Joe Rogan Experience #1131 - Dave Rubin

Dave Rubin is a stand-up comedian, talk show host, and television personality. He is the creator and host of political comedy talk show “The Rubin Report” -- https://www.youtube.com/RubinReport

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Jun 13, 20182h 57mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:02 – 1:28
Post-election cultural shift and the rise of long-form conversation
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Five, four, three, two... (claps) Dave Rubin, ladies and gentlemen. How are you, buddy?
2. DRDave Rubin
  What's up, brother?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Dude, I haven't seen you, uh... Well, the last time we saw each other was just now. But before that was right before the election.
4. DRDave Rubin
  The day before the world changed-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Squirrely times.
6. DRDave Rubin
  ... forever.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Squirrely.
8. DRDave Rubin
  Does not... Literally, it seems like a lifetime ago. Not even a lifetime ago, it, it, it's like a different life for me, I think it's a different life for you. Think about how much has changed for both of us in that time. But it seems like another planet-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. DRDave Rubin
  ... like an alternate universe the day before the election.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It is, in a lot of ways, right? I mean, people are... The world's going... Well, people are... The world's trying to find its footing.
12. DRDave Rubin
  Yes.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  You know? It's a lot of craziness.
14. DRDave Rubin
  Well, I hate to tell you, Joe-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh-oh.
16. DRDave Rubin
  ... but you are a little piece of the finding of the footing.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm.
18. DRDave Rubin
  Because people are finding the footing. You know, I'm on tour with Peterson right now. I just got in this morning from Atlanta. And it's like, there is, without being hyperbolic, there is some kind of awakening happening right now. People are kinda getting their shit together. They're kinda sorting out things. They're... Through long form conversations, like we're all having and all these people that we're now connected with, there's something happening where people are going, "There's another way to make sense."
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
20. DRDave Rubin
  "And, and let me figure out what that is." It doesn't mean we have all the answers, and I (laughs) sure as hell know I don't, and I don't think you think you do either. But we're at least giving them a little room to figure it out. And it's pretty cool.
1:28 – 4:53
Jordan Peterson’s audiences vs media caricatures
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, the thing about Peterson that's r- been fascinating is how many people misrepresent what he says to try to frame him, uh, him in a way that makes him evil and makes their position seem more ethical or more moral or better or more intellectual. There's so many articles being written about him almost on a daily basis-
2. DRDave Rubin
  It is-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that misrepresent what he's saying.
4. DRDave Rubin
  ... it's epic bullshit. I mean-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  It's weird.
6. DRDave Rubin
  ... that's all it is. These guys want clicks. That's all they want. I mean, I've... We've done about 20 shows in the last six weeks or so, bounced around from Nashville and Houston and Atlanta and Chicago and everywhere else. The crowds have been incredible. It's, it's probably split... You know, first off, they always go, "Oh, it's angry white men." That's the main thing. "It's all angry white men." Now, first off, let's say it was all angry white men there. That, in and of itself, doesn't mean it's bad. Let's say there was, like, a really disaffected group of angry white men that really felt like either masculinity had been compromised, or they couldn't get jobs, or they didn't feel good about their lives. Like, if there was someone talking to them that was helping them-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
8. DRDave Rubin
  ... that would actually be good. But let's just put that aside, right? 'Cause they don't mean it in a positive way. So, they say it's all angry white men. Now, I could tell you it's about 60-40 male to female, roughly. Um-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  At Jordan shows?
10. DRDave Rubin
  At Jordan shows, yeah. And it's-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you think that's, like, dates that reluctantly go along with men? Like, all right.
12. DRDave Rubin
  (laughs) Uh, w- There are some. I mean, there will be guys that... Well, it's actually usually girls will come up to me after, and they'll go, "You know, he's a big fan of you guys," or, "He loves Jordan," or, "He loves you," or blah, blah, blah. And I, I'm just here. But then they all have a great time. I mean, I'm telling you, this thing has been an insane love fest. I know you saw the video that Jordan posted last night.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
14. DRDave Rubin
  It was his birthday last night.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
16. DRDave Rubin
  We were at, uh, where the hell was I? Atlanta, the Tabernacle in Atlanta. You know, almost 3,000 people singing Happy Birthday to him. We brought out this freaking stuffed lobster and a, and a piece of meat, 'cause he's on this crazy meat diet now. And it's like, it's an endless love fest. Every street we walk down, people high-fiving us, saying hi. We did a little meet and greet impromptu thing at the Lincoln Memorial, and about 100 people showed up just out of nowhere. And it's like, these people are just trying to figure shit out. They're not white supremacists. They're not alt-right. They don't hate women. It is literally nothing that they say, because they want clicks. And the way they get clicks, I mean, you know, the way they get clicks is they say the absolute reverse from the truth. It's not that they lie a little bit. Like, a little lie, I think nobody would even pick up on it. We don't-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you think that's what they're do- I think they're just misrepresenting. I don't think they're, they're saying the abso- the opposite of the truth. They're just, they just... Look, they're, they're finding these little categories, like homophobia, transphobia, um, sexism-
18. DRDave Rubin
  Well, he's not a homophobe.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Of course.
