Joe Rogan Experience #1161 - Jerrod Carmichael & Jamar Neighbors

1. 0:03 – 2:11

   Catching up with Jerrod & Jamar: Comedy Store energy and late-night sets

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Five, four, three, two, one. Live? And we're live. Mr. Carmichael.

   2. JCJerrod Carmichael0:11

      Hello, my friend.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Mr. Neighbors.

   4. JNJamar Neighbors0:13

      Hello, Joe Rogan.

   5. JCJerrod Carmichael0:14

      Uh, my friend, Jamar.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      I know. Uh, Jamar, welcome.

   7. JNJamar Neighbors0:17

      Thank you, man. Thank you.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Didn't know you were coming, but glad to see you.

   9. JNJamar Neighbors0:19

      Man, me neither, man. He made, he made me come. (laughs)

   10. JCJerrod Carmichael0:22

       Well-

   11. JNJamar Neighbors0:22

       He came by the house. He just came by.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       (laughs)

   13. JCJerrod Carmichael0:24

       I was like, "I'm gonna, I'm going to Joe Rogan." And he was like, "Oh, I'm gonna come."

   14. JNJamar Neighbors0:28

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       I was like-

   16. JCJerrod Carmichael0:29

       (laughs)

   17. JNJamar Neighbors0:30

       "That's perfect."

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       (laughs) Perfect, perfect. What the fuck is going on, man? What are you up to?

   19. JCJerrod Carmichael0:34

       Not much. I just got in from New York, like, two hours ago, and now I'm here. I feel real... I don't know. I feel like a... You know, you ever see, like, a homeless man smoking a cigarette?

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah.

   21. JCJerrod Carmichael0:46

       And he just feels, like, real zen and this is his... That's how, that's how I feel emotionally right now.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Really?

   23. JCJerrod Carmichael0:52

       Yeah, really, like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Like a homeless dude smoking a cigarette?

   25. JCJerrod Carmichael0:54

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       What a weird analogy.

   27. JCJerrod Carmichael0:55

       I feel it's great.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Hmm.

   29. JCJerrod Carmichael0:58

       It's really great.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Trying to figure that out, that feeling.
2. 2:11 – 7:08

   Following chaos on stage: Brody Stevens and Brian Holtzman stories

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:11

      Well, the room really changes when it gets empty late at night. Like that's a strange room when like Brody's doing those midnight spots.

   2. JCJerrod Carmichael2:18

      Those have been some fun spots to watch just when Brody's just... (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      (laughs)

   4. JNJamar Neighbors2:22

      (laughs)

   5. JCJerrod Carmichael2:23

      So I was like, I used to, Tommy used to make me, uh, follow Brody, uh, like all the time. It's a, that's such a fun, interesting thing to do, to like, because what el- what else is left-

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:34

      Right.

   7. JCJerrod Carmichael2:35

      ... at that point? You know what I mean? Like...

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:36

      But the audience's head space.

   9. JCJerrod Carmichael2:38

      Yeah, it's in, they're in such a different place that it's just fun to piece it back together and-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       Yeah.

   11. JCJerrod Carmichael2:44

       ... figure it out.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Well, Jamar, you get a lot of those freaky spots.

   13. JNJamar Neighbors2:47

       Yeah, man. Y- you ever had to follow Brian Holtzman?

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       (laughs) Many times. (laughs)

   15. JCJerrod Carmichael2:53

       (laughs) I'm like...

   16. JNJamar Neighbors2:54

       No!

   17. JCJerrod Carmichael2:55

       What happens with him?

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       Well, he's just so crazy. He'll say so much crazy shit that the audience is just like stunned.

   19. JCJerrod Carmichael3:02

       (laughs)

   20. JNJamar Neighbors3:02

       Yeah. It's like Brody times 20.

   21. JCJerrod Carmichael3:06

       Really?

   22. JNJamar Neighbors3:06

       Yeah. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       You never see Holtzman?

   24. JNJamar Neighbors3:08

       Funny as fuck.

   25. JCJerrod Carmichael3:09

       Yeah, I don't, I don't think I have yet.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       Oh my God. Dude, Holtzman said some of the darkest shit I've ever seen anybody say on stage.

   27. JCJerrod Carmichael3:15

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       He went on stage aft- do you remember Susan Smith, that lady that drowned her kids? She was a lady that, she drowned her kids.

