martin 19:50 So dude, last time we were on, wow, crazy, crazy stuff happened after that, right?

Joe Rogan 19:57 Yeah.

Abby Martin 19:57 Huge ass smear campaign.

Joe Rogan 19:59 I got a gigantic, uh, pile of email, thankfully to the wrong email address-

Abby Martin 20:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:04 ... but I still was aware of them-

Abby Martin 20:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:06 ... uh, of a bunch of people. And it was the s- it was like a, a form letter, um, talking about how you're a liar and you're anti-Israel and none of this stuff is happening between, you know, Israel and the, the h- I just... Yeah. It was... It got weird. It got weird.

Abby Martin 20:25 Yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 20:25 It was like, uh, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds-

Abby Martin 20:27 Hundreds. And that-

Joe Rogan 20:27 ... of email. I don't even know how many were coming in.

Abby Martin 20:29 And that's, and that's a campaign.

Joe Rogan 20:30 Yeah.

Abby Martin 20:30 That's a campaign with large amount of money behind it because the Israeli lobby likes to come down very hard on people who speak out against the crimes of Israel. As you see, this is a third rail issue. No one talks about it, even though it's so fucking obvious. I mean, we hear the mantra "Putin kills journalists" all the time while Israeli forces are sniping dead journalists and children on camera, and yet the world turns a blind eye.

Joe Rogan 20:52 Well, someone got killed just a few days ago, right?

Abby Martin 20:54 A journalist just died yesterday.

Joe Rogan 20:56 Yeah.

Abby Martin 20:56 He was shot in the abdomen.

Joe Rogan 20:57 Was it a Palestinian?

Abby Martin 20:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:57 Yeah.

Abby Martin 20:57 They're all Palestinian. There's been no Israeli casualties, um, wounded or otherwise. But yes, Stand With Us is, uh, is directly funded by the Israeli government. It's part of their giant Hasbara operation. And that's... They made a video. They were promoting a video kind- trying to debunk what I said on here. Look, you can look at the Empire Files and see all of the documentation of what I said.

Joe Rogan 21:17 And that's your stuff, the Empire-

Abby Martin 21:17 That's all my stuff, yeah, the Empire Files dot-

Joe Rogan 21:19 Where is that?

Abby Martin 21:20 The empirefiles.tv. And it's a YouTube channel that you can subscribe to, too. But I mean, it's just very easy, easily verifiable facts, like that Israeli military law governs the West Bank. This is verifiable in five seconds on Amnesty International. So it was just very desperate measures to try to obfuscate what I was saying. And this is really all they have left because the tide is turning, man. I mean, look, Natalie Portman just signed on to boycott this conference in Israel, and they are running scared. I mean, they're trying to revoke her citizenship because she's basically participating in BDS, um, because she said recent events have made her greatly disturbed, as it should disturb everyone, the fact that there's this ongoing massacre. And if I could just explain to people what's going on really quickly, it is horrifying, you guys. I mean, there's a thing called The Great March of Return, and it's been completely nonviolent on the side of Palestinians. It's in Gaza, which is the open-air prison where about two million people are housed in cages like animals, and they're not allowed to leave. I can't think of any other place in the world that refugees actually can't leave. Otherwise, they'll be shot. So there's, like, Israeli guard posts surrounding this place. They count their calories. They, they don't let them have concrete, anything that, that can be construed as a weapon, etc. So anyway, they, they're protesting this, right? Because they have no dignity, no humanity, and no agency to live their lives. And so they're protesting non-violently. They're going up to the, to the fence and, you know, thousands and thousands of them and 40 people have just been executed. There's Israeli soldiers sitting up perched on a hilltop with sniper scopes. This isn't just random gunfire that people are being hit with. They are deliberately attacking every single person with headshots, with genitalia shots. It's sick. And press, there's people marked press. I mean, that's an egregious war crime. Yet you have Nikki Haley, uh, vetoing every single UN resolution or investigation into Israel. I can't imagine-

Joe Rogan 23:06 Why, why do you, why do you think that is?

Abby Martin 23:06 ... another country... So I think that, you know, look, Israel can only survive with US sponsorship. And we love to have that beachhead in the Middle East. We love to have that military garrison because we use Israel, like what happened in Syria. We used Israel to bomb Syria first to test the waters. We use Israeli forces to execute nuclear scientists in Iran. We use the Mossad to do all kinds of stuff. So we love to have that kind of, you know, military he- military post, outpost in the Middle East that we can use to try to intimidate all those post-colonial states that are independent or we want to overthrow. So I think that's why, you know, a lot of people say, "Oh, the lobby controls us," and I think that that's wrong. Um, I think that there's a lot of lobbies that have influence, but I think it's, it's more strategic than that. I really do.

Joe Rogan 23:52 And so... For the Palestinians-

Abby Martin 23:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:56 So the Palestinians that are trapped in Gaza-

Abby Martin 23:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:59 And if they leave, there's no other way to go other than through Israel?

Abby Martin 24:05 Yeah. Well, they... Yes. And a lot of people are like, "Oh, what about Egypt and, and Jordan? They can, they can try to go out that way." No. I mean, basically they're all in cahoots with the Netanyahu's administration, and they're all basically client states of the US. So no, they can't leave, and Israel controls their water, the passageways, everything that... They don't let them leave. Like a lot of these people who have been shot with sniper rifles can't even get treatment because they're denied treatment. So there's so many amputations that are totally unnecessary. So now you have like thousands of people who are just amputated. 5000 people have been shot with live ammunition.

Joe Rogan 24:38 And you've been there. And how much time did you spend when you were there?

Abby Martin 24:41 So I was in the West Bank for a month. Um-

Joe Rogan 24:43 And they let you go back and forth from Gaza to-

Abby Martin 24:46 No. Unfortunately, I was banned from Gaza because I was told I was a propagandist and I was not a real journalist and-

Joe Rogan 24:52 From-

Abby Martin 24:52 ... I was told I was an Iranian agent, which was confusing because I thought I was-

Joe Rogan 24:55 Who told you?

Abby Martin 24:55 ... a Russian agent.

Joe Rogan 24:56 Who was saying this?

Abby Martin 24:56 The press minister of Israel.

Joe Rogan 24:59 Oh.

Abby Martin 24:59 Yeah.Yeah, so I think they thought it was... They probably calculated that it would be less risky to just block me from entering than having me go in and show the horrors and, and the abuses that are going on there. But I mean, we're talking about executing children in s- sniper scopes, and there's videos of these soldiers gleefully laughing. They are literally like, "Man, did you see his legs go up?" Like, "Look at that shit, man. Oh, did you get a headshot?" IDF soldiers have T-shirts where they have pregnant women in crosshairs that says, "One shot, two kills." Like, these people-

Joe Rogan 25:29 What?

Abby Martin 25:29 ... are fucking sick. Yeah. Yes.

Joe Rogan 25:31 Is there a photo of that anywhere?

Abby Martin 25:31 Yes, there is. Gr- look it up. IDF soldier pregnant woman T-shirt. They also have crosshairs of, of babies, um...

Joe Rogan 25:39 What the fuck?

Abby Martin 25:40 Yeah. And then, and then not only that, but on top of all of this happening, you have colonial settlers who come down and they're cheering them on. They're like, "This is the best show in town." They're sitting there drinking coffee and beer and just cheering on this massacre that's been going on for four weeks.

Joe Rogan 25:56 Look at this.

Abby Martin 25:56 There it is. One shot, two kills.

Joe Rogan 25:58 Wow.

Abby Martin 25:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:00 That's crazy.

Abby Martin 26:02 So to Stand With Us, that, that organization-

Joe Rogan 26:04 This is a, this is a cr- that is a crazy-

Abby Martin 26:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:06 ... fucking T-shirt.

Abby Martin 26:07 Yeah. So Stand With Us and all these other organizations that work on the behest of the Israeli government to try to smear anyone who criticizes it, your time is up, man. People are waking up. You can't just keep executing people on camera and getting away with it. And, you know, if, if Stand With Us means stand with the snipers shooting kids from a sniper scope-

Joe Rogan 26:26 Why are they, why are they doing this? So-

Abby Martin 26:27 They want to terrorize and put fear in the hearts of these people. They don't want them to protest. They want them to sub- submit. They want them to submit, and they want... They basically have dehumanized them to the point where they, you know... You can't, you can't put a kid in a sniper scope and kill him unless you are... You've completely dehumanized him to the point where you think that he's an animal. Um, and that's just-

Joe Rogan 26:49 (laughs)

Abby Martin 26:49 That's just how it works. I mean, they've been so dehumanized there, it's not even funny. And what these people are asking is, is very simple. They want the right to return, which is authorized by the UN when the refugees were expelled in 1948, 750-

Joe Rogan 27:02 The right to return to Israel?

