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150 min read · 30,003 words- 0:03 – 1:55
Reuniting in Vegas & why mentalists don’t reveal methods
- JRJoe Rogan
Here we go. Four, three, two, one. Boom. And now we're live. How are you, sir?
- BABanachek
I am wonderful.
- JRJoe Rogan
We had wonderful chat offstage. (laughs)
- BABanachek
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Off microphone. But, uh...
- BABanachek
Yeah. You probably would love to have that on here, but I just couldn't do it.
- JRJoe Rogan
No. No, I wouldn't.
- BABanachek
No?
- JRJoe Rogan
I would never want to do that to you.
- BABanachek
Yeah. No, I, yeah, exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BABanachek
And I wouldn't want to do that to... Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So listen, man, it's great to see you again.
- BABanachek
It's good to see you again. Been a while.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. We, well, I know we ran into each other once in Vegas-
- BABanachek
Mandalay Bay.
- JRJoe Rogan
... at a bar, right?
- BABanachek
Mandalay Bay. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
So random.
- BABanachek
Uh, Eye Eye Candy. And I turn a-
- JRJoe Rogan
There's, is that what it's called?
- BABanachek
Yeah. I turned around-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BABanachek
... and you turned around and we made eye contact in Eye Candy. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Wait, how long ago was that? That was a long time ago? Still.
- BABanachek
Uh, yeah, it had to be about probably five years ago, four years ago now, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I know we talked about doing a podcast back then even.
- BABanachek
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm glad we finally got together and did it.
- BABanachek
Yeah, me too. It's gonna be fun.
- 1:55 – 3:41
The ‘birthday guess’ street con & how memory distorts stories
- JRJoe Rogan
Let me ask you this one because my friend Eddie was at Venice Beach and, uh, this guy w- was doing... He had some save the rainforest thing. And he said, "If I tell you your birthday, will, will you listen to me and donate some money or something like that?"
- BABanachek
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he goes, "Okay." And he, he just goes, "May 15th."
- BABanachek
Right. Just straight out-
- JRJoe Rogan
Just whatever it is.
- BABanachek
Straight out like that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he just figured it out.
- BABanachek
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm like how could someone do that?
- BABanachek
I can't tell you because I wasn't there. There could have been other circumstances, there could have been something overheard, there could have been something he's seen. He may have been in the store when the guy took his driver's license. There, there, there's could be... there's a million things that could have happened that your friend Eddie was not aware of before that guy even walked up to him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BABanachek
So I can't... I really can't answer that because it's circumstantial. And here's the other thing, does Eddie really remember everything exactly the way that it was, you know? Or has he forgotten something and left something out in that story because he's told it so many times?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BABanachek
And usually, here's the thing, right? When people want to convince you of something, they embellish.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BABanachek
And the more times they tell that story, that embellishment becomes their reality. They basically create a whole new reality for themselves that they forget that maybe they wrote it down. They forget that maybe they said something. They forget that the person might have asked specific questions. He might have said, "Yeah, I get the feeling that you're probably not born in the beginning of the year, maybe later in the year, maybe in the fall or something like that." The person says, "No, but I am born at the beginning of the year." Now you know it's the wintertime, so now you get within a few months right there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BABanachek
So there's, there are ways within mentalism, which is what I am, a mentalist, and we'll explain what that is in a minute. But, um, there are ways to do those things and there's many ways to do those type of things. So without being there, I can't tell you exactly what your friend Eddie experienced. To him, it was very, very real.
- 3:41 – 8:23
Skepticism, open-minded testing & Banachek’s dyslexia
- JRJoe Rogan
You don't believe in any psychic power?
- BABanachek
I've s-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that fair to say?
- BABanachek
Okay. It's fair to say, but if you just say it that way, it sounds very cold. It kinda sounds like I'm an asshole, I'm a dick, I'm a-
- JRJoe Rogan
No, it doesn't.