   29. JCJerrod Carmichael3:23

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       I forget like what the context of it was. Holtzman went on stage like two days later, he's like, "I heard those were bad kids. I heard they sat that close to the TV, they never put away their blocks, they fucking spilt their milk. Those kids will not be missed."
3. 7:08 – 10:26

   Richard Pryor as the blueprint: bombing, honesty, and workshopping on tape

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:08

      There's some classic famous stories about Pryor bombing as he was filming Live on the Sunset Strip.

   2. JCJerrod Carmichael7:13

      Mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:14

      Like some of the sets-

   4. JCJerrod Carmichael7:14

      Oh, Mythzologic, uh, had the, the footage.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:17

      Oh, really?

   6. JCJerrod Carmichael7:18

      Yeah. The- Yeah. The Showtime doc had like the footage of the... that show.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:24

      Oh, the show where he was prepping? Like, where he was getting ready for the-

   8. JCJerrod Carmichael7:26

      Yeah. Well, no, no. Like the show where just Dayton Go- like, you know with Stevie Wonder's there.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:31

      Oh, so they filmed a few of them?

   10. JCJerrod Carmichael7:31

       Yeah. Well, they filmed the... you know, that Strip show where he had to come back the next night and, and like kinda redo it. He just had like... He was just... He, he, you know, operated from such a place of just like... It was so hon-... It had to be honest to him, I think, and it, uh, he had... just hadn't gone up in a while and was on stage and was just like in the room and just sat in it. (laughs) He just st-... He just sat... The footage is crazy. Send me that. Wow. Yeah, yeah. It's really great.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       Who's got the footage?

   12. JCJerrod Carmichael8:01

       Well, it's in the doc.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:01

       Right.

   14. JCJerrod Carmichael8:02

       You can see it in the documentary. We can see it. Like, a little bit, but I think it's extended foota-... I haven't seen the extended footage, i- if that exists, but-

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:09

       There's some great old cassettes that I bought from, uh, like a gas station.

   16. JCJerrod Carmichael8:15

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       They were, uh, Redd Foxx's Comedy Club. Redd Foxx had a comedy club and Pryor would go up and just fuck around, man. Just fuck around. And there was many of them.

   18. JCJerrod Carmichael8:28

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       I mean, there was like seven or eight recordings.

   20. JCJerrod Carmichael8:30

       Maverick's Flat, I think it was, right? I don't know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       That was the name of the company?

   22. JCJerrod Carmichael8:34

       I think so.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       In Soho?

   24. JCJerrod Carmichael8:36

       Off o- off of like Crenshaw or something over there, like, in like the-

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:39

       Oh, where the club was?

   26. JCJerrod Carmichael8:40

       Yeah, it was. Oh.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       I don't know. I got 'em when I was living in Boston. I was living in Boston and I found them like at a gas station. They were for sale.

   28. JCJerrod Carmichael8:47

       Oh.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       Yeah. And it was crazy because it was like-

   30. JCJerrod Carmichael8:49

       (laughs)
4. 10:26 – 13:00

   Joe’s ‘follow Richard Pryor’ nightmare and Jerrod’s origin story in LA

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:26

      Did you ever see him live?

   2. JCJerrod Carmichael10:28

      No. Pryor?

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:29

      Yeah.

   4. JCJerrod Carmichael10:29

      Wait, how old do you think I am?

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:31

      No, he was alive, uh, doing standup 10 years ago. Yeah. Maybe a little bit more. Maybe 15 years ago.

   6. JCJerrod Carmichael10:38

      Yeah. Well, he di-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:38

      When did he die? Uh, maybe it was more than 15 years ago, now that I'm thinking about it.

   8. JCJerrod Carmichael10:44

      Did you ever see him live?

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:45

      Yeah, I had a, um... I had to follow him for like five weeks in a row, man.

   10. JCJerrod Carmichael10:50

       Really? Where? Damn. That's like a, a run in- In five-

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       To 2005 he died?

   12. JCJerrod Carmichael10:53

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:53

       Okay, so it was more than I thought.

   14. JCJerrod Carmichael10:54

       Like a run-

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:55

       15 years ago.

