Joe Rogan Experience #1131 - Dave Rubin

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Five, four, three, two...…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Five, four, three, two... (claps) Dave Rubin, ladies and gentlemen. How are you, buddy?

   2. DRDave Rubin0:09

      What's up, brother?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Dude, I haven't seen you, uh... Well, the last time we saw each other was just now. But before that was right before the election.

   4. DRDave Rubin0:17

      The day before the world changed-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Squirrely times.

   6. DRDave Rubin0:22

      ... forever.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Squirrely.

   8. DRDave Rubin0:23

      Does not... Literally, it seems like a lifetime ago. Not even a lifetime ago, it, it, it's like a different life for me, I think it's a different life for you. Think about how much has changed for both of us in that time. But it seems like another planet-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      Yeah.

   10. DRDave Rubin0:33

       ... like an alternate universe the day before the election.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       It is, in a lot of ways, right? I mean, people are... The world's going... Well, people are... The world's trying to find its footing.

   12. DRDave Rubin0:43

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       You know? It's a lot of craziness.

   14. DRDave Rubin0:46

       Well, I hate to tell you, Joe-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Uh-oh.

   16. DRDave Rubin0:48

       ... but you are a little piece of the finding of the footing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Hmm.

   18. DRDave Rubin0:52

       Because people are finding the footing. You know, I'm on tour with Peterson right now. I just got in this morning from Atlanta. And it's like, there is, without being hyperbolic, there is some kind of awakening happening right now. People are kinda getting their shit together. They're kinda sorting out things. They're... Through long form conversations, like we're all having and all these people that we're now connected with, there's something happening where people are going, "There's another way to make sense."

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Mm-hmm.

   20. DRDave Rubin1:19

       "And, and let me figure out what that is." It doesn't mean we have all the answers, and I (laughs) sure as hell know I don't, and I don't think you think you do either. But we're at least giving them a little room to figure it out. And it's pretty cool.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       Well, the thing about Peterson that's r- been fascinating is how many people misrepresent what he says to try to frame him, uh, him in a way that makes him evil and makes their position seem more ethical or more moral or better or more intellectual. There's so many articles being written about him almost on a daily basis-

   22. DRDave Rubin1:47

       It is-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       ... that misrepresent what he's saying.

   24. DRDave Rubin1:49

       ... it's epic bullshit. I mean-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       It's weird.

   26. DRDave Rubin1:51

       ... that's all it is. These guys want clicks. That's all they want. I mean, I've... We've done about 20 shows in the last six weeks or so, bounced around from Nashville and Houston and Atlanta and Chicago and everywhere else. The crowds have been incredible. It's, it's probably split... You know, first off, they always go, "Oh, it's angry white men." That's the main thing. "It's all angry white men." Now, first off, let's say it was all angry white men there. That, in and of itself, doesn't mean it's bad. Let's say there was, like, a really disaffected group of angry white men that really felt like either masculinity had been compromised, or they couldn't get jobs, or they didn't feel good about their lives. Like, if there was someone talking to them that was helping them-

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       Yeah.

   28. DRDave Rubin2:28

       ... that would actually be good. But let's just put that aside, right? 'Cause they don't mean it in a positive way. So, they say it's all angry white men. Now, I could tell you it's about 60-40 male to female, roughly. Um-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       At Jordan shows?

   30. DRDave Rubin2:39

       At Jordan shows, yeah. And it's-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Well- …

   1. DRDave Rubin15:00

      And if they don't wanna do it, they don't have to. But imagine if the government came in and was like, "Joe, you're gonna have to pay your guys this amount." It's ridiculous.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      Well-

   3. DRDave Rubin15:08

      Think how many people would love to work for you for free. I'm sure you get emails every day, as I do. I don't wanna-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      What, stalkers? Talking about stalkers?

   5. DRDave Rubin15:14

      Stalkers and ... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      (laughs)

   7. DRDave Rubin15:15

      I don't want people to work for me for free.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      Yeah.

   9. DRDave Rubin15:17

      But, like, the i-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       No, I don't like interns. I don't like the idea of it. It's silly.

   11. DRDave Rubin15:20

       Yeah, but you're a small business owner. I mean that-

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       Mm-hmm.