- BABanachek
... I'm a skeptic dick in a way. Well, it can because it means I'm not having been open-minded. I am very open-minded about these things. And whenever I investigate a new phenomena, I open... I step back, I put everything that I, I think that, "Hey, it's not real," I put that aside and go, "This could be the one. I'm gonna give him a chance, but I'm gonna look at it... I am gonna be a little bit skeptical. I am gonna do, you know, double blind test. I am gonna step back and look at it from a scientific point of view. I'm not gonna be stupid about this and I'm not gonna let them get away with something." And I also know they may be self-deceived. And I've seen so much of this type of phenomena that I usually know what's going on when I do see it. So, I can honestly say that I've seen so much phenomena and I've looked at so much of it, and I've seen the best people out there, and I've tested some of the best people out there that I have not seen anything indicative that psychic phenomena is genuine.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you ever heard of anyone who is reasonably believable that has seen anything that counts as psychic phenomena?
- BABanachek
I think you hear that all the time, right? When you see a John Edward on TV or you hear these, these anecdotes and stuff like that, and it's just like you telling me about Eddie. So you telling me that sounds like, "Oh, wow, that person could be really psychic."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BABanachek
But I know that there's probably more going on when that person did that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I'm glad you answered the way you answered because that does make a lot of sense that-
- BABanachek
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you do tell stories and people do forget how the story actually went. The human memory is very flawed.
- BABanachek
Oh, absolutely. I- it's why we can change a person's memory, you know. There's been plenty of experiments that have done on that of, you know, you take a certain group of people... I can't remember what her name is. It's just not coming to me. Um, I have dyslexia a- as well, which is really weird when you see what I do on stage because I work with numbers, I work with names, and I use a lot of mnemonics for these things. So I have a really hard time recalling names and books that I read and stuff like that. I just... It's really hard. It'll come to me, but it takes a while for those things to come back to me.
- JRJoe Rogan
How does dyslexia work? Like what does it... I always thought that it, like, switched things a- the girl I dated in high school had it.
- BABanachek
It does switch things around. Uh, it's one of those things, like if I'm working with numbers, I can't... I don't even... I think what it is is I got so disappointed with numbers when I was young. I love numbers. I love the fact that everything in the world is numbers. I love th- the idea of numbers, of what they do. But I think when I was young I would get so frustrated.Um, even in high school, I, I, and, and, and in middle school, I would do math problems, but I would figure out a way that worked for me to do the math problem. And then the teacher would come up, they'd say like, "Show your work," and I would put it down. And they'd say, "No, that's wrong." I'd go, "But I got the right answer." "Yeah, but that's not the way we do it. You need to do it this way." And the normal way of doing things was extremely difficult for me-
- JRJoe Rogan
But why so? What, what is-
- BABanachek
... so I give up.
- JRJoe Rogan
What happens?
- BABanachek
Well, it does switch, it switches numbers around, you know, and if you're trying to carry numbers-
- JRJoe Rogan
Switches them around.
- BABanachek
... it'll, it, it'll switch letters for me. I'll use words that are the wrong words. Like, I could be talking to you during this podcast, and then I'll listen to the podcast, and I'll go, "Oh, my God, why did I use that word?" You know, I, I had a thing where, um... I'll give you an example, uh, the type of things that happen to me. I have a line when I say, um, in, in some of my shows, where I say, uh, "I, I read thoughts, not minds." What do I mean by that? Husband and wife are sitting on a park bench. Pretty girl goes jogging by. Husband turns his head and looks. Wife slaps the husband in the face. We know what the husband was thinking. We know what the wife was thinking, right? We haven't read their minds, but we do know what their thoughts are. So it's sort of that body language thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BABanachek
And I remember one time doing this for a skeptics group, and I was on stage, and I was like, "Husband and wife are sitting on a park bench. Pretty girl walks by. Husband slaps the wife in the face." So I said it exactly the opposite-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BABanachek
... of the way... And they just thought it was a joke. Like, they thought I, I was being stupid and just, just a joke.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BABanachek
But I do that kind of stuff consistently, and I have a really hard... Like, if you say certain words-
- JRJoe Rogan
But a lot of people do that.
- BABanachek
Yeah, that-
- 8:23 – 16:54
From Randi to teenage ‘PK’: bending metal, hacking the school bell, and muscle reading
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, so y- so you... Is there anybody that, like... I mean, there's the James Randi Challenge, right?
