Joe Rogan Experience #1157 - Shooter Jennings

Shooter Jennings is a musician, radio host, record label president, and is also the son of country music legend Waylon Jennings. His new album "Shooter" is available now everywhere.

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0:00 – 1:49
Shooter’s signature sunglasses and Porsche design obsessions
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Four, three, two, one. Oh, and the sweet, sweet sound of amplified voices and my man, Shooter Jennings.
2. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs) Hey, man.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Dude, you look like you're supposed to wear sunglasses. Some dudes wear sunglasses and you're like, "Bitch, get those sunglasses off."
4. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
5. JRJoe Rogan
  But you, you look like you're supposed to be wearing sunglasses.
6. SJShooter Jennings
  There was a point in time when I moved here, uh, I remember... Well, for a while they were, uh, prescription, so I had an excuse for a long time, but I went back to contacts. But there was a point in time wh- when I, I remember turning to my friend, I was like 21, and I was like, "I think I'm just gonna keep them on all the time. And then-"
7. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
8. SJShooter Jennings
  "And then it'll just be a thing. And that way I can just... If I have to close my eyes, nobody will notice, or if I'm stoned, nobody will notice."
9. JRJoe Rogan
  When people get super famous, like Jay-Z famous, they wear 'em inside everywhere, just so people don't catch a glimpse of their eyes-
10. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs) Right.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and hand them a demo tape. "Hey-"
12. SJShooter Jennings
  See, if you start out like a scrub wearing them-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
14. SJShooter Jennings
  ... then, then it's weird if you take them off, you know?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's a different thing in the Black community too. Um, like a real cool Black artist is just allowed. They're just allowed. They can just do it.
16. SJShooter Jennings
  Right, right.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  They can-
18. SJShooter Jennings
  I mean, I, I'd be disappointed if, like, I saw Bob Dylan out somewhere and he wasn't wearing them. Like, Kris Kristofferson-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
20. SJShooter Jennings
  ... wears them all the time.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
22. SJShooter Jennings
  He has the good fade too. It's like black, brown, white kinda.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, he fits right the fuck in. Conor McGregor, he can wear them indoors.
24. SJShooter Jennings
  Oh, yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Some dudes can wear them indoors.
26. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
27. JRJoe Rogan
  If I wore them indoors, I'd be a douchebag. I can't-
28. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
29. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) Plus, the kind I wear, I wear like, you know, fucking sport ones. I have a couple pairs of those that look cool, like a cool-ass aviator type ones.
30. SJShooter Jennings
  Hey, these are Porsches. My dad used to wear-
1:49 – 4:14
Smartphone marketing fakery: Huawei’s staged “selfies” and filter culture
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I did-... I just used to think that they only made cars and then, uh, I found... They, they make phones. Did you know they make a phone?
2. SJShooter Jennings
  Oh, yeah. I saw it. I've never... Um, don't they make a... Didn't they make a Blackberry for a minute? They... I think Porsche-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't know, maybe.
4. SJShooter Jennings
  ... made a Blackberry, and I think they made another phone recently. I would love to get one of those, but it's...
5. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a weird little design chop they have.
6. SJShooter Jennings
  It is, it is.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  They have a, a Huawei phone. I'm, I'm saying it wrong apparently, people correct me. Huawei. Huawei.
8. SJShooter Jennings
  What's that?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Huawei is a Chinese company that actually just got busted 'cause their newest advertisement, it shows them taking selfies, but they aren't really taking selfies. They're using like a super high-end DSLR camera that... To take-
10. SJShooter Jennings
  Oh.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... the photo and they're passing it off as if these people are just holding it up taking selfies. It's on a fucking tripod, the whole deal.
12. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
13. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, did you get, did you get a photo of that? Look at that. Look, look, look. The guy's holding it up as if he's taking a selfie, but meanwhile there's a fucking professional-
14. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... dude with a tripod, but he's making it look like he took that picture.
16. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs) Who busted them?
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh, I think the woman in the photo busted them.
18. SJShooter Jennings
  Uh-oh.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause I think she took pictures or had someone take pictures of the photo shoot. Yeah.
20. SJShooter Jennings
  She got a look on her face like that too, like, "Really?"
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, she's like, "Bitch, come on."
22. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs) Huawei.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  But mean- meanwhile, here's what's stupid about that. They don't have to do that. Those goddamn things take amazing selfies. That's a great phone.
24. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Like the, the newest, latest smartphones, they take incredible selfies.
26. SJShooter Jennings
  I know, I know.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  But people are never satisfied with the truth.
28. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
29. JRJoe Rogan
  That's why people, gorgeous women, who put those fucking crazy cartoon s- those selfie filters on.
30. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah.
4:14 – 6:56
Instagram attention economy, parenting, and kid trends (LOL Dolls, slime, fidget spinners)
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you go to Instagram? Do you, do you like pay-
2. SJShooter Jennings
  I, I-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... attention to it or you just post pictures occasionally?
4. SJShooter Jennings
  Man, I, I, I, I'm not really good at paying attention to any of it.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Good for you.
6. SJShooter Jennings
  Twitter, from day one, I kinda was in and I'll go in and out, but it's hard for me to actually keep up and care about it. Like I hate posting pictures of myself and my manager, Adam, who's here, he's always like, "Dude, if you're gonna post something on, on Instagram, just make sure you're in it or something," 'cause I'm always like taking pictures of other people and...
7. JRJoe Rogan
  You can't listen to that dude.
8. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Don't listen to your manager.
10. SJShooter Jennings
  I know.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  That's ridiculous.
12. SJShooter Jennings
  I know.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  T- uh, you can't... You're not supposed to be in every picture you take. That's crazy.
14. SJShooter Jennings
  I know.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
16. SJShooter Jennings
  But I'm, I'm, I'm bad at it and I'm very bad at caring about other peoples' pictures too. And it's like, like my wife will be like, "Oh, I just posted on Instagram so I gotta go like it." You know?
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, that's annoying.
18. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs) Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, you gotta talk to her about that. (laughs)
20. SJShooter Jennings
  I know. Nah, she's... You know, her pictures are good so I'm-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm sure they're great-
22. SJShooter Jennings
  ... I'm good with it, but-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... but goddamn, do I have to double tap each and every one of them?
24. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Can't I just give you the nod? Looks good.
26. SJShooter Jennings
  I know. Well, see-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Like it.
28. SJShooter Jennings
  ... see, it's easy to throw that off, but see, my daughter is now, who's 10, now has an Instagram account.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
30. SJShooter Jennings
  And if I'm not liking them, I feel horrible. I'm like, "I've gotta-"
6:56 – 9:38
Slime ingredients, Tide Pods, and the risks of kids “changing their state”
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Was the Tide Pod real? Was it ... Were people really eating detergent?
2. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Was that real?
4. SJShooter Jennings
  I guess.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  That seems like it would be unbelievably bad for your body to eat a detergent pod.
6. SJShooter Jennings
  I mean, we used to huff, uh, like, Scotchgard when we were kids, or Potpourri.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
8. SJShooter Jennings
  I mean, maybe it's the same kind of thing.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  I used to smell markers.
10. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah. (laughs)
11. JRJoe Rogan
  I used to love the smell of, like, a good Sharpie, like, a fat one. (inhales deeply)
12. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah. Did anyone ever do the thing in school for you where they grab you and they, they pull you up and then you almost pass out for ... And then they let you go? We used to do that in, in elementary school where they-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah. What was that? How'd that work?
14. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, I think I- I would get behind you-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  They'd squeeze you, right?
16. SJShooter Jennings
  ... and pick you up and then hold you-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Shake you or some shit?
18. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, until you can't basically breathe, you're almost suffocating, and then let you go.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
20. SJShooter Jennings
  And then you're like, "Hi." "Hi." (laughs)
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
22. SJShooter Jennings
  "Hi." (laughs)
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm. Yeah. That's ...
24. SJShooter Jennings
  I don't know. The kids-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Kids are always trying to ch- ... Well, even monkeys, man. I mean, a- animals try to change their state. You know, they- they- they- they think it's just a natural thing that creatures try to change their state, try and change their state of consciousness, even little kids. But I wonder about that slime stuff because I genuinely, genuinely worry. Like, n- ... People, I don't think, have been dealing with large volumes of glue and detergent like that, with physical-
26. SJShooter Jennings
  Borax too.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. SJShooter Jennings
  That's another one.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah, Borax is another one.
30. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, that's fucking toxic, you know?
9:38 – 14:12
Money, influence, and paranoia: from Apple’s rise to “thresholds” of power
1. JRJoe Rogan
  ... he's a staunch Republican now.
2. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, but he's- he's- he's- he's funny. I mean, regardless of what side you're on, he is just always on fire with that. And he- he likes-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
4. SJShooter Jennings
  ... doing it just to aggravate people.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, well, he se- ... It seems like he's done with the whole acting thing, right? He seems like he's kinda-
6. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, he said he invested in Apple in the '80s and he's fine with being blacklisted.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
8. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah. That's what he said. He put- made a tweet or something like that where-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, the investment in Apple. Hmm.
10. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Interesting. Yeah. That's, uh ... How weird is that? You could just say, "I think this company's gonna kick some ass. Lemme buy a piece."
12. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Think he would get a piece of a company.
14. SJShooter Jennings
  And then they become the Apple.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. SJShooter Jennings
  He-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Apple apparently has a ... more than a trillion dollars now.
18. SJShooter Jennings
  I know. That- isn't that insane?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. SJShooter Jennings
  That's kinda dangerous, anybody to have that kinda influence though, with these phones and shit. It's like, that's pretty, pretty dangerous.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. I- I kinda trust them with data though. I feel like-
22. SJShooter Jennings
  Even with their China deal?
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, well, Google has a weird China deal too.
24. SJShooter Jennings
  Well, they-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  You know?
26. SJShooter Jennings
  They also have secret servers in- in North Korea and shit too.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  (gasps) They have all that stuff?
28. SJShooter Jennings
  Google does? Yeah, well, I mean, they just have servers set up in- in all these other countries. It ... They tell them data's dangerous-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  All of them set up in North Korea?
30. SJShooter Jennings
  ... 'cause I don't trust any of them.
14:12 – 19:15
Italy, super-yachts, Steve Jobs’ ‘floating Apple Store,’ and diet-study confusion
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I was in Italy, I just got back, and, uh, we, uh, took a boat from, um, uh, from the Amalfi Coast, took a mo- a- a boat from Amalfi to Capri, which is an island.
2. SJShooter Jennings
  Wow, yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Also, it's gorgeous, man. But when you're there, you see the crazy yachts. Like, Steve Jobs has a yacht-
4. SJShooter Jennings
  Wow.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that he had built before he died, and now his family owns it, I guess.
6. SJShooter Jennings
  It's like Leo DiCaprio and Bella Hadid and people like that, ever.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  His, his yacht looks like an Apple Store.
8. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  It's the craziest thing. I mean, we, we drove right by it.
10. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yachts are weird too, because they're worth, like, 100 million bucks, but you could basically, like, drive up and smack it. Like, no one could stop you. (laughs)
12. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
13. JRJoe Rogan
  You know? It's, there's, it's weird. I mean, that's how pirates work, right? They can just-
14. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... hop on top. They throw a grappling hook up, and-
16. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... they climb on top of your yacht. But-
18. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah. I love that.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... we were driving by. He's got-
20. SJShooter Jennings
  You could smack it.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  He's got a f- there it is. That's it.
22. SJShooter Jennings
  Wow. (laughs) Look at that.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Dude, it's a floating Apple Store.
24. SJShooter Jennings
  See, I don't want that. I don't wanna have to deal with that and the maintenance-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
26. SJShooter Jennings
  ... and everything. I'm fine. I'd rather just-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. SJShooter Jennings
  ... just, first class-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Just coin it.
30. SJShooter Jennings
  ... it and, uh, and go to, you know, go on a trip and maybe rent that yacht for, like... if I had the money to do it.
19:15 – 23:33
Classic rumors and the body-horror reality check (Gere, gerbils, ER stories)
1. SJShooter Jennings
  Marilyn Manson took his rib out.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  What? Did he?
3. SJShooter Jennings
  Just so he could suck us on dick. No, but that was- I heard that.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that was a rumor back in the day. Those-
5. SJShooter Jennings
  Did he?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
7. SJShooter Jennings
  I met him. He might.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
9. SJShooter Jennings
  He might.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  I didn't do-
11. SJShooter Jennings
  He might actually do that. Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Um, yeah, that was one. How about, here's the, the granddaddy of all rumors. Richard Gere and that gerbil in his ass.
13. SJShooter Jennings
  And the gerbil in his ass.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Everybody knew that.
15. SJShooter Jennings
  How is that possible? I wanna know how that-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  A gerbil up your ass?
17. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, how is that possible?