20. DRDave Rubin
  He's on tour with a gay guy.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) Right.
22. DRDave Rubin
  He's not a transphobe. There are trans people that show up there. And I, and I've discussed it with him every freaking night. I ask... You know, we do a... So, I basically do, like, 15 minutes of standup up top, he does an hour and a half, and then we do a Q&A together. Um, and we bring out all of these things, and every night, to clear it up. And sometimes I'll have people br- bust out their phones. And I'll be like, "Why don't you guys record this tonight, and let's get it out on Twitter?" Where he takes down the alt-right, because he hates the identity politics of the right as much as the identity politics of the left. I mean, I think-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. DRDave Rubin
  ... I think the reason we all focus on the thing of the left is because it has encompassed culture and media and politics and what you're allowed to say and, and, uh, universities and all of that. So, it makes more sense to focus on that. The little sliver of it that's on the right, yeah, it's shitty. It's horrible. You should not look at your skin color as some great thing that makes you better or-
4:53 – 8:56
Identity politics, racism, and tribal thinking
1. JRJoe Rogan
  But is that a right thing? Is racism always a right thing?
2. DRDave Rubin
  No, not at all.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, are all racists right?
4. DRDave Rubin
  No, I think the left is far more racist than the right at this moment.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
6. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Why do you think that?
8. DRDave Rubin
  Because identity politics is based in racism. You happen to be white. I know nothing about you by the color of your skin. I know about Joe Rogan because I watch the show, I listen to the show. We've done this several times. And we... And for the hours that we're gonna sit here now, we can dive as deep into any issue, and that's the only way that I can sensibly judge you. But the idea that you will look at people, that you would look at a Black person, a Black person would be sitting there, or a Muslim person would be sitting there, or a trans person's sitting there, and you'd go, "I have even the inkling of what you think," because of that immutable characteristic, that is actual racism. That is pre-judging, right? Judging first, before you know somebody. So, I have a much bigger issue with that, because that has infected everything in American society right now. The identity politics of the right, that this should be a white ethnostate or something like that-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  But is that real?
10. DRDave Rubin
  ... of course it's nonsense.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  But, but hold on a second. That's not really the identity politics of the right. The, the, so, what are they?
12. DRDave Rubin
  So, it's not-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I don't think the left is necessarily that way either. I mean, I think the identity politics, th- there's a real issue, right, with people that only identify with other women, women that only identify with women-
14. DRDave Rubin
  Mm-hmm.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and don't care about men. There's a, a real issue with people that are, uh, only American, they don't care about the rest of the world. There's like, there's all these weird groups. But I think we run into problems when we start saying, "Oh, it's the left that's doing this. It's the right that's doing this." I think it's just tribal. It's just this weird thing that human beings tend to gravitate towards cr- tribes.
16. DRDave Rubin
  For sure.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  We-
18. DRDave Rubin
  And look, we can, we can...I talk about things usually from a little more of a political lens than I think you do.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
20. DRDave Rubin
  So, yes, of course, ultimately it is tribalism, however you wanna parse that tribalism, right?
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
22. DRDave Rubin
  So, yes, the le- and I say this all the time, but the left/right thing doesn't make that much sense anymore. You're either basically-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
24. DRDave Rubin
  You're basically for freedom, you're for the individual to live freely, however they see fit, or you believe that the government should engineer things and that there should be central planning so that people-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  I think that's always shitty thinking. I, I think it's-
26. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... people that say that the government should engineer things, they're just looking for a solution, and then they think the government should handle it.
28. DRDave Rubin
  Well, yeah, but I think-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  So, people that think we should pay more taxes-
30. DRDave Rubin
  Right.
8:56 – 13:37
Classical liberalism, libertarianism, and the case for localism
1. JRJoe Rogan
  All right. Define Libertarian.