- BABanachek
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Famously, where-
- BABanachek
Yep, yep, which I was in charge of the million dollars, and I tested many psychics for that. I, I'm, I guess what I should do is probably go-
- JRJoe Rogan
You were in charge of it? How so?
- BABanachek
Yeah, well-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like-
- BABanachek
... let's go back to my beginning, so you understand-
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- BABanachek
... how I got here on this journey.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- BABanachek
If that's okay?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, please.
- BABanachek
So, all right. And, um, I'll talk about a couple of personal things in the very beginning. So, I was born in 1960, so I'm, I'm 58 years old, you know, so yeah. Uh, and, uh, I was born in England, left there and came to the United States. My mom divorced my dad in that year, went back to the, to England. And I'm giving you this so you understand where I'm coming from and how I got on this journey. Uh, she had two kids. Uh, we immigrated to South Africa in 1969. She abandoned me in South Africa that time, with my two brothers, a year and three years old. We had a stepfather who was an alcoholic. We saw him maybe on Sundays, maybe, if I drug him in from the car into the house, we would see him then. So I was changing diapers, I was taking care of my brothers, and so forth.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- BABanachek
Uh, and I was there until I was 15 years old. Now, it was during that time that I, I heard a guy by the name of Uri Geller, who was a famous psychic, and he's the first one to claim that he could actually bend objects with his mind, like silverware, and became really famous for it. He was supposedly, uh... They did research with him at Standard, uh, Stanford Research, uh, uh, Stan- uh, Stanford, uh, Stanford Research Institute. Um, and he was using that sort of as an endorsement to say that he was genuine. And one of the things that Geller did was he said if you bring metal objects to the radio, you can get them to bend as well. So, I mean, think about my horso-
- JRJoe Rogan
To the radio?
- BABanachek
To, to... Yeah, because he was on radio.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, like, he was on the radio-
- BABanachek
There was no T-
- JRJoe Rogan
... and he was talking, so he would say that-
- BABanachek
Well, there was no TV there at the time. They had-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BABanachek
... Springbok TV. Uh, they didn't have the actual station, but they were putting it up. And they had TVs in the store at the time, but they were playing Popeye VHS movies back then, you know, on the-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wow.
- BABanachek
... or however they played it back then, but no TV station, so that was the thing. Everybody there listened to the radio. And he's like, "If you bring it to the radio, you can do it with the unleashed powers of your mind. You can get metal to bend."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BABanachek
So I went around the house. I found a little pin in my mom's old sewing sh- kit, and I held it up, and I looked at it, and I stared at it, and I concentrated on it, and it bent. Well, on a micro level. At least I thought it bent. So I convinced myself that it had bent minutely. Uh, and I, I learned that years later, but in my mind, I had got that to happen. From there, I went to Australia to go be with my biological dad, and from there to Colorado. And it was while I was in Colorado that I picked up a book by James, the Amazing Randi. And that book said the truth about Uri Geller... In fact, the book was changed, the name was changed years later to The Truth About Uri- The Truth of Uri Geller from The Magic of Uri Geller, and that book basically said that Uri was a magician posing as a psychic. And no adult had ever told me that before. All the adults that I did know, they believed in Uri, so I believed in it as well. And I learned a valuable lesson. Just because people are in a position of authority, because they're adults, they're older than you, doesn't make everything they say correct-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BABanachek
... which I learnt it, learnt it that way. Um, 'cause keep in mind, I was really socially inept, th- because I was always taking care of my brothers. I had no free time, so I wasn't hanging out with other kids. I wasn't doing those things. I had a great life, don't get me wrong. I had a really great life in South Africa. I did stupid stuff like jumping off bridges, into trains, just so we could get apples, so we would have apples to eat at home, and stuff like that. Jump off the train, take it home, so those were great things. Those were great times, actually. Bel- even though it sounds like it's really sad, it's not. So anyway, I read this book, and, uh, in the book, uh, Randi sort of mentions, alludes to a method for bending a nail. And so I picked... I got some nails. I started creating my own ways. I'm sort of a problem solver. I can... You give me something you want to do-... and I can go ahead and figure out a way to do it. It's why I work for people like Criss Angel and, you know, David Blaine opened his second TV special with one of my effects. And I'm the first person to be buried alive, six feet under the ground, chained and handcuffed in a coffin and dig my way to the surface, which I've done twice and almost died twice doing that. Um, but anyway, getting back on track here. So-
- 16:54 – 18:40
Why he talks fast: working brutal comedy clubs and hostile rooms
- JRJoe Rogan
I've talked to, you know ... I've talked to Penn about magic and about-
- BABanachek
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... illusions, and he's, you know, funny about it, and he laughs and says it's all lies and bullshit.
