Joe Rogan Experience #1174 - Vinnie Paz

Vinnie Paz is a rapper and the lyricist behind the Philadelphia underground hip hop group Jedi Mind Tricks. He is also the frontman of the hip hop supergroup Army of the Pharaohs.

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Sep 27, 20182h 54mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:00 – 1:50
Swearing, “initials,” and authenticity as a trust signal
1. VPVinnie Paz
  ... (laughs)
2. JRJoe Rogan
  If they don't fuck up, I don't trust them.
3. VPVinnie Paz
  I... My father, my father used to say-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Who-
5. VPVinnie Paz
  ... if, if someone doesn't say the word "fuck," or if their name is an initial, don't trust them.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, that's a ch- creepy one. Initials are creepy.
7. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  But you never know. It's like, it's not a hard fast rule.
9. VPVinnie Paz
  No, I give everyone the fair shake, but I'm looking-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Hmm.
11. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  If they frickin', if they're, all the time, it's frickin' this and frick-
13. VPVinnie Paz
  Or Mickey Ficky.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. VPVinnie Paz
  I heard that one time.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, I never heard that one.
17. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, someone said, "Mickey Ficky."
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Instead of motherfucker.
19. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, I wasn't happy about it.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  "Shut the front door" is one, like, moms like to do around their kids.
21. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes. Yes.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
23. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm. Yeah.
25. VPVinnie Paz
  I come from a Wobbesau, Philly family, so it's like a fucking Richard Pryor...
26. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
27. VPVinnie Paz
  You know? Uh, uh, uh, uh it's the seven fishes on Christmas Eve is like a Richard... Is like, uh, R- him on the Sunset Strip.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  You know who surprisingly doesn't swear? Teddy Atlas.
29. VPVinnie Paz
  I know Teddy doesn't... I, I, I, I've seen... You know how animated he... I don't have to tell you.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  He gets very animated.
1:50 – 4:37
Creativity, being “wired differently,” and why artists often self-sabotage
1. JRJoe Rogan
  We were saying, you were saying, you know, about fuck ups before the show. I was saying, I don't know anybody who's a artist who doesn't fuck things up. Like, if you're, if you really create... There's something about being, like, legitimately creative. There has to be something wrong with you.
2. VPVinnie Paz
  Well, you're wired differently.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
4. VPVinnie Paz
  So what, what we perceive as... What, what people see- perceive as b- fucking up isn't to us.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6. VPVinnie Paz
  So it- it... Technically, it's a fuck up. But in reality, to us, it's just, um, just behavioral... It's just how it works, I think.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It's just traits.
8. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, sure.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, like if you were working in an office in human resources, you would... You, there, there's no way.
10. VPVinnie Paz
  I'd be gone in, like, three hours.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah. But before that, I'd probably put a bullet through my head.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
14. VPVinnie Paz
  If I was in a cubicle. Just give up at that point.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  (sighs) Some people can do it though. Some people, it's not a problem.
16. VPVinnie Paz
  No. I, I... They, they're just wired that way from b-... I knew f- from such an early age that I'm not wired this way. You know what I'm saying?
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, me too. Yeah, I, I was terrified of getting a job all... When I was a child.
18. VPVinnie Paz
  Y- y- yeah, it's fearful. But-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. VPVinnie Paz
  ... what you've done though, man, it's, um... I've told you how much of a fan I am, but I'm such a fan of how punk rock... You've built all of this outside of th- um, what you were expected to do. This show is a fuck you, really.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) It's just what it is. You know what I mean? This is the, this is what happens when you don't calculate.
22. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  When there's no cal- you just do what you wanna do.
24. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  This is what happens.
26. VPVinnie Paz
  But people don't have the balls to do that.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  It's, uh, it's a little bit balls. It's a little bit Fear Factor gave me a lot of financial freedom.
28. VPVinnie Paz
  Sure.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  That was, that wa- that helped too.
30. VPVinnie Paz
  Sure.
4:37 – 6:29
Rogan’s “punk rock” path: building a show outside the expected system
1. VPVinnie Paz
  A, a clip of yours went viral of you talking about, "Just get the fuck a- keep negative people the-"
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
3. VPVinnie Paz
