Joe Rogan Experience #1117 - Tim Kennedy

1. 0:06 – 2:15

   Tim Kennedy’s OCD: time clocks, symmetry, and “spotting what’s off”

   1. TKTim Kennedy0:06

      I don't know if I can handle that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      What? The clock's wrong?

   3. TKTim Kennedy0:08

      No, does it ... I mean, just s- subtly. S- subtly.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Are we live? Yeah. Yeah. One of 'em's wrong. Which one? Which one is it? I think they're both wrong. It's 12:11. That says-

   5. TKTim Kennedy0:18

      Oh, 15.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      ... that says 12:11. One says 12:15.

   7. TKTim Kennedy0:21

      It's 12:13 on my phone.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      12:13.

   9. TKTim Kennedy0:23

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Yeah, so they're both wrong. This, this one says 12:14, that one says 12:11.

   11. TKTim Kennedy0:28

       This is averaging. And when I ... I wanna strap C4 to this, and this one I wanna spike-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       (laughs)

   13. TKTim Kennedy0:30

       ... against the wall. Yeah, that's what I wanna do.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Are you OCD with time?

   15. TKTim Kennedy0:34

       Dude-

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Or with everything?

   17. TKTim Kennedy0:35

       I ... With everything.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Yeah?

   19. TKTim Kennedy0:36

       Yeah. Like, my reloading room is disgustingly perfect. And if I load the dishwasher, all the forks have to be symmetrical on one side, and the spoons have to be in the other. And all ... Like, all the mugs, the tall ones have to be on one side, and then like ... Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       What's that all about?

   21. TKTim Kennedy0:48

       I don't know. I, I think it came back to, um ...

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Pull the sucker up to your face.

   23. TKTim Kennedy0:53

       The, uh ... When you c- ... When everything's the same and something's not the same, it's easy, it's easiest to see that way.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Right.

   25. TKTim Kennedy1:01

       Right? So, like counterfeiting. Like, if you're, if you're buying a chick in ... A 13-year-old girl in Tijuana, and you're gonna wanna get the guy for counterfeit money and you wanna get him for human trafficking, um, and he starts handing you crappy bills, the easiest way to spit, spot the bills is to be able to see ... Have all of your proper bills all in the right order so the one that's fake is gonna stick out. And then you're like, "Oh, man, I'm gonna-"

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       Only you would use that example. When you're going to Tijuana and someone's trafficking human slavery-

   27. TKTim Kennedy1:32

       But that's a good example.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       ... with h- counterfeit money. It is a good example.

   29. TKTim Kennedy1:34

       Mm-hmm. Yeah. And if you have a 13-year-old girl with a bunch of 18-year-old girls, you can see the 13-year-old get a little, little bit easier.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       Right.
2. 2:15 – 3:32

   Training like a planner: fight preparation, corner strategy, and Greg Jackson stories

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:15

      And what about with, like, when you were fighting? W- your training, did you, like, m- map out everything-

   2. TKTim Kennedy2:19

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      ... to the rep-

   4. TKTim Kennedy2:20

      Yep.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:20

      ... to the detail?

   6. TKTim Kennedy2:21

      Yep.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:22

      Training notes?

   8. TKTim Kennedy2:23

      Mm-hmm. Greg, Greg, y- if y- if y- if you watched some of our fights in ... I mean, you were cage side for almost all of mine in the UFC, you'd hear Greg be like, "Okay, so that went according to plan," or, "All right, so, uh, let's go ahead and change things up a little bit 'cause you just got your ass kicked." (laughs) You know? And so then we'd have to adjust.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      He's one of the more interesting corner guys.

   10. TKTim Kennedy2:42

       He's so much fun.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       Yeah. He's, uh, he enjoys it and he seems to, like, want you to enjoy it too.

   12. TKTim Kennedy2:47

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       He's like, "All right, that went amazing."

   14. TKTim Kennedy2:51

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       You know? He's like-

   16. TKTim Kennedy2:51

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       ... "God, these ... Let's get some deep breaths. You're doing fantastic."

   18. TKTim Kennedy2:54

       Yeah. In between, um, rounds with Michael Bisping, it was a five-round fight, um, he comes in and tells me a jo- ... H- he told, he told me, like, a knock-knock joke and then a why a chicken crossed the road joke. And I, I'm sitting there, and there's a picture of me, like, quizzically looking at him. I'm like, "I'm gonna kill you after this."