- BABanachek
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, you know, he makes it seem fun. But the way you described it, it, it became m- a little bit more compelling because you're, you're s- you're seemingly obsessed with it. Like, obviously to get as good as you got at becoming a mentalist, like, you, you had to be. Like, even the way that you rattle off things. You ... there's n- very little pause to you. You stop and start.
- BABanachek
And I talk too fast.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BABanachek
I kno- everybody says, "You talk way too fast."
- JRJoe Rogan
But you don't talk too fast, you just talk fast.
- BABanachek
So ... yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, I can hear you, it's very clear, but that's also what I noticed when you were doing the reading, when we did it in front of the, the crowd of people and you were able to pick out certain things and aspects of their life.
- BABanachek
Yeah. That, that's something that didn't make the air, because it didn't fit the format of the show there.
- JRJoe Rogan
We just didn't have enough time.
- BABanachek
But one of the things-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BABanachek
... what, what, what Joe's talking about is there's a part in the show where I ask people just to think of things.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BABanachek
Um, and then I start getting initials, and then I get names, and then I get, um, yeah, you're, you're actually thinking about your grandmother and how you went on a bike ride with her through certain forests and went to Lake Wallenpaupack, and your birthdate is this and that. And I get birthdays-
- JRJoe Rogan
People are freaking out.
- BABanachek
I get birthdays and stuff there, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BABanachek
Yeah. And f-
- JRJoe Rogan
They were freaki- but what ... the weirdest thing is, like, they, they're also overwhelmed by the fact that you never stop talking.
- BABanachek
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like it just, it just ready, go. (mimics rapid speech) It just keeps coming, they're like, "Huh? What? How do you know that?" And then, "No, no, don't, don't worry about that. We'll get to that in a minute."
- BABanachek
Y- you know where that comes from, Joe? That comes from back in my early days. I, I, um ... well, in the very beginning. Well, let's, let's continue with that story-
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- BABanachek
... because I'll get to-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, please do.
- BABanachek
I'll, I'll get to that, to where I worked the places.
- 18:40 – 35:58
Project Alpha begins: infiltrating a parapsych lab and finding the ‘witch doctor’ wristband
- BABanachek
Um-So from there, I ended up writing Randy a letter, uh, just out of the blue because I was getting a little cocky, I guess, at young... you know, that age because I was getting away with all this stuff. And I wrote Randy-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BABanachek
... a letter. I said, "Look, if you ever need a kid to try to convince scientists that this stuff is real, I would be happy to, so long as I come out and say it's a hoax at the very end."
- JRJoe Rogan
Hm.
- BABanachek
I had a couple of hypotheses. Um, and one of them was that scientists had lamented for years there's no evidence of ESP on a proper scientific control, so... now, this is back in the '80s, because of lack of funding. It was my contention it had nothing to do with funding. It had to do with the scientists were going with a pro-biased opinion and they were documenting their own beliefs rather than using proper science, first of all, to find out if it was even genuine. So they were not pro- using the proper scientific method. They were basically just saying, "I believe this is real. I'm gonna get it on tape or I'm gonna get it to where I can document it so the rest of the world can actually see it."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, okay, I just want me to slow you down. Uh, were they biased towards believing that it was real or fake?
- BABanachek
Yes. No, believing it was real-
- JRJoe Rogan
Huh.
- BABanachek
... because you don't get... usually, you don't get into parapsychology unless you have an interest in it, and usually-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hm.
- BABanachek
... you don't have an interest in it unless you think there's something there, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Do those ghost shows drive you fucking crazy?
- BABanachek
Yeah, they do because I know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Drive me fucking crazy.