Abby Martin 27:04 The right to return to Israel and live as equal citizens. It's not about, you know, abol- like, it's not about expelling the Jews or, or people who live there. It's about living and coexisting and having equal rights, because right now there's an apartheid state where there's 50 discriminatory laws within Israel proper, not to mention the fact that the West Bank's under Israeli military law, not to mention the fact that Gaza is an open-air prison. So within Israel proper, there's apartheid too. So it's, it's sick. We are sponsoring this with $10 million a day. Israel would not survive without the US, which is why I focus on ending the US empire, because I'm like, it doesn't matter if everyone in the world boycotts Israel. We're still gonna subsidize the horrors and the daily atrocities with our tax dollars, and they're not gonna stop. And that's why this is so fucking brazen. Wow, have we been vindicated, Joe, because I can't think of another... I mean, when else have, has anyone done something this brazen, committing an ongoing massacre for a month straight, just sniping people who are completely un- unarmed? This is insane. The only thing I can think of that's slightly similar is when Israeli commandos hijacked that boat. There was a flotilla going to Gaza to bring wheelchairs because they don't allow wheelchairs in. That can be construed as a weapon, even though there's ton- tons of amputees. There was a boat going with aid workers and they were bringing aid supplies, and commandos jumped on the ship, like, helicoptered down and just started executing, like, people, humanitarians that were going to bring Gaza aid. And the news made it seem like there were... They were like, "Look at these people on the boat," like, hitting them with chairs and stuff. It's like, dude, they fucking propelled onto the boat and started executing people. Of course you're gonna use whatever you can to try to, like, ward off these soldiers. So that's the only other thing. And, and that really woke me up to the whole situation, is when I saw how the media was covering that massacre. So now seeing this, um, I don't know how they're getting away with it. I don't know how people have not woken up to this, but the media, the way that they're covering it, is atrocious. They're saying there's clashes. They're saying that the Palestinians are dying of head wounds. It's like, no, just say that they were executed with sniper scopes. Like, this is deliberate. Um, but the way that the media plays around and uses this passive voice is just nuts. It's whether it's Palestine, Venezuela, Syria, whenever you have, like, com- complete media uniformity just peddling a line, probably the truth is somewhere on the other side.

Joe Rogan 29:27 What does, what does Israel want? Like, as a state, like what do they want from the Palestinians? What do they expect? Do they expect-

Abby Martin 29:34 So-

Joe Rogan 29:34 ... to just keep the status quo, keep business going as usual, never let those people live a normal life? Like, what do, what do they want? And why do they have so much hate, and why, why haven't the Israeli people, like, seen the horrors of this and rebelled?

Abby Martin 29:48 Well, to be a leftist in Israel, it's, it's difficult, and to be an anti-Zionist, it's even more difficult because you're rejecting your entire, like, identity.

Joe Rogan 29:55 Your religion as well-

Abby Martin 29:56 Everything.

Joe Rogan 29:56 ... as your political identity.

Abby Martin 29:57 But look, it's a settler colonial state, just like, um, a lot of other, uh, things in, in the past. But this is different because it's ongoing, and ever since the inception of Israel to today, the colonizers who colonized that land always knew that there was an indigenous Arab population that they wanted to kill or expel. Um, and that's still the goal. Like, from Ben-Gurion himself, the, the original, you know, prime minister of Israel, I mean, he said, "There's so many Arabs here, we need to expel them and take the- their places." So it was never a land without a people and a people without a land. It was always overrun with Arabs, and they've always just wanted to expel the indigenous population so they can have an ethnosupremacist state. And that's really what it, what it is, and that's-

Joe Rogan 30:38 So can you be... I'm sorry to interrupt-

Abby Martin 30:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:40 ... you, but can you be a Muslim and live in Israel? Can you be a Muslim and live in Jerusalem?

Abby Martin 30:45 Yeah, but you... But there's so many discriminatory laws that are... that basically it's an apartheid state for-... non-Jews.

Joe Rogan 30:52 Like, in what way? Like, what are the laws that-

Abby Martin 30:54 Um, I mean, (sighs) there, uh, i- i-, there's so many things that, that people can check out. But, um, I would really recommend the work of Miko Peled and Rony Barkan. They're two anti-Zionist, Israeli-born Jews who, who have extensively talked about this. Um, but I mean, just, just in the roads. Like, there's settler-only roads compared to Palestinian-

Joe Rogan 31:13 Settler-only?

Abby Martin 31:14 Yeah. Compared to Palestinian roads. People have different license plates, you have different ID cards. Um-

Joe Rogan 31:19 So if you are a person who's-

Abby Martin 31:20 Segregated schools. Like, just all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 31:22 So you can't go to regular school?

Abby Martin 31:24 No, you can, but, but it's so segregated and hostile, and you're so indoctrinated from an early age to basically hate these people and think of them as the other. And, and I encourage everyone to check out interviews that I did with, with just average Israelis, um, in the streets, because the genocidal rhetoric is very apparent and it's very open. And these people-

Joe Rogan 31:43 Is there a good one-

Abby Martin 31:43 ... who are talking to me-

Joe Rogan 31:44 ... that we can play right now?

Abby Martin 31:45 Sure. Yeah. Check out Abby Martin, uh, Israeli's candid, candid interview with Israelis.

Joe Rogan 31:51 Did you have one opinion of that situation before you went there, and then a different one after you came back?

Abby Martin 31:56 Well, I didn't even know what Palestine was until I was 18 years old. So when people say, "Oh, you're only telling us one side of the story." Look, I didn't know the Palestine side of the story until I was an adult, which really should say something about our education system and our media, when you completely obfuscate an entire reality and are only told one side. Um, but before I went there, I, I, I, you know, I had a, a, a conception of what it was. But once you go, you really see how much worse it is.

Joe Rogan 32:24 It says, "Israeli party approves annexation plan." Oh, sorry, lost it.

Abby Martin 32:28 Um, is this the... Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:29 Uh-

Abby Martin 32:29 So go to...

Joe Rogan 32:31 Coerce Palestinian departure.

Abby Martin 32:33 Yeah, go, go forward, like, a, a minute or two. Go forward, like, two minutes. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:41 These people?

Abby Martin 32:42 After this. Keep going, keep going.

Joe Rogan 32:47 And what do you ask of these people?

Abby Martin 32:48 Okay, this is good too.

Joe Rogan 32:48 Okay.

Abby Martin 32:49 So, so yeah, start playing here. Um, so I... This is the thing, and also, the stand with us people in the Israeli lobby basically said, "Oh, you cherry-picked these interviews. You only picked, like, genocidal people to talk to." What the hell are you talking about? I was in Jerusalem, it was a place called Tolerance Square. It was a bustling shopping area. I spoke to people from all backgrounds, all walks of life. And I just asked them very simple questions. "What is it like to live here? How do you deal with the, you know, problems?" Um, and basically they just were very, very readily, like, comfortable to tell me very crazy, genocidal things, on camera. Like, no... Thinking that that would actually look good for an American audience. So keep that in mind when you check this out.

Joe Rogan 33:26 Let's hear some of it.

Abby Martin 33:26 A lot of people are sympathizing with the Palestinian plight. Um, can you talk about what it's like to kind of live in this situation?

Narrator 33:33 Uh, first of all, it's very hard. I also, I'm in org- organization. It's called Lahava. It's against the Jews shouldn't marry Arabs.

Abby Martin 33:46 Did you say the organization was, did what again?

Narrator 33:50 We... The organa- the organization is, the thing of it is to, that Jews shouldn't marry Arabs.

Abby Martin 33:57 Shouldn't marry Arabs.

Narrator 33:58 Yeah.

Abby Martin 33:58 Why do you feel strongly about that?

Narrator 33:59 Because Jews is a special nation, that God gave it to the Jews. And we don't want Jews to get mixed up with, together with a different nation.