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, it's possible.
19. SJShooter Jennings
  How?
20. JRJoe Rogan
  My buddy Steve did his residency at, in Miami. He's a ophthalmologist, and he told me that they pulled all kinds of things out of dudes' butts. You know, you know those, uh, kind of thick lighting, uh, those thick, uh, light bulbs that look like a, like a tree? Like a Christmas tree?
21. SJShooter Jennings
  Right. (laughs)
22. JRJoe Rogan
  You know those ones?
23. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Some dude shoved one of those up his asshole and it broke.
25. SJShooter Jennings
  (sighs)
26. GUGuest
  Did you watch, uh, the Who is America yesterday?
27. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah. I didn't-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  No, I haven't seen a new one.
29. GUGuest
  I haven't watched a single episode of it yet.
30. SJShooter Jennings
  Oh, I lo- I love that show by the way.
23:33 – 29:59
Miami cocaine era and CIA intrigue: Cocaine Cowboys and Freeway Ricky Ross
1. JRJoe Rogan
  But he said it was just ... To go from being a medical school, school student to doing a residency in Miami and just seeing just crazy amounts of violence. He said it was just insane. Like, have you seen Cocaine Cowboys?
2. SJShooter Jennings
  I have not. I've heard about it.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, my God. Billy Corben, who's been on the-
4. SJShooter Jennings
  Maybe I saw part of it.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... maybe past four, made two of the most amazing documentaries ever.
6. SJShooter Jennings
  That's about the Blow era-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
8. SJShooter Jennings
  ... of cocaine. I mean, uh, the movie-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
10. SJShooter Jennings
  ... Blow and all that. George, what's his name?
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Dude.
12. SJShooter Jennings
  George Hong or whatever. Joe Hong.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, no, it was o- about Griselda, Griselda Blanco, who is this, uh, badass bitch from Colombia. Was she from Colombia?
14. NANarrator
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Bogota, yes. She was from Colombia.
16. SJShooter Jennings
  Oh, that was the Miami shit, wasn't it?
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes, yes.
18. SJShooter Jennings
  That's right. I think I saw part of that documentary, but I always wanted to watch it. I just never ...
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, it's so good. It's ... So he's ge- he's just got two of them, so if you, you do it, you gotta fucking get the double dose.
20. SJShooter Jennings
  What's the other one?
21. JRJoe Rogan
  And ... Cocaine Cowboys Two.
22. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs) oh.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Why fuck around with a crazy-
24. SJShooter Jennings
  All right.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... hard to remember sequel name?
26. SJShooter Jennings
  (laughs)
27. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) But, uh, Cocaine Cowboys One and Two. Oh my God. Y- ... It's ... Y- ... The, uh, that ... There was one year where everyone who graduated from the police academy either was murdered or went to jail. Every single graduate-
28. SJShooter Jennings
  Wow.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... was either killed, because they're, they had a par- a part of the cocaine business, or, uh, they went to jail for being corrupt.
30. SJShooter Jennings
  Wow.
29:59 – 32:13
Alex Jones, deplatforming, and the free speech vs. harm dilemma (Sandy Hook)
1. JRJoe Rogan
  He's trying to come back on and I just don't know if I could do it.
2. SJShooter Jennings
  Oh, come on, let him come on. They're fucking shutting him down.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  It's not that they- they are shutting him down, but the problem is (clears throat) he's still on trial. This, this whole trial that's going on with, uh, Sandy Hook.
4. SJShooter Jennings
  I know.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, all that shit has to be resolved first. But it doesn't make sense-
6. SJShooter Jennings
  I get it.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, Bill Maher, respect to Bill Maher, he was-
8. SJShooter Jennings
  I love, respect to him for saying he gets to speak too, and I agree too.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, he was, he was on his show and people were clapping and cheering that he was pulled off of these networks and pulled off of everything. He's like, "Look, this guy said crazy lies about me," this is what Bill Maher said. He said, "The guy said crazy lies about me." He goes, "But he still gets to talk." Like, this is what America's about.
10. SJShooter Jennings
  It is.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Free speech means all speech.
12. SJShooter Jennings
  But see, like, here's what I don't understand.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
14. SJShooter Jennings
  Like, Alex had me on many times, and he supported my record Black Ribbons when it came out.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Did he really?
16. SJShooter Jennings
  And, and, yeah, he did.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  You've been on the Alex Jones Show many times?
