Joe Rogan Experience #1163 - Banachek

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Here we go. Four,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Here we go. Four, three, two, one. Boom. And now we're live. How are you, sir?

   2. BABanachek0:10

      I am wonderful.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      We had wonderful chat offstage. (laughs)

   4. BABanachek0:12

      Yeah. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Off microphone. But, uh...

   6. BABanachek0:14

      Yeah. You probably would love to have that on here, but I just couldn't do it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      No. No, I wouldn't.

   8. BABanachek0:18

      No?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      I would never want to do that to you.

   10. BABanachek0:19

       Yeah. No, I, yeah, exactly.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Yeah.

   12. BABanachek0:20

       And I wouldn't want to do that to... Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Yeah. So listen, man, it's great to see you again.

   14. BABanachek0:25

       It's good to see you again. Been a while.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yeah. We, well, I know we ran into each other once in Vegas-

   16. BABanachek0:29

       Mandalay Bay.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       ... at a bar, right?

   18. BABanachek0:30

       Mandalay Bay. Uh-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       So random.

   20. BABanachek0:32

       Uh, Eye Eye Candy. And I turn a-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       There's, is that what it's called?

   22. BABanachek0:35

       Yeah. I turned around-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Oh.

   24. BABanachek0:36

       ... and you turned around and we made eye contact in Eye Candy. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Wait, how long ago was that? That was a long time ago? Still.

   26. BABanachek0:41

       Uh, yeah, it had to be about probably five years ago, four years ago now, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Yeah. I know we talked about doing a podcast back then even.

   28. BABanachek0:46

       Yeah, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       I'm glad we finally got together and did it.

   30. BABanachek0:48

       Yeah, me too. It's gonna be fun.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. BABanachek15:00

      take your wrist, and it, it's based upon the ideomotor response. If I take your wrist and I tell you, "Look at my other hand, and I want you to imagine it actually touching an object." Think of one of these objects, five objects on a table. Think of my hand actually touching it, and I move my left hand l- which you're not holding. You're actually ... I'm holding y- you with my right hand.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:19

      Mm-hmm.

   3. BABanachek15:19

      But I'm moving your hand in sync with it. I ... if you're thinking, go to the left, go to the left, go to the left, I can actually feel the resistance when I go to the right in your arm. So you give off this, this, this thing that lets me know exactly where to go. And you ... Preskin did it with his check. He would hide the check, and, and before that, Polgar did it with his check, and I've done it with my check when I do shows in the past, where they can hide your check anywhere in the theater. You take somebody's hand and you tell them, "Think of my other hand," and they have to know where the object's hidden. And think of that hand actually going there and touching it, and you can actually find the object. So I was doing a lot of muscle reading back in those days.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      Does it work on everybody? What about if you get some stone-cold psychopath?

   5. BABanachek15:59

      Nah. No.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:00

      And he just-

   7. BABanachek16:00

      They, they, they have to really truly be thinking it and wanting it to happen. And that's why I reframe it in the aspect of, uh, you've seen me do things with my mind. I want you to try doing something with your mind. Will this hand to actually touch that object?

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:13

      Oh, okay.

   9. BABanachek16:13

      So, so they do.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Right.

   11. BABanachek16:14

       And they don't realize that subtly they're pushing and pulling you in the right direction.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       Mm-hmm.

   13. BABanachek16:19

       And you can even say to them, "Don't pull me in the direction. Let me pull you." But you're still pulling and pushing with them and you can find the actual object.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       Wow.

   15. BABanachek16:24

       And so I wrote a book on it. It's called Psychophysiological Thought Reading. And it's c-

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       Psychophysiological-

   17. BABanachek16:29

       Psychophysiological-

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       ... Thought Reading.

   19. BABanachek16:31

       ... Thought Reading.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Did you-

   21. BABanachek16:31

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       ... name it?

   23. BABanachek16:31

       Which is muscle reading. I didn't name that. What I did was, uh, we call it muscle reading in the business, and-

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       The business?

   25. BABanachek16:38

       In the business, yeah. And I started looking at some of the older terms for it, and I found that term psychophysiological thought reading. I thought, "That's a great name for the book." Because every book I have written on mentalism, because I write books that teach people, and video I have, they all start with a P, psi series, you know?

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       Mm-hmm.

   27. BABanachek16:53

       It's, it's ... yeah. So it's all ...

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       I've talked to, you know ... I've talked to Penn about magic and about-

   29. BABanachek16:59

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:59

       ... illusions, and he's, you know, funny about it, and he laughs and says it's all lies and bullshit.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Okay, so go back…

   1. BABanachek30:00

      when I knew it was gonna go up and I finally got it. Like, like after three years of it just sitting there, I finally was able to get it. But yeah. So anyway, that's my name. That's how I got my name.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      Okay, so go back to this Michael Edwards thing.

   3. BABanachek30:11

      Oh, so Mike Edwards. So-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      Yeah. (laughs)

   5. BABanachek30:14

      We, yeah, we- I, I go off on these weird tangents.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      We went-

   7. BABanachek30:17

      I, I go every-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      You took a hard right turn into the woods.

