Joe Rogan Experience #1165 - Tom Papa

1. 0:02 – 1:41

   Tiny-cabin fantasies: trading “bigger and better” for a simple life

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Four, three, two, one. Yee-haw! Tom Papa.

   2. TPTom Papa0:09

      Ah!

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      (sighs) We were just talking about moving in the woods together.

   4. TPTom Papa0:13

      (sighs) This feels so good.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Little tiny house with three pairs of shoes, three pairs of pants-

   6. TPTom Papa0:18

      Maybe two.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      ... two shirts.

   8. TPTom Papa0:20

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      (sighs)

   10. TPTom Papa0:21

       That's it. The last clothing you'll ever buy. One coat.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Yeah. Everybody's just out here-

   12. TPTom Papa0:27

       (sighs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... chasing bigger and better, Tom Papa.

   14. TPTom Papa0:29

       Just why? Why?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       I, I'm, I'm starting to wonder.

   16. TPTom Papa0:33

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       I was telling you guys that I was looking at this house that is for sale in Northern California in the Redwoods. It's 32-

   18. TPTom Papa0:39

       (exhales)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       ... no, 320 feet square.

   20. TPTom Papa0:42

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Tiny-ass fucking house.

   22. TPTom Papa0:43

       The whole house?

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       The whole house. It's got a loft. The loft is where you sleep in.

   24. TPTom Papa0:47

       (laughs) A tiny home?

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       The tiny thing below it is, like, a little tiny kitchen-

   26. TPTom Papa0:51

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       ... and a little tiny, like, couch area-

   28. TPTom Papa0:53

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       ... and that's it.

   30. TPTom Papa0:54

       Like a houseboat, like, with, like, built-in things-
2. 1:41 – 2:35

   “Make it a studio in the woods”: the Big Bear podcast idea and practical obstacles

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:41

      You know what we should do, Jamie?

   2. TPTom Papa1:42

      So simple.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:43

      We should buy that place and turn it into our Big Bear studio. That's what we should do. Do fucking sh- I bet the shows up there, I bet if we did a show-

   4. TPTom Papa1:50

      I don't-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:50

      ... in Big Bear in the woods like that, it would have a totally different feel to it.

   6. TPTom Papa1:54

      Yeah. 'Cause you'd be hearing s- your guests screaming in the background, being mauled by (laughs) mountain lions.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:01

      (laughs)

   8. TPTom Papa2:02

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:02

      But if you, if you did (laughs) , if you did do a show up there, how the fuck would you convince people to drive two hours to Big Bear?

   10. TPTom Papa2:08

       Couldn't we get there people that are training up there or something like that? Maybe they could pop over and be-

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       Yeah, yeah. Like four guys.

   12. TPTom Papa2:13

       (laughs) A couple of them are on their shows or something.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       Gennady Golovkin, Gennady Golovkin and Tito Ortiz would come over every day.

   14. TPTom Papa2:17

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       And then you'd be like, "Okay, I get it. You hate Chuck Liddell."

   16. TPTom Papa2:19

       Maybe a snowboard.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:20

       "I get it. I get it. Canelo's a pussy. I get it." (laughs)

   18. TPTom Papa2:26

       (laughs) I don't know. I mean, the fantasy is that that becomes a simple life. You pare down everything, all the aggravation. You get maybe two bills come to the house.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       I'll tell you what.

   20. TPTom Papa2:34

       But once you go crazy-

3. 2:35 – 4:34

   Family reality check: hideouts, empty nests, and “dog moms”

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:35

      If I didn't have a family, it wouldn't be a problem.

   2. TPTom Papa2:38

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:38

      If, if it was just single Joe-

   4. TPTom Papa2:40

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      ... no family, no kids-

   6. TPTom Papa2:42

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:42

      ... it wouldn't be a problem.

   8. TPTom Papa2:43

      (sighs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:43

      I would just go... I mean, I would, I really probably think I would alread- I would already have a place like that up there-

   10. TPTom Papa2:48

       (laughs) Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       ... where I could just go and chill.

   12. TPTom Papa2:50

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       I just think-

   14. TPTom Papa2:52

       I was thinking of just a little place like that, like a, like a little hideout next to the house, like Mark Twain had.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       Did he have a place like that next to his house?

   16. TPTom Papa3:00

       Yes. He had a little, little octagon kind of a pl- room, and he would leave his house with his daughters and his wife, and he would go up the steps and go into his little thing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       Mm.