18. SJShooter Jennings
  I, I've been, I've been on it three times.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Were you ever sober?
20. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, every time.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
22. SJShooter Jennings
  Ev- yeah, yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  You've never been on a show sober?
24. SJShooter Jennings
  Every time, 'cause I've never, I, it was never a situation-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  (coughs)
26. SJShooter Jennings
  Well, the first time, I was, the, uh, we had the Black Ribbons record that I did that has Stephen King on it and stuff. Like, so when that record came out, nobody would support the record. So Alex Jones came-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Stephen King's on your record?
28. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, o- o- older record from way back.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  What did he do? Like, voiceover the show?
30. SJShooter Jennings
  He's in, he plays, he plays a DJ, a radio talk show host that comes in and out of the record, um, probably-
32:13 – 46:54
Media glitches, ‘debunking,’ and how conspiracies exploit uncertainty
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Wait, what happened? What is this?
2. SJShooter Jennings
  Well, there's, there's a video of Anderson Cooper interviewing one of the moms from Sandy Hook.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
4. SJShooter Jennings
  And he, he walked, he leans a little too far forward and his nose disappears. And it's probably because they had a stand-in reporter talking to the mom. And-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  What?
6. SJShooter Jennings
  ... A- Anderson Cooper was then like, uh, put in via, you know, whatever green screen, and like, he kind of like-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay, I need to see this.
8. SJShooter Jennings
  That, it is there. I mean, I know this is, we're, we're propelling... But my point is, is like, and I'm not, I mean, Sandy Hook, I remember where I was when I heard about Sandy Hook. And it was horrific, and I don't believe for a second that there's like, it's all fake or anything like that. But like, Alex's thing has always been that. I remember watching him go to Bohemian Grove. And when we did the fucking record, uh, this is back when nobody was paying attention to him, it was just a certain small group.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
10. SJShooter Jennings
  But I remember we did the Black Ribbons record and we took a clip of the laughing for, he went, he snuck into Bohemian Grove-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep.
12. SJShooter Jennings
  ... and filmed the ceremony. And there's like a scene where they, uh, or not a scene, I guess scene in his film, but there's a part of that where they're doing the ceremony and they have this like, it's like Disneyland when you go watch-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Molech the Owl God.
14. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, yeah, but it's like, it's done in a way where it's like Disneyland when you watch like the, the fairies fly around the castle. Like, there was a whole thing where there was like a laugh that happens at the end of the Molech thing or whatever.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
16. SJShooter Jennings
  Or the big owl and the, and the, the funeral parlor and all that.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Guys dressed like druids.
18. SJShooter Jennings
  Right. So like, I used a part of that. But I remember watching that documentary and he, you know, his deal has always been so over the top where like you go, he, he's like, "Where are the s-" He'd like go to the local people n- near Bohemian Grove, he's like, "We're looking for where the Satanists go to go do their thing."
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
20. SJShooter Jennings
  You know, and it's obviously, at this point, it's not like people who are knowingly Satanists. It's like really old fat rich guys that go there, and there's probably hookers and all kinds of shit, because that's what happens at big r- rich things.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Especially in the '90s.
22. SJShooter Jennings
  I mean, so-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  You could get away with it.
24. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah, right. And so like now, with all this, and they're crucifying him, especially pointing, especially the Megyn Kelly thing. And I just feel bad for him, because-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  What do you mean, especially the Megyn Kelly thing? What do you mean?
26. SJShooter Jennings
  ... 'cause, 'cause that was clearly a hit piece with Alex, because like, they, she buddied up to him, and then, then focused that piece on the Sandy Hook thing. You know, they had their talk, which-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Wait, but in her defense, how could she not?
28. SJShooter Jennings
  Of course, of course.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  She's gotta, if you're gonna interview Alex Jones.
30. SJShooter Jennings
  But if you're g- if I was gonna come... But if I came here, with the, with the intention of like just talking to you, and then all of a sudden you were like, "Hey, on this day, on this thing, when you did this thing," like you focused on this one thing.
