Joe Rogan Experience #1116 - Steven Tyler

Joe Rogan 0:00 ... four, three, two, one, boom.

Steven Tyler 0:05 Ow!

Joe Rogan 0:05 We've done a thousand what? How many podcasts? 1,116. Steven Tyler is the only man to bring a crystal ball.

Steven Tyler 0:14 Mm.

Joe Rogan 0:15 You're the first.

Steven Tyler 0:16 Because you got to bring it with you when you come.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Do you bring that everywhere?

Steven Tyler 0:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:23 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 0:24 You know, I'll, I'll bring it with me to Maui. I'll bring it w- with me to, to, uh, Europe. Yeah. For the long ones.

Joe Rogan 0:29 What is the deal? What is it?

Steven Tyler 0:30 It's just I'm into crystals. I just-

Joe Rogan 0:32 It's pretty. Very pretty.

Steven Tyler 0:33 It's got a beautiful occlusion, and when you get the light just right on it, just like me on stage at night when the light is just right.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Mm.

Steven Tyler 0:39 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 0:40 I feel you, I feel you. Dude, you look fucking fantastic for 70.

Steven Tyler 0:43 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 0:43 Can I just tell you?

Steven Tyler 0:44 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 0:44 I found out you were 70, I was like, "Holy shit. You look really good."

Steven Tyler 0:47 And here I was gonna-

Joe Rogan 0:48 Your skin looks amazing.

Steven Tyler 0:49 Why, thank you.

Joe Rogan 0:50 It really does.

Steven Tyler 0:50 Thanks. And I walk around like this and wonder why everybody's fucking taking pictures and busting my chops. Walking through the airport, I actually have a T-shirt that says, "Go fuck your selfie."

Joe Rogan 1:02 Oh.

Steven Tyler 1:02 'Cause you're walking with the dogs-

Joe Rogan 1:03 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:03 ... you're walking with a girl, you're wa-... And they come over and wanna stop and take a selfie so I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:07 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:07 Thank you. Thank you for that.

Joe Rogan 1:08 It's the new world.

Steven Tyler 1:09 It's good living.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Is that what it is?

Steven Tyler 1:10 Well, I don't know. I spent, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:12 Something.

Steven Tyler 1:13 ... 30 years of it on drugs and drunk, so.

Joe Rogan 1:15 Maybe the crystal helped you.

Steven Tyler 1:16 I think so. I say, I say-

Joe Rogan 1:18 Might've done something.

Steven Tyler 1:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19 How long you been carrying that thing around?

Steven Tyler 1:21 I don't. It's, it lives at my house. I got, I have one I do keep in my pocket with me.

Joe Rogan 1:25 You do?

Steven Tyler 1:26 It's not here today.

Joe Rogan 1:27 Oh. What is that?

Steven Tyler 1:30 (snaps knife)

Joe Rogan 1:30 You bring a switchblade? (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:32 Jesus Christ. (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:34 Joe Perry and I got a thing. You know, we-

Joe Rogan 1:36 Both bring switchblades?

Steven Tyler 1:37 Wow. We just collect knives, man. We just... W- you know, I'm such a country boy, and when I did Idol, every night when I walked out on stage and it went (singing) , and I'm walking next to J.Lo and Randy, my knife was right in my pocket.

Joe Rogan 1:51 What, in case someone jumped you?

Steven Tyler 1:52 And never said one thing. No, opening my fan mail.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Oh, okay.

Steven Tyler 1:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55 Switchblade to open fan mail. (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:57 It's, it's fun. It's a cool thing. It's fun.

Joe Rogan 2:00 You don't-

Steven Tyler 2:00 I don't often carry it, but I, I thought because I think you're so fucking cool that I would bring a couple of cool things from my house. You know, I'm just like that.

Joe Rogan 2:08 Oh, thank you.

Steven Tyler 2:09 I'm one of those guys that when I leave the house, I go s-... I say, "Goodbye, house."

Joe Rogan 2:12 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 2:12 Remember, I got a son and three daughters.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Right.

Steven Tyler 2:15 So, and I know after watching... What was the... W- what was your last...

Narrator 2:20 Triggered.

Steven Tyler 2:20 Triggered. That you got a bunch of kids too.

Joe Rogan 2:22 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 2:23 And it starts wearing off on you.

Joe Rogan 2:25 I see.

Steven Tyler 2:25 And I think it's a beautiful thing.

Joe Rogan 2:26 I think it's a beautiful thing too. You're, you're a-

Steven Tyler 2:28 You have three girls.

Joe Rogan 2:28 Yes.

Steven Tyler 2:28 Your wife and two girls.

Joe Rogan 2:30 I have three girls. Three daughters.

Steven Tyler 2:31 Th-... Oh, it's... It will happen to you. I do too.

Joe Rogan 2:34 Oh, yeah. You're a legit eccentric. Like, there's some people that pretend to be eccentric.

Steven Tyler 2:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:38 You're like a legit one.

Steven Tyler 2:40 I am, and I love it. In fact, I love me.

Joe Rogan 2:44 It's good to love you.

Steven Tyler 2:44 More than that, I love us.

Joe Rogan 2:46 I love us too.

Steven Tyler 2:47 I love us. I say that all the time.

Joe Rogan 2:48 I'm super happy about this.

Steven Tyler 2:50 I'm so fucking excited.

Joe Rogan 2:51 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 2:51 I gotta... Seriously, though, I gotta ask you. What the fuck do you eat for breakfast?

Joe Rogan 2:56 Um-

Steven Tyler 2:56 How did you get so fucking smart?

Joe Rogan 2:58 Oh, I'm not that smart.

Steven Tyler 2:59 Like, what, like-

Joe Rogan 2:59 I just remember things.

Steven Tyler 3:01 Okay, 'cause then-

Joe Rogan 3:01 There's a difference.

Steven Tyler 3:02 Well-

Joe Rogan 3:02 There's a difference between being smart and just remembering a lot of shit.

Steven Tyler 3:05 Okay.

Joe Rogan 3:06 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 3:06 You remember things?

Joe Rogan 3:06 Yeah, I'm not that smart.

Steven Tyler 3:08 Well, remembering things is huge.

Joe Rogan 3:10 It helps. It certainly helps.

Steven Tyler 3:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yeah, but what is smart, right? Smart is like can you solve equations, can you figure things out that other people can't figure out, do you know things other people don't know. No. I just remember shit that smart people have already figured out.

Steven Tyler 3:23 But you accumulate situations-

Joe Rogan 3:26 Yeah. Accumulate.

Steven Tyler 3:26 You know, it's like Jimi Hendrix said-

Joe Rogan 3:27 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 3:27 ... you know, you experience.

Joe Rogan 3:28 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 3:29 Experiential. So if you remember those things over and over, you're gonna become a wizard. You're a wizard.

Joe Rogan 3:34 Mm, I'm a wizard.

Steven Tyler 3:34 You're so good.

Joe Rogan 3:35 Thank you. That's very nice of you.

Steven Tyler 3:36 You're so good. That's why I, I watched your show and I watched the beginning, right before you walked out on stage, the Triggered. And I saw two things that, that, that was, that came to my attention, was one, you were talking with your producer or whoever that said, "There's your chair, and by the way, your bottle of water is right there." We need those guys. Right?

Joe Rogan 3:54 Oh, for sure.

Steven Tyler 3:54 And the other thing is you were sitting on the couch alone, reading your notes.

Joe Rogan 4:00 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 4:00 Yeah. And you showed that.

Joe Rogan 4:02 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 4:02 That's a beautiful thing. I can't live without my notes. I can't... I fly at such a speed, such an altitude, that I can't remember what I did yesterday. But then I have long-term, where I go, "Oh, yeah, that was, uh, three months ago." But I just thought I would read you a timeline.

Joe Rogan 4:20 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 4:20 Okay? 'Cause I saw you reading your notes, okay?

Joe Rogan 4:22 Okay.

Steven Tyler 4:23 April 15th, lunch with the kids in Venice. My daughter lives in Venice. Hi, Chelsea.

Joe Rogan 4:27 That's a long time ago.

Steven Tyler 4:28 Drove to San Diego.

Joe Rogan 4:29 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 4:30 Yeah. Well, you know, a month.

Joe Rogan 4:31 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 4:31 'Cause I don't have good memory.

Joe Rogan 4:32 Right.

Steven Tyler 4:33 All right. Drove to San Diego that night after that.

Joe Rogan 4:35 So you write things down, like, w-... after you did them just to solidify them in your head?

Steven Tyler 4:39 No, I just came from a whirlwind of press and-

Joe Rogan 4:42 Right.

Steven Tyler 4:43 Steven Tyler day and released a documentary that Casey Tebo did and all this shit happened, and we played the, the Jazz Fest in New Orleans. And that happened in the last two weeks, and I just said, uh, um, to Amy, "What h-... What have we been doing in the last... Where have we been?"

Joe Rogan 5:02 Right.

Steven Tyler 5:03 So I wrote it down. Drove to San Diego after Venice. Did a private show.

Joe Rogan 5:08 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 5:08 Flew to Orlando that night.

Joe Rogan 5:10 Right.

Steven Tyler 5:10 Okay? Private gig with David Foster, Katy Perry, Pia from Idol, this girl that was so sweet. Um, rehearsed with the band, uh, and during the break from the band, I was in Disney World. I rode my, I rode my roller coaster, and I went-

Joe Rogan 5:25 I just got back from Disney World, and I rode your roller coaster yesterday.

Steven Tyler 5:27 Okay, so you know you've made it when, right? See what I mean?

Joe Rogan 5:30 Oh, the day before yesterday. Yeah.

Steven Tyler 5:31 So I'm going through this list and I went, "Wait a minute. We what?" And it was just a... You know, so rode the roller coaster. Then I went over-

Joe Rogan 5:38 The Rock'n'Roller Coaster.

Steven Tyler 5:38 The most imp-... The Rock'n'Roller Coaster. You-

Joe Rogan 5:40 It's great.

Steven Tyler 5:40 Right? Two times it goes up like that.

Joe Rogan 5:42 And then it goes backwards.

Steven Tyler 5:43 Yeah. Zero to 60 in 2.8 seconds.

Joe Rogan 5:47 That's pretty dope.

Steven Tyler 5:48 Yeah. Sick. Electromagnetic propulsion. Dude.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Dude.

Steven Tyler 5:52 What are we doing here?

Joe Rogan 5:54 What are we doing here?

Steven Tyler 5:55 So, and then I went over to the Animal Kingdom to visit, uh, some of my old girlfriends.

Joe Rogan 5:58 (sputters)

Steven Tyler 5:59 No. I went to a, you know, the-

Joe Rogan 6:00 Did you do the Avatar ride?

Steven Tyler 6:02 ... the Avatar ride. I, I had to.

Joe Rogan 6:02 Holy shit.

Steven Tyler 6:03 I fucking love Avatar.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Holy shit, is that Avatar ride intense.... the, the one when you get on the bike?

Steven Tyler 6:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:08 You, you're like, you're flying on the dragon-

Steven Tyler 6:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:09 ... the virtual reality?

Steven Tyler 6:10 It's-

Joe Rogan 6:10 That's the greatest ride of all time.

Steven Tyler 6:11 The greatest.

Joe Rogan 6:12 I think it's called Flights of Passage. I think that's what it's called.

Steven Tyler 6:15 It might be.

Joe Rogan 6:16 Whoo.

Steven Tyler 6:16 It's like the... Na'vi. I fucking-

Joe Rogan 6:19 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 6:19 I just got... I went to, just to break here for a second, I went to Betty Ford eight years ago, 'cause I got fucked up with my foot stuff and just stuff.

Joe Rogan 6:28 With your foot stuff?

Steven Tyler 6:29 Uh, I had an operation on my foot, you know-

Joe Rogan 6:30 Oh, and then you got pain killers?

Steven Tyler 6:31 ... and I kept the meds right by the bed, you know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 6:33 What'd you get done to your foot?

Steven Tyler 6:34 Broke up with my girlfriend, so they were right there.

Joe Rogan 6:36 Oh.

Steven Tyler 6:36 And I thought, "Well, I took one five minutes ago, I wanna take another one." That's what kinda like-

Joe Rogan 6:40 Yeah, that happens to a lot of people with those pain pills.

Steven Tyler 6:42 And so I, I checked myself into Betty Ford, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 6:44 Good for you.

Steven Tyler 6:45 ... while I was there, they let me out a couple of times, I saw Avatar eight times.

Joe Rogan 6:51 Did you get Avatar depression?

Steven Tyler 6:52 Nah.

Joe Rogan 6:52 Do you know what that is?

Steven Tyler 6:53 No, no, I became her.

Joe Rogan 6:54 Right. Which one?

Steven Tyler 6:56 I became a Na'vi.

Joe Rogan 6:57 Sigourney Weaver? Oh.

Steven Tyler 6:58 No, not Sigourney.

Joe Rogan 6:58 The Sigourney Weaver character?

Steven Tyler 6:59 No the, no the other one.