  "... fuck away from me." And I had that around me, and it was draining my spirit.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  (sighs)
5. VPVinnie Paz
  You know?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  It's one of the worst things.
7. VPVinnie Paz
  Uh, but you... When you're living a certain way and everything's fast s- ... It's the same with comedy and you're on the road-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
9. VPVinnie Paz
  ... and you're grinding it out. You can't always analyze... You can't always step back and say, "This is why things are fucked up."
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
11. VPVinnie Paz
  Because everything's moving so fast.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
13. VPVinnie Paz
  You know?
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. VPVinnie Paz
  And it wasn't until I took that time and said, "There's cancers in my life." That are-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
17. VPVinnie Paz
  They're, they're basically... They're emotional barnacles.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
19. VPVinnie Paz
  You know what I mean? They... And, and once you, once you cut the cancer out, you see how different things become. And it's, uh... It's kind of, um... I- I didn't realize it was that easy.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. You can do it.
21. VPVinnie Paz
  You can do it.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  But to them too, it's a good lesson for them to be cast aside and for them... If they're smart or if they have some awareness or some objectivity, they're gonna look at themselves and say, "You know what? I'm a fucking mess."
23. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  "Like, I'm negative all the time and people-"
25. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  "... don't wanna be around me." I was real negative when I was younger.
27. VPVinnie Paz
  So was I.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. It's, it's, uh, it's not something that's insurmountable. You can get over it.
29. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah. And, and it's... Whatever, whatever, uh, whatever hand you've been dealt, you have to realize the reality of the situation, bro. There's people living in mud huts and places-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6:29 – 9:02
Discipline as the stabilizer for creative chaos (fitness, writing, mental balance)
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I know. There's also, there's a balance that you can achieve between, uh, discipline and the creative people, like we were talking about, like yourself, who are just off. You know? Hand tattoos, wacky-
2. VPVinnie Paz
  Sure.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  There's something about-
4. VPVinnie Paz
  Sure.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you know, this like, people see you. They go, "What the fuck is this guy doing?"
6. VPVinnie Paz
  Sure.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  They follow you when you're walking through a store. (laughs)
8. VPVinnie Paz
  For sure.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like, it's no... There's a balance between that and then real disciplined people, like, you know, fucking Navy SEAL-type cats.
10. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  You learn from them too.
12. VPVinnie Paz
  Sure.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  And you go, well, they... You can incorporate some of that into your life as well-
14. VPVinnie Paz
  Absolutely.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and it helps balance out all the wacky, creative aspects of it, and it makes you a little bit more productive, a little bit happier, a little bit... You know, uh, Dead Prez had a, um, they had a song, uh, Discipline Makes Things Easier.
16. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a great fucking song.
18. VPVinnie Paz
  It is. It is.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a great song-
20. VPVinnie Paz
  It is.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  ... because it, it's real.
22. VPVinnie Paz
  It is real.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  It really does. Discipline makes things easier.
24. VPVinnie Paz
  It is real.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Organize your life.
26. VPVinnie Paz
  Like, for me, when, when, uh, I'm... I feel most ha- of course you know because of how you live, but your body feeds into your... how your mind works too.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. VPVinnie Paz
  When you feel... When, when I'm w- when I was talking about that, those na- um, horrible negative years, it was all so dictated by terrible diet, terrible-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
30. VPVinnie Paz
  You know, not that I'm in great shape or anything now, but I've changed things, and I felt it up here.
9:02 – 10:36
Italian-American food culture: “gravy vs sauce,” Italy travel, and real ingredients
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Dude, there's only a... It's weird how, like, if you go to I- have you been to Italy?
2. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes. Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  They-
4. VPVinnie Paz
  My most... A lot of my family's still over there.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  The food is fucking fantastic.
6. VPVinnie Paz
  Next level.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  But it's a different kind of food.
8. VPVinnie Paz
  It's to-... I w- what Italian Americans did-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. VPVinnie Paz
  ... is, is a totally different cuisine.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, it's interesting, right?
