Joe Rogan Experience #1157 - Shooter Jennings

Joe Rogan 0:00 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Four, three, two, one. Oh, and the sweet, sweet sound of amplified voices and my man, Shooter Jennings.

Shooter Jennings 0:12 (laughs) Hey, man.

Joe Rogan 0:13 Dude, you look like you're supposed to wear sunglasses. Some dudes wear sunglasses and you're like, "Bitch, get those sunglasses off."

Shooter Jennings 0:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:19 But you, you look like you're supposed to be wearing sunglasses.

Shooter Jennings 0:22 There was a point in time when I moved here, uh, I remember... Well, for a while they were, uh, prescription, so I had an excuse for a long time, but I went back to contacts. But there was a point in time wh- when I, I remember turning to my friend, I was like 21, and I was like, "I think I'm just gonna keep them on all the time. And then-"

Joe Rogan 0:40 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 0:40 "And then it'll just be a thing. And that way I can just... If I have to close my eyes, nobody will notice, or if I'm stoned, nobody will notice."

Joe Rogan 0:47 When people get super famous, like Jay-Z famous, they wear 'em inside everywhere, just so people don't catch a glimpse of their eyes-

Shooter Jennings 0:54 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 0:54 ... and hand them a demo tape. "Hey-"

Shooter Jennings 0:56 See, if you start out like a scrub wearing them-

Joe Rogan 0:59 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 0:59 ... then, then it's weird if you take them off, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:01 Well, it's a different thing in the Black community too. Um, like a real cool Black artist is just allowed. They're just allowed. They can just do it.

Shooter Jennings 1:09 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:10 They can-

Shooter Jennings 1:10 I mean, I, I'd be disappointed if, like, I saw Bob Dylan out somewhere and he wasn't wearing them. Like, Kris Kristofferson-

Joe Rogan 1:15 Right.

Shooter Jennings 1:15 ... wears them all the time.

Joe Rogan 1:16 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 1:16 He has the good fade too. It's like black, brown, white kinda.

Joe Rogan 1:20 Yeah, he fits right the fuck in. Conor McGregor, he can wear them indoors.

Shooter Jennings 1:23 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24 Some dudes can wear them indoors.

Shooter Jennings 1:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:25 If I wore them indoors, I'd be a douchebag. I can't-

Shooter Jennings 1:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:29 (laughs) Plus, the kind I wear, I wear like, you know, fucking sport ones. I have a couple pairs of those that look cool, like a cool-ass aviator type ones.

Shooter Jennings 1:36 Hey, these are Porsches. My dad used to wear-

Joe Rogan 1:38 Ooh.

Shooter Jennings 1:38 ... Porsches.

Joe Rogan 1:38 Oh, nice.

Shooter Jennings 1:38 And like, at one point I, I ran across their purple ones and I was like, I bought like four pairs and I keep breaking them and this is my last one.

Joe Rogan 1:44 Those are very dope.

Shooter Jennings 1:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:45 Those are Porsche design?

Shooter Jennings 1:47 Yeah, Porsche.

Joe Rogan 1:47 They make some dope shit.

Shooter Jennings 1:48 They do. It's good.

Joe Rogan 1:49 I did-... I just used to think that they only made cars and then, uh, I found... They, they make phones. Did you know they make a phone?

Shooter Jennings 1:54 Oh, yeah. I saw it. I've never... Um, don't they make a... Didn't they make a Blackberry for a minute? They... I think Porsche-

Joe Rogan 2:00 I don't know, maybe.

Shooter Jennings 2:00 ... made a Blackberry, and I think they made another phone recently. I would love to get one of those, but it's...

Joe Rogan 2:05 It's a weird little design chop they have.

Shooter Jennings 2:08 It is, it is.

Joe Rogan 2:08 They have a, a Huawei phone. I'm, I'm saying it wrong apparently, people correct me. Huawei. Huawei.

Shooter Jennings 2:13 What's that?

Joe Rogan 2:14 Huawei is a Chinese company that actually just got busted 'cause their newest advertisement, it shows them taking selfies, but they aren't really taking selfies. They're using like a super high-end DSLR camera that... To take-

Shooter Jennings 2:28 Oh.

Joe Rogan 2:28 ... the photo and they're passing it off as if these people are just holding it up taking selfies. It's on a fucking tripod, the whole deal.

Shooter Jennings 2:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:36 I mean, did you get, did you get a photo of that? Look at that. Look, look, look. The guy's holding it up as if he's taking a selfie, but meanwhile there's a fucking professional-

Shooter Jennings 2:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:44 ... dude with a tripod, but he's making it look like he took that picture.

Shooter Jennings 2:49 (laughs) Who busted them?

Joe Rogan 2:50 Uh, I think the woman in the photo busted them.

Shooter Jennings 2:53 Uh-oh.

Joe Rogan 2:53 'Cause I think she took pictures or had someone take pictures of the photo shoot. Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 2:59 She got a look on her face like that too, like, "Really?"

Joe Rogan 3:01 Yeah, she's like, "Bitch, come on."

Shooter Jennings 3:03 (laughs) Huawei.

Joe Rogan 3:04 But mean- meanwhile, here's what's stupid about that. They don't have to do that. Those goddamn things take amazing selfies. That's a great phone.

Shooter Jennings 3:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:11 Like the, the newest, latest smartphones, they take incredible selfies.

Shooter Jennings 3:15 I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 3:15 But people are never satisfied with the truth.

Shooter Jennings 3:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:19 That's why people, gorgeous women, who put those fucking crazy cartoon s- those selfie filters on.

Shooter Jennings 3:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:26 And they're beautiful. And then they'll, they'll turn themselves into a cartoon like you don't get it, like you're supposed to have pores.

Shooter Jennings 3:32 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:33 We don't mind pores. I don't mind the wrinkles on your skin when you smile. I don't mind, you know, the, the, the bubbles of saliva on your teeth, okay?

Shooter Jennings 3:44 Man...

Joe Rogan 3:44 People are getting in this weird state of mind where they think they're so... You know, they, they said there's an epidemic of girls, like Insta models, that are actually getting surgery to try to look like they look in their selfies.

Shooter Jennings 3:55 Oh my God. You know, speaking of Insta models, I just listened to David Spade's audio, audio book, which I thought was great, the, uh, I guess what, Polaroid guy in a Snapchat world or whatever. And there's a lot of chapters that deal with the Insta... I don't even reali- I didn't even realize this was a thing, like I'm so out of-

Joe Rogan 4:11 Ooh, it's a thing, dude.

Shooter Jennings 4:12 (sighs) I'm so out of the loop with, with this, uh...

Joe Rogan 4:14 Do you go to Instagram? Do you, do you like pay-

Shooter Jennings 4:16 I, I-

Joe Rogan 4:16 ... attention to it or you just post pictures occasionally?

Shooter Jennings 4:18 Man, I, I, I, I'm not really good at paying attention to any of it.

Joe Rogan 4:22 Good for you.

Shooter Jennings 4:22 Twitter, from day one, I kinda was in and I'll go in and out, but it's hard for me to actually keep up and care about it. Like I hate posting pictures of myself and my manager, Adam, who's here, he's always like, "Dude, if you're gonna post something on, on Instagram, just make sure you're in it or something," 'cause I'm always like taking pictures of other people and...

Joe Rogan 4:39 You can't listen to that dude.

Shooter Jennings 4:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:40 Don't listen to your manager.

Shooter Jennings 4:41 I know.

Joe Rogan 4:41 That's ridiculous.

Shooter Jennings 4:42 I know.

Joe Rogan 4:42 T- uh, you can't... You're not supposed to be in every picture you take. That's crazy.

Shooter Jennings 4:45 I know.

Joe Rogan 4:45 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 4:45 But I'm, I'm, I'm bad at it and I'm very bad at caring about other peoples' pictures too. And it's like, like my wife will be like, "Oh, I just posted on Instagram so I gotta go like it." You know?

Joe Rogan 4:54 Oh, that's annoying.

Shooter Jennings 4:56 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:56 Yeah, you gotta talk to her about that. (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 4:57 I know. Nah, she's... You know, her pictures are good so I'm-

Joe Rogan 5:00 I'm sure they're great-

Shooter Jennings 5:01 ... I'm good with it, but-

Joe Rogan 5:02 ... but goddamn, do I have to double tap each and every one of them?

Shooter Jennings 5:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:04 Can't I just give you the nod? Looks good.

Shooter Jennings 5:05 I know. Well, see-

Joe Rogan 5:07 Like it.

Shooter Jennings 5:07 ... see, it's easy to throw that off, but see, my daughter is now, who's 10, now has an Instagram account.

Joe Rogan 5:11 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 5:11 And if I'm not liking them, I feel horrible. I'm like, "I've gotta-"

Joe Rogan 5:13 Oh, that's different.

Shooter Jennings 5:14 My wife's already liking them and I'm like, "God..."

Joe Rogan 5:16 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 5:16 Damn it.

Joe Rogan 5:16 I don't- God damn. I think that's a lot of pressure for a kid, man.

Shooter Jennings 5:19 It ... Well-

Joe Rogan 5:20 Hers-

Shooter Jennings 5:20 ... hers are all pictures of these LOL Dolls that she's obsessed with anyway.

Joe Rogan 5:23 Mm.

Shooter Jennings 5:24 And slime-

Joe Rogan 5:24 LOL.

Shooter Jennings 5:24 ... and things.

Joe Rogan 5:25 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 5:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:25 Slime is the new one, huh?

Shooter Jennings 5:27 Yeah, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 5:27 Who the fuck saw that coming? Oh, by the way, fidget spinners, out.

Shooter Jennings 5:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:30 I just found out.

Shooter Jennings 5:31 Slime in, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:32 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 5:32 I mean, uh, my, my son got so obsessed with fidget spinners, and my daughter, but really my son, to the point where, like, uh, they were spending some time in New York and I'd be gone up there. And we'd walk down the street and, like, every fucking vendor, every newsstand, every, like, pretzel place had, like, fidget spinners out.

Joe Rogan 5:47 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 5:48 And- and, like, I'd have to buy it, you know? I mean, like, he'd be like, "Ooh, that one has a skull on it," and I'd be like, "Okay," and it's, like, 10 bucks and then-

Joe Rogan 5:55 To spin, just to ... Eh.

Shooter Jennings 5:56 ... it'd break. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:56 Probably cost, like, 15 cents to manufacture in Taiwan.

Shooter Jennings 5:59 That guy, he's, like, an 18-year-old kid who came up with that, and he wanted to be an entrepreneur and he made that-

Joe Rogan 6:03 Really?

Shooter Jennings 6:04 ... and now he's, like, a billionaire.

Joe Rogan 6:05 How did he figure that out? Like, I wanna talk to that dude and go, "Hey, man."

Shooter Jennings 6:08 Right? You should have him on the show.

Joe Rogan 6:09 Sh- yeah. Don't- don't give out the secret, but what the fuck is next?

Shooter Jennings 6:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:13 'Cause I didn't see slime coming either. My daughters have fucking gallons of glue and- and-

Shooter Jennings 6:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:19 ... and- and, uh, detergent.

Shooter Jennings 6:21 Dude, Elmer's. Yeah. Uh, just yesterday-

Joe Rogan 6:23 Gallons.

Shooter Jennings 6:23 ... my- my daughter and son were making slime with it and I was- I was saying the same thing. I'm like, man, I mean, we had, like, Ectoplasm slime and- and Nickelodeon slime when I was a kid. And, like, all ... But it was not like this all of a sudden.

Joe Rogan 6:36 No.

Shooter Jennings 6:36 It's like, uh, uh, I can't believe it. And then you watch the commercials for glue, they have glow-in-the-dark glue, and they're, like, showing a kid making slime with the glue.

Joe Rogan 6:44 Yeah, they're Elmer's.

Shooter Jennings 6:46 And you know. Talk about an unexpected boost for Elmer's.

Joe Rogan 6:48 Yeah, they must've jumped.

Shooter Jennings 6:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:50 They must've jumped big.

Shooter Jennings 6:50 And Tide.

Joe Rogan 6:51 They came up. Elmer's came up-

Shooter Jennings 6:51 Time pa- ... Between Tide Pods and the slime, Tide's, like, fucking sitting pretty.