Joe Rogan 7:00 Right, yeah, the girl.

Steven Tyler 7:01 Yeah, not, not the guy.

Joe Rogan 7:02 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 7:02 I became her-

Joe Rogan 7:03 Right.

Steven Tyler 7:03 ... and I just watched her moves and-

Joe Rogan 7:04 She's pretty dope.

Steven Tyler 7:05 I cannot wait for that to come out.

Joe Rogan 7:07 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 7:07 It's gonna come out soon. Okay, then we back in... Uh, we flew right to New York City after the show. Okay?

Joe Rogan 7:13 Okay.

Steven Tyler 7:14 Went to see Bruce Springsteen's one-off on Broadway that night.

Joe Rogan 7:17 How was that?

Steven Tyler 7:18 Sick. Sick. He's so good.

Joe Rogan 7:21 He's amazing.

Steven Tyler 7:21 Now, I gotta tell you, I'm not the biggest Bruce Springting- Steen fan, but, um, I respect him. I love his music. I know he became a phenomenon in like '72, like when we did. And sitting there and watching him be honest and talk to this, this crowd and sing songs and play the piano and talk his truth. And then he says something like, um... He goes, "You know this New Jersey thing?" With a pregnant pa- pregnant pause. He goes, "I invented that." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:52 (laughs) And did he go-

Steven Tyler 7:52 And that was it. He won my heart, because when someone says that, it was so real and so true.

Joe Rogan 7:57 But Sinatra was from Hoboken.

Steven Tyler 7:59 Yeah, and I'm from Yonkers.

Joe Rogan 8:03 Okay.

Steven Tyler 8:04 Or the Bronx.

Joe Rogan 8:06 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 8:06 Or the Bronx.

Joe Rogan 8:07 Ugh. I was born in New Jersey too.

Steven Tyler 8:09 Were you?

Joe Rogan 8:09 Yeah, Newark.

Steven Tyler 8:11 Wow.

Joe Rogan 8:12 Fascinating.

Steven Tyler 8:12 Newark, New Jersey.

Joe Rogan 8:13 Trivia.

Steven Tyler 8:14 And right where you were born, they put an airport?

Joe Rogan 8:17 I think it was already there.

Steven Tyler 8:18 Hmm. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:20 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 8:21 So you lived in the high-end neighborhood, huh?

Joe Rogan 8:24 Not really.

Steven Tyler 8:26 (laughs) Okay, so-

Joe Rogan 8:26 Hmm, okay.

Steven Tyler 8:26 ... that night, flew, flew right to New York City after the show, went to see Bruce Springsteen. I said that, redundancy.

Joe Rogan 8:31 And you loved it?

Steven Tyler 8:32 I loved it. I loved it. Um, um, then I did... The next morning, woke up, did a Harper's Bazaar shoot for the cover with my daughter, Liv. Keith Richards' daughters were there, all that stuff. After, hung out with Lenny Kravitz, had a nice couple slices with Lenny, my bro. Flew to Muscle Shoals right after that and recorded a song with Nuno Bettencourt. Sick as fuck. So good. So good. That was, that was three days of this.

Joe Rogan 9:01 This is a hell of a timeline you got going on here.

Steven Tyler 9:04 Yeah, tha- and that was the next day. Uh, I went right to Rick Hall's place, who passed away like three months ago, and his son, Rodney Hall, works the place. It's called Fame Studios.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 9:15 And, and I sat in a room, he took me all over the place, and I walked in to like the demo room where you could smell the oxides off the tape.

Joe Rogan 9:24 Wow.

Steven Tyler 9:25 With like Percy Sledge demo. When a man loves a woman... You know, that first shit.

Joe Rogan 9:32 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 9:32 The first stuff. Uh, Wilson Pickett. And I'm sitting in the room with him, and I'm telling you, man, I started to cry. I cried... I welt up three times there.

Joe Rogan 9:42 Wow.

Steven Tyler 9:43 Just to be in the room. I'm standing, doing the vocals to Brown Sugar right where Little Richard sang, right where he sang. I see a picture on the wall of him standing right there. To me-

Joe Rogan 9:55 And this is all in Muscle Shoals?

Steven Tyler 9:56 Yeah, Muscle Shoals.

Joe Rogan 9:56 Li- did you see that documentary?

Steven Tyler 9:58 I did. I watched the documentary first of all.

Joe Rogan 10:00 Incredible.

Steven Tyler 10:00 I said, "I'm in."

Joe Rogan 10:01 What is it about that place?

Steven Tyler 10:02 Um-

Joe Rogan 10:02 Like, ho- how did that place-

Steven Tyler 10:03 Okay, here's what it is. It's the vibes. If you're into vibes-

Joe Rogan 10:07 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 10:07 ... if you're into living, if you're into feeling alive, you can always feel sad when your mom dies, but you gotta amp that up. You gotta feel good when bad things are going on. You gotta thank God when bad things are going on. You gotta be into crystals, love your, love your girlfriend, try to be happy, try to find the positivity in negativity. And then when you listen to music and your very favorite thing and you close your eyes, that's vibes. That's something you can't even talk about, really. It's how you feel personally. Whatever you've been through in your life, those vibes of those songs, Wilson Pickett, Little Richard, I mean, The Allman Brothers-

Joe Rogan 10:45 Right.

Steven Tyler 10:45 ... started there.

Joe Rogan 10:46 Right.

Steven Tyler 10:47 So when you listen to The Allman Brothers, you, you're in the room where Gregg said to his brother, "Let's do this song." So-

Joe Rogan 10:54 So do you think it is because all those talented people performed there and they, they like let it soak into the building?

Steven Tyler 11:00 It's-

Joe Rogan 11:00 I mean, is that what it is? 'Cause there's, there's places that do have like a magic to them. I always talk about The Comedy Store like that.

Steven Tyler 11:06 Mm.

Joe Rogan 11:06 The Comedy Store has a magic to it. When you're there, there's something about that place that like thi- it feels like great things have happened in that place before. You feel it in the wood, you feel it in the carpet. It's just, it's in the air. Do you feel like that was Muscle Strolls? Is it, there's... Is it because all those great artists have performed there and like almost like the room has a memory of it?

Steven Tyler 11:27 I think so.

Joe Rogan 11:28 'Cause there's some scientists that think that things have memories. It's a, it's a weird, impossible to prove idea.

Steven Tyler 11:34 Okay, well, when you die, did you know that you, that you're on the table? You die, and if the table is... w- you're being weighed as you die.

Joe Rogan 11:43 No.

Steven Tyler 11:43 It goes down a number. What's the number?

Joe Rogan 11:44 21 grams.

Steven Tyler 11:45 Okay, great.

Joe Rogan 11:46 It's not real.

Steven Tyler 11:46 Huh?

Joe Rogan 11:46 That's not real.

Steven Tyler 11:47 It's not true?

Joe Rogan 11:48 No, it's one of those things-

Steven Tyler 11:49 Not a-

Joe Rogan 11:49 ... that people always say.

Steven Tyler 11:49 You sure?

Joe Rogan 11:50 It's just- yeah, there's no way of really measuring.

Steven Tyler 11:52 Oh man, you just-

Joe Rogan 11:52 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 11:52 ... burst my balloon.

Joe Rogan 11:53 I think it's just one of those-

Steven Tyler 11:54 Fuck you.

Joe Rogan 11:54 Hold on a minute.

Steven Tyler 11:54 It's one of those hippie things that people-

Narrator 11:56 Fucking A.

Steven Tyler 11:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:56 (laughs) It's one of those hippie things that people love to say.

Steven Tyler 11:59 You sure?

Joe Rogan 11:59 Pretty sure. Jamie, why don't you Google it?

Steven Tyler 12:01 Uh, I was-

Joe Rogan 12:01 But I'm pretty sure that's not real.

Steven Tyler 12:02 Anyway, I believe in that.

Joe Rogan 12:04 I do too sometimes.

Steven Tyler 12:05 I walked in the room and like... Check this out. So if, um...Drugs-

Joe Rogan 12:09 One of my favorite Henr- Hendrix songs, "Well, are you an... Are you experienced," right? "Not necessarily stoned but beautiful." Meanwhile you walk on stage and go, "Fuck me, these edibles." I walk in here and go, "Fuck me, I didn't do my nails- But you used to.

Steven Tyler 12:24 ... and these edibles." No, I don't. I don't.

Joe Rogan 12:26 You used to do all kinds of crazy shit.

Steven Tyler 12:29 What do you mean, drugs?

Joe Rogan 12:29 Drug-wise.

Steven Tyler 12:30 Well, fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:31 Of course.

Steven Tyler 12:32 Well, yeah. While-

Joe Rogan 12:33 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 12:33 ... while you were being born, I was walking-

Joe Rogan 12:35 (laughs) .

Steven Tyler 12:35 ... around New York City with John Belushi-

Joe Rogan 12:38 Lehman? Oh. (knocks)

Steven Tyler 12:39 ... knocking on everybody's door to get some blow. I mean, we were good p- good friends. We... It's what you did back then. I believed that, uh, in the spirit of music was... Think of it this way. Why do you think they're called booze spirits and when you listen to your favorite song you wanna fuck your wife?

Joe Rogan 12:57 Hmm.

Steven Tyler 12:58 I think that spirits, you know, wherever it takes you, whatever feeling it is, whatever... When I went to Muscle Shoals, I put my hand on the wood. I, I felt the room because I knew that Little Richard stood right in fucking front of me.

Joe Rogan 13:11 Right.

Steven Tyler 13:12 All I gotta do is close my eyes and go-

Joe Rogan 13:14 Spirits.

Steven Tyler 13:14 ... back in time for a second. If I, you know... I did a song, uh, with, um, uh, "Roots rock reggae, play the funky music." And it was, uh... Shit. See, I don't have a long-term memory. Who did that song? Come on, help me.

Joe Rogan 13:29 Play that funky music, white boy?

Steven Tyler 13:31 No.

Joe Rogan 13:32 (laughs) .

Steven Tyler 13:32 Roots rock reggae, um-

Joe Rogan 13:34 Roots rock reggae.

Steven Tyler 13:35 Who's the, who's the best reggae artist of all time?

Joe Rogan 13:37 Bob Marley and Wyclef.

Steven Tyler 13:38 Bob Marley. Okay, his son calls me up and goes, "You gotta do this song." I go in. They put in... They put on the two-inch tape, the oxide, the old-fashioned two-inch tape. And I'm in there ready to sing, right? And I'm... They start rolling. And I'm listening. I got, I got everything turned up and I hear Bob walk into the studio. I hear the drummer sit down at the drum set and his, his stool squeaks. And he farts. No. But it's... You can hear him pick up sticks. You hear, you hear the bass player fucking around with his bass and talking to Bob, "Man, what you fucking, what you feel... How you feeling today, man?" And I'm in the room with Bob Marley. So what is spirit if that's not it?

Joe Rogan 14:18 Hmm.

Steven Tyler 14:19 I made them play that back again for me, 'cause I just-

Joe Rogan 14:21 Right.

Steven Tyler 14:22 ... close my eyes and you're in the room with Bob Marley.

Joe Rogan 14:24 Well, there's certainly something, right? When you hear a song, a great song from the past, and you get goosebumps and just feel it inside of you.

Steven Tyler 14:30 Goose kinda be.

Joe Rogan 14:30 It's something. You're getting moved. But what does that have to do with booze?

Steven Tyler 14:33 I think booze is called spirits because it puts you in that place.

Joe Rogan 14:36 Right.

Steven Tyler 14:36 Phony-

Joe Rogan 14:37 Releases some inhibition.

Steven Tyler 14:39 ... false sleep. It releases i- inhibition. It's also-

Joe Rogan 14:41 But is it-

Steven Tyler 14:41 ... a great truth serum, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 14:42 It is, but is it false or is it just that it just gets abused?

Steven Tyler 14:45 I think... It's not false, exactly. It makes you say things you wish you didn't. Then you go, "I was lying."

Joe Rogan 14:50 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 14:50 "I was only fucking around."

Joe Rogan 14:52 Well, you could be in love for a moment.

Steven Tyler 14:53 Bitch, you, you fuck... You know fuck... You fucking, fucking me up.

Joe Rogan 14:56 Oh, that stuff. That stuff.

Steven Tyler 14:57 Hey, well, there's-

Joe Rogan 14:57 I, I thought... I thought you meant the nice things.

Steven Tyler 14:58 Tell me you've never done blow.

Joe Rogan 15:00 I've never done blow?

Steven Tyler 15:01 Ever?

Joe Rogan 15:01 No, unfortunately.

Steven Tyler 15:02 You don't drink either?

Joe Rogan 15:03 I drink, yeah.

Steven Tyler 15:03 Okay, cool.

Joe Rogan 15:04 Yeah. I, when I was growing up, my friend's cousin sold blow and I saw disastrous results.

Steven Tyler 15:10 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 15:10 And I was scared off of it when I was very young.

Steven Tyler 15:13 Wow, good for you.

