Joe Rogan Experience #1165 - Tom Papa

Joe Rogan 0:02 Four, three, two, one. Yee-haw! Tom Papa.

Tom Papa 0:09 Ah!

Joe Rogan 0:10 (sighs) We were just talking about moving in the woods together.

Tom Papa 0:13 (sighs) This feels so good.

Joe Rogan 0:13 Little tiny house with three pairs of shoes, three pairs of pants-

Tom Papa 0:18 Maybe two.

Joe Rogan 0:19 ... two shirts.

Tom Papa 0:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:21 (sighs)

Tom Papa 0:21 That's it. The last clothing you'll ever buy. One coat.

Joe Rogan 0:24 Yeah. Everybody's just out here-

Tom Papa 0:27 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 0:27 ... chasing bigger and better, Tom Papa.

Tom Papa 0:29 Just why? Why?

Joe Rogan 0:31 I, I'm, I'm starting to wonder.

Tom Papa 0:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:33 I was telling you guys that I was looking at this house that is for sale in Northern California in the Redwoods. It's 32-

Tom Papa 0:39 (exhales)

Joe Rogan 0:39 ... no, 320 feet square.

Tom Papa 0:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:42 Tiny-ass fucking house.

Tom Papa 0:43 The whole house?

Joe Rogan 0:44 The whole house. It's got a loft. The loft is where you sleep in.

Tom Papa 0:47 (laughs) A tiny home?

Joe Rogan 0:48 The tiny thing below it is, like, a little tiny kitchen-

Tom Papa 0:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:51 ... and a little tiny, like, couch area-

Tom Papa 0:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:53 ... and that's it.

Tom Papa 0:54 Like a houseboat, like, with, like, built-in things-

Joe Rogan 0:56 Yeah, it's kinda like a houseboat.

Tom Papa 0:57 ... cubbies?

Joe Rogan 0:57 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They make those now.

Tom Papa 0:59 Oh. Think about how simple your life would be.

Joe Rogan 1:02 It would be, but would you be content?

Tom Papa 1:05 (sighs) That's very small.

Joe Rogan 1:07 You'd be great for a little while.

Tom Papa 1:08 That's very small.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:10 360... Yeah, that's... I want to shower-

Joe Rogan 1:14 Like that. Like that. Look at that-

Tom Papa 1:15 That?

Joe Rogan 1:15 ... little tiny house. Aw.

Tom Papa 1:15 That's three... No, come on. That's-

Joe Rogan 1:17 That's not the one, is it?

Tom Papa 1:18 That's bigger than that. That's 1,000 square feet.

Joe Rogan 1:20 320 foot. It says, "320-foot tiny cabin in Big Bear."

Tom Papa 1:23 What?

Joe Rogan 1:24 Aw, that's in Big Bear.

Tom Papa 1:25 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:26 That's attainable.

Tom Papa 1:27 That's bigger than we need.

Joe Rogan 1:28 Is that still for sale?

Tom Papa 1:30 I don't even think so.

Joe Rogan 1:30 Call in this video.

Tom Papa 1:31 Well, there's nothing for sale. It's just, uh, I think I put up last year. Let's chip in today.

Joe Rogan 1:34 320-foot tiny cabin in Big Bear. Amazing small house. Like-

Tom Papa 1:38 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:39 Aw.

Tom Papa 1:40 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:41 You know what we should do, Jamie?

Tom Papa 1:42 So simple.

Joe Rogan 1:43 We should buy that place and turn it into our Big Bear studio. That's what we should do. Do fucking sh- I bet the shows up there, I bet if we did a show-

Tom Papa 1:50 I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:50 ... in Big Bear in the woods like that, it would have a totally different feel to it.

Tom Papa 1:54 Yeah. 'Cause you'd be hearing s- your guests screaming in the background, being mauled by (laughs) mountain lions.

Joe Rogan 2:01 (laughs)

Tom Papa 2:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:02 But if you, if you did (laughs) , if you did do a show up there, how the fuck would you convince people to drive two hours to Big Bear?

Tom Papa 2:08 Couldn't we get there people that are training up there or something like that? Maybe they could pop over and be-

Joe Rogan 2:11 Yeah, yeah. Like four guys.

Tom Papa 2:13 (laughs) A couple of them are on their shows or something.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Gennady Golovkin, Gennady Golovkin and Tito Ortiz would come over every day.

Tom Papa 2:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:17 And then you'd be like, "Okay, I get it. You hate Chuck Liddell."

Tom Papa 2:19 Maybe a snowboard.

Joe Rogan 2:20 "I get it. I get it. Canelo's a pussy. I get it." (laughs)

Tom Papa 2:26 (laughs) I don't know. I mean, the fantasy is that that becomes a simple life. You pare down everything, all the aggravation. You get maybe two bills come to the house.

Joe Rogan 2:34 I'll tell you what.

Tom Papa 2:34 But once you go crazy-

Joe Rogan 2:35 If I didn't have a family, it wouldn't be a problem.

Tom Papa 2:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:38 If, if it was just single Joe-

Tom Papa 2:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:40 ... no family, no kids-

Tom Papa 2:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:42 ... it wouldn't be a problem.

Tom Papa 2:43 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 2:43 I would just go... I mean, I would, I really probably think I would alread- I would already have a place like that up there-

Tom Papa 2:48 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 2:48 ... where I could just go and chill.

Tom Papa 2:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:51 I just think-

Tom Papa 2:52 I was thinking of just a little place like that, like a, like a little hideout next to the house, like Mark Twain had.

Joe Rogan 2:58 Did he have a place like that next to his house?

Tom Papa 3:00 Yes. He had a little, little octagon kind of a pl- room, and he would leave his house with his daughters and his wife, and he would go up the steps and go into his little thing.

Joe Rogan 3:10 Mm.

Tom Papa 3:10 And on this table was just his pipe, uh, a box of cigars, his writing pads, his pens.

Joe Rogan 3:18 Mm.

Tom Papa 3:18 And he just would hang out there and smoke all day, and work, and then he would go back home. Maybe that's enough. Maybe that cuts the edge off. It gives you your isolation and your simplicity. And then you return back to the people you have to feed.

Joe Rogan 3:34 It's a little something.

Tom Papa 3:35 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 3:35 That'll work if you've got the people you have to feed. If you don't have the people-

Tom Papa 3:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:38 ... you have to feed, straight woods, bro.

Tom Papa 3:40 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:41 Cut a path.

Tom Papa 3:42 Well, that's gonna be the real trick. When the kids leave, when they get big enough and they take off-

Joe Rogan 3:47 Right.

Tom Papa 3:47 ... and it's just down to you and your wife.

Joe Rogan 3:49 And then the wife wants to get, like, five dogs.

Tom Papa 3:51 (laughs) Yeah, she's probably-

Joe Rogan 3:52 Right?

Tom Papa 3:52 ... like, encouraging you to go get a cabin.

Joe Rogan 3:54 "Get another dog."

Tom Papa 3:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:55 "Let's get another... I love dogs."

Tom Papa 3:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:57 "Let's rescue a dog. Let's adopt a kid."

Tom Papa 3:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:59 Like, whoa.

Tom Papa 4:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:01 They want to keep you tethered.

Tom Papa 4:03 Well-

Joe Rogan 4:04 Tethered to little things.

Tom Papa 4:05 Th- they're the nester.

Joe Rogan 4:06 Yep.

Tom Papa 4:06 They are the nest. They, they, if they, if the nest is empty, that's their, it's their job. They build that nest once everyone-

Joe Rogan 4:11 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 4:11 ... want everyone in that nest safe-

Joe Rogan 4:13 Yep.

Tom Papa 4:14 ... and it's what they're built to do.

Joe Rogan 4:15 Do you see, do you ever see women that have, like, a bunch of dogs? And you go, like, "You know you want a kid." Right?

Tom Papa 4:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:20 Like, you know you want... Like, they'll say, "Oh, I just don't have the time for a kid."

Tom Papa 4:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:24 Like, wait, how much time do you spend on these fucking dogs?

Tom Papa 4:26 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:27 Like, it's probably pretty close.

Tom Papa 4:29 No, it's just me and my fluffy babies.

Joe Rogan 4:30 Yeah.

Tom Papa 4:31 Me and my just fluffies.

Joe Rogan 4:31 I'm a dog mom.

Tom Papa 4:32 My just fluffy babies.

Joe Rogan 4:34 Mm. What i- but what is it about people that want to further complicate their lives? Like, what is it? Why, why does everybody always want bigger? Is that just a part of the-

Tom Papa 4:43 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 4:44 ... the genes? Is that what it is? Like, what is it?

Tom Papa 4:47 Well, we have, I think, a drive in us to always do more, explore more, push more.

Joe Rogan 4:51 Right.

Tom Papa 4:51 Right? There's something built into human beings that have that. And then we have a system that rewards that in capitalism, so that's the, that's the (clicks tongue) , that's the board game that we're all playing. So, it keeps you racing to get more stuff and bigger house and more things.

Joe Rogan 5:07 Right.

Tom Papa 5:07 You know what I mean? Like, if there was, if that didn't exist, if you weren't able to accumulate that stuff, what would we be doing? We'd still be striving, but for other stuff. But this is our reality, so the... it manifests itself in more cars, a bigger house, you know?

Joe Rogan 5:22 Yeah. It's like you-

Tom Papa 5:23 Fiber optics.

Joe Rogan 5:24 Right. You're always trying-

Tom Papa 5:25 The internet. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:25 You're always trying to survive, but surviving is not that hard today.

Tom Papa 5:30 Right. Good point.

Joe Rogan 5:32 So, so you try to instead, you know, 'cause it's not too complicated to go find your food-

Tom Papa 5:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:37 ... there's not a lot of, like, puzzles and challenges.

Tom Papa 5:41 Shelters taken care of.

Joe Rogan 5:43 Right. So you start thinking, "You know what? (clicks tongue) (sighs) I just need a new car."

Tom Papa 5:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:48 "This car is two years old."

Tom Papa 5:49 Yeah. (laughs) Right?

Joe Rogan 5:53 (laughs)

Tom Papa 5:53 This car's got 20,000 miles on it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:55 It's ridiculous. Why am I driving a car with 20,000 miles on it?

Tom Papa 5:59 This is gross. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:59 It smells like my farts.

Tom Papa 6:00 (laughs) Yeah. No, it makes you... Yeah, you just keep going. But then I think you do that long enough, you start to realize-

Joe Rogan 6:09 ... hopefully, that that stuff doesn't really make you ha- happier. It, it does to an extent, like when you get out of your poor days- Mm-hmm. ... and you kind of, like, get above water and you c- help your family out and you get some stuff you're proud of, but then you just are adding more stress. Yeah. 'Cause your bigger bills and bigger taxes and all the stuff you've got to fill up, it, it actually does the opposite. It makes you more stressed and you're not as happy, and then you gotta kind of strike that balance. It seems like it's, uh ... Jim Carrey has been on

Joe Rogan 6:39 this kick- Mm-hmm. ... explaining that to people, 'cause, you know, Jim Carrey said ... I, I think ... I'm paraphrasing him, but it's, it's ... basically his quote was, "I wish everybody would get rich and famous- (laughs) ... and, uh, they would see that that's not what makes you happy." Right. 'Cause, you know, people think that, "Hey, if I was rich and famous- Yeah. ... I would be happy." Yeah. And he said, "I wish that everyone would get rich and famous so they'd realize that that's not the answer." Yeah. What does he say is the answer? He likes to make paintings shitting on people, mocking them. That seems to make him happy. Oh, is that his art? Yeah, it's like- I know he paints. I didn't know. I'm like, "Hey." (laughs) "Wait a minute, where's the peace and love, bro?" (laughs) Oh really, it's aggressive? His, his paintings are all, like, shitting on people and mocking people- (laughs) Oh, really? ... that are clearly assholes. But, I mean, it's not like he's, like, trying to accentuate the love in the world. He's just- Right. (laughs) ... he's just shitting all over these bad people. (laughs) That makes him happy. Yeah. (laughs) I mean, I don't know. Is that good? Yeah. Is it good to focus on the bad people? Like, does- (laughs) ... does anybody change their opinion based on Jim Carrey's art? Like, does anybody go- I don't know. ... "You know what? I was, like, a big s- Jeff Sessions fan-" Right. (laughs) "... till I saw these paintings." (laughs) And then, yeah. With Jim Carrey's got him with a, a giant fucking wart-covered dick- (laughs) ... holding it out in front of him, jizzing all over the Constitution. (laughs) (laughs) His little Yoda head. Yeah, his little ... Yeah. Uh- Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That's always a question. It's like how much, how much of art that rails against something is effective in changing that thing that you're railing against? Like- I do- ... does it actually have an impact? Is it a slow impact? Does it change over time? I don't know. I think it depends on the art. Here's a, here's an example. I think Tina Fey legitimately changed the way people feel about Sarah Palin. Uh-huh. I think she legitimately may have affected the way people were willing to accept Sarah Palin or vote for her, because her impression of her was so brilliant. Uh-huh. I don't know if people remember it. Oh, yeah. It was so goddamn good. She (laughs) looked exactly like her. She looked like her. Her attitude. And she said things that people eventually attributed to Sarah Palin- (laughs) ... because they thought that Sarah Palin actually said it 'cause Tina Fey said it. Yeah. She, she fucking nailed it. Dude, she's so funny. Her show, uh, Timmy f- uh, Kimmy Schmidt. Have you seen that show, The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt? Yeah, a couple of them. It's one of my favorite shows. Oh, yeah? It's so good. It's- (laughs) It's Tina Fey's show. Yeah, I know. And she's in it sometimes. She plays a, uh- The lead is great. Yeah. Oh, look at her. That just ... Optimistic. I mean, get the fuck outta here. (laughs) That is so crazy. That's so great. (laughs) We're, we're ... right now, the audio folks, we're looking at an image of Tina Fey as Sarah Palin right next to Sarah Palin, and it's fucking indistinguishable almost. (laughs) It's so good. Wow. But did she ... Do you think she affected people who already liked Sarah Palin? They don't ... If you like Sarah Palin, you don't know what you like. (laughs) You're out of your fucking mind. If you (laughs) ... If those people like Sarah Palin, they were out of their fucking minds. They're ... I mean, they're basically- (yawns) ... working with a, uh, less than functional brain. She was- If you thought that that was a good idea that that lady could be running things- Yeah, like that close to (laughs) being president. She was a construct, too, you know. She was an entertainer. But not ... No, but I mean, Sarah Palin was a construct. She wasn't what everybody thought she was. Like, there was, like, there was one, uh ... There's this story. I don't ... I, I'm not 100% sure this is true, but it makes sense. Mm-hmm. That someone shot a caribou and then they drove her to the caribou, they gave her the rifle, and she stood over the caribou and took photos. Uh-huh. So that they could show, hey, she's a hunter. Right. She's like us, us regular folk, out here hunting caribou. Yeah. Find out if that's true. Just a- You gonna Google that? ... public relations kind of thing? Yeah, I need to ... We need to Google if that's true. Weird. Clarification. I, I believe it, you know. Yeah, of course. You know, that's all ... That's the way all that stuff is. But do I believe it 'cause I want to believe it? Am I an asshole? Hmm. Um- Maybe she's just a good, down- Well, you're ... I wouldn't say you're an asshole, but- Maybe she's a good, down-home woman. (laughs) Yeah. Hey, look, she was the governor of Alaska. That's easy. I could be the governor of Alaska too. (laughs) You have to have ... She had showbiz. Okay, Sarah Palin shoots- So you can count that. ... caribou after missing five times. Shown shooting a caribou on the latest episode of her reality television show. Okay. Yeah. What's amazing- Wow. ... is how that she really fell off, like- Wait a minute. Is she just shooting it freehand? She ha- ... She doesn't have a rest? Okay. Why, why would you do that? (laughs) Okay, lemme see. She's on- Let's sh- show this. Lemme see how she does. Okay, this is fucking stupid. Listen, folks, the only reason to do this ... Does she have a rest? She ha- ... She's freehanding this. How f- ... Okay. Lookit, they got the packs on it. (laughs) Now she's gonna rest it. Hmm. I don't- They said a rest is fine. A tiny little caribou, too. That car- ... That's why the caribou is still around. She's just firing. That's who- That's a, that's a juvenile caribou. No, she hasn't shot yet. Let's see. What we got here? I think she has. Yeah. Oh, it went down. She, she took some shots. Oh, she took- Yeah. ... took some shots and missed? Yeah. Okay, that's why. So she freehanded it first and then she needed a rest. She should've used the rest immediately. And I've, I've shot animals freehanding but not ... never far away. I shot a moose at 60 yards, freehanded. What's wrong with freehanding it? 'Cause you're not as accurate. Yeah. You know, with, with a bow-... well, a bow is more accurate. Um, ho- honestly, a bow, I'm more accurate with a bow at, like, 60, 70 yards freehand. Not more accurate, but in the range-

