Joe Rogan Experience #1152 - John Joseph

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Must be from New…

   1. JJJohn Joseph0:00

      Must be from New York.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Yeah. Well, you can definitely tell that. Four, three, two (claps hands) , and we're live Jon Joseph.

   3. JJJohn Joseph0:08

      What's happening?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      What's up, brother? How are you, man?

   5. JJJohn Joseph0:10

      Yo. This is like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      I'm excited.

   7. JJJohn Joseph0:11

      Yeah, man.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      And, uh, I'm excited too for, uh, I think it could set a nice precedent because there's so much fucking toxic energy between vegans and non-vegans. Even if we're just joking around, people get so fucking angry, and it's not necessary.

   9. JJJohn Joseph0:27

      Absolutely. I mean, where's the humor? Where's the comedy?

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Yeah.

   11. JJJohn Joseph0:31

       I mean, the other thing is I don't sit around call ... Like, I'm not defined by what the fuck I eat. Like, like this dude said, "How come you don't call yourself a vegan?" I'm like, "'Cause I do a lot more shit than just eat plant-based food." It's part of what I do.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       But don't you call yourself a vegan? I mean, you are a vegan, right?

   13. JJJohn Joseph0:48

       Uh, I practice that, uh, lifestyle for sure, but I don't call myself a vegan. Um, uh-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       That's interesting.

   15. JJJohn Joseph0:55

       ... I would say, uh, uh, people say, uh, "You know, how do you l-" ... I, I don't like to put any type of material-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Labels.

   17. JJJohn Joseph1:04

       ... label on myself. And if somebody says, you know, to me and pushes the issue, I'm like, "I'm more of a Hare Krishna Bhakti yoga person than I am a vegan." You know, even though I don't wear animal products, I don't use animal products, I, I eat a plant-based diet 100%. Um, but, uh, to call myself that just puts me in some, you know, some shelf, "Oh, it's just another vegan." Or whatever the fuck. You know, it's just-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       Well, you know, it seems to me, it's like people are always searching for an identity, and if they have an identity that, uh, "No. I'm a, I'm a carnivore. I'm on the carnivore diet."

   19. JJJohn Joseph1:42

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       Which is all the latest trend.

   21. JJJohn Joseph1:43

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       And then people get really hopped up on that and that's all they wanna do is talk carnivore diet. So the, the, the difference between what's happening right now with this carnivore diet and vegans seems very similar to me in that they're very into the identity of their food.

   23. JJJohn Joseph1:57

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       Not, not their food choices, but certainly into the fact that this is how they identify. They talk about it all the time.

   25. JJJohn Joseph2:03

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       And I just think there's f- there's pitfalls in that. There's like traps that people fall into where they lock their identity into a group.

   27. JJJohn Joseph2:11

       Absolutely.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       And this is what happens with vegans, it happens to hunters, it happens with, uh, R- Republicans, happens with Democrats. It just becomes a group thing. And then you automatically oppose people of the other group and you, you have like, you have conflict with them. You have hate with them.

   29. JJJohn Joseph2:27

       Do we need more walls?

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       We don't need more walls.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Why'd you quit? …

   1. JJJohn Joseph15:00

      you-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Why'd you quit?

   3. JJJohn Joseph15:01

      I quit 'cause I started boxing in lockup and they would have us run this fucking hill called Suicide Hill, and I would be fucking puking. And I was like, "I gotta quit fucking smoking." So I quit smoking bec- they used to do smoker fights in the lockup. So if you had a beef with somebody, you went into this rec room was about-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:19

      Explain smokers to people that don't know what that means.

   5. JJJohn Joseph15:21

      Smoker fights means you just have a beef with somebody and you can just throw on the gloves and- and go at it. And as long as it's like reasonably within 20 pounds (laughs) of a weight difference-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:32

      Yeah.

   7. JJJohn Joseph15:32

      ... like, y- you know... Although, i- in lockup I saw people, much bigger people, uh, fighting much smaller people. (laughs) And some of them guys... I mean, I w- I was not good. I got... I would fight the Black dudes and they would just beat the shit out of me.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:47

      (laughs)

   9. JJJohn Joseph15:47

      But I would just keep coming back. You know, I'm Irish, I don't quit, man. I was... A- and then, you know, I learned more of the- the sweet science and, you know, went into the Navy and- and, uh-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       So you quit smoking just for boxing, just to get your adrenaline...