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       (laughs)

   20. TKTim Kennedy3:09

       You know? Like, "What are you doing?" And he just wanted me to relax. He just wanted me to breathe, wanted me ... 'Cause I was doing everything I was supposed to be doing and, um, I just needed to, you know ...

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       He just thought you were too tense?

   22. TKTim Kennedy3:19

       Yeah, apparently.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       Huh.

   24. TKTim Kennedy3:21

       Yeah. What a dick. Playing mind games in the middle of, in the middle of a fight.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       Well, you have one minute to figure out what to do, what to say to a guy who just was-

   26. TKTim Kennedy3:29

       Yeah. Well, some people have one minute.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       ... throwing bombs for five minutes.

   28. TKTim Kennedy3:32

       Yeah.

3. 3:32 – 6:00

   The Yoel Romero controversy: Vaseline, extra rest, and title implications

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:32

      Yeah. Some people have a little more. Do you know that I discussed that yesterday with Big John af- ... I had Big John on the podcast yesterday. We fucked up and he forgot to talk about it during the podcast, but after the podcast he explained what happened.

   2. TKTim Kennedy3:44

      Uh-huh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:44

      He says that it was the UFC cut man's fault 'cause he left a giant glob of Vaseline on Yoel's eye. He didn't wanna touch it because he felt like if he touched it, it could open the cut up again.

   4. TKTim Kennedy3:55

      Yep.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:56

      He called the ... I guess it was ... The guy's named Tate? He tried to call and get the guy to come back in. The guy wouldn't come back in. So the corner man tried to come in. He said, "No." He's like, "You gotta bring the cut man back." And then he wound up doing it by himself.

   6. TKTim Kennedy4:08

      It was the perfect storm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:09

      He said, "He fucked up."

   8. TKTim Kennedy4:11

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:11

      He said, "Yoel was definitely playing it off." And he said, "But if he had to do it differently, he would've, uh, A, made Yoel stand up, and B, he would have made sure that fucking cut man didn't leave the cage with that big glob of Vaseline on that piece of cloth."

   10. TKTim Kennedy4:24

       Yeah. I was just talking crap. I- I was actually complaining.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       Oh, it was a good thing to talk crap about.

   12. TKTim Kennedy4:27

       Yeah. It was, um-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       So, but that was a giant issue. It was a 30-second-

   14. TKTim Kennedy4:30

       It was. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       ... 30-second issue-

   16. TKTim Kennedy4:31

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       ... for a guy who was really wobbled at the end of the second round.

   18. TKTim Kennedy4:35

       Yeah, and Mike ... Route to the title.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:36

       Yeah, it was a big deal.

   20. TKTim Kennedy4:37

       Yeah. That's, uh, it was, it was a bummer, but it was the perfect storm. You know? And, and, um, and now he's fighting for the title, so, you know, hopefully he represents Cuba well.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       He's a bad motherfucker.

   22. TKTim Kennedy4:48

       Yeah. He's a freak.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       Yeah. He really is, right?

   24. TKTim Kennedy4:51

       Yep.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       When does it-

   26. TKTim Kennedy4:52

       Specimen.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       Y- yeah. I mean, when ... Like, uh, uh, there's, there's so much going on there. It's like, there's the years of training and that crazy Cuba Olympic program. There's phenomenal genetics.

   28. TKTim Kennedy5:05

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       There's experience in competing. There's so much going on there with that guy.

   30. TKTim Kennedy5:08

       Mm-hmm. Oh, layers and layers alay ... And layers of the highest level of competition, um, mixed in with a life that I think has been very complementary to a mindset of an athlete. You know, he, he, he has pretty much been shaped, most of his life, to, to be a highest level athlete. Um, tricky part is, man, Whittaker's good.
4. 6:00 – 7:22

   Retired from MMA, still addicted to competing: jiu-jitsu and long-range shooting

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:00

      Yeah.... was it, are you still, do you still, are you, like, you're so close to the division. You're paying attention to it and you're just recently retired. Do you still get itchy?