Tom Papa 12:21 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:22 ... than I am with a rifle. With a rifle, when you get out, you could shoot accurately on a rest, like way out longer distances. But when you're just holding it up like that, it's based on y- I mean, you gotta kinda lock it into your body, but it's hard to-

Tom Papa 12:35 But isn't a bow-

Joe Rogan 12:35 ... keep it steady. Now a bow, the thing is about the tension of the bow.

Tom Papa 12:39 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:39 Your arm is kinda locked out and the tension of the bow, you could keep-

Tom Papa 12:43 It's-

Joe Rogan 12:43 ... your arm pretty fucking steady.

Tom Papa 12:44 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 12:45 And I practice it every day like that.

Tom Papa 12:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:48 So I'm practicing keeping my arm very steady every day, so all these stabilizer muscles in my shoulder are very strong.

Tom Papa 12:54 And having a gun out there is just like, "Woo."

Joe Rogan 12:55 It's just a little (clears throat) it's a l- and also, there's like the recoil. If you're not used to shooting, and it doesn't look like she's used to shooting.

Tom Papa 13:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:02 She didn't immediately go for the rest. Like a- a- a seasoned hunter would have either lain prone or throw their pack down immediately, put that rifle over it and settle in.

Tom Papa 13:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:13 So the rifles resting on something.

Tom Papa 13:14 Gotcha.

Joe Rogan 13:15 But, you know, but a lot of times, they'll bring, like, sticks-

Tom Papa 13:18 But they-

Joe Rogan 13:18 ... and a pod.

Tom Papa 13:19 But they also weren't making a, uh, reality show for TLC.

Joe Rogan 13:22 See, but-

Tom Papa 13:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:23 See, what I've read though, that there was a photo shoot they did. See, see if you can find this.

Guest 13:28 This shot, this shot's fake. Do you think that the shot she-

Tom Papa 13:29 Why do you think it's fake?

Guest 13:30 Well, they just put a circle around the caribou-

Joe Rogan 13:32 Yeah, but that's just-

Guest 13:33 ... and just put Crosshairs on it.

Joe Rogan 13:33 ... for the, for the filming. They're... The caribou definitely went down.

Tom Papa 13:37 What, somebody-

Joe Rogan 13:37 You can see... Yeah, but n- I mean, I don't think she shot it and it went down. I think it's most likely she shot it and it went down. 'Cause you see the way she's reacting and everybody else is reacting? That seems pretty real to me.

Guest 13:48 All right.

Joe Rogan 13:48 Look, it's not impossible to shoot an animal, especially... That's a juvenile caribou. The- see how-

Tom Papa 13:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:53 ... little their antlers are?

Tom Papa 13:54 He's like, "Hey, guys, what are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 13:56 Yeah. This is what w- you would call... Like, if that was an elk, you would call that a spike.

Guest 13:59 I-

Tom Papa 13:59 "Hey, look, it's people."

Guest 14:00 I'm just thinking about the production here. Like, there's one camera on her. Mm-hmm. And then there's one behind them, but that means that they then have a third that's focused just on the animal? And then it means there's three camera guys-

Tom Papa 14:12 Mm-hmm.

Guest 14:12 ... out there with them. That just sounds like a- a lot.

Tom Papa 14:14 Yeah, and the caribou's-

Joe Rogan 14:15 It's a good point.

Guest 14:15 ... like-

Tom Papa 14:15 "Hey, I'm gonna be on TV."

Joe Rogan 14:17 That's a good point. They might have recreated the, uh, the shot. It's po-

Tom Papa 14:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:21 It's possible. Yeah, it's... You know what, man? The r- the reality is, whenever you're dealing with-

Guest 14:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:26 ... air quote, "Reality shows"-

Tom Papa 14:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:29 ... there's massive fuckery involved.

Tom Papa 14:31 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:31 You know?

Tom Papa 14:32 And editing and p- please. But, uh, back to whether you could affect it, whether or not the art can affect the-

Joe Rogan 14:39 Yeah.

Tom Papa 14:39 ... the people-

Guest 14:40 That-

Tom Papa 14:40 What you think of people.

Guest 14:41 ... I think that affects it.

Tom Papa 14:41 Yeah. I mean, what Trump did during the election, he liked calling people out and mocking them. He really-

Joe Rogan 14:47 Yeah, but that's-

Guest 14:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:47 Is that art? (laughs)

Tom Papa 14:48 No, that's not art, but he was kind of like a- like a Long Island comedian, like a-

Joe Rogan 14:53 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 14:53 ... insult comic.

Joe Rogan 14:54 Yeah.

Tom Papa 14:54 You know?

Joe Rogan 14:54 Yeah.

Tom Papa 14:54 He was just, like, going after these guys-

Guest 14:56 Crazy Ted.

Tom Papa 14:57 Crazy Ted and-

Guest 14:57 Yeah.

Tom Papa 14:57 ... the little water guy-

Joe Rogan 14:59 Lying Hillary.

Tom Papa 14:59 ... and, I mean, he was doing an act.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Yeah.

Tom Papa 15:00 It was very much entertainment.

Joe Rogan 15:02 Well, Lying Ted, Crazy Hillary, Crazy Bernie... no.

Tom Papa 15:06 Crooked Hillary.

Joe Rogan 15:06 Crooked Hillary and Crazy Bernie.

Guest 15:08 He's gonna defend Ted, he said, at a big rally.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Defend him?

Guest 15:11 Yeah, he's- they-

Joe Rogan 15:12 For what?

Guest 15:12 For the- the Texas, uh, thing he's in. He's-

Joe Rogan 15:16 What are you talking about?

Guest 15:17 He's, uh... Pat... I'll pull it up right now.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Oh, he in a race?

Tom Papa 15:18 Pocahontas?

Guest 15:19 Yeah, he's in a race right now with, uh... I forget the guy's name. It's Betty O'Rourke or Patty O'R... no, I'll pull it up, hold on.

Joe Rogan 15:25 Okay, so he's defending him?

Guest 15:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:27 In what way?

Guest 15:27 He's gonna have a big ra- he's gonna hold a big rally for him.

Joe Rogan 15:29 Oh.

Tom Papa 15:29 Oh.

Guest 15:30 He's gonna create this-

Tom Papa 15:30 Pocahontas?

Joe Rogan 15:32 ... after they talk so much shit about each other, then they...

Tom Papa 15:34 Who, Cruz?

Joe Rogan 15:35 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 15:35 Is that what he said?

Guest 15:36 Yeah.

Tom Papa 15:37 Yeah, after he says his father was, uh-

Joe Rogan 15:38 (laughs)

Tom Papa 15:38 ... killed Kennedy or something. (laughs)

Guest 15:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:40 Yeah, he said his father was the Zodiac Killer.

Tom Papa 15:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:43 "I will be doing a major rally for Senator Ted Cruz in October. I'm picking the biggest stadium in Texas we can find."

Tom Papa 15:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:48 "As you know, Ted has m- my complete and total Endorsement." I like how he wrote Endorsement with a capital E.

Tom Papa 15:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:54 "His opponent is a disaster for Texas. Weak on Second Amendment, crime, borders, military, and vets." He's... You know, there was an article yesterday showing all the times that Trump has been lying and it's stunning. But one of the more recent ones was, uh... He was... You know, he did a- an interview where he was, uh, talking about... Goddammit. (slaps thigh)

Tom Papa 16:19 (smacks lips) Lester Holt.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Um... Lester Holt. That's right. It was Lester Holt.

Tom Papa 16:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:21 And, you know, he was saying that they fudged that interview and it cost them badly.

Tom Papa 16:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:25 And so then they played the transcript. They wrote... They showed the transcript of the interview. They released the full interview.

Tom Papa 16:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:31 Like, there's no fudging.

Tom Papa 16:32 No, they just played it as is.

Joe Rogan 16:34 Yeah, like, what are you talking about?

Tom Papa 16:36 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Like-

Tom Papa 16:36 He-

Joe Rogan 16:37 ... but he said stuff-

Tom Papa 16:38 He said-

Joe Rogan 16:38 ... like that.

Tom Papa 16:39 Yeah. Right. He said (laughs) ... he says, "What you saw is not real. The truth is not the truth." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:44 Well, that was what Giuliani said.

Tom Papa 16:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:46 What-

Tom Papa 16:46 But that's their... But that's what they're... That... Just nothing's real except what I tell you is real.

Joe Rogan 16:51 Well, I just think that they've realized that there's a certain percentage of the people that are with them that just need some wiggle room.

Tom Papa 16:59 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 16:59 They just need somewhere t- argue. They just need-

Tom Papa 17:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:01 ... some conspiracy threat. They're not thinkers.

Tom Papa 17:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:04 They just need a little bit of something that they can run with and use to argue.

Tom Papa 17:08 So if comedians come out and attack Trump and, you know, there's comics that are... you know, Bill Maher and all these people that come out and really go against him, does it have any effect?

Joe Rogan 17:18 It has an effect.

Tom Papa 17:19 It does?

Joe Rogan 17:19 Yes, for sure. I think Alec Baldwin has the most effect.

Tom Papa 17:22 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 17:22 That- that impression he does.

Tom Papa 17:23 When he does the impression of him? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:25 That- that impression's brilliant.

Tom Papa 17:26 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:27 It's very good. (laughs)

Tom Papa 17:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:28 I mean, it makes Trump angry, too.

Tom Papa 17:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:30 If Trump keeps shitting on it-

Tom Papa 17:31 And he keeps watching it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:32 (laughs)

Tom Papa 17:32 He can't stop watching it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:34 That alone has an effect.

Tom Papa 17:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:37 You know?

Tom Papa 17:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:38 But it's, uh... It's- it's like I've never seen a time where people are more angry at the press and, like, uh-

Tom Papa 17:45 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 17:46 ... g- going along with the- the conspiracy thread of the deep state-

Tom Papa 17:50 Yeah, oh my God.

Joe Rogan 17:51 ... you know, the deep state trying to take out the POTUS.

Tom Papa 17:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:54 I love how they call him POTUS, too. It's fucking Donald Trump. Stop.

Tom Papa 17:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:59 You know, "No, no, no. POTUS is..." You know, this and that, he's gonna do this and clean the swamp. Like, what?

Tom Papa 18:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:04 It's Donald Trump. Like, why you- why you saying POTUS?

Tom Papa 18:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:07 Just say... If you wanna say Trump, that's fine. You wanna say President Trump, that's fine, too. If you wanna call him POTUS, you're doing some sneaky shit there.

Tom Papa 18:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:15 I'm not sure what you're doing-

Guest 18:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:16 ... but I don't like it.

Tom Papa 18:17 Any time you use code words, I'm out.

Joe Rogan 18:19 (laughs)

Tom Papa 18:19 "I don't like what you're doing there."

Joe Rogan 18:20 Yeah. Agent 99.

Guest 18:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:22 Tsk, POTUS. Get out of here with POTUS.

Tom Papa 18:25 You and the-

Joe Rogan 18:25 You know?

Tom Papa 18:26 ... POTUS, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:26 I like how he wears a hat that says 45 on it.

Tom Papa 18:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:30 "That's me."... 45th president.