   18. TPTom Papa3:10

       And on this table was just his pipe, uh, a box of cigars, his writing pads, his pens.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       Mm.

   20. TPTom Papa3:18

       And he just would hang out there and smoke all day, and work, and then he would go back home. Maybe that's enough. Maybe that cuts the edge off. It gives you your isolation and your simplicity. And then you return back to the people you have to feed.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       It's a little something.

   22. TPTom Papa3:35

       (sighs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       That'll work if you've got the people you have to feed. If you don't have the people-

   24. TPTom Papa3:38

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       ... you have to feed, straight woods, bro.

   26. TPTom Papa3:40

       Oh, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       Cut a path.

   28. TPTom Papa3:42

       Well, that's gonna be the real trick. When the kids leave, when they get big enough and they take off-

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       Right.

   30. TPTom Papa3:47

       ... and it's just down to you and your wife.
4. 4:34 – 6:39

   Why we always want more: genes, capitalism, and the stress of accumulation

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:34

      Mm. What i- but what is it about people that want to further complicate their lives? Like, what is it? Why, why does everybody always want bigger? Is that just a part of the-

   2. TPTom Papa4:43

      (sighs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:44

      ... the genes? Is that what it is? Like, what is it?

   4. TPTom Papa4:47

      Well, we have, I think, a drive in us to always do more, explore more, push more.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      Right.

   6. TPTom Papa4:51

      Right? There's something built into human beings that have that. And then we have a system that rewards that in capitalism, so that's the, that's the (clicks tongue) , that's the board game that we're all playing. So, it keeps you racing to get more stuff and bigger house and more things.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:07

      Right.

   8. TPTom Papa5:07

      You know what I mean? Like, if there was, if that didn't exist, if you weren't able to accumulate that stuff, what would we be doing? We'd still be striving, but for other stuff. But this is our reality, so the... it manifests itself in more cars, a bigger house, you know?

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:22

      Yeah. It's like you-

   10. TPTom Papa5:23

       Fiber optics.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:24

       Right. You're always trying-

   12. TPTom Papa5:25

       The internet. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       You're always trying to survive, but surviving is not that hard today.

   14. TPTom Papa5:30

       Right. Good point.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:32

       So, so you try to instead, you know, 'cause it's not too complicated to go find your food-

   16. TPTom Papa5:36

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:37

       ... there's not a lot of, like, puzzles and challenges.

   18. TPTom Papa5:41

       Shelters taken care of.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:43

       Right. So you start thinking, "You know what? (clicks tongue) (sighs) I just need a new car."

   20. TPTom Papa5:48

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:48

       "This car is two years old."

   22. TPTom Papa5:49

       Yeah. (laughs) Right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:53

       (laughs)

   24. TPTom Papa5:53

       This car's got 20,000 miles on it. Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       It's ridiculous. Why am I driving a car with 20,000 miles on it?

   26. TPTom Papa5:59

       This is gross. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       It smells like my farts.

   28. TPTom Papa6:00

       (laughs) Yeah. No, it makes you... Yeah, you just keep going. But then I think you do that long enough, you start to realize-

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       ... hopefully, that that stuff doesn't really make you ha- happier. It, it does to an extent, like when you get out of your poor days- Mm-hmm. ... and you kind of, like, get above water and you c- help your family out and you get some stuff you're proud of, but then you just are adding more stress. Yeah. 'Cause your bigger bills and bigger taxes and all the stuff you've got to fill up, it, it actually does the opposite. It makes you more stressed and you're not as happy, and then you gotta kind of strike that balance. It seems like it's, uh ... Jim Carrey has been on