Joe Rogan 15:13 And then I had some friends that, as I grew older, had blow problems. So I never touched it.

Steven Tyler 15:19 See, you're one of them, man. That's beautiful.

Joe Rogan 15:21 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 15:21 See, you're a normie.

Joe Rogan 15:22 Normie in some ways, but I've done a lot of different drugs.

Steven Tyler 15:25 Believe me, like you said in that... in your last, that last documentary, just joking, you are farthest from the normie.

Joe Rogan 15:33 Well, I'm a normie compared to some people.

Steven Tyler 15:35 It's smart that you- it's smart that you thought not to do that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:38 It just seems like one that I would like too much.

Steven Tyler 15:40 Yeah.

Narrator 15:41 Never mind.

Joe Rogan 15:41 And that's one of the reasons why I never fucked with speed either.

Steven Tyler 15:43 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 15:43 I feel like I'd be like, "Now I can get things done."

Steven Tyler 15:45 Yeah, but you drink coffee, don't you?

Joe Rogan 15:47 Yeah, but it's mild. The coffee doesn't really... Just-

Steven Tyler 15:49 That is fucking mild. This man is-

Joe Rogan 15:51 It's just mild.

Steven Tyler 15:52 What is it? Cam- chameleon, which changes your fucking skin into another color.

Joe Rogan 15:56 This is a cold brew black coffee.

Steven Tyler 15:57 Cold brew coffee. Where's mine?

Joe Rogan 15:58 It's just coffee. I mean, this is really not that-

Steven Tyler 16:01 I mean, this is, this is... It's not coffee. It's called Lucky Jack Nitro Cold Brew Coffee. You might as well just stick this in your arm.

Joe Rogan 16:07 I don't think so.

Steven Tyler 16:08 Really?

Joe Rogan 16:09 Yeah. I mean, I don't know because I've never stuck anything-

Steven Tyler 16:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 16:11 ... like that in my arm, but-

Steven Tyler 16:12 Neither have I.

Joe Rogan 16:12 ... I have a feeling-

Steven Tyler 16:12 I'm just saying.

Joe Rogan 16:13 ... that it's not that.

Steven Tyler 16:14 It's, it's pretty strong.

Joe Rogan 16:16 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 16:16 Actually, it's probably not like what I... I make, m- in the morning is like Kona coffee.

Joe Rogan 16:21 I love Kona coffee.

Steven Tyler 16:22 And I fill that fucker to the top.

Joe Rogan 16:24 Ooh.

Steven Tyler 16:24 It's so dark that when you pour it, you can't see through the stream.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 16:28 That's when you know you're going on Joe Rogan-

Joe Rogan 16:30 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 16:31 ... and gonna spew some shit.

Joe Rogan 16:32 Some real shit.

Steven Tyler 16:33 Oh, fuck.

Joe Rogan 16:33 Some hot lava.

Steven Tyler 16:34 Hot lava. So-

Joe Rogan 16:35 From Kona.

Steven Tyler 16:36 So then... So we did that song.

Joe Rogan 16:37 Right.

Steven Tyler 16:38 We did, we did Brown Sugar. Me and Nuno Bettencourt. And we got all the players from way back then, the horn sections. Got girls to sing it. It's just gonna be... Bobby Womack sat in that room.

Joe Rogan 16:48 Whoa.

Steven Tyler 16:49 And he did, you know, "I used to love you, but it's all over now."

Joe Rogan 16:53 Right.

Steven Tyler 16:53 The Stones song. That was that day. Marvin Gaye. I'm in this room with all his tapes, so if you're a musician, you feel the vibes.

Joe Rogan 17:01 Right.

Steven Tyler 17:02 If you're comedic and you go to The Comedy Store, you feel you... like you're walking around in placenta. Right?

Joe Rogan 17:09 A little bit. Yeah, there's not a recording spot for comedians, you know. You guys have a bunch of performing spots, but you also have recording spots.

Steven Tyler 17:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:16 We only really have performing spots.

Steven Tyler 17:18 Yeah, that's cool.

Joe Rogan 17:18 And we re- we record in those performing spots.

Steven Tyler 17:21 Mm-hmm. But I'm performing.

Joe Rogan 17:23 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 17:24 I mean, I go into... I just had these on last night, fixing the lyrics, and when I... when you have 'em on and you're listening to the track, it's just... it's something you can't explain. No- nobody understands that. And it's akin to tripping on acid. It's akin to being drunk and sucking face with a girl, making out with her.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Right.

Steven Tyler 17:45 It's akin to watching your kids be born. It's, it's-

Joe Rogan 17:49 It's an elevated experience.

Steven Tyler 17:50 It's way elevated.

Joe Rogan 17:51 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 17:51 And if you, if you buy it and you push the top floor, like I do-

Joe Rogan 17:56 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 17:56 ... way past the penthouse.

Joe Rogan 17:57 Boom.

Steven Tyler 17:58 Well, I know you do it.

Joe Rogan 18:00 Hmm.

Steven Tyler 18:00 That's why I'm reading this off.

Joe Rogan 18:01 Okay.

Steven Tyler 18:02 This is a day... This is a-

Joe Rogan 18:03 A day?

Steven Tyler 18:04 This is... Well, it was a month.

Joe Rogan 18:05 Well, whatever it is, it's... You... And also, you've been doing this a long time. This is like a life wh- I mean, the reason why you don't have any memory is 'cause you probably filled all your hard drive space with crazy experiences.

Steven Tyler 18:16 Phew. Well said.

Joe Rogan 18:17 ... you know?

Steven Tyler 18:18 I have forgotten more than most people could ever remember.

Joe Rogan 18:20 How could you not? Wh- where the... How the fuck could you remember everything you've ever done?

Steven Tyler 18:23 Well, keep-

Joe Rogan 18:24 Go talk to a farmer about some shit that happened in the '50s. "Oh, that was the day-"

Steven Tyler 18:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:28 "... that the f- cow wouldn't give us milk."

Steven Tyler 18:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:30 They remember.

Steven Tyler 18:31 Well, there's two things going on here. I'm surrounded by people that always remind me-

Joe Rogan 18:35 That's good too. You got a good team.

Steven Tyler 18:37 Yeah. And sometimes I gotta be on, like live-

Joe Rogan 18:40 Yes.

Steven Tyler 18:40 ... on The Tonight Show, or-

Joe Rogan 18:41 Right.

Steven Tyler 18:42 This thing I did, what was it? With the, that beautiful blonde? Uh, Entertainment Tonight. Entertainment Tonight. It was just... I was... I just watched it back. I thought it... That's the best interview I think I've ever done, because she looked me square in the eye, she was beautiful, she asked the per- just right questions, and it was just perfect. And you gotta be on in those moments.

Joe Rogan 19:01 Yes.

Steven Tyler 19:02 That's all.

Joe Rogan 19:03 That's what I'm saying.

Steven Tyler 19:03 Me too.

Joe Rogan 19:05 Do you, do you miss being not sober, ever?

Steven Tyler 19:08 Sometimes.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Sometimes?

Steven Tyler 19:09 Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:11 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 19:11 Yeah, I, um, I miss lay-

Joe Rogan 19:14 What are the pros and cons?

Steven Tyler 19:16 That, that if I do, I'll wind up doing too much.

Joe Rogan 19:20 For sure?

Steven Tyler 19:20 For sure. I can't control it.

Joe Rogan 19:22 It's just the way you are?

Steven Tyler 19:23 Just the way I am. And I don't wanna, I don't wanna push it again, because when I get that way, my kids don't talk to me, I get a divorce.

Joe Rogan 19:32 (laughs) Right.

Steven Tyler 19:32 I- I'm thrown out of my own band.

Joe Rogan 19:34 Right, right.

Steven Tyler 19:35 Uh, what else? I lose everything. I mean, that's happened enough times for me to finally realize, "You know what? It's not worth it."

Joe Rogan 19:43 Right.

Steven Tyler 19:44 You know?

Joe Rogan 19:45 I get it.

Steven Tyler 19:45 You understand what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 19:46 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 19:47 And I got a lot of beautiful friends. I got a beautiful, um, bunch of friends, um, to keep me in line, you know. I got two sponsors, one on the West Coast, one on the East Coast, that I call up all the time and go, "I wanna get so fucked up right now."

Joe Rogan 20:02 How does this... How does that work when you call them up? What do they say?

Steven Tyler 20:04 I just- I-

Joe Rogan 20:04 "Don't do it, Steven."

Steven Tyler 20:05 No, no. They go-

Joe Rogan 20:06 Do they ever say, "Fuck, dude, I do too, but I keep it together"?

Steven Tyler 20:09 Exactly. No, they don't-

Joe Rogan 20:10 Is that what they say?

Steven Tyler 20:10 They'll just say, "What else is new?"

Joe Rogan 20:12 Do you guys ever talk about it the way, like, fat people talk about food they used to eat?

Steven Tyler 20:16 No, 'cause we don't do that, what is it called? Looking back and digging into the dinosaur shit.

Joe Rogan 20:20 You don't look back.

Steven Tyler 20:20 No one will do that. No.

Joe Rogan 20:21 No? But you, but you do if you go to, like, an AA meeting. They do get up and tell awesome stories-

Steven Tyler 20:26 Oh, fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:26 ... about getting fucked up, right?

Steven Tyler 20:28 See, when you get sober, if you don't, if you don't ha- continue your aftercare by going to a, a couple meetings every now and then-

Joe Rogan 20:34 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 20:34 ... you're gonna wind up using again.

Joe Rogan 20:36 Really?

Steven Tyler 20:36 Especially someone like me who watched Janis Joplin up there, okay? 1968, I'm in a high school. She's got bangles and beads like this shit on, and she's, she's drinking Southern Comfort, and she's spitting it and using the F word, smoking cigarettes. Nobody did that back then.

Joe Rogan 20:58 She was a powerful woman.

Steven Tyler 20:58 And you're watching her, and she's fucking the power in song.

Joe Rogan 21:03 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 21:03 << Take another little piece of my heart now >> That's why I covered that-

Joe Rogan 21:06 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 21:06 ... on my country album. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:09 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 21:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:10 To this day, I listen to that song, like, at least once every couple months, just put that in the headphones.

Steven Tyler 21:15 So you see how s- how, what songs can do for you?

Joe Rogan 21:18 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 21:18 Well, when you, when you grew up in the '60s, and what we did was we experimented, you know. I mean, if you think about what they tell us, Christopher Columbus discovered America. No. The bow of his boat was full of booze, and he fucked Queen Elizabeth or whoever. She goes, "Oh, good boy." You know?

Joe Rogan 21:35 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 21:36 And she sent him on his way with some money and said, "Bring me back some countries." You think? And by the way, he wasn't the first person here. That's what America wants us to believe. But anyway, so, so Christopher Columbus, he's got that in his head to go, to go check shit out.

Joe Rogan 21:50 Right.

Steven Tyler 21:50 He's drinking. He's going by the stars at night. It's kinda like that. It's like, you never took LSD? It's-

Joe Rogan 21:57 I've taken acid.

Steven Tyler 21:58 Okay, so then-

Joe Rogan 21:58 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 21:58 ... you, you know what you, you look out... We used to take acid in high school, and we would, we'd go to these, um, uh, ski slopes in the summertime, right? Beautiful green hills going up, and-

Joe Rogan 22:09 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 22:10 ... we'd ride the chairlift stoned as fuck. And we got our stuff from San Francisco, from Owsley.

Joe Rogan 22:16 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 22:17 I would call him up and go, "Dude, more colors." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:22 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 22:22 "More colors." Ray Taban was gonna kill me, but that's what... So you understand that that's just... It's, it's like, you know, is it fucked up and it's drugs? Yeah, but you're also... It's like, I'd love to do ayahuasca. I'd love to do that.

Joe Rogan 22:35 But you can't.

Steven Tyler 22:35 Nah, maybe my bucket list, and that's what I'll talk to my sponsor about. "Hey, I got this, uh, I'm in Maui. Maybe I've been here too long, but, um, over in Hana, they're doing ayahuasca."

Joe Rogan 22:48 Oh, I saw that you were at Ram Dass' place.

Steven Tyler 22:51 Ah.

Joe Rogan 22:51 'Cause you were there with my friend Duncan Trussell.

Steven Tyler 22:53 Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:54 Yeah. Yeah, Duncan sent me a picture of you guys together.

Steven Tyler 22:57 Do you know I went back, and they had a silent auction, and I, I, you know, I know Ram Dass. He's, you know, he's a beautiful Jewish kid from Long Island. Long Island. And he became what he did, talk about spirituality. So I'm at the silent auction, and I bought this and that and this, and, and one of these, um, Mellotron-type thing that you, you squeeze box. You squeeze with your fingers and play it.

Joe Rogan 23:23 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Steven Tyler 23:24 And when I left there, a guy comes over and says, "You just bought the first edition of his book in his own handwriting. You just bought his..." I forgot what the hell those things are called. Accordion.

Joe Rogan 23:37 Not an accordion, right?

