Joe Rogan Experience #1186 - Marques Brownlee

Joe Rogan 0:00 (clears throat) Here we go. Four, three, two, one. Boom. First of all, before we get started, I wanna say, I love your reviews.

Marques Brownlee 0:10 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 0:10 You are my favorite. You, you have the ... Well, you and Lou. I love Lou too, but you, you, you're so good at covering all the bases of whether it's cellphones or any kinda weird technology that's coming out, and you just, you just nail it. You just, y- you're so ... I ... You're my go-to guy, man.

Marques Brownlee 0:28 Well, thank you. That's quite an intro.

Joe Rogan 0:30 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 0:30 (laughs) I appreciate that.

Joe Rogan 0:31 I really wanna tell you, like, whenever a, a new cellphone's out ... Like, I saw that you walked in with the RED, but that's ... You're n- ... That's not your daily driver?

Marques Brownlee 0:37 No, I thought you would like this. This is ... I mean, every phone now is-

Joe Rogan 0:41 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 0:41 ... is glass on glass and everything.

Joe Rogan 0:42 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 0:43 Uh, but this, this RED HYDROGEN One has a lot of weird stuff about it. Uh, it's ... First of all, it's about twice as big as it has to be, but it's, it's from RED, which is a camera company.

Joe Rogan 0:53 Wow, all these buttons-

Marques Brownlee 0:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:55 ... everywhere.

Marques Brownlee 0:55 So they really get it-

Joe Rogan 0:57 Oh, this is a grip.

Marques Brownlee 0:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:57 This is not buttons. This is just a grip, this texture on the outside.

Marques Brownlee 0:59 Rubberized side grip. You could probably drop it from 45 feet and it'd be fine.

Joe Rogan 1:03 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 1:03 Throw it across the room. But the weird part is it's made by RED. So RED's-

Joe Rogan 1:07 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:07 ... a camera company. They're, they ... I use their cameras. I love their cameras. But then they come out with this, which is a phone, which is kinda weird. But-

Joe Rogan 1:13 There it is right there on the screen.

Marques Brownlee 1:14 ... they do ... Yeah, that's my photo actually. So-

Joe Rogan 1:16 Ah.

Marques Brownlee 1:16 That's next to the, the iPhone 8 Plus, which is already a huge phone and it's much bigger.

Joe Rogan 1:19 What is this, um, metal thing on the back, the brass-looking with dots?

Marques Brownlee 1:22 So it's got these pins, and it's supposed to next year support modules that will connect to it. So potentially-

Joe Rogan 1:30 VR?

Marques Brownlee 1:31 ... a better camera, bigger battery, uh, VR, whatever RED decides to support or make-

Joe Rogan 1:38 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:38 ... will attach to it.

Joe Rogan 1:39 So-

Marques Brownlee 1:39 But it's also kinda ... It may or may not happen for a while.

Joe Rogan 1:42 Yeah, because Jamie ordered one. When did you order one?

Marques Brownlee 1:45 I think I paid for it last ... (smacks lips) I don't know, right when it went on sale.

Joe Rogan 1:49 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:49 So like the last August maybe. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Vaporware.

Marques Brownlee 1:51 Yeah. Mine, my official one just shipped. That's a prototype.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 1:55 And-

Joe Rogan 1:55 This is the prototype you have here?

Marques Brownlee 1:56 Yes. So I've been ... I've worked with RED for ... I've seen a lot of the, the process since the ... I've gotten, like, eight software updates and this is not final, but, like, it's a pretty good idea and it's-

Joe Rogan 2:06 Yeah, what do you think-

Marques Brownlee 2:06 ... weird.

Joe Rogan 2:06 ... about it so far?

Marques Brownlee 2:08 So I'll ac- ... It's surprisingly good. A lot of people ... Like, new camera companies or new companies come up and make a phone and it's just not right in a lot of ways. They kinda took a lot of notes and they went minimal with the software. I like that about it. I was expecting the camera to be amazing. It's ... They don't use, they don't make th- this sensor, so this, the camera's not amazing yet.

Joe Rogan 2:27 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 2:28 But I think the modules will make this what it is. I think the phone a- by itself is, like, not really $1,300 phone. Um, but its support for upcoming things that they're planning I think will make it good.

Joe Rogan 2:42 Is it a problem when a company tries to get into the cellphone business and you're competing with Samsung, Apple, you know?

Marques Brownlee 2:48 It's hard.

Joe Rogan 2:49 Huawei. There's so many companies that are so advanced. For you to be RED, who's essentially a camera manufacturer, they make video cameras-

Marques Brownlee 2:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:58 ... really high-end for people that know, uh, really high-end HD video cameras that a lot of movies are shot on them, films, all kinds of things. For-

Marques Brownlee 3:06 Even YouTube videos.

Joe Rogan 3:07 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 3:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:07 Oh, you, you do all your YouTube videos with it?

Marques Brownlee 3:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:09 Is it really that good for you? I mean, is it worth having a RED ca- ... It's a large camera, right? It's heavy.

Marques Brownlee 3:15 Yeah, it started off not that great, and then I got used to it, and then they got better. So it was probably like five years ago that I first started with a RED, a RED Scarlet, this 4K, 5K camera, and yeah, it's kind of a pain. Uh, but the workflow has gotten better. They've worked with, uh, smaller teams, like individual creators even, to get the cameras now smaller. It does more in, in a smaller body. So it's gotten a lot easier to use a RED for a small team, whereas like, yeah, five years ago, they were making a RED for a movie shoot with 15 people using it.

Joe Rogan 3:49 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 3:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:50 So how much do they weigh now?

Marques Brownlee 3:52 Uh, I couldn't tell you a weight. I'd say probably between six and 10 pounds depending-

Joe Rogan 3:57 Oh, it's not bad at all.

Marques Brownlee 3:58 ... on what you ... Yeah, 'cause you ... It's completely modular. You rig it up to be what you want. So like, you get that out the box, which is just the brain essentially.

Joe Rogan 4:04 What we're looking at, for people just listening, it says RED Dragon on the side. Why does it call itself RED Dragon? (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 4:10 It's got some names, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:12 It's pretty clutch-looking.

Marques Brownlee 4:13 Uh-

Joe Rogan 4:13 It looks like a, it looks really like a computer, like a-

Marques Brownlee 4:16 Yeah, so that's what, that's what you're looking at is just the computer and the sensor.

Joe Rogan 4:19 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 4:19 And that side piece right there is the SSD reader. Everything else, all those pins you see on the top and on the side, that's where you connect what you want to make it, uh-

Joe Rogan 4:28 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 4:28 ... the rig. So if you were doing this eight years ago, you would attach a viewfinder, you would attach a couple monitors for directors, you would attach, uh, controls, more ... Yeah, all this. Follow focus, all this, the lens obviously, the mount. All this stuff has to attach to it. But for just me and my use, I'd use it more kinda like what you might see in another image, which is just a monitor, an SSD, a controller, and a lens. And that does everything.

Joe Rogan 4:53 So is the idea eventually that this phone is going to be able to do everything that that does?

Marques Brownlee 4:59 So that, I think if you asked RED, they would say yes, but they aren't there yet obviously.

Joe Rogan 5:07 How could they release something and not have an amazing camera on it?

Marques Brownlee 5:11 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 5:12 That seems crazy.

Marques Brownlee 5:13 That, that I think was what I, I think a lot of people were super hyped about 'cause obviously RED's good with not just the ... They make the silicon for the camera, but they're good at color science and autofocus and all these different things that cameras should be good at. Uh, so when they come out with a phone that has a camera on it, you just kind of expect it to be amazing.

Joe Rogan 5:30 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 5:30 So when it's not the best, I kinda firmly believe this is the best camera.

Joe Rogan 5:33 And you have the- that's the Google Pixels 3.

Marques Brownlee 5:35 This Pixel 3, yeah, is the best camera in a phone.

Joe Rogan 5:38 Are you a Google Pixel fanboy?

Marques Brownlee 5:39 At this point, I'm a fan, I'm a fan of the camera-

Joe Rogan 5:42 Right.

Marques Brownlee 5:42 ... which has turned me into a fan of the r- the rest of the phone.

Joe Rogan 5:45 Just the camera alone. It's a- it's an unusual camera in that it only has one lens.

Marques Brownlee 5:48 One camera, yes.

Joe Rogan 5:49 Yeah. There's one camera, where everybody else is going with multiple cameras.

Marques Brownlee 5:53 Two, three, four, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:54 Google's doing everything with software.

Marques Brownlee 5:56 Yes, and I like that about it.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Now is that the XL?

Marques Brownlee 6:00 That's the XL.

Joe Rogan 6:01 ... it seem, it doesn't s- seem that big.

Marques Brownlee 6:03 It's kind of not that insane. I think-

Joe Rogan 6:05 Can I see?

Marques Brownlee 6:05 ... everyone's, everyone's into the, the notch obviously-

Joe Rogan 6:07 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 6:07 ... which is a little different from what you might see in a, an iPhone or a Huawei phone or something. Um, but the software is very Google-y. The screen is much better than last year. It's glass. It wireless charges.

Joe Rogan 6:19 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 6:19 It's got all these things that last year's phone didn't have. But the camera is absolutely what makes that phone good.

Joe Rogan 6:25 It's really that much better?

Marques Brownlee 6:26 It is that much better.

Joe Rogan 6:27 What is so good about it?

Marques Brownlee 6:28 Uh, it's, like you said, it's the software, so what Google-

Joe Rogan 6:31 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 6:32 ... does with HDR and essentially their image processing is a big part of why it's good. You could put the same sensor and glass in another smartphone with way weaker software and it wouldn't look as good. Um, but what they do with that, that image processing af- it's, it's a rolling buffer of images so you can take, uh... it's like instant shutter, so as soon as you press the shutter, it's instant shutter. Uh, you freeze the motion, the dynamic range is great, the detail is great, and it's just, photos are amazing from it.

Joe Rogan 7:00 I was amazed at the low light photos.

Marques Brownlee 7:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:02 Those were stunning 'cause I-

Marques Brownlee 7:03 Yeah, the night mode.

Joe Rogan 7:04 ... the, the best I had seen before that was the Huawei.

Marques Brownlee 7:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:07 The Mate RS, I guess it was.

Marques Brownlee 7:09 There's been a couple really good night modes in Huawei phones, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Yeah, but this seemed even better than that. And it didn't seem distorted. It seemed like you realized it was at night, but you could see all the detail.

Marques Brownlee 7:19 Yeah. It's hard. It's, it's never gonna look as good as daytime, but, uh, there's a... I haven't... I don't have the update yet, but there's gonna be an update to the Pixel that has Night Sight or another night mode that does the same thing, where it's just taking a bunch of exposures and long exposures and uses stabilization and hopefully gets a much brighter image that looks way better than what it would now.

Joe Rogan 7:38 What would be different from the update in, in, i- in comparison to what it does now?

Marques Brownlee 7:43 So right now if you just take a photo at night, it'll just try to noise reduce all... Like, when you take a photo at night, there's a lot of grain. You're pumping the ISO all the way up. And when you clean all that noise out, you are... it's kind of like airbrushing the image in that it's gonna be softer. So if you do a lot of noise reduction, you lose all your detail.

Joe Rogan 8:00 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 8:00 It's really soft. So low light photos just aren't as good. But if you can take a longer exposure with better stabilization, you can not crank the ISO as high, not introduce as much noise, and then at the end of the day have a more detailed, better looking photo. So that's the theory behind a lot of these night modes.

Joe Rogan 8:19 How they do, how do they do that all, all in software?

Marques Brownlee 8:22 Uh, a lot of calibration, a lot of knowing exactly how good the optical image stabilization is in the lens, and then electronic stabilization as well, a lot of algorithms knowing what part of the photo is moving versus what isn't. So there's a lot of computational photography, is what it's called, uh, happening on the chip that makes it that good.

