Joe Rogan Experience #1129 - Tom Papa

1. 0:00 – 2:35

   Tom Papa becomes an author: pitching, publishing, and book structure

   1. TPTom Papa0:00

      (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Young James ready to launch. Five, four-

   3. TPTom Papa0:03

      We can do it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      ... three, two, one. (music plays)

   5. TPTom Papa0:06

      We can do it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Tom Papa is a motherfucking author.

   7. TPTom Papa0:11

      I'm a man of letters now.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      You're an author.

   9. TPTom Papa0:14

      I'm an author.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:15

       I've always, uh, admired that-

   11. TPTom Papa0:17

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       ... and secretly wished that I, uh, n- not even so secretly wished that I had the-

   13. TPTom Papa0:22

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       ... discipline to write a book.

   15. TPTom Papa0:25

       You do have the discipline. You just have to focus it on that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Mm.

   17. TPTom Papa0:28

       You can do it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       How long did it take you to write this?

   19. TPTom Papa0:30

       About two years.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       That's too long. I don't got that kind of time.

   21. TPTom Papa0:36

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       (laughs)

   23. TPTom Papa0:37

       If you wanted-

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       You can do it shorter. Oh, okay, like a little pamphlet?

   25. TPTom Papa0:40

       (laughs) Yeah, just do a flyer.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       (laughs)

   27. TPTom Papa0:43

       (laughs) Something real short.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Just make a f- yeah. (laughs)

   29. TPTom Papa0:46

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       This is all I could do.
2. 2:35 – 5:25

   Cover photo goofiness and the anxiety of “permanent” writing

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:35

      Why are you eating your shirt?

   2. TPTom Papa2:36

      Um-

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:37

      What's going on there?

   4. TPTom Papa2:38

      I don't know exactly. There's a really cool photographer, Sam Jones, who's, uh-

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:42

      And you just decided to get wacky?

   6. TPTom Papa2:44

      He just, uh... This guy is, like, this amazing photographer who's done, like, Clooney and Damon and all these people. And, uh, I asked him if, if he would help, and when I showed up, we'd just taken some regular shots. And he's like, "I have this idea." And he just brought out this giant shirt. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:00

      (laughs)

   8. TPTom Papa3:00

      And, uh, put a tie on it, and, uh, and just shot it. It came out pretty funny.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:04

      (laughs)

   10. TPTom Papa3:04

       I look like Dilbert. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       Yeah.

   12. TPTom Papa3:07

       Or Beaker.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:07

       I was just trying to figure out what you're doing there.

   14. TPTom Papa3:09

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       I guess, I guess what you're doing there is get people to try to figure out what you're doing there.

   16. TPTom Papa3:13

       Yeah, they stare at it and they're like, "Maybe if I buy the book, I'll figure it out."

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       I'll understand.

   18. TPTom Papa3:18

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       The puzzle is deep inside. Ooh.

   20. TPTom Papa3:20

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       Someday.

   22. TPTom Papa3:21

       It's just being goofy.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       Yeah, when you write a book-

   24. TPTom Papa3:25

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       ... you have to think, "Man, someone could be reading this 30 years from now, 50 years from now."

   26. TPTom Papa3:30

       That is... As comedians, you write something in the morning, and you bring it on stage. They tell you if it's funny or not. You know what you're working with. You go back and forth.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       Yeah.

   28. TPTom Papa3:41

       This is like it's permanent, and no one gets to review it until it's done. So the nerve-racking part of it was like, "Okay, it's done. I'm pretty proud of it. I've, like, edited it like crazy. I've worked on it for a long time. Will people think it's okay? Will they not think it's hack? Will they think it's good? Will they... Is the writing okay?" All that other stuff. And it's been out now for a week, and, uh, the review- I can tell the reviews are good. Like, the people are, uh, reviewing it and writing about it and calling and just people just randomly. And it's... I'm over the hurdle.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       Right.

   30. TPTom Papa4:16

       The anxiety of, "Is this a good book?"
3. 5:25 – 10:44

   Daily writing discipline, self-editing, and tools like Scrivener

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:25

      Now, how do you balance out writing-

   2. TPTom Papa5:27

      (sniffs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:27

      ... book writing with writing standup? Like, how do you, uh-

   4. TPTom Papa5:30

      Uh...

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:30

      ... how do you divide your time?