- BABanachek
... I, I've actually b-... I've actually been called to work on a couple of them behind the scenes-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BABanachek
... but I always tell them, "No, I can't do it." And I have some friends that have worked on them behind the scenes to try to make some of the investigators freak, and they're using magic tricks to get the investigators freak. And the great thing about those kind of shows is you only need to do one little thing, just something falling off a shelf because it just-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BABanachek
That's all you need, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BABanachek
I mean, it's like, "Yeah, there's a ghost. It fell off the shelf." And it's like-
- JRJoe Rogan
That is a whole half-hour episode.
- BABanachek
And then they play that s-... they play that tape over and over-
- JRJoe Rogan
So dumb.
- BABanachek
... and over again. They show a little shadow or something like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's nothing dumber on television.
- BABanachek
No. No. And, and, and, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Cartoons are smarter.
- BABanachek
And I know for a fact there are people that work behind them, behind those scenes at... fooling those guys. When we work... I work with Criss Angel a lot, all right? Uh, the early days, I worked with him on almost all of his epi- shows. I've done over, uh, uh, 100 episodes of television with Criss. And we... every year, we would do one episode that was a seance episode, that type of thing. And, uh, we brought a group of researchers in, and the moment they got off the bus, we had all this stuff set up and everything else to, to mess with them. The moment they got off the bus, I told my guys, I said, "We're not using any of that. We're just going to use pure psychology with these people." And that's what happened.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why?
- 35:58 – 53:17
How they convinced everyone: bent keys, ‘spontaneous PK,’ switched tags, and break-ins
- BABanachek
So here I am with, uh, Mike Edwards at the airport and we're hitting it off and everything. Uh, Peter Phillips shows up and he's the professor that I mentioned a minute ago who's gonna be doing the investigating of us. Um, and he has this wristband on, and I'm always asking questions, "What's this? What's that?" And I'm always noticing things. And he said it was a wristband that he got from a witch doctor in Africa that helps protect him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BABanachek
So I'm starting to think this might be a little easier than I thought it was gonna be. Because going in, I was like, I didn't know... These guys skeptical? Are they gonna use one-way mirrors? Are they gonna be trying to trick us, catch us? I had no clue. So we get into, uh, we, we, I... We had Peter Phillips' car because Mike was too young to drive a rental. Peter Phillips has a rental, he's in front of us, we're following him. And this is, this is how it all starts, really. I l- I'm sitting there and just kind of like me talking all the time. I'm looking around, I'm always doing something, always noticing something. I look in the back seat and I notice there's a briefcase. I reach in the back and I kind of pull it under the dash.It's locked. And to me, like, if somebody locks something, it means they don't want you inside there, of course, right? But why does anyone is in there? Old briefcase, e- easily can just open the locks. So I pick the locks, open it up. Inside, there's a whole bunch of silverware. So, either this guy's a kleptomaniac or this is the silverware he's going to be using for the experiment. So I start bending it all up, lock the briefcase, put it in the back.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BABanachek
Sit there for about two more minutes, open up the glove compartment. There's some extra keys and things in the glove compartment. I start bending those up.
- JRJoe Rogan
You bent his fucking keys?
- BABanachek
I had... Well, I'm a psychic, right? This stuff-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BABanachek
... this shit, this shit happens, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but what if he needed those keys to get in his house?
- BABanachek
Yeah, but I needed him to be convinced I was genuine.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- BABanachek
Right? So I end up looking over at the car keys that are hanging out, the keys that are hanging out on the car key, out of the ignition. I start to reach over to get them and Mike just looks at me and says, "I think you've done enough. Stop." You know? So... But there's, there's this really interesting phenomena, right? We knew that in the laboratory, everything we did at that point was gonna be on a micro-level. It was gonna be very small because it had to be, because we couldn't make it look like it's a trick. We... It had to look like minute.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BABanachek
And not just that. We didn't know if they were gonna be watching us, like I said, through one-way mirrors-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BABanachek
... and things like that. So there's an interesting phenomena at the time that was called spontaneous PK, and that is stuff that just happens.
- JRJoe Rogan
PK?
