Joe Rogan Experience #1182 - Nick Kroll

1. 0:01 – 2:15

   Recording glitch + the never-ending Windows/Lenovo update cycle

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Five, four, three, two... Hello, Nick.

   2. NKNick Kroll0:07

      (laughs) Hi, Joe. How you doing?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      S- sorry for the delay.

   4. NKNick Kroll0:10

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      We had a, a failure, ladies and gentlemen. A catastrophic failure of Windows updating. It sort of, uh, updated and hung on the, the TriCaster, but we're back.

   6. NKNick Kroll0:20

      And it seems to be fine. Ev- everything's working.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Allegedly.

   8. NKNick Kroll0:23

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Allegedly. We'll see.

   10. NKNick Kroll0:24

       There's that, there's that fear when you're like, "Fuck, I'm turning off the update. I'm gonna start again."

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Yeah.

   12. NKNick Kroll0:28

       Then you lose everything.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       That is the one annoying thing. We were talking about this before the podcast. I s- I've been using Windows to write on, and I like, uh, the ThinkPad. I really like it. I love the keyboard, it's great to write on. But Windows updates, like, two or three times a day sometimes. Not just Windows, but, like, Lenovo will update, and there's some s- firmware update, and a BIOS update.

   14. NKNick Kroll0:50

       Adobe Acrobat's checking in.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Yeah.

   16. NKNick Kroll0:52

       Wanna know if we can-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Bit Defender updates.

   18. NKNick Kroll0:56

       (laughs) Yeah, the, uh... I haven't used a ThinkPad. They, they got the... Still have that little, like, clip right in the middle?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Still got the little clip.

   20. NKNick Kroll1:01

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       I don't use it-

   22. NKNick Kroll1:03

       No.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       ... but it's there. I guess it's for people that have been using it forever.

   24. NKNick Kroll1:06

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       It's very accurate if you do use it.

   26. NKNick Kroll1:08

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       It's like one of those things where you're just sorta used to muscle memory or used to doing it, and then they touch the other buttons with their thumb.

   28. NKNick Kroll1:15

       Right, g- they can still do shit. And it has the mouse at the, the keypad.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       Mm-hmm.

   30. NKNick Kroll1:19

       I mean, it's so... It's-
2. 2:15 – 5:20

   Apple ecosystem love-hate: planned obsolescence, iPhone sizing, and brand identity

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:15

      They really are. That fucking battery thing really pissed me off.

   2. NKNick Kroll2:18

      Did it come out? Did it finally get officially-

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:20

      Oh, yeah.

   4. NKNick Kroll2:21

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      They admitted it.

   6. NKNick Kroll2:22

      Oh, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:22

      They said they, they admitted it, and they said they did it because the old phones, they were trying to preserve the battery. The fuck you were.

   8. NKNick Kroll2:29

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      You were trying to piss people off so they got a new phone.

   10. NKNick Kroll2:32

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:33

       We, we all know exactly what they were doing.

   12. NKNick Kroll2:34

       It works on me. It works on me every, like, year and a half-

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:36

       Yeah.

   14. NKNick Kroll2:36

       ... where I'm like, "Why is my phone fucking dying every 10 minutes?" And then I'm like, "Ah, I gotta get a new phone."

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       Dirty people.

   16. NKNick Kroll2:41

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       They're dirty people. I got the new one. I got the new, uh, the newest of the-

   18. NKNick Kroll2:46

       The, the, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       ... the Mac, uh, the, uh-

   20. NKNick Kroll2:48

       X.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       ... whatever, the iPhone XS Max.

   22. NKNick Kroll2:51

       Yeah. Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       It's too big. I fucked up.

   24. NKNick Kroll2:52

       Is it too big?

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Yeah, I fucked up.

   26. NKNick Kroll2:53

       I've never gone to the bigger one. I've always gotten this, this size one where-

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       I had the X, it was perfect.

   28. NKNick Kroll2:58

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       I was happy.