   9. BABanachek30:19

      This is, this is, I do this all the time. I go off on so many different tangents, because I just, it's so many different stories and so many different-

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       Mm-hmm.

   11. BABanachek30:23

       ... directions I can go. So, with Mike, um, and, and you'll find that out. In my life, there is so much psychology applied to everyday life for me. Like, the name. Why did I choose my name? There was a reason for it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Hm.

   13. BABanachek30:35

       There's, uh, it's not just haphazard and stuff like that. Or it's not- sometimes it's just a joke. My, you know, like a really sarcastic sense of humor. Here I go off on another tangent. All right, let's go back. Um, so here I am with, uh, uh, Randy telling me about them and, and I said, "Yeah, I've already been accepted."Mike and I are supposed to show up, um... And by the way, somebody recently bought my, uh... Barry Sonnenfeld had bought my write, li- life rights with... Because of this whole thing, which is called Project Alpha that I'm telling you the story about now. And, uh, he had bought it and wanted, uh, uh, Alan Sorkin to write it. But-

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       This is way back then?

   15. BABanachek31:08

       No, this is now. Like, not so long-

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Okay.

   17. BABanachek31:10

       ... you know, like couple of years ago, um-

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       You're fucking me up with your timeline.

   19. BABanachek31:13

       I know. Aaron was, Aaron was... Oh, Yeah. Aaron was, um, busy, so he couldn't do it. Uh, uh, and, and then when he wasn't busy, Barry got busy and my life rights, that what they had were basically, you know, ran out. So I've taken it now and I'm working with another production company to do a series on what we're talking about right now. So, but anyway, so here I am, I'm with Mike Edwards. Uh, we show up at the airport in St. Louis, the first time we're gonna meet. We meet each other, we hit it off right away. I don't have my driver's license. Uh, I had some... What form of ID... I don't know what form of ID I had. I had some other form of ID. And Mike, uh, he had his and he could drive. He just got his at the time. So, I wonder if I used my passport then. I don't know. Anyway-

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       This whole thing you do, this, this fast talking thing, this is part of the shuck and jive, though. This is a little bit of part of the thing-

   21. BABanachek31:58

       No, this is me. This is... Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       I, I understand, but it al- it also is very effective. That's what a shuck and jive artist does. They talk very fast and they never pause, so you never get a chance to interject.

   23. BABanachek32:08

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       And they're constantly going. So if they're reading, you know, or t- t- saying something, you have to keep up with them. And part of the keeping up with them is you get a little bewildered.

   25. BABanachek32:17

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:18

       And in bewildered, you forget what you've said or they've said, and you're, you're trying to sort of keep pace with them and you can't. And next thing you know, they're like, "Oh my God, I can't believe you know that. How'd you figure that out?" "Well, we'll get to that later." And then you keep going. And you keep, and you-

   27. BABanachek32:31

       That is part of the entertainment aspect of it. Yeah. It's not what I'm doing right now because I'm not performing.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:35

       You're like Julio Cesar Chavez when he was fighting. He would put a pace on you you couldn't keep up with.

   29. BABanachek32:39

       Right. Right. Yeah. See, you always analyze it with fighting, which is great.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:43

       Yeah. Well-
4. 45:00 – 59:28

   ... much ... Yeah,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      to Mars.

   2. BABanachek45:00

      ... much ... Yeah, they can last-

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Yeah.

   4. BABanachek45:01

      And robots are getting better and better and better at it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Mm-hmm.

   6. BABanachek45:03

      So if there's an advanced civilation, civilization, surely they would also have-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Right.

   8. BABanachek45:08

      ... this advancement where they don't have to send themselves out. They can send-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Well, that's-

   10. BABanachek45:11

       ... something to represent them, right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:13

       ... what the real hardcore believers believe those grays are.

   12. BABanachek45:17

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:17

       The gray aliens with the big black eyes. They think they're some sort of a android or something.

   14. BABanachek45:21

       And, and it could be, but I don't believe, I don't believe we had them.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:25

       I, um, believed a lot more before I started doing that television show.

   16. BABanachek45:29

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:29

       That television show cured me of Bigfoot, cured me of psychics, cured me of aliens, cured me of, like, almost everything.

   18. BABanachek45:36

       Well, this is the thing with me, right? When I was a young kid, I believed in that stuff. You know, when I was a young kid, I spoke in tongues, you know, or thought I did. You know-

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Did you really?

   20. BABanachek45:42

       Oh, yeah, yeah. I had the whole experience. I mean, it was like, you know, all the chemicals running through my body and me just going ... (speaks in tongues)

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       Hmm. Right, right.

   22. BABanachek45:49

       You know, doing the whole damn thing-

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Yeah.

   24. BABanachek45:50

       ... you know, and going to that. And I realized later what was going on, but-

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       Yeah.

   26. BABanachek45:53

       ... at the time, I, I was looking for answers. I was looking for answers in religion.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Well, you had a very disturbed life, and you were-

   28. BABanachek46:00

       Yeah, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       ... probably looking for some sort of security.

   30. BABanachek46:02

       And I got shut down every single time I would ask questions. I was called a troublemaker, you know?

Episode duration: 2:08:52