Tom Papa 18:32 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 18:32 He gets his own hats made.

Tom Papa 18:33 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:34 Who the fuck- what other presidents had hats made?

Tom Papa 18:36 I know. He has merch. (laughs) He's selling merch after the show.

Joe Rogan 18:40 He's like Ingrid Glase's.

Tom Papa 18:40 I'm gonna be signing in the lobby. (laughs) I'll be signing stuff in the lobby.

Joe Rogan 18:43 (laughs)

Tom Papa 18:44 I got painters caps, bumper stickers.

Joe Rogan 18:46 Look at this. Looking for a gift? Is this the Trump-

Tom Papa 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:49 This is a good way to get assaulted. Official merch page. If you just wear one of these in a vegan restaurant, you're sure to get punched.

Tom Papa 18:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:56 These, uh, do you see that-

Tom Papa 18:56 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 18:57 ... that guy's gonna get indicted, that guy that pulled the hat off of, uh, some kids and threw a drink on them, in a, a Whatta- Whataburger, is that what it was? Right.

Tom Papa 19:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:05 The guy in Texas. Yeah, some, um, some dude saw some... There, he's got the 45 hats. Hilarious.

Tom Papa 19:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:13 Official. It's only $185. On sale too.

Tom Papa 19:16 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:17 $50,000. Buy it, stupid.

Tom Papa 19:20 (laughs) Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:21 (laughs) One of a kind. It's on sale.

Tom Papa 19:24 It's merch.

Joe Rogan 19:24 It used to be $28, now it's $16.80.

Tom Papa 19:26 You can get my DVD, you can get a bi- (laughs) You can get a- a digital download of my speech tonight.

Joe Rogan 19:31 How did he- how did he go from $28 to $16.80? Like, I wanna be in the room with that conversation.

Tom Papa 19:36 (laughs) Like, "What do you wanna ch- what do you wanna charge?" "$17.38." "No." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:41 "Less." "Okay." Let me e- I'll tell you. "$16.90." "No, too close to $17."

Tom Papa 19:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:49 $40. He says, "$40." $40? Oh, it just says USA. It must be a- a good seller. How does he- (laughs) People love USA. (laughs) How does he get that trademark? Trump on the back.

Tom Papa 19:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:57 That is fucking hilarious. 45 on the side, Trump in the back. $40 for a hat.

Tom Papa 20:02 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 20:02 They, if they f- find that you bought that, they put you on a very special list of morons-

Tom Papa 20:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:09 (laughs) ... that they count on whenever there's a rally. Like, if they're gonna, like, have a- like a- a fake Hillary in a jail cell and they're gonna throw her through a parade.

Tom Papa 20:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:18 You know, like, have her on a cart and carry her through a parade.

Tom Papa 20:21 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 20:22 You don't want President Pence... Listen, you know, I mean, people that are not happy with Trump-

Tom Papa 20:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:29 ... you gotta understand, you get him out, it's not like you get Hillary in. This doesn't work that way.

Tom Papa 20:34 (laughs) You get-

Joe Rogan 20:34 That's right, no-

Tom Papa 20:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:35 ... Bernie doesn't come o- at- in out of the hallway.

Tom Papa 20:37 No. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:40 Yeah. I don't know. Wouldn't you rather have Pence?

Tom Papa 20:43 Um-

Joe Rogan 20:44 I know people say that, but I just want (laughs) someone- someone normal. I want someone that-

Tom Papa 20:48 Oh, Pence is not normal.

Joe Rogan 20:49 Yeah.

Tom Papa 20:49 Did you see what Ben S- um, Ben Shapiro wrote? He, he put a tweet up with a picture of the lady from The Handmaid's Tale- (laughs) Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 20:57 (laughs)

Tom Papa 20:57 ... when Trump is in deep trouble and he wrote, "Prepare for Pence."

Joe Rogan 21:00 Oh, no. (laughs)

Tom Papa 21:05 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 21:05 (laughs) He's a fucking legit religious nut.

Tom Papa 21:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:09 Over the top, won't be alone in a room with a woman.

Tom Papa 21:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:13 Yeah.

Tom Papa 21:13 How about Romney? Remember Romney?

Joe Rogan 21:16 He's a Mormon. But-

Tom Papa 21:16 I just saw him on Jay Leno's show.

Joe Rogan 21:18 He seems like a reasonable guy. I just-

Tom Papa 21:20 He looks very presidential.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Yeah.

Tom Papa 21:21 He's got cool president hair.

Joe Rogan 21:23 I gotta be honest.

Tom Papa 21:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:23 He seems- Romney seems like a reasonable man.

Tom Papa 21:26 He seems kind, he seems like he respects-

Joe Rogan 21:29 And he's a nutty-

Tom Papa 21:29 ... morals.

Joe Rogan 21:29 ... he's a nutty Mormon, for sure.

Tom Papa 21:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:32 You know why? 'Cause all Mormons are nutty Mormons. Just being a Mormon's nutty, but-

Tom Papa 21:35 They changed the name. You don't call them Mormons anymore.

Joe Rogan 21:37 I know, we were talking about that yesterday.

Tom Papa 21:38 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 21:39 They rebranded to Latter-Day Saints.

Tom Papa 21:41 Yeah, rebranded. That's right.

Joe Rogan 21:41 And calling them a Mormon is like calling a small person a midget.

Tom Papa 21:44 Oh, is it?

Joe Rogan 21:45 Yes.

Narrator 21:45 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 21:46 So, so a compliment?

Joe Rogan 21:47 No!

Tom Papa 21:48 Oh!

Joe Rogan 21:48 Tom!

Tom Papa 21:49 I keep, I keep forgetting what to call him.

Joe Rogan 21:50 Damn it.

Tom Papa 21:51 Adorable?

Joe Rogan 21:52 You are so not PC.

Tom Papa 21:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:54 Are you on PC Twitter?

Tom Papa 21:55 Good luck.

Joe Rogan 21:56 You need to get on PC Twitter.

Tom Papa 21:58 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 21:58 Zuh, zuh.

Tom Papa 22:01 Hey, can I announce my new show?

Joe Rogan 22:03 No.

Tom Papa 22:03 Come on.

Joe Rogan 22:04 No, it's not worth it.

Tom Papa 22:05 It's big.

Joe Rogan 22:06 No, it's too dangerous.

Tom Papa 22:07 You spawned it.

Joe Rogan 22:07 You're taking a chance.

Tom Papa 22:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:09 Why are you doing this?

Tom Papa 22:12 I know, right? Exactly.

Joe Rogan 22:13 (laughs)

Tom Papa 22:14 I'll be fired before it starts.

Joe Rogan 22:15 The risks.

Tom Papa 22:16 He a- he announced the show on Rogan and then he was canceled by the time he got off.

Joe Rogan 22:20 'Cause... "They were talking about midgets?' 'They're assholes and Mormons are wonderful people.' "

Tom Papa 22:27 (laughs) It's true, once you have a boss.

Joe Rogan 22:30 Yeah.

Tom Papa 22:31 No, my show starts Monday night.

Joe Rogan 22:32 The bread show?

Tom Papa 22:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:33 What's it called?

Tom Papa 22:34 Baked.

Joe Rogan 22:35 Ooh, I like it. Baked.

Tom Papa 22:36 It's baked. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 22:37 Oh, look how handsome you look.

Tom Papa 22:39 It started here, Joe. The whole thing started here.

Joe Rogan 22:42 I like how you have a subtle smile. It's like, "I'm happy, but, you know, I'm pretty serious about bread."

Tom Papa 22:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:47 (laughs)

Tom Papa 22:47 You know the re- the real reason I do that? I look awful when I just show my teeth.

Joe Rogan 22:50 No, you don't.

Tom Papa 22:51 Yeah, it looks a little-

Joe Rogan 22:51 You don't! You look great!

Tom Papa 22:53 (laughs) I got this weird Joker smile.

Joe Rogan 22:55 No, you don't. Totally.

Tom Papa 22:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:57 Y- if you just- just embrace it.

Tom Papa 23:00 I am. But-

Joe Rogan 23:01 I li- I like all that bread behind you. It looks amazing.

Tom Papa 23:02 I know, isn't it amazing?

Joe Rogan 23:03 I'm in ketosis right now.

Tom Papa 23:05 Well, I knew that.

Joe Rogan 23:06 I can't be eating that.

Tom Papa 23:07 The show s- the show starts this Monday night at 10 o'clock East, and we were doing New York and Detroit.

Joe Rogan 23:12 Damn.

Tom Papa 23:12 Jim Gaffigan joins me in the New York one.

Joe Rogan 23:14 Damn.

Tom Papa 23:15 It's all very cool.

Joe Rogan 23:16 Damn.

Tom Papa 23:16 So, every Monday through September, all because of this show-

Joe Rogan 23:18 Damn.

Tom Papa 23:18 ... and your badass fans.

Joe Rogan 23:20 Great.

Tom Papa 23:20 That's, I- I'm... Honestly, that is why this is happening.

Joe Rogan 23:23 That's awesome.

Tom Papa 23:23 It's because I talked about bread on this show.

Joe Rogan 23:25 That's fucking great, man.

Tom Papa 23:26 But I knew you were in, uh... Probably in keto, but I, you know, I always like to bring a treat.

Joe Rogan 23:31 What'd you bring? What's this?

Tom Papa 23:33 I didn't want to, uh, come empty-handed.

Joe Rogan 23:36 Ooh, what is it, sticks of butter?

Tom Papa 23:38 It's for Murphy.

Joe Rogan 23:38 Oh, it's bone marrow.

Tom Papa 23:40 It's elk.

Joe Rogan 23:41 Oh, my goodness. So-

Tom Papa 23:42 Elk antlers for-

Joe Rogan 23:44 Can I eat this?

Tom Papa 23:44 You can't.

Joe Rogan 23:45 No. Your dog can.

Tom Papa 23:46 It's for Murph.

Joe Rogan 23:47 (laughs)

Tom Papa 23:47 Marshall, you mean. I mean Marshall.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Yeah.

Tom Papa 23:49 I thought it was Murph.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Oh, he'll go crazy with these.

Tom Papa 23:51 Yeah. They're, uh...

Joe Rogan 23:52 Dude, that's like one of those. Just sawed off.

Tom Papa 23:53 My dog went crazy over those. Did you ever give, give your dog them?

Joe Rogan 23:57 Yeah. Yeah, he's got one at home right now.

Tom Papa 23:58 He does?

Joe Rogan 23:59 Yeah, he's got some sort of an antler. He loves it.

Tom Papa 24:01 Loves it.

Joe Rogan 24:01 They go crazy.

Tom Papa 24:03 But-

Joe Rogan 24:03 They just chew all the- the marrow out over time.

Tom Papa 24:06 Yeah. You look so happy when you're with your dog.

Joe Rogan 24:08 Oh, I love that dog.

Tom Papa 24:09 You look so happy.

Joe Rogan 24:10 He's my little buddy.

Tom Papa 24:11 He's just pure joy. And the dog looks happy.

Joe Rogan 24:13 Well, he loves running. And, you know, you get a dog out in nature, he's so... And he's, like, the best dog I've ever had-

Tom Papa 24:20 Really?

Joe Rogan 24:20 ... in terms of, like, listening and coming to you and-

Tom Papa 24:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:23 ... always checking to make sure you... 'Cause he's a retriever.

Tom Papa 24:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:26 You know, so he's, like, super in tune with you.

Tom Papa 24:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:28 Like, he's- he's so fun. Like, when I come home, the first thing he does, he sees me, wags his tail, comes up to me, and then he runs, grabs a toy-

Tom Papa 24:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:36 ... puts it in his mouth, and then comes back to me.... like he's retrieving something.

Tom Papa 24:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:40 Like, he has these instincts to bring something to me.

Tom Papa 24:43 My black lab has the same thing.

Joe Rogan 24:44 Yeah, well-

Tom Papa 24:45 Same thing.

Joe Rogan 24:45 ... retrieves, yeah.

Tom Papa 24:45 And I always feel bad that if I don't have time to, like, play and start tugging with her, because she's just like, "It's, you're here."

Joe Rogan 24:51 Yeah.

Tom Papa 24:51 "Let's go, let's play."

Joe Rogan 24:52 Yeah, let's do it.

Tom Papa 24:52 And when you don't, you have to work and you get on the phone or whatever, and they just, like, lay on the ground like-

Joe Rogan 24:57 Yeah.

Tom Papa 24:57 ... "Oh, I'm-"

Joe Rogan 24:59 I came home, uh-

Tom Papa 25:00 "You're an adult." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:01 ... the other night at, like, 1:00 in the morning, you know, from The Comedy Store.

Tom Papa 25:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:04 And, uh, I sat on the couch to start writing. And, uh, Marshall just comes over and goes, "Dude, what's going on? What are we doing?"

Tom Papa 25:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:10 It's like, like a roommate. Like, "What's happening? You're up?"

Tom Papa 25:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:13 "This is crazy. Everybody else is asleep."

Tom Papa 25:16 They've been asleep for hours.

Joe Rogan 25:16 "What are we doing? Are you just gonna fuck around on the laptop? All right, I'm gonna lie down right here."

Tom Papa 25:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:20 He just slides down.

Tom Papa 25:21 It's the best. There is a great feeling when you're writing and the dog is right next to you.

Joe Rogan 25:25 Yeah.

Tom Papa 25:25 Right?

Joe Rogan 25:25 Still, 'til those, those fucking farts hit you.

Tom Papa 25:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:28 Like, "Whoa, dude. Did you eat a rat outside or something? What happened?"

Tom Papa 25:32 Well, I-

Joe Rogan 25:33 Whoo.

Tom Papa 25:34 I hope he enjoys the elk.

Joe Rogan 25:35 Thank you, man. That's awesome.

Tom Papa 25:36 You're welcome.

Joe Rogan 25:37 Yeah, he's the best. Best dog I've ever had. Well, now once I-

Tom Papa 25:40 I, I gotta find good trails.

Joe Rogan 25:41 I take that back. Johnny Cash was an awesome dog too. Like, look at that face. He's just lying on his back.