   30. NKNick Kroll2:58

       Yeah.
3. 5:20 – 9:58

   Bandwidth, outsourcing life tasks, and the risk of financial betrayal

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      Well, it's all about bandwidth, right?

   2. NKNick Kroll5:22

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:22

      Like, what, what are you spending your thinking on? You could do all those other things, but how much would that be annoying-

   4. NKNick Kroll5:29

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:29

      ... and how much would it fuck up the things that you like to do?

   6. NKNick Kroll5:31

      Yeah. And some people love that stuff. Like, I have a buddy-

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:34

      Yeah.

   8. NKNick Kroll5:34

      ... I have a buddy who's a successful actor who still does his own taxes, pays his... Writes out his own residual checks. He li- he fucking... He likes it. He g- you know what I mean? I'm like, "All right. Well, good for you." Like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:46

      Yeah.

   10. NKNick Kroll5:46

       ... "Enjoy... If that's, (laughs) if that is joyful and that brings you joy."

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:49

       Well, at least he doesn't have to worry about getting ripped off.

   12. NKNick Kroll5:51

       That's... I think that's part of it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:52

       Chuck Palahniuk was here-

   14. NKNick Kroll5:53

       Uh-huh.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:54

       ... and his agent stole all of his money.

   16. NKNick Kroll5:55

       No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:56

       Yeah. Millions.

   18. NKNick Kroll5:58

       Really?

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:58

       Yeah, he's broke. It's crazy.

   20. NKNick Kroll6:00

       Ho- and what happened to the f- is he going after the fucking agent?

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:02

       The guy's going to jail. Yeah.

   22. NKNick Kroll6:05

       Fuck.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:05

       Guy stole millions. Stole millions from him and a bunch of other people, and they don't know where the money is. He's hoping he can get some of it back. They might be able to find some of it, but the agent stole from several different clients.

   24. NKNick Kroll6:16

       Whoa.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:16

       Yeah, just some- some madman.

   26. NKNick Kroll6:18

       And Chuck writes like, Chuck writes books about like, "Watch out-"

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       Yeah.

   28. NKNick Kroll6:21

       "... fucking s-" (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       Yeah. He writes books about creepy people-

   30. NKNick Kroll6:23

       Yeah.
4. 9:58 – 13:26

   Treasure hunting, shipwreck fortunes, and how absurd old exploration was

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:58

      There's a lot of money in shipwrecks. I was watching a documentary on these billionaires or rich folks rather-

   2. NANarrator10:05

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:05

      ... who finance these guys to go hunting for treasure.

   4. NKNick Kroll10:09

      Ah-huh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:09

      And then there's, they know where some Roman ships have sunk and so they go looking for these Spanish galleons and Roman ships-

   6. NKNick Kroll10:18

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:18

      ... filled with gold coins that are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. And you know, they, it's like this crazy gamble.

   8. NKNick Kroll10:24

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:24

      Because the ocean's fucking gigantic.

   10. NKNick Kroll10:27

       Yeah. And also like, I guess gold, does gold maintain its, its like substance after-

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       Yeah.

   12. NKNick Kroll10:32

       It, it really does.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:33

       Yeah. Yeah. It really does.

   14. NKNick Kroll10:33

       I guess that's why it's fucking gold.

   15. NANarrator10:34

       Look at this. Earlier this year.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:35

       Holy Grail of shipwrecks.

   17. NANarrator10:36

       $17 billion.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       Oh.

   19. NKNick Kroll10:38

       $17 billion in gold they found it?

   20. NANarrator10:40

       Yeah. Off of-

   21. NKNick Kroll10:40

       Some of-

   22. NANarrator10:41

       Massachusetts.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       Finds a shipwreck with a treasure of up to s- Oh my god. $17 billion.