Joe Rogan 6:56 Was the Tide Pod real? Was it ... Were people really eating detergent?

Shooter Jennings 6:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:58 Was that real?

Shooter Jennings 7:00 I guess.

Joe Rogan 7:00 That seems like it would be unbelievably bad for your body to eat a detergent pod.

Shooter Jennings 7:04 I mean, we used to huff, uh, like, Scotchgard when we were kids, or Potpourri.

Joe Rogan 7:09 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 7:09 I mean, maybe it's the same kind of thing.

Joe Rogan 7:10 I used to smell markers.

Shooter Jennings 7:12 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:12 I used to love the smell of, like, a good Sharpie, like, a fat one. (inhales deeply)

Shooter Jennings 7:16 Yeah. Did anyone ever do the thing in school for you where they grab you and they, they pull you up and then you almost pass out for ... And then they let you go? We used to do that in, in elementary school where they-

Joe Rogan 7:25 Oh, yeah. What was that? How'd that work?

Shooter Jennings 7:27 Yeah, I think I- I would get behind you-

Joe Rogan 7:29 They'd squeeze you, right?

Shooter Jennings 7:29 ... and pick you up and then hold you-

Joe Rogan 7:31 Shake you or some shit?

Shooter Jennings 7:32 Yeah, until you can't basically breathe, you're almost suffocating, and then let you go.

Joe Rogan 7:35 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 7:35 And then you're like, "Hi." "Hi." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:38 Mm.

Shooter Jennings 7:38 "Hi." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:39 Mm. Yeah. That's ...

Shooter Jennings 7:41 I don't know. The kids-

Joe Rogan 7:42 Kids are always trying to ch- ... Well, even monkeys, man. I mean, a- animals try to change their state. You know, they- they- they- they think it's just a natural thing that creatures try to change their state, try and change their state of consciousness, even little kids. But I wonder about that slime stuff because I genuinely, genuinely worry. Like, n- ... People, I don't think, have been dealing with large volumes of glue and detergent like that, with physical-

Shooter Jennings 8:07 Borax too.

Joe Rogan 8:08 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 8:08 That's another one.

Joe Rogan 8:08 Oh, yeah, Borax is another one.

Shooter Jennings 8:09 Yeah, that's fucking toxic, you know?

Joe Rogan 8:11 It gets in your ... Your skin is an organ. People don't realize that. You don't think about that when you're spraying on-

Shooter Jennings 8:15 Lipoid.

Joe Rogan 8:16 ... all the different shit th- people put on their bodies, like ... I think about that when I use, um, sunscreen. I'm like, "What is this stuff?" But ...

Shooter Jennings 8:22 (laughs) Right. You're- you're blocking-

Joe Rogan 8:24 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 8:24 ... your pores with some goo.

Joe Rogan 8:25 Some goo- ... Well, it's also your- your skin's absorbing it. Like, um, like, when you go in that isolation tank, that's one of the best ways to absorb magnesium because of the Epsom salts. Like, when you float around in the tank, the Epsom salts, uh ... You know, your- your body absorbs magnesium from that.

Shooter Jennings 8:39 You talking about, like, altered states?

Joe Rogan 8:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shooter Jennings 8:42 Ah.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Have you done that before?

Shooter Jennings 8:43 No.

Joe Rogan 8:43 You've never done it?

Shooter Jennings 8:43 I still haven't done DMT. We had that conversation.

Joe Rogan 8:45 Oh. No, that's right.

Shooter Jennings 8:46 But, uh ... Dude, man.

Joe Rogan 8:46 We haven't had a conversation about ... How the fuck have we only done one other podcast together? That's ridiculous.

Shooter Jennings 8:51 Hey, man. You know? It-

Joe Rogan 8:52 We live in the same town.

Shooter Jennings 8:53 I know. I know. We went ... We had a great dinner. Mr.-

Joe Rogan 8:55 That was fun, man.

Shooter Jennings 8:56 ... my mom.

Joe Rogan 8:57 Yeah, that was really fun. Yeah. I got-

Shooter Jennings 8:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:59 ... the great Mrs. Rogan out.

Shooter Jennings 9:00 Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:01 It was fun. We had a good time.

Shooter Jennings 9:02 Yeah, Dan Tana's-

Joe Rogan 9:03 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 9:03 ... a great throw.

Joe Rogan 9:03 Dude, that place is the shit.

Shooter Jennings 9:04 It is.

Joe Rogan 9:04 A place, like, you go back in time.

Shooter Jennings 9:06 That is my ... That is the spot where if they ... I feel like I've made it in this town if they know me by name there and I can always get a spot at the bar. I'm- I'm close. They know me by name, but I- I don't always have a spot at the bar. I'm getting there.

Joe Rogan 9:17 Yeah, I don't think anybody always gets a spot at the bar there.

Shooter Jennings 9:19 James Woods does if you went.

Joe Rogan 9:20 Yeah. Oh, does he?

Shooter Jennings 9:21 I bet.

Joe Rogan 9:21 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 9:21 He's always there.

Joe Rogan 9:22 He's got a giant dick, I hear.

Shooter Jennings 9:23 (laughs) Sweet, I bet.

Joe Rogan 9:24 That's what I hear.

Shooter Jennings 9:24 Well, it seems like it.

Joe Rogan 9:26 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 9:26 I- I- I finally met him there. I- I had the balls to walk up to him one of the recent times and I was like, "Hey, man."

Joe Rogan 9:32 Yeah, you just gotta walk up with a Hillary Clinton joke.

Shooter Jennings 9:34 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:34 While playing video drone.

Shooter Jennings 9:36 (laughs) He's, uh-

Joe Rogan 9:37 He's a-

Shooter Jennings 9:37 ... he's funny as fuck, that dude.

Joe Rogan 9:38 ... he's a staunch Republican now.

Shooter Jennings 9:40 Yeah, but he's- he's- he's- he's funny. I mean, regardless of what side you're on, he is just always on fire with that. And he- he likes-

Joe Rogan 9:47 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 9:47 ... doing it just to aggravate people.

Joe Rogan 9:49 Yeah, well, he se- ... It seems like he's done with the whole acting thing, right? He seems like he's kinda-

Shooter Jennings 9:54 Yeah, he said he invested in Apple in the '80s and he's fine with being blacklisted.

Joe Rogan 9:57 Really?

Shooter Jennings 9:58 Yeah. That's what he said. He put- made a tweet or something like that where-

Joe Rogan 10:01 Oh, the investment in Apple. Hmm.

Shooter Jennings 10:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Interesting. Yeah. That's, uh ... How weird is that? You could just say, "I think this company's gonna kick some ass. Lemme buy a piece."

Shooter Jennings 10:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Think he would get a piece of a company.

Shooter Jennings 10:13 And then they become the Apple.

Joe Rogan 10:15 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 10:16 He-

Joe Rogan 10:16 Apple apparently has a ... more than a trillion dollars now.

Shooter Jennings 10:19 I know. That- isn't that insane?

Joe Rogan 10:20 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 10:21 That's kinda dangerous, anybody to have that kinda influence though, with these phones and shit. It's like, that's pretty, pretty dangerous.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Yeah. I- I kinda trust them with data though. I feel like-

Shooter Jennings 10:31 Even with their China deal?

Joe Rogan 10:33 Yeah, well, Google has a weird China deal too.

Shooter Jennings 10:36 Well, they-

Joe Rogan 10:36 You know?

Shooter Jennings 10:36 They also have secret servers in- in North Korea and shit too.

Joe Rogan 10:39 (gasps) They have all that stuff?

Shooter Jennings 10:39 Google does? Yeah, well, I mean, they just have servers set up in- in all these other countries. It ... They tell them data's dangerous-

Joe Rogan 10:45 All of them set up in North Korea?

Shooter Jennings 10:45 ... 'cause I don't trust any of them.

Joe Rogan 10:46 What are they doing in North Korea?

Shooter Jennings 10:47 I don't know. There's-

Joe Rogan 10:48 It's all dick pics.

Shooter Jennings 10:49 Yeah, I mean, and-

Joe Rogan 10:50 Servers full of dick pics.

Shooter Jennings 10:51 I think there's all kinds of networks that have been going on for years that ... and are involved in shit. I think ... I- I ... Like, I was ... I- I'd tell my friends, or my drummer spe- uh, specifically I talked to, but I was like, "Man, I think ...... I, like, I'm not a rich guy, but, like, I think that there's a point of money that I would b- I would like to know the threshold in which you get past that, and then, like, the Saudis, and then all the co- all these people start coming and wanting a part of you, and then you start-

Joe Rogan 11:16 Hmm.

Shooter Jennings 11:16 ... selling your soul. Like, whatever that is, if it's five million bucks, I'm just gonna stay right there. That would be-

Joe Rogan 11:20 Right.

Shooter Jennings 11:20 ... I don't wanna get richer than that. And on- once you have influence, I think it's, it becomes a scary world. So I, like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:27 I think there's a lot of concern, like, people w- wonder whether or not someone's be- Like, I've been accused of being approached, like, that I'm a CIA asset or that I, I, th- here's a big one-

Shooter Jennings 11:36 I think that stuff really does happen.

Joe Rogan 11:39 ... the, the big one, the flat Earth.

Shooter Jennings 11:39 Oh.

Joe Rogan 11:39 The Earth people, they think that, uh, I've been approached to talk about, uh, the Earth being round, to be a round Earth shill. Jamie started selling T-shirts.

Shooter Jennings 11:47 A round Earth shill?

Joe Rogan 11:48 Jamie's got round Earth shill T-shirts that he sells at youngjamie.com. (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 11:52 Man, I mean, round Earth shil- shill is like saying, like, you know, that the reptilian people-

Joe Rogan 11:58 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 11:58 ... went to you to be a human shill. I mean, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 12:00 Oh, someone told me that, someone told me that they believe that there's reptilians underneath the Earth and that they have, uh, carved tunnels-

Shooter Jennings 12:06 Underneath the Earth?

Joe Rogan 12:06 They've carved tunnels through the ground with laser beams, and that they have, like, a network of tunnels they use. They, they, they travel amongst us, waiting for their time to expose themselves. People believe, like, you know, you see someone, like, say if you live in an apartment building and you drive by a dude's house, he's got a fat house. You go, "Wow, that guy's got a fat house. I wonder, wonder who he knows. Wonder if he's, like, he's in with the, the mob or maybe he's deep with the Democrats or maybe he's the bankers or who's, who does he, who does he know?"

Shooter Jennings 12:33 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:33 Like, 'cause you always think of, like, someone, like, being, like, at a level where you're, you're, like, they sit you in a room, and they, they give you some communication, so you're not supposed to expose to the rest of the world.

Shooter Jennings 12:45 Right. Well, I mean, there is... Again, what I, what I would say about the threshold of money, there is a point, and you know it's there, in which, in... I mean, Google started with a couple dudes-

Joe Rogan 12:55 Right.

Shooter Jennings 12:55 ... who were like, "We got this idea." There was, before that, there was a thing called WebCrawler. That was kind of the first experience of, of me of a search engine that I'd ever experienced.

Joe Rogan 13:04 Well, there was Netscape Navi- wasn't, wasn't one of those?

Shooter Jennings 13:06 Netscape Navigator-

Joe Rogan 13:07 Netscape Navigator was a, was one of the first browsers.

Shooter Jennings 13:09 It was one of the first browsers. Yeah, there was-

Joe Rogan 13:10 But-

Shooter Jennings 13:10 ... Mosaic! and Netscape Navigator.

Joe Rogan 13:12 But there was a way to search.

Shooter Jennings 13:14 That was WebCrawler-

Guest 13:15 Yahoo!, Lycos, uh-

Joe Rogan 13:15 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 13:15 Well, Yahoo! came later.

Joe Rogan 13:17 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 13:17 Lycos, wh- Yahoo! came later.

Guest 13:19 That's a good step.

Shooter Jennings 13:19 But Yaho- there was WebCrawler, then Yahoo! and Lycos and then Google.

Joe Rogan 13:24 Remember Ask Jeeves?

Shooter Jennings 13:25 Google took over. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:26 I couldn't believe Ask Jeeves was a real thing.

Shooter Jennings 13:28 Ask.com, ask.com's still there.

Joe Rogan 13:29 I think that's still there, yeah.