   2. TKTim Kennedy6:10

      I, I have a crazy competition bug, but not to fight. Um, I'm gonna do a bunch of jujitsu this year. I'm competing in long gun, mar- marksman stuff, uh, three gun, um, you know, heavy steel stuff. So, lots-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:27

      What is, what is a long gun? Is that like long range shooting?

   4. TKTim Kennedy6:29

      It's like bow and shoot- yeah, really long range. Uh, but not, so there's a bunch of different styles of competitive shooting. You know, there's like guys that run around and shoot around barricades very quickly. Um, and then there's kind of the slow aim fire NRA style where you're going standing off hand or weird shooting positions. And then there's it doesn't matter, it just matters how far you can shoot. That's it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:54

      Yeah. I have a buddy who's into that.

   6. TKTim Kennedy6:55

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:56

      He's into banging steel at like a mile away or whatever the fuck it is.

   8. TKTim Kennedy6:59

      Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:00

      Crazy ballistic calculations-

   10. TKTim Kennedy7:03

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:03

       ... and literally calculating the curve of the earth.

   12. TKTim Kennedy7:06

       Yeah. (sighs) Yeah. (laughs) Barometric pressure, I mean, the temperature of your ammo to a degree plays a factor. Um, the, every imaginable measurable thing plays a factor into how the bullet is gonna fly.

5. 7:22 – 11:11

   Long-range hunting ethics: responsibility, flight time, and the ‘bragging rights’ problem

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:22

      That's a, it's a real touchy subject in hunting because it's, uh, there's a lot of people that are getting into that with like really long range shots on animals.

   2. TKTim Kennedy7:30

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:30

      And the question about whether or not it's ethical and who's it ethical for.

   4. TKTim Kennedy7:33

      Yeah. (sighs) I, I, I don't, I don't know where I stand on that. Um, I really love ... I, I bounce between rifle hunting and bow hunting. Um, as a kid, ma- the first time that I took a shot that I wasn't 100% positive the animal wouldn't just fall over, uh, I mean, my dad scuffed me up. You know? Um, and I was like 11. (laughs) So, th- there has since then been a r- this, the pr- the preponderance of responsibility has always been on the hunter to, without question, know the animal is gonna fall right then, right there. We're not stalking it for two days. You know, I'm not following a blood trail for nine hours to see an animal hyperventilating, um, now the, the meat's not even good, huge adrenaline spike. You know, it's like right there, that's your meat, and you're gonna go get it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:24

      Right.

   6. TKTim Kennedy8:24

      Um, (smacks lips) so-

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:26

      That's, that is best case scenario, but even then, animals jump the string.

   8. TKTim Kennedy8:30

      Yeah. How, and how do you do that when you're shooting something that the bullet flight is gonna be up for six seconds?

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:35

      Right. Yeah.

   10. TKTim Kennedy8:37

       You know, and I'm, I disagree-

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       Is it really that long?

   12. TKTim Kennedy8:38

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:39

       How long is it like m- if you're shooting, let's say 1,000 yards?

   14. TKTim Kennedy8:43

       Th- oh, 1,000? (sighs) Three.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:45

       Three seconds?

   16. TKTim Kennedy8:45

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:45

       That's a long time.

   18. TKTim Kennedy8:46

       That is a long time.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       Animals can take a couple steps-

   20. TKTim Kennedy8:48

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:49

       ... in three seconds.

   22. TKTim Kennedy8:50

       Yeah. The h- the, the heart's this big, you know?

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       Yeah.

   24. TKTim Kennedy8:52

       The size of our two fists. And, that's not a lot of margin of error, the wind changing one mile an hour. One mile an hour at 1,000, at 1,000 yards could, could make you miss that heart.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:03

       Wow.

   26. TKTim Kennedy9:04

       So.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:05

       Yeah. It's, it's one of those weird sort of things where people are getting into it because it, there's a bragging rights aspect of it. You know, "He shot this elk at 800 yards."

   28. TKTim Kennedy9:17

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:17

       And, you know, most people go, "800 yards?" You, you tell someone you shot something at 200 yards, they go, "Oh, it's a good shot."

   30. TKTim Kennedy9:22

       Yeah.
6. 11:11 – 19:29

   Are people inherently good? Rules, poachers, and why hunting is still controversial

   1. TKTim Kennedy11:11

      Are people good?

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:12

      Some people. In, in, in moments.

   3. TKTim Kennedy11:15

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:15

      What do you mean when you say that?