Joe Rogan 8:41 It's just fascinating that Google is the only one who's doing this with one camera as opposed to everyone else. Like my iPhone has several cameras.

Marques Brownlee 8:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:48 I have a, uh, a Note9, which I really like. And one of the other things about Google, this does not have a lot of RAM.

Marques Brownlee 8:56 No. I found that actually kind of a, an interesting weak point about this phone. And I haven't even... I've reviewed it, and I was kind of skeptical about it's only, only four gigs of RAM-

Joe Rogan 9:05 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 9:06 ... which is like a couple years ago, "Wow, four gigs of RAM in a phone, that's amazing."

Joe Rogan 9:09 That's amazing.

Marques Brownlee 9:09 But, uh, a lot of phones coming out now have six, eight gigs of RAM.

Joe Rogan 9:13 Who, who has the most right now?

Marques Brownlee 9:14 Uh, a phone just, a gaming phone just came out with 10 gigs of RAM.

Joe Rogan 9:17 Is it the Razer phone or a different one?

Marques Brownlee 9:18 No, another one. I don't even remember the name. But then there's also a Oppo Find X with 10 gigs of RAM. But, you know...

Joe Rogan 9:24 Do you need that?

Marques Brownlee 9:24 No.

Joe Rogan 9:25 No.

Marques Brownlee 9:25 You don't, you don't need it.

Joe Rogan 9:26 What would, what would be the benefit of having 10 gigs of RAM? Like what software would run?

Marques Brownlee 9:30 Basically, the advantage to having more RAM is keeping apps open and running in the background longer.

Joe Rogan 9:36 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 9:36 So if you have your camera and your Twitter and your Instagram and your web browser and all that, a lot of high... maybe a couple games all running at the same time, and then you multitask and switch between them, on a phone with less RAM, you'll find that you'll switch from the game to the browser and you go back to the browser and it reloads everything 'cause it w- it completely garbaged that from the memory after a while 'cause it was trying to save space. So on a phone with four gigs of RAM, this happened to me a couple times where I'd be listening to music and I'd open the camera and I'd take a few photos and then the music or the podcast or whatever would just stop and it killed that app in the background with only four gigs of RAM.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 10:12 I'm, I'm not doing that crazy things with multitasking.

Joe Rogan 10:15 Just two things running?

Marques Brownlee 10:16 Just two. I think it might've been a bug because the camera uses a lot of memory, and for whatever reason, it just picks the other big memory app and kills it. Uh, it's not very repeatable. I've had it happen to me since I landed yesterday, like, a couple times. But it... I think a phone with six or eight gigs of RAM... The, the last phone I was using for a while was the OnePlus 6, has eight gigs of RAM, and that never happened to me. Every time I'd multitask and go back five, 10 apps ago and open it, it was right where I left off.

Joe Rogan 10:44 Is the Google Pixel 3 your favorite phone or is it just your favorite phone because of the camera?

Marques Brownlee 10:51 It is my favorite phone period, and it also has the best camera.

Joe Rogan 10:57 And is it your favorite phone because it has pure Google 'cause you have the-

Marques Brownlee 11:01 There's a bu- there's a lot of things.

Joe Rogan 11:02 ... latest Android?

Marques Brownlee 11:02 It's the latest Android, which is kinda hard to find. And then you get obviously this pure Google experience and this amazing camera and a great display. And my priorities in a phone are pretty much along those lines. I need a great camera, and then I want a great display. I want good software, and then the rest kinda follows.

Joe Rogan 11:18 And you want pure Google, right? You don't wanna be operating under the Samsung skin or-

Marques Brownlee 11:22 I don't mind, I don't mind a skin if it's good. Uh, there's a lot of skins. Like OnePlus has Oxygen OS-

Joe Rogan 11:29 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 11:29 ... and it's a skin technically. It's, uh, it's close to pure Google, but it's missing a lot of the Pixel features. But it's fine. It's smooth. It's great.

Joe Rogan 11:37 Is OnePlus running the latest Android?

Marques Brownlee 11:39 No.

Joe Rogan 11:39 No. Who is? It's Essential Phone?

Marques Brownlee 11:42 Uh, so OnePlus I think just got the Android P update. Essential just got the Android P update. And then everyone else is on, like one version ago or o- or older.

Joe Rogan 11:53 Hmm. And why, why is that a pain in the ass for them? Why can't it be universal?

Marques Brownlee 11:57 I have a bunch of theories on why they don't update their software as quickly as they probably could. I think a lot of it in the US especially has to do with carriers.... when you have to get a s- when you wanna push a software update to a phone on Verizon, for example, not only do you have to, like, rewrite the software and optimize and everything, but then you have to submit it for ex- like, certification from Verizon. Verizon has to push that update. That whole introduction of the third party through the carrier is a huge pain in the ass. And then, on top of that, I know a lot of people who, when they get a software update, like, actively avoid installing it. They just don't want change in their phone.

Joe Rogan 12:35 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 12:36 So, at the end of the day, like, they put all that money and work into making a software update, and half the people never install it or don't care. Then they just figure they might as well not put the money there. So, a lot of teams ... or a lot of manufacturers just don't. They don't. They, they support the phone for a year or two, and then that's it.

Joe Rogan 12:55 But for folks like you, for the power users, that's big.

Marques Brownlee 12:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:58 Like, that's a big thing, having the latest and greatest.

Marques Brownlee 13:00 Definitely, yeah. That's why I'm a fan of phones that keep the skin light and update quickly, which is what you'll find with, like, Pixel and Essential and Oxygen OS and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 13:10 And that's really it. Like, Samsung takes a long time to get to it.

Marques Brownlee 13:13 Yeah, yeah. As great as Samsung phones are, they definitely are not first to get new software.

Joe Rogan 13:18 They're trying to do it quicker, apparently, what I've been reading. But I guess there is, there is a bunch of issues.

Marques Brownlee 13:24 Always a bottleneck.

Joe Rogan 13:25 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 13:26 You know?

Joe Rogan 13:26 Now, when, when you compare phones, like, do you have a checklist of things that you have, like, on a computer, or is it just all off the top of your head? Like, do you, do you have, like, a rating system that you use? A personal rating system?

Marques Brownlee 13:40 I don't have a rating ... I do have a, like, a s- like a checklist of things that I definitely pay attention to every time, that I must ... They ... I go through screens, displays, and battery life, and-

Joe Rogan 13:50 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 13:51 ... how good the camera is and things like that. But I never come to, like, a rating out of whatever. I used to do that a long time ago, but I stopped 'cause I just f- it's kind of, like, a never-ending ... You'll never, you'll never get a 10 out of 10, basically.

Joe Rogan 14:04 Right.

Marques Brownlee 14:04 'Cause if you ever give something a 10 out of 10, the next one's gonna be better, right? So, how do you, how do you put that on the scale? So, I just don't do numbers.

Joe Rogan 14:12 10 out of 10 for October 2018? Can you say that?

Marques Brownlee 14:14 Yeah, I guess you c- uh, you'd be like, "This is the best phone." Like I said, if I say this is the best phone right now, then maybe that's a ... it's not a 10 out of 10, but it's, like, the best you can get. But that, that line just keeps moving. So, I don't give things numbers, but ...

Joe Rogan 14:24 See, for me, the- those- the things that you said that would be a pain in the ass, that your music would shut off because you're using the camera, that's-

Marques Brownlee 14:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:31 ... kinda big to me.

Marques Brownlee 14:32 That's a pain in the ass, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:33 That-

Marques Brownlee 14:33 That- it's not a 10 out of 10 because of, I think, the memory is a problem.

Joe Rogan 14:37 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 14:37 Uh, the notch is bothering some people. It doesn't bother me any more. It just kinda blends in. I don't really look at the notch, so ...

Joe Rogan 14:44 Have you gone into the developer settings and fucked-

Marques Brownlee 14:46 No.

Joe Rogan 14:46 ... with the removal of the notch?

Marques Brownlee 14:48 I tried it. It wasn't that big a deal to me.

Joe Rogan 14:50 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 14:50 Like-

Joe Rogan 14:50 It just makes a big black bar over the top, right?

Marques Brownlee 14:53 Yeah, exactly. And you just lose the screen you paid extra for.

Joe Rogan 14:55 Yeah, that seems silly. Yeah, I don't-

Marques Brownlee 14:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:57 ... mind it on the iPhone. I mostly, mostly I use the XS Max, this one right here.

Marques Brownlee 15:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:01 But I'm so sour on Apple because of what they did with the batteries.

Marques Brownlee 15:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:07 That was such a dirty thing to me because everybody had always suspected. Like, my friend Bryan was always like, "Dude, I'm telling you, when the new phones come out, your old phone starts moving slower." I'm like-

Marques Brownlee 15:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:17 ... "Dude, that's a conspiracy. That's all horse shit."

Marques Brownlee 15:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:19 Like, "Your phone's just old, bro." But then, when I found out that it was real-

Marques Brownlee 15:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:23 ... I was like, "You assholes."

Marques Brownlee 15:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:25 And to pretend-

Marques Brownlee 15:26 It's ... The problem, the problem was the way they didn't tell people. Like, they could've just, uh, avoided, like, the whole whatever, like, PR or whatever you wanna call it, by just telling people, "Look, this is what we do when your phone's getting older. We need to preserve either the CPU or the battery, so we need to either voltage down the CPU or ch- save your battery. Pick one," and give us a choice. They didn't tell us until people started suspecting things and they had to make a statement, and then it looked kinda dirty and, like, hidden. And then-

Joe Rogan 15:53 It does ... But I don't buy it.

Marques Brownlee 15:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:55 I think it's a trick to try to get you to buy new phones. I don't ... It-

Marques Brownlee 15:57 There's no way they didn't think about that.

Joe Rogan 15:59 Yeah, of course they thought about it.

Marques Brownlee 16:00 There's no chance they didn't think about that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:01 Why else would they do it that way? Why wou- why else wouldn't they just let the battery be slower, or the-

Marques Brownlee 16:06 And then-

Joe Rogan 16:06 ... let the, the, the CPU be slower?

Marques Brownlee 16:08 And the best part is they give you the choice now, but if you never look for it, you'll never find it. And they definitely still default to saving your battery by under-clocking a chip.

Joe Rogan 16:18 Ugh.

Marques Brownlee 16:18 So, your phone will still slow down if you don't know where to find that option in the settings.

Joe Rogan 16:21 As soon as the new phones come out?

Marques Brownlee 16:24 Basically.

Joe Rogan 16:24 You motherfuckers.

Marques Brownlee 16:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:26 (laughs) It's just dirty.

Marques Brownlee 16:27 It seems pretty dirty, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:28 Because it's the thing that everybody always suspected. Al- everybody always suspected there was some sort of, uh, engineered obsolescence, and they're d- they're doing this on purpose to get you to keep buying the newest, latest and greatest. But y- I wanted to, like, go, "Nah, Apple?"

Marques Brownlee 16:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:42 "Come on. Apple wouldn't do that."

Marques Brownlee 16:44 I mean-

Joe Rogan 16:44 They're your friends.

Marques Brownlee 16:45 ... they paint this picture that's really up- upright and, like, "We want you to have the best experience-

Joe Rogan 16:50 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 16:50 ... as long as possible."

Joe Rogan 16:52 Sure.

Marques Brownlee 16:52 Which involves not replacing your battery, which means, "We'll just slow down your phone just a little bit-

Joe Rogan 16:57 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 16:57 ... so that it's ... it lasts longer and the battery can keep up." Makes sense on paper, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:03 On paper. Well, it's, there's a lot of things about Apple that I really like. I really love the A- the OS. I li- really love it. I mean-

Marques Brownlee 17:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:10 ... it's b- it's just so much better than Windows. But their keyboard sucks so bad on their laptop.