   24. NKNick Kroll10:48

       And so, and someone financed it? Icahn? No. No. I thought that was Carl Icahn. That's fucking wild, man.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:54

       So, um, where is this fucking-

   26. NANarrator10:56

       This is in Cape Cod.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       Goddamn.

   28. NANarrator10:58

       A 310-year-old ship, Spanish ship.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:00

       Wow.

   30. NKNick Kroll11:01

       Wow.
5. 13:26 – 20:11

   Pre-digital patience, future tech, and why people ‘looked older’ in old media

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:26

      You ever watch the show Vikings?

   2. NKNick Kroll13:27

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:28

      It's a good show. Well, one of the things that's crazy is these motherfuckers would get on boats, and they'd go f- f-... just row across the ocean, kill a bunch of people, and come back six months later with some gold, and everybody'd be waiting for them at the docks. It's like, "What kind of life is this?"

   4. NKNick Kroll13:42

      Yeah. Just waiting in the docks is like... There's no version of, like, "Well, FYI, we'll be there."

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:47

      Yeah.

   6. NKNick Kroll13:47

      Like, it's not even like you're gonna s-... "We'll just send the motorboat ahead to, like, let everybody know that we're gonna be there in, like, a month." That's it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:53

      We're gonna l-... People are gonna one day laugh at how ridiculous it is to send a text message. Like, these guys weren't even telepathic.

   8. NKNick Kroll13:59

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:00

      Could you imagine?

   10. NKNick Kroll14:01

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:01

       They had to text each other.

   12. NKNick Kroll14:02

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:02

       They had to send pictures 'cause they couldn't see what the other person was actually seeing.

   14. NKNick Kroll14:06

       Yeah, dude. It's that all... It's just gonna be all in a fucking contact lens. Is that what's gonna happen? Or are you just gonna-

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:11

       Yeah.

   16. NKNick Kroll14:11

       ... have a chip? It's gonna be a chip, but in a con-

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:13

       It's gonna be like Black Mirror, for sure.

   18. NKNick Kroll14:15

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:15

       Yeah.

   20. NKNick Kroll14:15

       How far off do you think?

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:17

       20 years, max. Yeah. I think it's gonna happen so quick.

   22. NKNick Kroll14:20

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:21

       Just like cellphones happened so quick. Th- the iPhone was only, what, 11 years ago?

   24. NKNick Kroll14:25

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:26

       That's crazy. That's crazy.

   26. NKNick Kroll14:28

       And I don't think the first iPhone had a cam-... Did it have a camera on the first iPhone? Maybe it had something. If you go back and look at your iPhone pictures from, like, five years ago-

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:36

       Yeah, terrible.

   28. NKNick Kroll14:36

       ... you'd be like, "How dare you?"

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       (laughs)

   30. NKNick Kroll14:39

       (laughs) "How dare you accept this as a fucking photo."
6. 20:11 – 27:38

   ‘Big Mouth’ and Netflix: creative freedom, animation advantages, and the Hormone Monster

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:11

      Hey, man, I fucking love your show.

   2. NKNick Kroll20:13

      Thank you.

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:13

      This show is hilarious.

   4. NKNick Kroll20:14

      Thanks, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:15

      And the, the character, the animation-

   6. NKNick Kroll20:18

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:18

      ... looks like you.

   8. NKNick Kroll20:19

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:19

      It has your lips and your nose.

   10. NKNick Kroll20:21

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:21

       And it's really weird. (laughs)

   12. NKNick Kroll20:22

       Yeah. It's fucking, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:23

       It's like, it's like, it looks like you without looking like you, you know what I'm saying?

   14. NKNick Kroll20:26

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:26

       It's like they captured it.

   16. NKNick Kroll20:28

       Yeah. It's weird. It's, uh ... Someone posted ... It was right before the show came out this year. Someone was like ... Someone posted, like, "Japanese make ... We make our cartoons, uh, cuter." Um, "Americans, let's make our characters ugly as fucking possible." And it's, and it's my ... It's me as-

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:48

       (laughs) It's Big Mouth.