   5. TKTim Kennedy11:17

      I don't know. Like, my mom and I, we argue about this a lot.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:20

      Yeah?

   7. TKTim Kennedy11:20

      She's like, she thinks people are inherently good. You know? And I'm like, "Pfff..."

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:26

      Well, you've seen so much of the bad.

   9. TKTim Kennedy11:28

      For, yeah. Obviously, I'm gonna have a calloused, um-

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       Yeah.

   11. TKTim Kennedy11:31

       ... I'm not gonna have the most objective perspective. But, um, like, I wanna think people are good. But like I, I think hunters in gen- well, let's just u- use that as, 'cause that's what we're talking about right now. Of 100 hunters, what percentage are gonna do the right thing? Are gonna do the moral thing, the ethical thing, the thing that's the best interest for the animal, for conservation, for nature? Out of, out of 100. You know, if they're on a hunt, do they-

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:58

       I would say for sure the majority.

   13. TKTim Kennedy12:00

       Okay.

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:00

       A- and now it gets down to, you know, guesswork as to what the numbers are. But I think-

   15. TKTim Kennedy12:04

       I, I, like 60%?

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:06

       More. I'd say more.

   17. TKTim Kennedy12:06

       Okay. (sighs) I like that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       It's, I, I would like to think it's, I like to think it's in the 70s or 80s.

   19. TKTim Kennedy12:10

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:10

       I wish it was 100.

   21. TKTim Kennedy12:11

       For sure.

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:11

       You know? And I wish anything other than that was just a mistake.

   23. TKTim Kennedy12:14

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:14

       You know? But-... there's gonna be people that poach. There's gonna be people that cross-property boundaries when they know they're not supposed to. There's gonna be people that shoot an animal when the season opens tomorrow morning and they get there, you know, a day early and they see an animal and they just say, "Fuck it. I'm just gonna shoot it and hang it-"

   25. TKTim Kennedy12:29

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:29

       "... and say I shot it the next day." There's like gray area stuff, you know, where you're, you're definitely doing something illegal, but it's still hunting. You still have a tag, you know, and it's those people bending the rules.

   27. TKTim Kennedy12:41

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:41

       Like when... And then there's people that just, you know, they'll shoot two, three animals when they're only supposed to shoot one. They'll hide the meat.

   29. TKTim Kennedy12:50

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:51

       There's, there's, there's always gonna be people like that.
7. 19:29 – 34:25

   Finding middle ground online: gun control wording, tribal scripts, and due process fears

   1. TKTim Kennedy19:29

      And I've been getting a lot of... It, it's, it's weird when my social media, a lot of... I think I have a lot of conservative military, you know, pro-Second Amendment types that follow me. When that whole entire base is mad at me, which is weird, and then on the other side, the, the far-left progressive side is looking at me and being like, "Oh, we hate you too." So I'm like, I have now pissed off 95% (laughs) of people on social media because I'm trying to find middle ground so we can talk.

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:59

      Have you pissed off the conservatives?

   3. TKTim Kennedy20:01

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:01

      Have you done that?

   5. TKTim Kennedy20:02

      Um, Lance, Lance Armstrong and I were talking about gun control after the, the Parkland shooting in Florida. And he asked me, "Do you think gun control is a solution?" And I said, "Absolutely. I think gun control can be a massive solution." Verbatim, that's exactly what I said. Now to me, gun control, tho- those are words. Words like well-regulated militia, the words in the Constitution. That, tho- that's almost synonymous to me. Gun laws, also a form of gun control, just like a well-regulated militia. I think that having good, safe gun laws save lives. Um, I don't want ha- to have a felon, an MS-13 guy, an illegal immigrant, somebody that's been dishonorably discharged from the military, to get their hands on a gun. We have those laws. Those are forms of gun control, in my opinion. But the conservatives', um, Second Amendment, if you use the words gun control, uh, like I, I was immediately called a Benedict Arnold, I'm a traitor. Um, I, I was a, a Duff. I don't even know what a Duff is.

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:04

      A Duff?

   7. TKTim Kennedy21:04

      That was a reoccurring one. I think it was the guy from, um... Roger Rabbit.

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:11

      (laughs)

   9. TKTim Kennedy21:11

      The guy that would hunt around with a gun, but he didn't know how to use the gun, 'cause he always missed Roger Rabbit.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:16

       Do you mean Bugs Bunny?