34:09 I think Israelis have to take over, and, uh, they have to kick them, uh, kick them away. It will be much better not to, not to kill them, just to, to go back to, to Arab countries.

Abby Martin 34:29 As if they didn't live there.

Narrator 34:30 You can't deal with these people. There's no need to try. There's no need to talk to them. What we can do is when that they, they do enough harm, we retaliate. That's war, and that's the situation that any Jew lives in Israel has to deal with.

34:39 Arabic

34:40 Arabic

Joe Rogan 34:46 "The Arabs may their name and memory be alliberated." Obliterated?

Abby Martin 34:51 Obliterated. It's about to get really crazy.

Narrator 34:55 Arabic

Joe Rogan 34:55 "You have to kill terrorists. They need to be afraid to cause us anymore trouble. And all will be fine. They'll be in their villages, and we'll be here. We don't have to live together and everything will be just fine."

Narrator 35:06 I think also that, um, every Arab that doing a terrorism attack, uh, we have to kill him. And not because he's a Arab, because he's a terrorist. I think you should, uh, also kick out the family because it all begins with, uh, (Hebrew) . How you say?

Joe Rogan 35:19 Um, he's wearing a Sons of Anarchy T-shirt, by the way.

Abby Martin 35:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:22 Which is just so strange.

Narrator 35:24 Whatever they teach the kids, the kids does, you know? It's families.

35:27 I'm, uh, thinking that-

Abby Martin 35:28 This is the, this is insane.

Narrator 35:29 ... we need to, uh, (Hebrew) .

Joe Rogan 35:36 How do you say kick out the Arabs?

Narrator 35:38 Hebrew.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Come on, tell me the words. I don't know.

Abby Martin 35:42 She's like, "I don't translate."

Joe Rogan 35:42 I can't translate.

Abby Martin 35:43 'Cause she doesn't want to say it.

Narrator 35:44 I don't know how to translate (laughs) really well.

35:47 I, I think we should give them a country. If you doing any problem, you just going there to give them country and then it's gonna be a war between countries. You know? If they gonna throw rockets, we're gonna throw one big one and (clicks tongue) done.

36:02 I don't think there's any answer.

Abby Martin 36:03 This is insane.

Joe Rogan 36:04 Really?

Narrator 36:04 There's only one way to, like... I would carpet bomb them.

Abby Martin 36:07 You would carpet bomb them?

Narrator 36:08 That... It's the only, it's the only way you could deal with it. Like, or, or try to stop them a different way. It, it never worked.

Abby Martin 36:16 You mean, all Arabs are Gaza, or?

Narrator 36:20 I believe that they, like, I hope to believe they're, they're not, but I do think they are 'cause I never... I don't, I don't trust them.

Abby Martin 36:32 One more crazy one coming up.

Narrator 36:33 You can't trust them. And that's the only way I believe that... The only, the only way is just to stop it completely.

36:39 I think that, uh, we miserable the, the Arab is, uh, make a big boom and we need to kill the Arabis. (laughs)

36:51 The Arabs make a terr- a terrorist attack-

Abby Martin 36:52 You mean they kill Arabs?

Narrator 36:52 ... we need to kill the Arabs.

Joe Rogan 36:55 She's laughing.

Narrator 36:55 Okay.

Abby Martin 36:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:57 That's the-

Abby Martin 36:57 My friend's like, "Uh, all right."

Joe Rogan 36:59 Yeah.

Abby Martin 36:59 "Have a good day."

Joe Rogan 36:59 "We'll talk about this later," he says. (laughs)

Abby Martin 37:00 I mean, look, this is reflected in polls, um, a lot of people... Uh, uh, when you look at Israeli society, you know, it started off as kind of a socialist project with the kibbutzes, and now it's just turned into a fascist, uh, supremacist state where Netanyahu reflects the true face of Israel, just like Trump ref- reflects the true face of, of this country. And when it's getting too toxic for even Natalie Portman to be a, you know, this ambassador to Israel, you know that the tide is turning. But unfortunately, there's so much shit going on. Congress hasn't said anything. They just totally support this, man. And there's weird, like, BDS legislation trying to criminalize basically dissent, where you have contractors in Texas having to sign clauses, promise that they won't support boycott of Israel to... In order to rebuild hurricane homes.

Joe Rogan 37:45 What is BDS?

Abby Martin 37:46 Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions. It's the movement that Palestinians have asked us to help them to, you know, boycott, and, and that's what Stephen Hawking was all about. He b- he, he boycotted, um, scientific conferences in Tel Aviv. So this is what we gotta do, and we have to fight our government to stop endorsing these massacres and atrocities.

Joe Rogan 38:03 Well, obviously this attitude that these people have, it's coming from a place... And they were talking about terrorist attacks. Like, how many terrorist attacks are actually happening in Jerusalem or in, in Israel?

Abby Martin 38:12 Oh, you look at... If you look at the breakdown of terrorist attacks, how many are against soldiers? And that really gives you an insight. Look, these people are being occupied militarily. The occupation's illegal under international law. Um, and resistance is, uh, a lot of times acceptable under international law when you're being illegally occupied. So if you look at-

Joe Rogan 38:31 So there are terrorist attacks against Israel?

Abby Martin 38:33 Well, there... Y- y- look, not, not many. Um, and when you look at the actual amount of people who... When you look at those terrorist attacks and see h- how many are against soldiers, like how many stabbing attacks are against soldiers, uh-

Joe Rogan 38:44 Mm-hmm.

Abby Martin 38:44 ... the numbers become very different.

Joe Rogan 38:46 Don't you think it's, uh, it's a bit different in Israel, and they're more unified because of the fact that mandatory military service exists?

Abby Martin 38:52 Totally, totally.

Joe Rogan 38:53 So everyone is... If, if soldiers are attacked, citizens are attacked. They're all the same thing. Everyone is a soldier in Israel-

Abby Martin 39:00 Uh.

Joe Rogan 39:00 Essentially.

Abby Martin 39:01 Well, no, a lot of these are, like, aren't armed soldiers that are guarding posts and stuff.

Joe Rogan 39:04 Right, but I'm saying everyone identifies with that-

Abby Martin 39:06 Has that mentality.

Joe Rogan 39:06 ... because they have to do military time.

Abby Martin 39:08 Totally. Yup.

Joe Rogan 39:09 Yeah.

Abby Martin 39:09 Yup, yup, yup.

Joe Rogan 39:10 It's the same thing with South Korea. Eh, places that have mandatory military service, they have a totally different idea and concept of nationalism. So they think-

Abby Martin 39:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:18 Wh... Like if, if a military base got attacked in the United States, we would think, "Damn, soldiers got attacked." We wouldn't necessarily think of it the same way as if, say, Dallas got attacked.

Abby Martin 39:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:29 Someone... A terrorist attack happened in Dallas, we would think of it as an attack on American citizens, not just military. But their military is their citizens-

Abby Martin 39:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:39 ... because mandatory military service.

Abby Martin 39:41 Yeah, and what's really weird is during the last massacre in Gaza in 2014, like half of the Israeli soldiers that died were American because that's what colonial, that's what the colonial settlers are. They, they go over there from New Jersey, and they just post up in top of an Arab village and this is what's happening. I mean, it's sick.

Joe Rogan 39:57 Half of the soldiers that died-

Abby Martin 39:58 There's-

Joe Rogan 39:59 ... were American soldiers?

Abby Martin 40:00 I, I... A lot of them were. I'm not actually sure about the statistic.

Joe Rogan 40:02 But it was a large number?

Abby Martin 40:02 But I remember a lot where I was like, "Why are so many Americans going over there, 17-year-olds, and joining the IDF?"

Joe Rogan 40:09 Right.

Abby Martin 40:09 I mean, how bizarre is that? What kind of mentality do you have to have to move from, like, a comfortable suburb in Philadelphia to go, like, move on top of an Arab village and, and harass these people?

Joe Rogan 40:18 You think... Is it Jewish people that are doing this?

Abby Martin 40:20 Yes. No, that-

Joe Rogan 40:20 That wanna go back to the motherland?

Abby Martin 40:22 Yeah, yeah. There's a huge, um-

Joe Rogan 40:23 Yeah. There's always this desire to go to the motherland. Like, it's such a tribal thing.

Abby Martin 40:26 It is.