5. 6:39 – 16:51

   Fame, happiness, and political art: Jim Carrey’s paintings and satire’s limits

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:39

      this kick- Mm-hmm. ... explaining that to people, 'cause, you know, Jim Carrey said ... I, I think ... I'm paraphrasing him, but it's, it's ... basically his quote was, "I wish everybody would get rich and famous- (laughs) ... and, uh, they would see that that's not what makes you happy." Right. 'Cause, you know, people think that, "Hey, if I was rich and famous- Yeah. ... I would be happy." Yeah. And he said, "I wish that everyone would get rich and famous so they'd realize that that's not the answer." Yeah. What does he say is the answer? He likes to make paintings shitting on people, mocking them. That seems to make him happy. Oh, is that his art? Yeah, it's like- I know he paints. I didn't know. I'm like, "Hey." (laughs) "Wait a minute, where's the peace and love, bro?" (laughs) Oh really, it's aggressive? His, his paintings are all, like, shitting on people and mocking people- (laughs) Oh, really? ... that are clearly assholes. But, I mean, it's not like he's, like, trying to accentuate the love in the world. He's just- Right. (laughs) ... he's just shitting all over these bad people. (laughs) That makes him happy. Yeah. (laughs) I mean, I don't know. Is that good? Yeah. Is it good to focus on the bad people? Like, does- (laughs) ... does anybody change their opinion based on Jim Carrey's art? Like, does anybody go- I don't know. ... "You know what? I was, like, a big s- Jeff Sessions fan-" Right. (laughs) "... till I saw these paintings." (laughs) And then, yeah. With Jim Carrey's got him with a, a giant fucking wart-covered dick- (laughs) ... holding it out in front of him, jizzing all over the Constitution. (laughs) (laughs) His little Yoda head. Yeah, his little ... Yeah. Uh- Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That's always a question. It's like how much, how much of art that rails against something is effective in changing that thing that you're railing against? Like- I do- ... does it actually have an impact? Is it a slow impact? Does it change over time? I don't know. I think it depends on the art. Here's a, here's an example. I think Tina Fey legitimately changed the way people feel about Sarah Palin. Uh-huh. I think she legitimately may have affected the way people were willing to accept Sarah Palin or vote for her, because her impression of her was so brilliant. Uh-huh. I don't know if people remember it. Oh, yeah. It was so goddamn good. She (laughs) looked exactly like her. She looked like her. Her attitude. And she said things that people eventually attributed to Sarah Palin- (laughs) ... because they thought that Sarah Palin actually said it 'cause Tina Fey said it. Yeah. She, she fucking nailed it. Dude, she's so funny. Her show, uh, Timmy f- uh, Kimmy Schmidt. Have you seen that show, The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt? Yeah, a couple of them. It's one of my favorite shows. Oh, yeah? It's so good. It's- (laughs) It's Tina Fey's show. Yeah, I know. And she's in it sometimes. She plays a, uh- The lead is great. Yeah. Oh, look at her. That just ... Optimistic. I mean, get the fuck outta here. (laughs) That is so crazy. That's so great. (laughs) We're, we're ... right now, the audio folks, we're looking at an image of Tina Fey as Sarah Palin right next to Sarah Palin, and it's fucking indistinguishable almost. (laughs) It's so good. Wow. But did she ... Do you think she affected people who already liked Sarah Palin? They don't ... If you like Sarah Palin, you don't know what you like. (laughs) You're out of your fucking mind. If you (laughs) ... If those people like Sarah Palin, they were out of their fucking minds. They're ... I mean, they're basically- (yawns) ... working with a, uh, less than functional brain. She was- If you thought that that was a good idea that that lady could be running things- Yeah, like that close to (laughs) being president. She was a construct, too, you know. She was an entertainer. But not ... No, but I mean, Sarah Palin was a construct. She wasn't what everybody thought she was. Like, there was, like, there was one, uh ... There's this story. I don't ... I, I'm not 100% sure this is true, but it makes sense. Mm-hmm. That someone shot a caribou and then they drove her to the caribou, they gave her the rifle, and she stood over the caribou and took photos. Uh-huh. So that they could show, hey, she's a hunter. Right. She's like us, us regular folk, out here hunting caribou. Yeah. Find out if that's true. Just a- You gonna Google that? ... public relations kind of thing? Yeah, I need to ... We need to Google if that's true. Weird. Clarification. I, I believe it, you know. Yeah, of course. You know, that's all ... That's the way all that stuff is. But do I believe it 'cause I want to believe it? Am I an asshole? Hmm. Um- Maybe she's just a good, down- Well, you're ... I wouldn't say you're an asshole, but- Maybe she's a good, down-home woman. (laughs) Yeah. Hey, look, she was the governor of Alaska. That's easy. I could be the governor of Alaska too. (laughs) You have to have ... She had showbiz. Okay, Sarah Palin shoots- So you can count that. ... caribou after missing five times. Shown shooting a caribou on the latest episode of her reality television show. Okay. Yeah. What's amazing- Wow. ... is how that she really fell off, like- Wait a minute. Is she just shooting it freehand? She ha- ... She doesn't have a rest? Okay. Why, why would you do that? (laughs) Okay, lemme see. She's on- Let's sh- show this. Lemme see how she does. Okay, this is fucking stupid. Listen, folks, the only reason to do this ... Does she have a rest? She ha- ... She's freehanding this. How f- ... Okay. Lookit, they got the packs on it. (laughs) Now she's gonna rest it. Hmm. I don't- They said a rest is fine. A tiny little caribou, too. That car- ... That's why the caribou is still around. She's just firing. That's who- That's a, that's a juvenile caribou. No, she hasn't shot yet. Let's see. What we got here? I think she has. Yeah. Oh, it went down. She, she took some shots. Oh, she took- Yeah. ... took some shots and missed? Yeah. Okay, that's why. So she freehanded it first and then she needed a rest. She should've used the rest immediately. And I've, I've shot animals freehanding but not ... never far away. I shot a moose at 60 yards, freehanded. What's wrong with freehanding it? 'Cause you're not as accurate. Yeah. You know, with, with a bow-... well, a bow is more accurate. Um, ho- honestly, a bow, I'm more accurate with a bow at, like, 60, 70 yards freehand. Not more accurate, but in the range-