12. VPVinnie Paz
  It is.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Like the meatballs, the lasagna.
14. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. VPVinnie Paz
  They will put some shit in front of you that you, uh, you don't know what it is, but-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. VPVinnie Paz
  ... you know, "All right. Let's have at it."
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, the Italian food in Italy is lighter-
20. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you know? It's, uh, uh, a lot more fish.
22. VPVinnie Paz
  And then you have the regions. If you're north, if you're south-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
24. VPVinnie Paz
  ... if you're in Sigi, if you're in-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
26. VPVinnie Paz
  ... you know, it's, it's, it's, uh... Yeah, it's, it is odd. It's, it was culture shock just to think of what I've been eating for my mother's food and grandparents and... You know what I mean?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. VPVinnie Paz
  And that's like... It's just different.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  My grandmother was fresh off the boat, and she used to cook everything from scratch. Tomato sauce from scratch-
30. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
10:36 – 12:31
Fluoride, conspiracies, and how “kernels of truth” spread with nonsense
1. VPVinnie Paz
  Everything is. The w- it's like when you realize that there's fluoride in our drinking water and people are just all right with that.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
3. VPVinnie Paz
  Wh-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm not sure that that's r- that should be there, like-
5. VPVinnie Paz
  (laughs)
6. JRJoe Rogan
  ... I've, I've read that. I've read about fluoride in the drinking water, like the pros and cons. The pros don't make any sense to me.
7. VPVinnie Paz
  (laughs) Not to me.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Like brush your fucking teeth, bitch.
9. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, man.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Like use toothpaste.
11. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah. I'm not... I mean, uh, you know, I'm not the sh- I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I don't think it should be (laughs) in our drinking water.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's... You know, and then there's all... You get into all the conspiracy theories. That's when you gotta wade through all the bullshit. Like, "Okay, it was a Nazi plot to soften mines and..." Oh.
13. VPVinnie Paz
  Right. (laughs)
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Was it? Or is it just like... I feel like somebody's just got a lot of fluoride they're trying to sell.
15. VPVinnie Paz
  (laughs) Sure.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  And they got some sort of a deal with the government-
17. VPVinnie Paz
  That's-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  ... to dump it into the water.
19. VPVinnie Paz
  That's probably more logical. But the thing-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. VPVinnie Paz
  ... the thing is with all that conspiracy shit, you have to sift through shit because there are kernels in there.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
23. VPVinnie Paz
  But-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  That's the problem.
25. VPVinnie Paz
  Right. (laughs)
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
27. VPVinnie Paz
  But they like that.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
29. VPVinnie Paz
  They, they li-... The more ridiculous, the more ridiculous the theories, the better it is for them because then y- it seems more ridiculous and that you're alone.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12:31 – 14:21
Food systems and performance drugs: corn-fed cattle, antibiotics, and sports cheating
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Most of what's going on with food is not steroids. Most of what's going on with food is antibiotics because they're getting sick from eating corn.
2. VPVinnie Paz
  Okay.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  That, if you watch, um, (smacks lips) there's a great documentary, King Corn.
4. VPVinnie Paz
  Okay.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And it all, it documents how a lot of cows have huge issues digesting all that corn. It's not a natural thing for them. They're supposed to eat grass.
6. VPVinnie Paz
  Right. Sure, sure, sure.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It fattens them the fuck up and makes them quite tasty-
8. VPVinnie Paz
  Sure.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... but it's really not what they're supposed to be eating.
10. VPVinnie Paz
  That's interesting.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. VPVinnie Paz
  I w- I, I thought... I mean-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  (clears throat)
14. VPVinnie Paz
  ... I guess I always thought ch- ch- chemically speaking that that's what was being pumped into everything.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  No, because it's expensive. They don't need to do it either. Like, in Mexico, they still do it. That's how Canelo got popped-
16. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, with the clen-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... allegedly-
18. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and I, I air quote, "allegedly"-
20. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah. I mean-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  That's how he got clenbuterol in his system.
22. VPVinnie Paz
  ... if anyone thinks clenbuterol came from a steak, I got a-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  (coughs)
24. VPVinnie Paz
  ... fucking bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  But you can get it from a steak, unfortunately.
26. VPVinnie Paz
  Oh, yeah. No, there's fighters that say, "I, oh, no, I train a Mexican..." Someone recently said, I don't, I don't wanna say his name, a fighter said, "Yeah, I eat it and it's got clen in it." And they're like, "Then why didn't you get popped?" He's like, "'Cause I don't inject it." (laughs)
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah.
28. VPVinnie Paz
  That, that was his line, you know.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Well, without a doubt, there's some shenanigans going on in all combat sports.
30. VPVinnie Paz
  All.
14:21 – 18:51
Jordan Peterson as a new kind of superstar intellectual (and the burden of genius)
1. VPVinnie Paz
  But, um, yeah, well, the Jordan Peterson, man, I mean, it's just, I'm in awe of that guy.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, he's an in- very, really fascinating gentleman.
3. VPVinnie Paz
  He is. He is and just sc- scary smart.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
5. VPVinnie Paz
  You know, I, I, I would, I would, I would just, uh, crumble trying to have a conversation with the guy.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  You wouldn't, though.
7. VPVinnie Paz
  I just feel like a nitwit.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  You would catch up. That's what happens when you're around-
9. VPVinnie Paz
  Probably a couple of days later, my friend.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) But the thing about people like that is, like, if you are around a certain caliber of thinker, then your vibration sort of matches their vibration.
11. VPVinnie Paz
  Sure. Sure.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  When you're around people that are way smarter than you, you realize, like, "Oh, there's some shortcuts to thinking that I'm taking."
13. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  "And then there's some, there's some pitfalls in the way I analyze things, and these people don't have those things. And then my vocabulary is stunted. Maybe I should increase my vocabulary."
15. VPVinnie Paz
  Sure.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  "Maybe I should start reading more or reading the things." And that, it just, w- with most people, it's, it's the same thing as with fitness. It's the amount of how much time you put in for how long.
17. VPVinnie Paz
  Right.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's the same thing with your intellect. It's the same thing with your emotional stability. It's how much energy and effort and focus have you put into it and for how long?
19. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, of course.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. VPVinnie Paz
  But, like, like you said, though, to be around someone like him, it, you're naturally gonna fall into a, a line of thinking where, "Wow, this guy's got a lot of shit." (laughs)
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
23. VPVinnie Paz
  His understanding of the... Hi- his calmness, man, it's like, it's just, I, I can't see that guy being rattled. I've watched debates and he's just, he's so confident in, in what he believes.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
25. VPVinnie Paz
  You know what I'm saying?
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, he's thought things through.
27. VPVinnie Paz
  Clearly.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  He's not, he's not a silly person, you know.
29. VPVinnie Paz
  I mean, I think I am, so that's the problem there.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I am, too.
18:51 – 27:01
Fear as a life driver: loss, uncertainty, and pressure to keep the dream alive
1. VPVinnie Paz
  Everything, m- my, my life exists around fear. Uh, it's not good. It's not healthy. I'm not healthy mentally because of it, and I don't know how to shake that. But it's-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  But what kinda fear?
3. VPVinnie Paz
  Um, my father died-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  (sighs)
5. VPVinnie Paz
  ... when I was 10, so I have the, like... M- so my mom's my best friend, you know? And she's f- 72 now, so like, I just... Every day is worried about her.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
7. VPVinnie Paz
  About, uh, in every way. Th- it's not even driven by anything that's rational.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
9. VPVinnie Paz
  It's not like she's sick. She's the best. She, you know what I mean? She's 72, listens to Jay-Z and wears Jordans.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Does she? (laughs)
11. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah. She's, she's the best.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
13. VPVinnie Paz
  But it's just-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Does she sing along?
15. VPVinnie Paz
  Y- of course.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) I gotta get a video of this.
17. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, no problem.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
19. VPVinnie Paz
  No, but it's-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
21. VPVinnie Paz
  ... it's, um, fear of not having her, f- fear of what, w- the unknown. I, bro, I fe- really, I fear the unknown. I fear, "What if this all ends?"