Joe Rogan 40:27 You know, the purest form of the, the conflict, right? Like, that's-

Abby Martin 40:31 Right. Touch the Wailing Wall and-

Joe Rogan 40:32 Yeah. I mean, that's the spot, right?

Abby Martin 40:34 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:34 It's the epicenter of conflict, too.

Abby Martin 40:37 That's why it's so sad that so many Palestinians can't ever go to Jerusalem, which is, uh... One of their holiest sites is there, and they're banned because, again, they're banned from everything. So...

Joe Rogan 40:46 So if you're a Palestinian and you live in Gaza, you're just, you're just stuck.

Abby Martin 40:51 You're stuck forever.

Joe Rogan 40:52 Forever.

Abby Martin 40:52 And that's why these people are re-... Like, people from America, they're like, "Why?" You know, that's why you have this mantra, like, "Oh, they wanna die. They raise their kids to be suicide bombers." No, when you're in Gaza, you are born dead. You don't have a life. So that's why these people are giving up their lives, to send a message to us. That's why they're doing this. That's the only reason they're doing this, is to send a message to us. "Help us." That's all they can do, is use their bodies.

Joe Rogan 41:18 So their concern is if they open up Gaza, the idea is that if the Palestinians come and they live in Israel with everybody else, that they're just gonna cause trouble and kill people and create suicide bombs and-

Abby Martin 41:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:31 ... that's, that's wh-

Abby Martin 41:32 That's the idea. That's what they say. Even though when I... And, and, and the Israeli lobby and the Stand With Us and all these people have said, you know, "You're, you're portraying us as, as really different than we really are," 'cause they like p- to portray themselves as this peaceful, loving, democratic nation, and they're like, "Palestinians will say s- the same thing about us." Not true. I was driving around in settler plates in a car that looked like I was a colonial settler. I did not hear one person say anything remotely genocidal about Jewish people. I talked to 50 to 100 people-

Joe Rogan 42:00 You look like you could be Jewish easy.

Abby Martin 42:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:02 You could fit right in.

Abby Martin 42:03 Yeah, I fit right in. Just move on top of an Arab village. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:06 (laughs)

Abby Martin 42:07 I mean, it's nuts. And thank you for letting me talk about this because it is difficult to talk about, and I'm sure it wasn't easy to get, you know, hundreds of, of emails telling you to denounce me and all that other stuff. I mean-

Joe Rogan 42:17 Well, w- we've been friends for a long time.

Abby Martin 42:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:19 I know you.

Abby Martin 42:20 And-

Joe Rogan 42:20 I'm not denouncing you. (laughs)

Abby Martin 42:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:22 But-

Abby Martin 42:22 And you know it's coming from somewhere coordinated. That that's a thing.

Joe Rogan 42:25 Yeah.

Abby Martin 42:25 There's a lot of money behind these attack campaigns, so...

Joe Rogan 42:28 Well, I, and I understand their perspective if they don't have the same experience that you've had being over there and expe- I mean, there's a lot of people over here that ex- are extremely loyal to Israel that have never stepped foot in Israel.

Abby Martin 42:40 Totally.

Joe Rogan 42:40 You know? And maybe they haven't experienced what you've experi- Well, not maybe. Most likely. It's just terrifying to me.

Abby Martin 42:49 It's sad.

Joe Rogan 42:49 Forget about whether it's Israel or Palestine. Forget about what it is. The, the idea that people could be stuck...... born stuck in this spot and really have no recourse and now- nowhere to go, and just be thought of by people that live just a few miles away from you that you're subhuman. And then the fact that someone can make that T-shirt with one bullet, two kills and show a pregnant woman with crosshairs on her belly, that scares the shit out of me. That's, that is Nazi Germany. I mean, the, the fact that they can't understand that this treatment of the Palestinians in that T-shirt is essentially the same way the Nazis were looking at the Jews, is treating people as the other. It's a very difficult to understand quality of human psychology, is that when we're in conflict with another nation, another person, we think of them as less than us, like literally less human, not human, the enemy. They're that thing that we have to stop, and it's been a part of warfare since the beginning of k- time.

Abby Martin 43:49 Absolutely. That's what's so trippy to me about, like, the British, uh, occupation of Ireland, because it, these ... You know, I mean, I don't know if you've seen-

Joe Rogan 43:55 Yeah.

Abby Martin 43:55 ... that movie The Wind That Shakes The Barleys. Holy shit, that's a great movie.

Joe Rogan 43:58 No, I haven't.

Abby Martin 43:58 Ah. I mean, it's just nuts because I can see, like, the conflicts around the world and, you know, the otherism is usually someone who looks different than you and-

Joe Rogan 44:07 Mm-hmm.

Abby Martin 44:07 But this is, like, all white dudes who, like, all speak the same language-

Joe Rogan 44:10 Yeah.

Abby Martin 44:10 ... and they're just massacring each other-

Joe Rogan 44:13 Yeah. I was in Belfast-

Abby Martin 44:14 ... massacring each other.

Joe Rogan 44:14 ... a few years back.

Abby Martin 44:15 It's nuts.

Joe Rogan 44:16 I did a show out there and after the show, we went outside, and the cars, the police cars, they looked like they were in the craziest fucking war zone you'd ever seen. They ... First of all, the entire thing, the front of the car was completely covered in thick steel. They had this big steel grate over the windshield, they had bomb, like, bomb shielding all over the car. We were looking at the cop car, we're like, "What the fuck is this?" Like, "Oh yeah, man, this is when the IRA was bombing. This is what they did. They just started m- m- setting everything up like this." And we were talking to this driver, and the driver was explaining to us what it used to be like when, you know, they were at war, and what people had done to people that knew him. And, you know, just people that look incredibly similar to each other, again, speaking the same language-

Abby Martin 45:05 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:06 ... just gutting each other in the street, torturing each other, killing each other, Protestants versus Catholics. I mean, it's that thing that humans do, where they treat an enemy as a, something less than them, the- the other, and just decide that that's the red team and we're the blue team, so fuck them.

Abby Martin 45:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:24 That i- that is a scary, creepy fucking thing that humans are capable of.

Abby Martin 45:28 I'm not really ... Yeah, I'm confused about the whole religious, um, like, how it grew into a religious conflict. Because originally, it was just the British colonial overlords, like, harassing the fuck and beating the hell and raping women who were just Irish in, in these villages and towns. And, you know, how m- much can you subjugate other people and put them in cages, like in Gaza, or do this and, and harass them and humiliate them until they do something about it?

Joe Rogan 45:54 Yeah.

Abby Martin 45:54 I mean, that's just the nature of human beings. You can't cage people.

Joe Rogan 45:58 Well, if anybody wants ... I- if you really want peace on Earth, the, the w- I mean, f- is that really possible, first of all, right? There's always a question, like, we're so tribal and people are so committed to their side and their team, and is it ever possible to eliminate all war? But the first step has got to be y- y- ... We have to be able to identify with those people and see their plight, and understand ... Put yourself in their position. If you were born in Gaza, if you were born, you know, in Northern Ireland in-

Abby Martin 46:30 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:30 ... back when the war was going on, if you were born ... I mean, f- pick a s- pick a spot where there's a conflict. You've got to be able to realize, like, we got lucky. You got lucky.

Abby Martin 46:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:39 We got lucky we live in California. We got lucky ... I got lucky I was born in New Jersey. We got lucky we're not in Gaza. We got lucky we're not where, wherever it is, wherever the conflict is. I- if you can't see that, if you've blocked off that aspect of your perception, that that is, this is a classic trait that human beings have exhibited since probably the beginning of tribal l- life, the beginning of, like, organized groups of people living together in a community, fighting against all outsiders. And it's almost like ingrained in our DNA, the l- the way we stay alive is anybody who's outside of us, fuck them.

Abby Martin 47:15 Well, like you said, we're only two people ago. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:18 Yeah.

Abby Martin 47:18 It's like, literally, like-

Joe Rogan 47:20 Yeah. It's crazy.

Abby Martin 47:20 I mean, how, how crazy is that?

Joe Rogan 47:22 That's crazy. Yeah.

Abby Martin 47:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:23 Yeah. Three people ago, we had slaves.

Abby Martin 47:26 (laughs) Three people ago.

Joe Rogan 47:26 Three people ago. Yeah.

Abby Martin 47:28 That's it.

Joe Rogan 47:28 People live to be 100.