Tom Papa 25:45 Yeah, so happy.

Joe Rogan 25:46 He's such a happy dog.

Tom Papa 25:47 (laughs) Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 25:49 Yeah. Like, you can't fake that.

Tom Papa 25:49 My dog would be happy like that if I could find some good trails. I don't have good trails.

Joe Rogan 25:53 Ah, just take him to, uh, Runyon or something, you know?

Tom Papa 25:55 He going, "Can he just run up Runyon?"

Joe Rogan 25:57 Yeah, you just gotta be careful of other people's dogs. Like, Marshall got bit by one... Someone's dog once. You know, some people just have dogs that are just not that well, uh, you know-

Tom Papa 26:06 Socialized.

Joe Rogan 26:06 ... socialized.

Tom Papa 26:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:08 Yeah, but if you, uh, you know, you have them on a leash for the most part, or you find a good spot where you don't have to have them on a leash-

Tom Papa 26:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:15 ... you know, that's great. It's just-

Tom Papa 26:16 That's what I wanna do.

Joe Rogan 26:17 Other dogs are the issue.

Tom Papa 26:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:19 And snakes.

Tom Papa 26:20 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 26:21 Rattlesnakes. (clears throat) Rattlesnakes, you have to be very careful of around-

Tom Papa 26:24 All right.

Joe Rogan 26:24 ... around us out here.

Tom Papa 26:25 You guys go up, you're running.

Joe Rogan 26:27 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 26:27 Dog gets bit by a rattlesnake.

Joe Rogan 26:29 Take him to the hospital.

Tom Papa 26:29 You're a quarter mile from base camp.

Joe Rogan 26:31 He'll be okay. The dog's be way better off than people. Uh-

Tom Papa 26:34 You can run back with him?

Joe Rogan 26:35 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You take them back.

Tom Papa 26:37 It won't circulate?

Joe Rogan 26:37 I might have to carry him. Eh, I mean, I might have to carry him because it's really steep. The stuff that we run on is, like, literally, like, super fucking steep.

Tom Papa 26:46 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 26:46 Yeah. It's, uh, it's basically the, the last 3/4 of a mile is all uphill.

Tom Papa 26:53 Oof.

Joe Rogan 26:53 Yeah, and it's fucking brutal, but it's great on the legs and the ass. You feel my ass

Guest 26:57 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 26:57 ... moving up there on the top, by my ass shell.

Tom Papa 26:59 Well, happy Labor Day.

Joe Rogan 27:00 It's getting kicked, bro.

Tom Papa 27:01 But I thought when you got hit by a rattler, you're supposed to, like, not move, that's-

Joe Rogan 27:05 No, you gotta get out of there. You gotta get to medical attention. I mean...

Tom Papa 27:07 You gotta go.

Joe Rogan 27:08 What, what it does is... Here's the thing. You can't suck the venom out. This is what people think, right?

Tom Papa 27:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:13 People think, "Oh, you just cut it and suck the venom out." This is what rattlesnake venom does. What it does is it digests your skin.

Tom Papa 27:21 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 27:21 It digests your flesh.

Tom Papa 27:22 The venom does?

Joe Rogan 27:23 Yes, it causes necrosis. So what it, what it essentially is doing is digesting you with venom.

Tom Papa 27:30 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 27:30 This is the way they kill rabbits and, and things with the, that they eat and swallow. They bite them and then they, they kill them, this venom, and it starts to digest the flesh. And then they swallow it whole and it aids in their processing of this animal.

Tom Papa 27:45 Wait a minute.

Joe Rogan 27:46 Whoa.

Guest 27:47 Dead ahead.

Tom Papa 27:47 So it... (laughs) So the snake hits-

Joe Rogan 27:49 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 27:50 ... a rat.

Joe Rogan 27:50 Yep.

Tom Papa 27:51 If he were to take his mouth off after five minutes, it would have been partially digested?

Joe Rogan 27:56 Yes.

Tom Papa 27:57 Is that what you're saying?

Joe Rogan 27:57 The tissue inside starts-

Tom Papa 27:58 It's literally eating-

Joe Rogan 27:59 ... starts digesting.

Tom Papa 28:01 Ew.

Joe Rogan 28:01 Yeah, it starts, it starts decomposing and digesting. So when you get bit by a rattlesnake, a lot of times you need massive skin grafts and, um, you have, like, massive tissue loss and necrosis.

Tom Papa 28:14 Ew.

Joe Rogan 28:14 This one guy documented, um, he got bit on the arm and they had to Medevac him out in a helicopter, and then he had to go through a long series of operations to repair his arm.

Tom Papa 28:26 Geez.

Joe Rogan 28:26 With, like, mesh and skin grafts and all these different things, and it still was fucked up. Like, years later, his arm was fucked up.

Tom Papa 28:34 So if you didn't get medical attention, why would you die?

Joe Rogan 28:37 Well-

Tom Papa 28:37 Like, what... It would just spread through your organs?

Joe Rogan 28:40 Yeah, I, I don't exactly know. You, you might survive, uh, a rattlesnake bite if you didn't get medical attention-

Tom Papa 28:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:47 ... if it wasn't the, the most amount of venom. The real scary thing is young ones.

Tom Papa 28:51 Young?

Joe Rogan 28:52 Young rattlesnakes just empty out on you.

Tom Papa 28:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:54 It's just like young, young boys. (laughs)

Tom Papa 28:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:59 Like, you know, first time you ever nutted.

Tom Papa 29:00 Yeah, pace yourself, young fella.

Joe Rogan 29:01 You're like, "Whoa, where's all this coming from?" And you've been storing it up, you don't know how to control it.

Tom Papa 29:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:05 The, uh, that's how it is with, uh-

Tom Papa 29:07 You want the old rattlesnake-

Joe Rogan 29:08 ... the young rattlesnakes, yeah.

Tom Papa 29:08 ... where it's just one drop, it's done. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:09 Yeah, like, 80-year-old man. (groans) Bam.

Guest 29:11 Bink. (laughs)

Tom Papa 29:11 Bam.

Joe Rogan 29:14 So if you-

Guest 29:15 Bink. (laughs)

Tom Papa 29:15 If you have a, you know, the difference between, like, an 18-year-old fella shooting arc, as Bill Hicks would say, "Arcing ropes of jism."

Guest 29:23 (laughs)

Tom Papa 29:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:24 Versus, uh, a rattlesnake that's, like, thick like a fucking... Like a tree trunk.

Tom Papa 29:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Those... I ran over one once.

Tom Papa 29:30 (laughs) Ooh.

Joe Rogan 29:31 This is crazy. I was running with my... Not the last dogs that are deceased, but my dogs before that.

Tom Papa 29:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:38 When I used to have pit bulls. And we ran over what I thought was a, a large stick in the road, in the trail. And as I'm running over it in the air, I realize it is a giant rattlesnake.

Tom Papa 29:52 Oh.

Joe Rogan 29:53 Thick as my forearm.

Tom Papa 29:54 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 29:55 (clears throat) It was huge, seven feet long.

Tom Papa 29:57 Geez.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Easily.

Tom Papa 29:57 Just in the middle of the trail?

Joe Rogan 29:58 Yeah, just completely stretched out like a stick.

Tom Papa 30:01 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 30:02 Just sunning itself.

Tom Papa 30:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:03 And the dogs ran right over it. And-

Tom Papa 30:05 And it didn't strike you? It just-

Joe Rogan 30:07 No. The dogs luckily listened to me and they, they weren't aware of what it was.

Tom Papa 30:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:12 But those dogs were crazy. Those dogs had been bitten three times.

Tom Papa 30:16 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 30:17 Yeah, my dogs had been bitten three times by snakes.

Tom Papa 30:19 So they knew.

Joe Rogan 30:20 They just killed the snakes. They didn't give a fuck.

Tom Papa 30:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:22 Pit bulls are so crazy.

Tom Papa 30:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:24 They're the craziest dogs. They're so hardwired for combat.

Tom Papa 30:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:29 Like, they're... The rattlesnake was like, "Ugh," and the pit bull was like, "Fuck you."

Tom Papa 30:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:34 (laughs) He just, he just grabbed him-

Tom Papa 30:35 It's go time.

Joe Rogan 30:36 ... and, and killed him.

Tom Papa 30:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:37 They didn't even worry for a second that he got bit in the face. And one time, he got bit-

Tom Papa 30:42 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 30:42 ... he's been bit in the fa- he got bit in the face a coup- this was Frank Sinatra.

Tom Papa 30:45 Great.

Joe Rogan 30:45 It was his name.

Tom Papa 30:46 That's great. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:47 One time, he got-

Tom Papa 30:47 I love that you named a dog Sinatra.

Joe Rogan 30:48 He got ... He was the craziest dog I've ever had. That dog killed everything he could.

Tom Papa 30:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:52 His, his main game was I'd leave him in the yard and he'd try-

Tom Papa 30:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:55 ... to kill lizards. His main game was like ... It was like a, a video game. He would just walk around the yard, coming stomping on the grass, looking for lizards, and then dive on them. It was like-

Tom Papa 31:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:04 It was like a game to him, just trying to find lizards to kill.

Tom Papa 31:06 How, how was he with people?

Joe Rogan 31:07 He was wonderful with people. He was a sweet, sweet dog.

Tom Papa 31:09 Would never strike out, go after a person?

Joe Rogan 31:11 No, no, he never bit a person. He was d- he was a little aggressive with his like ... Wanted to play.

Tom Papa 31:17 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 31:17 And it would kind of freak people out.

Tom Papa 31:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:19 'Cause he liked to play and pull ropes with you. Like he'd want to grab a rope and bring it to you and have you pull on it.

Tom Papa 31:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:24 And he would make these horrific noises.

Tom Papa 31:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:26 So you'd, you'd be pulling, he'd be like ... And he'd b- And people were like, "What the fuck, man?" I'm like, "He's just playing."

Tom Papa 31:34 Uh-

Joe Rogan 31:34 "He's a sweet dog." You watch.

Tom Papa 31:35 Scary.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Let go, let go, give him a kiss. He'd be like ... Right, right.

Tom Papa 31:39 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Giving him crazy kisses.

Tom Papa 31:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:40 But he was so hard-

Tom Papa 31:41 They get a bad rap though.

Joe Rogan 31:43 They deserve it.

Tom Papa 31:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:44 They deserve it.

Tom Papa 31:45 They deserve it.

Joe Rogan 31:45 Yeah, they deserve it.

Tom Papa 31:46 Because you don't know. If you're just walking down the street and you see a pit bull-

Joe Rogan 31:49 Yeah.

Tom Papa 31:49 ... off, off leash, you should be cautious.

Joe Rogan 31:51 People don't want to hear that. People don't want to hear that because they love their dog. They're like, "My dog is different. Don't say that." They are bred to fight. That's what they're bred for.

Tom Papa 31:59 R- that's where they came from?

Joe Rogan 32:00 This-

Tom Papa 32:00 That's where the breed-

Joe Rogan 32:01 Yup, no bullshit. The reason why they're such great dogs is 'cause they're bred, the, the good ones at least-

Tom Papa 32:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:07 ... to have no aggression whatsoever towards people so that when the dogs are fighting, they could go in and separate them with no fear of the dogs turning on the, on the owner.

Tom Papa 32:16 Oh.

Joe Rogan 32:17 Yeah.

Tom Papa 32:17 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 32:18 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 32:19 Where'd they do this? Ireland?

Joe Rogan 32:20 America, bro.

Tom Papa 32:21 America?

Joe Rogan 32:22 That's ... What do you think?

Tom Papa 32:23 It's American Pit Bull.

Joe Rogan 32:24 Yeah, what do you th- That's what it's called.

Tom Papa 32:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:25 American Pit Bull Terrier.

Tom Papa 32:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:27 What do you think the Michael Vick thing was all about?

Tom Papa 32:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:29 There's a dark culture-

Tom Papa 32:30 But they've been around for a long time though, haven't they?

Joe Rogan 32:31 Sure, over 100 years.

Tom Papa 32:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:33 More, a couple of hundred years.

Tom Papa 32:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:34 But the d- You know, that was event- originally going to be our national animal.

Tom Papa 32:38 Was it really?

Joe Rogan 32:39 Before they went with the eagle.

Tom Papa 32:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:41 Yeah.

Tom Papa 32:41 Didn't Ben Franklin sell the eagle?

Joe Rogan 32:44 I don't know.

Tom Papa 32:44 I don't know whose idea it was.

Joe Rogan 32:46 Did he push the ... Who wanted the pit bull?

Tom Papa 32:48 I don't know. I mean, they used them as, as war dogs when they ... They used them in, in the army.

Joe Rogan 32:52 That would've been a cool symbol.

Tom Papa 32:54 (growls)

Joe Rogan 32:54 Sort of, but, you know, the, the problem with those dogs is m- multifold. One, they have a very high prey drive. Like their, their-

Tom Papa 33:03 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 33:04 ... drive to attack things is very high.

Tom Papa 33:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:06 And the more they're bred for that, the better ... Like the more intelligent they are, the more intense they are. And people love them because of their intensity and their intelligence.

Tom Papa 33:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:16 And their loyalty towards their owners is outrageous.

Tom Papa 33:19 So that love is deep.

Joe Rogan 33:20 Yeah.

Tom Papa 33:20 That's why these ... That's why the pit bull people ... 'Cause they really do. If you say anything-

Joe Rogan 33:24 They do.

Tom Papa 33:24 ... they get really up in, uh, in arms about it. They don't-

Joe Rogan 33:27 Yeah.

Tom Papa 33:27 They don't want them to have a bad rap, but this is-

Joe Rogan 33:30 Dude, I love those dogs. Don't get me wrong.

Tom Papa 33:32 Yeah, you had them.

Joe Rogan 33:32 I love those dogs. But one of my dogs killed one of my other dogs.

Tom Papa 33:35 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 33:36 Yes.

Tom Papa 33:36 Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 33:37 Yeah, you can't have two female pit bulls. You can't have that.

Tom Papa 33:41 Two females? They'll just go at each other?