   11. TKTim Kennedy21:18

       Yeah, yeah, Bugs Bunny. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:19

       So Elmer Fudd.

   13. TKTim Kennedy21:21

       Yeah, a Fudd. That's what they called me, a Fudd.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:23

       Okay. Yeah.

   15. TKTim Kennedy21:23

       So I... All... I mean, hundreds of people. And I w- just... I'm trying to have a conversation with Lance Armstrong, a guy that had never shot a gun at the time, that was against priore- private citizens really owning guns. And he couldn't be more for gun control, but I wanted just to talk to him.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:41

       Yeah.

   17. TKTim Kennedy21:42

       And so I had no problem using his vernacular, using, you know, the words that he's comfortable with, like gun control. Um, even though to me that's just gun laws, that's well-regulated militia. I mean, I am a huge Second Amendment proponent. I don't think anybody has ever questioned that until this moment when he-

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:57

       Well, how... If they just pay attention to you for five minutes, all they have to do is just go to your social media and you go, "This is not an anti-gun guy."

   19. TKTim Kennedy22:03

       No. No.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:03

       "This guy's on the range." How many days a week?

   21. TKTim Kennedy22:05

       Six? Five?

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:06

       Yeah, come on.

   23. TKTim Kennedy22:06

       Yeah. Like, I'm mad that I'm here with you (laughs) because-

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:09

       That you're not on the range.

   25. TKTim Kennedy22:10

       ... because I'm not on the range. You know. (laughs) But it's-

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:12

       Yeah.

   27. TKTim Kennedy22:12

       ... all right, I'll make it up tomorrow.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:13

       Yeah, you're, you're a gun nut.

   29. TKTim Kennedy22:15

       Yeah, for sure.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:15

       For sure.
8. 34:25 – 49:25

   Conservation economics: Pittman–Robertson, market hunting history, and the vegan blind spot

   1. JRJoe Rogan34:25

      Yeah. It's the Pittman Roberts Act, right? It's like, uh, what is it? 11%? Jamie, see if you can find that. They- I think they established that in the '30s and this was, uh, in response to, you know, what Teddy Roosevelt did when they were trying to s- keep large swaths of public land available for people to recreate on and then try to bring back populations of these animals. They needed funds to do that 'cause market hunting, people think it was like just hunters that decimated the population, sort of, but market hunting, it was hunting wild animals for people to eat, which is now illegal.

   2. TKTim Kennedy34:59

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:59

      You can't just go shoot a bunch of deer and then sell it to people. It's illegal. And one of the reasons why it's illegal is they wanted to stop market hunting. So they take all this money, which I believe is 11%. Is it 11%? 11% of all the money from hunting supplies, gear, guns, all that shit, all of it goes towards conservation, and that turns out to be billions and billions of dollars a year.

   4. TKTim Kennedy35:20

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan35:21

      And that's, that's what keeps the protection. Here, it goes right here. Um, okay, the nine- early 1900s, many wildlife species were disappearing or declining. The firearms and ammunition industry asked Congress to impose an excise tax. I mean, that is amazing. They asked Congress to impose this tax on the sale of firearms and ammunition to help fund wildlife conservation in the United States. The Pittman Robertson Act, uh, passed in 1937, known as the Federal Aid and Wildlife Restoration. So this is- this is how wetlands get preserved, wildlife habitat, um, like, uh, traveling corridors for mule deer, how they keep them from getting developed. All that stuff is through conservation money that comes from hunting. The difference between the amount of money that comes from hunting and conservation acts that gets donated to preserve wildlife versus animal rights groups is so stunning, you can't even count-

   6. TKTim Kennedy36:14

      It's pen- it's like not even pennies on the dollar.

   7. JRJoe Rogan36:16

      It's nothing. It's like they- they don't donate... I mean, some people donate a few dollars here or there to things, but the, the vast majority of the money comes from hunters, which creates this really-... confusing place for a lot of people-

   8. TKTim Kennedy36:29

      Yeah, that's the middle ground.

   9. JRJoe Rogan36:30

      ... who are opposed to killing animals. Yeah.

   10. TKTim Kennedy36:31

       That, that's, that's ends up being like the-

   11. JRJoe Rogan36:33

       Yeah.