Marques Brownlee 17:16 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:16 It's just-

Marques Brownlee 17:16 Oh, the laptop, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:17 Clicky. It just doesn't, it doesn't feel good. There's ... it's got shallow travel. There's all these issues with ... I switched to a Lenovo. I went with a ThinkPad.

Marques Brownlee 17:26 Okay.

Joe Rogan 17:26 Just for, for stand-up, I have to write a lot.

Marques Brownlee 17:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:29 And I found out that I wri- ... way slower, like, maybe 10 words per minute slower.

Marques Brownlee 17:34 Huh.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Like, it's, it's a real issue because it's like y- you make a lot more mistakes with those little shallow, clicky things.

Marques Brownlee 17:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:42 And with the Lenovo, you have a, a much m- you have much more travel. It's much easier to touch type. It just feels better for me. But that bums me out. It's like, why can't they get that right? Like, you, you're making these things for creative people, right? That's your whole thing.

Marques Brownlee 17:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:57 It's like, think different, you know?

Marques Brownlee 17:58 That's another thing I kinda got, like ... It, it's again, like, what Apple tries to portray themself as versus what you're actually experiencing. If you never listen to Apple and you get the new laptop, you're like, "Wow, this keyboard's worse."

Joe Rogan 18:09 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 18:09 "This sucks. Why is this keyboard so shallow and mushy?"

Joe Rogan 18:12 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 18:12 Uh, and then you're supposed to listen to Apple and they're like, "Well, we made it quieter. We made it thinner. So, the laptop's thinner now." Uh, and they'll, they'll give you all these reasons why they did what they did, and there's ... You're supposed to go, "Oh, okay, yeah. That actually makes sense. Maybe this is better."

Joe Rogan 18:27 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 18:28 ... but your experience often says the opposite, so that's why people like to not listen to what Apple says and just evaluate it without listening to that, which makes sense.

Joe Rogan 18:36 Particularly for writers.

Marques Brownlee 18:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:38 For someone who writes, uh, and you write on a regular basis-

Marques Brownlee 18:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:42 ... you want a comfortable keyboard. And, you know, I've, I've constantly searched for the best keyboard. And right now, I think it's probably the ThinkPad, but I've heard great things about the Razor, the Razor Pro-

Marques Brownlee 18:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:54 ... which is the really large gaming one. It has a mechanical keyboard, for the first time ever on a laptop.

Marques Brownlee 19:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:00 And that's supposed to be really good.

Marques Brownlee 19:02 I have tried the Blade, and I've tried... What I'm using right now is the Surface, the Microsoft Surface laptop 2, and that's got a pretty good keyboard.

Joe Rogan 19:10 Yeah?

Marques Brownlee 19:10 It's, travels a lot. It's back-lit, and then the actual laptop part itself is not metal. It's got, like, Alcantara, like you might see inside a car, like a soft touch on the laptop.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Really?

Marques Brownlee 19:19 Out of my back pack, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:20 Oh, pull that out.

Marques Brownlee 19:21 So kind of like-

Joe Rogan 19:21 Go grab that.

Marques Brownlee 19:22 I'll go grab that.

Joe Rogan 19:22 Let's see that.

Marques Brownlee 19:22 It's kind of-

Joe Rogan 19:23 Alcantara?

Marques Brownlee 19:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:24 Like fake suede? Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 19:26 Like what you see in a car?

Joe Rogan 19:27 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 19:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:27 That's the craziest shit I've ever heard in my life. Alcantara. Yeah, um, the Razor ... Pull up, uh, that Razor Blade Pro 2, if you get a chance. We'll look at the Surface first because he's gonna go grab that. But the Razor Blade Pro is also, it's a, an enormous laptop, and it has the ... Yeah, that's it right there. The Razor Blade Pro is so big and wide that it actually has the mouse on the side, like a track pad. This is it, huh?

Marques Brownlee 19:55 So that's the Surface Laptop 2.

Joe Rogan 19:58 Oh, wow. How weird.

Marques Brownlee 20:00 And the keyboard's pretty good.

Joe Rogan 20:02 It's like a polished Alcantara. Ooh, that feels good.

Marques Brownlee 20:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:06 It does feel good.

Marques Brownlee 20:06 The question though, whenever you see that material, is like, if I'm putting my palms on that all the time, how long will that last? Will it start to, like, thin out and look kind of worn after a while? Or will it stay looking like that?

Joe Rogan 20:18 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 20:18 I hope it does. And also, the whole laptop is matte black, which is, I think that looks dope, but that's also usually a fingerprint magnet.

Joe Rogan 20:26 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 20:26 When you carry around, like, a matte black thing, you get like all this, this grease on it or whatever from carrying it.

Joe Rogan 20:30 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 20:31 So, like, that's a challenge for that laptop, but I love it. It's great.

Joe Rogan 20:33 Well, the other thing about the difference between the keyboard on this versus the keyboard on, uh, what I have is, I have the, uh, Lenovo Carbon X1.

Marques Brownlee 20:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:45 And what I really like about this is that there's, they're not flat. They have like a little bit of a, like a dip to them, so your fingers-

Marques Brownlee 20:55 In the key?

Joe Rogan 20:55 ... sort of sit in them a little bit. Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 20:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:57 There's like a little bit of a-

Marques Brownlee 20:58 Yeah, that's smart. I wish more ... So like you kinda, it's easier to ... Oh, yeah, it's easier to touch type when you have-

Joe Rogan 21:03 Yeah, exactly.

Marques Brownlee 21:04 ... like, the spot ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:05 Why don't people figure that out?

Marques Brownlee 21:07 I think all of it is just, you get used to it. Like, there's a, there's a Google tablet that came out recently with a $200 keyboard accessory that has circular keys, and slightly concave, but like, typing on it was fine, and like they claim like, oh, yeah, once you get used to it, like the surface area of the key being circular makes it easier to type faster after a while.

Joe Rogan 21:27 Huh.

Marques Brownlee 21:28 I don't know if I'd buy that yet, but-

Joe Rogan 21:29 Maybe if you were a secretary, and you really (typing sounds) .

Marques Brownlee 21:31 You're really used to the circular.

Joe Rogan 21:33 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 21:33 It looks like a typewriter, when you just look at it.

Joe Rogan 21:35 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 21:35 But yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:35 Which one is it? Pull, pull that thing out. Let me see what that is.

Marques Brownlee 21:37 That would be the Google ... Oh, what do they call it? Something tab. It came out, like, the same time the Pixel 3, and their naming is weird with them. But it has a, yeah, basically a Surface-like, like $200 keyboard magnet accessory. You can prop it up at any angle, and it goes from a tablet to a laptop with this keyboard dock.

Joe Rogan 21:58 Huh.

Marques Brownlee 21:58 And then it's, uh, it's kind of interesting. But the circular keys, I found weird.

Joe Rogan 22:02 That Alcantara on the hand rest feels amazing.

Marques Brownlee 22:05 Yeah. It makes it-

Joe Rogan 22:06 That's really nice.

Marques Brownlee 22:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:07 I think I can get used to that.

Marques Brownlee 22:09 I, I, I've been using a MacBook Pro for so long, like, I, the contrast is ... Like I, I was really used to, like, having metal and, like, metal feels premium and good.

Joe Rogan 22:17 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 22:17 Like, it's not gonna wear down. Um, but I, I like this a lot actually.

Joe Rogan 22:22 Well, what metal doesn't feel good, though is on your hands when you're sitting on it for a long time. If you're writing-

Marques Brownlee 22:27 The edges.

Joe Rogan 22:28 Yeah. The edges.

Marques Brownlee 22:28 Yeah. Yeah, they kind of got the edges right-

Joe Rogan 22:30 Feel annoying.

Marques Brownlee 22:30 ... where, like, they wrap the, the material around to the sides.

Joe Rogan 22:33 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 22:33 The MacBook Pro is literally sharp.

Joe Rogan 22:35 Yeah, it cuts you, kinda.

Marques Brownlee 22:36 Like ... (laughs) If you put your hands on the edge for too long, I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 22:38 This Lenovo is carbon fiber.

Marques Brownlee 22:40 Nice.

Joe Rogan 22:40 So this whole thing is, uh-

Marques Brownlee 22:42 It's not cheap, though.

Joe Rogan 22:43 No, it's not cheap.

Marques Brownlee 22:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:44 It's ... In comparison to, uh, a Mac laptop, though, it's-

Marques Brownlee 22:48 True.

Joe Rogan 22:48 It is. And there's way more options. That's the other thing. With a Mac, you get like a 13-inch, you get a 15-inch, you get a touch bar, or you get nothing. What's the matter, Jamie?

Marques Brownlee 22:58 Pixel Slate. I just had it there. The picture changed.

Joe Rogan 23:01 Oh, these motherfuckers.

Marques Brownlee 23:02 Uh- That's what it's called though. Pixel Slate. There it is.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Oh, there it is.

Marques Brownlee 23:05 My favorite name.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Okay. So there's the keys. Huh?

Marques Brownlee 23:07 Those are your circular keys.

Joe Rogan 23:08 And that sort of connects to the tablet.

Marques Brownlee 23:11 It's a great accessory. Like, the, the magnet on the back, like I don't know if you've seen a Surface-

Joe Rogan 23:16 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 23:16 ... the tablet with the little kickstand?

Joe Rogan 23:18 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 23:18 You kind of have, like, a couple notches where you can adjust it. And I think the new version has infinite adjustment, but this is the same thing. Like, there's a magnet in the back of the Surface, or the, the Pixel Slate (laughs) that lets you adjust the tablet to any angle, watch videos, type, whatever.

Joe Rogan 23:32 Apple's the only company that makes keyboards, that I know, that had it better in like 2012 than they do in 2018. If you get a 2012 MacBook, you go, "Oh, this is kind of better."

Marques Brownlee 23:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:43 "There's more travel."

Marques Brownlee 23:44 Yeah. You might think it's like an upgrade if they went backwards.

Joe Rogan 23:47 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 23:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:48 That's-

Marques Brownlee 23:48 Yeah, I agree.

Joe Rogan 23:49 ... goofy. (laughs) What the fuck?

Marques Brownlee 23:51 I kind of agree.

Joe Rogan 23:51 I don't know how they did that.

Marques Brownlee 23:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:54 Th- They're so design-oriented. I mean, everything looks stellar.

Marques Brownlee 23:58 That's what it is. Apple has been, uh, not a victim of their own desire to make great design, but they often, very often make compromises, sometimes to the detriment of how good a product can be, to make it look better.

Joe Rogan 24:14 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 24:14 Classic example was the Mac Pro, the little circular trash can looking Mac Pro that came out in-

Joe Rogan 24:19 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 24:20 ... 2012 or something like that?

Joe Rogan 24:21 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 24:22 Uh, they kept, they made all these promises. "It's this sleek, modern workstation. It's gonna have the Xeon chips and big GPUs." And I loved it, uh, but it only had one fan.... for a six, $7,000 workstation. And they constantly overheated and would throttle and-

Joe Rogan 24:40 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 24:40 ... eventually it was a nightmare for them.

Joe Rogan 24:42 Wasn't that something that was going on with the latest laptops? With the latest MacBook Pros?

Marques Brownlee 24:46 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:47 They-

Marques Brownlee 24:47 Same thing.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 24:48 Same thing. They made the, the i9, the Core i9, they put in this super thin laptop. They made this laptop so thin and they kept the fan speed so low 'cause it's gotta be quiet. Gotta be very quiet.

Joe Rogan 24:57 Yeah. Shh.

Marques Brownlee 24:57 So they, they just throttled the CPU down so it wouldn't get so hot that they had to kick up the fans that high.

Joe Rogan 25:03 So the actual performance, even though the CPU is more powerful, was not as good as the last model.