Steven Tyler 23:38 Mm-hmm. (coughs) it's an accordion type thing.

Joe Rogan 23:41 It is an accor- like an accordion. Right.

Steven Tyler 23:43 And, and I got to listen to, uh, to Ram Dass talk, and sat right in front of him. What a trip.

Joe Rogan 23:52 Yeah, he's a trip. I need to meet him before he leaves this Earth.

Steven Tyler 23:55 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:55 Duncan raves about him.

Steven Tyler 23:57 Yep.

Joe Rogan 23:57 So what were you doing there? Do you, do you, um-

Steven Tyler 23:59 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 23:59 ... obviously have an interest in psychedelic experiences, but you are wary about attempting them at this stage after your sobriety?

Steven Tyler 24:08 Hmm. Would I love to trip again? Yeah, I- I would.

Joe Rogan 24:13 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 24:13 I would do a trip.

Joe Rogan 24:13 But do you think you could do it and, you know-

Steven Tyler 24:14 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 24:14 ... maybe it's just, like, you just don't... Maybe it's getting fucked up that's the bad thing. Like, just getting fucked up, just getting drunk and coked up, and maybe that's the problem. Maybe-

Steven Tyler 24:25 No, no. It's got nothing-

Joe Rogan 24:25 ... in a shamanic ceremony, maybe it wouldn't be a problem at all.

Steven Tyler 24:29 Well, here's the deal. It's all one thing-... getting fucked up, shamanic, whatever. If you're taking drugs and you're fucked up, you're fucked up. Doesn't matter if it's shamanic or not, if you, if you get high and, and that, and that tweaks, that little thing in my brain that goes-

Joe Rogan 24:43 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 24:44 ... "Um, here I go." Remember-

Joe Rogan 24:46 In your brain, yeah.

Steven Tyler 24:47 ... I got high for 30 years.

Joe Rogan 24:48 Right.

Steven Tyler 24:49 I'm from the '60s.

Joe Rogan 24:50 Right.

Steven Tyler 24:51 With the best of them I got high, and it took them down, some of them, most of them.

Joe Rogan 24:56 You came through it remarkably unscathed, if you think about it.

Steven Tyler 25:00 Yeah. Thank you, God.

Joe Rogan 25:02 It's pretty amazing.

Steven Tyler 25:02 Thank you, God. Thank you, God. Mm, think about that one.

Joe Rogan 25:07 Yeah. Think about that one.

Steven Tyler 25:08 We could talk for two hours about times I did shit and almost died. So-

Joe Rogan 25:12 I'm sure.

Steven Tyler 25:13 You know, and then I could also tell you, um, how many times I took shit and wrote things like, you know, I'm listening to this guitar lick that Joe's playing. He did an interview here with you.

Joe Rogan 25:27 Yeah. Oh.

Steven Tyler 25:27 But he didn't tell you how in his fucking sleep he would play these riffs, and I'd come down the hallway because, you know, as I see it, of course, not as they see it. But as I see it, we were up in New England and he was playing at a place, and I mowed the lawn at my f- my, my, my parents' place, and I had quit my last band and I was fucking a li-hoo za-hur. I was crying. I was in no more bands. The dream was over. He drives up in an MG, we go and he's playing that night. I swear to God this happened. And so we decided to move down to Boston, but all in an apartment because I thought, I knew why those bands didn't make it. But I knew in my heart that if I had a bro in a band, like a Mick and a Keith, like The Kinks-

Joe Rogan 26:16 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 26:16 ... with David, Dave and, you know, Ray, any of those bands they had, they had, you know, they had, it was two guys that were really tight.

Joe Rogan 26:24 They'd feed off each other.

Steven Tyler 26:25 They fed off each other. Exactly. So we moved down there. I got really tight with Joe. I hear him, he'd get, we'd get so shwacked. We'd, we would... so stoned on Boo- Boone's Farm-

Joe Rogan 26:37 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 26:37 ... you know, and we'd, I mean, fucking (mumbles) .

Joe Rogan 26:41 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 26:41 I said, "What did he say? What'd you say?" Anyway, but he would play these licks, they were so fucking... for every song you've ever heard, Sweet Emotion, every one of those licks, Walk This Way, there's 20 that got lost in the ether.

Joe Rogan 26:56 Right.

Steven Tyler 26:57 20 that got lost in the ether. So I went out and bought a little thing called a tape recorder back then. Remember this was '71, you know, a lot of sh- shit wasn't on, no phones, no cell phones. So I would record that shit, and so anyway, where we going with this? That's, that's what, that's where these songs came from, and stuff would come out of my head while I was... like, << Sweet emotion >> Wait, whoa fuck, get me a pa- paper and pen. I'd write that shit down. Suddenly, whoops, on the radio. See, so I used that place-

Joe Rogan 27:30 What if, what if

Narrator 27:30 Healer.

Steven Tyler 27:30 ... that you get, you go to when-

Joe Rogan 27:31 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 27:31 ... you eat edibles, do you ever write some of your routines when you're with edibles?

Joe Rogan 27:35 Oh, for sure. Yeah, I record them.

Steven Tyler 27:36 Well, there you go.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Yeah. No, for sure.

Steven Tyler 27:37 Well, and also, check this out, the, the best part of it is when I got sober, I started writing even, even better shit. I'd go in a room with four guys and say, "We're going in to write a hit. We're gonna stay in this fucking room until we do or until we can't stand each other's smell." And we would leave in seven hours with a fucking song. A- and a good one, and one that would live way past all of us. Check that shit out.

Joe Rogan 28:04 What did it feel like when you, when you did have these dr- drunken, stoned moments when you came up with a song like Sweet Emotion or a riff or-

Steven Tyler 28:12 Mm.

Joe Rogan 28:12 ... and then all of a sudden you're listening to it on the radio? How, how fucking surreal is that? What is that like?

Steven Tyler 28:19 I remember we used to go up to, um... first of all, most of our first stuff was recorded down in Hell's Kitchen, um, in New York at the Record Plant. You know, John Lennon had a studio upstairs and we were down in Studio A with Jack Douglas and, um... So we went from there for the '70s, and then end of the '70s, I had done every drug on the planet that I could 'cause I thought it was cool, and if I didn't, I wouldn't be cool, and those were the kind of people I hung out with. "You can't do that, dude. You ain't fucking shit, man." So, then you get early '80s, totally fubar, '84, '85, '86.

Joe Rogan 29:00 What was '80s? Coke?

Steven Tyler 29:01 Uh, a lot of the hard stuff.

Joe Rogan 29:04 Yeah. '70s-

Steven Tyler 29:05 Snorting, snorting heroin, snorting coke there.

Joe Rogan 29:07 So '60s, '60s and '70s was...

Steven Tyler 29:10 '60s was weed, right, drinking, getting jiggy with the f- you know, with the stuff that was happening with, uh-

Joe Rogan 29:16 Right.

Steven Tyler 29:16 ... the English Invasion, listening to Elvis, checking your shit out.

Joe Rogan 29:19 Right.

Steven Tyler 29:20 You know, um...

Joe Rogan 29:22 Then what about the '70s?

Steven Tyler 29:23 Huh, '70s, finally, so 65, '64, I started, I was a drummer in a band at school, you know, with the (singing drum sounds) school drummer.

Joe Rogan 29:34 Right.

Steven Tyler 29:35 Then I bought a set of drums 'cause I wasn't getting looked at and get made fun of and called-

Joe Rogan 29:38 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 29:39 ... you know, lippo and lith- Lithuania and, and got beat up after school, man. Like, I thought, "If we get a little band together and play at lunch, that'd be really cool." We were called The Maniacs. So we played at lunch and I went, "Holy shit, Marcy, Marcia Resnick is talking to me now."

Joe Rogan 30:00 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 30:00 (laughs) Holy shit. And a, and a field school.

Joe Rogan 30:02 Do you rem- do you remember her name?

Steven Tyler 30:02 Ah, whatever. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Isn't it funny? There's always one girl from high school.

Steven Tyler 30:05 Hah. Jill Ellsworth.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Ooh.

Steven Tyler 30:07 That was her.

Joe Rogan 30:08 Mm.

Steven Tyler 30:08 And she looked at me, and no one did before. Well, what's... no different than any other human. So then s- '65, '66, '67, Chain Reaction, '68, The Strangers, '69 was Woodstock. I went early and left three days later. I still have a Coca-Cola cooler. We, we... the day it was over, okay, we tried to start up the car and too much water got in the gas. We couldn't, couldn't get lost. And everybody left, and all their tents and all the sleeping bags were just left there-... hundreds of acres of tents. You... there's no pictures of it.

Joe Rogan 30:46 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 30:46 I walked around, and I thought... You know, so I stole a Coke cooler, and I still have that to this day.

Joe Rogan 30:50 You still have it?

Steven Tyler 30:51 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But it was a great-

Joe Rogan 30:53 Was it from Coca-Cola? Like it was-

Steven Tyler 30:54 It was a Coca-Cola cooler-

Joe Rogan 30:55 ... something that they left there, they were selling?

Steven Tyler 30:55 ... that you brought your shit in.

Joe Rogan 30:56 Oh.

Steven Tyler 30:56 You just, just, you know.

Joe Rogan 30:58 Right.

Steven Tyler 30:58 With a opener on the side, you know. But I remember walking down this path, it was called Groovie Way, and I stole, I stole this pa- banner off the trees, which we used for the, for Aerosmith in the beginning. I had these girls duplicate it, so it was, it was two guys looking at each other, you know, smoking a joint, and that was the Aerosmith thing in the beginning. But when I was at Woodstock, I'm walking down Groovie Way, and it was where Ken Kesey and the, the Magic... The Pranksters, they had all their buses. So I'm tripping on acid, and these helicopters are coming by with 500 pounds of hot dogs, and they're dropping them.

Joe Rogan 31:40 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 31:40 They're dropping them in a field, and you hear this (banging) . And I shit you not. And then another giant pile of pots and pans to cook the hot dogs. I mean, it was a disaster area. Woodstock. You know this, right?

Joe Rogan 31:55 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 31:56 Anyway, so I grab the pots and pans, and I started (banging) and some other guy walks over, and he's going (tapping) . Another guy comes over, and he starts doing this (tapping) . By the time I was done, an hour later, there was 50 people banging on every pot that was there.

Joe Rogan 32:19 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 32:20 That was a moment. And then when I got up from that, tripping my ass off, I walked down a path, and walking towards me was one guy, and it was Joey Kramer, my drummer, who I knew from high school, but that I met there. Later on, to become... I was the drummer for Aerosmith in the beginning. So move forward now, '60, '70, all the bands have broke up. I went up to Sunapee, I was mowing the lawn at a place called Traurico, my family place, that I did my whole life. It's what I do. I'm a country boy. 360 acres that my Italian family bought that came over from Calabria in 19- 1890, five brothers that were musicians. So they worked in New York City. They made a little money. So for four grand, they bought 300 acres. So every year of my life, when I was born in fucking 1948...

Joe Rogan 33:14 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 33:15 (clears throat) (laughs) I mean, it's like f- what... how f- ... You know, I know I was 70 couple months ago, but I feel like I just... When people would say that, it was like, "What?" My daught- my daughter, Chelsea would say, "It's a big one, Dad. You gotta stay here. We gotta celebrate it." And I, I... it's no... I have no concept of time. I feel like on one hand, I've lived 300 lives already, on the other, I feel like-

Joe Rogan 33:43 It just happened.

Steven Tyler 33:43 ... how does that... what's that number?

Joe Rogan 33:45 Right.

Steven Tyler 33:45 That's a fuck of a big number.

Joe Rogan 33:47 Does it feel like it just happened?

Steven Tyler 33:49 Oh, it j- definitely.

Joe Rogan 33:50 Like, you, you look back and think of, like, Aerosmith's first gigs and feel like, "God, that just feels like a couple a years ago."

Steven Tyler 33:56 A couple years ago. Couple years ago. One... That's the thing about Aerosmith. Okay, so we went up in Sunapee. He drove by in his MG and his glasses with white tape in the middle. I'm fucking telling you, man.

Joe Rogan 34:07 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 34:07 Hair down to here. "Come on, man. Come hear my band." So I went and heard him. It was a Joe Perry proj- no, it was a (clears throat) , um, the Jam Band, Joe Perry Jam Band. And they were... They, they only had one song that was good. I won't get into it, but...

Joe Rogan 34:24 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 34:24 'Cause they c- couldn't, you know. They weren't in tune and shit. But they played Rattlesnake Shake, you know, by, um, um, Mick Fleetwood, you know, Fleetwood Mac. And when I heard that, I sa- I sat there and I went... Life flashed. All the bands that I was in that I broke up, I know why. And I knew that if I take all the shit that I know and put it into that and try to carve that shit out, if we can live together, smoke weed together, fuck girls together in the same apartment, we'll have it. And all I wanna do is get my fucking toe in the door. That's all I ever wanted to do. If I could just get into the Comedy Club, look into my eyes.