Joe Rogan 33:42 Yeah. They just ... They never sort it out. They never decide who the boss is.

Tom Papa 33:46 Wow.

Joe Rogan 33:46 They, they decide ... They, they start off like they'll, they'll figure ... They'll have a fight and then one will win. And then you say, "Okay." Well, in a normal situation, this one realizes that it's the alpha and then the other one will s- back off, but no.

Tom Papa 34:01 No.

Joe Rogan 34:01 No fucking way. Not with girls.

Tom Papa 34:02 They won't quit.

Joe Rogan 34:03 Girls never quit.

Tom Papa 34:04 Wow.

Joe Rogan 34:04 They go back to it.

Tom Papa 34:06 What if one of them was hanging out with Marshall?

Joe Rogan 34:08 Oh, they'd be fine.

Tom Papa 34:09 They'd be fine?

Joe Rogan 34:09 Yeah, well, she was fine with my male dogs.

Tom Papa 34:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:12 It was, it was the female dogs. She didn't want other females around.

Tom Papa 34:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:14 But she was not fine with my males if the male was getting attention and she wasn't. She would get angry, like, "You're stealing my attention."

Tom Papa 34:21 Ah.

Joe Rogan 34:22 Well, she was a prison dog basically.

Tom Papa 34:24 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 34:25 She was at ... She was in the LA Animal Shelter for many months when I got her.

Tom Papa 34:28 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 34:28 Brian Callen's the one who talked me into getting her.

Tom Papa 34:30 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 34:30 He goes, "Dude, you got to get this dog." He goes, "I can't get her. My yard's too small." He goes, "This dog is so amazing, so sweet." And I went to see her and she was the sweetest dog, to people, to people.

Tom Papa 34:39 How, how old? Was it a puppy still or a dog?

Joe Rogan 34:41 She was 11 months-

Tom Papa 34:42 Huh, still a puppy.

Joe Rogan 34:42 ... when I got her. Yeah, she was still a puppy. But she was amazing. But they're just fucking dangerous around dogs.

Tom Papa 34:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:49 You know, around-

Tom Papa 34:49 My sister had a, uh, a bull mastiff.

Joe Rogan 34:52 Oh, those are great.

Tom Papa 34:53 Great dogs.

Joe Rogan 34:54 That's different.

Tom Papa 34:54 So kind to people.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Yes.

Tom Papa 34:56 Like loving. Like you could put him with children. I mean, it's a big dog. Its head is like our heads combined. But other dogs, other small dogs-

Joe Rogan 35:04 Really?

Tom Papa 35:05 It was bred for that. And it would go and just ... Any dog on a leash with an old lady attached, did not care.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Oh, no.

Tom Papa 35:11 And would just pin it to the ground.

Joe Rogan 35:12 Oh, that's awful.

Tom Papa 35:13 And you ... You just couldn't get it out. I mean, that ... It's just in the breed.

Joe Rogan 35:17 I had a dog, uh, that was a mastiff that just died.

Tom Papa 35:19 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 35:21 I just had him ... His name was Johnny Cash. Uh, we just had to put him down.

Tom Papa 35:24 No, when?

Joe Rogan 35:25 He couldn't walk anymore. He was 13. And, uh-

Tom Papa 35:27 Oh.

Joe Rogan 35:28 Like, this is the saddest moment, like the last week of his life.

Tom Papa 35:31 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 35:32 Marshall was in the pool and he was jumping around and playing with my daughters and everybody was having a good time. And, and Johnny wanted to come to the pool but he couldn't walk over there.

Tom Papa 35:41 Oh.

Joe Rogan 35:41 And so he would w- he would take a couple steps and he'd be panting and his legs would be shaking and he'd take a couple steps and he's panting and his legs are shaking. He was just in, in agony. So I picked him up, all like 140 pounds of him. (coughs)

Tom Papa 35:55 That's a big dog.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Every time I run, man, I start coughing. I ran this morning and then for the rest of the day, um, like when I try to talk, I got like in my throat.

Tom Papa 36:05 It's the soot.

Joe Rogan 36:06 It's the dirt. I'm breathing in dust and pollen and I'm in the bottom of these canyons running through all this shit and the dog's in front of me kicking up dirt.

Tom Papa 36:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:14 Um, uh-

Tom Papa 36:15 I ran on the concrete today and I'm ...

Joe Rogan 36:17 (coughs) My point is I carried him. So I had to carry him over to the pool and I, I sat him down there and he just laid down there and he was smiling and, and panting.

Tom Papa 36:27 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 36:27 He was, he was totally deaf by the time he died, like completely deaf.

Tom Papa 36:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:31 Like he would be lying there. You'd be like, "Johnny, you hungry? Johnny?" And then he'd touch him and he'd be like, "Where'd you come from?"

Tom Papa 36:36 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 36:36 Yeah.

Tom Papa 36:37 Ugh. That's the bummer about big dogs, they die so-Well, 13's not that bad.

Joe Rogan 36:42 It was amazing.

Tom Papa 36:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:43 They usually die at, like, nine.

Tom Papa 36:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:44 Eight, nine, they're ready to go, and-

Tom Papa 36:46 That's what so... I, I can't... My dog's about 80 pounds.

Joe Rogan 36:50 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 36:50 And, uh, you know, it's a big presence. 140, that's a big thing in your house. And to know that it's... And you fall deeply in love with it, and then it's gonna be gone in-

Joe Rogan 36:59 Yeah.

Tom Papa 36:59 ... six, seven years? It's a heartbreak.

Joe Rogan 37:01 It's hard, it's hard.

Tom Papa 37:02 It is.

Joe Rogan 37:02 He was the sweetest dog to everybody. Dogs, people-

Tom Papa 37:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:06 ... everybody.

Tom Papa 37:07 Oh, that's the coolest.

Joe Rogan 37:07 Just a giant, lovable... Yeah.

Tom Papa 37:10 Recently, you had to put him down?

Joe Rogan 37:11 Oh, yeah, a couple weeks ago.

Tom Papa 37:13 Ah, I'm sorry. That's b- that's-

Joe Rogan 37:14 Yeah, it was rough. But-

Tom Papa 37:16 That is rough.

Joe Rogan 37:16 ... he, he... But it was really hard seeing him suffer. Like, when I would try to-

Tom Papa 37:19 How long?

Joe Rogan 37:20 ... bring him in. Well, the last year was rough.

Tom Papa 37:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:24 And the last couple of months, it was, "When do we do this?"

Tom Papa 37:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:26 It was like, "When do we, when do we put him down?" 'Cause I don't want to come home and find him dead.

Tom Papa 37:30 Yeah. But for a year, you knew he was kinda-

Joe Rogan 37:33 It's a slow deterioration. Like-

Tom Papa 37:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:35 ... I couldn't walk him anymore. Um, that was about two years ago.

Tom Papa 37:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:38 About two years ago, I just couldn't walk him. 'Cause where I live is a lot of hills.

Tom Papa 37:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:41 He just couldn't do the hills.

Tom Papa 37:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:43 He would just take a few steps and have to, to breathe heavy, and then take a few steps and have to breathe heavy.

Tom Papa 37:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:48 And I was like, "Oh, Jesus." I didn't think he was gonna last as long as he did.

Tom Papa 37:51 That's good. It's a good life.

Joe Rogan 37:53 He was the best. Like, he was just super sweet dog. Like, always sweet and kind.

Tom Papa 37:59 That's nice.

Joe Rogan 37:59 He'd have... Like, he could be eating a steak, and you could come over to him, and you could take the steak from him, and he'd be like, "Why'd you do that?"

Tom Papa 38:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:05 He would, he would never growl at you.

Tom Papa 38:07 Right. You let your dog in the pool?

Joe Rogan 38:09 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 38:10 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 38:10 Why not?

Tom Papa 38:11 I don't know. I think it's gonna be all wet in the house.

Joe Rogan 38:14 Get the fuck outta here. Dry him off, bro. Dogs love to get dried off. When I, when I... When Marshall comes out of the pool-

Tom Papa 38:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:20 ... I, I pull the towel, he's like, "Oh, yeah, it's time for a massage."

Tom Papa 38:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:24 He comes over, and I, and I rub him, and he's like, "Oh, yeah."

Tom Papa 38:27 Chlorine or saltwater?

Joe Rogan 38:28 Uh, salt. He's like, "Oh, yeah."

Tom Papa 38:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:31 "Oh, yeah."

Tom Papa 38:32 Do it, Joe. Do it, Joe.

Joe Rogan 38:33 He loves it. 'Cause I have to get one of them big beach towels, and I throw it over him, and I just start-

Tom Papa 38:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:37 ... rubbing him down. He loves it. He sees that towel, he comes running towards me.

Tom Papa 38:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:41 He's like, "Massage time, motherfucker."

Tom Papa 38:45 (laughs) What about all the hair in the pool?

Joe Rogan 38:46 Yeah, there's a lot of hair in the pool.

Tom Papa 38:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:48 You gotta scoop that up.

Tom Papa 38:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:49 Yeah. Yeah, it comes in clumps.

Tom Papa 38:51 (laughs) Yeah, retrievers.

Joe Rogan 38:52 Like, for three hours, you find it at the bottom, and it, it looks like, like algae's growing in the bottom of the pool.

Tom Papa 38:56 I know. That's nasty hair. I've been keeping my dog out.

Joe Rogan 39:00 You gotta live forever.

Tom Papa 39:00 I've been keeping my dog out of the pool.

Joe Rogan 39:02 Come on, man. Why would you do that? It's...

Tom Papa 39:03 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 39:03 You live in LA, it's hot as fuck. Let the dog swim. Jesus, man.

Tom Papa 39:07 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 39:08 Yes. "Oh, there's a hair in the pool." Who gives a fuck?

Tom Papa 39:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:12 Take a shower.

Tom Papa 39:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:14 What are you worried about? It's water.

Tom Papa 39:16 I don't know. Seems like a pain in the ass.

Joe Rogan 39:18 Is the hair, is the hair dirty? Well, then, no. It's water.

Tom Papa 39:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:21 The hair's in water.

Tom Papa 39:22 What about chlorine? Can the guy vi- get that on the dog's skin? Is that all right?

Joe Rogan 39:25 Yeah, it's on your skin. Just wash him off afterwards.

Tom Papa 39:28 Right?

Joe Rogan 39:28 Hose him down.

Tom Papa 39:28 Hose him down?

Joe Rogan 39:29 Why would you worry about the dog and not yourself? Jesus.

Tom Papa 39:31 I only worry about myself and not the dog.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Why don't you, uh, get a saltwater thing for your pool? So it uses saltwater.

Tom Papa 39:38 Well, I was... Yeah, it's a whole rigamarole.

Joe Rogan 39:40 Yeah, but it's not that hard.

Tom Papa 39:42 No, I know. I got... I'm, I'm working on other projects.

Joe Rogan 39:45 Damn. You're just one of those guys that dismisses important things in your life.

Tom Papa 39:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:49 It's not true. I just-

Tom Papa 39:50 You want me to get that in the back, so when I get high, I think about it incessantly.

Joe Rogan 39:54 (laughs)

Tom Papa 39:54 And it fucks with my head. Is that what happens?

Joe Rogan 39:57 To me.

Tom Papa 39:58 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 39:59 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's number one thing that happens.

Tom Papa 40:01 You ever get high and then you realize, "Oh, I haven't been thinking about this at all," and then when you're high, it's the only thing you're thinking about?

Joe Rogan 40:06 Oh, for sure. Things that I'd, I'd, you know, should have been thinking about, like, a year ago. (laughs)

Tom Papa 40:12 (laughs) Right? You're like-

Joe Rogan 40:14 Like, "Why is this... I gotta fix that sprinkler. How much is that leaking water? How much water is that leaking? What if we run outta water?" And then I have to think about all the water that was-

Tom Papa 40:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:22 ... leaking 'cause the sprinkler's broken.

Tom Papa 40:24 I should just do it. What's wrong with me that I don't just do that?

Joe Rogan 40:26 I should just... Why can't I just make that call?

Tom Papa 40:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:28 How hard is it to make that call? You know what freaks me out lately?

Tom Papa 40:31 I'm gonna do it on Monday.

Joe Rogan 40:31 Emails. There's no way I can keep up. It's impossible now at this point.

Tom Papa 40:34 Do you have a number that you try and stay below in your inbox?

Joe Rogan 40:38 No.

Tom Papa 40:39 That's how I do it.

Joe Rogan 40:40 No.

Tom Papa 40:40 If I can stay... If I, if I'm under 75, I know I'm, uh, I'm on top of it.

Joe Rogan 40:46 75? I'm gonna show you something that's making your fucking hair spin.

Tom Papa 40:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:51 Look at that number.

Tom Papa 40:52 Where are we?

Joe Rogan 40:53 The upper left.

Tom Papa 40:54 4655. In one account?

Joe Rogan 40:57 Good luck with those.

Tom Papa 40:58 Is that also your garbage account?

Joe Rogan 41:00 No.

Tom Papa 41:00 That's just your-

Joe Rogan 41:01 No.

Tom Papa 41:01 ... just your-

Joe Rogan 41:02 That's email.

Tom Papa 41:03 (laughs) No.

Joe Rogan 41:05 4,000 emails.

Tom Papa 41:06 What?

Joe Rogan 41:06 Yeah, exactly.

Tom Papa 41:08 Why are you doing that to yourself?

Joe Rogan 41:09 How are you gonna do that?

Tom Papa 41:10 Doesn't that weigh on you?

Joe Rogan 41:11 Nope.

Tom Papa 41:11 Come on.

Joe Rogan 41:12 Nope.

Tom Papa 41:12 Doesn't it feel like-

Joe Rogan 41:13 I give up.

Tom Papa 41:13 ... like, uh, like a cluttered desk?

Joe Rogan 41:15 Well, I have more than one email account.

Tom Papa 41:16 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 41:17 You know, one for business-

Tom Papa 41:18 So you have-

Joe Rogan 41:19 ... for my managers and close friends.

Tom Papa 41:21 So that's-

Joe Rogan 41:21 And then there's, there's one for people that have known me forever.