   2. TPTom Papa12:21

      Uh-huh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:22

      ... than I am with a rifle. With a rifle, when you get out, you could shoot accurately on a rest, like way out longer distances. But when you're just holding it up like that, it's based on y- I mean, you gotta kinda lock it into your body, but it's hard to-

   4. TPTom Papa12:35

      But isn't a bow-

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:35

      ... keep it steady. Now a bow, the thing is about the tension of the bow.

   6. TPTom Papa12:39

      Uh-huh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:39

      Your arm is kinda locked out and the tension of the bow, you could keep-

   8. TPTom Papa12:43

      It's-

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:43

      ... your arm pretty fucking steady.

   10. TPTom Papa12:44

       Oh, okay.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:45

       And I practice it every day like that.

   12. TPTom Papa12:48

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       So I'm practicing keeping my arm very steady every day, so all these stabilizer muscles in my shoulder are very strong.

   14. TPTom Papa12:54

       And having a gun out there is just like, "Woo."

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       It's just a little (clears throat) it's a l- and also, there's like the recoil. If you're not used to shooting, and it doesn't look like she's used to shooting.

   16. TPTom Papa13:02

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:02

       She didn't immediately go for the rest. Like a- a- a seasoned hunter would have either lain prone or throw their pack down immediately, put that rifle over it and settle in.

   18. TPTom Papa13:12

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       So the rifles resting on something.

   20. TPTom Papa13:14

       Gotcha.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       But, you know, but a lot of times, they'll bring, like, sticks-

   22. TPTom Papa13:18

       But they-

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:18

       ... and a pod.

   24. TPTom Papa13:19

       But they also weren't making a, uh, reality show for TLC.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:22

       See, but-

   26. TPTom Papa13:23

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:23

       See, what I've read though, that there was a photo shoot they did. See, see if you can find this.

   28. GUGuest13:28

       This shot, this shot's fake. Do you think that the shot she-

   29. TPTom Papa13:29

       Why do you think it's fake?

   30. GUGuest13:30

       Well, they just put a circle around the caribou-
6. 16:51 – 22:01

   Trump-era media anger: deep-state narratives, “POTUS” code words, and merch culture

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:51

      Well, I just think that they've realized that there's a certain percentage of the people that are with them that just need some wiggle room.

   2. TPTom Papa16:59

      Uh-huh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:59

      They just need somewhere t- argue. They just need-

   4. TPTom Papa17:01

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:01

      ... some conspiracy threat. They're not thinkers.

   6. TPTom Papa17:04

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:04

      They just need a little bit of something that they can run with and use to argue.

   8. TPTom Papa17:08

      So if comedians come out and attack Trump and, you know, there's comics that are... you know, Bill Maher and all these people that come out and really go against him, does it have any effect?

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:18

      It has an effect.

   10. TPTom Papa17:19

       It does?

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       Yes, for sure. I think Alec Baldwin has the most effect.

   12. TPTom Papa17:22

       Uh-huh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       That- that impression he does.

   14. TPTom Papa17:23

       When he does the impression of him? (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       That- that impression's brilliant.

   16. TPTom Papa17:26

       Yeah. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:27

       It's very good. (laughs)

   18. TPTom Papa17:28

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:28

       I mean, it makes Trump angry, too.