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
23. VPVinnie Paz
  I've li- I've, uh... My adult life has been what I do, which is music. It's-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
25. VPVinnie Paz
  I, yours has been too. I don't... Bro, I don't know how to do anything.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
27. VPVinnie Paz
  I don't know how to fix a fucking car.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Right, right.
29. VPVinnie Paz
  Like, I can't be a mechanic. I ca- I don't know how to... I don't... I literally don't how to do anything, bro.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  But that, that fear is for mechanics too, because they're like, "Fuck, what if there's no more cars? What if these electric cars come along? I don't know how to work a computer. Everything's gonna be computer-controlled." I mean, th- people's business... Look, think about the poor bastard that opened up Blockbuster. He's like, "We got this."
27:01 – 40:33
Comedy, controversy, and “target culture”: Roseanne, intent vs impact, and pile-ons
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, that's my defense of Roseanne. You know, all these people are coming after Roseanne. I'm like, "You don't understand."
2. VPVinnie Paz
  She, she's batshit.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  She's not just batshit. She got in a car accident. He, she has severe brain damage.
4. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  She's on all sorts of medications. She has multiple personality disorder.
6. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  She's drinking, she's on Ambien, and she's 70 years old. What the fuck do you want?
8. VPVinnie Paz
  Right. The, I, like-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  What do you want from this lady?
10. VPVinnie Paz
  You, y- you know, and you spoke that way and so did Norm.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. VPVinnie Paz
  You know, Norm talked about Louie and Roseanne.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
14. VPVinnie Paz
  And, and the same way you... Like, yo, man-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. VPVinnie Paz
  ... she's batshit crazy-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. VPVinnie Paz
  ... first of all. Like, d- if you're going to her for, for, uh, uh, e- e- e- you know, if you're going to her for political discourse-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. (laughs)
20. VPVinnie Paz
  ... you might wanna reevaluate your life on some-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  The problem's on you, man.
22. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, yeah. That's your fault.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. VPVinnie Paz
  That's your fault-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  It's not her.
26. VPVinnie Paz
  ... at some point.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  It's you.
28. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah. And that doesn't mean either one of us agree with exactly what she wrote. It's just how she got there.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  But i- that's w- also why she's so funny. You know, if you go back and watch Roseanne in the early days, b-
30. VPVinnie Paz
  Bro, that show was fucking heavy, man.
40:33 – 43:33
Travel as perspective—and questions about autism prevalence and diagnosis
1. VPVinnie Paz
  You know, the thing you were talking about with diet and discipline. Like, you know, these people run, wal- walk everywhere, run everywhere, ride bikes everywhere. The m- McDonald's is eaten like once a year as a crazy...
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
3. VPVinnie Paz
  ... you know, night out. Like, my son lives overseas, you know? He, he, he's had McDonald's like three times in his life. You know, little kids here, it's like, every day, "Mommy, Chicken McNuggets." Blah, blah, blah.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
5. VPVinnie Paz
  You know, you just, you see cultural shifts and, and why there's no, um... Like, I've talked to people over there who d- didn't know what autism was. They never heard of it. Legitimately, like, "What is that?" And I had to explain it. And that shit got me thinking too. It's like, wha- okay, wha- how, how, why? Why is th- why is that not happening there? Wha- What could be the reason?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Artism?
7. VPVinnie Paz
  Autism.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Artism, autism.
9. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Autism.
11. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, the disease.
13. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Okay, I thought you were saying artism.
15. VPVinnie Paz
  Oh, I'm sorry.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  I was like, "What is that?" I don't know what it is either. Shit. (laughs)
17. VPVinnie Paz
  No. You were l- you were looking at me like, uh-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  I was trying to fig- I thought w- I was trying to figure out if you meant artisan.
19. VPVinnie Paz
  Oh, no.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Like handcrafted.
21. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes, yes, yes. Autism.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Autism. Yeah, it's that accent, bro.
23. VPVinnie Paz
  Sorry, my friend.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  That Philly accent. (laughs)
25. VPVinnie Paz
  Sorry, buddy. No, but-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, well, they, you know, it's, it's more common I think, uh, now than ever before, but the, the question is whether it's more common because it's more diagnosed or whether it's more common because there's more incidents of it.
27. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  There's a lot of questions as to why. Uh, one of the big ones is apparently older people having kids, people waiting and putting off the children.
29. VPVinnie Paz
  Uh-huh.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  And, uh, particularly men. Apparently there's a big risk for older men. Older men a lot of times have autistic kids.
43:33 – 48:36
Depersonalization disorder, weed triggers, and immigrant-family views on mental health
1. VPVinnie Paz
  I have a dissociative disorder, it's called depersonalization disorder.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  What does that do?
3. VPVinnie Paz
  So basically, I'll be sitting here talking to you and I'll just... My b- my mind, my mind, body, and soul will remove itself from my body. I'll feel like I'm floating down over my body. I'll look at my hands and they won't feel like mine.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you smoke weed?
5. VPVinnie Paz
  No.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  That's the problem.
7. VPVinnie Paz
  No. (laughs)
8. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
9. VPVinnie Paz
  It'll, it'll trigger it.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Will it?
11. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes. Um-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Like right now, if we got high, you would, you would-
13. VPVinnie Paz
  I-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... float above yourself?
15. VPVinnie Paz
  I would fucking take that deer head and put it through my ear.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
17. NANarrator
  (laughs)
18. VPVinnie Paz
  I would lose my shit-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
20. VPVinnie Paz
  ... and I'm envious... I'm envious of how weed has helped so many people and that it can't help me. Um-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  What does it do to you?
22. VPVinnie Paz
  It makes me... I smoked when I was young, and what happened was something triggers, uh, DPD in people. It's, uh, you know, it could be a traumatic event, it could be PTSD. You know what I'm saying?
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
24. VPVinnie Paz
  Gun to my head, I would say it was my father dying, but it, it didn't happen right away-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
26. VPVinnie Paz
  ... 'cause he died when I was 10 and this started when I was 14. I smoked a blunt of dust.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
28. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah. A- and lost my shit. And for about 18 months, I... No lie, I thought I was in purgatory.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Whoa! How old were you? 14?
30. VPVinnie Paz
  14. I was like-
48:36 – 57:53
Entitlement vs gratitude in entertainment: tipping, respect, and crew culture
1. VPVinnie Paz
  We have people in our industries, in the entertainment industry, that just have this fucking sense of entitlement, man.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
3. VPVinnie Paz
  It's, it's plagued. I know you know comics with a fucking sense of entitlement. When they're rude, when you go backstage, I k- I know from how you are that you shake everyone's hand, say, "How you doing?" Thank you when they bring you something, please, thank you.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Sure.
5. VPVinnie Paz
  People, yo, people don't do that, man.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  I know. You know what drives me crazy? When they don't do that to waiters.
7. VPVinnie Paz
  Oh.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Waiters and waitresses.
9. VPVinnie Paz
  Bro-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  They don't say thank you and they don't tip or they don't tip well.
11. VPVinnie Paz
  I, last night the bill was, uh-... $130 in the bar and I gave them $230, and the guy, like, chased me to stop me.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. VPVinnie Paz
  And I'm, I'm a, you know-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  He thinked he made a mistake.
15. VPVinnie Paz
  The, he, he did. He said-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
17. VPVinnie Paz
  ... "Did you..." He was like, "Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, did you mean to do this?" I'm like-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
19. VPVinnie Paz
  ... "You took care of me all night, man."
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. VPVinnie Paz
  "And I know that people are shitting on you-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
23. VPVinnie Paz
  ... and leaving a dollar or maybe not even that."
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
25. VPVinnie Paz
  And same with waitresses, man. No one gets shit on more than them.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
27. VPVinnie Paz
  What do they get, like, $2 an hour or something?
28. JRJoe Rogan
  And you know when you really appreciate them? When you go overseas and they don't get tipped.
29. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause those people barely pay attention to you. (laughs)
57:53 – 1:06:09
Boundaries, loyalty guilt, and childhood wounds that create “rescuers”
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Don't you think that one of the things that really expands your understanding of people and life i- is just being in a bunch of different places and understanding that where you grew up is just one part of the world?
2. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  That the world is this massive pla- Like, I just got back from Thailand. I was in Thailand this summer. I've never been around so many friendly people.
4. VPVinnie Paz
  Right.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Friendly, nice, smiling people that I think they call it the Land of the Smile or Land of a Thousand Smiles or some shit like that.
6. VPVinnie Paz
  Oh, it's- it's beautiful.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  But that's what it's like. When you're over there, people are just so friendly and I was like, "Wow. Okay, if you grew up here, something about whatever-"
8. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  "... momentum that these people have developed in their culture, their culture is, like, smiley and friendly to each other."
10. VPVinnie Paz
  Yes.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, this is, uh- this is just the w- the vibe, the way they do it, but if you around some real aggro, super shitty-
12. VPVinnie Paz
  (laughs)
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... insulting, aggressive culture, then that would be what you had to adapt to.
14. VPVinnie Paz
  Bro, Philly was voted the most hostile city in America by Time Magazine.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, it's up there.
16. VPVinnie Paz
  So... (laughs)
17. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) You know, I was- I was always, when I was in-
18. VPVinnie Paz
  Philly loves you though.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... Philly, recently, when I said, this is how I describe Ph- said, "They're very smart people who will punch you."
20. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Like-
22. VPVinnie Paz
  That's a good description of me.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. That's- (laughs)
24. VPVinnie Paz
  Not the very smart, not the very smart. Uh, medi- of- of average intelligence that will punch you.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  But it's- Philly's a sophisticated city. It's a real city, but they're all... They're hard people.
26. VPVinnie Paz
  Goons, man.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. There's- they're hard people there.
28. VPVinnie Paz
  Look, man, we threw, you know, we threw those snowballs at Santa Claus.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. (laughs)
30. VPVinnie Paz
  Mi- Michael Irvin broke his leg and we cheered. You know?
1:06:09 – 1:07:13
Boxing obsession and combat-sports reality: fandom wars, hunting ethics, and historic greatness
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you drink?
2. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Just a little bit?
4. VPVinnie Paz
  I shouldn't. I drank a lot and had a epiphany. I woke up one day and cold turkeyed it.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
6. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, yeah. I drank a lot for a lot of years.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  And now you don't drink at all?
8. VPVinnie Paz
  No, no.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Or just, just drink a little?
10. VPVinnie Paz
  Just, like, cas'.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  A little, a little bit.
12. VPVinnie Paz
  You know, a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. But, uh, i- i- it's... It's more like when I perform.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
14. VPVinnie Paz
  You know what I mean?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Just loosen up?
16. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, but I was drinking two bottles of Grey Goose alone every night.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
18. VPVinnie Paz
  Yeah, alone. Dolo.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
20. VPVinnie Paz
  Every night.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a lot.
22. VPVinnie Paz
  Seven days a week.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a lot.
24. VPVinnie Paz
  Two bottles to the head.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  That's, uh, Bert Kreischer.
26. VPVinnie Paz
  Love Bert. Love the Bert.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
28. VPVinnie Paz
  I know the Bert.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  He's, he's got a bottle in his hand, "What?" While he's listening to you.
30. VPVinnie Paz
  What?

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Swearing, “initials,” and authenticity as a trust signal

Creativity, being “wired differently,” and why artists often self-sabotage

Rogan’s “punk rock” path: building a show outside the expected system

Discipline as the stabilizer for creative chaos (fitness, writing, mental balance)

Italian-American food culture: “gravy vs sauce,” Italy travel, and real ingredients

Fluoride, conspiracies, and how “kernels of truth” spread with nonsense

Food systems and performance drugs: corn-fed cattle, antibiotics, and sports cheating

Jordan Peterson as a new kind of superstar intellectual (and the burden of genius)

Fear as a life driver: loss, uncertainty, and pressure to keep the dream alive

Comedy, controversy, and “target culture”: Roseanne, intent vs impact, and pile-ons

Travel as perspective—and questions about autism prevalence and diagnosis

Depersonalization disorder, weed triggers, and immigrant-family views on mental health

Entitlement vs gratitude in entertainment: tipping, respect, and crew culture

Boundaries, loyalty guilt, and childhood wounds that create “rescuers”

Boxing obsession and combat-sports reality: fandom wars, hunting ethics, and historic greatness

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