Tom Papa 41:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:24 You know? And then there's, is a business one for people that I don't know that well.

Tom Papa 41:29 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 41:29 You know, that aren't, like, in my inner circle.

Tom Papa 41:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:32 But that's, that's, like-

Tom Papa 41:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:34 ... that's a lot of emails, bro.

Tom Papa 41:35 (laughs) That's a lot. But your important one is your inner circle-

Joe Rogan 41:39 Yeah.

Tom Papa 41:40 ... and your business, and that's not 4,000.

Joe Rogan 41:41 That's a lot. It's hundreds.

Tom Papa 41:43 Hundreds?

Joe Rogan 41:44 Hundreds.

Tom Papa 41:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:46 And a lot of it's nonsense. Like, you know-

Tom Papa 41:48 It's all nonsense, but then you feel like you can't throw it out.

Joe Rogan 41:50 Yeah.

Tom Papa 41:52 If I could just keep it... I have a garbage account. I have... I mean, my one account that is... Yeah, here you go, down there.

Joe Rogan 42:00 Oh, that's not bad.

Tom Papa 42:01 9000 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:03 (laughs)

Tom Papa 42:04 9,978. But that's because I have an AOL account that I just-

Joe Rogan 42:09 Oh.

Tom Papa 42:09 Anytime you're in a store, anytime whatever the... You sign up for something, "Can I have your email? Can I have your email?"

Joe Rogan 42:14 Give me an AOL.

Tom Papa 42:14 It all gets that, and that's why it, it blows up. But my private account, my inner circle one, under 100. That's where I'm staying.

Joe Rogan 42:23 So you got basically about 4,000 big dick pill ads.

Tom Papa 42:28 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:29 Right?

Tom Papa 42:29 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 42:30 I'll try this cough drop, see if it will keep me from coughing. Does cough drops work?

Tom Papa 42:33 I can't... Yeah, they do work.

Joe Rogan 42:35 It doesn't... I'm not coughing unless I'm talking. And when I'm talking, I just feel the (choking sound) in the back of my throat.

Tom Papa 42:41 ... (sighs)

Joe Rogan 42:42 And it's right at, it's, it's like two hours after running.

Tom Papa 42:45 Always?

Joe Rogan 42:46 Yeah. Up, up to two hours.

Tom Papa 42:48 Maybe after that-

Joe Rogan 42:48 After that it sort of goes away. It's like my body cleans you out.

Tom Papa 42:50 You have to run with one of those masks that they wear at the airport.

Joe Rogan 42:53 One of those, what, China masks?

Tom Papa 42:54 (laughs) Yeah.

Guest 42:55 You want some tea or anything?

Joe Rogan 42:57 No. No, I'll be all right. I'm just gonna try this cough drop.

Tom Papa 42:59 Some coffee?

Joe Rogan 43:00 Yeah. I don't think that helps. Coffee generates phlegm.

Tom Papa 43:04 Hey, I saw an article this morning, I wanted to, um, get your thoughts on it.

Joe Rogan 43:07 Okay.

Tom Papa 43:08 Uh, I was reading about, uh, that they're thinking about putting, uh, video gaming in the Olympics.

Guest 43:16 Whoa.

Tom Papa 43:17 Yeah. And the way they were talking about it, they, they were like, "This is inevitable. This is going to be in the Olympics." And these, uh, kids consider themselves athletes. The only hangup that they had on it was that the video games are violent.

Joe Rogan 43:29 (laughs)

Tom Papa 43:29 And they don't wanna promote that. But to me, it was like, (laughs) well, wait, are they (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 43:34 Well-

Tom Papa 43:34 ... is this really a sport?

Joe Rogan 43:35 This is the Olympics trying to cash in. That's all that is.

Tom Papa 43:39 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 43:39 I think, I think Olympics are dirty. I think it's a dirty business. And, uh, this was highlighted by the movie Icarus. If you-

Tom Papa 43:47 Right, oh, I saw that.

Joe Rogan 43:48 ... if you watch that movie and you realize how, uh, the IOC is in bed with the World Anti-Doping Agency and how, you know, how they sort of function together and-

Tom Papa 44:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:00 ... what it really is all about is making money. And anything that compromises that making money, they're gonna vote against it. It, it's just, it's not, it's a dirty business.

Tom Papa 44:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:11 And if they did have it in the Olympics, what they would basically do is take these guys who are making millions and millions of dollars playing video games at a professional level.

Tom Papa 44:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:20 And, uh-

Tom Papa 44:20 Millions?

Joe Rogan 44:21 They would make them (laughs) work for free, and then they would make all the millions and millions of dollars. But they say, "But yeah, you get to be in the Olympics."

Tom Papa 44:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:27 It's a dirty business. I think the Olympics are dirty.

Tom Papa 44:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:30 I really do.

Tom Papa 44:32 That's terrible.

Joe Rogan 44:32 (clears throat) Yeah. Well, is chess in the Olympics? No.

Tom Papa 44:35 No.

Joe Rogan 44:35 Well, why is it bad in the Olympics?

Tom Papa 44:36 They even took wrestling out.

Joe Rogan 44:37 But chess, you're actually moving pieces around. Video games-

Tom Papa 44:40 Yes.

Joe Rogan 44:41 ... you, you know, you just, icons on a screen. Like, why, what, what do you mean they took wrestling out?

Tom Papa 44:44 They took wrestling out of, they took, really took wrestling out of the Olympics.

Joe Rogan 44:48 No.

Tom Papa 44:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:49 No, they didn't.

Tom Papa 44:49 Yes, they did.

Joe Rogan 44:50 No.

Tom Papa 44:51 Yes, I love wrestling and they took it out. They might've brought it back, but it was gone. Right, Jamie?

Joe Rogan 44:56 No. No, no, wrestling's not out of the Olympics.

Tom Papa 44:58 Yes, they took it out. There was no wrestling in the Summer Olympics.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Come on.

Tom Papa 45:03 I'm not kidding.

Joe Rogan 45:04 For real?

Tom Papa 45:04 For real.

Joe Rogan 45:05 That doesn't make any sense.

Tom Papa 45:07 I know.

Joe Rogan 45:07 That's crazy. Why wouldn't I know, heard of that? I know there were, there was at one point in time, uh, they were talking about it, but I thought, I thought it was put back in.

Guest 45:18 So...

Joe Rogan 45:18 What does it say?

Tom Papa 45:18 It was out for at least one.

Guest 45:20 In 2013, IOC voted to drop wrestling from the Summer Olympic program, effective 2020.

Joe Rogan 45:27 Is that real?

Guest 45:28 Yeah, I don't know if it's happened yet, though. So, uh, is it supposed to be for 2020, I don't know if it's...

Joe Rogan 45:32 I'm pretty sure it was in the Olympics in the summer.

Guest 45:34 Yeah, well, it's not 2020 yet, so-

Joe Rogan 45:35 No, but I mean the last Olympics, did he say that it wasn't in?

Tom Papa 45:38 I don't think it was.

Guest 45:39 Yeah, I think it was. Does somebody-

Tom Papa 45:41 I don't think it was. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:43 (laughs)

Guest 45:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:43 Call Bob Costa. Call him now.

Tom Papa 45:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:46 Bob.

Tom Papa 45:48 Bob, is your eye cured?

Joe Rogan 45:49 Bob was, uh, on an episode of NewsRadio, kicked my ass.

Tom Papa 45:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:52 It was, uh, that was the episode-

Tom Papa 45:54 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 45:54 I thought he was hitting on this girl that I was dating.

Tom Papa 45:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:57 So he beat me up. Yeah, there it is, in the Olympics. Oh, I guess Tom Papa's wrong again.

Tom Papa 46:00 Oh, that's from the '70s. Look at that coach jacket.

Joe Rogan 46:03 (laughs)

Guest 46:03 (laughs)

Tom Papa 46:03 Do you see that guy's ... (laughs) Do you see that referee's jacket?

Joe Rogan 46:06 Speaking of '70s, I came home last night-

Tom Papa 46:07 Hey, look at that guy.

Joe Rogan 46:08 Whoa, look at that guy. Jesus Christ, nine- 1896.

Tom Papa 46:12 1896.

Joe Rogan 46:12 Go back to that.

Tom Papa 46:13 And they took it out. All right, so maybe it was in last time. But it's-

Joe Rogan 46:17 You don't know what the fuck you're talk- look at that guy.

Tom Papa 46:19 But they voted against it now.

Joe Rogan 46:20 He's trying to look jacked.

Tom Papa 46:21 He is jacked.

Joe Rogan 46:22 He isn't even-

Tom Papa 46:22 Look at that chest.

Joe Rogan 46:23 ... they didn't even understand weightlifting back then. Let me tell you something, bro. That guy is not jacked.

Tom Papa 46:26 He's jacked. Pure muscle.

Joe Rogan 46:28 Let me see a little of this. Let me see a little of this. If they wrestled any different.

Tom Papa 46:30 Greco-Roman, introduced in Athens in 1896.

Joe Rogan 46:33 Look at this. What is going on here? They're grabbing each other by the underwear?

Guest 46:35 That was it.

Joe Rogan 46:36 It's a different kind of wrestling.

Tom Papa 46:38 That's ladies.

Joe Rogan 46:38 Hilarious. (clears throat)

Tom Papa 46:41 Boom.

Joe Rogan 46:41 Hilarious. That is a rough fucking sport on your body.

Tom Papa 46:44 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 46:45 Oof.

Guest 46:45 Yeah, this, uh, I would, I found this, though. Uh, uh, they're adding, um, video games to the Asian games in 2022 and then it's gonna be a demonstration sport in Paris 2024.

Tom Papa 46:55 It's coming.

Joe Rogan 46:56 Hmm.

Guest 46:56 And wrestling out.

Joe Rogan 46:57 Well, and here's the thing. Those guys don't need it. You know? And this is my message to anybody who's a pro video gamer. You don't need those people. What, what do they offer? They don't offer shit. They want you to work for free. They're gonna make all the money. You're already huge. And by the way, the people who run that, they missed the boat. They didn't see it coming. They don't deserve it.

Tom Papa 47:15 What about the athlete part of it?

Joe Rogan 47:17 (clears throat) What about it?

Tom Papa 47:18 Do you consider it a sport?

Joe Rogan 47:20 Well, no. It's a game, but it's a very highly skilled game.

Tom Papa 47:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:25 I mean, it's definitely something valuable. Like, the, uh, it used to be thought of as a frivolous waste of time.

Tom Papa 47:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:30 But now, you can make legitimate money with it. But you don't, I don't think you classify it as a sport. I mean, they call it esports.

Tom Papa 47:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:38 It's-

Tom Papa 47:38 Are they an athlete?

Joe Rogan 47:39 No.

Tom Papa 47:40 Is, is a, is, is the top gamer an athlete?

Joe Rogan 47:42 The only caveat is that it's hand-eye coordination. Right? There is hand-eye coordination in D- what do you consider, uh, a sport? Do you consider something you move your entire body or it's just moving your fingers enough?

Tom Papa 47:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:56 Um, 'cause like, is pool a sport?

Tom Papa 47:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:59 Billiards. Is that a sport?

Tom Papa 48:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:00 I don't think it is.

Tom Papa 48:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:01 I think it's a game.

Tom Papa 48:02 It's a, yeah, it's a game.

Joe Rogan 48:02 But it's a game that requires hand-eye coordination and control and touch. Tennis is a sport.

Tom Papa 48:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:09 Right?

Tom Papa 48:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Tennis requires endurance-

Tom Papa 48:11 It's full physical being-

Guest 48:14 (coughs) .

Tom Papa 48:14 ... full mental being.

Joe Rogan 48:15 Yeah, you're, you're running around, you're jumping back and forth, you're swatting that ball, they're, they're shooting it at you trying to get out of the way. I mean, the, the amount of endurance you have and stamina and explosiveness all contributes to your game.

Tom Papa 48:26 Would you make an exception for someone that's really good at Q*Bert?

Joe Rogan 48:30 Yes.

Guest 48:31 (laughs)

Tom Papa 48:31 That was my favorite.

Joe Rogan 48:32 That was... Subway Surfer is in.

Tom Papa 48:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:34 Subway Surfer is a sport. My daughter plays that shit, she's a little wizard. (whooshing)

Tom Papa 48:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:40 Um, it's, uh-It's not a sport. They only want it in the Olympics because they realize there's massive amounts of people that are watching it and playing them now.

Tom Papa 48:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:47 And they can make a lot of money out of it.

Tom Papa 48:48 No, arenas. I mean, they're-

Joe Rogan 48:50 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 48:50 ... they're gonna ... They're filling arenas.

Joe Rogan 48:51 Yeah.

Tom Papa 48:51 The live-

Joe Rogan 48:51 More than the Olympics.

Tom Papa 48:53 The live part of it is a billion-dollar business.

Joe Rogan 48:56 Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of sports that are in the Olympics that no one gives a fuck about if they're not in the Olympics.

Tom Papa 49:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:02 Right? Like-

Tom Papa 49:03 Like that-

Joe Rogan 49:03 ... curling.

Tom Papa 49:04 Curling, the, um, ski shoot one, the skiing-

Joe Rogan 49:07 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 49:07 ... and shooting one. What do they call that?

Joe Rogan 49:08 Decathlon or pentathlon or ...

Tom Papa 49:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:11 There's the one that Bruce Jenner won. Which one was that?

Guest 49:14 Decathlon.

Joe Rogan 49:14 Decathlon.

Tom Papa 49:14 That's the decathlon.

Joe Rogan 49:15 Did he have to shoot shit or no?

Tom Papa 49:17 No.

Guest 49:17 Don't think so.

Joe Rogan 49:17 Throw a spear or something?

Tom Papa 49:18 No. (laughs) He-

Guest 49:19 I don't think so.

Tom Papa 49:19 He did the javelin. Javelin's part of it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:22 (laughs)

Guest 49:22 (laughs)

Tom Papa 49:22 Not ... Not technically a spear, but ...

Joe Rogan 49:24 Okay. Is archery ... Archery's in the Olympics.