Marques Brownlee 25:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:09 That's-

Marques Brownlee 25:09 Which was-

Joe Rogan 25:09 ... fucking stupid. (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 25:10 ... to make it look good, exactly. So yeah, Apple's been a victim of their own, like, desire to make things so beautiful-

Joe Rogan 25:17 And then-

Marques Brownlee 25:18 ... many times.

Joe Rogan 25:18 ... they got fucked by Huawei, 'cause Huawei came along with the MateBook. And the MateBook Pro is really a better version of the MacBook.

Marques Brownlee 25:27 I'm into it, yeah. There's a-

Joe Rogan 25:28 They fucking nailed it. There's no bezels. The way that webcam pops up from the, the button-

Marques Brownlee 25:33 That I found interesting. I don't know how it's like-

Joe Rogan 25:35 It's a weird angle. It's like up your nostrils.

Marques Brownlee 25:36 Exactly. It's like on s- the table level of wherever you're sitting.

Joe Rogan 25:39 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 25:39 Kinda looking up at you.

Joe Rogan 25:40 That's very odd.

Marques Brownlee 25:41 But yeah, there's, there's a lotta great things about that. But I think-

Joe Rogan 25:44 Pull that thing up, MateBook Pro-

Jamie Vernon 25:46 Yeah. It's a really great looking thing.

Joe Rogan 25:46 ... Huawei. But meanwhile, it's probably spying on you all day long.

Marques Brownlee 25:49 (laughs) Yeah, it's a thing.

Joe Rogan 25:49 Sending information to the Chinese government. (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 25:52 Yeah. Huawei's reputation's not so hot. Um-

Joe Rogan 25:55 They just found some spy chip in their cellphones.

Marques Brownlee 25:57 Oh, you're talking about the, uh ... Well, there was a couple things that just happened with, with chips in hardware. There was another thing about a Bloomberg report. Did you see that?

Joe Rogan 26:08 Yes.

Marques Brownlee 26:08 Of, uh, the chips that came from all these, this, this server company, or this company that makes the chips that sells to all these big companies, like Apple and, and major, major companies, and now everyone's compromised. And Apple's-

Joe Rogan 26:22 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 26:22 ... like, "Nope, not true. Definitely not true. Don't say that."

Joe Rogan 26:25 "Of course, not us."

Marques Brownlee 26:25 "Yeah, no, 100% not us."

Joe Rogan 26:27 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 26:28 But like, yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 26:29 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 26:29 That's a really weird story.

Joe Rogan 26:30 But look at this MateBook, look, the bezels, they're almost nonexistent.

Marques Brownlee 26:36 So your challenge-

Joe Rogan 26:36 That is a gorgeous website.

Marques Brownlee 26:38 If you're, if you're-

Joe Rogan 26:38 Or a gorgeous laptop, rather.

Marques Brownlee 26:39 If you're Huawei and you make that, now you have to convince people to switch from the MacBooks that they love to that.

Joe Rogan 26:46 Yes.

Marques Brownlee 26:46 Just on looks alone, they could probably do it.

Joe Rogan 26:49 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 26:49 But then there's all the other features like, well, it doesn't run Mac OS X. Do I have iMessage?

Joe Rogan 26:55 Right.

Marques Brownlee 26:55 Do I have-

Joe Rogan 26:55 No.

Marques Brownlee 26:56 ... all these other things that I like about my Mac? This huge touch pad.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Right.

Marques Brownlee 27:00 Um-

Joe Rogan 27:00 Well, it does have a huge touch pad.

Marques Brownlee 27:02 Yes, but, I, I'd say to this day, still, Apple has the best laptop touch pads, the multi-touch stuff.

Joe Rogan 27:09 The battery life's supposed to be excellent as well, right?

Marques Brownlee 27:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:11 How, how-

Marques Brownlee 27:12 Look at that, that chart back when-

Joe Rogan 27:13 Jimmy.

Marques Brownlee 27:13 That chart was perfect 'cause that's like all these X's for the, yes, we have great design. We have better ports.

Joe Rogan 27:18 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 27:18 You only have USB-C on that little MacBook Pro.

Joe Rogan 27:19 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 27:19 We have full size USB. We have all this stuff. We'll give audio to the MacBook Pro. It's got bigger speakers, whatever. But we have a better battery life. We have all this better lower price, all this stuff. And you still have to reconcile with what people love about their MacBook Pros-

Joe Rogan 27:34 Yes.

Marques Brownlee 27:34 ... which is Mac OS X.

Joe Rogan 27:35 Well, there's that, but there's also people love having an Apple product.

Marques Brownlee 27:40 That too.

Joe Rogan 27:40 They do love that.

Marques Brownlee 27:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:41 They lo- like if someone, if I could-

Marques Brownlee 27:43 If you put an Apple logo on a Huawei, I wonder how many they could sell?

Joe Rogan 27:46 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 27:46 It'd probably be a little better.

Joe Rogan 27:47 Sell the shit out of them.

Marques Brownlee 27:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:48 Well, you know, some comic has a joke about texting a girl and the text message comes back in green and you go, "Damn, she's poor." (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 27:57 (laughs) 'Cause pe-

Joe Rogan 27:57 It's the true thought people have.

Marques Brownlee 27:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:58 Yes. People want-

Marques Brownlee 27:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:00 ... iMessage. Like, if you're, if you're messaging someone and you find out it won't send an iMessage, it'll only send a text message, you're like, "Oh, this weirdo." Either they have a flip phone-

Marques Brownlee 28:08 And it's a weird-

Joe Rogan 28:08 ... like some cave person.

Marques Brownlee 28:10 ... person. I've been on the other side of that. Like, I carry an iPhone but I don't, I text people on my Android phone. So I've never been on the, uh, judging side. But I, I wonder about that every day, like, really what does it matter? Like, I text you with a green bubble, which Apple decided first of all to differentiate iMessage versus text-

Joe Rogan 28:27 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 28:27 ... message, which is hilarious. Um, what, who cares? Like what-

Joe Rogan 28:31 Well, the blue-

Marques Brownlee 28:32 ... does it matter?

Joe Rogan 28:32 ... does look better.

Marques Brownlee 28:33 It, I'm sure they decided to. They, I'm sure in a software update they tweaked that green to make it look extra harsh or like different. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:38 Well, you know, what it is is they figured out, they figured out with pool tables a long time ago. Like, pool tables, the cloth generally is green, right?

Marques Brownlee 28:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:47 But when they started playing professional tournaments, they realized that blue cloth is actually easier on the eyes and you could differentiate, differentiate the edges better. So a lot of like really high end professional matches are played on blue cloth now.

Marques Brownlee 29:03 That makes sense.

Joe Rogan 29:03 It's like a light blue, sky blue cloth.

Marques Brownlee 29:06 Yeah. I've seen ... And that's I guess because of the way your eyes work.

Joe Rogan 29:09 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 29:09 Like something about primary colors and the cones and you're more contrast sensitive to blue or something like that. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Well, it's something about-

Marques Brownlee 29:16 I'm, I'm remembering.

Joe Rogan 29:16 ... the way, the way white contrasts with green is not quite as pleasing as white contrasting with blue.

Marques Brownlee 29:22 Weird.

Joe Rogan 29:22 But it could be that Apple's fucking with you with the green-

Marques Brownlee 29:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:26 ... to give you some vomit green.

Marques Brownlee 29:27 Make it some brown color next year. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:30 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 29:30 What?

Jamie Vernon 29:31 The color of the app is green.

Joe Rogan 29:33 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 29:33 Why wouldn't they make it blue? iMessage, the app, that button you press to open it is green.

Marques Brownlee 29:36 It's a green logo.

Joe Rogan 29:37 That's true though.

Jamie Vernon 29:37 Why not make it blue?

Joe Rogan 29:38 That's really true.

Marques Brownlee 29:39 Oh.

Joe Rogan 29:39 Yeah, what the fuck?

Marques Brownlee 29:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:41 That's very good point, Jamie.

Jamie Vernon 29:42 Hey.

Joe Rogan 29:42 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 29:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:44 Yeah, why do they do that? It's still-

Jamie Vernon 29:46 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 29:46 Why would it be green when you're sending blue messages, Apple?

Jamie Vernon 29:49 It's weird. Fuck.

Joe Rogan 29:50 You dorks. Steve Jobs dead. You guys are fucked. You don't know what you're doing.

Marques Brownlee 29:54 Design.

Joe Rogan 29:54 Um, but the, the MateBook, other than that, it's supposed to have a better keyboard. It's supposed to have a keyboard that's probably similar to that Surface Book.

Marques Brownlee 30:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:02 And it's supposed to have better battery life, right?

Marques Brownlee 30:05 Bezel less.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Yeah, bezel less.

Marques Brownlee 30:07 Touch screen.

Joe Rogan 30:07 Touch screen.

Marques Brownlee 30:08 Higher resolution.

Joe Rogan 30:09 But you gotta deal with Windows 10, which is a little bit of a pain in the ass, I gotta admit. It's like the updates are almost daily.

Marques Brownlee 30:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:16 There's something going on with firmware or something going on with this or that or ...

Marques Brownlee 30:21 I've gotten used to it, mostly though because most of what I do on my laptop is pretty web based, so I'm just living in Chrome or Safari or whatever.

Joe Rogan 30:29 Right.

Marques Brownlee 30:29 So it's not a big deal. But then yeah, once I have to go out and I'm gonna go in Lightroom and do some photo work and then like suddenly I'm digging through files and I'm in Windows and it's, then you start to-

Joe Rogan 30:38 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 30:38 ... feel like you're different.

Joe Rogan 30:40 Yeah, when you, well first time you have to update a driver you're like, "What is it? 1996?"

Marques Brownlee 30:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:45 "What the fuck is going on here?" Updating drivers?

Marques Brownlee 30:47 Yeah. I try to avoid that.

Joe Rogan 30:49 Ew.... it's just, they're close, though. Like, it's way better than it was five years ago.

Marques Brownlee 30:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:55 You know, five years ago, you would look at Windows, you'd be like, "This is, like, some archaic, pixelated-"

Marques Brownlee 31:00 Came from Vista to Windows 7 to Windows 10. Vista was kind of that nightmare, and then they kinda-

Joe Rogan 31:07 (coughs)

Marques Brownlee 31:07 ... have worked upwards since then.

Joe Rogan 31:08 I started with Windows 95. I used to make my own computers back in my hardcore video gaming days.

Marques Brownlee 31:14 Nice. Same.

Joe Rogan 31:15 I used to go to Fry's Electronics and get motherboards and the box and fans and-

Marques Brownlee 31:20 I started that online, so I never went to a physical computer store to buy parts. But I would have to do the whole, like, cross, cross-referencing what's compatible with what online and then put together a whole list and then just buy it. And then nine boxes show up.

Joe Rogan 31:35 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 31:35 And, like, hopefully they all work.

Joe Rogan 31:37 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 31:37 But yeah, it was the same experience.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Yeah. In SLI video cards and connecting them with that cable and all that jazz.

Marques Brownlee 31:44 You ever mess up and break one?

Joe Rogan 31:46 Oh, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 31:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:46 Yeah, fucked up-

Marques Brownlee 31:47 Make you... But fixing it makes you feel like you did something.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Well, there's something going on when you're, like, m- the jumpers for the motherboard and you're moving stuff around, and it's, uh, it was, it was cool.

Marques Brownlee 31:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:58 And then once you actually got online with a computer you made yourself, you're like, "This is-"

Marques Brownlee 32:02 Yeah, I built that.

Joe Rogan 32:02 "... something about this." (coughs)

Marques Brownlee 32:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:04 And I remember when you used to be able to do that with Apple. You used to be able to buy clones.