   18. NKNick Kroll20:48

       It's Big Mouth. It's me as a little fucking kid.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:50

       (laughs)

   20. NKNick Kroll20:50

       And I was like, that's just like ... I was like, uh, "It's a bummer-"

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:53

       Tell you what.

   22. NKNick Kroll20:53

       "... that's exactly what I look like."

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       It's, it's hilarious-

   24. NKNick Kroll20:56

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:56

       ... 'cause it looks like you without looking like you.

   26. NKNick Kroll20:58

       Yeah. Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:59

       You know? That's ... There's a real gift to that when people ... they figure out how to capture the perfect caricature.

   28. NKNick Kroll21:04

       It's weird. They, we ... And we give them, even when we ... Even if it's like, we, we try to, like ... When we have new characters, we'll just give them pictures of the people that are playing them and just let them find that version of them. Uh, and even when we don't, we'll give people references. 'Cause there's something about capturing a real person that makes it specific in a way that you're like, "Wow, the ... Dude, everybody can draw. Just, like, draw whoever." Which does work, but still, there's something about being like, "No, we want a guy who looks like Rogan." Like, they'll, they'll get that essence that-

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:35

       Yeah.

   30. NKNick Kroll21:36

       ... creates something that feels more real. It's so weird. But they're great. We have a killer team of people d- designing all those characters.
7. 27:38 – 34:01

   Breaking in, early gigs, and nostalgia for physical media and old tech

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:38

      What, what year did you get into show business?

   2. NKNick Kroll27:40

      Uh, how old was I, or like-

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:41

      Yeah, how old were you?

   4. NKNick Kroll27:41

      I was, like, 20... I graduated, I started doing open mics, like, '02. I was 23, 24.

   5. JRJoe Rogan27:48

      Yeah. That's a good year. That's a perfect year. You're, you're a young-

   6. NKNick Kroll27:52

      Adult.

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:53

      ... adult.

   8. NKNick Kroll27:53

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:53

      You're a young adult.

   10. NKNick Kroll27:54

       Yeah. What about you?

   11. JRJoe Rogan27:54

       Yeah. I was 21.

   12. NKNick Kroll27:55

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan27:56

       Yeah. Young adult.

   14. NKNick Kroll27:57

       Yeah. Which I th- I was, like, and it took a while to, like, get it all rolling, but it was, it was, I do think at the early... I mean, I, there are a few people who seem to start young who are okay. Um, but it's tough, man. I-

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:09

       I've never met one.

   16. NKNick Kroll28:11

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:11

       They're all crazy.

   18. NKNick Kroll28:12

       Real... Have you met Seth Rogen at all? Have you dealt with Seth Rogen at all?

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:15

       Yeah, how old was Seth when he...

   20. NKNick Kroll28:16

       He was on Freaks and Geeks when he was, like, 16.

   21. JRJoe Rogan28:20

       Maybe that was the cutoff age.

   22. NKNick Kroll28:22

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan28:22

       Maybe that's the age where you can pull it off. (laughs)

   24. NKNick Kroll28:26

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan28:26

       (laughs) 'Cause you have enough awkward, uncomfortable actual years-

   26. NKNick Kroll28:30

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan28:30

       ... as an adult.

   28. NKNick Kroll28:30

       He also had, like, a few years on that show, and then that show got canceled, and he, like, didn't have much of a, a, like, there were a few lean years there-

   29. JRJoe Rogan28:39

       That're probably good for you.

   30. NKNick Kroll28:40

       ... where I think, where I think it, like, made him a regular human being.
8. 34:01 – 39:12

   Information overload, phone-addiction downtime, and doomscrolling into politics and urban chaos

   1. NKNick Kroll34:01

      Well, it's like we're... I feel like we're in a... I feel like I have a goldfish brain. Like, I feel like I just like swim and five minutes later it's gone.

   2. JRJoe Rogan34:10

      Yeah.