Tom Papa 49:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Is that ... Is that a sport? Um, that's more of a sport.

Tom Papa 49:32 Right?

Joe Rogan 49:32 Because-

Tom Papa 49:32 You're using your full body.

Joe Rogan 49:34 Well, not really. I mean, you are for, like, stability. You're stabilizing with your legs, and you have a certain stance.

Tom Papa 49:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:41 And if your bow is heavy to pull back, then it requires strength, but that's a ... That's blurring the lines. It's an-

Tom Papa 49:48 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 49:48 It's essent- ... I think archery is essentially a martial art with a tool, you know, and then you're demonstrating it. But you could do it on paper, so it's target archery. But they have-

Tom Papa 49:57 It's getting vague.

Joe Rogan 49:58 Do they have target shooting in the Olympics?

Guest 50:00 Uh ...

Tom Papa 50:00 Well, as part of skiing, right?

Guest 50:02 Yes. In the winter. No, I think they do it in both.

Tom Papa 50:04 They do it in summer, too?

Guest 50:05 No, I actually know a girl that was on, uh-

Joe Rogan 50:07 Just target?

Guest 50:08 ... Olympic ... Yep.

Joe Rogan 50:08 Just shooting?

Guest 50:09 Yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 50:09 Right. That girl you were telling me about. Yeah.

Guest 50:11 Yeah.

Tom Papa 50:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:11 So that's, um-

Tom Papa 50:12 That's interesting. I mean, that's close to a video game.

Joe Rogan 50:15 Not really.

Tom Papa 50:16 (sighs) No?

Joe Rogan 50:16 No. Video games are ... Well, I guess maybe, but, like, we were shoo- showing that Sarah Palin thing where she was trying to shoot offhand.

Tom Papa 50:23 Totally hot.

Guest 50:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:24 She's just holding the gun up. That's, um ... If you ... Like, that's more of a sport.

Tom Papa 50:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:30 If you're trying to shoot offhand or pistol shooting. I would say, like, pistol shooting would definitely be a sport, like when they do those courses. You ever seen those courses that they do?

Tom Papa 50:39 Yeah. Like, for training and stuff?

Joe Rogan 50:40 They go, "Ready? Go." A light goes off, and then you run through a door, and then you turn a corner and tang, tang, tang, and then you-

Tom Papa 50:46 Bad guys come out.

Joe Rogan 50:46 ... you duck down. Tang- ... Yeah, yeah, yeah. And some are bad guys, and some are good guys, and then so-

Tom Papa 50:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:50 I mean, sometimes they do ... They did a bunch of different ones they do, and some of them are just targets, and some of them are targets that are dressed up like people.

Tom Papa 50:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Yeah. That's more of a sport.

Tom Papa 50:58 That could be a sport.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Well, that's very physically demanding. Like, you ever see the Keanu Reeves footage-

Tom Papa 51:02 No.

Joe Rogan 51:02 ... when he's training for John Wick 2?

Tom Papa 51:04 No.

Joe Rogan 51:04 Please, God, make John Wick 3.

Tom Papa 51:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:06 Please. (laughs)

Guest 51:06 Have you seen the, have you seen the stuff of him running through Times Square on a horse shooting people in the head?

Joe Rogan 51:11 In John Wick 3?

Guest 51:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:13 They're already doing it?

Guest 51:13 You haven't seen that?

Tom Papa 51:14 I- ... No.

Guest 51:15 (laughs)

Tom Papa 51:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:15 Well, just sh- show the footage, first of all, the training footage for John Wick 2.

Tom Papa 51:19 He looks fly.

Joe Rogan 51:19 John Wick 2, man, that motherfucker Keanu Reeves, he gets into it.

Tom Papa 51:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:22 He was training with my friend, Riga Machado, in, uh, jujitsu. So they, uh-

Tom Papa 51:27 Mr. Roboto?

Joe Rogan 51:28 (coughs) No. Here he is.

Tom Papa 51:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:30 Look at him. Give me some volume.

Guest 51:32 (upbeat music) I'm working on me too.

Joe Rogan 51:36 So, like, when you watch him shoot-

Tom Papa 51:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:38 ... in the movie, he looks very-

Tom Papa 51:40 He looks-

Joe Rogan 51:40 ... comfortable shooting. And even his martial arts, like, the stuff that he's doing in the movie-

Tom Papa 51:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:45 ... is legitimate. Like, it's, it's doable. It's real.

Tom Papa 51:48 He's really training.

Joe Rogan 51:50 Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's not doing anything where you'd go, "Get the ... " Like-

Tom Papa 51:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:53 There's no Roadhouse moves. Like, I was watching-

Tom Papa 51:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:56 ... Roadhouse last night.

Tom Papa 51:57 I love Roadhouse. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:58 (laughs)

Guest 51:58 Me too.

Joe Rogan 51:59 I do too. I got home from the Comedy Store last night, and I was gonna go to sleep, but Roadhouse was on. I'm like, "Fuck, I'm staying up."

Tom Papa 52:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:04 I stayed up.

Tom Papa 52:05 It's the best going in the bar.

Joe Rogan 52:07 Yeah. I watched it an hour and a half in until he killed the guy by grabbing his neck, and that's when I had to go to sleep.

Tom Papa 52:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:12 Um-

Tom Papa 52:13 You missed the big end scene in the house?

Joe Rogan 52:15 Eh, it's good enough.

Tom Papa 52:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:16 I saw ... I saw enough. But, um, so he's on a horse-

Guest 52:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:19 ... in John Wick 3.

Tom Papa 52:21 Wow. He's the real deal. He's like Tom Cruise.

Joe Rogan 52:23 Just get him back on the Chevelle. Why are you giving him a horse?

Tom Papa 52:25 He's Tom Cruise.

Joe Rogan 52:27 1... The 1970 Chevelle is the way to go, not a fucking horse.

Tom Papa 52:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:31 Come on.

Tom Papa 52:31 So he trains, like, legit shooting.

Guest 52:34 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 52:34 Trains, legit shooting, legit martial arts.

Tom Papa 52:37 Sam-

Joe Rogan 52:37 Samuel Jackson is in it?

Guest 52:38 Yep.

Joe Rogan 52:39 Oh my God.

Tom Papa 52:39 What's Samuel Jackson not in? Is there a list of ... It's, like, 10 films.

Guest 52:43 He didn't start being an actor until he was late in his career, right, or late in his age.

Tom Papa 52:48 Oh, yeah?

Guest 52:48 I just read something recently about it.

Joe Rogan 52:49 How old was he?

Guest 52:50 (sighs) I wanna say 40, but I feel like I might be mixing him up with someone-

Tom Papa 52:53 Uh-huh.

Guest 52:53 ... who might be true.

Joe Rogan 52:54 (laughs)

Tom Papa 52:54 That might be Rodney Dangerfield.

Joe Rogan 52:56 Um, yeah. The original John Wick is a fucking great movie, and John Wick 2 is a great movie. They're both great. I watched two of them back to back, uh, o- on a plane recently.

Tom Papa 53:07 Is that the one where everything is on fire in that one scene where he's, like, coming out of an apartment and it's on fire?

Joe Rogan 53:11 John Wick 2 is one when he's fighting that Ruby Rose chick. He has a fight with Ruby Rose, which is-

Tom Papa 53:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:16 ... a little hilarious.

Tom Papa 53:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:17 I'm like, "Okay."

Guest 53:19 Never mind.

Joe Rogan 53:19 I get it.

Guest 53:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:19 Girl power. Save it.

Tom Papa 53:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:21 Save it.

Tom Papa 53:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:23 She takes such a good punch. (deep inhale) Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:27 Keanu's pu- pulling punches.

Joe Rogan 53:29 Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:30 He's legit. Tom Cruise, he trains and does all his real stuff.

Joe Rogan 53:34 Yeah. Tom Cruise does a lot of crazy stunts.

Tom Papa 53:36 Right?

Joe Rogan 53:36 Yeah. He fucked up-

Tom Papa 53:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:37 ... his ankle jumping off of a building to another building.

Tom Papa 53:40 Yeah. Climbing on the outside of planes, hanging on.

Joe Rogan 53:42 He does all that stupid shit.

Tom Papa 53:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:43 Car chases, he does that.

Tom Papa 53:45 In-

Joe Rogan 53:45 He does it himself.

Tom Papa 53:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:46 Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:46 In Dubai, hanging off this ... end of that building.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 53:49 You guys-

Joe Rogan 53:50 Yeah. He's a maniac.

Tom Papa 53:51 He is a maniac.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:53 Yeah. I wouldn't do that.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Fighting off them Scientology demons.

Tom Papa 53:56 Or using-

Joe Rogan 53:57 (gasps)

Tom Papa 53:57 ... the angels. (Joe gasps) Using the angels.

Joe Rogan 54:00 Do they have angels or just thetans?

Tom Papa 54:01 Thetans are the bad things, those are the things-

Joe Rogan 54:03 Are they?

Tom Papa 54:03 ... that stick to you. Right?

Joe Rogan 54:05 (coughs) I thought that was where, like, your soul, like, y- ... That's who you are. You are-

Tom Papa 54:08 That's-

Joe Rogan 54:09 ... a thetan, like, in the shell of a-

Tom Papa 54:10 Oh.

Joe Rogan 54:11 ... an animal or-

Tom Papa 54:11 I thought the thetans were, like, the bad ones that came and you had to fend off.

Joe Rogan 54:14 Everything I know about Scientology, I learned from South Park.

Tom Papa 54:17 (laughs) Right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:18 It's, uh ... (laughs)

Tom Papa 54:21 Yeah, me too.

Joe Rogan 54:21 And, uh, from that, uh-

Tom Papa 54:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:22 ... Lawrence Wright movie.

Tom Papa 54:24 I learned a co- ... I learned a couple useful things from w- learning about it.

Joe Rogan 54:28 Going Clear. Did you see Going Clear, the documentary?

Tom Papa 54:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:32 Did you read the book?

Tom Papa 54:33 No.

Joe Rogan 54:33 Book's crazy too.

Tom Papa 54:34 I read some of Dianetics, though.

Joe Rogan 54:36 I did too. Yeah.

Tom Papa 54:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:38 I read it when I first moved to LA. I bought it. I ordered it on late night TV.

Tom Papa 54:41 Yeah. I wanted al- ... I wanted my, uh, nephews to get ... to join up just to see what would happen.

Joe Rogan 54:46 (laughs)

Guest 54:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:47 (laughs) What, do you hate your sister-

Tom Papa 54:48 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:48 ... or your brother or whoever's kid it is?

Tom Papa 54:49 I was like, "One of us has got to b- kind of be in a- a pioneer here. Let's go see what this does."

Joe Rogan 54:54 One of us got to join the cult.

Tom Papa 54:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:55 Yeah.

Tom Papa 54:55 "It's too late for me. Get in there, brother."

Joe Rogan 54:57 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 54:57 "See what happens."

Joe Rogan 54:58 Have you seen Wild Wild Country?

Tom Papa 55:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:00 Ooh.

Tom Papa 55:01 (laughs) Oh. I've been reading his book, the art- Osho's book, The Art of Living and Dying.

Joe Rogan 55:06 Oh, yeah?

Tom Papa 55:06 It's very interesting.

Joe Rogan 55:08 He-

Tom Papa 55:08 You know, it's- what's unique about him is that w- the- the things that he's saying are- are, like, legitimately profound and very interesting and, like, leg- legitimately, deeply philosophical.

Joe Rogan 55:21 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 55:21 Like, you're reading it and you go, "Okay, this is a r- this guy was a real thinking person," and he was, like, deeply considering these things from all sorts of different angles.

Joe Rogan 55:30 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 55:30 And yet he allowed that crazy Sheela lady to run his cult and poison people and-

Joe Rogan 55:38 But even before that-

Tom Papa 55:39 ... plot assassinations.

Joe Rogan 55:40 But even before that, he was collecting Rolls-Royces.

Tom Papa 55:43 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:44 And he was like- he was-

Tom Papa 55:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:45 He loved the ...

Tom Papa 55:46 Loved luxury.

Joe Rogan 55:47 The- the problem ... Look, a lot of people have good ideas, they try and motivate people. It starts out, like, in th- these nice intentions, whatever.

Tom Papa 55:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:54 Once they taste money, that's it. It's over.

Tom Papa 55:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:57 Greed, it just takes you over and you can't shake it. And it's like, I- why would I be in a- in a, uh, Ford Taurus when I had a Rolls-Royce? (laughs) Well, how about just get one Rolls-Royce, bro?

Tom Papa 56:08 I know, but these people-

Joe Rogan 56:09 Why do you have 22?

Tom Papa 56:10 Power, power and greed. It's- it's ... And celebrity.

Joe Rogan 56:14 S- and-

Tom Papa 56:14 And then you can't shake it.

Joe Rogan 56:15 Yeah.

Tom Papa 56:15 All these televangelists, when all those televangelists went down, like, they start off, like, preaching d- around the South dirty, like, in little c- churches. Then they start making millions of dollars and it goes all off the rails. Greed.

Joe Rogan 56:27 Yeah.

Tom Papa 56:27 It's a demon, I'm telling you.

Joe Rogan 56:30 There's ... I guess they're similar in that regard.

Tom Papa 56:31 I mean, 'cause like that guy fr- from what you're saying, he has some good points, he has some good stuff.

Joe Rogan 56:36 He does. But-

Tom Papa 56:36 There's some stuff in Dianetics that s- makes very good sense.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Right, but hold on. Do- don't you- do you think that all that good stuff is negated by a love of objects?

Tom Papa 56:46 I think that it ends up corrupting them and they start making other choices that don't align with what they're preaching.

Joe Rogan 56:52 Right.

Tom Papa 56:53 Yeah, I think it's-

Joe Rogan 56:54 Yeah.

Tom Papa 56:54 ... w- where they're human beings. We're all human beings. And you start getting that power and then all of this money comes in and it- it- it, uh, it corrupts.

Joe Rogan 57:02 It was also sex. There was also a lot of sex.