Joe Rogan 35:04 Yeah. I know that feeling.

Steven Tyler 35:06 Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:07 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 35:07 So, h- we move to Boston, and I'm the drummer. And one day, Ray Tabano, our p- our guitar player at the time, walks in and he goes, "Hey, I got a friend of yours." 'Cause I didn't really wanna play the drums. You're behind everybody, you know. You get pissed off. Your wife wonders why you're not on the cover or something, right? I said, "I'm gonna be the lead singer, 'cause I wanna get laid." "Well, what do you wanna do?"

Joe Rogan 35:33 Well, Tommy Lee was the drummer.

Steven Tyler 35:35 Oh, well, he had a fucking 12-inch cock.

Joe Rogan 35:37 He fucked every- that helped.

Steven Tyler 35:38 Okay, that helped.

Joe Rogan 35:39 He's a good-looking guy too. That helped.

Steven Tyler 35:40 "Hi, my name is Tommy Lee." (slams table)

Joe Rogan 35:42 Right.

Steven Tyler 35:42 What?

Joe Rogan 35:43 That helps. But they have to see it first, to know.

Steven Tyler 35:46 And believe me.

Joe Rogan 35:48 They saw.

Steven Tyler 35:48 He showed it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:51 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 35:52 We used to... I, I, I... We were up in Vancouver doing our best records. (clears throat) And, uh, Nikki Sixx, dear friend of mine, he was in Maui with me, and I said, "You know what, man? We gotta climb to the top of that hill. E- You gotta stop smoking." And we did. We climbed to the very top of the hill. Right above Nude Beach, Little Beach, and Big Beach. Anyway, it's far. It's like this. He was like... (panting) And I... So he quit smoking, and he got sober. We went to a meeting that night and everything. I get up to Vancouver, and they're in studio B, we're in studio A. He's with, uh, Bob Rock. They're producing this album called, I don't know what. I don't know. They asked me to sing on it, and (clears throat) Dr. Feelgood, right?

Joe Rogan 36:40 Mm.

Steven Tyler 36:41 And the fucking record... It was one of the first times...... musicians, when you get your shit put on, uh, Pro Tools and it gets fixed, it ain't you anymore.

Joe Rogan 36:50 Right.

Steven Tyler 36:50 See, I'm from the old school where if you practice and get good, you're good.

Joe Rogan 36:53 Right.

Steven Tyler 36:54 So, what you did at the Comedy Store the first time, you could do in your basement in front of your kids. Be just as good.

Joe Rogan 37:00 So-

Steven Tyler 37:01 Don't you think?

Joe Rogan 37:01 Yeah. So, Pro Tools-

Steven Tyler 37:03 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 37:03 ... for musicians, it's like they also-

Steven Tyler 37:05 It makes you good.

Joe Rogan 37:06 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 37:06 It can, it can take your, your vocal and fix it.

Joe Rogan 37:09 Right.

Steven Tyler 37:10 It can take your drums and put y- and, and, and fix it to a grid. (beatboxing)

Joe Rogan 37:12 Does that bother you? Right.

Steven Tyler 37:15 Nah. Heck, what are you gonna do about it?

Joe Rogan 37:16 But it does make the music sound better, but-

Steven Tyler 37:19 Yeah, but listen to Charlie Watts.

Joe Rogan 37:20 Right, right.

Steven Tyler 37:21 He drags so beautifully, and, and, and Keith Richards.

Joe Rogan 37:24 Well, that was my point. Like, is it, is there... there's something missing from that, right?

Steven Tyler 37:27 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:27 Like, it's, the soul's gone.

Steven Tyler 37:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:29 'Cause now it's computerized.

Steven Tyler 37:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:30 And even though it's really good, it's still not the same as listening to James Brown.

Steven Tyler 37:35 Just think about this. Yeah, they got a new song, each band.

Joe Rogan 37:38 Right, right.

Steven Tyler 37:39 But, yeah, if they're all using Pro Tools and fixin' shit, yeah, it's the same sound coming out.

Joe Rogan 37:44 Right.

Steven Tyler 37:45 Now, maybe a different singer, but sa- and-

Joe Rogan 37:47 But it's the same feeling, right?

Steven Tyler 37:48 A- and you... by the way, you can do it really professionally. You can... th- in my eyes, some of my dear friends, Marty Friedrichs and Nuno Bettencourt, these fuckers get up, get behind it and... (knocking on desk) Ready for your vocal?

Joe Rogan 37:59 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 38:00 Yeah. We'll come up with, uh, << Hey, ch- ch- jaded. You got your mama's style, but you're yesterday's child to me >> Done. Recorded. They move it there, they move it there, they move it there. They got the drums, they go, "Listen, you think we got a song?" And I go, "You think?" That, that's how easy it is.

Joe Rogan 38:18 Right.

Steven Tyler 38:19 That's how easy, and I've done that-

Joe Rogan 38:21 Do you-

Steven Tyler 38:21 ... many times.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Do you miss-

Steven Tyler 38:22 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 38:23 ... the raw, no changing, no adjusting, no enhancing?

Steven Tyler 38:28 No, no, no. Wait a minute. I've done that many times.

Joe Rogan 38:30 Right. Of course.

Steven Tyler 38:31 I've taken... Like, what did I do that on? Pink. I'm down in Florida, uh, I'm at the Marlon Hotel. I'm living in a room. I'm sober as can be. When I say that, that means, like, when the sun went down, I turned the light on and I'd start writing. << Pink, is now, you know, you're my new obs- obsession. Pink, ain't even no question. Pink, on the lips of your lover. Pink, what you will discover. And I think that if >> You just... it... that's how it went.

Joe Rogan 39:17 Right.

Steven Tyler 39:18 So, I did that for... until the sun came up and I turned the light off. (laughs) So, I used that time period at night for the whole album. That whole album was... I wrote everything at night when I was... I would get so tired, I'd feel stoned, and I would write. And then I would take the lyrics of Pink, and I wrote seven verses, which I only needed three, but I wrote seven. Aerosmith's biggest secret, wrote 21 songs, only put 14 on an album. Hello? Pick the best outta 21?

Joe Rogan 39:50 Right.

Steven Tyler 39:50 You're gonna have a good album.

Joe Rogan 39:51 Right.

Steven Tyler 39:52 That's like you going somewhere for three months, writing your new fucking skit, your new skit, and you get, you hit on, you, you're doing your edibles or whatever gets you off, you hit on three fucking incredible things.

Joe Rogan 40:03 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 40:04 You write them through. You come back, and if you want to, you can do all three if you want to. On your worst day, uh, the worst one is great 'cause you're Joe Rogan. You already know what good is. You know what funny is. You know how to make that... You know how to weave something together. All right. So I put... and, and this was before Pro Tools, a thing called ADATs. And so the guy we're working with says, "Sing that chorus. Si- sing that verse." And so we already had the chorus, I sang that verse. He just put that verse in, in... or, where all the verses go, and I listened back, and I went, "Fuck, we got such a great song here." That's how I use Pro Tools. I, I don't use it to manipulate.

Joe Rogan 40:49 Right.

Steven Tyler 40:49 I'll never, I'll never fix my vocal. Um-

Joe Rogan 40:52 But your vocals, there's something about your vocals that you wouldn't enhance them if you fixed them. Like, you have a raw, soulful quality to your voice that if you fucked with that and digitized it, you'd lose all of it. I mean, I'm sure they can do some things, the, the real artists with Pro Tools, and, and, and move things around that will still sound amazing.

Steven Tyler 41:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:12 But there's no errors in your singing. You know what I'm saying? Any crackle or pop-

Steven Tyler 41:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:17 ... is just gonna be better.

Steven Tyler 41:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:18 It's just-

Steven Tyler 41:18 When do you learn that?

Joe Rogan 41:19 You feel that. As, as a, as an adult, as a person who doesn't look for perfection, you just look for beauty.

Steven Tyler 41:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:25 You know, perfection is not beauty.

Steven Tyler 41:28 No.

Joe Rogan 41:28 Y' know what I mean? It's, it's an unattainable thing. Chase it, and you can get excellence.

Steven Tyler 41:32 And what's wrong with America right now is everybody's trying to get a look for that perfection.

Joe Rogan 41:36 And stuff fat in their ass.

Steven Tyler 41:38 Yeah. That, that-

Joe Rogan 41:39 Rubber in their lips.

Steven Tyler 41:39 ... that too. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:41 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 41:41 But there is no perfection. In fact, there's... in, in imperfection, s- I'm a- it's abu-

Joe Rogan 41:46 It's beauty in imperfection. Yeah.

Steven Tyler 41:47 ... most peop- ... so, if you listen to the first album, some of my first songs, << It comes once a day on the shade on my window. Boo shit. >>

Joe Rogan 41:59 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 41:59 So, I'm watching Janis Joplin. I went, "What the fuck?" << Jagged Little Blue... >>

Joe Rogan 42:04 Right.

Steven Tyler 42:04 Mick Jagger and fucking Little Richard, the one, The Beatles are just-

Joe Rogan 42:08 Me and Bobby McGee.

Steven Tyler 42:08 ... went to a part, p- y- you know, Paul's-

Joe Rogan 42:11 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 42:11 ... Paul's daughter c- you know-

Joe Rogan 42:12 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 42:12 ... texts me all the time, you know? And she's, she's beautiful, good fucking line of clothes beyond belief. And, um, she goes, "Dad's having drinks. Come on over."

Joe Rogan 42:20 Uh-oh.

Steven Tyler 42:21 So, this was three nights ago. "Come on. Drink's five... Listen."

Joe Rogan 42:23 Over like a fat bag of coke.

Steven Tyler 42:23 "You can smoke a-" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:24 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 42:24 "... a cheese spliff all day here with 10 bags of coke, and I'll watch you."

Joe Rogan 42:28 Okay.

Steven Tyler 42:28 I just, I just don't do it.

Joe Rogan 42:30 I understand.

Steven Tyler 42:30 I got that strength, you know what I'm saying? Thank you, Lord. I thank you, God.

Joe Rogan 42:34 I appreciate it.

Steven Tyler 42:34 So, I walk in and, um, doesn't mean I don't wanna do it while I'm watching this one and that one do it.

Joe Rogan 42:39 I get it.

Steven Tyler 42:40 And wanna crawl up her ass.

Joe Rogan 42:41 (laughs) My friend Doug Stanhope says he's waiting to do heroin right before he dies.

Steven Tyler 42:45 Oh, it's fun.

Joe Rogan 42:46 I heard it's amazing.

Steven Tyler 42:47 Well, think about it. When do they give you morphine?

Joe Rogan 42:49 Right before you die.

Steven Tyler 42:50 No, no, no.... that's-

Joe Rogan 42:51 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 42:52 ... that's, I don't know what that drug is, but yeah, they give you something like that, right?

Joe Rogan 42:55 They've d- they've done that too, yeah.

Steven Tyler 42:55 When do they give you morphine?

Joe Rogan 42:57 When you're in pain.

Steven Tyler 42:57 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 42:58 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 42:58 And who, what human isn't in pain a- all the fucking time?

Joe Rogan 43:01 A lot of people are in pain all the time.

Steven Tyler 43:03 (sighs) Those that can't get their shit together and a- at night they go home and they, they jerk off, and then they drink a beer and they smoke, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 43:08 Right.

Steven Tyler 43:09 Uh, i- it's a little hard for people. They don't make enough money. They, you know, vote for Trump. Whatever the fuck's going on in America right now-

Joe Rogan 43:16 Right.

Steven Tyler 43:16 ... I can't figure it out. But a lot of people, like I was when I was younger, are in pain.

Joe Rogan 43:22 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 43:22 Girlfriends leave you, you're in pain. That white picket fence and the h- and the wi- and the wife, 18 years she leaves you, you got two kids, I'm in fucking pain. I'm in pain. So what's the best thing to do? (sighs)

Joe Rogan 43:37 Is that the best thing to do though?

Steven Tyler 43:39 No, it's not, but that's why people do it.

Joe Rogan 43:41 What's the best thing to do? What is the best thing to do when you're in pain?

Steven Tyler 43:43 Well, uh, we have to be a little bit elevated as humans to know what to do in that case. You listen to people like Marianne Williamson.

Joe Rogan 43:53 I don't know who she is.

Steven Tyler 43:54 You don't, you, she's f- fucking brilliant.

Joe Rogan 43:57 Do you know who she is, Jamie? He doesn't know anything about this.

Steven Tyler 43:59 (clears throat) She is fucking one of the most spiritual-

Joe Rogan 44:02 Is she a singer?

Steven Tyler 44:02 P- no, she's just a spiritual person, man.

Joe Rogan 44:04 Oh, she's spiritual.

Steven Tyler 44:05 When I got sober I started listening to her tapes. I'd get on the treadmill in the morning, you know, 'cause I, I can't even, I don't even feel alive unless I'm outta breath. And that's what I get for being a musician. I lose a pound a night on stage sweating with Aerosmith, right? I'm up there with, standing next to fucking Joe Perry, really. The last of the real rock stars. You, you stood across from him.