   6. TPTom Papa5:32

      It was, um, it was tough. Y- standup... Whenever I work on something else, standup kinda... I work on it at night, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:40

      Hmm.

   8. TPTom Papa5:40

      And the book was... I got into this rhythm of going in every morning, get up at 7:00, go in with my coffee, and sit there, and that was book time until noon.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:51

      Hmm.

   10. TPTom Papa5:52

       I would try and just, just work on that, and make it... Uh, but that wasn't for two years. That was, like, the last, you know, year to eight months kinda thing. Before that, it's a little looser. I'm trying to get it done and stuff, but-... that, that real discipline of like coming in every morning, sitting down, and seven days a week, just writing, just writing, just writing.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:13

       Seven days a week?

   12. TPTom Papa6:14

       Wherever I was, whatever I was doing, I had to make sure that I had that time. If I'm on a plane, or if I'm in a hotel-

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       Wow.

   14. TPTom Papa6:19

       ... if I'm on the road, I was just writing the thing all the time. It just became... Because you s- you know, the biggest challenge for me, and I think a lot of writers, is that you judge yourself as you go. You're like, "Is this good? Is it..." (babbles) But you have to just get it down and know that it's bad. Just, just get it down.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:39

       Yeah.

   16. TPTom Papa6:39

       "I wanna write this chapter on crazy ants, so I'm just gonna write it and spit it out, and then I'm gonna go to work on it." Like a bit, you know, like a, like standup, and just go back and just start editing, and peeling back, and peeling back, and getting rid of words.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       And how, what program were you using when you were doing this?

   18. TPTom Papa6:55

       I did it all on Word.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Mm.

   20. TPTom Papa6:57

       Microsoft Word.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Mm.

   22. TPTom Papa6:58

       And, uh-

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:59

       Have you ever seen Scrivener? Do you know what Scrivener is?

   24. TPTom Papa7:01

       No.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:01

       Scrivener's really interesting. Um, I did my last special on Scrivener.

   26. TPTom Papa7:06

       Oh, yeah?

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       It was the first time (clears throat) I've used it for, uh, for writing standup, and what's good about it is, on the left-hand side you have, uh, like all of your different subjects.

   28. TPTom Papa7:17

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:17

       And you click on each subject, and then, like, there'll be a whole column. So, like, I had the, the title, Strange Times.

   30. TPTom Papa7:23

       Uh-huh.
4. 10:44 – 12:13

   “Just Eat the Bread”: clean comedy, metaphors, and what’s next

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:44

      Gonna write another one?

   2. TPTom Papa10:44

      I'm not writing books about the Cold War. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:46

      You gonna write another one?

   4. TPTom Papa10:47

      I am gonna write another one.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:47

      Have you started yet?

   6. TPTom Papa10:48

      Uh, no, I haven't. Which is, uh... I have a couple ideas. And, uh, and the publisher wants me to write another one.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:56

      Mm.

   8. TPTom Papa10:57

      So-

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:57

      Already they want you to write another one?

   10. TPTom Papa10:59

       Yeah, I think, uh...

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:00

       That's a good sign.

   12. TPTom Papa11:01

       Yeah, it's a good sign. It's, we're the number one, uh, new release in family humor.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:06

       Ooh.

   14. TPTom Papa11:06

       So it's like-

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:07

       You got any potty words in there?

   16. TPTom Papa11:09

       Mm, very little.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       Oh.

   18. TPTom Papa11:11

       Very little.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       Like how many? Like 10?

   20. TPTom Papa11:14

       That would be a lot.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       Got any C words in there?

   22. TPTom Papa11:17

       Which one?

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:17

       The cunt word.

   24. TPTom Papa11:18

       Oh, my Lord. Yes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:20

       You got that in there?

   26. TPTom Papa11:20

       There's a whole s- there's a whole chapter. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:22

       (laughs) On cunts. This is the problem with family. Cunts.

   28. TPTom Papa11:27

       (laughs) That's the whole chapter.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:27

       Male and female.

   30. TPTom Papa11:29

       Just period. (laughs)
5. 12:13 – 16:08

   Big announcement: Food Network’s “Baked with Tom Papa” born from JRE bread fandom

   1. TPTom Papa12:13

      Once in a while, just a little, just do it.... should I segue into my big announcement?

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:18

      You got a big announcement?

   3. TPTom Papa12:19

      I have a huge Joe Rogan podcast announcement.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:22

      What is it?