2. DRDave Rubin
  So, Libertarian... So, Libertarian and classical liberal, this is what I get more than anything else, 'cause I say I'm a classical liberal, which basically means you believe in the individual, the sovereignty of the individual is the simple most important thing. It is your life, it is your duty to do what you see fit. The government is supposed to do pretty much nothing other than protect your life, so it's supposed to have an army and police and stuff like that, and then really just laissez-faire economics. And that... And then, the difference between classical liberal and Libertarian is how far do you wanna go with the government? So, I think there is some utility for the state. But the more I do this, the more I have these conversations and I talk to ANCAPs and, and real Libertarians and all that, I find it hard to defend the state at almost any level at this point. But I do think that because I don't wanna live in Mad Max Fury Road just yet, although we may be heading there, I, I still will defend the state at some level. But I would say everything should be local. We have an incredible experiment here with 50 states. If your state tax is too high, move, go somewhere else. If, if your state doesn't have good education, you can go somewhere else. If you don't like the weather somewhere... But the second we make everything federal, and this is what... It's not just the left, this is what people who are using lazy thinking, that you referred to, they think we should just have one law, that we should all live exactly the same no matter wh- where we are geographically, no matter what our religion or what- however we set our set of views is. That is a nightmare. That is a nightmare for a totalitarian state because if, if the federal government, if one government controls everything, guess what? If you don't like it, you gotta leave the country, you know? Go to Mexico, go to Canada. You probably won't like it there either.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  But what are you referring to, like, in terms of, like-
4. DRDave Rubin
  You want-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... one set of laws?
6. DRDave Rubin
  Well, because you want states' rights.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
8. DRDave Rubin
  What you should care about is states' rights. So, for example, we live in California. We are taxed out the fucking wazoo. I bought a house last year. It's my first time at 41 years old that I own property in America. I made it. I own property. I don't have to tell you about my property taxes. They're insane.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  They're very high.
10. DRDave Rubin
  They're, they're absurdly, absurdly high. And-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  But that's the price you pay for living in a spot where everybody wants to live.
12. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah. No, but that's it.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
14. DRDave Rubin
  That's the beauty, right?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
16. DRDave Rubin
  So, like, there's a trade-off there. Now, I could move to Texas and the property taxes would be way low, and maybe because they don't tax as much, the schools aren't as good or a series of other things, but that's the beauty of the foot vote. You can go. This is an experiment. This thing in America-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, who's against that?
18. DRDave Rubin
  Anyone that wants to keep giving more power to the federal government, which is pretty much everybody these days, pretty much everybody in mainstream, certainly all of the Democrats. All of, you know. The, the, the mainstream set of Democrats and the Bernie and the progressive crew, they would love for the federal government to control everything. And that is an absolute nightmare. That is an absolute nightmare.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  But when you say, like, control everything, like, how so? Like what-
20. DRDave Rubin
  They want to control all economics, d- Department of Education, uh, figure out all the environmental regulations, all of those things. I would kick back everything to the states. Let the states decide, and if you don't like it, get going. I mean, that's, that's a beautiful thing. If you, if you really care about marijuana and you live in Alabama right now and it's not legal, guess what? Go to Colorado. Go to California. I mean, that, that's, that's how you'll influence things because you can move your family, your value, whatever you bring to your community and your life. I mean, think about it. Right now if, if California just kept taxing higher and higher and kept screwing up a lot of... There's a ton that's going wrong in the state. Eventually, Joe Rogan might be like, "You know, I just built this freaking kickass new studio here. I'm now paying, uh, I don't know, hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes and all this stuff. You might wanna try it somewhere else where they're gonna tax you less." But that's the beauty of the thing. You don't have to leave the country. So, the, the federal government should pretty much do nothing. It should make sure we're not warring with each other, that the states aren't warring. That's about... And then protect the borders.... beyond that, it doesn't have to do a lot. Leave it to the states. Let ... Uh, look, if you had a problem here, you know, your sewage leak right outside, you want the federal government to deal with that or do you want the local municipality to deal with that? You want everything to be as local as possible, because that's how you'll influence things, and that's how you as an individual will be empowered.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Um-
22. DRDave Rubin
  And that's all I have to say about that.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  No, I'm hearing what you're saying-
24. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... but I'm just not hearing this g- g- this clamoring for the government to take care of everything. I mean, you hear ... You heard a little bit of ... from Bernie.
26. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  You know? But I just think a l- again, a lot of that is, like, it- it's not doing it now, so the idea is that the solution would be if the government takes over and we take more rich people's taxes, you know, and he ... He'll spout off about income inequality and take that money and redistribute it, and then somehow or another that's gonna fix everything. But it's not.
28. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  You're just gonna make government bigger. You're gonna have more jobs. You're gonna have more jobs in government.
30. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
13:37 – 16:31
Free college, automation, and skepticism of government solutions
1. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's like they ... Look, you wanna give free college education to everyone. First off, it's not free. I mean, that ... It's ju- ... This is just stupid, lazy thinking to say it is free. It's not free. You gotta pay the janitor and you gotta pay the professors and everybody else.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, they mean free for students, and the- the idea being that our taxes, instead of going towards the military, they would go towards education.
3. DRDave Rubin
  Sure, so they should at least be honest in saying that.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
5. DRDave Rubin
  'Cause a certain amount of people just hear "free" and you just think it's free. But it's not free. You obviously have to pay for it.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
7. DRDave Rubin
  Uh, but also, we're moving into an economy where robots are taking over, automa- automation is taking over. Go to, you know, what I think McDonald's said, within five years, it's all gonna be iPads. Go to half the McDonald's and, you know, uh, fast food places in airports now. It's all iPads. So if you're ... The more you're gonna ... The- the government, which doesn't do anything right or well or efficiently, the more they say, "Okay, private business, you're gonna have to spend more on employees," well then, all these businesses are just gonna figure out ways, which they should do, I mean, that's ingenuity, right? They- they will figure out ways to save cost, save expenses, and then less people will be hired. And then at the same time, we're gonna be subsidizing all these people to go to college, where often in college, they're learning nothing in gender studies and- and all of these other crazy classes. And we're just gonna have this set of people who have no real skills, and we're gonna set up businesses that will never wanna hire them, because the government is gonna tell them how much to pay. I mean, you have employees here. You don't e- ... You pay them what you think is fair. And if they don't wanna do it, they don't have to. But imagine if the government came in and was like, "Joe, you're gonna have to pay your guys this amount." It's ridiculous.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Well-
9. DRDave Rubin
  Think how many people would love to work for you for free. I'm sure you get emails every day, as I do. I don't wanna-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  What, stalkers? Talking about stalkers?
11. DRDave Rubin
  Stalkers and ... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
13. DRDave Rubin
  I don't want people to work for me for free.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. DRDave Rubin
  But, like, the i-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  No, I don't like interns. I don't like the idea of it. It's silly.
17. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah, but you're a small business owner. I mean that-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
19. DRDave Rubin
  That's the fact. And you should be able to do whatever with your business and your property that you want.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. DRDave Rubin
  It's as simple as that.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Um, I'm- I'm w- ... The ... I think we get real, uh, p- ... There's a lotta cliche terms, and one of them is, like, that people who go to s- college are studying gender studies or lesbian dance theory. But how much of that is really happening?
23. DRDave Rubin
  Listen, man-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  It's- it's very small.
25. DRDave Rubin
  I-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  It does exist in some weird states. Like, I'm sure you're aware of that lady who was the, um, s- uh, professor from Fresno State who, uh, got in trouble recently.
27. DRDave Rubin
  There's so many of them. Which one was this?
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's the ... Some big lady was talking a bunch of shit. It's just ... They're- they- they're- and she said she could never get fired.
29. DRDave Rubin
  (clears throat)
30. JRJoe Rogan
  And they- they didn't fire her.
16:31 – 28:53
Campus speech conflicts: UNH protest, safety claims, and selective editing
1. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah, I'm doing 'em all the time, and what I find ... So I did this thing at University of New Hampshire. We posted it-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  I saw it.
3. DRDave Rubin
  So, look, they ... First off, what they did was, there were supposed to be about 300 people there. So they- ... At first, because of the protestors, the school said, "We can't secure a room." So think about that.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  What are they protesting you about?
5. DRDave Rubin
  Well, I was suppo- ... Technically, I was supposed to be there that day with Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
7. DRDave Rubin
  ... from Turning Point.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay.
9. DRDave Rubin
  And we were gonna talk about cultural appropriation and, you know, some of the hot-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
11. DRDave Rubin
  ... hot button stuff. So I don't even know that they all were there to protest me specifically.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
13. DRDave Rubin
  But anyway, that day was the day that Candace and Charlie ended up on TMZ with Kanye, so they bailed on me and just left (laughs) left me for the wolves.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  They- they were on TMZ with Kanye? When you mean?
15. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah, just a couple weeks ago, they- Kanye showed up at the TMZ offices with them. And-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, so they just showed up with him and they blew off their- their per-
17. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  ... their pre-
19. DRDave Rubin
  It's all good.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  ... appearance?
21. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah. It's all right. S- ... Well-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Wait, hold on.
23. DRDave Rubin
  It was me at- it was me and University of New Hampshire or Kanye and TMZ. Eh, it's all right.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, but they had a schedule.
25. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, they were supposed to be there and they just decided not to?
27. DRDave Rubin
  What are you gonna do?
28. JRJoe Rogan
  So the people, like, paid to have you come, right?
29. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  And they were supposed to be paid to go too.
28:53 – 29:32
The ‘platforming’ debate and the Bari Weiss ‘cynical or stupid’ critique
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm. Yeah, you're not supposed to give people a platform. That's what I keep hearing.
2. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah. So w- so what's your policy on that? 'Cause that seemed to be the- after this IDW, Intellectual Dark Web, article came out, that was the big thing that people kept hitting me on. It's like, "You don't want any gatekeeping. You'll talk to anybody." Now, first off, I won't talk to anybody, but I'm a general believer that you let ideas out there.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  But what is wrong with talking to people? I mean, that's always been what people have done. There al- there have always been interviews with controversial people.
4. DRDave Rubin
  Guess what happens when you stop talking to people?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, not-
6. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... good.
8. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah, that's when shit goes down.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. DRDave Rubin
  But there's a lot of people that don't want us talking to people. I mean, I- look, a lot of people were pissed, you, you smoke pot with Jones, right? You smoke pot with Alex Jones.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
29:32 – 1:05:37
Conspiracy culture: Sandy Hook, Bourdain speculation, and ‘dot-connecting’ as sport
1. DRDave Rubin
  I watched it. It's bananas. I watched all the memes. And it's like, look, that guy has done some seriously twisted, crazy shit. There is no doubt about it. The Sandy Hook stuff and, and all that.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I didn't know about the Sandy Hook stuff, by the way, before we did the podcast.
3. DRDave Rubin
  But ne-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  I knew that he believed a bunch of stupid con- conspiracies that I genuinely just dismiss, but I didn't know that he was saying that those kids never died, or that it was a hoax.
5. DRDave Rubin
  Now, would that change the equation for you?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I would've been mad at him, and I would've talked about it right away. I would've-
7. DRDave Rubin
  Mm-hmm.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  ... been like, "The fuck are you talking about? Those kids are dead." Like, there's a guy that was, uh, it was a r- the terrible story about a guy who was a conspiracy theorist before Sandy Hook, then his kid died at Sandy Hook, and a bunch of people were threatening him and calling him a crisis actor and saying his kid never died, and then he realized how insane it, it really is.
9. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  People are looking for conspiracies everywhere.
11. DRDave Rubin
  Everywhere.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Man. I keep hearing them now about Anthony Bourdain, that Bourdain was gonna expose some child pedophile ring, and that's why they suicided him. It's fucking stupid, man.
13. DRDave Rubin
  Without going down fully on that road, there is one odd thing about the Bourdain thing, which is just a few weeks ago, didn't he tweet some odd thing about having the, the... he's met the Hillary Clinton, like, machine or something, and it's pretty evil, some-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, he was talking about... No, no. I'll tell you exactly what it was.
15. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah, what was it?
16. JRJoe Rogan
  He was talking about the same people that Harvey Weinstein used, with, that were, um, Israeli... What is it? Black Cube or some shit. See if you can find the tweet because i- he's, he was basically saying that, uh...... that Donald Trump's people use the same people that Harvey Weinstein used.
17. DRDave Rubin
  Right.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  So, an Israeli intelligence group to ... You know, there was something that Harvey had done to his victims where he was trying to silence them by scaring them with these, uh, these, s- you know.
19. DRDave Rubin
  Right.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Israeli mercenary-type folks, I don't know-
21. DRDave Rubin
  All right. So, point being, don't go down that conspiracy route. Yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  But that's not what he was doing.
23. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, he was just saying-
25. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  ... he was just standing ... Like, this guy, he had some crazy thing with his girlfriend where he was, like, fully invested in her battle with Harvey Weinstein.
27. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  You know? So, that's what he tweeted about. But it wa- sh- it's like, they would kill him for that? Like, that's so fucking stupid.
29. DRDave Rubin
  Yeah. Well-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, wha- what about Ronan Farrow? What about all the people that wrote the story? What about all the, the, the people that are accusing him of rape? Like, that's ... The guy's going broke too. D- did ... People don't understand that Harvey Weinstein's business is going bankrupt. He's fucked.