Abby Martin 47:29 That's it.

Joe Rogan 47:29 Yeah. That's real. I mean, th- and n- no one says that, you know?

Abby Martin 47:32 No.

Joe Rogan 47:32 They don't look at it. Like, human beings, we, we rely on information, right? We rely on, like, "Oh, that's what's going on? Oh, I didn't know." You know, like, we ... Most of us don't know. You're just driving in your car, you're doing your life, you, you're really not getting information from all over the globe.

Abby Martin 47:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:49 How many people accurately even understand why North Korea hates us so much?

Abby Martin 47:53 Oh, no one.

Joe Rogan 47:55 And what ... D- the amount of fucking shit we dropped on them during the war-

Abby Martin 47:59 We killed 20% of their population.

Joe Rogan 48:01 Yeah.

Abby Martin 48:01 20%!

Joe Rogan 48:02 Yeah.

Abby Martin 48:03 Imagine.

Joe Rogan 48:03 Yeah.

Abby Martin 48:03 How many millions of Americans is that?

Joe Rogan 48:05 And we're like, "Ah, that wacky Kim Jong Un, his fucking haircut."

Abby Martin 48:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:08 "You know what he did? He's crazy. He has ... Dennis Rodman comes over there. They play basketball."

Abby Martin 48:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:13 I mean, that's re- ... Literally, most people, that's the, the extent of their understanding of why North Korea distrusts the United States.

Abby Martin 48:20 Even though, after we decimated, you know, the entire country, all the infrastructure, dropped napalm over the entire country, where we actually retreated only because there was no infrastructure left to bomb. And for the past, I don't know, 70 years, North Korea has literally been building up defenses to p- to prepare for the next time that they know that that will happen. And we're like, "Oh my God, they're so fucking crazy. Look at this crazy military fascist state."

Joe Rogan 48:42 Yeah.

Abby Martin 48:42 It's like, well, I mean, there's a reason behind all these things. They don't happen in a vacuum.

Joe Rogan 48:47 I was r- reading an article today about how their nuclear test site is imploding.

Abby Martin 48:52 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Like, they've, they've blown up so much over there that the fucking ground's caving in. They're opening up a portal to hell.

Abby Martin 48:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:58 Like, (laughs) like, they're blowing a hole through the Earth.

Abby Martin 49:00 But something really good could come out of it with the, the peace talks.... President Moon of South Korea and Kim Jong Un and now-

Joe Rogan 49:07 Yeah.

Abby Martin 49:07 ... Trump is forced to, to jump on board. And if Trump can, can pull this off, then more power to him, man.

Joe Rogan 49:12 That's got to be so strange, the North Koreans and South Koreans looking exactly the same, staring at each other across a line. You know, back when I was, uh, competing in Taekwondo, it was, uh, the, you know, Koreans are extremely nationalistic and, uh, the South Koreans and the North Koreans, you know, they would occasionally compete in North Korea.

Abby Martin 49:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:32 It was, you know, it's got to be so bizarre to think that if you zigged, if your ancestors zigged instead of zagged, if you were born, uh, like 50 miles that way, you'd be North Korean and you'd be stuck under the ruling of this fucking wacky son and instead you're over here making Samsung phones.

Abby Martin 49:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:53 You know? (laughs)

Abby Martin 49:53 Well, for the first couple of decades, South Korea was ruled by dictators also-

Joe Rogan 49:58 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Abby Martin 49:58 ... who were just as crazy. So this whole like, "Oh, we're, we weren't friends with him because of h- him being a dictator," it's like, no, you just were trying to, you know, the whole communism.

Joe Rogan 50:04 Well, we supported one side.

Abby Martin 50:05 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:06 And the side we supported makes kick ass electronics. (laughs)

Abby Martin 50:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:10 And they're addicted to plastic surgery. Have you seen what they're doing with women's eyes over there?

Abby Martin 50:14 No.

Joe Rogan 50:15 Oh my goodness.

Abby Martin 50:16 What?

Joe Rogan 50:16 Women in South Korea, it's so common that they get their eyes done. They get their eyes done like an anime character.

Abby Martin 50:24 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 50:25 They get their lids cut.

Abby Martin 50:25 Like widened?

Joe Rogan 50:26 Yeah, they get-

Abby Martin 50:27 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 50:27 ... their lids cut and pulled up so that they have these giant Western eyes, but exaggerated. And it's so common that, like, if you didn't know any better, you would think that this is like, oh, well some people look like this.

Abby Martin 50:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:41 No. There's so much plastic surgery over there that it's extremely common for these women to get these weird fucking eyes. Jamie, see if you can pull it up because, uh, this is something that I became aware of, uh, right... Jesus. I want to say like eight or nine years ago when I was like, I just thought it was just a girl that looked like that.

Abby Martin 51:00 Nowhere.

Joe Rogan 51:00 Like, that's not even a good example. That, that girl still looks Asian. That's a, a boy. Like, look at what they're doing.

Abby Martin 51:06 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 51:07 They're, they're, they're westernizing their eyes, but there's some, there's some really g- that guy got his jaw done. He looks better on the right.

Abby Martin 51:15 (laughs) No way.

Joe Rogan 51:15 But, like, that one. That's a good example.

Abby Martin 51:17 Wow.

Joe Rogan 51:18 You see what they're doing? It's like they're doing this strange thing with their eyes where they're making their eyes larger.

Abby Martin 51:24 Yeah, like a cartoon.

Joe Rogan 51:24 Yeah. But it's extremely common.

Abby Martin 51:26 And whitening cream is-

Joe Rogan 51:28 Yeah.

Abby Martin 51:28 ... is huge too there.

Joe Rogan 51:29 Yeah. See? They're, they're changing-

Abby Martin 51:31 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 51:32 ... their eyes. Before, after. Yay. Look.

Abby Martin 51:35 That sucks.

Joe Rogan 51:35 So much more eyelashes. Well, I wonder what was going on... Yeah.

Abby Martin 51:39 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 51:39 See, this girl.

Abby Martin 51:40 It looks painful.

Joe Rogan 51:41 Yeah, I'm sure it sucks. But afterwards, she gets so much more dick.

Abby Martin 51:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:45 Like, (laughs) I, I mean, it's... Well, I wonder f- first of all, I wonder why genetically their eyes are like that. That's interesting-

Abby Martin 51:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:53 ... to think of. Like, what... Like, we know that the reason why people in England and Ireland and in these northern climates, like, why they became so pale. They became so pale-

Abby Martin 52:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:03 ... because they had a very strong lack of vitamin D because there was no sun in the air. So they're, they're basically like a reflector for the sun. They try to absorb as much sun as possible because they live in this cloudy area as opposed to our great, great ancestors who lived in Africa. And that's, that's literally why white people exist.

Abby Martin 52:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:20 We're just Africans with a lack of vitamin D.

Abby Martin 52:23 So race is a, is a construct?

Joe Rogan 52:25 Oh, fuck, most certainly is, but it's also observable, right? Like, like, there's a clear ancestral origin to certain body types and diets. Like, there's certain people that live in, um, parts of West Africa that are just fucking phenomenal runners and there's no denying that.

Abby Martin 52:40 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:40 There's certain traits that people have that you can clearly say... I think the real problem is when we say race.

Abby Martin 52:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Like, the real problem... And then that gets us tribal again.

Abby Martin 52:49 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:49 That's us versus them again because it's just humans. It's just humans that, that's, they're all, it's one race, but humans that live in high altitude climates, that are-

Abby Martin 52:59 Totally.

Joe Rogan 52:59 ... much more adapted to low oxygen environments. Humans that live in, like, the Inuit, that live in extreme cold climates and have no access to vegetables, they adapt to this specific fat rich diet. Their hands, uh, are less likely to get cold. They actually developed, like, a genetic predisposition to, uh, d- for, for their, their ability to withstand cold with their hands. Like, we would go over there and we'd fucking... Our hands would be numb, we'd be like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

Abby Martin 53:27 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:27 And they would just be, like, playing piano and shit.

Abby Martin 53:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:29 Like, it wouldn't even bother them. Like, this, this is genetic. I mean, this is because their bodies have adapted. But they're one race.

Abby Martin 53:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:36 It's just humans are malleable. We're super flexible.