   11. JJJohn Joseph15:59

       Yeah, I quit, I quit smoking, uh, yeah, for that, for that reason. But when I was locked up, I didn't quit al- almost to the end because toward the end of your, uh, sentence, they allow you to go home because y- they want to reintegrate you back with your family or whatever. And I never grew up with my mom, so they would send us home. So we would take the carton of cigarettes and open it up very carefully, open up the cellophane carefully, slide the cellophane down and put joints inside the cigarette pack, slide it back up, glue it, close the carton of cigarettes, and that's how we would get the weed back from the visits.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       (laughs)

   13. JJJohn Joseph16:34

       'Cause I wasn't smoking weed coming back out of nobody's ass. That was not happening.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       (laughs)

   15. JJJohn Joseph16:38

       I'm like, "No, thank you." So, uh, that... You know, so that was the process and, um, you know, so that's why, that's why I quit. But that's... The book came... Uh, I- I had a lot of shit, uh, a lot of demons inside of me from what happened to me. Me and my two brothers, uh, were s- you know, pretty severely abused in all kinds of ways in this foster home. Physically, mentally, sexually abused by the older kids in the home. It was fucked up and I never told anybody, but that was always something, n- no matter how much... I lived as a monk for two years, a Hare Krishna monk. Nothing, uh, cured that fucking anger that was inside of me that I had toward these people for what they did to me and the secret of like, "Yo..." It's fucked up to say like, "Yo, yo, you're this dude from the streets, you had knife fights with Puerto Ricans." I- I got shot with a .22 in Forest Park selling angel dust, I got stabbed. And then to try to say, "Yo, this motherfucker molested me," is... It took a lot out of me to- to... And nobody knew it, 'cause I never talked about it. And I took McKee's class and that was the turning point, because I went up to him and I was writing a script at the time based on what happened to me in the foster home. The kids, uh, in the screenplay, we based, uh, what- what happened to me, uh, in- in- in my younger, uh, period of my life. And, um, I never told anybody what happened. I would just avoid that. But then when I wrote the b- I started writing the book and I was taking his class... And between, uh, you know, parts of his thing when you went on a break, you could walk up to Robert McKee and say-... ask him, uh, questions. So I said, "Mr. McKee, as far as the protagonist who was abused, uh, as a kid..." And he stopped me right there and he said, "Listen, stop right there." He said, "McGowan, everybody uses it. It's a cliche, you know, abuse of children, uh, f- to develop empathy for characters we could otherwise not give a fuck about. It's not what happens to somebody, it's what they do as a result of it." And that's the fucking light came on. And, I mean, for years I would sit there, and it took me seven years to write The Evolution of a Cro-Magnon. And I would get to that part of the story and I would lose my shit and break down crying, like, fucking uncontrollably, um, because of what happened to me and my brothers. So I just skipped over that part and I would never address it. But then, you know, he gave me the strength in a lot of ways to be able to say, "Hey, man, you gotta t-" He wrote in my book. So I have his book, and he wrote to me. He goes, "John, always write the truth." And that's when I knew that that needed to come out in a book to cleanse myself. I'd been two years on crack. Uh, '88, '88, uh, uh, to '90, crack, pills, you know, uh, doing whatever. Uh, getting shot at with fucking AR-15s, robbing dealers. I had, uh, TOS, or na- it was KOS at the time, kill on sight. I was, I was a fucking maniac because I just didn't care. I- I- I actually kind of wished subconsciously that somebody would put a fucking bullet in me. When you're doing crack-

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:55

       That happens to a lot of people. A lot of people who get molested-

   17. JJJohn Joseph19:56

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:56

       ... they, they almost act out to the point where they want someone else to do it for them because they don't wanna live.