Marques Brownlee 32:09 Yeah, I mean, my... So I, way back in the day, still in high school, I had a Dell XPS, like, 730, I think it was called. This huge desktop, where, again, you could, like, take the CPU cooler out, put a new one in. It was modular fully. And then Apple also made this huge desktop, this Power Mac.

Joe Rogan 32:25 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 32:26 Or I don't know what it was called at the time, but it was, again, massive. You could take the graphics card out, put a new one in. You could take the RAM out, take the CPU out. But it was, like, this, this weird system where, like, they were on, like, decks, and you had to, like, tr- like, take this big metal slot out and then do the CPU there and then put it back in.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 32:43 It was really satisfying to, like-

Joe Rogan 32:45 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 32:45 ... change the hardware and, like, "Yeah, I did that." And then you'd boot it up-

Joe Rogan 32:48 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 32:48 ... and it's like, "That's exactly right. Now it's got eight gigs of RAM."

Joe Rogan 32:50 Yeah, there's so- especially, I don't know, I think it's a man thing too. Men like changing carburetors.

Marques Brownlee 32:56 The mechanical feel of-

Joe Rogan 32:57 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 32:57 ... Yeah, that's probably a lot to do with it too.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Yeah, that's it.

Marques Brownlee 33:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:01 (coughs)

Marques Brownlee 33:01 That thing.

Joe Rogan 33:01 Yeah, remember that sucker?

Marques Brownlee 33:03 Yeah. I think even one generation after that, 'cause that whole, that... It had, like, basically, like, elevator levels to it. Like, the top level-

Joe Rogan 33:09 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 33:09 ... and then the bottom level and then the hard drives and the power supply on the top. Like, all that stuff. And you can mess with that.

Joe Rogan 33:14 If you go over someone's house and they have that now, you're like, "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

Marques Brownlee 33:18 But that's the thing about, like, that was the most accessible, modular desktop Apple ever, ever made. And now they're making this promise again, like, "All right. We listened. We know that little trash can Mac Pro was not good, thermally or design-wise for anyone, so we're gonna make a modular professional desktop Mac Pro again." That's what they said. And it's gonna be next year sometime, and I keep picturing that. I picture them going back to the roots of, like, a real bonafide desktop, 'cause right now, the most powerful iMac or Mac you can get is the iMac Pro. And you can't even update the RAM in the iMac Pro.

Joe Rogan 33:55 Really?

Marques Brownlee 33:55 You can't update anything about iMac Pro.

Joe Rogan 33:58 What? Really?

Marques Brownlee 33:58 Yeah. What you buy is what you get. If you buy a $7000 iMac Pro, you will have that spec forever.

Joe Rogan 34:06 Ugh.

Marques Brownlee 34:06 Apple doesn't want you opening anything in that thing. So when they say, "Yeah, we're gonna make a modular, updatable, real well-designed Apple desktop," I'm like, "I really hope they're doing that, like, exactly," 'cause that's... I love that.

Joe Rogan 34:20 Do they have regular towers anymore? Or-

Marques Brownlee 34:24 No.

Joe Rogan 34:24 No? Everything's an iMac?

Marques Brownlee 34:25 They had that, that little trash can, and then the Mac Mini, which is the longest since they've ever updated it. I'm hoping they update it at the event this month. But the Mac Mini is the only other tower they made, and that's got laptop internals, so not really a true desktop, so.

Joe Rogan 34:42 So everything... Well, is, is that just because of technology's advanced to the point where you can kind of fit everything in the big screen of an iMac?

Marques Brownlee 34:50 Basically, yeah. I mean, the, the iMac-

Joe Rogan 34:52 (coughs)

Marques Brownlee 34:52 ... they have those desktop internals in it, but, uh, yeah, like, you're, you're still gonna be restrained by, like, how closed off that space is, how many fans they can fit in there. Um, so if they really wanna do, like, a true desktop, they gotta open it up and make it huge.

Joe Rogan 35:09 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 35:09 Which is not very like Apple, so it's gonna be interesting to see what they do.

Joe Rogan 35:12 Yeah. Um, I'm w- is your... You ha- what year is your laptop over there? That's an older one, right?

Jamie Vernon 35:17 It's the last one before they added the track bar.

Joe Rogan 35:20 Right.

Marques Brownlee 35:20 The last one that glows.

Jamie Vernon 35:21 Yeah, so, like, 2015.

Joe Rogan 35:22 Does yours have a dip at all to the keys?

Jamie Vernon 35:25 I took a look and I... Yeah, very s- very small. Yeah, it's a little one.

Joe Rogan 35:28 But that's all you need. All you need is a very small dip.

Jamie Vernon 35:32 It's not flat.

Joe Rogan 35:32 As soon as they went with flat, they, they fucked up. There's a company that refurbishes 17-inch MacBooks.

Marques Brownlee 35:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:41 The big one, the mac daddy, the nice one.

Marques Brownlee 35:43 Need to have a 17-inch laptop.

Joe Rogan 35:45 I used to love that one.

Marques Brownlee 35:45 That was-

Joe Rogan 35:45 They refurbish it and put a, like, a modern CPU in it. They put a, a big, um, SSD drive, like a one terabyte or two terabyte SSD drive.

Marques Brownlee 35:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:54 So you, you deal with a solid state drive, so it instantly fires up, much more RAM, much more everything.

Marques Brownlee 36:00 Yeah. That's what they call a desktop replacement laptop.

Joe Rogan 36:02 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 36:03 I was into that for a while. That was, like, one of my... That's actually how I started my channel, was I bought a 17-inch laptop, and I was trying to figure out which one, like, strikes the balance of where I want to be with taking it off the dock once in a while and walking around the house maybe, but, like, planting it back here, and it's my desktop, and it's a 17-inch screen. That was where I, like, started, and I ended up with a HP.

Joe Rogan 36:22 And the good thing is, if you're at the airport and you have, like, a canceled flight, you could get a workout in just, like, lifting that thing.

Marques Brownlee 36:29 (laughs) Little 12-pound laptop.

Joe Rogan 36:29 In front of you, go to the side, go to the side, do sit-ups with it.

Marques Brownlee 36:33 Yeah. That's the other thing though. I was on the plane with this. This is, like, a 12-inch screen, and every time the guy in front of me leaned back, he just, like, smacked my laptop, like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:40 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 36:40 I had to, like, move it. You really need like a 12-inch, a nine-inch screen probably to get away with.

Joe Rogan 36:45 What, what? That's 12 inches? Can you t- flip that around?

Marques Brownlee 36:47 It is a 12 or 13-inch screen, but it's, like, a taller three to two aspect ratio.

Joe Rogan 36:51 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 36:51 So it's not, like-... like, the smaller, uh, 16 by nine screen would be underneath, like, where that guy was hitting my screen.

Joe Rogan 36:59 So most of the bezel seems like it's on the bottom?

Marques Brownlee 37:01 Uh-

Joe Rogan 37:03 So there's.

Marques Brownlee 37:03 ... Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:03 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 37:03 So your, your chin at the bottom here. I mean, it's a pretty, pretty good sized bezel but, like, I'm still hoping for, like, a bezel-less laptop, so-

Joe Rogan 37:10 Like a ... Have you ever thought about going with the Huawei?

Marques Brownlee 37:13 Uh, not really. Mostly because I switch laptops so infrequently that I was just like, if it's not massively better than the MacBook Pro, I don't really feel the need to switch.

Joe Rogan 37:23 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 37:23 This came o- on my radar in the last, like, two weeks, and I decided to try it. And it's been, like, worth a shot. Like, I'm really into it. I'm probably gonna switch back to the MacBook Pro in a little while once I start to run up against things like, this doesn't have USB-C, which is sad.

Joe Rogan 37:40 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 37:40 Uh-

Joe Rogan 37:40 That's weird that-

Marques Brownlee 37:41 ... and eventually that's gonna bite me, and when I do I'm gonna wanna switch back. But it's got-

Joe Rogan 37:45 A new- a new Microsoft laptop that doesn't have USB-C doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Marques Brownlee 37:48 It doesn't. At all.

Joe Rogan 37:50 Why'd they do that?

Marques Brownlee 37:51 I have no idea. I wanna ask them.

Joe Rogan 37:52 It looks great.

Marques Brownlee 37:53 It's a great laptop. It doesn't have ... Uh, the charger is this weird, like, it's not like MagSafe, but it's this, like, slot charger thing, where y- it, like, goes in and out easily, but also doesn't have a c- a card reader. Also doesn't have-

Joe Rogan 38:06 Really?

Marques Brownlee 38:06 ... like, yeah, a lot of things that I kind of hoped a laptop would have, so ...

Joe Rogan 38:10 Yeah. This thing has everything. This thing has regular USB, USB-C-

Marques Brownlee 38:15 This has one full-sized-

Joe Rogan 38:17 ... card reader-

Marques Brownlee 38:17 ... USB port, a headphone jack, and what looks like-

Joe Rogan 38:20 This has HDMI.

Marques Brownlee 38:23 Yeah, this does not have that.

Joe Rogan 38:23 I'm a big fan of this thing. And then they make a, they make a 15-inch version of it as well. This is the, I guess ... I don't know how big that is.

Marques Brownlee 38:33 So what do you do, like, mostly on the laptop stuff? 'Cause I know-

Joe Rogan 38:35 Mostly writing. Writing and then getting online.

Marques Brownlee 38:38 Okay.

Joe Rogan 38:38 Just online bullshit. But-

Marques Brownlee 38:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:40 ... no software really. I'm not really running anything other than writing programs. Microsoft Word, which is native, right?

Marques Brownlee 38:46 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could probably get away with any number of lap- similar laptops-

Joe Rogan 38:51 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 38:51 ... just like ... So at that point, you basically, like, pick the design you like best and if it has the ports you need then you're good. But if you find yourself, like, if I'm a f- ... I like to do photo editing a lot, and so basically I have to have some way to read memory cards. MacBook Pro doesn't. It just has a lot of USB-C ports, so I just have that dongle, plug in the USB card reader and then I'm good. This one I'll, I'll have to get a USB card reader also for it, and then get Lightroom and then I'm good. But-

Joe Rogan 39:16 You'll have to get a regular USB card reader there-

Marques Brownlee 39:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:18 ... though, which is, like-

Marques Brownlee 39:19 Which is-

Joe Rogan 39:20 ... five years ago.

Marques Brownlee 39:20 ... a little, a little less common. Still easy to find but, like-

Joe Rogan 39:22 It's kind of dorky.

Marques Brownlee 39:23 Eventually it'll be, like, 2020 and I'm like, "I don't want this in 2020."

Joe Rogan 39:27 Yeah. That Razor Pro, the Razor Blade Pro that we were talking about, what's interesting about that is it has a track pad on the right-hand side, like a mouse.

Marques Brownlee 39:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:35 Like, as if the mouse was on the right.

Marques Brownlee 39:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:37 And then it has this enormous keyboard.

Marques Brownlee 39:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:40 And a mechanical keyboard, which I'm a really big fan of. I like those clicky, mechanical-

Marques Brownlee 39:44 It's a true, true desktop replacement. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Yeah. Look at that thing.

Marques Brownlee 39:48 Yeah. It's massive.

Joe Rogan 39:49 Plus, look at all the cool colors. So pretty.

Marques Brownlee 39:51 I have not ... The 15-inch with the, the RGB, they love their RGB. I still (laughs) ... That's such a Razor thing 'cause they, they have a phone now. I don't know if you know the Razor Phone-

Joe Rogan 39:59 Mm-hmm. Yeah, I have it.

Marques Brownlee 40:00 The Razor Phone 2 has RGB glowing backlight.

Joe Rogan 40:04 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 40:04 It's hilarious but it's, that's, that's their own aesthetic. But, um ...

Joe Rogan 40:08 What does RGB stand for?