   16. JCJerrod Carmichael10:55

       Um-

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:56

       He did a, a run before he died. It was probably right before then. Um, actually, I wanna say it was like the late '90s, early 2000s. Somewhere around then. He was real sick and they would have to carry him to the stage and it would take like five minutes for him to get to the stage. So they'd introduce him and the comic would get out of the way and then, um, uh, Chewy and Marilyn Martinez's husband would help him walk to the stage. They would hold onto him, take him to the stage. It would take forever. It was a slow process. And they'd get him and they'd sit him down and they'd crank up the mic like this, "Ch- ch- ch- ch-..." Because his voice was so soft then.

   18. JCJerrod Carmichael11:35

       Feeble and... Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:37

       Yeah, and, and he would do standup.

   20. JCJerrod Carmichael11:39

       Mm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:39

       He'd do like 15, 20 minutes and then I would go on after him ev-... almost every time. It would be me. And, uh-

   22. JCJerrod Carmichael11:46

       Just-

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:46

       ... just eat shit.

   24. JCJerrod Carmichael11:49

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       I would just eat shit. (laughs)

   26. JCJerrod Carmichael11:50

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:51

       Because first of all... First of all, nobody knew who I was and second of all, they just saw Richard Pryor and they're sad because he's fading away right in front-

   28. JCJerrod Carmichael12:00

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:00

       ... of everybody.

   30. JCJerrod Carmichael12:01

       Yeah, it's an interesting feeling. Like, you... Never before has, like, a British-type intermission been needed-... more. (laughs)
5. 13:00 – 21:02

   Stand-up in context: uniqueness, comparison culture, and what The Store forces you to become

   1. JCJerrod Carmichael13:00

      I can watch it, you know, uh, I, I can consume m- like a, a high volume of it in, in a lot of cases. Like, you know, I, I'm... I've always been interested in, like, whatever people are talking about. You know? Like, and it was just an interesting sampler of like, all right.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:17

      What's fascinating about The Store there's the 15 minute blocks that you're seeing these completely different view points.

   3. JCJerrod Carmichael13:24

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:24

      15 minute chunks, you know? It's just like, if you sit there for long enough, you sit there for like a couple of hours and you watch that many different people, you watch eight different people go up, it's like... It's very weird.

   5. JCJerrod Carmichael13:34

      Yeah, it's... It... The strength of it, I think, uh, i- for like what standup is, especially like right now, what it helps is, it allows you to think of yourself in context. Um, and, and that's ki-... That's, that's more important now than ever, uh, especially with standup. If you're on and you're competing against the 3,000 (laughs) other specials that came out this week-

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:02

      Right, right.

   7. JCJerrod Carmichael14:03

      ... it, it's in context of, you know, kind of mass consumption. So, if you're going up, uh, you know, in the middle of a marathon show, you're going up in the OR in the middle of a show and they saw eight comics before you, they'll see nine after you or whatever-

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:20

      Right.

   9. JCJerrod Carmichael14:21

      ... you have to, like, kind of sketch a place in their minds (laughs) in context of everything else that they saw that night.

   10. Yeah.

   11. It's really important.

   12. So, so are you going, like... Are you going, like, "Okay, so what haven't they seen?" Well, no, you can't do that because then you-

   13. No, not, not that.

   14. ... can only be yourself.

   15. It, it, it, it forces you... It's not saying, like, you know... It's not saying, "Change who you are."

   16. Yeah.

   17. I think it makes a more dynamic version of who you are. Like, because you have to memorable in the... in context of all of these people.

   18. Right.

   19. And these different styles. Also, you know, I think what you do... 'Cause you're... Whatever you make and you release into the world, you are also releasing it in the context of other art that people are consuming, right? So, like, even if you release your standup album, you know... A lot of times people who buy standup albums, buy standup albums, you know? And like-

   20. Right.

   21. ... so they listen to you in context of the other standup albums that y- you have. Like, and it's, it's a strong comparison culture standup has, right? Like hip hop, where it's always in relation... It's not, "This is my favorite rapper." It's, "This rapper's better than that rapper."

   22. Right, right.

   23. And like... (laughs) You know, it c- it... And comedians and consumers of it, you know, it, it's a lot of association.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       Yeah.

   25. JCJerrod Carmichael15:35

       So, it's like, you know, it should force you to be you. Specifically you.