Shooter Jennings 13:30 Yeah, it's still there. But, uh, but, like, you know, you gotta look. Couple dudes in an office, "Hey, we got a web search."

Joe Rogan 13:37 Right.

Shooter Jennings 13:37 And then all of a sudden, they're, they've got con- I mean-

Joe Rogan 13:40 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 13:40 ... Amazon has CIA contracts. That's, that's known, because they use their servers to do things. You gotta, you gotta look at some point, and get-

Joe Rogan 13:47 Well, Amazon has, like, super, super secure servers.

Shooter Jennings 13:50 R- but they've still been hacked.

Joe Rogan 13:52 But, I mean...

Shooter Jennings 13:52 They're as secure as anyone else's are.

Joe Rogan 13:54 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 13:54 They just have... Y- once you make that, I think it's the, maybe it's 500 million. There's gotta be a mark-

Joe Rogan 14:00 Yeah, there's a number.

Shooter Jennings 14:01 ... in which, in which people start approaching you and saying, "Hey, man, you've got too much influence. Would you like to join our group?"

Joe Rogan 14:07 Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun...

Shooter Jennings 14:07 "And we'll support you, and you'll make a billion."

Joe Rogan 14:09 Ooh, yeah.

Shooter Jennings 14:10 Or double your shit.

Joe Rogan 14:10 Take it to the next level. Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 14:12 Man...

Joe Rogan 14:12 I was in Italy, I just got back, and, uh, we, uh, took a boat from, um, uh, from the Amalfi Coast, took a mo- a- a boat from Amalfi to Capri, which is an island.

Shooter Jennings 14:24 Wow, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:24 Also, it's gorgeous, man. But when you're there, you see the crazy yachts. Like, Steve Jobs has a yacht-

Shooter Jennings 14:31 Wow.

Joe Rogan 14:32 ... that he had built before he died, and now his family owns it, I guess.

Shooter Jennings 14:35 It's like Leo DiCaprio and Bella Hadid and people like that, ever.

Joe Rogan 14:37 His, his yacht looks like an Apple Store.

Shooter Jennings 14:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:41 It's the craziest thing. I mean, we, we drove right by it.

Shooter Jennings 14:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:43 Yachts are weird too, because they're worth, like, 100 million bucks, but you could basically, like, drive up and smack it. Like, no one could stop you. (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 14:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:50 You know? It's, there's, it's weird. I mean, that's how pirates work, right? They can just-

Shooter Jennings 14:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:54 ... hop on top. They throw a grappling hook up, and-

Shooter Jennings 14:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:57 ... they climb on top of your yacht. But-

Shooter Jennings 14:59 Yeah. I love that.

Joe Rogan 14:59 ... we were driving by. He's got-

Shooter Jennings 15:01 You could smack it.

Joe Rogan 15:02 He's got a f- there it is. That's it.

Shooter Jennings 15:04 Wow. (laughs) Look at that.

Joe Rogan 15:05 Dude, it's a floating Apple Store.

Shooter Jennings 15:06 See, I don't want that. I don't wanna have to deal with that and the maintenance-

Joe Rogan 15:10 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 15:10 ... and everything. I'm fine. I'd rather just-

Joe Rogan 15:12 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 15:12 ... just, first class-

Joe Rogan 15:13 Just coin it.

Shooter Jennings 15:14 ... it and, uh, and go to, you know, go on a trip and maybe rent that yacht for, like... if I had the money to do it.

Joe Rogan 15:19 Even renting that yacht would be, like, a half a million dollars a week.

Shooter Jennings 15:22 Oh, fuck that. I'll just get a boat and go up to it right, right away.

Joe Rogan 15:26 Yeah, see, the difference between the experience in a boat that big and an experience in a boat that's, like, a fraction of that size, it's not that different. Like, that's pretty fucking awesome. But ultimately, it's like a hou- like, that's, there, there you get a good impression of what it's like. It's, it does, it doesn't really do it justice in an image, because it's so, so modern, right? Like, uh, when you, when you get near it, it's so strange looking.

Shooter Jennings 15:50 Yeah, I mean, (clears throat) again, it'd be awesome to party on that for, like, a week. But the rest-

Joe Rogan 15:56 Look at that guy's boat there.

Shooter Jennings 15:56 ... the rest of it would suck.

Joe Rogan 15:58 Look at that boat they just pulled right up. Hey, man.

Guest 15:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:00 Yo, Steve.

Shooter Jennings 16:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:01 My fucking iPad's broke.

Shooter Jennings 16:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:03 Dude, my fucking iPad just broke.

Shooter Jennings 16:06 (laughs) I mean, I don't know, man. He built it-

Joe Rogan 16:11 Wake up, Steve.

Shooter Jennings 16:11 Did he ever ride it?

Joe Rogan 16:12 No, he, he shit the bed before he wrote it.

Shooter Jennings 16:15 Oh.

Joe Rogan 16:15 You know what's really fascinating? I read something about he died of pancreatic cancer, and one of the things he did was he drank fruit juice every day. And we used to think that fruit juice is really good for you, right? You're drinking fruit. Now they say, no, no, no. Fruit is really good for you, but drinking fruit juice is kind of an unnatural state. There's no fiber in that, so you're just drinking straight sugar. And now they say that f- drinking, like, a, a glass of fresh-squeezed orange juice has the same sugar as drinking a can of soda. So you really, your body doesn't differentiate much between-

Shooter Jennings 16:47 I mean, between chemicals in soda, though, I mean, there's-

Joe Rogan 16:49 Right. Chemicals are not good.

Shooter Jennings 16:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:51 Some chemicals. But some of them, they're innocuous. Like, you could drink... Like, I was reading something about, like, Diet Coke, like, someone was saying, like, "Diet Coke will give you brain cancer." And, um, there's-

Shooter Jennings 17:02 Now they're saying it, it prevents cancer.... what?

Joe Rogan 17:05 There, there, there was an article I read recently that was saying that they thought that diet colas actually helped, i- they flipped their, uh, script on that cola.

Shooter Jennings 17:13 Did they have a little fast talk at the end of it?

Joe Rogan 17:14 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 17:15 "Sponsored by a Diet Coke company."

Joe Rogan 17:16 Yeah. (laughs) Right.

Shooter Jennings 17:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:18 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 17:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:18 (laughs) This study sponsored by Diet Coke. (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 17:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:20 (laughs) Those fucking- First of all, that fast talk shit should be illegal.

Shooter Jennings 17:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:24 I don't know why that's not illegal. Remember they used to do that at the end of those goddamn commercials?

Shooter Jennings 17:28 Yeah. They still do it. They-

Joe Rogan 17:28 They hire somebody who talks like a carnival barker.

Shooter Jennings 17:31 Just do the whole commercial like that. That'd be awesome, man.

Joe Rogan 17:33 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 17:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:34 Yeah, make it all ineffective.

Shooter Jennings 17:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:36 Here, what is that? Um, "Could Diet Coke help curb colon cancer's return?" What?

Shooter Jennings 17:42 See.

Joe Rogan 17:42 Why Diet Coke? Who fucking ... See, new study shows that colon can- here's the problem, man. Fucking studies, dude. Studies are a problem because y- you can get like ... There was a study posted recently, it was a, a questionnaire that showed that people who eat higher carb diets live longer. But it's, it's basically a questionnaire that over 20 something years of, like, what you eat and then the people who died, like, there was all sorts of problems with it. Like, they didn't exercise as much. They were fatter than the people who ate more carbs. And also, you're asking people to remember what they ate, which is, like, very-

Shooter Jennings 18:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:20 ... very ineffective. And then the same com- the same place put out a study, um, really recently that showed the exact opposite effect. And so it's like, well what the fuck? If I'm just a regular guy who barely has time to read the paper and I read a study every now and then, it's basically like, what'd you catch? You know, you can catch some. "Second analysis found that about half of the benefit appeared to be due to people switching from regular to diet sodas." Oh, so the colon cancer was really just you stopped drinking Coke. Coke was giving you colon cancer. So now Diet Coke-

Shooter Jennings 18:53 So maybe it's campaign.

Joe Rogan 18:53 ... is like, "Diet Coke prevents colon cancer."

Shooter Jennings 18:55 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:56 But it's really, no, Coke gives you fucking colon cancer.

Shooter Jennings 18:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:59 It's so hard to know. It's so hard to know, man. I try to keep up. I cannot. I try.

Shooter Jennings 19:03 Yeah, I know. That's the problem with the internet and everything. Back in the day when we just didn't know shit, it seems like things moved smoother, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:10 Well, yeah, but you remember, like, people thought all kinds of goofy shit, like thought most of your diet should be bread. Remember that food pyramid?

Shooter Jennings 19:15 Marilyn Manson took his rib out.

Joe Rogan 19:17 What? Did he?

Shooter Jennings 19:17 Just so he could suck us on dick. No, but that was- I heard that.

Joe Rogan 19:19 ... that was a rumor back in the day. Those-

Shooter Jennings 19:21 Did he?

Joe Rogan 19:22 No.

Shooter Jennings 19:22 I met him. He might.

Joe Rogan 19:23 No.

Shooter Jennings 19:23 He might.

Joe Rogan 19:23 I didn't do-

Shooter Jennings 19:24 He might actually do that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:25 Um, yeah, that was one. How about, here's the, the granddaddy of all rumors. Richard Gere and that gerbil in his ass.

Shooter Jennings 19:30 And the gerbil in his ass.

Joe Rogan 19:32 Everybody knew that.

Shooter Jennings 19:33 How is that possible? I wanna know how that-

Joe Rogan 19:35 A gerbil up your ass?

Shooter Jennings 19:35 Yeah, how is that possible?

Joe Rogan 19:36 Oh, it's possible.

Shooter Jennings 19:36 How?

Joe Rogan 19:37 My buddy Steve did his residency at, in Miami. He's a ophthalmologist, and he told me that they pulled all kinds of things out of dudes' butts. You know, you know those, uh, kind of thick lighting, uh, those thick, uh, light bulbs that look like a, like a tree? Like a Christmas tree?

Shooter Jennings 19:53 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:53 You know those ones?

Shooter Jennings 19:53 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:54 Some dude shoved one of those up his asshole and it broke.

Shooter Jennings 19:57 (sighs)

Guest 19:57 Did you watch, uh, the Who is America yesterday?

Shooter Jennings 19:59 Yeah. I didn't-

Joe Rogan 19:59 No, I haven't seen a new one.

Guest 20:00 I haven't watched a single episode of it yet.

Shooter Jennings 20:01 Oh, I lo- I love that show by the way.

Guest 20:03 But it looked really great.

Shooter Jennings 20:04 I'll def- You know, there was a lot of, there was a lot of talk about it and I think it was great what he did. I mean, all he did was set up people to, to show the ugly in- Yeah. ... people if, if they had it. But I did not see that episode, but I mean-

Joe Rogan 20:15 He's a genius, man.

Shooter Jennings 20:16 Man, I went ... A real quick story. I was like, uh, there's a band called Hellbound Glory-

Joe Rogan 20:20 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 20:20 ... that I've loved for years. And the lead singer, Leroy Virgil, they, they live in Reno. And so he took me to Reno on the, I'd been to Reno before, but he took me on the Hellbound Glory tour of Reno, uh, which was him going to different bars and shit, and he took me to this guy's house, and it was, it was a friend of his lived down the street, and it was like their garage was open and a bunch of people hanging out playing vinyls. And this dude ... And drinking, you know, and at some point this guy was like, "Hey, I gotta show you something." And he reached into his ceiling light. He had like one of these, but not with the, the, uh, uh, clouds on it. It was just a regular, like, light you pull out. And he had, up in there, he had an x-ray that he pulled out, and it was an x-ray of a woman's vagina with a flying V guitar neck the, the headstock-

Joe Rogan 21:06 (gasps)

Shooter Jennings 21:07 ... in, in it. It was an x-ray of that.

Joe Rogan 21:09 So it got stuck?

Shooter Jennings 21:11 I mean, I don't know how that, I mean, with the fucking tuning pegs-

Joe Rogan 21:14 Oh.

Shooter Jennings 21:14 ... and everything, but it was, it was a-

Joe Rogan 21:16 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 21:17 Yeah. So, you know, you know.

Joe Rogan 21:19 Ah.