   5. TPTom Papa12:23

      Huge. The book is huge.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:25

      Okay.

   7. TPTom Papa12:25

      And it's a great Father's Day gift and everybody should-

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:27

      But-

   9. TPTom Papa12:28

      ... buy, buy it. But, as we all know from being on this show, that, uh, I am the sultan of sourdough.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:35

       Yes.

   11. TPTom Papa12:35

       And my reputation as a baker is because of this show. Hands down. From doing your show, your fans are so (laughs) awesome and started just sending pictures of their bread. We have this nonstop relationship about bread. They s- show me their failures. They're constantly sending... I'm in these interactions, I'm in cities, people are bringing bread. And when (laughs) I would travel, I would go and, uh, and visit bakeries when I was on the road. Sh- so the big announcement is the Food Network, uh, asked me to do a show about bread and baked goods.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:10

       Whoa.

   13. TPTom Papa13:11

       So, I have a new show coming out on the Food Network on Labor Day called Baked with Tom Papa.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:18

       Wow.

   15. TPTom Papa13:18

       And I travel around, kinda like a Diners Drive-In kind of thing, but with all baked goods, and meeting these amazing people that make the stuff, getting their stories, these families, these Turkish families and Italian families and whatever. And then, uh, showing all this amazing, amazing stuff that they're making. All because of this show.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       Wow.

   17. TPTom Papa13:38

       I, I, I have to thank you 100%. It is, it was a hobby of mine that I completely loved and got into, but after doing this, it just kind of exploded. And, uh, and now we're going to be... I just finished shooting them all.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       That's awesome, man.

   19. TPTom Papa13:53

       Yeah. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       How many did you shoot?

   21. TPTom Papa13:55

       We shot eight.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       And so where'd you go?

   23. TPTom Papa13:56

       Eight different cities. New Orleans, New York, Detroit, LA, Cleveland, uh, Philadelphia, uh, New Jersey, northern New Jersey, which is where I grew up. Uh, yeah, eight different ones. It's gonna start (laughs) in Labor Day. It's so silly. I mean, literally, you know, how many... I've been writing scripts, I've been auditioning, I've been acting, whatever, to be on television. I start baking bread with my daughter (laughs) and now that's what I, that's my show. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       It seems like that's the best way anyway. It's-

   25. TPTom Papa14:32

       Y-

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:32

       ... the thing that you actually enjoy and really love, you know? It's-

   27. TPTom Papa14:36

       100%.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:36

       ... y- you find that thing that you're really passionate about and turn that into a show, rather than-

   29. TPTom Papa14:41

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:42

       ... some sitcom that you're really not that excited about other than being on television.
6. 16:08 – 29:03

   Anthony Bourdain’s death and the mental health puzzle: substances, meds, and exercise

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:08

      No, no, it's, I mean, it's, uh... Food is a fascinating thing to me-

   2. TPTom Papa16:12

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:13

      ... 'cause, uh, I mean, I guess this is as good a time to bring it up as any. Um, you know, obviously Anthony Bourdain took his life-

   4. TPTom Papa16:20

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:21

      ... last week. And, um, he was a friend of mine and it was real-, that was real hard. Friday was real hard. I woke up and, um, I got a text from my friend Maynard from Tool.

   6. TPTom Papa16:32

      Uh-huh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:33

      Um, Maynard said, "So much for the Keenan versus Bourdain celebrity jujitsu match."

   8. TPTom Papa16:39

      Ugh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:39

      And I l-, and, and he's like, "Fuck." And I was like, "Oh, no, what does that mean?"

   10. TPTom Papa16:44

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       And so then I googled it and I saw and I was like, "Oh, shit, man. I can't fuck- what?"

   12. TPTom Papa16:51

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       I just-

   14. TPTom Papa16:52

       What?

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       What? Hung himself. Like, what? I, uh...

   16. TPTom Papa16:56

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       I don't, you know-

   18. TPTom Papa16:58

       How close were you? Did you know his demons?

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       I was friends with him. Hung out with him.

   20. TPTom Papa17:02

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       Got fucked up with him.

   22. TPTom Papa17:04

       Did you get a feeling that he had that in him?

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       I didn't know that.