   26. Yeah.

   27. That's needed more than ever before.

   28. Right.

   29. You know, like, like you need to be yourself completely or if you're a character, that character needs to be hammered the fuck down.

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Yeah. And who you are changes depending upon your environment. That's one of the things about The Store. Like, since I've come back to The Store, I... It's tightened me up. It's made me better-
6. 21:02 – 28:17

   Late-night TV vs. authenticity: why the old pipeline feels broken now

   1. JCJerrod Carmichael21:02

      Like, like, why are you doing a... Your Tonight Show set in your... Colbert's not even... They block sh... It's so fucking disrespectful. They block shoot these things.

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:13

      What do you mean?

   3. JCJerrod Carmichael21:14

      These like, like... It's... They'll do like 10 comedians at a time and he's not even there, and they like throw to it as if, you know, like he's the... It's the rudest thing I've ever heard and the fact that comedians still go on the show and would still do it is insane to me.

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:31

      Wow, I didn't know that.

   5. JCJerrod Carmichael21:31

      That's i- that's insane to me.

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:33

      So, how many did he do in a row?

   7. JCJerrod Carmichael21:35

      I, uh, I heard like 10. I could get the number wrong, but he's not there. It's not... You know, you're just doing like this show in front of this audience in the studio and-

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:43

      And he pretends to throw to you and you're there-

   9. JCJerrod Carmichael21:45

      Yeah, and he throws to you like you're there and it's like this thing that's like, but it... There's nothing-

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:49

       He doesn't care?

   11. JCJerrod Carmichael21:49

       No. Well, it's... Again, man, like... But it's on, it's on us as much as it's like... You know. Of course they're gonna do that. They're gonna do that to any, you know, any genre of entertainment that would allow such a thing to happen. They will do it to you.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:05

       Right.

   13. JCJerrod Carmichael22:05

       You know, they're not gonna do... If Rihanna's doing a... (sighs) These, these things are so contrived. Like, it's the same set, you come out in front of the same curtain, people put on the same outfit that they didn't wear yesterday and would never wear again tomorrow, and they come out and they pretend to be a comedian from 1993.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:23

       (laughs)

   15. (laughs)

   16. JCJerrod Carmichael22:26

       And it's like, what? Who the fuck are y- Who the fuck are you?

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       (laughs)

   18. (laughs)

   19. JCJerrod Carmichael22:29

       What are you fucking doing?

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:31

       Damn.

   21. JCJerrod Carmichael22:32

       For a set to get passed around to a couple of agents that wanna come see you-

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:36

       (laughs)

   23. JCJerrod Carmichael22:36

       ... that y-... Who cares?

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:38

       Yeah. I was talking to Theo Von about this. We were talking... He, he... We were talking about like whether it's worth it being on one of those shows now.

   25. JCJerrod Carmichael22:45

       No, no. It's never-

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:46

       And I was like, "Nobody notices."

   27. JCJerrod Carmichael22:46

       It's never worth it, it's never worth it capturing yourself not as yourself.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:51

       Right.

   29. JCJerrod Carmichael22:51

       It's a waste of your time.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:53

       It used to be worth something. This is why it's confusing, because there was no venues before. So, when Johnny Carson would have you on The Tonight Show-
7. 28:17 – 33:54

   Commercials and culture: what advertising reveals about America

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:17

      But when I watch those shows today, I'm like, "Why are they still a thing?" When I see a late night show, and no- no disrespect to anybody who hosts a late night show, but to me, it's like- it's like they took a boat and tried to turn it into a plane.

   2. JCJerrod Carmichael28:29

      (laughs)

   3. JNJamar Neighbors28:29

      Mm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan28:30

      And then they're like, "Hey, we're not gonna... It's 2018, but let's pretend it's not."

   5. JCJerrod Carmichael28:34

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan28:35

      You know, "We'll be right back with a commercial. Hey, we're gonna have commercials."

   7. JCJerrod Carmichael28:38

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:38

      They're gonna sh- shove commercials into things. But today, everybody watches HBO and Netflix, like, what am I-

   9. JCJerrod Carmichael28:44

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan28:44

       ... doing here sitting through a fucking commercial?

   11. JNJamar Neighbors28:46

       Mm.

   12. JCJerrod Carmichael28:46

       I- (laughs) I get, I- I'm... It may be weird. I- like, 'cause I actually, I enjoy advertising.