   20. TPTom Papa17:30

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:30

       If Trump keeps shitting on it-

   22. TPTom Papa17:31

       And he keeps watching it. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:32

       (laughs)

   24. TPTom Papa17:32

       He can't stop watching it. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:34

       That alone has an effect.

   26. TPTom Papa17:37

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:37

       You know?

   28. TPTom Papa17:38

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:38

       But it's, uh... It's- it's like I've never seen a time where people are more angry at the press and, like, uh-

   30. TPTom Papa17:45

       (sighs)
7. 22:01 – 23:26

   Tom Papa’s bread series ‘Baked’: origin story, premiere details, and keto temptation

   1. TPTom Papa22:01

      Hey, can I announce my new show?

   2. JRJoe Rogan22:03

      No.

   3. TPTom Papa22:03

      Come on.

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:04

      No, it's not worth it.

   5. TPTom Papa22:05

      It's big.

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:06

      No, it's too dangerous.

   7. TPTom Papa22:07

      You spawned it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:07

      You're taking a chance.

   9. TPTom Papa22:09

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:09

       Why are you doing this?

   11. TPTom Papa22:12

       I know, right? Exactly.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:13

       (laughs)

   13. TPTom Papa22:14

       I'll be fired before it starts.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:15

       The risks.

   15. TPTom Papa22:16

       He a- he announced the show on Rogan and then he was canceled by the time he got off.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:20

       'Cause... "They were talking about midgets?' 'They're assholes and Mormons are wonderful people.' "

   17. TPTom Papa22:27

       (laughs) It's true, once you have a boss.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:30

       Yeah.

   19. TPTom Papa22:31

       No, my show starts Monday night.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       The bread show?

   21. TPTom Papa22:33

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:33

       What's it called?

   23. TPTom Papa22:34

       Baked.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:35

       Ooh, I like it. Baked.

   25. TPTom Papa22:36

       It's baked. Look at that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:37

       Oh, look how handsome you look.

   27. TPTom Papa22:39

       It started here, Joe. The whole thing started here.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       I like how you have a subtle smile. It's like, "I'm happy, but, you know, I'm pretty serious about bread."

   29. TPTom Papa22:45

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:47

       (laughs)
8. 23:26 – 30:12

   Dogs, trails, and hazards: antlers, rattlesnakes, and why venom is terrifying

   1. TPTom Papa23:26

      But I knew you were in, uh... Probably in keto, but I, you know, I always like to bring a treat.

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:31

      What'd you bring? What's this?

   3. TPTom Papa23:33

      I didn't want to, uh, come empty-handed.

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:36

      Ooh, what is it, sticks of butter?

   5. TPTom Papa23:38

      It's for Murphy.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:38

      Oh, it's bone marrow.

   7. TPTom Papa23:40

      It's elk.

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:41

      Oh, my goodness. So-

   9. TPTom Papa23:42

      Elk antlers for-

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:44

       Can I eat this?

   11. TPTom Papa23:44

       You can't.

   12. JRJoe Rogan23:45

       No. Your dog can.

   13. TPTom Papa23:46

       It's for Murph.

   14. JRJoe Rogan23:47

       (laughs)

   15. TPTom Papa23:47

       Marshall, you mean. I mean Marshall.

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:49

       Yeah.

   17. TPTom Papa23:49

       I thought it was Murph.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:50

       Oh, he'll go crazy with these.

   19. TPTom Papa23:51

       Yeah. They're, uh...

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:52

       Dude, that's like one of those. Just sawed off.

   21. TPTom Papa23:53

       My dog went crazy over those. Did you ever give, give your dog them?

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:57

       Yeah. Yeah, he's got one at home right now.

   23. TPTom Papa23:58

       He does?

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:59

       Yeah, he's got some sort of an antler. He loves it.

   25. TPTom Papa24:01

       Loves it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:01

       They go crazy.

   27. TPTom Papa24:03

       But-

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:03

       They just chew all the- the marrow out over time.

   29. TPTom Papa24:06

       Yeah. You look so happy when you're with your dog.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:08

       Oh, I love that dog.
9. 30:12 – 39:50

   Pit bulls and powerful breeds: prey drive, loyalty, and hard truths about aggression

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      But those dogs were crazy. Those dogs had been bitten three times.

   2. TPTom Papa30:16

      Oh my God.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      Yeah, my dogs had been bitten three times by snakes.

   4. TPTom Papa30:19

      So they knew.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      They just killed the snakes. They didn't give a fuck.