   3. NKNick Kroll34:10

      You know what I mean? And I feel like I am constantly in that space. And I feel like we, we record all this shit and then we don't really look back. Maybe some people look back, but I'm the same way.

   4. JRJoe Rogan34:21

      I think we're inundated... We're overrun by information. There's... I don't think our brains are even remotely capable of processing the amount of raw data that comes through it.

   5. NKNick Kroll34:31

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan34:31

      If you check your Google news feed and you check your Twitter feed and then, you know, people send me things in email and I check those out. I don't, I don't have time... I don't have the time or the storage. It's just... It goes in and it goes out.

   7. NKNick Kroll34:44

      Yeah. I have... Well, I have... I just was like, I use the Google app on my phone to like search shit.

   8. JRJoe Rogan34:50

      Yeah, me too.

   9. NKNick Kroll34:50

      And I'll go on there, but now Google's got like stories they... It thinks I'm gonna be interested in.

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:55

       Yeah.

   11. NKNick Kroll34:55

       And then I'll be like, "Oh, fuck, I guess I gotta look up," did... Whatever's going on. And then like 30 minutes later, I'm like, "Why did I go to Google?"

   12. JRJoe Rogan35:02

       Yeah.

   13. NKNick Kroll35:03

       What was I going in there for?

   14. JRJoe Rogan35:04

       That's my toilet time.

   15. NKNick Kroll35:05

       Yes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:05

       When I'm taking a dump-

   17. NKNick Kroll35:06

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:06

       ... I'll open that app up.

   19. NKNick Kroll35:07

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:07

       And the next thing you know, my legs are numb. (laughs)

   21. NKNick Kroll35:09

       (laughs) Yeah, totally.

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:10

       Fucking...

   23. NKNick Kroll35:10

       You're like limping out of the bathroom with a weird red imp- im- impress- impressions on like right above your knee.

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:17

       And it doesn't make any sense. It's like I didn't get anything out of that.

   25. NKNick Kroll35:20

       Nothing.

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:21

       I feel like if you have discipline, if you could avoid that, the good stories will come to you.

   27. NKNick Kroll35:26

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:26

       The ones that you need to hear about, like, "Dude, have you fucking heard about-"

   29. NKNick Kroll35:29

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:29

       "... what happened to..." And like, okay, then you hear about it.
9. 39:12 – 41:04

   Public pooping tales: childhood disasters, fighters’ hygiene rules, and endurance extremes

   1. NKNick Kroll39:12

      Have you ever shit in public? Have you ever had a public shitting?

   2. JRJoe Rogan39:14

      Um, not on purpose.

   3. NKNick Kroll39:16

      Yeah, I shit my pants-

   4. JRJoe Rogan39:17

      I've shit my pants a couple of times in public.

   5. NKNick Kroll39:18

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan39:19

      But, I mean, I kept it in, like, inside my clothing.

   7. NKNick Kroll39:22

      Yeah, I shit my pants. I was thinking about, I was coming in here being like, "Do I have any," like, I'm like, "I don't do MMA or anything." I was like, th- what, did I ever do kara- I was like, oh right, I did karate until I was, like, seven, and I did it, and I, like, (laughs) I remember being... I was in a class with a bunch of, um, cops in my town. They had like a self-defense class and, and I was friends with, like, a cop, and so he's like, "Come take the karate class," to me. I was like, "Sure." We're going to take it, and it was, and I'm wearing the, like, the gi, and, uh, it's fucking, you know, I was sick so I just kept nodding it. You know what I mean?

   8. JRJoe Rogan39:54

      Right.

   9. NKNick Kroll39:54

      You're just like, "Oh, I'm fucking, I don't..." And I kept nodding it and then I'd go to class and I'd, like, I'd eaten fettuccine Alfredo. I was fucking...