Joe Rogan 44:27 He's a bad motherfucker.

Steven Tyler 44:28 I don't know if he was stoned or not with you-

Joe Rogan 44:29 He feels weird.

Steven Tyler 44:29 ... but he's f-

Joe Rogan 44:32 When I get text messages from him, I'm like, "Holy shit. Joe Perry sent me a text message."

Steven Tyler 44:36 And I fucking, and I saw him in the beginning and I knew he was that.

Joe Rogan 44:39 Oh, he's something special.

Steven Tyler 44:40 I knew he was that.

Joe Rogan 44:41 He's got a, he's got a recognizable, there's like certain people that have a sound, you know? And Joe has, he absolutely has a sound. You know who has a sound? Gary Clark, Jr.

Steven Tyler 44:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Like you hear Gary Clark, Jr. play guitar, you go, "Oh, okay."

Steven Tyler 44:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:55 "That's a Gary Clark, Jr. riff."

Steven Tyler 44:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:57 You know, there's certain people that have a sound. Joe most certainly has a sound. It's like he's expressing himself through that guitar in a very recognizable way. You know?

Steven Tyler 45:08 Y- yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:08 You two together, man, what a fucking combination that was with his guitar and your voice, and goddamn.

Steven Tyler 45:13 But here's, but here's the, and here's the trip. You know, i- in the beginning, you know, the first album people have said, "Who's singing on the second album?" (high voice) "'Cause on the second album I kinda sang like that." (normal voice) And I kinda like that Peewee Herman-

Joe Rogan 45:25 Mm.

Steven Tyler 45:26 ... chocolatey.

Joe Rogan 45:27 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 45:27 I kinda fucking, I kinda put that s-

Joe Rogan 45:29 What were you doing?

Steven Tyler 45:30 I, because I wanna sound Black.

Joe Rogan 45:31 Oh.

Steven Tyler 45:31 Who, what the fuck? I'm not stupid.

Joe Rogan 45:33 I get it.

Steven Tyler 45:33 I wanted to put some fucking-

Joe Rogan 45:35 Soul.

Steven Tyler 45:35 ... soul in my voice. I knew I had it and-

Joe Rogan 45:39 So you're trying to force it out like a baby.

Steven Tyler 45:41 Oh, no, I, uh, I, no, no, what I learned was, you know, like from, uh, uh, Nat King Cole, that's the kinda music I listened to when I was a kid. When I met Natalie I walked up behind her and I went, (singing) "Key-mo, kye-mo, stare, stare, mahi, maho, marum stick, pumpernickel soup, bang nip, cat parliament, cha cameo, I love you." She went, (gasps) "No one has sung that ever to me except my daddy." And it was, his dad passed obviously way before but that's, those are the records I listened to. That was Nat-

Joe Rogan 46:11 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 46:11 ... singing his best shit.

Joe Rogan 46:12 Right.

Steven Tyler 46:13 And, um-

Joe Rogan 46:13 So you wanted to recreate that-

Steven Tyler 46:14 ... so I wanted to sound, I just, well here's what I wanted to sound. I wanted to sound more like Joe Perry was playing.

Joe Rogan 46:19 Ah.

Steven Tyler 46:20 And singing really sweet and nice. Listen to Dream On, it's sweet and nice. I kinda, I kinda went there when, we wrote a song on a waterbed, Joe Perry and I. We were sitting around smoking a big fatty, and, um, Mark Lehman was there. He was our road manager, and we s- and Joe goes ... (singing) I'm looking at him, and that was a sentence. He spoke to me.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Right.

Steven Tyler 46:59 And I said, (singing) "We all live on the edge of town where we all live ain't a soul around. People stop and come in on the do just to grin. Say we gotta move out cold city moving in." See what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 47:13 Right.

Steven Tyler 47:13 He sh- it's how he spoke to me.

Joe Rogan 47:15 Y- and you-

Steven Tyler 47:15 I answered him.

Joe Rogan 47:16 ... translated it.

Steven Tyler 47:16 I an- yeah, well, I would listen to the b- we would sit around and we would jam. That's what we did the best. And we would create this music, and I would put the headphones on later 'cause I'm the lyricist and I wrote the melody. I see when I heard Joe's band that, I thought, "I'm gonna take my dad, Vic Tallerico, who went to Julliard in New York," and I grew up in the Bronx, 5610 Nederland Avenue, 6G department, and I grew up under the piano. And I listened 'cause my dad would practice every day on a Steinway. So who lived between the notes? Joe. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 47:54 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 47:54 I love your names, Joe. I just love Joe's.

Joe Rogan 47:58 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 47:58 Fucking love Joe Perry. Fucking love, you know, he's my bro. You go, "Hey, Joe." "What the fuck, man?" It's always been that. So, but anyway, so I took my melody and, you know, what I hear when I listen to him playing, whoa, shit. I gotta talk to him.

Joe Rogan 48:14 So when you, when you guys did your second album and you did that sort of affectation, is that how you would call it-

Steven Tyler 48:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:20 ... of your voice?

Steven Tyler 48:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:21 Did you, after you heard it and you listened to like people talking about it-

Steven Tyler 48:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:25 ... did you decide to change it for the next album?

Steven Tyler 48:27 Wow, that's cool.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Just kinda-

Steven Tyler 48:28 I did just go away for a minute, didn't I? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:32 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 48:32 I love it when I do that.

Joe Rogan 48:35 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 48:35 Yeah, the, the melodies I learned from my dad and then listening to the music we listened to, you know, Dorsey and, uh, Frank Sinatra, and Nat King Cole, and, and then Janis Joplin, and The Village Fugs-... who were the first ones to put on the back of their album, uh, Lunatic Vagina. That's who so... who sa- sang the song. It's '61. The Mothers of Invention.

Joe Rogan 49:02 Wow.

Steven Tyler 49:02 These fucking bands. And I went, "What?" So I thought singing really s- like my dad taught me in the notes and right on and, (gasps) you know, << C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, and Y >> went whatever the fuck. You know (singing) wrong, (singing) wrong, (singing) wrong. You gotta... Not only that, but if you don't put inflections into it, there ain't no feeling and there ain't no meaning. << I got to love you like I do last time, baby >> Whoops.

Joe Rogan 49:34 Right.

Steven Tyler 49:36 You know, where you say it.

Joe Rogan 49:37 But you have to feel it.

Steven Tyler 49:39 Or y-

Joe Rogan 49:39 It can't be something you're trying to feel. It's gotta be something you actually feel. Does that make sense?

Steven Tyler 49:43 Yeah. Yeah. But I, I think, you know, Joe, hats off to him, man. Um, (smacks lips) the way he played his guitar and practiced at night, he'd fucking nod out. Y- he'd be sitting in his chair and the fucking ch- the couch caught on fire.

Joe Rogan 49:55 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 49:56 I walked in with a pot of water.

Joe Rogan 49:58 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 49:58 And he's laying there, room's full of smoke. I went, "Joe, what the fuck, man?" And he's playing this riff, and we turned it into a song. And this kinda stuff happened so much. And he did it awake too, I mean, fucking obviously, you know. Tom Hamilton, << Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, sweet emotion >> Th- that's w- how a band comes together, you know? And I can't tell you any other way than that magic. And every inch of the way, the reason it doesn't feel like I'm 70, and I don't feel the time, and it feels like yesterday we just started, is because every time I'm on stage, I'm singing those same fucking songs again, same way, same feeling, same looking, same people. Different people. Different people, but I'm singing those same songs. Do you know the guy that's looking... so anyway, so to answer your question, second album sounds a little bit more raunchy, more in tune with Joe's guitar, and I think we found our sound second album. Third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelfth, we got it.

Joe Rogan 50:59 Right.

Steven Tyler 50:59 But it took that. First album had songs on it like Walking the Dog, 'cause we were... we ran out of songs. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:06 Ugh.

Steven Tyler 51:06 With... that was the only song we played in clubs. I remember, "We got a contract. What are we gonna do?" So we wrote Moving Out. Then the guys would get stoned and drink Boone's Farm, and I'd go, "Come on, you guys. We fucking wrote this song." "Fuck you," and flick their joint at me.

Joe Rogan 51:21 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 51:22 So I remember getting pissed off, walking out. They hate me when I tell this story, but I remember being really fucking angry, walking out to this piano and writing. One Way Street. Um, I don't play guitar, and I wrote << ba, da, dum, do, do == um, Make it, Don't Break It, the first song on the first album. So some great shit because I feel like, you know, in anger, you know, I didn't know what to do, but I just... but I used that. So I, I wrote a bunch of songs, and I think it lit everybody's fuse. I think that. Joe certainly lit mine. Tom Hamilton, i- in his outtakes as he called them, Sweet Emotion. That's Tom Hamilton.

Joe Rogan 52:02 Now, through- throughout this whole time, were you exercising back then? Did you do things-

Steven Tyler 52:08 How do you mean exercise?

Joe Rogan 52:08 ... to move around back then or were you just living life? Because you say you- you were always trying to be out of breath.

Steven Tyler 52:14 How do you mean exercise?

Joe Rogan 52:14 You were always doing things physically.

Steven Tyler 52:16 No, no, what I'm saying now is, is like... it's like when I started getting sober, I thought, "Fuck, I got a treadmill and I got into shape."

Joe Rogan 52:21 And you didn't do that before you got sober?

Steven Tyler 52:23 No, because we were on tour.

Joe Rogan 52:24 Never?

Steven Tyler 52:24 Three sh- three shows a week.

Joe Rogan 52:25 Right.

Steven Tyler 52:26 I was 127 pounds.

Joe Rogan 52:28 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 52:28 I was just, you know, skinny mini and just trying to... there was no MTV.

Joe Rogan 52:32 Right.

Steven Tyler 52:33 We, we had to play by... just check this out. You wond- wonder what drugs I took and why. People get enamored by that, but take it out of the picture. We got high. I got high because my manager was getting stoned too. They loved it when bands were stoned, 'cause they could hand us a piece of paper and we would sign it.

Joe Rogan 52:52 Wow.

Steven Tyler 52:53 "Oh, 50% of all of our publishing. Thanks, pal." And words like in perpetuity. These fucking managers back then, I can tell you the dark secrets.

Joe Rogan 53:03 Please do.

Steven Tyler 53:03 You do. You want to hear it?

Joe Rogan 53:04 I do.

Steven Tyler 53:05 I just told you.

Joe Rogan 53:06 The dark secret is they'd get you high and get you to sign contracts.

Steven Tyler 53:08 Well, no. We all got high together.

Joe Rogan 53:10 Right.

Steven Tyler 53:10 But they knew when you were good and fucked up, you know, "Here, sign this." No. All managers loved it when their bands were fucked up. Think about it. Hendrix is stoned out of his fuck. "Here, sign this."

Joe Rogan 53:21 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 53:22 John Lennon thought... what was his name? The new Broom, when he got a new lawyer and Paul was with, with Belinda. Y- you know, it's, it's what happens back then. You get used.

Joe Rogan 53:34 Well, what happens today too, right? I mean, the record business has always been that way.

Steven Tyler 53:38 Y- yeah. Always.

Joe Rogan 53:38 'Cause artists are impulsive, and they're not business wise, and people come along and exploit that.

Steven Tyler 53:43 Yes. Very impulsive.

Joe Rogan 53:45 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 53:45 To think of what it takes... if you study this for a second, what does it take for a bunch of guys we're not in love with each other, um, we love... I love w- I love... I really love what you just said. What's your name again? Young what?

Joe Rogan 53:58 Jamie.

Steven Tyler 53:59 Young Jamie. I love what you just said. C- can we talk after this? I'm... can I... will you tell me that again so I can write it down?

Joe Rogan 54:05 Sure.

Steven Tyler 54:06 See what I mean? Y- you know, so get five guys together-

Joe Rogan 54:09 Right.

Steven Tyler 54:09 ... that love what each other's doing.

Joe Rogan 54:10 Right.

Steven Tyler 54:10 I love the way Joey Kramer plays. Brad Whitford plays guitar like a madman. Joe Perry, Tom Hamilton, you know. To love what these guys do and then write songs, who are we? Who are we? We're fucking... and writing songs for 48 years still? When I turn the radio on, I hear Sweet Emotion and I've never... I hear that fucking song, I Don't... what is it? I Don't Wanna Kiss Your Thing? No, no. I Don't Want to Miss a Thing. I just fucking hear... I turn... I still turn it on and hear that old shit. What magic we had. What magic it takes for David Grohl to sit down and do his scribbling. He's a fucking... for as old as he is, he's 12. I love it.

Joe Rogan 54:55 Right.

Steven Tyler 54:55 When I walked into Paul McCartney's party, you know-... uh, what's his name was walking out. Where's Amy? H- help. (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 55:03 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 55:03 Dr. Dre was walking out. I walked in and there was Ringo, and it was, you know, Oprah. And there was... I mean, everybody that I... I live on Maui, so I live there with, uh-

Joe Rogan 55:13 You live in Maui?