   6. TPTom Papa30:22

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Pit bulls are so crazy.

   8. TPTom Papa30:23

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      They're the craziest dogs. They're so hardwired for combat.

   10. TPTom Papa30:28

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       Like, they're... The rattlesnake was like, "Ugh," and the pit bull was like, "Fuck you."

   12. TPTom Papa30:33

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       (laughs) He just, he just grabbed him-

   14. TPTom Papa30:35

       It's go time.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       ... and, and killed him.

   16. TPTom Papa30:37

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       They didn't even worry for a second that he got bit in the face. And one time, he got bit-

   18. TPTom Papa30:42

       Ugh.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       ... he's been bit in the fa- he got bit in the face a coup- this was Frank Sinatra.

   20. TPTom Papa30:45

       Great.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       It was his name.

   22. TPTom Papa30:46

       That's great. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       One time, he got-

   24. TPTom Papa30:47

       I love that you named a dog Sinatra.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       He got ... He was the craziest dog I've ever had. That dog killed everything he could.

   26. TPTom Papa30:52

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       His, his main game was I'd leave him in the yard and he'd try-

   28. TPTom Papa30:55

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       ... to kill lizards. His main game was like ... It was like a, a video game. He would just walk around the yard, coming stomping on the grass, looking for lizards, and then dive on them. It was like-

   30. TPTom Papa31:03

       (laughs)
10. 39:50 – 43:08

    Modern overwhelm: weed-induced productivity panic, email mountains, and mental clutter

    1. TPTom Papa39:50

       You want me to get that in the back, so when I get high, I think about it incessantly.

    2. JRJoe Rogan39:54

       (laughs)

    3. TPTom Papa39:54

       And it fucks with my head. Is that what happens?

    4. JRJoe Rogan39:57

       To me.

    5. TPTom Papa39:58

       Yeah?

    6. JRJoe Rogan39:59

       Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's number one thing that happens.

    7. TPTom Papa40:01

       You ever get high and then you realize, "Oh, I haven't been thinking about this at all," and then when you're high, it's the only thing you're thinking about?

    8. JRJoe Rogan40:06

       Oh, for sure. Things that I'd, I'd, you know, should have been thinking about, like, a year ago. (laughs)

    9. TPTom Papa40:12

       (laughs) Right? You're like-

    10. JRJoe Rogan40:14

        Like, "Why is this... I gotta fix that sprinkler. How much is that leaking water? How much water is that leaking? What if we run outta water?" And then I have to think about all the water that was-

    11. TPTom Papa40:22

        (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:22

        ... leaking 'cause the sprinkler's broken.

    13. TPTom Papa40:24

        I should just do it. What's wrong with me that I don't just do that?

    14. JRJoe Rogan40:26

        I should just... Why can't I just make that call?

    15. TPTom Papa40:28

        (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:28

        How hard is it to make that call? You know what freaks me out lately?

    17. TPTom Papa40:31

        I'm gonna do it on Monday.

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:31

        Emails. There's no way I can keep up. It's impossible now at this point.

    19. TPTom Papa40:34

        Do you have a number that you try and stay below in your inbox?

    20. JRJoe Rogan40:38

        No.

    21. TPTom Papa40:39

        That's how I do it.

    22. JRJoe Rogan40:40

        No.

    23. TPTom Papa40:40

        If I can stay... If I, if I'm under 75, I know I'm, uh, I'm on top of it.

    24. JRJoe Rogan40:46

        75? I'm gonna show you something that's making your fucking hair spin.

    25. TPTom Papa40:49

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:51

        Look at that number.

    27. TPTom Papa40:52

        Where are we?

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:53

        The upper left.

    29. TPTom Papa40:54

        4655. In one account?

    30. JRJoe Rogan40:57

        Good luck with those.
11. 43:08 – 50:58

    Esports in the Olympics: IOC money motives, what counts as a sport, and wrestling drama

    1. TPTom Papa43:08

       Uh, I was reading about, uh, that they're thinking about putting, uh, video gaming in the Olympics.

    2. GUGuest43:16

       Whoa.

    3. TPTom Papa43:17

       Yeah. And the way they were talking about it, they, they were like, "This is inevitable. This is going to be in the Olympics." And these, uh, kids consider themselves athletes. The only hangup that they had on it was that the video games are violent.

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:29

       (laughs)

    5. TPTom Papa43:29

       And they don't wanna promote that. But to me, it was like, (laughs) well, wait, are they (laughs) -

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:34

       Well-

    7. TPTom Papa43:34

       ... is this really a sport?