   19. JJJohn Joseph20:01

       Yeah, I was definitely, in a lot of ways, that's- that's what I was doing. But when I took, uh, his... When... That seminar helped me so much 'cause it's really like, he's really like a fucking, uh, a guru and a teacher, man. The man is amazing. If you ever get a chance to take the Robert McKee Story Seminar, it's a three-day seminar. I took it twice, then he does workshops. But the story seminar, I just walked out of there after the third day, it's 10 hours a day and you're just like, you're fucking, you're- you're, like, speechless. Like, "What the fuck did I just experience?" It's incredible. And- and that gave me, uh, the power to- to go and tell my story the right way. And the amount of emails of people that I received that were like, "Yo, that shit was done to me. Thank you for having the courage to tell the story." And, um, you know, I just kept writing after that. So even the Meatus for Pussies, uh, book was... You know, if you read it, it's tongue-in-cheek. I'm not calling... There's a lot of dudes that eat meat that could kick the shit out of me, I'm not saying... What I'm saying is if you continue to lead a sedentary lifestyle and you eat this fucked up food that's out there, that they're putting out there, that they're knowingly putting out there to fucking poison you because they're tied in with the pharmaceutical companies, it's a racket. It's, it, it's not a conspiracy, it's been proven that this is what they're doing. You will become a pussy dependent on the pharmaceutical companies to keep you alive. If you, if that's what you want, then this book is not for you, put it back.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:29

       So you got into Hare Krishnas and you got into this whole consciousness trip from the Bad Brains, which is crazy. Like, think about that. Like, people would assume, like, you think of the hardcore scene, you're thinking of drugs and violence and tattoos and-

   21. JJJohn Joseph21:44

       Nah, man.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:44

       ... chaos. And you were getting into... Uh, th- so tell me about that. How'd you get into Hare Krishnas?

   23. JJJohn Joseph21:49

       I'm gonna tell you. So, um, initially, my first in- my first interaction with Rastafarians, it was 1980. So I went to... My ship was going to Jamaica. So when you go to s-

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:01

       Oh, shit.

   25. JJJohn Joseph22:02

       When you go... Yo, yo, take this.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:03

       (laughs)

   27. JJJohn Joseph22:03

       So you go to any port and they take you down on the mess deck and they show everyone, "You go here, you go there." They're like, they show you these films. So when we were getting ready to go to Jamaica, they're like, "If you're gonna use..." And it's these, like, military films from, like, the '60s. "If you're gonna use, uh, you know, have sex with a prostitute, make sure you use a prophylactic." And then (laughs) the next photo was a fucking Rastafarian with smoke coming out of every fucking orifice.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:30

       (laughs)

   29. JJJohn Joseph22:31

       And they're like, "And under no circumstances should you talk to these people. They're just gonna try to sell you drugs." So who the fuck do you think-

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:40

       (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   So they just didn't…

   1. JJJohn Joseph30:00

      Meanwhile, I go on my ship, we go out to sea, this one redneck kept fucking with me and he was like, "Fuck you, New York faggot." And like just... I'm like, "Dude, chill. Like, you don't know me. Like, I'm not fucking with you. Just let it go, man." And he just wouldn't let it go. So, uh, I, I trapped him in the, in the paint locker, I was a boatswain's mate, and, uh, I beat him with a fucking paint can.... in the-- in the soft tissues till he shit his pants. Then they arrested me. So they had, uh, they had me on the fucking ship's arrest and all this shit. And, um, I got this bad infection. They had to medevac me off the ship back to Roosevelt Roads, Puerto Rico. And they forgot to say that, you know, I'm supposed to be handcuffed to the fucking bed. And then, uh, they cut. They didn't send those orders 'cause this was pre-computer, so the paperwork got fucked up. They gave me my, my ID and, and then they sent me back to Norfolk, and then, uh, I was just doing all my shit and hanging-

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:03

      So they just didn't know that you were supposed to be incarcerated?

   3. JJJohn Joseph31:04

      Yeah. They didn't know that I'm supposed to be awaiting court, probably court-martial or whatever the fuck, and then the civilian case too. So then, uh, the d- I d- I was in Nimitz Hall, which is TPU, Transient Personnel Union, waiting for my ship to come back, and they were gonna deal with it then. So I was there for like, I don't know, like a month and a half, and, and they were like, "Yo, your ship..." The dude I was cool with, he warned me. He goes, "Yo. Your ship is, is fucking docking today." And I was like, "Fuck." I was like, "I gotta get the fuck outta here." So I just packed up a couple of things, and I got on the bus that used to go through the base and then roll out Hampton Boulevard, and it... As I'm fucking... They had already pulled in. And as I'm pulling out the gate in the seat, the fucking master at arms of my ship, the police are right there walking across the street to fucking Nimitz Hall to get me. And I just shrunk, uh, shrunk down in the seat. But if they would've looked up-

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:06

      (laughs)

   5. JJJohn Joseph32:06

      ... that was it. I wouldn't be here telling you this story-

   6. JRJoe Rogan32:08

      (laughs)

   7. JJJohn Joseph32:08

      ...' 'cause my life would have taken a much different, uh, trajectory. So what happened was I went up and I hitchhiked with this band, The Undead, from New York, this punk band. Bobby Steele was in the-

   8. JRJoe Rogan32:20

      So were you AWOL at the time?