Shooter Jennings 21:19 What can you believe these days?

Joe Rogan 21:20 How about coming out?

Shooter Jennings 21:22 Yeah, I mean how can it going in?

Guest 21:24 Ow.

Joe Rogan 21:24 But a woman's vagina is a remarkably flexible thing.

Shooter Jennings 21:27 (sighs) Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 21:28 I mean, they make babies. Babies come out of their bodies.

Shooter Jennings 21:32 Yeah, but I mean, that's a whole hormonal thing. Their body sets up for nine months to let happen. I mean, just sticking a guitar neck in there.

Joe Rogan 21:37 Maybe she really loves music.

Shooter Jennings 21:39 Oh, man. Maybe she really, really, really loves hair metal-

Joe Rogan 21:42 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 21:43 ... and it just went there.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Maybe she's a giant fan of Slayer-

Shooter Jennings 21:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:46 ... and just wants that, wants that guitar in her body. Whoo. But my friend-

Shooter Jennings 21:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:51 ... Steve said he, they pulled all kinds of things out of people's bodies. And, uh, he said he saw ... He, he was in Miami, and he said that it was during the cocaine days. When I met Steve-

Shooter Jennings 22:00 During the cocaine days, like they ended-

Joe Rogan 22:02 Oh yeah. That's-

Shooter Jennings 22:03 ... in Miami.

Joe Rogan 22:03 That's over, bro.

Shooter Jennings 22:04 Yeah, it's over.

Joe Rogan 22:04 That's like so 1980. Uh, (laughs) but he was there during the '80s, uh, '70s and the '80s. That's-

Shooter Jennings 22:11 Wow.

Joe Rogan 22:11 When I met him, (sighs) okay, I was in high school when I met him. Um, so I, I think I was 15 or 16.

Shooter Jennings 22:19 Where'd you go to high school?

Joe Rogan 22:19 Newton South High in, uh, Newton, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston.

Shooter Jennings 22:24 How'd you meet him?

Joe Rogan 22:25 Uh, taekwondo.

Shooter Jennings 22:27 Oh.

Joe Rogan 22:27 He was, uh, he was, uh, doing his residency for ophthalmology and, uh, I was a young high school kid who was competing. And so I was, I was over there every day. So if you came there, you saw me.

Shooter Jennings 22:39 Wow.

Joe Rogan 22:39 And, uh, he, uh, so he was, uh, doing his residency in Boston. He was, uh, he was finishing it up in Boston, but he had done some of his work before that in Miami, so this was ... I graduated in '85, so he was probably in Miami in like '80, '81, somewhere around then. He'd just got back. He showed me all kinds of pictures, dude.

Shooter Jennings 23:01 Wow.

Joe Rogan 23:02 This was back before the internet. I got to see brains, people's brains hanging out. He showed me some photos of-

Shooter Jennings 23:07 I mean, what is he in there-

Joe Rogan 23:07 ... just bullet holes.

Shooter Jennings 23:09 ... with a, with a-... Polaroid or something? Taking pictures.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Good question. I don't know what he used.

Shooter Jennings 23:12 That's kind of-

Joe Rogan 23:12 I don't remember.

Shooter Jennings 23:13 ... dubio- dubious there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:15 Well, the people were dead.

Shooter Jennings 23:17 Oh. (laughs) Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:17 You know, the brains, they were dead.

Shooter Jennings 23:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:19 I didn't get to see, like, the, the light bulb up the asshole. He didn't have pa- ... "Hey, man, stay still. Why are you screaming?"

Shooter Jennings 23:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:26 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 23:26 "Hey, hey, hey."

Joe Rogan 23:26 But, uh-

Shooter Jennings 23:27 "Distract him."

Joe Rogan 23:28 He ... Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 23:28 Somebody just ... pew.

Joe Rogan 23:29 But he legitimately did have some photos of some atrocious things.

Shooter Jennings 23:33 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 23:33 But he said it was just ... To go from being a medical school, school student to doing a residency in Miami and just seeing just crazy amounts of violence. He said it was just insane. Like, have you seen Cocaine Cowboys?

Shooter Jennings 23:49 I have not. I've heard about it.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Oh, my God. Billy Corben, who's been on the-

Shooter Jennings 23:51 Maybe I saw part of it.

Joe Rogan 23:52 ... maybe past four, made two of the most amazing documentaries ever.

Shooter Jennings 23:56 That's about the Blow era-

Joe Rogan 23:58 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 23:59 ... of cocaine. I mean, uh, the movie-

Joe Rogan 24:00 Yes.

Shooter Jennings 24:00 ... Blow and all that. George, what's his name?

Joe Rogan 24:02 Dude.

Shooter Jennings 24:02 George Hong or whatever. Joe Hong.

Joe Rogan 24:03 Well, no, it was o- about Griselda, Griselda Blanco, who is this, uh, badass bitch from Colombia. Was she from Colombia?

Narrator 24:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:11 Bogota, yes. She was from Colombia.

Shooter Jennings 24:12 Oh, that was the Miami shit, wasn't it?

Joe Rogan 24:14 Yes, yes.

Shooter Jennings 24:14 That's right. I think I saw part of that documentary, but I always wanted to watch it. I just never ...

Joe Rogan 24:17 Oh, it's so good. It's ... So he's ge- he's just got two of them, so if you, you do it, you gotta fucking get the double dose.

Shooter Jennings 24:23 What's the other one?

Joe Rogan 24:23 And ... Cocaine Cowboys Two.

Shooter Jennings 24:24 (laughs) oh.

Joe Rogan 24:25 Why fuck around with a crazy-

Shooter Jennings 24:26 All right.

Joe Rogan 24:26 ... hard to remember sequel name?

Shooter Jennings 24:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:30 (laughs) But, uh, Cocaine Cowboys One and Two. Oh my God. Y- ... It's ... Y- ... The, uh, that ... There was one year where everyone who graduated from the police academy either was murdered or went to jail. Every single graduate-

Shooter Jennings 24:44 Wow.

Joe Rogan 24:45 ... was either killed, because they're, they had a par- a part of the cocaine business, or, uh, they went to jail for being corrupt.

Shooter Jennings 24:52 Wow.

Joe Rogan 24:52 All of them. (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 24:54 Wow. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:56 There's more ap- ... I don't know if this is true. P- please Google this. There, there were at least, at the time, more banks per capita in Miami than anywhere else in the country, 'cause it was all used to launder cocaine money.

Shooter Jennings 25:09 Wow.

Joe Rogan 25:09 Yeah, no bullshit, man.

Shooter Jennings 25:10 See, again, man, you get that level of money-

Joe Rogan 25:13 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 25:13 ... and there's ... You start getting banks and stuff. I'm just saying. Just throwing that out there.

Joe Rogan 25:16 Those two documentaries, I c- I can't say enough good things about them. They're so good.

Shooter Jennings 25:19 Sounds exhausting. Not the documentaries, but the actual-

Joe Rogan 25:22 Both.

Shooter Jennings 25:22 ... business of doing it.

Joe Rogan 25:23 Well, that's why you need coke.

Shooter Jennings 25:24 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:25 I mean, you do coke while you're in the business.

Shooter Jennings 25:26 But you're not supposed to get high on your own supply, man.

Joe Rogan 25:27 Well, that's the only way to keep up with the young kids. I mean-

Shooter Jennings 25:30 Yes. If you ask Rick Ross.

Joe Rogan 25:32 Which one? The real one or the, the fake one?

Shooter Jennings 25:34 The real one. No, no, no, no. The rapper one.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Freeway Ricky. No, no. He got-

Shooter Jennings 25:37 No, no. Yeah. The, the real Rick Ross, I know, I know is the Freeway Ricky.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Yeah, that's the one you wanna ask. You don't wanna-

Shooter Jennings 25:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:42 ... ask the rapper.

Shooter Jennings 25:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:43 The rapper was a prison guard. Do you know that?

Shooter Jennings 25:46 Really? No.

Joe Rogan 25:46 Yes. Yes.

Shooter Jennings 25:47 I love him, though.

Joe Rogan 25:47 Well, you ... Uh, the ... Freeway Ricky, who's been on the show a couple of times, sued to get his name back and to, to keep this dude from using his name, because he was actually Rick Ross. That's his actual fucking name.

Shooter Jennings 25:59 I heard this story. I didn't know he was on your show.

Joe Rogan 26:01 Dude, he's been on twice. Rick Ross, Freeway Ricky, was the guy who was selling all the cocaine that paid for the Contras when the Contras were fighting the Sandinistas in Nicaragua and that whole Oliver North shit.

Shooter Jennings 26:15 Of course.

Joe Rogan 26:15 Freeway Ricky was the one who was selling all the coke to these people. He didn't know how he was getting these coke. He didn't know he was actually getting it from-

Shooter Jennings 26:22 CIA, everything.

Joe Rogan 26:22 ... people that were deep, deep state. Deep state, motherf-

Shooter Jennings 26:25 I'm telling you.

Joe Rogan 26:26 I'm telling you too, man.

Shooter Jennings 26:27 Find the threshold and stay under it.

Joe Rogan 26:29 And he learned, he learned how to read in j- ... It's a great story.

Shooter Jennings 26:31 Wow.

Joe Rogan 26:32 Ricky learned how to read in jail and then learned how to become a lawyer in jail, and then realized they tried him for, uh, they did ... They hit him with three strikes, but they hit him with two charges at the same time, which is not how three strikes work. So he went to jail for life and then got released for time-

Shooter Jennings 26:51 Wow.

Joe Rogan 26:51 ... for time served, because they tried him incorrectly.

Shooter Jennings 26:55 Oh, right, so 'cause one of his strikes-

Joe Rogan 26:57 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 26:57 ... was in-

Joe Rogan 26:57 Exactly. One of his strike. They were, they were at the same time. You can't do that. It has to be like you go to jail, you come out, you go to jail again, you come out, you go to jail again. They go, "All right, you're a criminal." And then they keep you in jail. That was the i- idea, which is fucked up, man.

Shooter Jennings 27:10 Dude, what's it like sitting a- across the table from him? I want to know.

Joe Rogan 27:12 He's a very nice guy, very smart guy. He was a tennis player, man. Played tennis in Compton. Yeah. Couldn't fucking read, man. Couldn't read, played tennis in Compton, and was just seeing all these people around him that were making crazy amounts of money.

Shooter Jennings 27:26 Wow.

Joe Rogan 27:26 And is a real calm, nice guy. And that's one of the reasons why he did so well. So he wasn't this crazy buck wild dude driving Rolls-Royces, throwing money out the window. H- he wasn't that guy.

Shooter Jennings 27:38 Wow.

Joe Rogan 27:38 He was like the cool, calm, collected John Wick sort of character that kept his shit together, you know? And everybody respected him because of that.

Shooter Jennings 27:47 Love it.

Joe Rogan 27:47 He just was like ... I mean, the same reason why he learned how to be lawyer while he was in prison. He's a systematic, you know, intelligent dude who just had a shit education, you know?

Shooter Jennings 27:56 Wow.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Just gr- grew up in a very bad, scary, dangerous environment. And, you know, didn't even learn to read until he got in jail.

Shooter Jennings 28:03 And is the Link ... And Link in the history of the Iran-Contra conspiracy and whatever.

Joe Rogan 28:06 Dude, the Link.

Shooter Jennings 28:06 Wow.

Joe Rogan 28:07 The Cocaine Link.

Shooter Jennings 28:08 The Link. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:08 He was the guy that figured out how to sell this shit and-

Shooter Jennings 28:10 Wow.

Joe Rogan 28:11 ... had ... He was selling coke and didn't even know who, who he was selling it for. Didn't know that the people he was selling it for, like, the, the, the contacts that he had were directly supplied by Oliver North people.

Shooter Jennings 28:22 George Bush and ... Yeah. Wow. Interesting, man.

Joe Rogan 28:25 Yeah, man.

Shooter Jennings 28:25 That's wow.

Joe Rogan 28:26 (clears throat) I used to have a Oliver North For President T-shirt. I wore it just to piss people off.

Shooter Jennings 28:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:30 I didn't even know what it meant. I was like 17 or some shit.

Shooter Jennings 28:33 Oh, man. That's funny, dude.

