Joe Rogan Experience #1111 - Abby Martin

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (humming) Five, four, three,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (humming) Five, four, three, two, one. (light switch clicking) Abby Martin, ladies and gentlemen. How are you?

   2. AMAbby Martin0:08

      Great. How are you?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Good day to be here.

   4. AMAbby Martin0:09

      Yes. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      A lot of crazy shit's going down.

   6. AMAbby Martin0:11

      Exactly.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      It's a crazy day for Bill Cosby, whoopsies.

   8. AMAbby Martin0:14

      Hey, I'm, I'm reeling in that news, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Yeah. I th- I was, uh, I was wondering what was gonna happen, 'cause the first one was a mistrial? Is that what happened?

   10. AMAbby Martin0:22

       Yeah. But what ... So what's the difference between this one? Is this a civil suit or is this ...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       I think these are ...

   12. JVJamie Vernon0:28

       Yeah, he was-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       These aren't civil.

   14. JVJamie Vernon0:29

       ... convicted of a- this was a, the retrial. So he got convicted of-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Yes.

   16. AMAbby Martin0:33

       Nine-

   17. JVJamie Vernon0:33

       ... felony-

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Yeah.

   19. AMAbby Martin0:33

       ... three charges, right?

   20. JVJamie Vernon0:34

       ... assault.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Felony sexual assault, three different counts. Each one carries, I think, at least 10 years. He could go to jail for 30 years, which is death for him.

   22. AMAbby Martin0:42

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       I mean, he's-

   24. AMAbby Martin0:43

       He's already blind.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Yeah. He's very ... Yeah. He's a ... He could barely see, right?

   26. AMAbby Martin0:48

       Good. I, I'm so happy that he's getting charged at the end of his life. That's amazing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       He's a creepy dude.

   28. AMAbby Martin0:53

       He liked to have sex with lifeless, dead bodies.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yeah. We were trying to ... I mean, purely speculation, right? Like what would cause someone to want to do that? Like what-

   30. AMAbby Martin1:02

       Mm-hmm.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. …

   1. AMAbby Martin15:00

      love him, dude.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      Right.

   3. AMAbby Martin15:01

      They love this. So look, Trump has a lot of enemies because he's scorched earth, like he pissed a lot of people off. So of course you have tons of people who hate him, you, it, it appears that the media is uniformly against him, but I think it's because-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      Kanye loves him.

   5. AMAbby Martin15:15

      (laughs) Kanye loves him. (laughs) Should we pull up that Kanye clip?

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      (laughs)

   7. AMAbby Martin15:17

      Look up, okay, Kanye on, look up Vic Berger Kanye on Ellen. This shit's nuts.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      Oh, Vic Berger on Twitter?

   9. AMAbby Martin15:24

      Oh you, you've s-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Yeah, Vic Berger's an animal.

   11. AMAbby Martin15:25

       Dude, he, have you seen the Ellen one where Kanye is on? Oh, man.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       No. Is this recent?

   13. AMAbby Martin15:29

       No, it's just amazing.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Oh, just something he put together?

   15. AMAbby Martin15:32

       Yeah, let's watch it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Oh, let me hear this.

   17. AMAbby Martin15:34

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       Hold on a second. Wait, look at Ellen.

   19. AMAbby Martin15:37

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Just look at his face. When was this from?

   21. AMAbby Martin15:39

       (laughs) I don't know.

   22. NANarrator15:40

       Do you want more children? Maybe.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       We're looking at Kanye-

   24. NANarrator15:50

       Does Kim want more children?

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       ... make crazy faces.

   26. AMAbby Martin15:54

       No, he gets really good.

   27. NANarrator15:55

       Like, like you want more? Does Kim want more? Ye is in the building. (audience cheering) Throw your motherfucking hands in the air right now. Put your hands in the air right now.

   28. AMAbby Martin16:07

       Yeah?

   29. NANarrator16:07

       Put your hands in the air right... Throw your motherfucking hands in the air right now.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       Now is this out of context?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   So can you be...…

   1. AMAbby Martin30:00

      um, a lot of other, uh, things in, in the past. But this is different because it's ongoing, and ever since the inception of Israel to today, the colonizers who colonized that land always knew that there was an indigenous Arab population that they wanted to kill or expel. Um, and that's still the goal. Like, from Ben-Gurion himself, the, the original, you know, prime minister of Israel, I mean, he said, "There's so many Arabs here, we need to expel them and take the- their places." So it was never a land without a people and a people without a land. It was always overrun with Arabs, and they've always just wanted to expel the indigenous population so they can have an ethnosupremacist state. And that's really what it, what it is, and that's-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      So can you be... I'm sorry to interrupt-

   3. AMAbby Martin30:40

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:40

      ... you, but can you be a Muslim and live in Israel? Can you be a Muslim and live in Jerusalem?