   9. JJJohn Joseph32:21

      Yeah, Bobby Steele was a m- original Misfits. So they, they played the 9:30 and they gave me a ride back to New York. And I get out the van and right there on Avenue A, 171 was motherfucking HR In the doorway where they recorded and lived. He's like, "Rastafari." I'm like, "Fuck." And what happened was they were playing a show a couple of days later and there's a big Puerto Rican gang that was right there that didn't want them hanging out, so they went in there one night and they... I mean, they, they killed people. I'm not gonna say the name of the, of the fucking gang because for whatever... You know, I b- I'm not trying to out 'em like that, but they were, had the largest heroin/cocaine spot in America. The feds busted their hou- ha- they busted them, knocked down their building, the whole shit. Alphabet City was out of fucking control. So nobody... The Beastie Boys were there that night, nobody would fight these dudes back. And I was on a fucking Quaalude, which is a gorilla biscuit. You think you got crazy strength. And, uh, I said to Jay Dub Lee, who was the engineer there, shit, I was like, "Yo. Let's get these motherfuckers, man." And he's like, "Dude, they kill people. Don't fuck with them. They will kill you." And I was like, "Yo, come on, you fucking dudes. You're punk rock. You're supposed to be fucking tough. Let's fucking get these guys." So they s- calmed me down, but when I got outside, the dude tried to stab me, so I blocked the knife and I hit him with a elbow and bop, bop, bop, knocked him down, smashed his head off the curb. Next thing I know, four of his homies come charging at me, "Yo, you white motherfucker," trying to stab me, and I used to wear a chain belt. And you can ask Henry, we all used to wear these chain belts with a quick release, a bike chain, to fight people. 'Cause in DC it would be the Marines would fucking s- or the rednecks would beat up the punk rockers. So I got in a chain fight with these motherfuckers-

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:08

       (laughs)

   11. JJJohn Joseph34:09

       ... and I ended up... So I, I go to run back into 171 'cause I lost a chain and one of the Beastie Boys slams the, tries to slam the door on me to keep me out on the street. "These motherfuckers wanna kill me." I pushed my way in, I got stabbed in the shoulder, and then they put out a KOS on me. They were like, "We're gonna kill that motherfucker." Nobody would hang out with me except for this one sh- crazy Russian street fighter kid named James Contra. That's the only dude. So then I said, I couldn't go down to Alphabet City at all. They were waiting there with fucking guns and bats and like, "We're gonna kill that dude." But because the Bad Brains were black, they kinda squashed it over s- but I went up there to face 'em and they surrounded me like... Fuck, a dude was like ready to fucking off me and Doc and Darryl, Doc's the guitar player, Darryl's the bass player, came running out, "Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Chill, chill." And they were like... You know, he was just, you know, standing up like, "Y'all came in there trying to stab everybody. You would've done the same shit." And the one dude's name was Crazy Eddie and, uh, he got... I think he got murdered now, but he did mad time and he just looked at me and it was that moment of the standoff where I didn't know what the fuck he was gonna do, but he just goes, "Out of all the white motherfuckers over here, you're the only one with heart. We ain't never gonna fuck with y'all again. Just don't hang out outside the storefront." 'Cause there was gigs at 171A. That's where Bad Brains played, Beastie Boys. And then the Bad Brains let me move in, and then they recorded that first album, which MCA from the Bad Brains, greatest hardcore punk album of all time, the Raw cassette, the lightning bolt sm- I was there for the whole recording.

   12. NANarrator35:52

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JJJohn Joseph35:53

       And, uh, then they got me a job, and this is where the Hare Krishna thing comes in. I alwa- I always come full circle. But, uh, so this punk band named The Dots who put out the first Bad Brains single, Jimmy Quit was in the band, and he put out a single called Stay Close to Me and Pay to Come. And Vinnie worked at this health food store, so they started giving us food and that's when I started changing over to the diet 'cause Bad Brains were like, "You..." HR would be like, "You don't eat the fuckery, you don't eat the Babylon food. You got to eat Ital. Ital is vital. Lotal can be fatal."... took me to the health-

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:30

       What is Ital?