   12. TKTim Kennedy36:33

       ... middle ground conversation that nobody will-

   13. JRJoe Rogan36:34

       Yeah.

   14. TKTim Kennedy36:34

       ... actually have.

   15. JRJoe Rogan36:35

       Right. Yeah.

   16. TKTim Kennedy36:36

       Well-

   17. JRJoe Rogan36:36

       That's the conversation about Africa too, right?

   18. TKTim Kennedy36:38

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan36:38

       That those animals, when you let people hunt them, they're worth a lot more than if you just let the poachers come in and do what they want with them.

   20. TKTim Kennedy36:44

       And they're protected.

   21. JRJoe Rogan36:45

       And they're protected.

   22. TKTim Kennedy36:45

       And th- at the moment that the hunters go away, they disappear.

   23. JRJoe Rogan36:48

       But the animal rights activists and the vegans would like us to move past that and get to the point where we don't kill animals at all. And if you-

   24. TKTim Kennedy36:55

       But yeah, it's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan36:55

       ... eat animals-

   26. TKTim Kennedy36:55

       Impossible.

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:55

       ... you get it from a lab. It's not impossible, but it's-

   28. TKTim Kennedy36:59

       Go to Africa.

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:59

       It's fucking h- in Africa, it's probably impossible-

   30. TKTim Kennedy37:02

       (laughs)
9. 49:25 – 59:37

   ‘Hunting Hitler’ / ‘Finding Hitler’: declassified leads and why the official story is disputed

   1. JRJoe Rogan49:25

      What is Finding Hitler all about?

   2. TKTim Kennedy49:28

      Um-

   3. JRJoe Rogan49:29

      I mean, this is a show that you're on, and it's on A&E? Is that what it's on?

   4. TKTim Kennedy49:32

      It... Yeah. A&E is the parent network. It, it airs on History Channel, and we just had our third season that just finished airing.

   5. JRJoe Rogan49:40

      What's the thought process behind this? Is it, is it legit?

   6. TKTim Kennedy49:43

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan49:43

      'Cause a lot of people are like, "Finding Hitler, get the fuck outta here."

   8. TKTim Kennedy49:46

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan49:46

      "They found Hitler. He died."

   10. TKTim Kennedy49:48

       Yeah, I mean...

   11. JRJoe Rogan49:49

       Not really?

   12. TKTim Kennedy49:49

       We don't know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan49:50

       Right.

   14. TKTim Kennedy49:51

       That, that's the, that's... I mean, this isn't like Ancient Aliens. This is we... They declassified a bunch of documents. Um, they... Both the Israelis, um, the British, and the Germans and Americans in the past 20 years have been decl- consistently declassifying documents. And there were a bunch of specifically FBI documents that we were spending millions and millions of dollars actively searching for Hitler after the war, as was-

   15. JRJoe Rogan50:16

       Really?

   16. TKTim Kennedy50:16

       Yeah, like, millions of dollars. Like, Hoover was like, "No, no, no, send more FBI agents to South America, um, to North Africa, go to the Canary Islands, go to Spain, trying to find out where this guy went."

   17. JRJoe Rogan50:32

       (laughs)

   18. TKTim Kennedy50:32

       Tons of real FBI documents with real leads, with real informants, some hand, uh, or some first eye accounts saying that they physically... So, anyways, that's the show, is us trying to find out, sift through reality and, um, the fiction of the l- the allure, the mist, the mystery of that asshole.

   19. JRJoe Rogan50:56

       So, what's the official story? The official story is that he killed himself, right?

   20. TKTim Kennedy51:00

       Yep.

   21. JRJoe Rogan51:00

       He killed himself-

   22. TKTim Kennedy51:01

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan51:01

       ... in the bunker-

   24. TKTim Kennedy51:02

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan51:02

       ... with Eva Braun.

   26. TKTim Kennedy51:03

       Yep.

   27. JRJoe Rogan51:04

       And is there any photographic evidence of his death or anything?