46:54 – 1:15:20
Centralized platforms, troll farms, and ‘internet adolescence’
1. SJShooter Jennings
  I agree. But, but let's, let's get out of the, let me, let me tell you an example, uh, what I, what I have seen of this. I run a bulletin board system called Bit Sunrise, which is like old technology that used to be modems used to dial into bulletin board systems. You can Telnet into it. Telnet is a port, port 23 is the Telnet port. Well, DVRs also share port 23. So-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  DVRs like, uh-
3. SJShooter Jennings
  DVRs like your, your DVR-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  ... your DirecTV where you're-
5. SJShooter Jennings
  ... that is connected to-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  ... storing your foot-
7. SJShooter Jennings
  ... not all, not all... Yeah, where you, w-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Where you, like, if you, if you record a show on a weekly basis-
9. SJShooter Jennings
  It is on, there, there is an open port. It's not always 23 on the units, but it's shared with, with the Telnet port. So during the election, during the months up to the election and the months after the election, I would say four months, five months leading up, five months after, on my bulletin... This is kind of technical when I, what I'm trying to explain this to you, but, uh, um, when you, when you Telnet into a computer you... (sniffs) You could, for mine, you would Telnet in and it would give you a login, you, it has a picture that's drawn and you, you put your name and your, your address, or your password in and you log in. Well, during the five months leading up to the election and the five months afterwards I was getting, every day, probably all day long, 10 or 20 connections that were coming in and they were just, uh, uh, I wouldn't say a bot. They were like... They were scripts that were trying to log into DVRs and trying to log into, um, like, IP cameras that you can control and everything like that. So I was watching for, for that, about a year period, and like-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  So, wait. Ho- let me pause you here. So you're saying that these bots were trying to control DVRs and cameras that people have on their televisions?
11. SJShooter Jennings
  They were just, they were just testing. And 90% of them were coming from China, 10% of them were coming from maybe Russia and other places. But 90% China, Korea, 'cause you can look at the IP addresses in the logs.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  So what are they testing for? They're testing for flaws in the system?
13. SJShooter Jennings
  All they're, all they're trying to do is, (clears throat) they would try, they would be looking for a Linux login, which would be like, um, you know, login... Like an- like if you were to Telnet or SSH into a device like that, the first thing it would get was a login. And usually it's root is the controller. And so they were just trying to find, they were just-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
15. SJShooter Jennings
  ... just blindly, mass blindly going to IP addresses and trying to hack into them root, and then they'd try a password, then they'd try, like, this, they'd try that, they'd try the bla- you know? So the Russian bot thing, I understand that, but I don't think it was a coordinated effort. I think that, like, all... During that whole time I was watching my computer. Like, I have... It's kind of... I'm, I'm getting real nerdy here, but it's like I have these games that, like, in, that people play. And, like, once you get past the 13th, 14th, 15th node, which me- es- essentially means, like, once there's 15 people playing at the same time, then the game stopped working. So I would be having to deal with these Chinese and Russia thing, uh, Russian and all these, all of them, just mass trying to just break in. And it was because of the DVRs and because of the IP cameras. Like, they were really literally trying to hack your system to just do whatever. I don't know what the purpose was, but, like, I watched it and it was, it was China mostly. I mean, Russia was a small amount. And I think that all those countries, all the time, are, are, have people that are constantly trying to, uh, hack and interact with these, uh, with our shit.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
17. SJShooter Jennings
  I mean, it's just a thing. You know what I mean?
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, there's that as well. There's that as well.
19. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah. But I think it's part of it.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  But there's... Hold on. There's that as well.
21. SJShooter Jennings
  Right.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  But there's also people that are absolutely trying to influence elections, they're absolutely trying to influence our system, and they're, they're trying to manipulate political parties, and they're trying to start dissent. And this is one of the things that's really fascinating about this, uh, Radiolab podcast where they talk about how these Russian troll farms literally set up protests. They hired people to pretend to be Donald Trump, and they hired people to pretend to be Hillary and put her in a cage and have people chant, "Lock her up." Like, th- this is all manufactured dissent and manufactured outrage that they're, they're strategically promoting.
23. SJShooter Jennings
  I mean, that's, that... Fascinating to me.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  But here you gotta think. Pause for a second. You gotta think. Russia is... We... You're talking about a giant place. Okay?
25. SJShooter Jennings
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  So to pretend that what's happening with these people hacking into DVRs and web cameras is all that's happening.
27. SJShooter Jennings
  No, I'm not saying that.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, there's some-
29. SJShooter Jennings
  I'm just saying that I'm just saying-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  But you're saying what you're exposed to-

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Centralized platforms, troll farms, and ‘internet adolescence’

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