   24. TPTom Papa17:08

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:08

       But what was really weird was, like, he'd been saying really recently that he'd never been happier. He, um, was talking about his girlfriend and saying that he'd never been happier, didn't know he could be that happy, didn't know someone could make him that happy.

   26. TPTom Papa17:22

       Oh, man. (sighs) That's so terrible.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       Well, who knows? I mean, they might've, they might've broken up or who knows?

   28. TPTom Papa17:29

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       I don't know, I mean, who knows? I don't know, I don't know, I don't, I don't know. I mean-

   30. TPTom Papa17:32

       No idea.
7. 29:03 – 35:11

   Food as art, baker culture, and immigrant bread traditions (Newark/New Jersey memories)

   1. TPTom Papa29:03

      But, uh, but back to the food thing. Uh, I mean, the stories that Bourdain told through food was just, I mean, amazing. That's why he reached so many people. You could sit with that show and he really took his time.

   2. JRJoe Rogan29:18

      Yeah.

   3. TPTom Papa29:18

      And you really felt like you were... You had been there-

   4. JRJoe Rogan29:22

      Well, he-

   5. TPTom Papa29:22

      ... after he's, after he left wi- an episode.

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:25

      Yeah. He made me think of food as an art form.

   7. TPTom Papa29:28

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan29:29

      I never thought of it as an art form before watching, um, No Reservations, his original show.

   9. TPTom Papa29:33

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan29:34

       I watched that show and, um... I just would feel like, oh, this is not what I thought it was. I thought it was just, like, oh, this guy knows how to cook yummy food. That's great.

   11. TPTom Papa29:45

       Right. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan29:45

       But then, then watching his show, I was like, oh, this is art. Like, these guys are treating this like a painting or, like, a sculpture or something like that.

   13. TPTom Papa29:53

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan29:53

       And they're, and they're passionate and, and they're all tattooed up and weirdos.

   15. TPTom Papa29:58

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan29:58

       They're artists.

   17. TPTom Papa29:59

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:59

       They're just artists that cook.

   19. TPTom Papa30:01

       That's right, exactly.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:02

       It's just, they might as well be making music or what... Painting.

   21. TPTom Papa30:06

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:06

       Whatever it would be. Drawing. They're artists.

   23. TPTom Papa30:08

       At its best.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:09

       Yeah.

   25. TPTom Papa30:10

       You know, and the same thing, like, with any, any other art form. Then there's people that just crank it out and see a way to make money.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       Yeah. Sure.

   27. TPTom Papa30:15

       And you can tell, there's, like, a difference.

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:17

       Sure.

   29. TPTom Papa30:17

       But once you eat stuff from an artist, you're spoiled.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:21

       Yeah.
8. 35:11 – 42:05

   Hard times, tough generations: Depression mindset, WWII framing, and a 9/11 eyewitness story

   1. JRJoe Rogan35:11

      ... they, they grew up in hard times, man.

   2. TPTom Papa35:14

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan35:14

      Like, when my ... My grandmother had a stroke, and, um, when they were taking care of her, they started finding these little pockets of money she had squirreled away in the house.

   4. TPTom Papa35:24

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan35:24

      Like, all over the house. Like, coffee cans with cash in it.

   6. TPTom Papa35:28

      Wow.

   7. JRJoe Rogan35:28

      Because during the Depression-

   8. TPTom Papa35:30

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan35:30

      ... people just, they, they realized, like, oh my God, it can get to a point where there's no food.

   10. TPTom Papa35:36

       Like, nothing?

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:37

       Nothing.

   12. TPTom Papa35:38

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan35:38

       And, and people starved to death. Like-

   14. TPTom Papa35:39

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan35:40

       ... that's, that's really possible. You know, and-

   16. TPTom Papa35:42

       It was the reality.

   17. JRJoe Rogan35:43

       And the United States going through that was far better than, like, say, Europe post-World War II.

   18. TPTom Papa35:49

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan35:49

       Like, or, or the Soviet Union, where, you know-

   20. TPTom Papa35:53

       It was worse there?

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:54

       Oh, fuck, man. People starved to death.

   22. TPTom Papa35:56

       Wow.

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:56

       Who knows untold how many people starved to death in the Soviet Union.

   24. TPTom Papa36:00

       Geez.

   25. JRJoe Rogan36:00

       Starved to death.

   26. TPTom Papa36:02

       I know this sounds selfish, but I only thought of it in terms of America-

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:05

       Of course.