Marques Brownlee 40:10 Just red, green, blue.

Joe Rogan 40:11 Oh, okay.

Marques Brownlee 40:11 Like, like the fact that you can cycle between colors or whatever-

Joe Rogan 40:15 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 40:17 ... at any time, uh, is almost, almost pointless. Like, it's technically a backlight, which is useful, but other than that you're just kind of, you know, getting into the gamer aesthetic, which is pretty fun.

Joe Rogan 40:27 Yeah. It's ... Well, it's, it's a fantastic thing if you're into games. Like, that thing literally you can play high-end games at very high frame rates.

Marques Brownlee 40:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:38 And you know, I'm ... I don't know what kind of battery life it has.

Marques Brownlee 40:42 Probably not that great. It's a 4K.

Joe Rogan 40:44 But so much juice and so much screen and-

Marques Brownlee 40:47 That's a f- ... So that's a 4K laptop with a desktop GPU in it. So I think-

Joe Rogan 40:51 So there's a 4K model versus a full HD mode model.

Marques Brownlee 40:54 And I think the f- 4K has a lower max frame rate, if I'm not-

Joe Rogan 40:59 So what is the difference in full HD model?

Marques Brownlee 41:02 Ah, so I think at the ... Full HD model is a higher ... Yeah, 120 hertz 1080p or probably 60 hertz 4K. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:09 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 41:10 So if you're gaming you'll probably go with the 1080p, but then you get your higher frame rates and you'll enjoy games better on that.

Joe Rogan 41:16 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 41:16 But if you're photo editing then you'll probably go with the 4K, and you get that desktop power. Or video editing, for example. But, uh, I don't think the battery life (laughs) would be very long on a 4K laptop with desktop GPU-

Joe Rogan 41:29 It seems hard to imagine. It's so big.

Marques Brownlee 41:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:33 Like, find out what it says in terms of the battery life.

Jamie Vernon 41:36 It says log in, but ...

Joe Rogan 41:37 Like, if you're just playing a game and you're not plugged in, you're kind of fucked.

Marques Brownlee 41:40 Yeah. If you're that, if you're that guy, you're walking around with the power cable all the time.

Joe Rogan 41:44 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 41:45 100%. You're walking to a new room, plugging it in, and then setting up there.

Joe Rogan 41:49 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 41:49 Which is better than a desktop, technically. But yeah, you're walking around with the power all the time.

Joe Rogan 41:54 Yeah. Better than a desktop technically, but is it as powerful as a desktop? Like if you get a real-

Marques Brownlee 41:58 Almost.

Joe Rogan 41:58 ... gaming desktop.

Marques Brownlee 41:59 Almost. I think their goal is to get as close to a desktop as they reasonably can, and then give you the ability to take it places quickly.

Joe Rogan 42:08 Mm-hmm. What does it say about the, uh ... Oh, you fucking motherfucker. Disable-

Marques Brownlee 42:14 Every website ever, man.

Joe Rogan 42:15 Everybody's ... With the pop-ups. Ugh. So gross. Look at this world we live in now. Why would I want notifications from your website?

Marques Brownlee 42:25 I saw a great GIF the other day. Am I saying that right? GIF? Uh, of, like, every website where, like, you go onto this ... You don't even get to the content, it's just-

Joe Rogan 42:34 Three hours 52 minutes battery life (laughs) .

Marques Brownlee 42:37 Yeah, that sounds about right.

Jamie Vernon 42:38 And movie, movie test.

Marques Brownlee 42:39 For just watching a movie?

Joe Rogan 42:40 That's still pretty hilariously low.

Marques Brownlee 42:41 So that means you're at, you're at 100%, you watch a movie, and then it's dead.

Joe Rogan 42:45 Yeah. That's hilariously low.

Marques Brownlee 42:47 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 42:47 Wow.

Joe Rogan 42:47 'Cause if you watch a movie on a MacBook Pro, like, you've got plenty of juice left after that-

Marques Brownlee 42:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:52 ... movie's over. You might be able to watch three or four movies.

Jamie Vernon 42:55 There you go. There's the battery.

Marques Brownlee 42:57 99 watt hour battery.

Joe Rogan 42:58 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 42:58 That's actually a huge battery. But still-

Joe Rogan 43:01 ... yeah. That's-

Marques Brownlee 43:02 Got the massive speakers.

Joe Rogan 43:03 ... one of the things that I like about S- not this model of Lenovo, but some of the ThinkPads have a swappable battery that you could swap while-

Marques Brownlee 43:10 Oh, that's old school.

Joe Rogan 43:10 ... the, while it's on.

Marques Brownlee 43:11 Yeah. Oh, what?

Joe Rogan 43:12 Yes.

Marques Brownlee 43:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:14 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 43:14 I used to be able to do that. Yeah, that's definitely rare.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Two batteries. There's an internal battery and there's an external battery. So you pop out the external bat- which is a big, thick band in the back-

Marques Brownlee 43:21 Wire plugged in. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:22 ... if you wanna get the full jammy that goes like 25 fucking hours.

Marques Brownlee 43:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:26 And if you pop that sucker out, you could do it while this is still running.

Marques Brownlee 43:29 Yep.

Joe Rogan 43:30 And it doesn't shut off. Pop the new one in, bam.

Marques Brownlee 43:32 Hot swapping.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Hot swapping.

Marques Brownlee 43:34 But the, I haven't had a laptop with that since like, like a seven years ago probably.

Joe Rogan 43:39 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 43:39 It's been a long time.

Joe Rogan 43:40 Yeah. Well, I think-

Marques Brownlee 43:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:42 ... ThinkPads are mostly business oriented.

Marques Brownlee 43:44 100%

Joe Rogan 43:45 And that's really mostly what people are using them for.

Marques Brownlee 43:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:48 But it's, you know, there, there's that balance of like, what are you looking for? Like, are you, are you looking for something that can do everything? Are you looking for something that's just ... I mean, most people, for a lot of people, you could really get by with one of those Google Chromebooks.

Marques Brownlee 44:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:02 It doesn't have much storage at all.

Marques Brownlee 44:04 That's where I'll probably end up getting my parents into a a lot, like, if your parents or grandparents don't really need much of a computer, but all they need to do really is email someone.

Joe Rogan 44:13 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 44:14 Maybe go to a website or two, watch a online movie. You just need a web browser.

Joe Rogan 44:19 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 44:19 So like a Chromebook is great. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:21 Yes. So much is in the cloud.

Marques Brownlee 44:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:23 You know, I mean, so many people keep their photos in the cloud. They keep it, as long as you have an internet connection, you're good.

Marques Brownlee 44:29 You're good.

Joe Rogan 44:30 But in terms of like local storage.

Marques Brownlee 44:32 Yeah. That's what, that's probably one of the things about, especially when I was talking about this phone, not only does it only have four gigs of RAM, it also only has 64 gigs of storage.

Joe Rogan 44:41 That's it?

Marques Brownlee 44:43 Uh, there's a 64 and a 128. And there's a lot of phones now that have like 256, 512, and then expandable storage via micro SD. And the reasoning Google is giving, which I actually subscribe to, is everything just goes through the cloud. Like-

Joe Rogan 44:56 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 44:57 ... the only thing I keep offline is my Spotify library and podcasts. So my whole Spotify, whatever is like 30 gigs.

Joe Rogan 45:04 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 45:04 And then whatever podcasts I have is a couple more gigs. I don't need a 512 gig phone for everything I usually keep offline. I have a couple big apps, but not really. Uh, and then all the photos I take get uploaded automatically to Google Photos in full resolution, and I never really have to keep all of them locally.

Joe Rogan 45:23 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 45:24 So every photo I've ever taken in full resolution is on my phone, even though I only have 128 gigs of storage.

Joe Rogan 45:29 Now, when you use the Google version of like, whatever iPhoto is, iPhoto uploads everything to the cloud, it's really simple. When you get a new phone, everything loads up to it. Does the same thing happen with Google?

Marques Brownlee 45:41 Same thing. Google Photos.

Joe Rogan 45:42 Basically just as good?

Marques Brownlee 45:43 Yeah. And you can use it on an iPhone, which is, you don't have to, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:45 Really?

Marques Brownlee 45:46 Google Photos, I have Google Photos on my iPhone. So every time I take great photos on this phone, they're on my iPhone already.

Joe Rogan 45:51 Oh, that is actually nice.

Marques Brownlee 45:53 So having the app is pretty useful.

Joe Rogan 45:55 That's nice.

Marques Brownlee 45:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:56 And I know there's a thing that's one of the things that people really love about iPhones is that AirDrop feature. That's very nice.

Marques Brownlee 46:02 Yeah. That's one of the best (laughs) Apple-

Joe Rogan 46:05 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 46:05 ... only features. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:07 Yeah. But don't they have an Android? There's an Android Drop too now. I know that because I've used it-

Marques Brownlee 46:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 46:13 ... to send things from my Samsung phone to my Apple phone.

Marques Brownlee 46:17 Um, possibly. So there's, it's not like a, a first party thing. So NFC is useful when I want to send something between two Android phones that have NFC. But this is something I recently, I wasn't really using AirDrop until recently. And then I was like, oh wait, I do have a Mac and an iPhone. I can just trans- transfer files back and forth. And I, we started doing that in the office a lot, which we, uh, we have a bunch of Macs and iPhones in the office. So we started like passing files back and forth. And then one day I was trying to do it on my Android phone, I was like, wow, this is like a bummer. I have to go into like Dropbox and upload it and then download it. And it would, just those couple extra steps were a pain.

Joe Rogan 46:55 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 46:55 And it made me really appreciate how good AirDrop is, but-

Joe Rogan 46:58 AirDrop's pretty good.

Marques Brownlee 46:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:59 Apple's really good at making things super simple.

Marques Brownlee 47:02 Yep.

Joe Rogan 47:02 Like, you don't, you don't ever really have to update things un- until the OS updates, and it's pretty rare.

Marques Brownlee 47:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:09 Everything works really good. You don't really even worry about, uh, f- viruses or anything like that.

Marques Brownlee 47:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:15 There's a lot they do that's really excellent.

Marques Brownlee 47:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:19 But I feel like they're running on the momentum of Steve Jobs' maniacal vision (laughs) . You know?

Marques Brownlee 47:26 (laughs) Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:28 Don't you kind of?

Marques Brownlee 47:29 Yeah, they, there's been a lot of, uh, Apple's changed or Apple's not the same since, since no more Steve. Which is true-

Joe Rogan 47:36 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 47:36 ... obviously. Uh, but they're also like, their momentum, like, how can you not?

Joe Rogan 47:42 Right.

Marques Brownlee 47:42 Like, they're insane. They, they're a trillion dollar company now. They continue to make iPhones that look the same that they did nine years ago. Like, why not-

Joe Rogan 47:51 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 47:51 ... you know? And if people keep buying them, of course, they'll probably never have a reason to change a lot of those things.

Joe Rogan 47:55 It's just a different kind of company now before ... I mean, he was like gen- generally regarded as an asshole. Like, just a crazy-

Marques Brownlee 48:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:04 ... whip cracking-

Marques Brownlee 48:05 Micromanaging.

Joe Rogan 48:06 ... you know, yeah. Just, just a nut. Like, there's that famous thing of him trying to use, I forget what the device was, but it wasn't us- it wasn't working during one of his-

Marques Brownlee 48:15 Oh, on stage.

Joe Rogan 48:15 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 48:15 I remember that live.

Joe Rogan 48:16 And he threw it.

Marques Brownlee 48:17 Yeah, he's like, it, it was casual, but it was hilarious. It was like-

Joe Rogan 48:20 But it was, there was anger to it though.

Marques Brownlee 48:21 Well, 'cause someone definitely got fired like within minutes of that happening.

