Joe Rogan Experience #1181 - John Dudley

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... get squirrelly. (laughs)…

   1. JDJohn Dudley0:00

      ... get squirrelly. (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      (laughs) Four, three, two, one, boom. I gotta ask Donnie Vincent, who made that knife, 'cause, uh, people always ask me about it.

   3. JDJohn Dudley0:10

      It's awesome. I coulda used it on Saturday when things-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Oh, when the-

   5. JDJohn Dudley0:14

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      ... shit got squirrelly-

   7. JDJohn Dudley0:15

      Yep. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      ... at the UFC?

   9. JDJohn Dudley0:16

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:16

       With the side that you guys were on, where you guys were in the crowd, did anybody jump towards you that way?

   11. JDJohn Dudley0:23

       No. The crowd mainly started-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Yeah.

   13. JDJohn Dudley0:25

       ... it was... 'Cause we were... We ha- I'm pretty sure we had Irish right in front of us. And right in front of them was some of Khabib's guys.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Hmm.

   15. JDJohn Dudley0:35

       And Khabib's guys were turning around, just literally throwing the fingers right to the Irish guys the whole time.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       (sighs)

   17. JDJohn Dudley0:43

       So then once that happened, it was (laughs) like... I was lucky, though. I had, uh, I had, I had Aubrey and Whitney right there. They were... Aubrey was in-

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       They were there to protect you? (laughs)

   19. SPSpeaker0:53

       (laughs)

   20. JDJohn Dudley0:53

       Yeah. They, they were in full throw-down mode. I was just, I was one of the dumb people-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       (sighs)

   22. JDJohn Dudley0:59

       ... just kinda looking around like, "Okay, is there-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       They were gonna throw mushrooms at everybody?

   24. JDJohn Dudley1:02

       Yeah. "Is there any immediate danger?" No. It, uh... I mean, obviously it seemed w- way worse over on your side. But I was more worried when they made us leave, because the further up you got in the bleachers, and once you got out into the concession area and in the bathrooms, that's where stuff was going down. Like, just people from the crowd, um, you know, guys with Irish flags obv- obviously were getting trash talked to them and there was a big brawl right-

   25. SPSpeaker1:29

       Yeah. Right next to me on the other side from where they were sitting.

   26. JDJohn Dudley1:32

       Oh, that's right. There was one just to our right.

   27. SPSpeaker1:34

       Um, and-

   28. JDJohn Dudley1:34

       I was looking left.

   29. SPSpeaker1:35

       ... I believe it was the guy that jumped in, in the red shirt on Khabib's team, when they were trying to leave and they were getting them out-

   30. JDJohn Dudley1:40

       Hmm.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      squeezes it so tight that no blood is getting to your brain. (clicks tongue) Yeah, so there's a lot of armchair quarterbacks out there saying that that wasn't a neck crank. You're incorrect. And, uh, have Dean Lister do that shit to you-

   2. JDJohn Dudley15:14

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      ... and you will know that that-

   4. JDJohn Dudley15:15

      I'm pretty sure I had Jocko do that to me.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      (sighs)

   6. JDJohn Dudley15:17

      My, my throat is still...

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:19

      You don't want that.

   8. JDJohn Dudley15:20

      No. Why-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      Why were you rolling with Jocko? That is a terrible idea.

   10. JDJohn Dudley15:24

       Well-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Why did he, why did he do that to you?

   12. JDJohn Dudley15:25

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       What did you do to him?

   14. JDJohn Dudley15:28

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       (laughs)

   16. JDJohn Dudley15:29

       (laughs) I don't know.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       You were just trying to learn, right?

   18. JDJohn Dudley15:31

       Yeah, I was trying to learn. And I, you know, he said, "Well, who wants to roll?" And I just said, "Me."

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       Yeah.

   20. JDJohn Dudley15:37

       And, and he just, he kinda just looked at me. He's like, "Well, just try to do something."

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       (laughs)

   22. JDJohn Dudley15:43

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       But you're taking classes now, right? You're taking 10th Point?

   24. JDJohn Dudley15:46

       When I can, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       Yeah.

   26. JDJohn Dudley15:48

       Yeah, I've got one in, um, Altoona, Iowa, so thanks to you and Eddie for hooking me up with Demian.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Which-

   28. JDJohn Dudley15:54

       Shout-out.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Which, shout-out to Demian. What's super important is drilling. That's the most important thing-

   30. JDJohn Dudley15:59

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   And you also get…

   1. JDJohn Dudley30:00

      You know, you'd have to, you'd have to be deadly accurate with that thing. I mean, you're gonna have to be in, in the high 90 percentile of being able to hit that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      And you also get used to the competition. You get sharper because your mind's in that place.

   3. JDJohn Dudley30:13

      Well, that-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      You're there all the time.

   5. JDJohn Dudley30:14

      Yeah. That's the hardest part. Even if you're on the game, which there's been times, like this past summer, um, I had a event that I did for, um, a Cabela's experience, where some of the Cabela's black signature card members kind of-... I guess, bought an experience and I did, um, some training at the Easton Center with them. And then we went and shot the Total Archery Challenge in, in Utah. And, you know, we talked. I talked through the technicalities of what you would do on each shot as a-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:42

      Explain what the Total Archery Challenge is for people.