Abby Martin 53:39 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:39 You know, and we could s- you could see that in your lifetime, right? I mean, if someone works out, they develop more muscle, they get stronger. And then there's the concept of epigenetics and the, but the possibility that some of these traits and some of these learned behaviors you're passing on to your children through genes, so.

Abby Martin 53:55 Have you seen Animal Planet?

Joe Rogan 53:57 What, what do you mean, the... What is it? The t-

Abby Martin 53:59 So it's-

Joe Rogan 53:59 Is it a show?

Abby Martin 54:00 Yeah, it's a show that it shows how, um, animals and, and the symbiotic relationship between humans and animals. It's really-

Joe Rogan 54:06 Mm.

Abby Martin 54:06 ... insane and there's a whole Inuit, um, section, but there's, like, you know, tribes in, in the jungle and stuff who will work with birds to get beehives and the birds will get the reward and get some honey.

Joe Rogan 54:17 Oh, wow.

Abby Martin 54:17 And then if you, and then if you don't give them any honey, then they'll trick you and take you to, like, a non-beehive tree.

Joe Rogan 54:22 (laughs)

Abby Martin 54:22 I mean, they're just, it's just nuts and then helping humans fish and... Man, Blue Planet II is also pho-fucking-nomenal.

Joe Rogan 54:30 Mm.

Abby Martin 54:30 You have to... You would love it-

Joe Rogan 54:32 Okay.

Abby Martin 54:32 ... dude. There's an octopus-

Joe Rogan 54:33 I love those things.

Abby Martin 54:33 ... who makes a seashell suit. He literally makes a suit of armor out of shells-

Joe Rogan 54:37 Wow.

Abby Martin 54:38 ... to block himself from a shark. It's nuts.

Joe Rogan 54:41 Wow.

Abby Martin 54:41 It's super nuts.

Joe Rogan 54:42 Yeah. Animals are huge. I mean, th- they're weird and-

Abby Martin 54:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:45 ... we're, we're, we're animals, you know?

Abby Martin 54:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:47 We don't like to think we are-

Abby Martin 54:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:48 ... because we can talk and sing songs and shit and get our eyes done.

Abby Martin 54:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:51 But we're (laughs) we're, we're animals in some sort of strange way. We-

Abby Martin 54:56 We're the same as Trump.

Joe Rogan 54:57 (smacks lips) Yeah. For sure.

Abby Martin 54:58 Do you see those big boxy suits? Somehow... He's got a good ass tailor, man.

Joe Rogan 55:02 Well, my favorite thing-

Abby Martin 55:02 Because he doesn't look obese-

Joe Rogan 55:03 It is-

Abby Martin 55:04 ... but he is.

Joe Rogan 55:04 ... the Trump statue. Jamie and I were talking about it yesterday. In the... Which was it? The presidential...... House of Wax or some shit.

Abby Martin 55:11 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 55:12 The Disney one.

Abby Martin 55:13 Please tell me it's bad.

Joe Rogan 55:14 It's crazy. It's like they're-

Abby Martin 55:15 Let me see it.

Joe Rogan 55:15 ... punking him.

Abby Martin 55:16 No way, that's great.

Joe Rogan 55:17 Oh. Have you ever seen it? Look at it. Look at it.

Abby Martin 55:18 Yes, I love it. Oh my God-

Joe Rogan 55:19 Look at it.

Abby Martin 55:19 ... it's so good.

Joe Rogan 55:20 Look at it. Cr- make that larger so you can see what it looks like.

Abby Martin 55:23 Operation Mind-

Joe Rogan 55:24 Disney World.

Abby Martin 55:24 ... Fuck Trump.

Joe Rogan 55:24 Robot Trump-

Abby Martin 55:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:26 ... debuts at Disney World. But I'm telling you, it doesn't look anything like him. Like, if I was the person who created... Like, look, that's George Washington, seems normal. But look at the Trump one.

Abby Martin 55:34 Wait.

Joe Rogan 55:34 Like, what in the fuck is that? It doesn't look anything like him.

Abby Martin 55:38 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Like, look at it.

Abby Martin 55:40 So disturbing.

Joe Rogan 55:40 Can you pause that, Jamie?

Abby Martin 55:41 He looks like he's like 20 years older than he is.

Joe Rogan 55:43 He doesn't even look like him. I mean, whoever that artist is, like he's got to be punking him. There's, there's no way. He, like did some weird shit to his jaw, his jaw's like extended and creepy. He made his neck skinnier.

Abby Martin 55:56 He was the same artist that did the Cristiano... Cristiano Ronaldo, uh, bust. You saw that right?

Joe Rogan 56:01 No.

Abby Martin 56:01 It just looks... He looks pretty much the same, it's just-

Joe Rogan 56:03 See if you can go find a photo of it, 'cause in high res photos, this is a low res video, it's difficult to see how shitty it is. But it's so shitty that it looks fake.

Abby Martin 56:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:12 Like, like, no, this is not really the one.

Abby Martin 56:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:15 Like, no, they don't... They fucking commissioned an artist, and this is the artist's creation.

Abby Martin 56:18 Where is this animatronic wax-

Joe Rogan 56:20 It's a good question.

Abby Martin 56:21 ... museum?

Joe Rogan 56:21 I don't know, but I'm going.

Abby Martin 56:22 (laughs)

Narrator 56:22 I've never been to this, it's in Disney World, it's the whole president.

Abby Martin 56:24 Why is Trump's family-

Narrator 56:24 Disney World or Land?

Abby Martin 56:25 ... so inbred looking?

Narrator 56:28 World, I believe. Yeah, Disney World.

Joe Rogan 56:28 Um, do you think they look inbred?

Abby Martin 56:30 Eric Trump?

Joe Rogan 56:31 He looks odd.

Abby Martin 56:32 He looks like he has no-

Joe Rogan 56:32 Here it is.

Abby Martin 56:33 ... like upper gums-

Joe Rogan 56:34 There it is.

Abby Martin 56:34 ... or something.

Joe Rogan 56:34 Like, look at that, come on.

Abby Martin 56:35 Oh my God, that's horrifying.

Joe Rogan 56:36 They're punking him. They're punking him.

Abby Martin 56:37 That's horrifying. Good. Good.

Joe Rogan 56:38 (laughs) But either way, good or bad, this is clearly... Wow, it does look like cavalry.

Abby Martin 56:43 Is that the wax museum of Hillary?

Narrator 56:45 No, it looks terrible, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:45 Oh.

Abby Martin 56:45 No, do not tell me that's... No.

Joe Rogan 56:47 Okay, they suck.

Narrator 56:48 I don't think it is.

Abby Martin 56:48 Okay, this is... Fire this guy.

Joe Rogan 56:50 Look at the Obama one, that's terrible. They just suck. I could do better than that. I suck at sculpting.

Abby Martin 56:53 This is like a knockoff wax museum.

Joe Rogan 56:54 This is it.

Abby Martin 56:54 Look at all the... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:56 (laughs)

Abby Martin 56:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:56 Look how bad that is.

Abby Martin 56:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:57 Th- That doesn't look anything like him.

Abby Martin 56:59 Oh God, I... Turn it off. I can't. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:01 It's great that they, they can do, like Jefferson and Lincoln, all that stuff, 'cause all they had was drawings.

Abby Martin 57:07 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 57:08 You know?

Abby Martin 57:09 Terrible.

Joe Rogan 57:09 Yeah, it's pretty bad.

Abby Martin 57:11 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 57:11 I don't know how we got onto that. Oh, humans, malleable-

Abby Martin 57:14 Humans. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:14 ... humans. Yeah. I mean, I'm hoping, you know, in t- um, but just like slavery doesn't exist anymore in the United States-

Abby Martin 57:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:21 ... at least, I'm hoping that as time goes on, there's gonna be less tribalism. And that as human beings are able to freely travel and communicate with each other, that we're gonna be dealing with less of this, but...

Abby Martin 57:32 Isn't it sad that it seems like it's almost getting worse, even though we have all the information available at our fingertips, we're still... Like, we just elected someone who basically got famous politically because he said Obama was a secret Muslim and Kenyan terrorist.

Joe Rogan 57:43 People love hearing that shit. They love hearing that shit, and they don't want to hear anything differently. Do you know what's going on right now-

Abby Martin 57:47 It's insanity.

Joe Rogan 57:48 ... between Yeti Coolers and the NRA?

Abby Martin 57:50 No.