Joe Rogan 28:35 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 28:35 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 28:36 Yeah, man. It's, uh ... The whole thing is crazy that this Rick Ross guy, the rapper, was actually a prison guard. There's a photo of him with his fucking prison guard uniform on.

Shooter Jennings 28:45 Well, I mean, I like him a lot. I like-

Joe Rogan 28:47 Rick Ross the rapper?

Shooter Jennings 28:48 Yeah, I do. I like-

Joe Rogan 28:49 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 28:49 ... the ... (clears throat) that record with Devil Is A Lie-

Joe Rogan 28:51 What's that big song?

Shooter Jennings 28:52 ... on it.

Joe Rogan 28:52 What's the big si- ... The b-

Shooter Jennings 28:52 I don't know the big single. I don't know ... I d- there's gotta be-

Joe Rogan 28:54 He's had one big one that I've sa-

Shooter Jennings 28:56 Well-

Joe Rogan 28:56 ... sang before.

Shooter Jennings 28:57 What's the record with, uh, Devil Is A Lie on it? That was a record that I loved.

Joe Rogan 29:01 ... what's his big hit?

Shooter Jennings 29:02 Me and Manson hang out a lot, and we listen to Rick Ross all the time. That's like one of our-

Joe Rogan 29:06 Really?

Shooter Jennings 29:06 Yeah. That's one of our-

Joe Rogan 29:07 You guys get to sk- get together, do coke, listen to Rick Ross? (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 29:11 I don't know. (laughs) Uh, I mean-

Joe Rogan 29:12 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 29:12 ... I mean, you know-

Joe Rogan 29:13 Well, it's-

Shooter Jennings 29:13 ... if the night's right. (laughs) Uh, no, a bit like, uh, that's, uh, yeah, like, I like the Rick Ross guy. I, I-

Joe Rogan 29:18 Manson was gonna come in, but he wouldn't do it on camera. It was weird. Like, he wouldn't do it after, he, he wanted to do it-

Shooter Jennings 29:23 I bet he'll do it.

Joe Rogan 29:24 ... at a certain time of night. But see, here's the thing, man, some of that shit is publicists, 'cause I'll tell you, the same thing happened with Liz Phair, who I'm a giant fan of.

Shooter Jennings 29:32 100% publicist.

Joe Rogan 29:33 I've been a fan of Liz Phair for ever.

Shooter Jennings 29:35 Me too.

Joe Rogan 29:36 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 29:36 And Exile in Guyville was fucking fantastic, I reckon.

Joe Rogan 29:38 I fucking love her, and sh-

Shooter Jennings 29:39 I bought that record and Evil Empire at the same time at the record store in Nashville, Tennessee, the Rage Against the Machine and Exile in Guyville.

Joe Rogan 29:45 Oh, wow.

Shooter Jennings 29:45 Totally. My wife, also Misty, who we went, you know, with, who was listening, (coughs) she loved Liz Phair too at the time.

Joe Rogan 29:52 She-

Shooter Jennings 29:52 I think.

Joe Rogan 29:52 ... uh, she came and we got high together. She's like, "You can get high here?" I'm like, "Yeah, I don't have a boss."

Shooter Jennings 29:56 Alex Jones got high as fuck on you.

Joe Rogan 29:57 He's f- high as fuck.

Shooter Jennings 29:58 That was fucking awesome.

Joe Rogan 29:59 He's trying to come back on and I just don't know if I could do it.

Shooter Jennings 30:01 Oh, come on, let him come on. They're fucking shutting him down.

Joe Rogan 30:04 It's not that they- they are shutting him down, but the problem is (clears throat) he's still on trial. This, this whole trial that's going on with, uh, Sandy Hook.

Shooter Jennings 30:12 I know.

Joe Rogan 30:12 Like, all that shit has to be resolved first. But it doesn't make sense-

Shooter Jennings 30:15 I get it.

Joe Rogan 30:15 Like, Bill Maher, respect to Bill Maher, he was-

Shooter Jennings 30:18 I love, respect to him for saying he gets to speak too, and I agree too.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Yeah, he was, he was on his show and people were clapping and cheering that he was pulled off of these networks and pulled off of everything. He's like, "Look, this guy said crazy lies about me," this is what Bill Maher said. He said, "The guy said crazy lies about me." He goes, "But he still gets to talk." Like, this is what America's about.

Shooter Jennings 30:35 It is.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Free speech means all speech.

Shooter Jennings 30:38 But see, like, here's what I don't understand.

Joe Rogan 30:39 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 30:39 Like, Alex had me on many times, and he supported my record Black Ribbons when it came out.

Joe Rogan 30:44 Did he really?

Shooter Jennings 30:44 And, and, yeah, he did.

Joe Rogan 30:44 You've been on the Alex Jones Show many times?

Shooter Jennings 30:46 I, I've been, I've been on it three times.

Joe Rogan 30:48 Were you ever sober?

Shooter Jennings 30:49 Yeah, every time.

Joe Rogan 30:50 Really?

Shooter Jennings 30:50 Ev- yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:51 You've never been on a show sober?

Shooter Jennings 30:52 Every time, 'cause I've never, I, it was never a situation-

Joe Rogan 30:54 (coughs)

Shooter Jennings 30:54 Well, the first time, I was, the, uh, we had the Black Ribbons record that I did that has Stephen King on it and stuff. Like, so when that record came out, nobody would support the record. So Alex Jones came-

Joe Rogan 31:03 Stephen King's on your record?

Shooter Jennings 31:04 Yeah, o- o- older record from way back.

Joe Rogan 31:06 What did he do? Like, voiceover the show?

Shooter Jennings 31:07 He's in, he plays, he plays a DJ, a radio talk show host that comes in and out of the record, um, probably-

Joe Rogan 31:14 That's Stephen King?

Shooter Jennings 31:15 Yeah. That's Stephen King. So, like-

Joe Rogan 31:18 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 31:18 ... when I did that record, Alex Jones was the only person that would support the record. He put it, he, he debuted the whole record on his show, and then I went, it was on for two hours by phone, and then I went in and was on his show in person, uh, about just the music business. That's all we were talking about, and like kind of how things were. And then later, I was on for Bitcoin discussion, kind of, um, i- by Skype or something. But I will say this, in his defense, in all of this. I just think that, like, dude, that guy has been saying things, conspiracy theories, about all kinds of things, wha- whether you wanna call them that or not, but like, forever. And like now, the, the, the situation is like so, uh, volatile that like, they're gonna, you know, the Sandy Hook thing. All right, so like, they definitely caught fucking Anderson Cooper having the green screen and talk... It's probably because they had another person there talking to the mom. And then they, they-

Joe Rogan 32:13 Wait, what happened? What is this?

Shooter Jennings 32:15 Well, there's, there's a video of Anderson Cooper interviewing one of the moms from Sandy Hook.

Joe Rogan 32:19 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 32:19 And he, he walked, he leans a little too far forward and his nose disappears. And it's probably because they had a stand-in reporter talking to the mom. And-

Joe Rogan 32:29 What?

Shooter Jennings 32:29 ... A- Anderson Cooper was then like, uh, put in via, you know, whatever green screen, and like, he kind of like-

Joe Rogan 32:36 Okay, I need to see this.

Shooter Jennings 32:37 That, it is there. I mean, I know this is, we're, we're propelling... But my point is, is like, and I'm not, I mean, Sandy Hook, I remember where I was when I heard about Sandy Hook. And it was horrific, and I don't believe for a second that there's like, it's all fake or anything like that. But like, Alex's thing has always been that. I remember watching him go to Bohemian Grove. And when we did the fucking record, uh, this is back when nobody was paying attention to him, it was just a certain small group.

Joe Rogan 33:02 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 33:02 But I remember we did the Black Ribbons record and we took a clip of the laughing for, he went, he snuck into Bohemian Grove-

Joe Rogan 33:09 Yep.

Shooter Jennings 33:09 ... and filmed the ceremony. And there's like a scene where they, uh, or not a scene, I guess scene in his film, but there's a part of that where they're doing the ceremony and they have this like, it's like Disneyland when you go watch-

Joe Rogan 33:21 Molech the Owl God.

Shooter Jennings 33:22 Yeah, yeah, but it's like, it's done in a way where it's like Disneyland when you watch like the, the fairies fly around the castle. Like, there was a whole thing where there was like a laugh that happens at the end of the Molech thing or whatever.

Joe Rogan 33:36 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 33:36 Or the big owl and the, and the, the funeral parlor and all that.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Guys dressed like druids.

Shooter Jennings 33:40 Right. So like, I used a part of that. But I remember watching that documentary and he, you know, his deal has always been so over the top where like you go, he, he's like, "Where are the s-" He'd like go to the local people n- near Bohemian Grove, he's like, "We're looking for where the Satanists go to go do their thing."

Joe Rogan 33:55 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 33:55 You know, and it's obviously, at this point, it's not like people who are knowingly Satanists. It's like really old fat rich guys that go there, and there's probably hookers and all kinds of shit, because that's what happens at big r- rich things.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Especially in the '90s.

Shooter Jennings 34:09 I mean, so-

Joe Rogan 34:09 You could get away with it.

Shooter Jennings 34:10 Yeah, right. And so like now, with all this, and they're crucifying him, especially pointing, especially the Megyn Kelly thing. And I just feel bad for him, because-

Joe Rogan 34:18 What do you mean, especially the Megyn Kelly thing? What do you mean?

Shooter Jennings 34:19 ... 'cause, 'cause that was clearly a hit piece with Alex, because like, they, she buddied up to him, and then, then focused that piece on the Sandy Hook thing. You know, they had their talk, which-

Joe Rogan 34:31 Wait, but in her defense, how could she not?

Shooter Jennings 34:34 Of course, of course.

Joe Rogan 34:35 She's gotta, if you're gonna interview Alex Jones.

Shooter Jennings 34:38 But if you're g- if I was gonna come... But if I came here, with the, with the intention of like just talking to you, and then all of a sudden you were like, "Hey, on this day, on this thing, when you did this thing," like you focused on this one thing.

Joe Rogan 34:49 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 34:49 And I would be like, "Oh man," like, "This is a hit piece." Like-

Joe Rogan 34:52 Yeah, but that you're a musician, and he's, this is what he does.

Shooter Jennings 34:55 I, I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Alex is my friend. He's a, he's been my friend-

Shooter Jennings 34:58 No, I know.

Joe Rogan 34:58 ... since 1999. I get more shit from being friends with Alex Jones than anything else-

Shooter Jennings 35:03 Fuck those people.

Joe Rogan 35:04 ... in my life.

Shooter Jennings 35:04 Because Alex Jones a- a- uh, you know what? I'm just saying, like, I'm sure I'll get hit for this. But th- the point is, is-

Joe Rogan 35:10 You will.

Shooter Jennings 35:10 The point is-

Joe Rogan 35:11 Get on my, check your Twitter.

Shooter Jennings 35:11 ... I'm ready for it. I don't-

Joe Rogan 35:13 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 35:13 I don't want, you know what? I don't have time to check it.

Joe Rogan 35:15 Good for you.

Shooter Jennings 35:15 Maybe next year. But like, um, but th- the reality is, is I just think that-A- and I'm not even here from, like, the- the side of the- the- the political s- point of view. Is this it?

Joe Rogan 35:25 Let's watch this video.

Shooter Jennings 35:26 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:26 This is the video. It says-

Shooter Jennings 35:27 Disappearing nose.

Joe Rogan 35:27 ... HD quality, Anderson Cooper's-

Shooter Jennings 35:30 Disappearing nose.

Joe Rogan 35:31 ... disappearing nose green screen clip.

Shooter Jennings 35:32 And- an- but-

Joe Rogan 35:32 Debunked. Do you see that?

Shooter Jennings 35:33 And I-

Joe Rogan 35:33 Hold on. Do you see what it says?

Shooter Jennings 35:34 Debunk.

Joe Rogan 35:34 It says, "Debunked."

Guest 35:36 Yeah, this- this explains-

Joe Rogan 35:36 Which means-

Guest 35:36 ... that it happens, uh, through back and forth video.

Shooter Jennings 35:38 I think they had another person there.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Hold on, let him talk. Hold on, let him talk.

Guest 35:41 Sorry.

Joe Rogan 35:41 What?