   7. JDJohn Dudley30:44

      Total Archery Challenge is a tournament that... Or it's not even a tournament, it's more of a fun event where they set... It's in Snowbird and they set archery targets like in real hunting situations, but with very, very technical shots. Extreme angles, longer distances, you got crosswinds and canyons, po-

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:03

      And Snowbird, for people who don't know, is a ski course.

   9. JDJohn Dudley31:05

      Y- yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       What is that?

   11. GUGuest31:06

       Sorry, that was... I actually had the video there.

   12. JDJohn Dudley31:08

       (laughs) And, uh, yeah, it's just very technical because your- the footing's poor.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:13

       Oh, here it is.

   14. JDJohn Dudley31:14

       Yeah, this is a-

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       Yeah, this is the Total Archery Challenge. So it's really interesting because it's in the summertime but it's at a ski place.

   16. JDJohn Dudley31:21

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:21

       A ski range. What would you call it? A ski... What would you call it?

   18. JDJohn Dudley31:25

       Yeah, it's a-

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       Ski course? Ski course?

   20. JDJohn Dudley31:26

       No, it's a, it's a ski lodge, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       Yeah, but what is a-

   22. JDJohn Dudley31:29

       It's a resort.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       ... What is a... Where are the re-, where are the-

   24. GUGuest31:32

       Slopes.

   25. JDJohn Dudley31:32

       It's literally a resort, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       Yeah.

   27. JDJohn Dudley31:33

       It's Snowbird.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       So you take the ski lifts up to where these things are, and, uh, these targets are all set up and there are all these foam deer and foam sheep and all these different, uh, game animals, and they're at extreme distances and-

   29. JDJohn Dudley31:50

       Yeah, you're-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       ... with weird angles.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   I think it... But…

   1. JDJohn Dudley45:00

      be able to... Some people just like hunting, like Nugent, he just loves hunting his ranch, right? I mean, he hunts that thing and-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      I think it... But he also has a, he's has a problem moving around well. He doesn't, I mean, he can't really go elk hunting, like where he goes hiking into the mountains eight, 10 hours a day. He can't-

   3. JDJohn Dudley45:18

      But he legitimately loves hunting Texas ranches.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:22

      Yeah.

   5. JDJohn Dudley45:22

      Like, he legitimately hunts it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      But he sits in tree stands. I mean, I think he's limited to that. Like, he has two bad knees, like really bad. Like his, he's got artificial knees. He's had some serious surgeries.

   7. JDJohn Dudley45:33

      We've got friends that love to hunt, um, like exotic ranches.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:37

      Yeah.

   9. JDJohn Dudley45:38

      But-

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       Well, I can see, I could see the argument both ways.

   11. JDJohn Dudley45:41

       Yeah, me too.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Like look, if you're a meat eater and you wanna get meat from a free range cattle ranch, you know, you only want grass fed, grass finished beef-

   13. JDJohn Dudley45:54

       Yep.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       ... that's, that's free range that roams around, like there's a lot of people that feel that way.

   15. JDJohn Dudley45:59

       Yep.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       Well, what is... Why are you hunting? Are you hunting because you want, you want meat? Are you hunting because you wanna kill your own meat? Are you hunting because you wanna eat wild game? Are you hunting because it's fun? Are you hunting for all the reasons, all of the above? And if it's, if, if it's an all of the above, some people feel like the only kind of hunting they wanna do is backpacking, public land-

   17. JDJohn Dudley46:22

       Yep.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       ... go into the wilderness. And they don't wanna have anything to do with raising those animals, helping those animals. They want those animals to be straight up wild.

   19. JDJohn Dudley46:35

       Yep.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:35

       You know? And they feel like that is the most ethical way. There's a lot of weird debates about public land too. Here's one that really gets me. There's a lot of people that are really into public land. And they, they're, uh, public land is super important to them. They want, they only wanna hunt public land, but they have secret spots on public land they don't want anybody to know about them. And if you tell someone about their spot on public land, they'll get mad at you. Like if you take someone to a spot... I've heard, uh, Rinella talk about this on his show, like he's a big public land guy.

   21. JDJohn Dudley47:07

       Yep.

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:07

       But he'll talk on his show about what a betrayal it is if you tell a person about a spot and they tell someone else, else about that spot-

   23. JDJohn Dudley47:17

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       ... or they go to that spot without you.

   25. JDJohn Dudley47:19

       Hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:19

       I'm like, "What the fuck are you talking about? Is this public land or is it not?"

   27. JDJohn Dudley47:23

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:23

       And if it's not, if it is public land, if you're telling someone about a spot, you're telling me that this public land spot, you don't want them going to without you?