Joe Rogan 48:24 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 48:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:25 He's like-

Marques Brownlee 48:25 And that's happened on stage. Like, things mess up on stage. Like-

Joe Rogan 48:29 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 48:29 ... it's gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 48:30 All the time.

Marques Brownlee 48:30 Uh, a couple years ago there was a, an Apple event where s- I'm pretty sure Steve was on stage trying to get something to work, like in a demo. And if you've ever been or seen like an Apple event, like the entire audience-

Joe Rogan 48:43 Here it is.

Marques Brownlee 48:43 ... or half of it, half of the audience is just people typing, like blogging like exactly what's going on. So they're all connected to the internet, they're live blogging. Yeah. So Steve is like, "Get me one that works."

Joe Rogan 48:55 But what, but what, look at his face. This is the thing, like back that up a little bit and give me some volume. Look at this.

Jamie Vernon 49:03 It's not turning on. Here.

Marques Brownlee 49:06 Here, take that.

Jamie Vernon 49:07 Oh. Okay.... we'll let an expert see if he can turn it on.

Marques Brownlee 49:12 Got it.

Joe Rogan 49:12 "We'll let an expert see if he can turn it on."

Marques Brownlee 49:14 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:15 There's like, there's an anger-

Marques Brownlee 49:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:17 ... that we all know. He was like, "You motherfuckers!"

Marques Brownlee 49:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:19 "How was that my speech?"

Marques Brownlee 49:21 After the, the show, he was definitely doing that.

Joe Rogan 49:22 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 49:23 Yeah. So there's another event-

Marques Brownlee 49:24 Where like, something wasn't working and he's like, "I need everyone in this room to turn your wifi off so that this will work." Everyone-

Joe Rogan 49:30 Whoa.

Marques Brownlee 49:30 "I need everyone to stop blogging, close your laptops, get off the wifi, and then this will work." And it was kind of like a, a couple minutes of like, "Ha ha, that's funny. Maybe is he serious?" And like, slowly like, everyone did close their ... He was like, "E- e- everyone, everyone get off the wifi. Everyone close your computers right now, and this is gonna work."

Joe Rogan 49:49 What was the issue?

Marques Brownlee 49:50 And he did it. I don't remember exactly. It was, it was, must've been some wireless related, getting something to load or work. But that was pretty hilarious to me.

Joe Rogan 49:57 I feel like if you want things to operate at the speed of Apple when he was alive, you kinda have to be a fucking crazy asshole. (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 50:03 Yeah. You have to have that next level... First of all, you need a vision of what you want it to be.

Joe Rogan 50:08 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 50:09 And then you need to be insane enough to try to get people to do that.

Joe Rogan 50:12 Well, he also was ... Uh, uh, according to ... Is this it right here?

Marques Brownlee 50:15 Yeah. Oh, Safari demo. Yeah, that makes sense.

Jamie Vernon 50:18 Oh, sorry guys. I, uh, I don't know what's going on. Oh, you're- (laughs) Woo! (laughs) It's a four-minute video, but this is- Oh. Yeah, so his failing to load the website-

Joe Rogan 50:34 So, everyone's using the local wifi.

Marques Brownlee 50:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:36 And the wifi is just getting taxed.

Marques Brownlee 50:38 The event wifi is getting crushed.

Joe Rogan 50:43 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 50:43 Verizon. (laughs) Verizon.

Joe Rogan 50:43 Someone said Verizon. (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 50:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:46 Yeah, fuck AT&T.

Marques Brownlee 50:48 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 50:49 That, that didn't sound right, sorry.

Joe Rogan 50:52 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 50:52 Or, yeah, he was just having wifi issues at that ... Let me see if I can find the moment where he said it.

Jamie Vernon 50:56 That doesn't mean you can find the mistake.

Joe Rogan 50:56 Mm.

Jamie Vernon 50:57 Ops, uh, we're actually on wifi here, so all right. (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 51:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:01 20 minutes later.

Marques Brownlee 51:02 Jeez.

Jamie Vernon 51:03 Now, before I begin number six, I, uh, our guys have been running around like crazy backstage, as you might imagine. (laughs) And we figured out why, um, my demo crashed.

Marques Brownlee 51:15 Why did it crash?

Jamie Vernon 51:15 Because there are 570 wifi base stations operating in this room. (laughs) Okay? We can't deal with that. So we have two choices. Either I've got some more demos that are really great that I'd like to show you. So we either turn off all the stuff and see the demos, or we give up and I don't show you the demos. Would you like to see the demos or not? Woo! (clapping) Okay. So every-

Marques Brownlee 51:42 I'm thinking everyone's hoping he'll just like try again, and they don't have to turn it off.

Joe Rogan 51:46 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 51:46 Several hundred of these, of these Mi-Fi things too, by the way. (laughs) So all you bloggers need to turn off your base stations, turn off your wifi. Every notebook, I'd like them to put, put them down on the floor, and all of you look around-

Marques Brownlee 51:58 Put them down on the floor.

Jamie Vernon 51:58 ... I'd like you to police each other. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:00 Police them?

Marques Brownlee 52:01 Look at the ... And the whole crowd is ... Everyone-

Jamie Vernon 52:02 Turn off your laptops.

Marques Brownlee 52:02 The only reason they're there is to live blog.

Jamie Vernon 52:05 Turn off those wifi base stations and put them on the floor please.

Marques Brownlee 52:09 It's like, all right, one last tweet because Steve's telling me to turn the wifi off. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 52:13 (clapping) Woo! Hey, Johnny.

Marques Brownlee 52:16 He goes for FaceTime.

Joe Rogan 52:19 Now, that's another thing. Like, FaceTime is another proprietary thing that Apple has.

Marques Brownlee 52:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:23 It's really excellent.

Marques Brownlee 52:24 Yep.

Joe Rogan 52:24 And it's built into the contacts.

Marques Brownlee 52:26 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 52:26 It works perfectly.

Marques Brownlee 52:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:28 You know, just everyone with an iPhone, you can do it with them. Just pa-pow.

Marques Brownlee 52:32 I would ... Like, that's a massive ... That and iMessage are like two of the biggest reasons people refuse to even try an Android phone.

Joe Rogan 52:40 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 52:40 So I'm like, "All right. Well, clearly Google's mission should be to get iMessage on Android, right?"

Joe Rogan 52:46 Right.

Marques Brownlee 52:46 Like, that should be like a ... And Apple will never let that happen.

Joe Rogan 52:50 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 52:51 They know that they can hold people hostage on iOS as long as they want.

Joe Rogan 52:55 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 52:55 If they can't get iMessage anywhere else.

Joe Rogan 52:58 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 52:58 And FaceTime and things like that.

Joe Rogan 52:59 iMessage, FaceTime, Airdrop, walled garden.

Marques Brownlee 53:03 Yep. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Wonderful walled garden of Apple-

Marques Brownlee 53:05 We have a whole video about this.

Joe Rogan 53:07 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 53:07 The whole ecosystem-

Joe Rogan 53:09 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 53:09 ... it's, uh, it's real. It's a real major advantage.

Joe Rogan 53:12 Yeah. It really is. And they've got that nailed. They really do.

Marques Brownlee 53:17 Google's tried to make their own versions of these things too.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Well, just like they tried to do Google Plus, and everybody was like-

Marques Brownlee 53:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:24 ... "Yeah, good luck with that." I have a friend who was an executive at Google who was hilarious.

Marques Brownlee 53:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:27 She was always telling me how great Google Plus is. I'm like, "That shit's dead in the water." (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 53:31 That's ... The thing is Google Plus, Google Plus, even though only like nine people used it, it was great.

Joe Rogan 53:37 I'm sure.

Marques Brownlee 53:37 It was really good. Like, all the things that they let you do that I, I wish Facebook would let us do of like-

Joe Rogan 53:42 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 53:42 ... sharing with certain groups of people and like all these different things with Circles. It was kind of a shit show with like how they did it, but it's good.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Right.

Marques Brownlee 53:49 Like, it was good. Anyway, so it's gonna die now and that's kinda sad.

Joe Rogan 53:53 Is it?

Marques Brownlee 53:53 It is finally gonna die.

Joe Rogan 53:53 Are they killing it?

Marques Brownlee 53:54 Yeah, yeah. They had this, this whole security breach thing, uh, which is also a weird story. But then eventually they were like, "You know what? We're shutting it down."

Joe Rogan 54:02 Really?

Marques Brownlee 54:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:03 I wanna call my friend up and go, "Ha ha."

Marques Brownlee 54:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:05 "Told you." (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 54:06 So it's gonna be, it's gonna be finally no more Google Plus, but like, Google keeps trying to do this ... They keep calling it like a universal message service. And everyone's like, "Oh, iMessage for Android, you're gonna make your own. Great." And they make a Allo, Duo, Hangouts me- ... Like, they have all these half, halfway there things that kind of tie into Android-

Joe Rogan 54:30 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 54:30 ... and are sort of like FaceTime and iMessage, but not really. Uh, and it's just not well done and it's not convincing anyone.

Joe Rogan 54:38 You know, I know there's been some third-party attempts to figure out how to put iMessage on Android phones.

Marques Brownlee 54:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:44 And that you, you can get like some sort of an app that allow you to use iMessage, different-

Marques Brownlee 54:49 It's probably really clunky and forward-y.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 54:52 Yeah. I haven't tried that.

Joe Rogan 54:54 I haven't either.

Marques Brownlee 54:54 I imagine it's horrible. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:56 Yeah, I have the Note 9, like I said, and I was thinking about switching over to it and I was like, "Oh, I'll use this pen." I never used that pen once.

Marques Brownlee 55:03 Yeah. That's, that's the thing.

Joe Rogan 55:05 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 55:05 I, as a reviewer, I'm always trying to figure out what is a real, genuine, use-it-every-day feature that's worth paying extra for, and what is a-... cool demo feature that'll get you to brag about the phone and show your friends, but you'll never use it.

Joe Rogan 55:19 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 55:20 And I've always been split on the S Pen. Is that a thing people really use all the time? And I've been, like kind of somewhat convinced there's people who are like, "Yeah, I use the S Pen every day. I take notes on my phone. I use that app." And I'm like, "Ah, I try, I try." I had this- this little point where I was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna do lock screen notes. Every time I wanna remember something, I'm gonna write it down." And I just never got into it. So like, I'm usually pretty good about like dividing things into buckets of like, "Yes, this is something we will use and is worth paying. This is dumb, but it's really cool to demo and it will just sell people and they'll never use it again." Those two buckets are very clear. The S Pen has always been in the middle for me.

Joe Rogan 55:59 The lock screen thing is weird too, because it doesn't work that smooth. The lock screen notes-

Marques Brownlee 56:04 It's gotten better.

Joe Rogan 56:04 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 56:05 Like-

Joe Rogan 56:05 It's a little clunky. And then you don't just get it right there. It saves it to Notes.

Marques Brownlee 56:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:10 So you have to go to Notes to get it.

Marques Brownlee 56:11 And then you have to go to the Notes app.

Joe Rogan 56:12 Yeah, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 56:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:13 Well, I, what I, my thought was, "I'm gonna use this and I'm gonna put my set list-"

Marques Brownlee 56:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:18 "... on my phone and that way, anytime I go to the lock screen, the Note set list would be there. I'd just be able to scroll through my set list when I go on stage."

Marques Brownlee 56:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:26 But it doesn't work like that.

Marques Brownlee 56:27 But it's not there.

Joe Rogan 56:27 No, I gotta go to Notes.

Marques Brownlee 56:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:29 I'm like, "Well, what is this then?"

Marques Brownlee 56:30 Yeah. Yeah, so it's just kind of-

Joe Rogan 56:33 Weird.

Marques Brownlee 56:33 ... halfway there.