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:54

       You do?

   14. JCJerrod Carmichael28:55

       Yeah, yeah. Uh, uh, like a lot. I'll stare at, like, uh, billboards, I'll watch commercials, I'll watch, like, all... 'Cause I- I do think it- it speaks to what, uh, like, America thinks we are (laughs) -

   15. JRJoe Rogan29:11

       Mm.

   16. JCJerrod Carmichael29:12

       ... as a culture.

   17. JRJoe Rogan29:13

       Right.

   18. JCJerrod Carmichael29:13

       You know what I mean? Like, it speaks to what they think is going-

   19. JRJoe Rogan29:16

       Right, what they think is gonna work.

   20. JCJerrod Carmichael29:16

       ... appealing and what they think is gonna work, and so in a sense it's like, uh, like, uh, in a way, uh, in the same sense, like, you can gauge a lot from a person by the types of questions they ask you-

   21. JRJoe Rogan29:26

       Hm.

   22. JCJerrod Carmichael29:26

       ... you know? Like, you can gauge a lot from, like, even a climate by the type of commercials, what they feel is ev- 'cause they're trying to appeal to everybody.

   23. JRJoe Rogan29:33

       Right.

   24. JCJerrod Carmichael29:33

       So, this is what they're saying, "This is what we think everybody is thinking right now."

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:37

       Yeah.

   26. JNJamar Neighbors29:38

       Mm.

   27. JCJerrod Carmichael29:38

       You know? Or how everyone feels or what they want, and, uh, like, but I- I love... Uh, uh, like, I'll watch it. And even, like, The Tonight Show and those, um, these things, I mean, look, you know, anything in function, uh, at its best is fun. It- it's just, you know, the... Where it hits a wall and it's what we're saying about comedy and what we're saying about a lot of things is, like, when a thing tries to be something that it's not.

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:01

       Right.

   29. JCJerrod Carmichael30:01

       You know? When it feels like there- there ju- These late night shows, when they're just doing fun things that they think are fun and interesting, I love, you know-... Kimmel always, every year, does, like, the parents that tell the kids that know Halloween, that they ate all the Halloween candy.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:17

       Yeah.
8. 33:54 – 47:50

   Depression, exercise, and meditation: defining the line between sadness and illness

   1. JRJoe Rogan33:54

      But some people are, you know, a lot of people are. Like, what percentage do you think? I mean, it's probably more than 20% of Americans are depressed.

   2. JNJamar Neighbors34:02

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:03

      Let's just take a guess.

   4. JCJerrod Carmichael34:03

      Or maybe some version.

   5. JRJoe Rogan34:04

      Let's see what a, what a recent poll shows. It's not gonna give us a real good idea, but I'll say 20%, 20% of Americans suffer from depression. What do you think?

   6. JCJerrod Carmichael34:13

      A form of depres- uh, are we saying specifically depression or are we saying, like, mental ...

   7. JRJoe Rogan34:20

      Not illness.

   8. JCJerrod Carmichael34:22

      Yeah. Because-

   9. JRJoe Rogan34:22

      Uh, depression.

   10. JCJerrod Carmichael34:23

       It is-

   11. JRJoe Rogan34:23

       How do you define-

   12. JCJerrod Carmichael34:24

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:25

       Yeah.

   14. JCJerrod Carmichael34:26

       Because ... I'm just saying it, it's ... The reason it's hard to quantify is because it's like, it also is a thing that comes in phases or post-event.

   15. JRJoe Rogan34:36

       Yeah.

   16. JCJerrod Carmichael34:36

       Like, specific, like, depression. You know what I mean? That's why I'm just wondering how we're ...

   17. JNJamar Neighbors34:41

       And I, I can't believe it's not as easy as, "Man, get over that shit." (imitates engine revving)

   18. JCJerrod Carmichael34:45

       Like, I can't believe it's not. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan34:48

       But it's not. (laughs)

   20. JNJamar Neighbors34:49

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan34:49

       (laughs)

   22. JCJerrod Carmichael34:50

       Yeah. I mean, it, it's-

   23. JNJamar Neighbors34:51

       That's how I get over shit.