Joe Rogan 57:50 It's fascinating, 'cause this just shows how tribal and crazy people get. Yeti Coolers, they canceled some... They had these programs, like go to, go to, uh, do you know my friend Ben O'Brien's Instagram? Do you know that?

Narrator 58:07 I saw it on Adam GreenTree, I think.

Joe Rogan 58:09 Yeah, put it on Adam GreenTrees and we'll, we could read it. But what, what Yeti did, they discontinued these, I forget what they, the, the way they desc- they described the program. But they had a bunch of outdated, um, incentive programs, where like, you know, like if you signed up for something you get a discount, like a discounted program. Here it is.

Abby Martin 58:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Discount.

Abby Martin 58:30 What is Yeti?

Joe Rogan 58:30 Outdated discounting program. Yeti makes super high end coolers.

Abby Martin 58:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 58:35 They're like really expensive, but they literally will keep ice for days.

Abby Martin 58:39 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 58:39 You could put ice in them and go to the desert, and five days later you have ice in that cooler. And I'm not bullshitting.

Abby Martin 58:44 Put your elk meat in it.

Joe Rogan 58:45 They're fucking phenomenal.

Abby Martin 58:46 Love it.

Joe Rogan 58:47 They... That's exactly what I do with it.

Abby Martin 58:48 Nice.

Joe Rogan 58:48 Um, they're phenomenal. So anyway, they notified the NRA and the organization has changed. Yeti explained to them that they're offering an alternative customization program broadly available to consumers and organizations, including the NRA Foundation. So then the NRA releases this statement that Yeti Coolers doesn't want to work with the NRA anymore, they don't support the Second Amendment, so fuck them. So people start blowing up their Yeti Coolers.

Abby Martin 59:14 (laughs)

Narrator 59:15 (laughs)

Abby Martin 59:15 Just like the Keurig coffee maker. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:16 I'm not kidding. They filled their Yeti Coolers up with that thermite shit, or what, what is that stuff? Not thermite. What's that explosive shit?

Abby Martin 59:22 I know exactly what you're talking about.

Joe Rogan 59:24 You know what I'm talking about?

Abby Martin 59:24 'Cause Steven Paddock had a bunch of that shit in his car. Um-

Joe Rogan 59:26 What is that shit?

Abby Martin 59:27 ... tritium. Not tr-

Narrator 59:28 Shite, right?

Joe Rogan 59:28 Whatever the f- Is that what it is?

Narrator 59:30 Sorry.

Joe Rogan 59:30 Yeti supporters blowing up Yeti Coolers.

Abby Martin 59:32 What is it?

Joe Rogan 59:32 Yeti says it's all big-

Abby Martin 59:33 He says it's all big mistake.

Joe Rogan 59:33 Look at this. Look at this.

Abby Martin 59:34 No, he'll be like, "No." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:34 Boom.

Narrator 59:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:36 So he's like-

Abby Martin 59:36 Idiots.

Joe Rogan 59:36 ... "Yeah, yeah, fuck. This is what I think about Yeti Coolers. You can suck my dick, I'm American." So they filled it up-

Abby Martin 59:41 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 59:41 ... with this explosive shit. And by the way, these coolers are fucking expensive. They're super engineered and, you know, they start at like 300 bucks. Uh, so this is-

Abby Martin 59:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:51 Look at them blowing this thing.

Abby Martin 59:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:53 I'm telling you, these people are just looking for an excuse to blow shit up.

Abby Martin 59:57 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 59:57 But there's a great quote in this article. What, what is this article from? What is this website?

Narrator 1:00:01 Yeah, Washington Post.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 This is The Washington Post?

Abby Martin 1:00:02 This is nuts.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Um, there's, there's a great quote in this article that sort of highlights how fucking preposterous this all is. It's... Well, I mean, I don't think it's The Washington Post one.

Abby Martin 1:00:11 These people are such babies.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 The thing... It's-

Abby Martin 1:00:13 Good God.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 But I, I don't think it's that. What I really think is that they want an enemy. They're happy when something happens.

Abby Martin 1:00:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 And even though Yeti's explained, no, their whole fucking business is hunters and fishermen-

Abby Martin 1:00:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 ... and anglers.

Abby Martin 1:00:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 They're not anti-NRA, they're definitely not anti-Second Amendment. Like, fucking relax. So even after they put out that statement, the NRA doubled down and released another statement. "You know you made a big mistake, and now you're paying for it." Woo!

Abby Martin 1:00:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 Let's blow up some more.

Abby Martin 1:00:40 Blow them up, kids. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 I, I really think we have a real problem. And especially there's a real problem in that regard, because they need to understand, everyone needs to understand, we, we should all... Anybody that supports any outdoor activities has to understand that the conflict, if you have any internal conflict against each other... Like, but the thing about-... hunters and fishermen, all these people, what their real opposition is, is animal rights activists and radical, uh, animal liberation organization-type people. That's the real enemy. The enemy isn't Yeti Coolers who makes their business selling shit to hunters and fishermen and anglers. Like, these people are crazy. So this conflict just shows to me, like, people are just looking for a fight.

Abby Martin 1:01:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Like-

Abby Martin 1:01:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 ... you know how long it takes to get all that fucking explosive shit and put it in a cooler? This has just happened.

Abby Martin 1:01:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 And these guys, "We're ready! We got some explosives!"

Abby Martin 1:01:33 "What did they say about Yeti? Get it out of the fucking explosives, kid!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 "Put it in the field! Let's get the camera ready. Gotta put this up on Facebook."

Abby Martin 1:01:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 "I need to get some likes." And they, boom! And they're blowing up these fucking $300, $500 coolers.

Abby Martin 1:01:46 Good.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 They're crazy.

Abby Martin 1:01:47 Buy 'em. Buy 'em up.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Yeah, but now, these, this, also, is really fascinating. Here, I'll, I'll send this to you, Jamie, 'cause I sent it to-

Abby Martin 1:01:53 Unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 ... to my friend Ben O'Brien who's freaking out about this 'cause Ben is, uh, he's, he's an executive at Yeti. My buddy Ben. And, you know, I sent him this thing where all these other coolers, um, all these other cooler companies are freaking out and jumping in and saying, "We're all sick and-" It's on Deadspin. Here Jamie, I'll send it to you right now.

Abby Martin 1:02:15 Well, these people kill me. All, all these alt-right ... I mean, I don't know if they're alt-right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 That's not even alt-right.

Abby Martin 1:02:19 But a lot of people who say, um, "Liberals are snowflakes and you, and you cry about everything."

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:02:24 It's like, dude, you guys are ... Literally have built careers off being victims.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:02:27 I mean, what is happening here? I mean, I know that this is not exactly the same thing, but it kind of is ridiculous, don't you think?

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Well-

Abby Martin 1:02:34 The protests, you throw your Keurig coffee maker out there and smash it-

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:02:36 ... with a bat.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Well, that's Sean Hannity. He speaks the truth.

Abby Martin 1:02:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 And these goddamn liberals are trying to silence the truth, and I'm not having it from Keurig. You wanna boycott Sean Hannity?

Abby Martin 1:02:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 I'm gonna boycott you. Like the Laura Ingraham thing was fascinating. Right? Uh, uh, here it is. Bison Coolers. Look at these people. "Only tap like if you have a Second Amendment-supporting-"

Abby Martin 1:02:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 ... family-owned, made in the USA cooler company."

Abby Martin 1:02:58 We're not like Yeti. We ain't like Yeti.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 "Yeehaw!"

Abby Martin 1:02:58 We love Trump! We love guns and we love Trump.

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 "Join the herd," it says. Look at that. "Join the herd." How about join the herd what?

Abby Martin 1:03:06 "Join the herd."

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 The flock, you mean.

Abby Martin 1:03:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Of sheep, you fuck.

Abby Martin 1:03:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 You're trying to get people to be sheep. Like, join the herd? What are you ... Why would you say herd? Are people cattle, you crazy asshole?

Abby Martin 1:03:15 Right. Yeah. They're-

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 There's a-

Abby Martin 1:03:16 They're speaking to an audience there.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 There's a gwreat, great quote in that. Scroll down a little bit, Jamie. Scroll down a little bit.

Abby Martin 1:03:21 Oh my God. The Second Amendment, like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 Is that it? Oh, stop. (mimics whooshing) So here it is. Scroll down.