- BABanachek
P- psychokinesis. PK is short for psychokinesis.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- BABanachek
Uh, telekinesis, psychokinesis-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BABanachek
... the whole thing. They're all the same thing. Um, so there's these... Things just supposedly happen around these psychics that can bend metal.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BABanachek
Stuff moves, stuff breaks, stuff-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BABanachek
... like that. So, those things were the things that would convince him and keep him holding on, even if we did a big bend out of the laboratory, but not on camera. That's the thing that would keep him going, "I wanna get that on film. I definitely wanna get that on film. I'm gonna document that someday. That's gonna happen in the laboratory." When we ended up getting to the laboratory, all the students at the university were extremely skeptical, very, very skeptical. But they had heard about the spontaneous PK, so they hid things underneath the video recorders. And there was a separate room and they hid all kinds of things everywhere around. I noticed there was stuff hidden. I mean, why is there a recorder hidden under that VCR, you know? Why is there a fork hidden behind that cupboard? Uh, you know, it doesn't belong there. So I started bending up all those things on lunchtime.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BABanachek
And that convinced all the students-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh. (laughs)
- 53:17 – 1:01:09
The producer meltdown: ‘demonic ejaculation’ and the ethics of deception
- BABanachek
Here's the th- y- h- I, I felt bad. And so we were talking to Randy at one point because, um, we did a conference. And there's a kid by the name of Masaaki Kyoda, all right? Uh, from Japan. Masaaki could speak English, he had a band that he was in as well. Um, so he sang English songs and everything. And I'm rooming with him and I say to Masaaki Kyoda, 'cause he's playing it up for real, like, you know, and I say, "Is there any time when you can't do your psychic powers, you use a trick?" And he says, "Oh, can't speak English. Cannot speak English." All of a sudden he couldn't speak English. So we're at this gala, at this, this thing as well, um, and the reason I mention Masaaki is because there was a, uh, TV producer from England that came over and he said to Randy, he said, "Randy, what would convince you that this stuff is genuine?" Randy gave him the same 11 caveats that he gave to the scientist, the same 11 caveats. And, uh, the guy followed them. He sat with me, he sat with Mike, he sat with Masaaki Kyoda. Now, Masaaki had a way for twisting a spoon and basically had a thing in his shoe, he would go down and when nobody was looking, put it in there. But because this guy followed the 11 caveats, nothing happened that day. Absolutely nothing happened until the cameras went off. The moment the cameras went off, Masaaki twisted a spoon and started getting it to twist. The producer had a complete mental breakdown. Now, up to this point, I'm just thinking this is tricks, right? It's not, it's not that big of a deal. He starts screaming, yelling that Randy's evil, should never have listened to Randy, he would have got this on tape if it wasn't for Randy. And he looks down and he's got a wet spot on the front of his pants, and he looks down and he says, "I just had a demonic ejaculation."... like, literally, and he's having this mental breakdown. I go and I have to spend the night, which was not a bad thing, she was quite pleasant, um, to look at his, his assistant. I had to spend the night with her in her room because Randy was calling her... Uh, not Randy, I mean, uh, uh, uh, Tony Edwards was calling her. The producer was calling her consistently, screaming and yelling about Randy. And this scared the fuck out of me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hold the fuck up. You can't just gloss over the fact the guy just nutted in his pants as he was yelling.
- BABanachek
(laughs) He-
- JRJoe Rogan
You're just gonna, like-
- BABanachek
... he had a men-... It's a mental breakdown. I mean, it's a complete-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, how do you-
- BABanachek
... mental breakdown.
- JRJoe Rogan
... how do you orgasm in your pants during a-
- BABanachek
I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
... mental breakdown?
- BABanachek
I didn't do it. He did it.
- JRJoe Rogan
But, uh, you should document that.
- BABanachek
So-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's more impressive than bending a spoon.
- BABanachek
(laughs) I should've said, "Yep, that's my psychic ability working right there."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I mean-
- BABanachek
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... that doesn't make any sense. So he ye-... He tells you-
- BABanachek
Can't tell you. He says-
- JRJoe Rogan
... that he has an ejaculation-
- BABanachek
He says-
- JRJoe Rogan
... in his pants.
- BABanachek
... he, in front of everybody, he says it's a demonic ejaculation.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- BABanachek
He straight up says, "I had-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BABanachek
"... a demonic ejaculation." So-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, seems like a together guy with definitely... Got a head on his shoulders.
- BABanachek
He was a producer for-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
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