   10. JRJoe Rogan40:02

       (laughs)

   11. NKNick Kroll40:03

       (laughs) And I'm sitting there and I'm, like, taking the class, doing my little kicks, and then I'm like, "I gotta go to the bathroom." And I get to the bathroom and I can't untie the knots.

   12. JRJoe Rogan40:11

       (laughs)

   13. NKNick Kroll40:11

       It's too many fucking knots. And I just, I'm six, I just fucking spray diarrhea-

   14. JRJoe Rogan40:16

       (laughs)

   15. NKNick Kroll40:16

       ... down my, down my gi, and then, like, go back to class.

   16. JRJoe Rogan40:20

       Oh, no.

   17. NKNick Kroll40:21

       You know what I mean? And like, all these cops-

   18. JRJoe Rogan40:23

       Throwing kicks.

   19. NKNick Kroll40:23

       Yeah. (laughs) And all these cops are like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan40:25

       "Hey, he fell off."

   21. NKNick Kroll40:25

       "Oh, this little, dirty little fuck."

   22. JRJoe Rogan40:28

       (laughs)

   23. NKNick Kroll40:28

       And I was like, "I think that's the last time I took karate." That was the end of my mixed martial arts career.

   24. JRJoe Rogan40:33

       Yeah, and that could be a problem.

   25. NKNick Kroll40:35

       Have you ever fought so hard that you, like, lose con- like, it, like mar- does that happen? Like with, you know-

   26. JRJoe Rogan40:39

       Where you shit yourself?

   27. NKNick Kroll40:40

       Yeah, like marathons.

   28. JRJoe Rogan40:41

       Guys have done that inside the octagon for sure. Yeah, there's actually a new rule in some athletic commissions. They stop a fight b- just out of h- for hygiene concerns.

   29. NKNick Kroll40:50

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan40:50

       If someone shits themselves.
10. 41:04 – 51:40

    Sober October, fitness-as-competition, and the brain damage cost of head impacts

    1. NKNick Kroll41:04

       And there was a, there was that marathon runner who lost her, like-

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:06

       Yeah. That's happened a bunch of times apparently. Marathon runners just shit themselves all the time, just keep running.

    3. NKNick Kroll41:12

       I, I'm no- see, I'm not that, are you that way as in, like, you'll push your, like, I'm like, I would never push myself to that point where I'm like, "Yeah, I'll push myself to the fucking-"

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:20

       It really depends on what it meant to me.

    5. NKNick Kroll41:22

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:22

       I mean, I mean, if I, if I had some v- deep emotional reason to finish this marathon.

    7. NKNick Kroll41:28

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan41:29

       Like, my dad died or something.

    9. NKNick Kroll41:31

       Right, right.

    10. JRJoe Rogan41:31

        You, you know what I mean?

    11. NKNick Kroll41:32

        Have you done this-

    12. JRJoe Rogan41:32

        It's like, "I'm gonna do this for Gianni."

    13. NKNick Kroll41:33

        Bert runs marath- Bert and Ari run marathons, right?

    14. JRJoe Rogan41:36

        I don't think Ari's ever run a marathon. His dad did.

    15. NKNick Kroll41:38

        Uh-huh.

    16. JRJoe Rogan41:38

        His dad ran a marathon. His dad is a Holocaust survivor in his 80s, and he ran a six-hour marathon. And the be- we, we were telling Bert, "There's no fucking way you're gonna beat Ari's dad."

    17. NKNick Kroll41:49

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan41:49

        Ari's dad's in his 80s. (laughs) "Bert, you're a fat fuck."

    19. NKNick Kroll41:52

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan41:52

        But he did, he beat him by, like, a half hour. Bert did it in, like, five hours and 30 minutes.

    21. NKNick Kroll41:55

        But Bert, but Ari's dad was, like, 70s, 80s running a marathon.

    22. JRJoe Rogan41:59

        80s, yeah.

    23. NKNick Kroll42:00

        Man.

    24. JRJoe Rogan42:00

        I think he's 82.