   29. JDJohn Dudley47:34

       Not unless they find it on their own.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:36

       That is fucking ridiculous, right?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:13:31

   And tell people, just…

   1. JDJohn Dudley1:00:00

      don't know, somewhere around midnight or something. So the next morning we went back at first light, took us a while to pack back in there. And when we got there, um, half of the carcass... I had already pulled everything apart, we had everything in game bags, everything was strung up on trees, um, but the actual cavity was half buried. And as we were approaching, I seen something kinda running off and f- by the coloration on the hide, I really thought for sure it was a griz, um, because I've seen lots of them. And we got up there and sure enough, it was, it was buried, so we kind of took a lot of precaution as we were trying to-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

      And tell people, just explain to people what that means.

   3. JDJohn Dudley1:00:39

      So a grizzly, um, they will bury something that they find, and they, I think they do it for a couple reasons. One of the reasons is they want, they don't want, um, like prey birds like crows and stuff to be able to see it, 'cause they'll start talking and then other predators in the area listen for those birds. And then, you know, it's kind of a magnet, starts to draw, so they like to conceal it. So they'll literally kind of pivot on a circle around that kill and, and actually claw the ground and, and bury them. And it's pre- like I've seen, uh, where grizzlies bury a full moose and it's, it is r-... ridiculous the type of dirt they can move. I'm talking it looks like a skid loader came in there and buried these things. And they can do, they can do that kind of work fairly quick. Um, but they'll pile up everything around it and then they kind of, normally they'll create one small little hole at the end of that mound where they'll kind of crawl in there and they literally like eat from one side to the other side-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

      (laughs)

   5. JDJohn Dudley1:01:43

      ... you know. And, uh, and it's, (laughs) it's normally, uh, the back end first. Um, so yeah, I felt like we had just got there when this bear had just discovered the carcass and had just started the burial process 'cause, you know, he hadn't pulled anything out of the trees. He had only started to cover the, the carcass, which normally they'll cover that seal first, then they'll clean up the scraps around and then they go to their pile and kind of consume that last. Um, but I was certain that we had seen one. We ended up seeing a wildlife biologist, uh, later on and I told him, you know, "I thought I saw a griz." And he told me, he said, "Well, it's pretty important if you did because there hasn't been one naturally on this hill in, I think he said 100 years." So he's like, you know, "Would you be willing to go back in there to put a camera up?" Which is not smart if it was a, if it was a grizzly it's, I mean, obviously, they're gonna be, depending on their demeanor, they could be very protective of that. Um, but, uh, we did end up going back in there just to put the camera up, and then after the camera was there a few weeks, he sent a picture and said, "You were close to being right." It's just a perfectly colored, uh, black bear that looks like, like it would be a grizzly. But it-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:03:11

      How does he know for sure?

   7. JDJohn Dudley1:03:13

      You can tell by they don't have, um, uh-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:03:16

      You thought it was a grizzly when you saw the photo.

   9. JDJohn Dudley1:03:18

      Yeah. They, they don't have a very... I thought it was a younger one, but they don't have a very distinct, um, hump on their back. And then-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:03:24

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JDJohn Dudley1:03:24

       ... the claw marks. See, he went in... You can tell a lot by the claws. So when you go in and you look at the tracks, that's also a really easy way 'cause like, like that bear that was, uh, wrestling Khabib, uh, you could see the claws. Like grizzlies have very, very distinct, uh, claws. So that was, uh... I'm just looking here so I can't really pull up the pic for everybody but-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:03:51

       You can send it to Jamie. Let me check it out. Yeah. I could see that that's look... Yeah.

   13. JDJohn Dudley1:04:00

       And, and, and-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:04:00

       That does actually kinda look like a brown bear now that I look at it.

   15. JDJohn Dudley1:04:03

       And then r-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:04:03

       Or a black bear rather.

   17. JDJohn Dudley1:04:04

       Yeah. And then running... The, the head is gonna be narrower.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:04:07

       Yeah.

   19. JDJohn Dudley1:04:07

       And it took several pictures. Some of the pictures it looked more like a griz just 'cause of the coloration. Some of the pictures it didn't. So, um, you know, keep in mind, you know, mountain grizzlies will look a little bit different than like a coastal bear or, you know, an inland grizzly. But either way, it was, it was a bear that came in and, you know, covered the whole carcass and went to eat it, so.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:04:30

       Now when you were in Alberta, you went back to that place that you were talking about on the first podcast we ever did, where you had that encounter where you shot that elk that was just outside of that wolf den.

   21. JDJohn Dudley1:04:41

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:04:41

       And the wolves tried to claim the elk.

   23. JDJohn Dudley1:04:43

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:04:43

       And you guys had to shoot your way out of there.

   25. JDJohn Dudley1:04:45

       (laughs) Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:04:45

       That is a fucking crazy story. What was it like to be back there again?

   27. JDJohn Dudley1:04:51

       Um, it was, what was strange about it is, while we were there, uh, I actually found that they were back in that area. Um, there was some fresh tracks and then we heard one howl like during that thing, so it was almost like... It was a little bit weird because, um-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:05:11

       Did you guys bring extra bullets this time?

   29. JDJohn Dudley1:05:12

       (laughs) We only had my bow this time. I'm sending you this, Jamie.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:05:16

       Oh, Jesus.

Episode duration: 1:40:09