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:35

       This is the Olympics trying to cash in. That's all that is.

    9. TPTom Papa43:39

       Uh-huh.

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:39

        I think, I think Olympics are dirty. I think it's a dirty business. And, uh, this was highlighted by the movie Icarus. If you-

    11. TPTom Papa43:47

        Right, oh, I saw that.

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:48

        ... if you watch that movie and you realize how, uh, the IOC is in bed with the World Anti-Doping Agency and how, you know, how they sort of function together and-

    13. TPTom Papa44:00

        Right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan44:00

        ... what it really is all about is making money. And anything that compromises that making money, they're gonna vote against it. It, it's just, it's not, it's a dirty business.

    15. TPTom Papa44:11

        Right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:11

        And if they did have it in the Olympics, what they would basically do is take these guys who are making millions and millions of dollars playing video games at a professional level.

    17. TPTom Papa44:19

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:20

        And, uh-

    19. TPTom Papa44:20

        Millions?

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:21

        They would make them (laughs) work for free, and then they would make all the millions and millions of dollars. But they say, "But yeah, you get to be in the Olympics."

    21. TPTom Papa44:27

        Right.

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:27

        It's a dirty business. I think the Olympics are dirty.

    23. TPTom Papa44:30

        Right.

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:30

        I really do.

    25. TPTom Papa44:32

        That's terrible.

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:32

        (clears throat) Yeah. Well, is chess in the Olympics? No.

    27. TPTom Papa44:35

        No.

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:35

        Well, why is it bad in the Olympics?

    29. TPTom Papa44:36

        They even took wrestling out.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:37

        But chess, you're actually moving pieces around. Video games-
12. 50:58 – 54:58

    Action movies and real training: John Wick gun handling, Roadhouse nostalgia, and Scientology riffs

    1. JRJoe Rogan50:58

       Well, that's very physically demanding. Like, you ever see the Keanu Reeves footage-

    2. TPTom Papa51:02

       No.

    3. JRJoe Rogan51:02

       ... when he's training for John Wick 2?

    4. TPTom Papa51:04

       No.

    5. JRJoe Rogan51:04

       Please, God, make John Wick 3.

    6. TPTom Papa51:06

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan51:06

       Please. (laughs)

    8. GUGuest51:06

       Have you seen the, have you seen the stuff of him running through Times Square on a horse shooting people in the head?

    9. JRJoe Rogan51:11

       In John Wick 3?

    10. GUGuest51:12

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan51:13

        They're already doing it?

    12. GUGuest51:13

        You haven't seen that?

    13. TPTom Papa51:14

        I- ... No.

    14. GUGuest51:15

        (laughs)

    15. TPTom Papa51:15

        (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:15

        Well, just sh- show the footage, first of all, the training footage for John Wick 2.

    17. TPTom Papa51:19

        He looks fly.

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:19

        John Wick 2, man, that motherfucker Keanu Reeves, he gets into it.

    19. TPTom Papa51:22

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan51:22

        He was training with my friend, Riga Machado, in, uh, jujitsu. So they, uh-

    21. TPTom Papa51:27

        Mr. Roboto?

    22. JRJoe Rogan51:28

        (coughs) No. Here he is.

    23. TPTom Papa51:30

        (laughs)

    24. JRJoe Rogan51:30

        Look at him. Give me some volume.

    25. GUGuest51:32

        (upbeat music) I'm working on me too.

    26. JRJoe Rogan51:36

        So, like, when you watch him shoot-

    27. TPTom Papa51:38

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan51:38

        ... in the movie, he looks very-

    29. TPTom Papa51:40

        He looks-

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:40

        ... comfortable shooting. And even his martial arts, like, the stuff that he's doing in the movie-
13. 54:58 – 1:02:44

    Cults and corruption: Wild Wild Country, guru power, and yoga-teacher predation

    1. JRJoe Rogan54:58

       Have you seen Wild Wild Country?

    2. TPTom Papa55:00

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan55:00

       Ooh.

    4. TPTom Papa55:01

       (laughs) Oh. I've been reading his book, the art- Osho's book, The Art of Living and Dying.

    5. JRJoe Rogan55:06

       Oh, yeah?

    6. TPTom Papa55:06

       It's very interesting.