    25. NKNick Kroll42:01

        If you can survive the Holocaust, man-

    26. JRJoe Rogan42:03

        Yeah.

    27. NKNick Kroll42:03

        ... fu- what's a fucking marathon? You know what I mean?

    28. JRJoe Rogan42:06

        Yeah. Well, he was also in the Israeli Army. He's just a-

    29. NKNick Kroll42:08

        Oh, yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan42:08

        ... tough old dude.
11. 51:40 – 1:11:35

    Burning Man and first-time LSD: desert visuals, ‘clinical’ feel, and crowd-darkness

    1. NKNick Kroll51:40

       I went to, uh, I went to Burning Man this year.

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:43

       Uh-oh.

    3. NKNick Kroll51:44

       And, uh, did, had just a fucking wild time of j- 'cause I, I, I know you've talked about it. I'd never done acid before.

    4. JRJoe Rogan51:52

       Hmm.

    5. NKNick Kroll51:53

       I did acid for the first time.

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:54

       How was it?

    7. NKNick Kroll51:55

       It was fascinating. I've do- I've done mushrooms like somewhat regularly for m- most of my adult life. Like, not, not crazy amounts, but like, you know, once a year, b- depending on, you know ... Um, and always loved it. I'm like, I was like, if I were left with one thing, might be that one. 'Cause I like the warmth, like the-

    8. JRJoe Rogan52:14

       Yeah.

    9. NKNick Kroll52:14

       ... organic, the giggles, the warmth, and like everything that-

    10. JRJoe Rogan52:16

        You love everybody.

    11. NKNick Kroll52:17

        I love everybody, and it is like what I ... You know, when people used to talk about like what ecstasy was, I was like, "Oh, that's mushrooms."

    12. JRJoe Rogan52:23

        Yeah.

    13. NKNick Kroll52:23

        Like you just feel giggly and g- and-

    14. JRJoe Rogan52:25

        Yeah.

    15. NKNick Kroll52:25

        ... warm and connected. Um, but I was like, "You know what? We're going to f- yeah, I'm going to Burning Man." Couple buddies were like, "I've, I've done this acid before." And I haven't read the Michael Pollan book, but I was like, enough, there's enough ... And I know you've been talking about it. There's enough around there that I'm like, "I'm ready." Like, 'cause I remember in my late 20s, someone being like, trying to buy mushrooms, and they were like, "I got acid," and I was like, "Uh, I'm not gonna do it." Like, I had, you know ... At least when we were kids, there was that fear that like-

    16. JRJoe Rogan52:53

        Mm.

    17. NKNick Kroll52:53

        ... you do acid, you could fry your brain forever.

    18. JRJoe Rogan52:54

        Yeah, you never come back.

    19. NKNick Kroll52:55

        Right. And I don't know if that was the kind of acid people were doing or if it just people were doing a ton of it.

    20. JRJoe Rogan53:00

        The- they think now that what that is, uh, it's, uh, it's people that are schizophrenic.

    21. NKNick Kroll53:05

        Right.

    22. JRJoe Rogan53:06

        And y- there's a certain percentage of the population, like they were trying to make a correlation between, um, marijuana use in schizophrenia-

    23. NKNick Kroll53:13

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan53:13

        ... that it causes schizophrenia, but they found out that the numbers are the same as the general population. The numbers of people who use marijuana become schizophrenic is the same numbers-

    25. NKNick Kroll53:21

        Right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan53:21

        ... it's just you take 100 people, there's gonna be one of them that's gonna be schizophrenic.

    27. NKNick Kroll53:25

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:25

        Whatever the number is, whether it's 1% or higher.

    29. NKNick Kroll53:27

        Sure.

    30. JRJoe Rogan53:28

        And they, there's ... They think though that it can exacerbate the situation and it can actually bring it on. Like say maybe if someone has maybe sort of a manageable, b- because schizophrenia e- exists like many diseases do on a spectrum.

Episode duration: 2:23:48