   24. JCJerrod Carmichael34:52

       Oh, shit. (laughs)

   25. JNJamar Neighbors34:53

       Like, "Fuck it." Right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:54

       (laughs)

   27. JCJerrod Carmichael34:54

       No, but, you know, some people-

   28. JNJamar Neighbors34:56

       Some people have real issues.

   29. JCJerrod Carmichael34:56

       Yeah, exactly. Like, it's hard to, like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:59

       Yeah. It's like, "Wow, you got cancer? Get over it."
9. 47:50 – 53:32

   Recreational outrage and cultural appropriation: when ‘trending’ replaces real stakes

   1. JCJerrod Carmichael47:50

      Uh, it, it's like a culture that's where y- we are rewarded for publicly, you know ...

   2. JRJoe Rogan47:57

      Yeah.

   3. JCJerrod Carmichael47:58

      For having a public complaint.

   4. What you mean?

   5. Um, well, rewarded in the sense of like, you know, you get, uh, you can get attention for it. You can get attention for like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan48:07

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JCJerrod Carmichael48:07

      And, and, but I'm just saying by publicly airing, uh, you know, agreements about a project, and I'm speaking especially specifically about how we respond to content is just that like, uh, by publicly saying this, you can speak to your respective group and you-

   8. Oh.

   9. ... have an immediate reward for it.

   10. Oh.

   11. (Rap music playing) So, it's like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan48:28

       Yeah.

   13. JCJerrod Carmichael48:28

       ... you know, it, it's like, I don't even know if we're more sensitive. We're just more outspoken about, you know, things- (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan48:35

       Well-

   15. JCJerrod Carmichael48:36

       ... because we have an outlet now.

   16. JRJoe Rogan48:36

       ... people are definitely more outraged. They're looking to get outraged. That's, that's a really common thing now that just didn't exist a few decades ago.

   17. JCJerrod Carmichael48:42

       But I don't even think it's... I, I, I don't even think it's outrage. You know what I mean? Like, I, I, I really don't think it's outrage as much as it... Because outrage, we've seen what outrage looks like. At the... when, at the peak of, uh, like, the Black Lives Matter movement was, where people... and, of course, Black people were outraged in the streets-

   18. JRJoe Rogan49:03

       Yeah, but that's real.

   19. JCJerrod Carmichael49:03

       But that, that's what I'm saying.

   20. JRJoe Rogan49:04

       Yeah. Right.

   21. JCJerrod Carmichael49:04

       But that's what, that's what outrage-

   22. JRJoe Rogan49:06

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JCJerrod Carmichael49:07

       ... is. And I don't want to confuse that with, like, you know-

   24. JRJoe Rogan49:10

       Recreational outrage.

   25. JCJerrod Carmichael49:11

       Recreational outrage, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan49:13

       Yeah.

   27. JCJerrod Carmichael49:13

       And it's really important to, to draw that distinction, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan49:16

       Right.

   29. JCJerrod Carmichael49:16

       And so, it's like, it, it, it's... again, people are vocal about things. Some issues real. A lot of things w- we start getting upset about, there are, like, certain... we get upset about certain cultural appropriation things of the week because there's a sushi restaurant on a college campus. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan49:33

       Right, right, right.
10. 53:32 – 1:02:21

    Forbidden words, shifting taboos, and the NASA intern cautionary tale

    1. JNJamar Neighbors53:32

       Can I ask a question? Where did... uh, when, when did... uh, when did cunt become a bad word?

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:39

       It depends on who's house.

    3. JCJerrod Carmichael53:40

       Like, what, what is- (laughs)

    4. JNJamar Neighbors53:41

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan53:41

       If you're in England, man, they don't give a fuck.

    6. JNJamar Neighbors53:43

       Is that really-

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:44

       Australia, they love it.

    8. JCJerrod Carmichael53:44

       I don't think I heard the... heard it used until, like... I mean, nobody... I didn't grow up around it. I didn't hear people saying it, so I don't even think I heard it used until, like... I mean, I was probably a teen.

    9. JNJamar Neighbors53:57

       That sounds-

    10. JCJerrod Carmichael53:57

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan53:57

        ... probably how I hear it.

    12. JNJamar Neighbors53:57

        Like a Hollywood bad word.

    13. JCJerrod Carmichael53:58

        Yeah. It seems like a Hollywood bad word, yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:00

        Yeah. No, it's a word that when you used it, you fucking really were angry.