    7. JRJoe Rogan55:08

       He-

    8. TPTom Papa55:08

       You know, it's- what's unique about him is that w- the- the things that he's saying are- are, like, legitimately profound and very interesting and, like, leg- legitimately, deeply philosophical.

    9. JRJoe Rogan55:21

       Mm-hmm.

    10. TPTom Papa55:21

        Like, you're reading it and you go, "Okay, this is a r- this guy was a real thinking person," and he was, like, deeply considering these things from all sorts of different angles.

    11. JRJoe Rogan55:30

        Mm-hmm.

    12. TPTom Papa55:30

        And yet he allowed that crazy Sheela lady to run his cult and poison people and-

    13. JRJoe Rogan55:38

        But even before that-

    14. TPTom Papa55:39

        ... plot assassinations.

    15. JRJoe Rogan55:40

        But even before that, he was collecting Rolls-Royces.

    16. TPTom Papa55:43

        Mm-hmm, yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan55:44

        And he was like- he was-

    18. TPTom Papa55:45

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan55:45

        He loved the ...

    20. TPTom Papa55:46

        Loved luxury.

    21. JRJoe Rogan55:47

        The- the problem ... Look, a lot of people have good ideas, they try and motivate people. It starts out, like, in th- these nice intentions, whatever.

    22. TPTom Papa55:53

        Mm-hmm.

    23. JRJoe Rogan55:54

        Once they taste money, that's it. It's over.

    24. TPTom Papa55:57

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan55:57

        Greed, it just takes you over and you can't shake it. And it's like, I- why would I be in a- in a, uh, Ford Taurus when I had a Rolls-Royce? (laughs) Well, how about just get one Rolls-Royce, bro?

    26. TPTom Papa56:08

        I know, but these people-

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:09

        Why do you have 22?

    28. TPTom Papa56:10

        Power, power and greed. It's- it's ... And celebrity.

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:14

        S- and-

    30. TPTom Papa56:14

        And then you can't shake it.
14. 1:02:44 – 1:47:46

    MeToo, consent laws, and public punishment: Asia Argento, Louis C.K., and PC backlash

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:02:44

       So here's the thing. Like, you know this Asia Argento thing?

    2. TPTom Papa1:02:47

       Mm. N- oh, yes, yes, yes.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:02:48

       You know, this thing that's going on right now?

    4. TPTom Papa1:02:49

       Yes.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:02:49

       So this 17-year-old kid-

    6. TPTom Papa1:02:51

       Right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:02:51

       ... when, uh, he had sex with her, it was in California, so he's saying it's sexual assault because she had sex with him, and then she got Tony Bourdain to pay this kid off $300 plus thousand to shut his mouth. And then it came out that she was a hypocrite because she seduced this kid and fucked him, and she had played his mom in a movie 10 years prior when he was only seven, which is really kinda crazy.

    8. TPTom Papa1:03:20

       Oh.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:03:20

       There's pictures of her and the kid when the kid was a, like, a little kid.

    10. TPTom Papa1:03:25

        Oh, geez.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:03:25

        And she stayed close to him and called him, like, her son and he would call her mom and stuff like that. And then they got together and she lied about it and said she didn't fuck him, and then pictures came out of her in bed with him and then-

    12. TPTom Papa1:03:37

        Ooh.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:03:37

        ... her friends re-

    14. TPTom Papa1:03:38

        W- these text messages, uh, w- was she ag- Jeez.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:03:41

        She's a fucking monster.

    16. TPTom Papa1:03:42

        Was he- was he of-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:43

        I mean, in a way.

    18. TPTom Papa1:03:43

        ... was he of legal age when they had sex?

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:03:46

        No. This is my point. He was 17 at the time, so it would've been totally legal if this happened in New Jersey.

    20. TPTom Papa1:03:51

        Ah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:03:51

        But it happened in California.

    22. TPTom Papa1:03:53

        Ooh.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:03:53

        But this is all going on while she was making a big deal of Harvey Weinstein having sex with her when she was 22.

    24. TPTom Papa1:03:57

        Right.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:03:58

        Like, Jesus fucking Christ. Like-

    26. TPTom Papa1:03:59

        That was crazy.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:59

        ... hypocrites.

    28. TPTom Papa1:04:00

        I know.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:04:01

        You know, the whole thing's crazy. But my point is, first of all, let's be honest about that situation. I mean, 17s, he's gonna be okay. Th- I'm just saying.

    30. TPTom Papa1:04:14

        (laughs)

Episode duration: 2:44:44