Tom Papa 57:04 A lot of sex.

Joe Rogan 57:05 Yeah, that cult was a lot about just free sex, everybody banging everybody.

Tom Papa 57:10 It's funny, it ... how it all comes down to those things. It always becomes sex, money, power, and celebrity.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Yeah.

Tom Papa 57:19 Like, that's a potent comp- like, they all fall from those things.

Joe Rogan 57:22 Well, because there's great-

Tom Papa 57:23 They're desires.

Joe Rogan 57:24 ... there's great benefits to all those things, right? Sex feels great. If you have a lot of money, you can buy awesome things and you enjoy them and you feel like you've accomplished something.

Tom Papa 57:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:33 If you have a lot of celebrity, then everybody kisses your ass and he- he would walk in the room with his hands clasped together.

Tom Papa 57:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:38 And everybody would go crazy, but it's a different kind of celebrity, right? It's not ... His celebrity was not just like a, "Oh, there's Tom Papa. Dude, I love your bread show."

Tom Papa 57:47 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:48 It wasn't that.

Tom Papa 57:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:49 It was, "You have the answers. Oh, Swami."

Tom Papa 57:52 Well, that's- that-

Joe Rogan 57:53 "Oh, Osho."

Tom Papa 57:54 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:55 "Oh, Bhagwan Rajneeshi."

Tom Papa 57:56 But that's the- that's the ultimate power, is celebrity mixed with God, mixed with the answer to that.

Joe Rogan 58:02 Mm-hmm. Guru.

Tom Papa 58:02 That, yeah, forget it.

Joe Rogan 58:03 Guru power, yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 58:04 Now- now you're off the charts.

Joe Rogan 58:06 Well, you get a little bit of that in yoga classes. There was a yoga class that I used to go to where the guy was the instructor, was banging some of the students.

Tom Papa 58:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:13 And, uh, he was slimy.

Tom Papa 58:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:16 It was like you could tell.

Tom Papa 58:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:18 He would- he would sing in class, like, singing, like, Hindu songs.

Tom Papa 58:22 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 58:22 And I'm like, "P- bro, you are killing my buzz."

Tom Papa 58:24 Yeah, "I'm out of there."

Joe Rogan 58:25 Like, "But you're so white."

Tom Papa 58:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:27 "Like, everything about it ..." He was just like- he was a- a- a slippery guy.

Tom Papa 58:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:32 Like, and his thing was being this- this really spiritual yoga guy.

Tom Papa 58:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:38 And these 40-year-old women whose husbands were tired of fucking them, they would really, you know-

Tom Papa 58:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:43 ... kind of get into him. Next thing you know, he'd be giving them privates, air-

Tom Papa 58:46 Of course.

Joe Rogan 58:48 ... air quotes, privates.

Tom Papa 58:49 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:49 Some bow chicka bah boh.

Tom Papa 58:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:51 And he would probably, you know, talk to them about sensuality and-

Tom Papa 58:56 Of course, and their aura.

Joe Rogan 58:58 ... and- and then- and then probably lay some shit down about, "You know, one of the main problems in relationships is their- the passion sometimes ebbs when there's a loss of respect and appreciation for each other as individuals, as unique souls." "Yes, I'm experiencing that in my relationship." "I'm so sorry to hear that."

Tom Papa 59:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:16 "So sorry to hear that. The boundaries of intimacy should not be related."

Tom Papa 59:19 Is it me, but I feel like I'm seeing the real you that no one else sees.

Joe Rogan 59:22 Yeah, sure.

Tom Papa 59:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:23 "The boundaries of intimacy should not be confined by a piece of paper. You know, I mean, it's obviously that the vows of your marriage have already been broken by your husband who's not nice to you anymore."

Tom Papa 59:33 (laughs) "Let me write down the apart- my apartment in Encino." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:37 "Clothe you up with some of this sweet yoga dick."

Tom Papa 59:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:40 Bounce, bow bow. "I walk around barefoot-"

Tom Papa 59:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:42 "... everywhere."

Tom Papa 59:43 The hot yoga guy did that.

Joe Rogan 59:45 "I'm so in touch with nature."

Tom Papa 59:46 The hot yoga guy, he got busted for sleeping with all these women and-

Joe Rogan 59:49 Who was the hot yoga guy?

Tom Papa 59:49 He was the hot yoga-

Joe Rogan 59:51 Oh, Bikram?

Tom Papa 59:51 The Bikram guy, right?

Joe Rogan 59:52 Oh.

Tom Papa 59:52 Was it he the guy?

Joe Rogan 59:53 Yeah, more than that. He fucked everybody.

Tom Papa 59:55 (laughs) He did.

Joe Rogan 59:55 But more- more than that, he was accused of sexual assault. He wasn't-

Tom Papa 59:58 Yeah, he was attacking them.

Joe Rogan 59:59 Yeah, my guy wasn't sexually assaulting anybody, he was just slipping the dick in.

Tom Papa 1:00:04 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 They were allowing it. They wanted the dick. Like, there's a difference, you know? But then there's some people that say-

Tom Papa 1:00:10 It's power. It's a power move.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 Yeah. Well, some people say that that's abuse, that the- the- the yoga guru who manipulates the woman and- and then fucks her, that he is, in a way, s- uh, definitely being guilty of sexual misconduct-

Tom Papa 1:00:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 ... and perhaps even, like, something more egregious because there's a relationship that they have between the guru and the student-

Tom Papa 1:00:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 ... and he's violating that trust and that power dynamic.

Tom Papa 1:00:37 Yes, that's-... Catholic Church, right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 But, no-

Tom Papa 1:00:40 I mean, it's the same thing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 ... no, it's not.

Tom Papa 1:00:42 The power dynamic. What do you mean, no?

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 A 40-year-old married woman and a fucking yoga teacher is not the same as a little kid and a priest.

Tom Papa 1:00:49 But it's using power for them to get the same thing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 Oh, no, it's not. One of them is rape and abuse. The other one is a lady who wants dick.

Tom Papa 1:00:56 Well, you didn't say she wanted dick, you said she-

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Of course she wants it.

Tom Papa 1:00:59 ... you said he was-

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 She's four years older. Your husband doesn't touch her.

Tom Papa 1:01:00 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 You've just twisted this around.

Tom Papa 1:01:01 You said that she was-

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 You need to correct and apologize-

Tom Papa 1:01:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 ... to all those yoga teachers out there fucking their students.

Tom Papa 1:01:06 No, it's a violation. If you're a guru-

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Is it?

Tom Papa 1:01:08 ... and anything that's a teacher and we- below, you're using that, you're manipulating that person.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 Okay. But wasn't that, like, a big part of, like, uh, undergraduate students and professors back in the day? They can't do that anymore.

Tom Papa 1:01:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 That was a big thing.

Tom Papa 1:01:23 No, in my high school, like, the basketball teacher ended up marrying, like, his best, uh, girl basketball player.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 Hey.

Tom Papa 1:01:31 And, you know, happy ending.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Did it work out?

Tom Papa 1:01:33 Yeah, it worked out.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Oh. Well, how old was she and him?

Tom Papa 1:01:35 He was probably 30-something and she was-

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 She was 17?

Tom Papa 1:01:39 ... s- 17.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Whoa. When did they get married?

Tom Papa 1:01:40 Playing basketball. I don't know, after their-

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 They get ... They hook up after school?

Tom Papa 1:01:45 ... you know, 20s? Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Or during school?

Tom Papa 1:01:46 No. Apparently, it was during.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 (gasps)

Tom Papa 1:01:48 And then they ended up, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 Was it legal then?

Tom Papa 1:01:51 No. It was on the-

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 Well, no, no, no, no, no. I- uh, ma- in many states, it probably was legal at 17.

Tom Papa 1:01:56 I don't think ... In Jersey?

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Yes. I guarantee you it was. What year?

Tom Papa 1:02:00 1985, '86.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 I guarantee you it was.

Tom Papa 1:02:02 You think ... 17 was legal?

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 Yeah, I bet it was legal.

Tom Papa 1:02:05 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 I bet it s- I bet 16 was legal.

Tom Papa 1:02:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Yeah. In a lot of states-

Tom Papa 1:02:09 I mean, look, it's not to say that there can't be a happy ending when somebody is the teacher or the-

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 Oh, no. I'm-

Tom Papa 1:02:13 ... or the guru.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 No, I'm on your side. I- I mean, it's definitely a violation.

Tom Papa 1:02:16 But it is a manipulation. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 What's the age of consent in 198- No, New Jersey age of 16 years old.

Tom Papa 1:02:21 16?

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Yep.

Tom Papa 1:02:23 Wow. I could've hit on Miss Crew.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 Okay, but hold on a second. Consent for sexual conduct at 16, this applies to both heterosexual and homosexual conduct as a general matter. This means that a person who is 16 years old can generally consent to have sex with any adult. And this is in 2018.

Tom Papa 1:02:40 That's today.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 That's today. So here's the thing.

Tom Papa 1:02:43 How crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 So here's the thing. Like, you know this Asia Argento thing?

Tom Papa 1:02:47 Mm. N- oh, yes, yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 You know, this thing that's going on right now?

Tom Papa 1:02:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 So this 17-year-old kid-

Tom Papa 1:02:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 ... when, uh, he had sex with her, it was in California, so he's saying it's sexual assault because she had sex with him, and then she got Tony Bourdain to pay this kid off $300 plus thousand to shut his mouth. And then it came out that she was a hypocrite because she seduced this kid and fucked him, and she had played his mom in a movie 10 years prior when he was only seven, which is really kinda crazy.

Tom Papa 1:03:20 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 There's pictures of her and the kid when the kid was a, like, a little kid.

Tom Papa 1:03:25 Oh, geez.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 And she stayed close to him and called him, like, her son and he would call her mom and stuff like that. And then they got together and she lied about it and said she didn't fuck him, and then pictures came out of her in bed with him and then-

Tom Papa 1:03:37 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 ... her friends re-

Tom Papa 1:03:38 W- these text messages, uh, w- was she ag- Jeez.

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 She's a fucking monster.

Tom Papa 1:03:42 Was he- was he of-

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 I mean, in a way.

Tom Papa 1:03:43 ... was he of legal age when they had sex?

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 No. This is my point. He was 17 at the time, so it would've been totally legal if this happened in New Jersey.

Tom Papa 1:03:51 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 But it happened in California.

Tom Papa 1:03:53 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 But this is all going on while she was making a big deal of Harvey Weinstein having sex with her when she was 22.

Tom Papa 1:03:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 Like, Jesus fucking Christ. Like-

Tom Papa 1:03:59 That was crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 ... hypocrites.

Tom Papa 1:04:00 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 You know, the whole thing's crazy. But my point is, first of all, let's be honest about that situation. I mean, 17s, he's gonna be okay. Th- I'm just saying.

Tom Papa 1:04:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 Even if it's illegal-

Tom Papa 1:04:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 ... it's just not the same for boys. It is not the same.

Tom Papa 1:04:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 Should she have done it? Eh, probably not. Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:04:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 Definitely probably not. Should she be locked up in a cage for 10 years for doing that?

Tom Papa 1:04:27 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 No. She's a freak. All right? That lady's a freak.

Tom Papa 1:04:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:04:32 So she was ... He was 17, but-

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 But she's more guilty of being a hypocrite than anything.

Tom Papa 1:04:37 Did she stay in touch with him all those years from-

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 Yes.

Tom Papa 1:04:39 ... when she was playing the mom?

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Yes. The real creepy picture's her in the movie with him when-

Tom Papa 1:04:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 ... he was, like, a little kid.

Tom Papa 1:04:45 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 Uh, ugh. But it's not as creepy as Woody Allen, when he had his daughter sitting on his lap and then, 10 years later, that same daughter is holding his hand as his girlfriend in a-

Tom Papa 1:04:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 ... in the front row of a basketball game.

Tom Papa 1:04:55 Yeah, that's kinda weird. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 You think? That's-

Tom Papa 1:04:58 That's a little weird.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 ... way creepier. That's way ... And, uh, you know ...

Tom Papa 1:05:02 That is so weird.

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 I don't know if there's even r- a reason to make that comparison. But, uh, the ... my point is, that kid would have no case at all if this was in New Jersey.

Tom Papa 1:05:13 Right. 16.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 If it was in New Jersey, which I don't think he should have a case.

Tom Papa 1:05:16 Does he ... Is he prosecuting? Like, or-

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 Oh, he- he apparently threatened to go public with it and he wanted money.

Tom Papa 1:05:22 And they gave him money?

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 Anthony Bourdain did. Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:05:25 And gave him a lot? 300-

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 $380,000.

Tom Papa 1:05:27 Oh my God. And even after he got paid, he comes out?

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 That is the most expensive dick that lady will ever get.

Tom Papa 1:05:33 (laughs) Then he comes out?

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 He comes ... It came out anyway.

Tom Papa 1:05:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 I don't know why it came out, I don't know who released it.

Tom Papa 1:05:40 Harvey Weinstein.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Somebody... Well, somebody released it. I don't know what happened. But what they're basically showing is that th- this whole thing, you know, of her-

Tom Papa 1:05:51 Attacking.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 ... being attacked by Harvey Weinstein, it's complicated.

Tom Papa 1:05:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 Maybe he did exact what she said he did. It's possible. But she clearly is deceptive. She definitely lied about this kid.

Tom Papa 1:06:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 See, the problem is the age of consent being 17. If- if it was 18 or if it was s- you know, if he was 18, rather, or if it was, like, in New Jersey where it's 16, there's no case and she just fucked a young kid. And (sighs) I'm just gonna be honest. The only thing that's creepy is that they had this sort of mom-son thing-

Tom Papa 1:06:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 ... going on where they talked about each other as mom and son.

Tom Papa 1:06:25 Yeah, that's weird.

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 If she was just a hot 35-year-old who had sex with a, a handsome 17-year-old boy ...

Tom Papa 1:06:31 Right. Yeah, 17's a ... that's a man.

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 It's just ... It's not the same thing. It's not the same thing.

Tom Papa 1:06:36 Oh, when I was