   13. DRDave Rubin15:22

       That's the fact. And you should be able to do whatever with your business and your property that you want.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       Yeah.

   15. DRDave Rubin15:27

       It's as simple as that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       Um, I'm- I'm w- ... The ... I think we get real, uh, p- ... There's a lotta cliche terms, and one of them is, like, that people who go to s- college are studying gender studies or lesbian dance theory. But how much of that is really happening?

   17. DRDave Rubin15:43

       Listen, man-

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       It's- it's very small.

   19. DRDave Rubin15:44

       I-

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       It does exist in some weird states. Like, I'm sure you're aware of that lady who was the, um, s- uh, professor from Fresno State who, uh, got in trouble recently.

   21. DRDave Rubin15:53

       There's so many of them. Which one was this?

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Well, it's the ... Some big lady was talking a bunch of shit. It's just ... They're- they- they're- and she said she could never get fired.

   23. DRDave Rubin16:01

       (clears throat)

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       And they- they didn't fire her.

   25. DRDave Rubin16:02

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       You know that- that lady?

   27. DRDave Rubin16:03

       Yeah, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       Yeah. There's a lot of them. I mean, there's a lot of really wacky professors out there that do have tenure.

   29. DRDave Rubin16:08

       Yeah, that woman was tweeting out some bananas stuff.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      about? Those kids are dead." Like, there's a guy that was, uh, it was a r- the terrible story about a guy who was a conspiracy theorist before Sandy Hook, then his kid died at Sandy Hook, and a bunch of people were threatening him and calling him a crisis actor and saying his kid never died, and then he realized how insane it, it really is.

   2. DRDave Rubin30:17

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      People are looking for conspiracies everywhere.

   4. DRDave Rubin30:20

      Everywhere.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Man. I keep hearing them now about Anthony Bourdain, that Bourdain was gonna expose some child pedophile ring, and that's why they suicided him. It's fucking stupid, man.

   6. DRDave Rubin30:30

      Without going down fully on that road, there is one odd thing about the Bourdain thing, which is just a few weeks ago, didn't he tweet some odd thing about having the, the... he's met the Hillary Clinton, like, machine or something, and it's pretty evil, some-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:41

      Well, he was talking about... No, no. I'll tell you exactly what it was.

   8. DRDave Rubin30:43

      Yeah, what was it?

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:44

      He was talking about the same people that Harvey Weinstein used, with, that were, um, Israeli... What is it? Black Cube or some shit. See if you can find the tweet because i- he's, he was basically saying that, uh...... that Donald Trump's people use the same people that Harvey Weinstein used.

   10. DRDave Rubin31:07

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       So, an Israeli intelligence group to ... You know, there was something that Harvey had done to his victims where he was trying to silence them by scaring them with these, uh, these, s- you know.

   12. DRDave Rubin31:18

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       Israeli mercenary-type folks, I don't know-

   14. DRDave Rubin31:22

       All right. So, point being, don't go down that conspiracy route. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       But that's not what he was doing.

   16. DRDave Rubin31:25

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       I mean, he was just saying-

   18. DRDave Rubin31:26

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       ... he was just standing ... Like, this guy, he had some crazy thing with his girlfriend where he was, like, fully invested in her battle with Harvey Weinstein.

   20. DRDave Rubin31:34

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       You know? So, that's what he tweeted about. But it wa- sh- it's like, they would kill him for that? Like, that's so fucking stupid.

   22. DRDave Rubin31:39

       Yeah. Well-

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:40

       Like, wha- what about Ronan Farrow? What about all the people that wrote the story? What about all the, the, the people that are accusing him of rape? Like, that's ... The guy's going broke too. D- did ... People don't understand that Harvey Weinstein's business is going bankrupt. He's fucked.

   24. DRDave Rubin31:52

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       He's going to jail.

   26. DRDave Rubin31:54

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:54

       Like, it's ... The walls are caving in.

   28. DRDave Rubin31:56

       He doesn't even have his businesses anymore. Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       He's not hiring a mercenary to go kill a chef.