Guest 35:41 There's a bad quality video right here. (clears throat) It'll play about three seconds in. There's a i- there's a weird part on his nose that happens, but to say that it's a green screen, I would dis- I would disagree about place.

Joe Rogan 35:49 Well, these same, the same people that are looking for conspiracies and everything, they used this to say that the space station didn't exist.

Shooter Jennings 35:55 Right, but-

Joe Rogan 35:56 Hold on.

Guest 35:56 It's like right around right there.

Shooter Jennings 35:58 Hold on.

Guest 35:58 Some- And you can't even really see it. Something really happens to his nose-

Joe Rogan 36:01 What?

Guest 36:01 ... super quick that looks like it was a, it was just like a digital glitch.

Joe Rogan 36:05 That's it?

Shooter Jennings 36:07 No. That's not it.

Guest 36:08 This is what this-

Shooter Jennings 36:09 That's not the piece.

Guest 36:09 ... thing said. I couldn't find it anywhere else.

Joe Rogan 36:11 You've seen the other piece?

Shooter Jennings 36:12 Yeah. I mean, he leans forward, his nose ... Look, h- here's what I think. I think that they had a stand-in because he couldn't be there.

Joe Rogan 36:18 But hold on. You might be wrong, right?

Shooter Jennings 36:20 I could be wrong.

Joe Rogan 36:20 This is, we're talking about several years ago.

Guest 36:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:22 You might have a fucked up memory of this. Let's try to find the video.

Guest 36:25 Well, they said he was there all week-

Shooter Jennings 36:27 (clears throat)

Guest 36:27 ... shooting from the exact same location.

Joe Rogan 36:28 Okay. Okay.

Shooter Jennings 36:28 Maybe he was. Maybe I'm wrong.

Joe Rogan 36:30 See?

Shooter Jennings 36:30 But I mean-

Joe Rogan 36:30 They got you. They got to you, Shooter Jennings.

Shooter Jennings 36:33 M- They didn't get to me.

Joe Rogan 36:34 They got to you, bro.

Shooter Jennings 36:34 The point is, is like I would say the same thing if I saw it.

Guest 36:37 I'd still think you're weird.

Joe Rogan 36:37 You know when you make more than $100,000 a year, a dude knocks on your door and starts talking to you about conspiracies. (laughs)

Guest 36:41 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 36:41 $100,000, no way. Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 36:44 Well, if you're making $34,000 a year, you look at people that make 100,000 like, "Damn."

Shooter Jennings 36:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:48 "I could pay all my fucking bills."

Shooter Jennings 36:50 How do you-

Joe Rogan 36:50 How do you get to that $100,000 level? Well, you gotta sell out, son.

Shooter Jennings 36:53 Yeah, but that's-

Joe Rogan 36:54 That's how people look at it, man.

Shooter Jennings 36:56 But- but there is a threshold. There is a threshold. There-

Joe Rogan 36:58 I remember when I was broke, I had an ... I had a Suburban. I wasn't broke, but I was, I was doing all right. But I had a Suburban, and some guy and I got into a fucking road rage situation on the highway. And he goes, "You fucking rich asshole." I go, "Rich?" I'm like, "I'm driving a fucking Suburban, man."

Shooter Jennings 37:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:14 (laughs) Like, what is rich to you? Rich is driving a Suburban?

Shooter Jennings 37:20 Uh, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 37:20 Like, what the fuck, man?

Shooter Jennings 37:22 I have, like, I already had the rich thing because people thought that I was rich 'cause of my dad, which I never really w- I never was. I mean, he was supportive of me, but once I got here, it was, uh, I was kinda on my own and I liked that. But then, then once I talked about Bitcoin with you like fucking five years ago or whenever it was I was here, three years ago, everybody's like, "Oh, you gotta be rich now 'cause that-" I'm like, "F- I'm fucking not rich."

Joe Rogan 37:42 From Bitcoin?

Shooter Jennings 37:43 Yeah, but I mean, look, all I-

Joe Rogan 37:44 What's, uh, Bitcoin up to, like, seven grand now?

Shooter Jennings 37:46 It, yeah, it went up to 19 for a second.

Joe Rogan 37:48 It's going down. Keep going down.

Shooter Jennings 37:49 It's six ... It hadn't dropped very much below six grand. But I mean, when I was here with you, it was like less than a grand. But, um, you know, uh, what I'm trying to say about this is not, like I'm not validating his, th- this Anderson Cooper thing. But that dude has always been fishing for things like that.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Right.

Shooter Jennings 38:07 And it's always been his gig. And- and it, it's been his gig from Columbine, it's been his gig from all of this. And I understand the, the passion and the emotion involved with the children that, that died in Sandy Hook. And I have no ... I'm not defending him on that deal. But at the same time, that's always been this guy's gig.

Joe Rogan 38:25 I feel like that is where he legitimately fucked up.

Shooter Jennings 38:28 I don't think it's-

Joe Rogan 38:29 If you take-

Shooter Jennings 38:29 So I don't ... So, so-

Joe Rogan 38:30 If you take away-

Shooter Jennings 38:31 I gotta defend him.

Joe Rogan 38:32 Okay, but, but hold on a second.

Shooter Jennings 38:33 I just gotta say it's okay for him to fucking fuck up.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Yeah, but this is a silly fuck up. He's saying that for sure it was a fake.

Shooter Jennings 38:40 But did he say, "For sure it's a fake."

Joe Rogan 38:41 Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. People sent me the clip. They sent me the clip of him saying that it was 100% fake. He thought it was fake, so he said it. But-

Shooter Jennings 38:49 He thought it was fake?

Joe Rogan 38:50 Yeah, he thought it was a, he thought it was a false flag, so he said it.

Shooter Jennings 38:53 I mean, that's part of the thing-

Joe Rogan 38:55 But that's part of the cons-

Shooter Jennings 38:56 ... George.

Joe Rogan 38:56 Hold on. That's a part of the conspiratorial thinking that's a real problem, is like saying you know. He said some shit about me. He said some- some shit about me that's 100% not true. He said that-

Shooter Jennings 39:06 Pre or post your interview with him?

Joe Rogan 39:08 Pr- I don't remember. I think it was post. It was post. He said that the government threatened my family to stop talking about conspiracy theories. No, no. Nobody threatened my family. No one. Zero. Never happened. Did not happen. It is fake. It is a lie. Someone told it to him, I guess, or he says someone told it to him. It didn't happen.

Guest 39:30 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:30 There's ... So, that's me.

Shooter Jennings 39:33 I understand, but-

Joe Rogan 39:34 But do you understand, like how frustrating that is?

Guest 39:36 He's, he's crossing the n-

Joe Rogan 39:36 This is a minor thing. Someone, him lying, not lying. Okay. Someone, he says someone told him. I believe he's telling the truth. But it's not true. He could've fucking called me. He's got my number, man.

Shooter Jennings 39:49 Okay.

Joe Rogan 39:49 Call me.

Shooter Jennings 39:49 I never see that.

Joe Rogan 39:50 So he didn't even bother calling me. "Joe, I'm about to go live from Austin, Texas. I need to know, did, uh, someone threaten your family to stop talking about the moon landing and Bigfoot?"

Shooter Jennings 39:59 (laughs) Sturgeon City had that down.

Joe Rogan 40:00 See, imagine. Do you fucking imagine they're gonna threaten you that you gotta stop talking about Bigfoot, man? Like-

Shooter Jennings 40:06 Well-

Joe Rogan 40:07 No. I- I f- I did a show. This is a well-documented, I've talked about it 100 times in the podcast. I did a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. And during that show, over a period of six months, I fucking questioned a lot of shit legitimately. But I did it with researchers. We had a staff. We had producers. We went and we- we actually went to, like, these places where these people are- are claiming to see UFOs. We went to these places where people are claiming to be able to, um ... What is that shit they do? Remote viewing. Remote viewing.

Shooter Jennings 40:42 Oh, yeah. Joe Scobee: Minis, Guns, Goats. Great movie.

Joe Rogan 40:44 We talked to those guys. We talked to all these people and I found a real th- a clear thread through all of it that I documented in my 2014 Comedy Central special, where I said, "Here's what you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot. Black people." What you do find is unfuckable white dudes.

Shooter Jennings 41:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:02 You are more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people out looking for Bigfoot.

Shooter Jennings 41:08 Also alien abductions probably can be the same thing.

Joe Rogan 41:09 It's dudes who can't get laid and they go looking for hidden mysteries.

Shooter Jennings 41:13 All right.

Joe Rogan 41:13 I mean, this is a real big part of it.

Shooter Jennings 41:15 I know. I know.

Joe Rogan 41:16 But my point is, from doing that show, it- it soured me off conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories were fun for me.... and me and my, and especially Eddie Bravo. Me and Eddie Bravo would get high and we'd watch documentaries on flying rods and all these UFO documentaries and all the, the, the, the fucking Zecharia Sitchin shit.

Shooter Jennings 41:35 Oh, I love it. Oh, I love that stuff, man.

Joe Rogan 41:37 I love that stuff. But here's the thing-

Shooter Jennings 41:38 My dad and I used to watch, uh, uh, Chariots of the Gods all the time together.

Joe Rogan 41:41 It all falls apart under scrutiny, it, all of it. All of it does.

Shooter Jennings 41:45 Yeah. I know.

Joe Rogan 41:45 All of it does.

Shooter Jennings 41:45 But look-

Joe Rogan 41:45 It's fun, but it falls apart if you're being a serious person and if you're really being honest about what you actually know. This is the problem. It's like the sa- and the parallels, like, the comparison, comparing to Alex Jones saying that my family was threatened, it's the same thing. My family was never threatened. No one ever threatened me. So, but he's saying this on the radio. Why is he saying it? Because someone told him, and he, maybe he believes it, and he also thinks it's fun to say. It's the thing to say if you're really into conspiracies. But this is the problem with these fucking conspiracies. They say things they don't know are true, and they say them like they're true. Now, this is fine if you're just talking-

Shooter Jennings 42:21 But why is that an issue?

Joe Rogan 42:21 Hold on. It's fine if you're tal- it's not an issue if you're talking about the Illuminati. If you're talking about your kid getting shot-

Shooter Jennings 42:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:27 ... if your kid's dead, and someone says, "Hey man, this fucking-"

Shooter Jennings 42:31 It didn't happen.

Joe Rogan 42:31 "... Tom Smith on the radio is saying you're full of shit, you're a crisis actor, and your kid's not dead." I mean, you're crying every night. You wake up in the middle of the night crying because some fucking guy on Phil-

Shooter Jennings 42:41 Well, I'm not defending that obviously.

Joe Rogan 42:41 But you are a little bit.

Shooter Jennings 42:43 No, I'm just defending his right-

Joe Rogan 42:44 Because this is, this is-

Shooter Jennings 42:44 ... to be Alex Jones.

Joe Rogan 42:45 Yes.

Shooter Jennings 42:45 That's all I'm defending.

Joe Rogan 42:46 I, and I defend that as well.

Shooter Jennings 42:47 And I defend David-

Joe Rogan 42:47 And I'm with Bill Maher on that.

Shooter Jennings 42:48 ... Allen Coe for being David Allen Coe. One time I played his-

Joe Rogan 42:50 What did David Allen Coe do?

Shooter Jennings 42:51 Well, I played a show with David Allen Coe one, th- this is not any, like, let's get Sandy Hook out of this, because I'm not trying-

Joe Rogan 42:57 Okay, right.

Shooter Jennings 42:57 ... to talk about this like this.

Joe Rogan 42:58 Let's, let's make some distance.