Steven Tyler 55:14 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:15 Really?

Steven Tyler 55:17 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 55:17 But you don't get... What do you say, man? Why-

Steven Tyler 55:19 No, because everybody thinks Maui is Maui Wowie. Back in '72-

Joe Rogan 55:22 Everybody thinks that still?

Steven Tyler 55:23 Well, I don't know. In '72-

Joe Rogan 55:25 I think they don't think that anymore.

Steven Tyler 55:25 ... I could buy, I could buy a case of Maui Buds and have it sent right to my house. I did it all the time, from Maui. It was called Maui Wowie.

Joe Rogan 55:35 I've heard that name before.

Steven Tyler 55:36 Anyway, everybody thinks-

Joe Rogan 55:37 Wait, you live there right now?

Steven Tyler 55:38 I live there right now.

Joe Rogan 55:39 How is that like?

Steven Tyler 55:39 Okay, lookit.

Joe Rogan 55:40 That's gotta be beautiful.

Steven Tyler 55:41 I'm in an old-fashioned band. We all get paid the same. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:46 You okay?

Steven Tyler 55:49 (laughs) Oh, what? (snorts) An old-fashioned fucking band, who does that? Today-

Joe Rogan 55:54 We all get paid the same.

Steven Tyler 55:54 ... you got Rihanna. How much do you think she makes a night?

Joe Rogan 55:57 Uh, I don't know.

Steven Tyler 55:57 And the s- and the dancers?

Joe Rogan 55:59 I don't think about it.

Steven Tyler 55:59 Compared to...

Joe Rogan 56:01 Well, there's a big difference between-

Steven Tyler 56:01 Rihanna compared by the dancers.

Joe Rogan 56:03 ... Rihanna and the dancers and you-

Steven Tyler 56:04 But w- but when-

Joe Rogan 56:04 ... and Joe Perry.

Steven Tyler 56:05 Well, with the band, it's all, we all get paid the same.

Joe Rogan 56:07 Right.

Steven Tyler 56:09 When I took Idol, ka-ching.

Joe Rogan 56:12 Started making some paper.

Steven Tyler 56:13 Get that paper. Fuck.

Joe Rogan 56:15 Yeah. Is that why you did it?

Steven Tyler 56:16 Everybody made fun of me. And, but believe me-

Joe Rogan 56:18 Did you do it just for the money?

Steven Tyler 56:19 No, but, but... No, I, you know why I did it?

Joe Rogan 56:23 Why?

Steven Tyler 56:23 Because I thought nobody knew who I was. Everybody knows this guy. (knocks on table)

Joe Rogan 56:29 Singing. Nobody knew he was a human.

Steven Tyler 56:30 And everybody knows this guy. (knocks on table)

Joe Rogan 56:33 Oh.

Steven Tyler 56:33 And-

Joe Rogan 56:33 So you wanted them to know you as a human?

Steven Tyler 56:35 My mom... My mom's passed away and she said, she said, "You know, you, they need to see that side of you."

Joe Rogan 56:41 You as a person? But you decided-

Steven Tyler 56:43 She s-

Joe Rogan 56:43 ... that American Idol was the best way to show that?

Steven Tyler 56:45 I thought I, I t- was the first thing was... What else was c- uh... I had no managers back then that had the good sense to offer me anything. I got the offer from Marty Fredericson. I got the-

Joe Rogan 56:58 But how, how long ago was this? How long have you-

Steven Tyler 56:59 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 56:59 ... you been on this for?

Steven Tyler 57:00 Uh, 2000, 2000... '10 and '11, '11 to '12. I got to sit next to J.Lo and Randy Jackson, that motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 57:12 Mm.

Steven Tyler 57:12 What a beautiful guy. And J.Lo.

Joe Rogan 57:15 J.Lo's beautiful too.

Steven Tyler 57:16 (inhales deeply) You know, what us men need, I think what everyone needs, is a word called incentive, right?

Joe Rogan 57:22 Is it her ass?

Steven Tyler 57:23 It was her ass at the time.

Joe Rogan 57:24 That is incentive.

Steven Tyler 57:24 I'd look at it all the time, but she'd say, "You're harassing me." And I'd say, "Whose ass?"

Joe Rogan 57:29 Oh.

Steven Tyler 57:29 Her ass.

Joe Rogan 57:30 Womp, womp, womp.

Steven Tyler 57:30 Yeah, I know, but (sniffs) -

Joe Rogan 57:32 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 57:32 ... the funniest fucking thing is, we would do, all three of us, and I think that's missing now, but all three of us... Be- you know, to do American Idol, you gotta go to Des Moines, Iowa (clears throat) , and in a gym, and you're all set up with a whole crew and, you know, f- three people with these, with microphones. You know, the 12-foot mics hanging down over your head like this, and 12 cameras and high def up your up wazoo. And b- by... And 50, 40 people a day would come through. All these fif- 16-year-old, 17-year-old little trollops with, you know, red lipstick on and push-up bras and going, "Dream, the American Dream." Like, get outta here. You know, after-

Joe Rogan 58:17 Mm-hmm.

Steven Tyler 58:17 ... the eigh- af- af- after the 30th, 40th one, you're sitting there doing this.

Joe Rogan 58:21 Right.

Steven Tyler 58:22 You know? So we just gotta, you gotta w- you have to... You need that incentive from each other. And sometimes it would get so, it was just, shit burnt out after the 40th person, 50th person.

Joe Rogan 58:33 But that's what people like, though. There's something about American Idol. We like really talented people, but we also like people who are delusional.

Steven Tyler 58:39 (smacks lips) Yeah, and we... Trust me. It took me about, (groans) two weeks to get into it because I told myself, "I am never gonna tell some young girl who can't sing that she can't sing. Get the fuck outta here."

Joe Rogan 58:51 Right.

Steven Tyler 58:52 Like that other guy. You know what? I don't like you-

Joe Rogan 58:54 That Simon guy?

Steven Tyler 58:55 Mm. Yeah, Simon. "I don't like your music, besides which it's country and I don't like country." I heard him say that.

Joe Rogan 59:02 That seems not appropriate.

Steven Tyler 59:03 That's-

Joe Rogan 59:03 But that's also foolish. He's a weird case, isn't he? Because he's not a singer.

Steven Tyler 59:08 Well, you know what? He's, whatever he is, I said, "I'm a singer." How can I say that to a girl that's gonna be-

Joe Rogan 59:13 Right.

Steven Tyler 59:13 ... there may be some days breastfeeding her baby and wants to sing. Maybe she wants to... Her baby's sick and she's s- s- sitting at the, on the b- on the bed and wants to sing, but J.Lo told her she can't.

Joe Rogan 59:23 Right.

Steven Tyler 59:24 I didn't have it in me. I'd rather like-

Joe Rogan 59:25 Well, you shouldn't have it in you. I mean, that's his shtick, right?

Steven Tyler 59:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:29 His shtick is to be a mean guy.

Steven Tyler 59:30 Yeah, that was his shtick.

Joe Rogan 59:31 And people like that. They like that mean guy shit.

Steven Tyler 59:33 They, they would, they would say to me, "You gotta be s- c- come on man. Take it up a notch."

Joe Rogan 59:36 Who would say that? Did the producers?

Steven Tyler 59:38 The producers. You kidding?

Joe Rogan 59:39 You can't listen to them.

Steven Tyler 59:39 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 59:39 They don't know what the fuck they're doing. They're the ones-

Steven Tyler 59:41 Well-

Joe Rogan 59:41 ... who, uh-

Steven Tyler 59:42 ...they got me a couple times ago.

Joe Rogan 59:43 Did they?

Steven Tyler 59:44 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:44 They got you to turn it up?

Steven Tyler 59:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:45 And then you feel bad about it. Disingenuous, right?

Steven Tyler 59:48 Well, you know, I mean, like, there would be, there would be moments where, I mean, we were burnt. We're in, like I said-

Joe Rogan 59:56 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 59:57 ... Iowa or some Texas. (clears throat) And I'd look over and the, the boom started going like this, right? And it started getting... And, and they would say, "Number one," 'cause it was in the shot, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:00:09 (laughs) You know? And then so I would whip out my, a limerick, you know? It was... I'd go, "Time for a limerick!" And stop everybody. Everyone would stop and I'd say something like, you know, uh, I o- once m- met a whore from Dallas.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:00:24 She used a dynamite stick for a phallus. They found her vagina in North Carolina and her asshole in Buckingham Palace. And the fucking... You'd see the boom going like this. The place would, it was just enough to bring it up and we'd finish two more and we'd leave. But it was fun like that, and it was a good payday. So when you're asking me do I have a house in Maui, yeah. And I was made fun of for doing that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Well, who made fun of you for doing that?

Steven Tyler 1:00:49 Ah, Joe Perry didn't think it was a smart thing. He said, "That's one step under Ninja Turtles." (vocalizes)

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 (laughs) Is that what you said?

Steven Tyler 1:00:54 And he's my bro and I read that and I thought, I went, "What the fuck am I doing?"

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:00:58 "Joe, keep in mind, when I'm alone by myself," I went-

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Is he right?

Steven Tyler 1:01:03 When I thought to myself, "Would Bob Dylan do this?"

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 Ooh.

Steven Tyler 1:01:08 Yeah, I had those thoughts.

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:01:10 Kinda fucked me up for a minute. But then I went, "Fuck it."

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Bob Dylan doesn't have a house on Maui, does he?

Steven Tyler 1:01:15 No, I didn't have one then.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:01:17 But I wanted one.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 Got a house...

Steven Tyler 1:01:19 He's probably, how much, much money that guy's got?

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 I'm sure. He's got a house everywhere.

Steven Tyler 1:01:22 Anyways, so-

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 He's probably got a house on the moon.

Steven Tyler 1:01:23 So I took Idol and I, you know, I never... I-

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 So you bought a house on Maui with the money from Idol? This is where we-

Steven Tyler 1:01:29 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 ... we started.

Steven Tyler 1:01:29 You have kids, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 Yes.

Steven Tyler 1:01:30 Your youngest is what?

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Uh, she just turned eight.

Steven Tyler 1:01:33 Eight. Okay. I have, I have, uh... My two last kids, Chelsea and Taj, we lived in Marshfield, Massachusetts. And when I could, I would take them to either Disneyland or World, or Maui. Go to the Four Seasons and Discovery.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Beautiful.

Steven Tyler 1:01:51 Right? With your kids.

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:01:53 But every morning I'd wake up and I would run to the right and go all the way down to La Perouse, and I'd run back. That's like five miles down and five miles back. And I always saw this house. I thought, "Is that where..." I, I didn't know who lived there, but I thought somebody. What's the lead singer of The Grateful Dead?

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Jerry Garcia?

Steven Tyler 1:02:11 So I... Rumor was he lived there. I kept looking at it and it just-

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 Rumor.

Steven Tyler 1:02:14 ... it was this beautiful house. But it was ridiculous amount of millions. You know? I don't have that. You know, you don't have that when you're in a band. You share all the money. Plus management, publishing-

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 And then that contract you sign-

Steven Tyler 1:02:27 You know, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 ... when you're stoned.

Steven Tyler 1:02:28 I mean, come on.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:02:30 So you're into MMA. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 (laughs) Yeah, what a-

Steven Tyler 1:02:34 What a, what a slip-

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 And then segues too.

Steven Tyler 1:02:36 What a segue, right? Beautiful. So I'm looking at... Where the fuck is my notes? Help me, Michelle.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 I wanna talk to you about aliens.

Steven Tyler 1:02:45 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:02:46 Let's go with that.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 Heard you're-

Steven Tyler 1:02:47 Michelle, where the fuck is...

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 (laughs) You've got a lot of notes in front of you, man.

Steven Tyler 1:02:52 You think?

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 You have absolutely the most notes.

Steven Tyler 1:02:53 Well, I didn't... I never even finished that week.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 That's okay.

Steven Tyler 1:02:56 Okay. That's, that's-

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 We, we could do whatever you want, man.

Steven Tyler 1:02:58 No, no, we're good, man. This, this right here is really important.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 She's gonna... (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:03:04 So-

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:03:06 I know. What the fuck, man?

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 When did you compile these?

Steven Tyler 1:03:10 This morning.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 You just decided that-

Steven Tyler 1:03:12 Yeah, I finished the vocal last night at 11:00-

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 Okay.

Steven Tyler 1:03:15 ... up at Nuno Bettencourt's house. Got to bed at, like... I couldn't sleep till 4:00. I'm going, "It's your world control, what the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 What the fuck?

Steven Tyler 1:03:24 Oh, man. You're sweet, man.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 You're sweet too.

Steven Tyler 1:03:27 It's... I mean, what a format to talk. Truth. Not only that, when people watch your show, they know who's full of shit and who's not. I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 For sure, after a while, yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:03:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 Yeah. Once you get to know-

Steven Tyler 1:03:42 But, but the ones that are telling the truth? Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 They know that too. Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:03:45 And, and-

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 Well, this is like-

Steven Tyler 1:03:46 ... I think you're taking it up a whole shit load of notches.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 Well, this is what you were saying about American Idol. Like-

Steven Tyler 1:03:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 ... that before they knew you as just the guy behind the microphone, when you sang songs that touched people and moved people for... She, he, she just put it right over there.