Abby Martin 1:03:25 (laughs) The YouTube video.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 Scroll down so I can read that bottom text. It says, "So here we find ourselves in the midst of a dumb-as-rocks arm race between essentially indistinguishable cooler brands-"

Abby Martin 1:03:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 "... all trying to declare their undying devotion to guns more fervently than their rivals. The whole shit is exactly as stupid as it seems. And amid the fog of marketing bullshit and bad-faith NRA posturing, there's one truth that none of this can ... none of this mess can obscure: $479.99 is too much to pay for a cooler."

Abby Martin 1:03:53 Thank you. (laughs) (clapping)

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Well, I disagree-

Abby Martin 1:03:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 ... 'cause they're solid fucking coolers. They're, they're very ... They're worth it. If you can keep ice-

Abby Martin 1:03:59 If you're using it for what you're using it for, that's different.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 Yeah. If you need ice, if you go hunting y- or camping, you can keep ice-

Abby Martin 1:04:05 Or organ harvesting.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 ... in that thing for five fucking days.

Abby Martin 1:04:06 Very important to-

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:04:08 ... to keep those organs fresh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 They're insanely good coolers. But who wrote that article? Give that guy some fucking props.

Abby Martin 1:04:12 Most hilarious, man.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 The Deadspin author.

Narrator 1:04:14 Patrick Redford.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 God bless you, Patrick-

Abby Martin 1:04:17 Props. Props, Patrick.

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 ... for that dumb-as-rocks quote. (laughs)

Abby Martin 1:04:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 That is fucking so stupid. They're blowing up coolers.

Abby Martin 1:04:23 This is what our discourse has become.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:04:24 We've be- ... It's like mass hallucinations on both sides of the political aisle. You're either a Russian bot or troll, or you're-

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:04:29 ... everything's fake news-

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 Right.

Abby Martin 1:04:31 ... and it's all, you know, QAnon, like this rabbit hole.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 Or you're a libtard.

Abby Martin 1:04:35 You're a libtard or a snowflake. It's ...

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 Let's talk about that other thing.

Abby Martin 1:04:38 The QAnon thing?

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 No. The guy who blew up ... Or, the guy who ran over those people-

Abby Martin 1:04:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 ... that is, uh ... What is the new word? Incel? What is the word?

Abby Martin 1:04:45 Incel. It's, um-

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Incel. Incel?

Abby Martin 1:04:47 ... involuntary celibate.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:04:49 Yeah, so this is-

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 So these people are killing people because ... Now, Bourdain was tweeting that there's, like, some sort of a rebit ... Reddit forum with all these folks, and there's like 40,000 members.

Abby Martin 1:04:58 Oh, totally. Well, the, the guy who shot a bunch of women in Santa Barbara a couple years ago-

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 Yes.

Abby Martin 1:05:02 ... he was also like, "I'm so attractive. Why don't you guys wanna have sex with me?" It's like a ... Look, it doesn't matter what you look like. There's healthy, loving relationships that exist for everyone.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Yeah, he was a little cutie.

Abby Martin 1:05:12 Um, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 The little murderer. He was a little cutie.

Abby Martin 1:05:14 So it's just crazy to me when people-

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 It's like, we just need to be better friends.

Abby Martin 1:05:16 ... blame women and are violent misogynists because they are, you know, um, on a ... They think that they're unattractive and they're basically just blame, like, attractive women for not having sex with them. It's really disturbing. And this guy apparently mowed down a bunch of people in Toronto because he, he was one of these people.

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 "Incel's creating rules, and honestly, this sickens me." What?

Narrator 1:05:35 This is the, uh, the whole thread at pace.

Abby Martin 1:05:37 This is the Reddit ... Oh, God. Don't go down this, this rabbit hole.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Incel tears.

Narrator 1:05:41 Incel tears, 70,000.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 70,000 now, but I think it was 40,000 yesterday. So there's, like, a bunch of goofballs that just signed up just to, just to read, see what the fuck's going on over there-

Abby Martin 1:05:50 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 ... 'cause people are freaking out. But the idea ... Okay, here it is. "Incel Tears is a place for folks to submit screenshots, not direct links, of crazy stuff posted by self-described incels." Oh, okay.

Abby Martin 1:05:59 Oh, okay. So it's making fun of them.

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 So this is, this is the mocking one.

Narrator 1:06:02 Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:06:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 There's another one, though. There's another one that Bourdain was p- quoting.

Narrator 1:06:06 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 Look-

Abby Martin 1:06:07 So disturbing.

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 ... it's fucking hard out there for a pimp. I get it, but n- don't take a truck and run over a bunch of civilians 'cause you can't get laid. Just ... Shouldn't there be, like, classes that teach people how to be nice so people like them? (laughs)

Abby Martin 1:06:19 It's nuts, man.

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 Like, there's those pickup artist type guys who do, like, seminars on how to pick people up.

Abby Martin 1:06:25 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Narrator 1:06:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 Shouldn't there be like, like, "Hey, this is how to be a nice person."

Abby Martin 1:06:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 Like, "This is how ... You want ... What? You want a girlfriend? Oh, okay. Well, you gotta be someone that people wanna be with." Like-

Abby Martin 1:06:33 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 How do you do that?

Abby Martin 1:06:34 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 Well, some people don't know how to do it.

Abby Martin 1:06:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:36 Some people are just socially fucked up and-

Abby Martin 1:06:38 They live on Reddit, they don't leave their basement, and this is what comes out of it. It's really unfortunate. They need to interact with normal people in society and realize that there's some- someone for everyone. I mean, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 Not really, though.

Abby Martin 1:06:51 (laughs)

Narrator 1:06:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 There could be.

Abby Martin 1:06:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 Maybe there are, right? You gotta find a incel women. Are there in- ... There's no incel women. Women can always get laid, right? There's no such thing.

Abby Martin 1:06:59 Something tells me there's no incel women. Well-

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:07:01 ... you know, I know that ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:03 ... but, I mean, did you hear about this term before this-

Abby Martin 1:07:06 I did not know about this term before, no.

Joe Rogan 1:07:08 How many of these terms are out there that we don't know about that are gonna blow up in our face?

Abby Martin 1:07:10 (sighs) Yeah, right? I mean, that are gonna commit massacres, and then we're gonna have to find out about some other weird subculture on Reddit that has been...

Narrator 1:07:19 There's multiple of them. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 (laughs) It's a fucking weird time to be alive, like the weirdest I think in history.

Abby Martin 1:07:26 It's really insane. I mean, like I said before, the mass hallucinations. There's no way to have actual dialogue or discourse about reality because you're a Russian bot.

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:07:36 The liberals have not... And I mean, the liberals meaning the neoliberal, the think tank establishment, the people that people call leftists, which is a misnomer. But those people are so in denial about the fact that Trump won, that they still just have to blame Russia for the fact that Trump is our president. They can't accept that he won-

Joe Rogan 1:07:52 Yeah.

Abby Martin 1:07:52 ... democratically.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 No.

Abby Martin 1:07:53 Um, so it's really pathetic that now you have them suing the DNC over this erroneous fraudulent lawsuit that's basically threatening press freedom. They're basically saying if you publish leaks, including Trump's tax returns, you could even say... I mean, this is what journalists do. They publish things that are-

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 Sure.

Abby Martin 1:08:08 ... that people give them. That's ec- economic espionage, they said. So this is like, this has profound im- implications for press freedom, and it's incredible how desperate they are. They're, they're slapping a lawsuit on Julian Assange, who's still arbitrarily detained in an embassy, going on-

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 Didn't they cut off his internet?

Abby Martin 1:08:23 Yeah, they cut off his internet.

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 So how's he get online?

Abby Martin 1:08:25 He is not online. He's, they basically are trying to force him out at this point.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 And if they force him out, they're just gonna jail him on trumped-up charges-

Abby Martin 1:08:32 They have, yep.

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 ... because they're trying to get him on this sex charge, but hasn't that sex charge been dropped?

Abby Martin 1:08:36 It was dropped. Uh, there's a lot of weird things about it initially. I don't know, um, you know, all I know is that Assange, uh, they, they basically said that they could not promise that he won't be extradited to the US, which means they will extradite him to the US. And we've already had Pompeo, who's the psychotic Koch brother shill who just got appointed, um, said he, he wants to basically see