Shooter Jennings 42:58 But I'm defending the right of people to be who they are. And I love David Allen Coe's music and all that. But I played a show with David Allen Coe one time, and my dad always would tell me these things about him, you know? He, he really, he liked David and everything, but there was always kind of a little distance of like, there was a showmanship part of him. And there, like, a good example of this, again, distancing from Sandy Hook, but a, a good part of it was that when, when David Allen Coe, we did a show with him one time, my mom was over on the side of the stage with me. I was opening for him. This is many years ago before I even had a first record out or anything. Um, and David Allen Coe did a sh- you know, we did our song, our set, and then he played, and he was on stage. And he performed a song my mom wrote called S- Storms Never Last. So my mom's over on the side of the stage and we're talking, me and my mom are watching it and he's singing it with his wife and stuff. The next night, I'm opening up for him and he goes on stage and he goes, "Last night, Jessi Colter was right in the front row when I sang this song with my wife, and she was crying." And like, I'm sitting there going, "I was here and she was not crying. She was standing next to me." Jessi Colter's your mom? She was not on the front row. Right, right. My mom, Jessi Colter wrote this song, Storms Never Last, he's singing. And, and that's his character, that's who he is. All I'm saying here with, like, I'm as forgiving about him lying to the audience because that is what he's doing at the moment. It, it's his, I could sit there and go, "You know what? You're lying. I'm gonna take you in the back and we're gonna talk. I'm gonna tell this audience tomorrow night he's a liar, he's a piece of shit, fuck him." And I'm not gonna do that because it's David Allen Coe, he's doing his thing.

Joe Rogan 44:39 But you just did it on the show which is a-

Shooter Jennings 44:40 I'm not.

Joe Rogan 44:41 ... much larger audience.

Shooter Jennings 44:42 Oh, right, right.

Joe Rogan 44:43 This is hitting millions and millions of people.

Shooter Jennings 44:45 But I'm not calling him a piece of shit.

Joe Rogan 44:46 (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 44:46 I'm just saying I could do that.

Joe Rogan 44:47 You're d- you're in character.

Shooter Jennings 44:48 But why would I do that-

Joe Rogan 44:49 Right.

Shooter Jennings 44:49 ... to him because it's like, you know?

Joe Rogan 44:51 It's part of his shtick.

Shooter Jennings 44:52 And so I, I just feel like, look, man. The times that I met Alex, the times I've been around him, yeah, man. His gig is this.

Joe Rogan 44:58 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 44:58 And he got called out for a specific thing. Yes, it involved the lives of children and everything like that. I understand that. I'm not, I'm not at all sympathizing for the, those family or for him versus-

Joe Rogan 45:09 Right.

Shooter Jennings 45:09 ... those families. But I'm just saying, I just think that like, at the moment, everything is so hot with this. And it's, and it, it's kind of exhausting and it's, the internet is the reason for it, uh, in, uh, in my opinion because I think that like, all the years that have come along, the mass amount of people that have migrated to social media, the way that the integrated conversations happen, the way that that stuff ends up on the news now. Like AOL chat rooms in fucking 1998, that shit did not end up on CNN. People were not listening to those thing- the, the, the best you could get-

Joe Rogan 45:41 Thank God.

Shooter Jennings 45:41 ... the closest you could get to fucking TV was To Catch a Predator when, when you were on that-

Joe Rogan 45:46 Right.

Shooter Jennings 45:46 ... at that time, you know? And I feel like at this point in time, people need, again, not those families. Their lawsuit, that's fine. Uh, that's, that's their thing. But, but I just feel like people need to lighten up a little bit in the sense of, um, I just think that the social media thing is very hazardous. And I think that people's faith in all of it, it doesn't have to do with, with fake news and it doesn't have to do with Russian bots and all this shit. I just think that like, Alex Jones is a casualty because he's always been that guy.

Joe Rogan 46:18 What do you, what do you mean by it doesn't m- have to do with fake news and Russian bots?

Shooter Jennings 46:21 I, I mean that like-

Joe Rogan 46:22 But do you, do you-

Shooter Jennings 46:22 ... 'cause there's always excuses for all the reasons why people believe.

Joe Rogan 46:24 Right. But you, you do understand that's real, right?

Shooter Jennings 46:27 I believe that, of course fake news is real. Of course-

Joe Rogan 46:30 But no, no. Russian bots are real.

Shooter Jennings 46:31 I mean, on-

Joe Rogan 46:33 They make, they, there's like, there's tr- there's a- an NPR document... No, no, no.

Shooter Jennings 46:36 I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 46:36 A Radiolab podcast about, um, Russian troll farms. It's fucking fascinating. It's really interesting.

Shooter Jennings 46:42 I mean-

Joe Rogan 46:42 Where these people show up at work and their, their basic job is to put propaganda out on Instagram and social media and Twitter and comments and-

Shooter Jennings 46:53 I agree.

Joe Rogan 46:53 ... all that stuff.

Shooter Jennings 46:54 I agree. But, but let's, let's get out of the, let me, let me tell you an example, uh, what I, what I have seen of this. I run a bulletin board system called Bit Sunrise, which is like old technology that used to be modems used to dial into bulletin board systems. You can Telnet into it. Telnet is a port, port 23 is the Telnet port. Well, DVRs also share port 23. So-

Joe Rogan 47:19 DVRs like, uh-

Shooter Jennings 47:20 DVRs like your, your DVR-

Joe Rogan 47:21 ... your DirecTV where you're-

Shooter Jennings 47:22 ... that is connected to-

Joe Rogan 47:23 ... storing your foot-

Shooter Jennings 47:24 ... not all, not all... Yeah, where you, w-

Joe Rogan 47:25 Where you, like, if you, if you record a show on a weekly basis-

Shooter Jennings 47:28 It is on, there, there is an open port. It's not always 23 on the units, but it's shared with, with the Telnet port. So during the election, during the months up to the election and the months after the election, I would say four months, five months leading up, five months after, on my bulletin... This is kind of technical when I, what I'm trying to explain this to you, but, uh, um, when you, when you Telnet into a computer you... (sniffs) You could, for mine, you would Telnet in and it would give you a login, you, it has a picture that's drawn and you, you put your name and your, your address, or your password in and you log in. Well, during the five months leading up to the election and the five months afterwards I was getting, every day, probably all day long, 10 or 20 connections that were coming in and they were just, uh, uh, I wouldn't say a bot. They were like... They were scripts that were trying to log into DVRs and trying to log into, um, like, IP cameras that you can control and everything like that. So I was watching for, for that, about a year period, and like-

Joe Rogan 48:33 So, wait. Ho- let me pause you here. So you're saying that these bots were trying to control DVRs and cameras that people have on their televisions?

Shooter Jennings 48:40 They were just, they were just testing. And 90% of them were coming from China, 10% of them were coming from maybe Russia and other places. But 90% China, Korea, 'cause you can look at the IP addresses in the logs.

Joe Rogan 48:51 So what are they testing for? They're testing for flaws in the system?

Shooter Jennings 48:53 All they're, all they're trying to do is, (clears throat) they would try, they would be looking for a Linux login, which would be like, um, you know, login... Like an- like if you were to Telnet or SSH into a device like that, the first thing it would get was a login. And usually it's root is the controller. And so they were just trying to find, they were just-

Joe Rogan 49:13 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 49:13 ... just blindly, mass blindly going to IP addresses and trying to hack into them root, and then they'd try a password, then they'd try, like, this, they'd try that, they'd try the bla- you know? So the Russian bot thing, I understand that, but I don't think it was a coordinated effort. I think that, like, all... During that whole time I was watching my computer. Like, I have... It's kind of... I'm, I'm getting real nerdy here, but it's like I have these games that, like, in, that people play. And, like, once you get past the 13th, 14th, 15th node, which me- es- essentially means, like, once there's 15 people playing at the same time, then the game stopped working. So I would be having to deal with these Chinese and Russia thing, uh, Russian and all these, all of them, just mass trying to just break in. And it was because of the DVRs and because of the IP cameras. Like, they were really literally trying to hack your system to just do whatever. I don't know what the purpose was, but, like, I watched it and it was, it was China mostly. I mean, Russia was a small amount. And I think that all those countries, all the time, are, are, have people that are constantly trying to, uh, hack and interact with these, uh, with our shit.

Joe Rogan 50:22 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 50:22 I mean, it's just a thing. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 50:23 Well, there's that as well. There's that as well.

Shooter Jennings 50:25 Yeah. But I think it's part of it.

Joe Rogan 50:27 But there's... Hold on. There's that as well.

Shooter Jennings 50:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:28 But there's also people that are absolutely trying to influence elections, they're absolutely trying to influence our system, and they're, they're trying to manipulate political parties, and they're trying to start dissent. And this is one of the things that's really fascinating about this, uh, Radiolab podcast where they talk about how these Russian troll farms literally set up protests. They hired people to pretend to be Donald Trump, and they hired people to pretend to be Hillary and put her in a cage and have people chant, "Lock her up." Like, th- this is all manufactured dissent and manufactured outrage that they're, they're strategically promoting.

Shooter Jennings 51:03 I mean, that's, that... Fascinating to me.

Joe Rogan 51:05 But here you gotta think. Pause for a second. You gotta think. Russia is... We... You're talking about a giant place. Okay?

Shooter Jennings 51:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:12 So to pretend that what's happening with these people hacking into DVRs and web cameras is all that's happening.

Shooter Jennings 51:19 No, I'm not saying that.

Joe Rogan 51:21 Well, there's some-

Shooter Jennings 51:21 I'm just saying that I'm just saying-

Joe Rogan 51:21 But you're saying what you're exposed to-

Shooter Jennings 51:22 ... I've witnessed that.

Joe Rogan 51:23 You witnessed a small example of what happens when people are exploiting vulnerabilities in systems. But that doesn't mean that's the only thing that's going on. There's a lot-

Shooter Jennings 51:32 No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm not.

Joe Rogan 51:33 I know you're not, but I wanna clarify. There's a lot of things that are going on. There's a lot of things that are going on because people are dealing with these new technology and these new systems.

Shooter Jennings 51:42 But what do you think happened there? Like, what do you th-

Joe Rogan 51:42 In which way?

Shooter Jennings 51:43 Well, with the, the Russian hacking election thing. Like, and I don't like to get political 'cause I don't really fucking give a shit at the end of the day.

Joe Rogan 51:48 You don't have to get political. Look at it objectively.

Shooter Jennings 51:50 No, no, 100%.

Joe Rogan 51:50 Look at it like a system. Like look, look at it like this. Look at it like you have a body, okay? And your body has an immune system.

Shooter Jennings 51:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:57 And your body's immune system-

Shooter Jennings 51:58 There's a virus.

Joe Rogan 51:59 ... is constantly under threat of all sorts of different things. You, you fucking touch a doorknob, you wipe your nose, there's a lot of shit going on, right?

Shooter Jennings 52:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:06 This is very similar, if you just looked at it objectively, to what happens whenever you have a server on the internet. When you, when you, when you sh- hear about the Republican Party getting hacked into or, you know, different people's emails getting exploited by, uh, uh, you know, someone from outside that's a hacker, what is that? Well, that's... They're trying to find a way through the system. It's this natural thing. If you put up a wall, people go, "Hmm, how do I get past that wall?" You know, if you make $34,000 a year and a guy makes a million dollars, "Oh, what does that guy know?" There's a, it's, this is a natural thing that happens.

Shooter Jennings 52:38 But yeah, that's... But h- how is this any different... Like, I guess what I'm trying to ask about this, it's like when I was watching that happen with my system, it's like how is this any different than what has gone on for the last, uh, 100 years when it comes-

Joe Rogan 52:53 Because it's new. Okay, because it's new.

Shooter Jennings 52:54 Or was it-

Joe Rogan 52:54 Because no one has been able to get into your-

Shooter Jennings 52:56 ... been discovered decades ago already?

Joe Rogan 52:56 No, no, no. It's new. No one has been able to get into your folders before. No one's been able to get... No, no one kid sitting in Czechoslovakia who has a computer has been able to figure out how to turn your webcam on and watch you beat off. This is a new thing.

Shooter Jennings 53:10 But we didn't have a webcam to beat off into before.

Joe Rogan 53:12 It doesn't matter. But you understand what I'm saying?

Shooter Jennings 53:14 Yeah, I do.

Joe Rogan 53:14 This is a new thing. This is a new thing. So because it's a new thing-

Shooter Jennings 53:17 But it's human nature. I feel like for some reason-

Joe Rogan 53:18 But it is human nature.

Shooter Jennings 53:18 ... it's the exact same thing. I think and feel like it's-

Joe Rogan 53:20 It is human nature, but, b- I don't understand what your point is.

Shooter Jennings 53:24 Well, I guess what I'm asking here is, is, uh...... is in, in the way of the... I just feel like the Russian bot thing is, was... All of that, I feel like the Russian bots is, is a, is a term for people who don't understand computers in a way, and they've, they've just kind of thrown that out there as a political device.