   5. AMAbby Martin30:45

      Yeah, but you... But there's so many discriminatory laws that are... that basically it's an apartheid state for-... non-Jews.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:52

      Like, in what way? Like, what are the laws that-

   7. AMAbby Martin30:54

      Um, I mean, (sighs) there, uh, i- i-, there's so many things that, that people can check out. But, um, I would really recommend the work of Miko Peled and Rony Barkan. They're two anti-Zionist, Israeli-born Jews who, who have extensively talked about this. Um, but I mean, just, just in the roads. Like, there's settler-only roads compared to Palestinian-

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:13

      Settler-only?

   9. AMAbby Martin31:14

      Yeah. Compared to Palestinian roads. People have different license plates, you have different ID cards. Um-

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       So if you are a person who's-

   11. AMAbby Martin31:20

       Segregated schools. Like, just all that stuff.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       So you can't go to regular school?

   13. AMAbby Martin31:24

       No, you can, but, but it's so segregated and hostile, and you're so indoctrinated from an early age to basically hate these people and think of them as the other. And, and I encourage everyone to check out interviews that I did with, with just average Israelis, um, in the streets, because the genocidal rhetoric is very apparent and it's very open. And these people-

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       Is there a good one-

   15. AMAbby Martin31:43

       ... who are talking to me-

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:44

       ... that we can play right now?

   17. AMAbby Martin31:45

       Sure. Yeah. Check out Abby Martin, uh, Israeli's candid, candid interview with Israelis.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       Did you have one opinion of that situation before you went there, and then a different one after you came back?

   19. AMAbby Martin31:56

       Well, I didn't even know what Palestine was until I was 18 years old. So when people say, "Oh, you're only telling us one side of the story." Look, I didn't know the Palestine side of the story until I was an adult, which really should say something about our education system and our media, when you completely obfuscate an entire reality and are only told one side. Um, but before I went there, I, I, I, you know, I had a, a, a conception of what it was. But once you go, you really see how much worse it is.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:24

       It says, "Israeli party approves annexation plan." Oh, sorry, lost it.

   21. AMAbby Martin32:28

       Um, is this the... Yeah, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:29

       Uh-

   23. AMAbby Martin32:29

       So go to...

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:31

       Coerce Palestinian departure.

   25. AMAbby Martin32:33

       Yeah, go, go forward, like, a, a minute or two. Go forward, like, two minutes. Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:41

       These people?

   27. AMAbby Martin32:42

       After this. Keep going, keep going.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:47

       And what do you ask of these people?

   29. AMAbby Martin32:48

       Okay, this is good too.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:48

       Okay.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      And, you know, just people that look incredibly similar to each other, again, speaking the same language-

   2. AMAbby Martin45:05

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      ... just gutting each other in the street, torturing each other, killing each other, Protestants versus Catholics. I mean, it's that thing that humans do, where they treat an enemy as a, something less than them, the- the other, and just decide that that's the red team and we're the blue team, so fuck them.

   4. AMAbby Martin45:24

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:24

      That i- that is a scary, creepy fucking thing that humans are capable of.

   6. AMAbby Martin45:28

      I'm not really ... Yeah, I'm confused about the whole religious, um, like, how it grew into a religious conflict. Because originally, it was just the British colonial overlords, like, harassing the fuck and beating the hell and raping women who were just Irish in, in these villages and towns. And, you know, how m- much can you subjugate other people and put them in cages, like in Gaza, or do this and, and harass them and humiliate them until they do something about it?

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:54

      Yeah.

   8. AMAbby Martin45:54

      I mean, that's just the nature of human beings. You can't cage people.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:58

      Well, if anybody wants ... I- if you really want peace on Earth, the, the w- I mean, f- is that really possible, first of all, right? There's always a question, like, we're so tribal and people are so committed to their side and their team, and is it ever possible to eliminate all war? But the first step has got to be y- y- ... We have to be able to identify with those people and see their plight, and understand ... Put yourself in their position. If you were born in Gaza, if you were born, you know, in Northern Ireland in-

   10. AMAbby Martin46:30

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       ... back when the war was going on, if you were born ... I mean, f- pick a s- pick a spot where there's a conflict. You've got to be able to realize, like, we got lucky. You got lucky.