   28. TPTom Papa36:05

       ... the whole time. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:06

       Oh, of course. Well, well, Russia, Russia took it really bad, man.

   30. TPTom Papa36:11

       Jeez.
9. 42:05 – 48:00

   WWII aftermath and moral complexity: Operation Paperclip and Nazi engineering legacy

   1. JRJoe Rogan42:05

      Well, th- having a, a war that affected people the way World War II did, where the entire na- not just the entire nation was involved, but the whole world was involved in this conflict to stop evil.

   2. TPTom Papa42:17

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan42:17

      It was a different time. It's like-

   4. TPTom Papa42:18

      You had an evildoer.

   5. JRJoe Rogan42:20

      Yeah, you had a real ... I mean, obviously Isis is evil. Obviously North Korea. There's a lot of evil in the world.

   6. TPTom Papa42:28

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan42:28

      But it's not like this evil empire that's invading Europe and dropping bombs on people. It's not the same. It's not these-

   8. TPTom Papa42:36

      No.

   9. JRJoe Rogan42:36

      ... Nazis that believe in eugenics and wanna-

   10. TPTom Papa42:39

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan42:39

       ... create an Aryan race and, like, that was terrifying. And-

   12. TPTom Papa42:41

       Putting people in camps and not stopping. Spreading, telling people, "We're coming."

   13. JRJoe Rogan42:45

       And they were the most sophisticated in terms of engineering and-

   14. TPTom Papa42:49

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan42:49

       Like, the, I mean, they, they have, to this day, I mean, where do you get all the fucking en- engineers in terms of, uh, like, automobiles, top end, like-

   16. TPTom Papa42:58

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan42:58

       ... Audi, BMW. There's, those people were making shit for Nazis back then.

   18. TPTom Papa43:04

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan43:04

       I mean, that's-

   20. TPTom Papa43:05

       No, they were co-opted by the regime.

   21. JRJoe Rogan43:06

       Did you ever see, like, one of Hitler's cars? There's a, uh, Audi from, like, 1930-something-

   22. TPTom Papa43:12

       Uh-huh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan43:13

       ... that was made for Hitler?

   24. TPTom Papa43:15

       Sh-

   25. JRJoe Rogan43:15

       Yeah, it's like, they w-

   26. TPTom Papa43:16

       (sighs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan43:16

       They were designing-... engines-

   28. TPTom Papa43:19

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan43:19

       ... for planes, and they were-

   30. TPTom Papa43:21

       S-, uh-
10. 48:00 – 54:36

    Car design nostalgia and the CB radio era: from Mach 1 to ‘baby-shit orange’ Corolla

    1. TPTom Papa48:00

       They're ... It, it's kind of amazing to look at all automobile manufacturing in the '30s.

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:06

       Mm-hmm.

    3. TPTom Papa48:06

       Before the war come. Like, there was enough metal for everybody. There was enough i- ingenuity. The French car, all ... It was ... The design is so amazing.

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:14

       Mm-hmm.

    5. TPTom Papa48:15

       There was a real moment of, of, uh, inspiration and creativity, and then the war came and just, like, all the resources and all the people and everything got-

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:23

       Yeah.

    7. TPTom Papa48:24

       ... got dampened down. But, man, they were flying in the '30s.

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:26

       Yeah. What's interesting, though, is there was another b- resurgence in the '60s. Like, especially in America. American cars in the '60s were fucking amazing.

    9. TPTom Papa48:36

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:36

        And then the gas crisis got them.

    11. TPTom Papa48:38

        Ah, right.

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:39

        The '70s, they were dogshit.

    13. TPTom Papa48:40

        Yeah, it went terrible.

    14. JRJoe Rogan48:42

        (gasps)

    15. TPTom Papa48:42

        So bad.

    16. JRJoe Rogan48:43

        They were just so useless.

    17. TPTom Papa48:44

        Ugh. My mom had a Pinto.

    18. JRJoe Rogan48:46

        (coughs)

    19. TPTom Papa48:46

        (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan48:47

        Yeah.

    21. TPTom Papa48:47

        It was a bad car.

    22. JRJoe Rogan48:48

        But, like, I'm a muscle car fan, right?

    23. TPTom Papa48:50

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan48:50

        So, like, for me, the golden era was, like, 1960s to somewhere around '71.

    25. TPTom Papa48:57

        Uh-huh.