   15. JJJohn Joseph36:32

       It means pure f- pure plant-based food. No, no oil, no fucking salt. It's like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan36:37

       No oil?

   17. JJJohn Joseph36:37

       Yeah, dude, it's the strict... It's like the Forks Over-

   18. JRJoe Rogan36:39

       What about, like, avocado oil?

   19. JJJohn Joseph36:40

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan36:41

       Coconut oil?

   21. JJJohn Joseph36:41

       No, no. Like, if you take coconut and you, and you fucking shred it down-

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:46

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JJJohn Joseph36:46

       ... so fine that the oil comes out of it, that's fine. But they don't do processed oils.

   24. JRJoe Rogan36:51

       Okay. Right. Right.

   25. JJJohn Joseph36:51

       That's a different thing. When you process the oil, if you have health problems, like what they proved in Forks Over Knives, then it becomes to- uh, toxic oil, uh, to the body. And if you have any kind of heart conditions and stuff like that, you should r- really avoid it. So anyway, what they did was they got me... They were smart, 'cause they wanted me to give them free food, the Bad Brains, (laughs) so they got me in the health food store. And the dude was like this hippie yogi dude hooked up with Satchidananda Swami. It was called Prana Foods. And he's like, "Well, uh, you're gonna do karma yoga when you first come in here. In other words, you're not gonna get any money. You're gonna... Y- you know, you can eat and it's karma yoga, it's good for your karma." So then I told everybody in the motherfucking neighborhood, I was like, "Yo, I'm working at this health food store. Come over and get some food." So, Bad Brains would come and load up groceries. I worked the juice bars, giving out fucking sandwiches to the entire neighborhood. (laughs) And the dude is sitting there watching me. And after the end of the day, he goes, "Excuse me, did, did any of those people pay for that food?" I go, "Nah, man. That's that karma yoga shit you were talking to me about."

   26. JRJoe Rogan37:54

       (laughs)

   27. JJJohn Joseph37:54

       He's like, "You're on salary as of tomorrow. Do not give away (laughs) any more food."

   28. JRJoe Rogan37:59

       (laughs) .

   29. JJJohn Joseph37:59

       So then I was like... I worked there for a little while, and Vinnie took me to the Hare Krishna Temple on 55th Street. So I kept trying to defeat this dude philosophically. I was like, "Yo, bud." And he knew the whole philosophy of the Vedas and the Bhagavad Gita is where all the yoga, uh, the, uh, all the yoga sutras and all of that comes out of the Bhagavad Gita. And Prabhupada put out the Bhagavad Gita As It Is, which was the original Bhagavad Gita from India. And, uh, I kept trying to defeat it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan38:29

       Do you read it? Do you read the Bhagavad Gita?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

   2. JJJohn Joseph45:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      But the dojo storming days, that's how a lot of people got good, is that, like, you have the real fights. You would go in there, some guy would come from another school and you knew you were gonna hit each other as hard as you could. It wasn't-

   4. JJJohn Joseph45:09

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      ... it wasn't, it wasn't really sparring.

   6. JJJohn Joseph45:11

      Well, I'll tell you, a lot of that spun into gang bonds too.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      Sure.

   8. JJJohn Joseph45:14

      Because a lot of the people that were the martial arts teachers ... This one dude, JR, he's famous, he was in The New York Times, he was one of the biggest heroin traffickers on the Lower East Side here. He was one of the first guys to get busted under the RICO statute. He did the full 25, uh, and he trained all of the dudes that sold for him and all his street soldiers were all trained in martial arts. So, a lot of these guys were doing shady shit behind the scenes-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:40

      Mm. Yeah.

   10. JJJohn Joseph45:40

       ... because that's what Alphabet City and the Lower East Side and that's what New York was about. I'm actually good friends with, uh, Tai Mok.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       Oh, no shit.

   12. JJJohn Joseph45:49

       Yeah. Tai Mok-

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       From The Last Dragon?

   14. JJJohn Joseph45:51

       Ta- Tai Mok's father is a Hare Krishna, his name is Cosmo.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       I met him in, uh, LA, like, fucking 20 years ago, he came to a show. I was like, "That's The Last Dragon."

   16. JJJohn Joseph45:59

       Yeah. Well, you know, he ... I won't say names, but he outed somebody that tried to do some shit to him and, and they blackballed him in Hollywood and the guy said, "You're never gonna make another motherfucking movie." And he hasn't.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       Oh, man.