   30. DRDave Rubin32:00

       (laughs)
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   It's too much noise.…

   1. DRDave Rubin45:00

      just these people that just endlessly wanna hate on everything and all that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      It's too much noise.

   3. DRDave Rubin45:03

      And I'm always, like, I'm always like, if you're spending all day long hating on me, like, if you think what I'm doing-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Yeah. (laughs)

   5. DRDave Rubin45:08

      ... is the real problem here... You know what I mean? Like, let's say I'm wrong on everything.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Right.

   7. DRDave Rubin45:11

      Let's say everything I said for the first 10 minutes about politics is wrong and we should have strong federal government and identity politics. Like, even if that is (laughs) , that's how it, it really is, am I really the biggest problem here, that people are all day long devoting Twitter accounts, people that make accounts all day wrong, "Fuck Dave Rubin. Dave Rubin sucks." It's like, what are you doing?

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:28

      Is that going on all the time?

   9. DRDave Rubin45:29

      Yeah. All the time.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       Well, here's the thing.

   11. DRDave Rubin45:30

       It's like, go get laid.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       If that's-

   13. DRDave Rubin45:31

       Do people get laid anymore?

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       You shouldn't know that that's happening. That's the, part of the problem is you're, you're sort of indulging it-

   15. DRDave Rubin45:37

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       ... by paying attention to it. There's just too many people out there, Dave.

   17. DRDave Rubin45:39

       I'm paying way less attention. Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:41

       That's good.

   19. DRDave Rubin45:41

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       You can't pay attention at all.

   21. DRDave Rubin45:43

       I, dude, I was in a sensory deprivation tank just two, three days ago-

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Yes.

   23. DRDave Rubin45:47

       ... thanks to you. I've been doing it more.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       Good.

   25. DRDave Rubin45:49

       I was just in one of these infrared saunas. I'm doing-

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       Yes.

   27. DRDave Rubin45:51

       ... you know, I'm doing all my Augusts off the grid. I did it last August, just literally nothing. I locked my phone in a safe.

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Really?

   29. DRDave Rubin45:57

       Locked my phone in a safe for 30 days.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       Do you call it anything?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:01:30

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      bullshit outfit."

   2. DRDave Rubin1:00:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      "Go put on some goddamn dress shoes."

   4. DRDave Rubin1:00:03

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      "We're in the office." You know, the ... It is strange that women wear very little clothes in comparison to the way men do on these shows.

   6. DRDave Rubin1:00:10

      S-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      And I don't think there's anything wrong with the discussion. The problem is framing it as if he's saying you shouldn't be able to. He's ... If, if someone got on TV and said, "You shouldn't be able to wear makeup at work. You shouldn't be able to dress like that," that would be a problem.

   8. DRDave Rubin1:00:25

      So think about what these guys are doing in effect. So right ... So you're saying that Jordan's taking basically a, uh, a decent but potentially confusing position, but it's, but it's basically a right decision-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

      Yes.

   10. DRDave Rubin1:00:37

       ... of let's have a conversation. So when they write all these hit pieces, and why do they do it? Because they can't get any ... You know, they just did- released this study about journalists and they're basically all paid like 45 grand a year, and they're alcoholics, you know, just broadly speaking.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       Mm-hmm.

   12. DRDave Rubin1:00:49

       And they just want all these clicks. They want their jobs, and they realize that these websites that are faking as journalists, uh, faking as places of journalism, that they're just trying to hold onto their jobs as long as they can. But if you're one of these people, what's a great way to s- keep your job? Oh, there's a guy out here who's sold over a million copies of his book, who's on tour selling out Beacon Theater and blah, blah, blah all over the world. I'm gonna write a hit piece on him-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       Mm-hmm.

   14. DRDave Rubin1:01:10

       ... 'cause guess what? That's gonna drive a hell of a lot more traffic than writing something, something honest.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       Yeah.

   16. DRDave Rubin1:01:15

       So the ... That's part of the game. And, you know, he ... I've discussed this many times, including on stage with him. Why does he keep retweeting the articles? His belief is, "Well, I'm still here. I'm still here. I have exposed them and I'm still here, and if anything, I'm bigger because of it." And now-

Episode duration: 2:57:12