Steven Tyler 1:03:59 No, give me that stack. Right in the middle.

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Oh, she wants a different stack.

Steven Tyler 1:04:02 Just... Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 Sorry, sorry.

Steven Tyler 1:04:05 It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 Um, but even that, like, this, having a conversation like this.

Steven Tyler 1:04:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 It's, uh... There's just not enough of these out there. Or, well, there is now, you know. Now there's more of them.

Steven Tyler 1:04:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 But, but for the longest time, you would never be able to have this kind of conversation because of the same people that would tell you to turn it up a notch on American Idol. There'd be producers around, there'd be people trying to fuck with things, adding their, their reaction.

Steven Tyler 1:04:29 And fix things, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 And this is my... Uh, the studio notes. We have notes. "This is what we want you to do, Steven."

Steven Tyler 1:04:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 "You know, we want you to talk about this. And stop doing that thing where you keep singing. People don't wanna hear that anymore."

Steven Tyler 1:04:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 "What we want you to do is this."

Steven Tyler 1:04:42 And for you to speak your mind like you do, your truth, and have someone across from you speak their truth, in their words, in any language they want, and not be edited or audited, is unreal.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Isn't that weird though that that's unusual?

Steven Tyler 1:04:56 Just think about it. 40 years ago, what... You couldn't, you couldn't say ass on the radio. I don't know if you can now.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 I think you can now, but-

Steven Tyler 1:05:04 I hear a shithole on f- on CNN, I watch-

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 Yeah, you can say that.

Steven Tyler 1:05:08 ... you know, Don Lemon. Don Lemon, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:05:11 One of my favorite guys. You know (snorts) , for, for, for, like, three weeks, quoting Trump-

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 Trump.

Steven Tyler 1:05:18 ... and, and shithole countries.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:05:20 I was great. I went, "Yeah, turn the TV up."

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 Well, it is a new freedom in terms of that. But I think it's because of the internet. People are getting used to swears. They're getting used to people just speaking unedited. They're getting used to uncensored video. They're getting used to things.

Steven Tyler 1:05:34 Well, it's just words.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:05:35 There's this uncensored behavior-

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:05:37 ... is beyond, is way past the word fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Sure. The words are just representative of thoughts and intent, right?

Steven Tyler 1:05:43 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 They're just noises.

Steven Tyler 1:05:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 It's like the best way to describe what's going on in your head is use all the words.

Steven Tyler 1:05:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Use them all. Use the ones that are really coming out of your head. Don't hold them back and give me some watered-down version of what your real thoughts are so I have to decipher it and sort of-

Steven Tyler 1:05:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 ... put it through a filter and try to figure out, "What did Steven mean by that?"

Steven Tyler 1:06:01 God, I got so, I got so angry at the way things were going about, God, I wanna say, six years ago that I quit management. I got my lawyer, Dino Lapole-

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 To manage your music?

Steven Tyler 1:06:13 ... he quit management to manage me.

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:06:15 Well, I quit the management that was managing the band.

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:06:19 And they're also gone now. God bless. One of them passed away, rest his soul. He was a good man. And the other one, uh, didn't have a lot of good things to tell the band. Wrong direction all the time. And now my band is with my management. We're together a-fucking-gain.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 Mm.

Steven Tyler 1:06:37 So six years ago, I would talk to people and I'd go, "You know what? Fuck you. I'm going on Rogan next week and I'm gonna fucking say your name."

Joe Rogan 1:06:44 Whoa.

Steven Tyler 1:06:44 I mean, I just built a house up in Laurel Canyon. These fucking guys... I'd come home and I had a water wall. And, you know, this guy, Lee, and people would come and go, and, and go, "Don't, don't tell fucking Tyler." And I wanted it leaned back so the water wall wouldn't-

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 Rolls down, right?

Steven Tyler 1:07:02 It rolls down and wouldn't spray on the bridge that goes across.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:07:06 Not a chance.So after a year, I get there and they go, "Oh, you know what I heard that, I heard him say? 'Fuck Tyler.'"

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 (gasps) .

Steven Tyler 1:07:15 You know, I'm just, you know, I'm just saying. So that's the kind of stuff I want, I'm on Rogan, you're a fucking toast, pal.

Joe Rogan 1:07:21 That manager story is a story that you hear f- I just heard it from a friend of mine. She was telling me about, uh, her manager was giving her shit advice, and she just dropped him. Why is there so many people in management that give shit advice? Like...

Steven Tyler 1:07:32 Well, because m- because outta 10, outta 10 of them, two, two of them know the answers, and they may be, they may be right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:39 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:07:40 The rest of them know how to play the game. If you read the book, it's easy.

Joe Rogan 1:07:44 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:07:44 To manage a band? Pff.

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 You just gotta tell them what they wanna hear.

Steven Tyler 1:07:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 Sweet talk them.

Steven Tyler 1:07:50 Uh, well, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 Be the guy in the suit.

Steven Tyler 1:07:51 But it's a hard thing to be a manager. It's f- it's f- to, to manage a band, it's even harder. The hardest thing is to know direction, to look at people's feelings.

Joe Rogan 1:08:00 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:08:01 Know what they're about, why they're about, what, to who, what, which, what guy in the band should do this interview, what interviews to do, which ones to do.

Joe Rogan 1:08:10 Which ones not to do, right?

Steven Tyler 1:08:11 Which ones not to do.

Joe Rogan 1:08:13 Well, don't do any one where they're gonna stop it in four minutes. You know those Tonight Show ones or anything like that.

Steven Tyler 1:08:18 Sometimes you have to.

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 And yeah, it just-

Steven Tyler 1:08:19 That's all they give you, you gotta take it.

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 I know, but it just seems so fucking...

Steven Tyler 1:08:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 ... forced and fake and...

Steven Tyler 1:08:24 This?

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 ... weird. Your book, you gotta sell books.

Steven Tyler 1:08:25 This s- this stands for me. I wrote a book-

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 You understand?

Steven Tyler 1:08:28 I was so fucking pissed. I wrote, "Does the noise in my head bother you?"

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:08:32 To people they would say that, I go, "What the fuck is wrong with you? What are you talking about?" What do you mean did I write lyrics? What did you do last night? The, the guys would give me shit for not writing lyrics or finishing a song.

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 They were upset that you were writing a book?

Steven Tyler 1:08:44 No, no, no, no, no. Back when you're writing a song and being in a band, right?

Joe Rogan 1:08:47 Right. Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:08:48 We, we're in the studio, we put the song down.

Joe Rogan 1:08:51 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:08:51 You lay the track down, and then Steven's gotta go and write the lyrics.

Joe Rogan 1:08:56 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:08:58 Well, if I don't, the next day they go, "Well what the fuck, man?" And I say, "Well I'm trying to get my wife pregnant."

Joe Rogan 1:09:05 Okay.

Steven Tyler 1:09:06 I, I have a life.

Joe Rogan 1:09:07 I get it.

Steven Tyler 1:09:08 What were you doing last night?

Joe Rogan 1:09:10 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:09:10 Uh, you know, but those are the kind of, that's kind of shit that happens. You get a lotta pressure on you. And then because they did that, I went and wrote Walk This Way, the lyrics. Had them in my bag, finished the whole record, got in a fucking cab, went to 351 West F- 3- 321 West 40, The Record Plant, New York.

Joe Rogan 1:09:31 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:09:31 Got out of the cab, went upstairs, went, "I got it," and I f- I fucking went white. I left the lyrics in the cab, the whole album.

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 (gasps) .

Steven Tyler 1:09:41 And my producer goes, "We're doing Walk This Way tonight." So I went upstairs, took a pencil, listened to the track like I did the night before that I wrote the lyrics, and wrote them on the wall. And, and that's what happened. But-

Joe Rogan 1:09:53 Whoa.

Steven Tyler 1:09:54 But, you know, no one in the band thought I, I left the lyrics.

Joe Rogan 1:09:57 Who the fuck has got those lyrics in that cab?

Steven Tyler 1:09:59 Somebody. But the worst-

Joe Rogan 1:10:01 Everybody thinks you fucked off.

Steven Tyler 1:10:02 The worst part, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:03 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:10:03 Uh, the band went, "Yeah, right. You left the lyrics in the cab."

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 (sighs)

Steven Tyler 1:10:07 And you know what? Maybe when you're stoned on coke and, you know, when you're stoned on coke nothing's funny.

Joe Rogan 1:10:12 Right.

Steven Tyler 1:10:12 It's, it's really a suck-ass drug.

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 Mm. That's why I avoided it.

Steven Tyler 1:10:16 Good for you.

Joe Rogan 1:10:16 Thank you.

Steven Tyler 1:10:18 Speed could get you... Well, you know what? I'm, I-

Joe Rogan 1:10:20 A little bit of speed-

Steven Tyler 1:10:20 To, to me-

Joe Rogan 1:10:21 ... maybe, seems like the move. (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:10:22 Yeah, I bet you it does, a little bit of speed.

Joe Rogan 1:10:23 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:10:23 But, but, well co- there's coffee right here.

Joe Rogan 1:10:26 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Steven Tyler 1:10:27 I have one sip.

Joe Rogan 1:10:27 It's good.

Steven Tyler 1:10:28 It's good. I can feel it. Downers for me and how I... Look at you, you're shaking.

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 I had stem cell shots put my shoulder today.

Steven Tyler 1:10:36 Oh, come on.

Joe Rogan 1:10:37 I'm very stiff. That's what it is, excellent.

Steven Tyler 1:10:38 Did you really?

Joe Rogan 1:10:39 Yeah, both shoulders.

Steven Tyler 1:10:39 Did they take them out of here?

Joe Rogan 1:10:41 No. There's some new process they do. I'm in, uh, serious pain right now.

Steven Tyler 1:10:44 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:10:45 That's why I'm shaking. Like watch, I could barely pick this up.

Steven Tyler 1:10:48 I, as you saw, I thought, "Fuck it's coffee. I'm doing it too."

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 No, it's not the coffee.

Steven Tyler 1:10:51 Look.

Joe Rogan 1:10:52 No.

Steven Tyler 1:10:52 One, two.

Joe Rogan 1:10:52 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:10:53 I know it looks-

Joe Rogan 1:10:53 If you just got me five hours ago-

Steven Tyler 1:10:54 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:10:54 ... I'd be moving like a, like-

Steven Tyler 1:10:57 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:10:57 ... perfect something, like something smooth. I'll be okay in a day.

Steven Tyler 1:11:00 Yeah. What do I take for my feet? Uh, Gabapentin. Ga- yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 What did you get?

Steven Tyler 1:11:05 Gabapentin.

Joe Rogan 1:11:06 Gabapentin?

Steven Tyler 1:11:06 Gabapentin, it's a great drug.

Joe Rogan 1:11:08 Oh.

Steven Tyler 1:11:08 It's not, you don't get high from it, but it kills the pain.

Joe Rogan 1:11:10 This is to, uh, alleviate some shoulder tears. I have some tears, some tissues.

Steven Tyler 1:11:14 Look at the fucking size of you.

Joe Rogan 1:11:16 Work out.

Steven Tyler 1:11:17 Yeah, I can see.

Joe Rogan 1:11:18 Yeah.

Steven Tyler 1:11:18 So which is a great... So by the way, let's go quickly.

Joe Rogan 1:11:21 Back to your book.

Steven Tyler 1:11:22 Yeah. You know, "Does the noise in my head bother you?" I wrote this and I wrote you a little, uh, oh so-

Joe Rogan 1:11:26 Oh, you wrote me something? Oh, thank you man.

Steven Tyler 1:11:28 Yeah. Aren't I sweet?

Joe Rogan 1:11:29 Thank you. That, you were very sweet.

Steven Tyler 1:11:30 Read what I wrote you.

Joe Rogan 1:11:30 That's awesome, man.

Steven Tyler 1:11:31 Read what I wrote.

Joe Rogan 1:11:32 "Just remember the less hair I got, the more head you get." Okay. The more-

Steven Tyler 1:11:38 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:38 The less hair you got, the more head you get.

Steven Tyler 1:11:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:40 That makes sense.

Steven Tyler 1:11:41 You think?

Joe Rogan 1:11:42 "Love, Steven Tyler." Um-

Steven Tyler 1:11:44 Steven Tyler.

Joe Rogan 1:11:44 Yes. What'd I say?

Steven Tyler 1:11:46 Y- you said Steve.

Joe Rogan 1:11:47 I think I said Steven Tyler.

Steven Tyler 1:11:48 Let's go back, tape it. We can't. I'm pretty sure I've never said Steve Tyler ever, so...

Joe Rogan 1:11:52 (laughs)

Steven Tyler 1:11:52 I don't care. I don't