   12. AMAbby Martin46:39

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       We got lucky we live in California. We got lucky ... I got lucky I was born in New Jersey. We got lucky we're not in Gaza. We got lucky we're not where, wherever it is, wherever the conflict is. I- if you can't see that, if you've blocked off that aspect of your perception, that that is, this is a classic trait that human beings have exhibited since probably the beginning of tribal l- life, the beginning of, like, organized groups of people living together in a community, fighting against all outsiders. And it's almost like ingrained in our DNA, the l- the way we stay alive is anybody who's outside of us, fuck them.

   14. AMAbby Martin47:15

       Well, like you said, we're only two people ago. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan47:18

       Yeah.

   16. AMAbby Martin47:18

       It's like, literally, like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:20

       Yeah. It's crazy.

   18. AMAbby Martin47:20

       I mean, how, how crazy is that?

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:22

       That's crazy. Yeah.

   20. AMAbby Martin47:23

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:23

       Yeah. Three people ago, we had slaves.

   22. AMAbby Martin47:26

       (laughs) Three people ago.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:26

       Three people ago. Yeah.

   24. AMAbby Martin47:28

       That's it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:28

       People live to be 100.

   26. AMAbby Martin47:29

       That's it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:29

       Yeah. That's real. I mean, th- and n- no one says that, you know?

   28. AMAbby Martin47:32

       No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:32

       They don't look at it. Like, human beings, we, we rely on information, right? We rely on, like, "Oh, that's what's going on? Oh, I didn't know." You know, like, we ... Most of us don't know. You're just driving in your car, you're doing your life, you, you're really not getting information from all over the globe.

   30. AMAbby Martin47:48

       Mm-hmm.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:09:05

   Yeah, Washington Post. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      from? What is this website?

   2. NANarrator1:00:01

      Yeah, Washington Post.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      This is The Washington Post?

   4. AMAbby Martin1:00:02

      This is nuts.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      Um, there's, there's a great quote in this article that sort of highlights how fucking preposterous this all is. It's... Well, I mean, I don't think it's The Washington Post one.

   6. AMAbby Martin1:00:11

      These people are such babies.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      The thing... It's-

   8. AMAbby Martin1:00:13

      Good God.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      But I, I don't think it's that. What I really think is that they want an enemy. They're happy when something happens.

   10. AMAbby Martin1:00:20

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

       And even though Yeti's explained, no, their whole fucking business is hunters and fishermen-

   12. AMAbby Martin1:00:25

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       ... and anglers.

   14. AMAbby Martin1:00:26

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       They're not anti-NRA, they're definitely not anti-Second Amendment. Like, fucking relax. So even after they put out that statement, the NRA doubled down and released another statement. "You know you made a big mistake, and now you're paying for it." Woo!

   16. AMAbby Martin1:00:39

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

       Let's blow up some more.

   18. AMAbby Martin1:00:40

       Blow them up, kids. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       I, I really think we have a real problem. And especially there's a real problem in that regard, because they need to understand, everyone needs to understand, we, we should all... Anybody that supports any outdoor activities has to understand that the conflict, if you have any internal conflict against each other... Like, but the thing about-... hunters and fishermen, all these people, what their real opposition is, is animal rights activists and radical, uh, animal liberation organization-type people. That's the real enemy. The enemy isn't Yeti Coolers who makes their business selling shit to hunters and fishermen and anglers. Like, these people are crazy. So this conflict just shows to me, like, people are just looking for a fight.

   20. AMAbby Martin1:01:26

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       Like-

   22. AMAbby Martin1:01:26

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       ... you know how long it takes to get all that fucking explosive shit and put it in a cooler? This has just happened.

   24. AMAbby Martin1:01:31

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       And these guys, "We're ready! We got some explosives!"

   26. AMAbby Martin1:01:33

       "What did they say about Yeti? Get it out of the fucking explosives, kid!" (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       "Put it in the field! Let's get the camera ready. Gotta put this up on Facebook."

   28. AMAbby Martin1:01:40

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

       "I need to get some likes." And they, boom! And they're blowing up these fucking $300, $500 coolers.

   30. AMAbby Martin1:01:46

       Good.

Episode duration: 2:16:35