   28. TKTim Kennedy51:08

       Yeah, so what... The Russians got the body, and they got his skull. Um, and when they brought it back to Moscow, nobody has ever been able to independently verify who and what this body is. They let one genetic test occur, and the body, uh, with the bullet holes that they said was Hitler, and have said, and that's the narrative, that's the story, that's the... all the eyewitness accounts that are in, even in the vicinity of co- co- collaborating with each other, um, and corroborating each other's testimony, like, the closest version, 'cause none of it seems to be very accurate, is that, okay, here's Hitler's skull, and when they did the genetic testing, it's that of a 35-year-old woman. So, they're like, "Oh, well this isn't Hitler." But they've said for the past 80 years that this is Hitler. So, okay, f- first, before we start throwing stones at Russia, let's go back to 1945, April, um, m- uh, in Berlin. You have the allies coming in, wrecking shop, dropping bombs, blowing everything up they can in every single which way. You have the Russians coming in from the opposite direction. They don't even have enough guns to arm all their soldiers, so if they have 200 guys, they ha- or 200,000 guys, they have 100,000 guns. If the guy in front of you dies, you just pick up his gun. That's what's happening in April of 1945 in Berlin. So, the noose is tightening. There is no... I mean, it is chaos, anarchy, pandemonium. This... I mean, you couldn't... This is Hell on Earth, is Berlin 1945. So, I don't know if you could get a real story, a real... Th- the way that we do it now where we have, you know, these forensic experts that come in and, um, document everything, and we look at all the different testimonies to say this is, this is exactly how... It's just not, it's not CSI. This is 1945, Berlin. It's crazy. So, I don't know.

   29. JRJoe Rogan53:05

       So, there's, there was no, like, absolute proof?

   30. TKTim Kennedy53:10

       No.
10. 59:37 – 1:27:14

    Nazi ‘ratlines’ and German enclaves: Argentina/Chile communities, ideology, and Colonia Dignidad

    1. TKTim Kennedy59:37

       Yeah. It's crazy. So that's the show, Hunting Hitler.

    2. JRJoe Rogan59:40

       Fucking A, man.

    3. TKTim Kennedy59:41

       It's a trip.

    4. JRJoe Rogan59:41

       So how many people are we talking about all told in South America that c- come out of this ... I mean, tens of thousands went there, but how many German communities and what ... How big are they?

    5. TKTim Kennedy59:51

       Yeah. There maybe have 50 German communities.

    6. JRJoe Rogan59:55

       50?

    7. TKTim Kennedy59:55

       Fifty- (sighs) Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan59:56

       How many people if you had to guess?

    9. TKTim Kennedy59:59

       A few hundred thousand.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

        Holy shit.

    11. TKTim Kennedy1:00:01

        (laughs) Yeah. Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

        (laughs) A few hundred thousand-

    13. TKTim Kennedy1:00:04

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

        ... descendants of Nazis?

    15. TKTim Kennedy1:00:06

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

        Wow.

    17. TKTim Kennedy1:00:07

        Yeah. And man, it's weird when you walk into somebody's parlor and it's like you're stepping back in time into Europe. Like I'm walking in ... It's, it's 2017 and I'm walking in Buenos Aires, Argentina into somebody's parlor and all of the tile is European and all of the style and all the art is very German, you know? We, we have like deers and, you know, like not s- ... Not like red stags. I ... We're talking German everything, things that Hitler loved. And that's the style and that's everything. And then they come out and like with white gloves, they're holding their grandpa, their grandfather's, um, memory box and inside of it are his war medals from-... you know, when he was in the SS. Or when he was...

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

        (exhales)

    19. TKTim Kennedy1:00:55

        And it is the respect, the, uh, I don't even know. The right-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

        Reverence?

    21. TKTim Kennedy1:01:02

        Yeah. I mean, it's like whole ... Like, it's the po- It's like, this is a gift from the Pope that they're holding in their hands.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

        (laughs)

    23. TKTim Kennedy1:01:07

        White gloves. No, I can't ... Fir- first of all, Tim can't touch it. That's ... But I can appreciate it. And then, they tell me the story of every single one of these things and how he got there, and how he then went and worked for the Buenos Aries News. And-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

        You can't touch anything?

    25. TKTim Kennedy1:01:20

        No, they wouldn't ... No, 'cause I can ...

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

        Well, you'll ... You're dirty.

    27. TKTim Kennedy1:01:22

        I'm dirty.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

        Dirty American.

    29. TKTim Kennedy1:01:23

        Look at all these ... This is what it is.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

        You're too brown.

Episode duration: 2:52:51