    15. JCJerrod Carmichael54:05

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:06

        Yeah. It just... I don't know where it came from.

    17. JNJamar Neighbors54:08

        It's like the new bitch.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:10

        It's not new. I mean, it was around a long... it's been around since I was in high school. But you called someone a cunt in high school, man, you were ready to fight her brother.

    19. JCJerrod Carmichael54:17

        Oh. (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:18

        Like, shit would get deep. Y- you couldn't say cunt. You could say bitch. You're a fucking bitch. Fuck you, you're a loser. You know? Like-

    21. JCJerrod Carmichael54:24

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan54:24

        ... you're a cunt. Oh. Like, people would... they would wilt.

    23. JCJerrod Carmichael54:27

        Wow.

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:28

        They'd be like, "What the fuck did you just say?"

    25. JCJerrod Carmichael54:30

        That's... Yeah. I, I... yeah, I, I didn't hear it a lot at all.

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:34

        Yeah.

    27. JCJerrod Carmichael54:35

        It-

    28. JNJamar Neighbors54:36

        ... and I could never imagine myself casually calling somebody a cunt.

    29. JRJoe Rogan54:41

        But if you lived in England, you could.

    30. JNJamar Neighbors54:44

        (laughs)
11. 1:02:21 – 1:25:34

    Did we go to the moon? Press conferences, footage weirdness, and why conspiracies persist

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:02:21

       You don't think we went to the moon? I saw you talking about that.

    2. JCJerrod Carmichael1:02:23

       Yeah. No, I, I, I don't... I, look, I, I could give... I could be convinced, you know, otherwise.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:02:28

       Oh, I was convinced that we didn't for a long time. Now I'm convinced I have no fucking idea.

    4. JCJerrod Carmichael1:02:32

       Yeah, I don't really... Uh, it's... I, I don't think we went to the moon-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:02:37

       What makes you that?

    6. JCJerrod Carmichael1:02:37

       ... just off of base... It's not rooted in science.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:02:40

       How much, how much have you really paid attention to it? 'Cause I went down the rabbit hole-

    8. JCJerrod Carmichael1:02:44

       I, I go-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:02:44

       ... for many, many years.

    10. JCJerrod Carmichael1:02:45

        I go off kind of like, it's always, like, the social kind of where there's smoke there's fire type clues.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:02:52

        Mm-hmm.

    12. JCJerrod Carmichael1:02:52

        Of just, like, you know, us being in a race and no country's coming second.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:56

        Right.

    14. JCJerrod Carmichael1:02:56

        Uh, us... You know, other space programs not catching up to 19 what? '69?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:03:02

        1969 to 1972.

    16. JCJerrod Carmichael1:03:04

        Uh, American technology.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:06

        Right.

    18. JCJerrod Carmichael1:03:06

        You know what I mean? Like, uh, uh, every time we went was under the Nixon administration.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:03:11

        That's a good one.

    20. JCJerrod Carmichael1:03:12

        Uh, these types of little things that just make you go, "Eh, I'm probably..." Like-

    21. JNJamar Neighbors1:03:17

        Did you ever watch-

    22. JCJerrod Carmichael1:03:17

        ... it, it... I'm not, like, a flat earther, but it was just like, "Well, there's, like-"

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:03:19

        Did you ever go to the press conference? You ever watch the press conference when they returned from the moon?

    24. JCJerrod Carmichael1:03:23

        Uh, no. Wait, what, what's the-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:03:25

        Oh, you haven't seen the good stuff.

    26. JCJerrod Carmichael1:03:25

        What's the clue? What's the clue in there? The... Or what's the suspicious thing?

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:29

        They look super depressed. They look, uh, super deceptive. They look fidgety.

    28. JCJerrod Carmichael1:03:34

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:35

        And, uh, they're, they're talking weird and they're saying shit they refute later. One of the things they said, Michael Collins, who's actually never... He's supposed to be in... He'd never landed on the surface of the moon. Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong did. He stayed up in the orbiter. And, uh, they were... They were asking about stars and he said, "Um, uh, I don't recall seeing any stars." And then years later, he wrote in his book about how magnificent the stars looked.

    30. JCJerrod Carmichael1:03:59

        Mm.

Episode duration: 2:01:06