    26. JRJoe Rogan48:57

        You got the last of the great cars. Like, '71 Barracuda is still pretty badass.

    27. TPTom Papa49:01

        Right.

    28. JRJoe Rogan49:02

        But then '72 starts to look a little shitty, '73-

    29. TPTom Papa49:04

        Like, the Mustangs.

    30. JRJoe Rogan49:05

        Yeah, once you get to '75, they're dogshit.
11. 54:36 – 56:07

    Christie, beach closures, and the petty politics of public inconvenience

    1. TPTom Papa54:36

       Well that's what happened with g- Governor Christie when he closed down the bridge.

    2. JRJoe Rogan54:39

       Right.

    3. TPTom Papa54:39

       He has ... A couple people died because of that, 'cause they couldn't get to the hospital. They were having-

    4. JRJoe Rogan54:44

       How is he not in jail for that?

    5. TPTom Papa54:45

       Ugh, guy is the worst.

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:48

       How is he not in jail for that?

    7. TPTom Papa54:49

       He should totally be in jail. Other people went to jail for it.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:53

       That is just fucking straight corruption just to, to make that call.

    9. TPTom Papa54:57

       Ugh.

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:57

        The audacity that you would have to have, just the balls to make that fucking call and say, "Shut down the bridge."

    11. TPTom Papa55:03

        That guy was so-

    12. JRJoe Rogan55:04

        "I'm gonna have some M&M's."

    13. TPTom Papa55:05

        ... so arrogant.

    14. JRJoe Rogan55:07

        (chewing noises)

    15. TPTom Papa55:07

        Do you remember seeing when he c- when they closed the beaches and he, him and his family were the only one on the beach?

    16. JRJoe Rogan55:12

        Oh, yeah. Yeah.

    17. TPTom Papa55:13

        Ugh.

    18. JRJoe Rogan55:13

        Yeah. Disgusting.

    19. TPTom Papa55:14

        That says everything.

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:15

        Just his body says everything.

    21. TPTom Papa55:16

        (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:17

        Let yourself get to that state.

    23. TPTom Papa55:19

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:19

        You slob. And he had an operation too.

    25. TPTom Papa55:21

        Ugh.

    26. JRJoe Rogan55:22

        He had a stomach stapling.

    27. TPTom Papa55:23

        Did he really?

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:24

        And we got-

    29. TPTom Papa55:24

        And he ate through it? Look at that.

    30. JRJoe Rogan55:25

        Fucking blob.
12. 56:07 – 1:01:09

    Footwear wars and sneaker culture: slides, flip-flops, and Yeezys (with Bert)

    1. JRJoe Rogan56:07

       I think the kids call those slides.

    2. TPTom Papa56:09

       They call them slides?

    3. JRJoe Rogan56:10

       Yeah, the kids call those slides.

    4. TPTom Papa56:11

       I hate slides.

    5. JRJoe Rogan56:12

       I call them flip-flops. They're like, "No, no, no, that's not a flip-flop, that's a slide."

    6. TPTom Papa56:15

       Ugh, when I see someone in the airport with slides on-

    7. JRJoe Rogan56:17

       My feet sliding.

    8. TPTom Papa56:17

       ... I always want to punch them.

    9. JRJoe Rogan56:18

       There's a lot of dudes w- who have slides in the airport with socks on.

    10. TPTom Papa56:21

        Ugh.

    11. JRJoe Rogan56:22

        I'm like, "Okay."

    12. TPTom Papa56:23

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan56:23

        "What are you doing?"

    14. TPTom Papa56:24

        Exactly. (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan56:24

        "What are you doing here?"

    16. TPTom Papa56:26

        (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan56:26

        Why does that annoy me?

    18. TPTom Papa56:27

        Because it's lazy. You don't like lazy.

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:29

        Mm.

    20. TPTom Papa56:29

        It's lazy.

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:31

        Yeah, but I have those-

    22. TPTom Papa56:31

        Ugh.

    23. JRJoe Rogan56:31

        ... Salomon running shoes that don't even have, um, they don't have laces. They have, like, this little tab you pull.

    24. TPTom Papa56:37

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:37

        And you pull it down and it, it tightens up and you open it up and...

    26. TPTom Papa56:41

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:41

        It's like Velcro.

    28. TPTom Papa56:42

        Yeah, but you're still pulling a tab.

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:43

        Mm.