   18. JJJohn Joseph46:14

       He got fucking ... Dude. And he's such a-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       You know that happened to Hulk Hogan? Somebody tried to fuck Hulk Hogan.

   20. JJJohn Joseph46:20

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       Can you imagine?

   22. JJJohn Joseph46:21

       (laughs) Fuck yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       You been around Hulk Hogan?

   24. JJJohn Joseph46:22

       Yeah. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       That's a giant human being.

   26. JJJohn Joseph46:24

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       And some guy was like, "I'm gonna suck your dick." And he's like, "No, brother." (laughs)

   28. JJJohn Joseph46:28

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:29

       Like, (laughs) like, for real. (laughs)

   30. JJJohn Joseph46:31

       Step up to the Slim Spits.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:14

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JJJohn Joseph1:00:00

      to that. But you know the analogy that I use is that's like getting off heroin and getting on methadone because the methadone ... "Yo, I kicked dope but I'm on fucking meth now."

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JJJohn Joseph1:00:11

      Because the methadone down the road is gonna take even a longer toll and I've seen people that are doing methadone for 20, 30 years and that's why I love the analogy because the long-term studies of those diets do not exist right now.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

      No, there's no long-term studies for the carnivore diet.

   5. JJJohn Joseph1:00:29

      But if you look at the blue zones around the planet of the people who are the most centenarians and the people that live the longest, they have three things in common.Okay? And there's, there's blue zones in Japan, Costa Rica, Greece-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

      Iran.

   7. JJJohn Joseph1:00:43

      ... United States. Well, the top five-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JJJohn Joseph1:00:46

      ... uh, with the most. And then, and then California, and it's the Adventists, the Seventh-Day Adventists. So the three things that they have most in common with the people that live the longest, number one, they have a meditation spiritual practice. They do something every day for PMA, for positive mental attitude. Whatever their higher power is, they do that every day. Number two, they move their bodies. They're working, they work in the farm, they're exercising. Number three, they eat primarily a plant-based diet. They may have a piece of fish in Japan or whatever, or a piece of meat once in a while, but primarily, the Seventh-Day ... The Adventist study was actually the best one because it was all from different people with different ethnic backgrounds and the one thing that they had in common, the Seventh-Day Adventists don't eat meat.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JJJohn Joseph1:01:37

       And, uh, that's my point with the whole thing and, you know, w- when it comes down to diet is I just see what, what worked for me and I try to relay that to people. And not, not be like, "My way's the only way," and this and that, because people, people are doing other sh- people are doing other things, uh, in their way. There's raw foodists, there's all these different people. And the problem is with the false ego in the human being, everybody wants to think-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:06

       They have the right one.

   13. JJJohn Joseph1:02:06

       ... that the glass is full, don't try to tell me shit, I know it all.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:10

       Here's an issue with centenarians. Uh, centurions, how do you say it?

   15. JJJohn Joseph1:02:13

       Centurions.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:15

       Centenarians?

   17. NANarrator1:02:15

       Centenarians?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:15

       Centenarians.

   19. JJJohn Joseph1:02:16

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:16

       I think it's centenarians, yeah. Um, people that live to be 100 years. Uh, one ... This is one thing we have to take into consideration, you're talking about people that lived already to be 100 years. So when they were 50 was 50 years ago, all right? We're talking about 1967. Nobody knew shit about diet back then. This is a fact.

   21. JJJohn Joseph1:02:33

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

       Okay. So the people that did live that long and they were living ... This, it's almost, uh, an accident in some ways or inconsequential. Like what, what is going on today with people's diet and how long will people live today? There's far more information-

   23. JJJohn Joseph1:02:48

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:48

       ... in terms of, like, nutrition and what you should do-

   25. JJJohn Joseph1:02:51

       Absolutely.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:51

       ... and shouldn't do for your body. So what I'm concerned with is, like, what optimizes people today? I wanna see blood work.

   27. JJJohn Joseph1:02:58

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:58

       I wanna see, like, what is going on with your blood lipids.

   29. JJJohn Joseph1:03:00

       Absolutely.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:01

       What is going on with your nutrient levels, what is going on with that. And in, in that case, we don't have ... We have just a few studies from a few people or a few tests from a few people that have done this carnivore diet. We have some people that have done the vegan diet and have n- had real hard problems with that diet.

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