Joe Rogan 53:43 Sometimes.

Shooter Jennings 53:43 I think, I think that Russia, China, Korea, like, every other fucking country that is enabled in a way in which they're so far ahead technologically was involved in all kinds of fuck- fuckery, and they're still involved in it-

Joe Rogan 53:58 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 53:58 ... and will still do that. During the election, it was fucking a hundred times.

Joe Rogan 54:02 For sure.

Shooter Jennings 54:03 But, uh, you know, I'm just, I just... It's hard for me, w- you know, back circling around to the Alex Jones thing, all of this new technology, all of the, the people who are awake, w- woke on Facebook.

Joe Rogan 54:16 Woke. You gotta say wake.

Shooter Jennings 54:17 They're woke on Facebook.

Joe Rogan 54:18 You can't say awake. If you're wake, they know you're an agent.

Shooter Jennings 54:19 Yeah, you're woke on Facebook.

Joe Rogan 54:20 I'm so wake. (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 54:21 You know? It's like, uh, I felt bad for fucking Childish Gambino that he had a song that had "stay woke" in it, because immediately that song... That, that was... What an amazing song, and, and it was, uh, it was, uh, that, that term became dumb immediately. But I, but I just feel like, um, all of this that's happening, all of this talk, all of the, him getting banned, all of this stuff, it's all this kind of, like, effect of the world. Instead of being out in the world, everyone has, has, has gone to this point where it's, you know, these groups, these really rich groups, Google and Facebook and Twitter and all this, and everyone has, has gone to this central point and now they're lynching people. Uh, whether or not you agree with Alex Jones, whether or not you like him, whether or not you think they're... He's being lynched in this situation.

Joe Rogan 55:10 I lost you right there. I lost you right there.

Shooter Jennings 55:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:11 So I get, I get that there's all these people that are doing all these different nefarious things, and this has been going on forever, and now they're using new systems to do that.

Shooter Jennings 55:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:20 They're using the internet and all these open pipes and these connections that they can make to you, and-

Shooter Jennings 55:23 But the trick is that the public is there. They've gotten them to go to this one arena.

Joe Rogan 55:27 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 55:28 That is my problem with it, is, like, as much of a nerd and a technology person I am, I, like, I hate that people have... Instead of really... I mean, I mean, I'm sure they have their own lives, but, like, the fact that we have become so centralized to these small groups of internet companies, like social media and things. A- and then now, it... Look, it's on both sides, man. I mean, Alex Jones is getting lynched. Harvey Weinstein, whatever. I know he's, he's done horrible things.

Joe Rogan 55:55 That's a very different thing.

Shooter Jennings 55:57 But every, everyone's-

Joe Rogan 55:58 That's a very, very, very, very, very different thing you're talking about.

Shooter Jennings 56:00 I'm not defending him at all for his behavior.

Joe Rogan 56:02 But I don't understand how you made that... What's the connection?

Shooter Jennings 56:05 But do you underst-... The connection is the fact that-

Joe Rogan 56:06 The only connection is people are just attacking him. They're finding a place to attack.

Shooter Jennings 56:08 Because the minute, the minute... Look, those people could have suits against Harvey Weinstein-stein. We can know about it. Of course we knew about it because of The Wall Street Journal or what, whoever-

Joe Rogan 56:18 New York Times.

Shooter Jennings 56:18 ... New York Times, who were in that thing. But like-

Joe Rogan 56:20 Was it The New Yorker?

Shooter Jennings 56:21 N- yeah. It was The New Yorker.

Joe Rogan 56:23 New Yorker? Yeah. Shout out to Ronan Farrow.

Shooter Jennings 56:24 But, like, I guess my point is, is that, like-

Joe Rogan 56:25 Leave me alone. (laughs)

Shooter Jennings 56:27 ... y- you know? I mean, I- I- I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion, but I- I just feel like that the centralization of society into social media is resulting in a lot of things that are very ugly. And I think that the Russian bot thing, the Chinese hackers thing, the Alex Jones issue, the Me Too movement, all that stuff, which I, I'm behind all the people that, that were hurt. I'm not... I'm behind the Sandy Hooks people, I'm behind the people-

Joe Rogan 56:57 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 56:57 ... who had the bad experiences in Hollywood, all that. I'm behind it.

Joe Rogan 56:59 So what are you proposing? What are you saying?

Shooter Jennings 57:01 I'm just saying that I think that, that it's unhealthy. I think the social media thing has become too centralized. There needs to be a de-

Joe Rogan 57:08 Centralized?

Shooter Jennings 57:09 ... decentralized, uh, source-

Joe Rogan 57:11 How is it centralized? Because there's only a few groups-

Shooter Jennings 57:13 Because it's... And, and they're-

Joe Rogan 57:13 ... like Facebook, Twitter, In- Instagram?

Shooter Jennings 57:15 They are... I mean, it's 100% centralized. I mean, it's owned by a group. It's several groups. It's several, uh... You know, everyone's kind of going to McDonald's to have these conversations as opposed to it being something that is a little more healthy. I just find... I just think that, that people... I think Alex Jones should've always been able to be crazy in his world, and, and he was always nice to me. And you, like you said, he's your friend. Like, like, you, you didn't-

Joe Rogan 57:41 You know what the problem with Alex is? He needs someone sitting right next to him.

Shooter Jennings 57:44 I-

Joe Rogan 57:44 Someone like me. Someone-

Shooter Jennings 57:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:46 ... who, when he talks-

Shooter Jennings 57:47 Right?

Joe Rogan 57:47 ... and he says something crazy, you go, "Wait a minute, wait, how do you know that?" And he goes, "Well, w- we have the documents." "Well, show me the documents. Well, the documents don't say that."

Shooter Jennings 57:54 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 57:54 "Well, you know, the problem is, Joe, that they are definitely trying to influence..." And you go, "Yeah, they probably are." But if you leave him alone, if you leave him alone and just let him rant... By the way, he's doing six hours, eight hours of radio a fucking day.

Shooter Jennings 58:05 I know.

Joe Rogan 58:05 And he definitely likes to drink. So he's doing six hours of radio a day. At least three of them are drunk. And he's fucking filling time and screaming, and no one can say anything to him. And he's the fucking man over there. That's also part of the problem. 'Cause he's got a bunch of these other people that are around him all the time, and they're conspiracy theorists as well, but they're 28 and, you know, and then, you know, they're hanging out with Alex Jones.

Shooter Jennings 58:28 But I mean, it's a broad-

Joe Rogan 58:29 And he goes on these rants and no one interrupts him.

Shooter Jennings 58:31 You know, it's a broad argument with all of it, because I- I agree, but he was always, he was always transmitting. He was always like, "Hey, show me where the Satanists are going to worship, uh, to, to sacrifice children."

Joe Rogan 58:41 That's fun. That's fine.

Shooter Jennings 58:42 But I get it.

Joe Rogan 58:43 I think what happened is now the idea is that he's influencing people politically, like the whole, you know, the whole, uh, Podesta, Pizzagate, that... All that stuff-

Shooter Jennings 58:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:54 ... which scared the shit out of people when that guy showed up at that pizza place and fired off a round and-

Shooter Jennings 58:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:58 ... you know, and then they wound up arresting him and they really thought there was a dungeon in the basement where they're keeping kids.

Shooter Jennings 59:02 Again, centralizing in social media is the cause for a lot of these reactions, I think.

Joe Rogan 59:06 But is that centralizing in social media, or is that people exciting people to go and take action against something that may or may not even be real? If you... Are you allowed to yell out "fire" in a crowded theater? Right? This is ultimately-

Shooter Jennings 59:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:19 ... the problem.

Shooter Jennings 59:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:21 It's not whether or not he believes in Bohemian Grove, which is real.

Shooter Jennings 59:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:24 And he proved it on video back when they had VHS tapes, and I watched it.

Shooter Jennings 59:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:28 I mean, uh, I've known Alex since '99 or- or '98, I think, maybe. I've known him for a long-ass time.... and the- this is a very big difference between then and what's happening now, as, as far as the reach in influence. And I think people are sort of panicking about reach and influence and what it means and how to mitigate it, how to change peop- how to stop people from going into pizza places and shooting them up because they think that something that they heard online is true. There's a lot of stuff that people hear online that is just not true, you know, the lizard's underground or the-

Shooter Jennings 1:00:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 ... fucking earth being flat.

Shooter Jennings 1:00:02 Like the flat earth thing, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 There's a lot of stuff that's just nonsense, so it's, it's hard to separate. Here's what I think. I think we are going through an adolescent stage as a, as a being, as an evolving being. And I think our bodies and our minds and our consciousness are becoming synchronized with technology. And along the way, like right now, we are in this chaotic, screaming, sweating, crying, pissing, shitting state of chaos. And we are looking to figure out how to stop the bleeding. We're looking to shove thumbs into dykes. Dykes meaning, like, dams and-

Shooter Jennings 1:00:42 (laughs) Oh, goddamn.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 And we are looking to try to figure out a way to stop the bleeding. We're trying to put patches and Band-Aids on things. We're trying to manage the chaos. We're trying to figure out what... And this is a stage that we're going through because this-

Shooter Jennings 1:00:55 But see, I think the synchronization is bad.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 Hold on a second. This is a new thing. This is a new thing for human beings. The ability to communicate widespread over millions and millions of people instantaneously is a new thing. So people have say that never had say before. They have influence that never had influence before. They have their ability to contribute, and they might not have thought these things through, and these things catch fire. And they run through dry forests like a goddamn tornado of, of, of, of flames that you see on CNN when the Mendocino fire up in northern California.

Shooter Jennings 1:01:28 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 This is, this is what happens with ideas because there's no way to contain them, and they don't know what's right or what's wrong. I think that what we're going through from the period of 1994 to the period of 2018 is like a crazy fire in the middle of a hurricane. It's like everything is nuts, and no one knows how to stop it, and no one knows what to do. And what do we do? We get together in shelters, and we fucking give people water. And we try to stop the fire and take away everyone's lighters. And that's what we're doing right now. We're trying to take away lighters. We're trying to stop people who start fires. And this is what's happening with Alex. And it's, it's not that Alex is a bad guy. It's that he has... He's by himself, okay?

Shooter Jennings 1:02:08 Irresponsibility.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 It's irresponsible to say that you know for sure, a fact, that these parents from Sandy Hook are crisis actors and their kids never died. It's irresponsible.

Shooter Jennings 1:02:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 And he didn't think it was irresponsible when he was doing it because he's probably caught up in what he does, and he's caught up in the wave of ad-libbing just like you and I are ad-libbing.

Shooter Jennings 1:02:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 I didn't... We didn't even talk about what the fuck we were gonna talk about, right?

Shooter Jennings 1:02:29 No, you just turned on and we went.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 We just-

Shooter Jennings 1:02:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 We just turned on and went. We had a couple of drinks.

Shooter Jennings 1:02:32 You're, you're, that's very right. You're, what you're saying there is very right. I don't mean to cut you off.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 It's okay.

Shooter Jennings 1:02:36 But the, but what you're saying there is very smart because to me, uh, y- you know, it i- it's... You're right. He, he has always been doing this.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 He does.

Shooter Jennings 1:02:47 And at this point in time, his reach has grown.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 Right.

Shooter Jennings 1:02:50 And, and that way-

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 He's now, there's a wind behind him.

Shooter Jennings 1:02:52 Right, which-

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 He used to be, you know, in Seattle, it was raining every day, and he had a little patch of dry newspaper, light that shit on fire, and everybody would go, "Ah, Alex is crazy."

Shooter Jennings 1:03:00 Yeah, no, I, I agree. I think, I think, I think what I'm trying to articulate, and I'm not doing as well as I wanted to, but I think what my problem is, is the synchronization of consciousness is what I'm not into. I think-

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 Mm-hmm.

Shooter Jennings 1:03:14 ... that, I think, you know, just like you have a rut of people who believe that, uh, you know, that now believe that, that the Sandy Hook thing is fake, and they're calling the families because of this conversation. This is where that lawsuit is really coming from-

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 Yeah.

Shooter Jennings 1:03:31 ... because the other people. But then you also have another side of it, and it could be as s- You know back in the day when they said that Paul McCartney was dead-

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Right.

Shooter Jennings 1:03:40 ... and they got harassed, but it was on such