    30. TPTom Papa56:43

        At least there's a little something there.
13. 1:01:09 – 1:06:43

    Elon Musk tangent: podcast invite, Not-a-Flamethrower, tunnels, and claustrophobia

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

       Elon Musk wants to do the podcast.

    2. TPTom Papa1:01:11

       Right back here on the Feud.

    3. BKBert Kreischer1:01:12

       Ooh. Really?

    4. TPTom Papa1:01:12

       Yeah.

    5. BKBert Kreischer1:01:13

       Oh.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       He messaged me.

    7. TPTom Papa1:01:15

       Can I come in as your sh- as your co-host?

    8. BKBert Kreischer1:01:17

       That'd be fun.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       Um, no.

    10. TPTom Papa1:01:20

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

        Thanks, man. Thanks, man.

    12. BKBert Kreischer1:01:20

        (laughs)

    13. TPTom Papa1:01:21

        I'll just listen like everybody else. Uh, that's really cool.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

        Yeah, it should be interesting. Yeah, he wants to get his Model 3 up to some high level of production. And once it's done, he'll take some time away.

    15. TPTom Papa1:01:33

        The, the tunnels?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

        No, Model 3 Tesla.

    17. TPTom Papa1:01:34

        Oh, the Model 3.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

        He think that's what he's-

    19. TPTom Papa1:01:35

        Yeah, that he's close.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

        ... concentrating on. And then-

    21. TPTom Papa1:01:37

        Yeah, he's just... Yeah. Once he's got that.

    22. BKBert Kreischer1:01:39

        They just delivered their first 1,000 flamethrowers this weekend.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

        Yeah, what's up with that? Why is he on flamethrowers?

    24. BKBert Kreischer1:01:44

        I have no idea.

    25. TPTom Papa1:01:44

        (laughs) No, no, me either.

    26. BKBert Kreischer1:01:45

        I almost bought one just to do it, just to see what happened.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

        Really?

    28. BKBert Kreischer1:01:48

        Like, I don't-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

        Let's buy one.

    30. TPTom Papa1:01:48

        And you couldn't do it...
14. 1:06:43 – 1:11:48

    3D printing and the future of manufacturing (plus a crude grooming standards riff)

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:06:43

       Ruh.

    2. TPTom Papa1:06:44

       Uh, did y- have you talked about 3D printing?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:06:47

       Uh, a couple times. Yeah. We've talked about it.

    4. TPTom Papa1:06:49

       Do ... I just watched the, uh, recent Vice on 3D printing.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:06:53

       Pretty amazing.

    6. TPTom Papa1:06:53

       Oh my God.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:06:55

       Yeah. You know-

    8. TPTom Papa1:06:56

       Do you want to-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:56

       ... um, who has one? That guy, um-

    10. TPTom Papa1:06:59

        Bert Kreischer?

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:06:59

        The fucking puppet guy. Uh, Jeff, uh-

    12. TPTom Papa1:07:02

        Dunham?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:07:02

        Jeff Dunham, yeah. He makes puppets-

    14. TPTom Papa1:07:04

        He makes puppets with them?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:07:05

        He makes a lot of shit with them. He was on Opie and Anthony back in the day. Apparently, he's like a super tech geek.

    16. TPTom Papa1:07:10

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:07:11

        And he was on Opie and Anthony back in the day and he was talk- ... He had, like, one of the earlier, uh, 3D printers.

    18. TPTom Papa1:07:16

        Really?

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:07:17

        Yeah. They're getting really, really complex.

    20. TPTom Papa1:07:19

        Oh my ... They're making human body parts.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:07:21

        SpaceX.

    22. TPTom Papa1:07:21

        They're making human ears.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:07:22

        There he is, making the Achmed-mobile. Controlled chaos. Jeff Dunham. So he does all this s- s- stuff himself.

    24. TPTom Papa1:07:29

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:07:29

        He's a fucking character, Jeff Dunham.

    26. TPTom Papa1:07:31

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:07:31

        Interesting guy.

    28. TPTom Papa1:07:32

        That's amazing. Like, you put anything in ... And the computer, like, actually ... There was a show with, like, a dishwasher and the guy wanted to manufacture the part that's inside the dishwasher.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:07:42

        Yeah.

    30. TPTom Papa1:07:42

        The computer says, "No. We can improve on that part."

Episode duration: 3:03:46