Joe Rogan 56:34 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 56:34 But I wanna talk to someone who's like, "Yeah, I buy the Note every year 'cause I gotta have the pen." Like I- I-

Joe Rogan 56:38 There's gotta be someone out there.

Marques Brownlee 56:39 I got to... There's... Hey, that's what I think, but...

Joe Rogan 56:41 Well, one thing that is kinda cool about it that I've never used once, but kinda cool about it, is the fact that you can use that pen as a remote control.

Marques Brownlee 56:48 Yeah, that's definitely a-

Joe Rogan 56:49 Take photographs.

Marques Brownlee 56:50 ... firmly in the second bucket-

Joe Rogan 56:51 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 56:52 ... of like great demo.

Joe Rogan 56:53 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 56:53 "Look, I'm halfway across the room taking a selfie. That's cool, right?"

Joe Rogan 56:56 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 56:56 Yeah, and then you'll never use that.

Joe Rogan 56:57 Never use it.

Marques Brownlee 56:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:58 And then also using it as a remote control for music.

Marques Brownlee 57:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:01 And for video.

Marques Brownlee 57:02 You can map it to all kinds of crazy things.

Joe Rogan 57:04 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 57:04 It's actually a really well thought out feature.

Joe Rogan 57:06 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 57:06 Like it's Bluetooth and the S Pen has its own battery now.

Joe Rogan 57:09 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 57:09 So you put the battery in the phone and it charges the stylus very quickly. In a couple seconds, you get like half a battery. Like it's really well thought out.

Joe Rogan 57:18 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 57:18 But am I ever gonna use that?

Joe Rogan 57:21 Probably not.

Marques Brownlee 57:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:22 The battery is huge too. It's got a 4,000 milliamp battery as opposed to the iPhone which is what? 33?

Marques Brownlee 57:28 Even the big ones are like 31 or 3200.

Joe Rogan 57:30 Is that, that low?

Marques Brownlee 57:32 Yeah. But I mean like iPhones have never needed the- the number on paper to be big to be well optimized.

Joe Rogan 57:37 'Cause of software.

Marques Brownlee 57:38 Yeah, software.

Joe Rogan 57:38 But they've done tests where they did benchmark tests between the Note and the iPhone X. What is it? Max?

Marques Brownlee 57:45 The XS Max.

Joe Rogan 57:45 How do you say it? XS Max.

Marques Brownlee 57:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:48 Um, it's not... The- the- the- the Note crushes it.

Marques Brownlee 57:51 Yeah. Yeah, no, Samsung's getting better with optimization too.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 57:54 Which is awesome that they crush it. They, they used to be kinda scared of batteries in the Notes for obvious reasons.

Joe Rogan 57:59 Yeah, I wonder why. (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 58:00 So, but they've finally gotten better at that and they're, they're doing really well with it.

Joe Rogan 58:03 It's amazing that they bounced back from that at all.

Marques Brownlee 58:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:05 'Cause people fucking died, didn't they?

Marques Brownlee 58:07 That's insane. Uh, I don't think anyone died.

Joe Rogan 58:09 Well some, one guy, I don't know what happened to him, but there was a famous guy who was a tech guy who died because his battery exploded in his house caught on fire and he died in the fire.

Marques Brownlee 58:19 Really?

Joe Rogan 58:20 I don't know what phone he was using though.

Marques Brownlee 58:22 Wow.

Joe Rogan 58:22 He was some, some, I wanna say he was-

Marques Brownlee 58:24 I don't think it was the Note.

Joe Rogan 58:25 ... cryptocurrency guy. No-

Marques Brownlee 58:27 I follow the Note pretty closely 'cause I was, I had a couple of them just 'cause like I was in the middle of reviewing it and using it.

Joe Rogan 58:33 Right.

Marques Brownlee 58:33 I carried one every day. Starts getting banned, starts getting caught on fire. You can't fly with it. Like I followed that all very closely and all the- the cases of... 'Cause it started off with not only were the Note 7s starting to explode, but they started recalling them and sending people replacements, and then the replacements started to explode.

Joe Rogan 58:52 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 58:52 At that point, I was like, "This is amazing. I need to follow this very closely." Uh-

Jamie Vernon 58:58 He had a, uh, BlackBerry and a Huawei and they don't know which one exploded.

Joe Rogan 59:01 Probably the Huawei.

Marques Brownlee 59:02 Wow.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Probably was a s- assassination.

Marques Brownlee 59:04 I've never... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:06 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 59:06 That's a weird-

Jamie Vernon 59:06 He actually was a CEO. He's a Cradle Fund CEO, Nasrin Hasan.

Joe Rogan 59:11 Hmm. Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 59:12 And it caught his whole house on fire.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Yeah, he died after a smartphone explosion catches fire in his bedroom.

Marques Brownlee 59:17 That is really extreme.

Joe Rogan 59:18 Damn, that's crazy.

Marques Brownlee 59:19 Yeah. Yeah, so that's-

Joe Rogan 59:20 It's a fucked up way to go.

Marques Brownlee 59:21 They can't mess around. So like when, that's, when your phone starts exploding and you're Samsung-

Joe Rogan 59:24 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 59:24 ... like you have to get, you have to fix that.

Joe Rogan 59:26 There was a famous video of the guy who parked his car in the driveway and put his phone in the charger and left it there, and he came outside to his car bursting into flames.

Marques Brownlee 59:36 What?

Joe Rogan 59:36 His whole car was on fire. (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 59:38 Oh my God. (laughs) That's horrible, especially in a gas car with literal flammable liquids in it.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Yeah. Right.

Marques Brownlee 59:44 Wow.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Luckily it wasn't in his garage.

Marques Brownlee 59:46 Geez.

Joe Rogan 59:46 It was in his driveway.

Marques Brownlee 59:48 That is nuts.

Joe Rogan 59:49 Fuck. Yeah, it's amazing they've bounced back from that though 'cause they really have.

Marques Brownlee 59:53 Yeah, yeah. They're, actually that's- that's been impressive of their reputation. So like in the reviewer community of like, I watch all my friends' videos about the Note when it came out. We stopped making explosion jokes this year. I noticed that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Ah.

Marques Brownlee 1:00:04 Like we, the Galaxy Note 7 had all the explosion jokes. Note 8 came out, all the explosion jokes. That last year it exploded, guys.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 Right.

Marques Brownlee 1:00:11 So what have they done this year that's better? Now we're on Note 9 and I think we're kinda over it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 Mm-hmm. Good.

Marques Brownlee 1:00:17 Two years, that's all long it takes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Well, that's today though. I mean-

Marques Brownlee 1:00:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 ... the- the- the short cycle of news today. Like things come and go so quickly.

Marques Brownlee 1:00:25 But I wonder if that would've happened to an iPhone.

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:00:28 What kind of nightmare that would've been.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 I wonder.

Marques Brownlee 1:00:31 I also think there's probably no way it would've happened to an iPhone. Like you would think there's no way it would happen to Samsung but somehow it did, but like there's this whole process of like getting a battery supplier for your phone, and then there's trusting their quality testing, and then using that supplier for your manufacturing and all that. Um, and I don't know how different that process is for Samsung versus other manufacturers like Apple, but it just seems like Apple would never let that sort of oversight slip.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Right. Hmm. I wonder.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:00 But if it did, how crazy would that have happened?

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Well, Samsung comes out with new phones way quicker. Right?

Marques Brownlee 1:01:05 They... So they come out with phones more often but they update their lineups at the same rate, like once a year for Note.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:13 And also once a year for Galaxy S.... but since they're six months apart, it looks like they made four new phones. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 Right. I see.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:20 So we're gonna get a new phone every April. Galaxy S10 will come out in April.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:25 And then they'll get Galaxy Note in, uh, September.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 Right.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:28 It's like, "Well, that's only six months." Well, that's part of a different lineup. So like Galaxy S is every year, Galaxy Note is every year. They have all these other lineups. So they-

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:35 ... they did make a lot more phones, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 And are they still doing the Sport? 'Cause they had that Sport model.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:40 The Active.

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:41 Uh, I think they are still. It's not nearly as special seeming to them as it used to be. They used to really, like, put out separate commercials for it and they, they'd have, like, all this hype. I remember, like, Galaxy S7 Active was a big deal.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:54 I don't even know if there is a Galaxy S9 Active.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 I don't believe there is.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:58 There might not be.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 It was a rumor that it was coming out and that it was gonna be completely waterproof and shock resistant. It was gonna have a rubberized case.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 And it was going to have an enormous battery life that they-

Marques Brownlee 1:02:08 But they didn't.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 ... they haven't released it.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:09 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 The 9 was gonna have the same size battery as the, uh, Note 9, but the regular size 9 screen.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:18 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 So 4,000 milliamp battery, but in the S9 screen.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Which would've been massive.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 I mean, that's just ... That would've been incredible.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:27 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 You know?

Marques Brownlee 1:02:27 I guess people just didn't buy it as much.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 Yeah, I don't think people knew about it. I think it's one of those deals.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 I love battery life. I'm always scared that my phone's gonna run outta battery. I know it's ridiculous, 'cause it very rarely does, but I'm always like, "Fuck, what if it runs outta battery?"

Marques Brownlee 1:02:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 When I hear about like the iPhone's battery not being so good, I ... Like, I've heard that the, the XS regular has better battery life than the XS Max, because the Max has the larger screen.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:58 I think the ... I think they're about the same. I think the standby time on the XS Max is better, because of the bigger battery.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:05 But when you do use your screen a lot, they kind of diminish down to the same number, I think. And then this iPhone XR, which I've just started using, seems to have a better battery life than both of them.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 This is the less expensive version.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:17 This is the $750 IPS LCD version of the iPhone X. Yeah, the colors and all that.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 Now, how much of a, a factor is that in everyday use? Do you notice a difference?

Marques Brownlee 1:03:29 The battery life?

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 Yeah. No, the, the, the image quality not being as good-

Marques Brownlee 1:03:32 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 ... with the different screen.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:33 Yeah, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 'Cause that's the only factor, right? Are the internal components the same?

Marques Brownlee 1:03:36 They are the same. Uh, it's one gig less of RAM, weirdly, but yeah, all the rest of the internals are the same.

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 So what does a standard one have, six?

Marques Brownlee 1:03:43 So four gigs of RAM in every iPhone, still.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Four?

Marques Brownlee 1:03:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:45 And then three gigs in the XR. And then, also, one camera instead of two. And then an aluminum rail on the side. I call it a rail, but the outside's aluminum instead of stainless steel. So the iPhone's got this shiny-

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:58 ... stainless steel outside. Uh, the ... Yeah, the screen is still pretty decent. I know everyone likes to trash on it 'cause it's only 828p or so. It's like a 720p screen, roughly. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 This is the R?

Marques Brownlee 1:04:12 The R. Um, but, like, using it or just looking at it, it looks fine, and-

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 Like an Apple iPhone 8.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:19 Yeah, exactly. It's the same pixel density as an iPhone 8, which is fine-

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Which is fine, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:24 ... for most people. So if you get too caught up on the number, which is not the typical iPhone XR buyer, then it's gonna look bad. But if you just look at the screen and use it, which is most people walking in a store and just saying, "Hey, this looks fine and it's $250 cheaper. I think I'll just get this one."

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:38 That's why I think the XR is gonna be a great seller for Apple.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 Yeah, it sounds like it. Now, when you switch to those battery pack cases-

Marques Brownlee 1:04:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 ... that's ... Now you have a brick in your pocket.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:49 That's huge.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 They've never really-

Marques Brownlee 1:04:51 That's a big phone already, too. So a 6.1 inch screen on that XR, and then this big battery on the back. Yeah, it's just gonna be massive.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I haven't seen any XS Max with a case that has a battery in it, but geez.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:04 I wouldn't even try.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 (laughs)

Marques Brownlee 1:05:05 It's just way too big-

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 Just wouldn't go in your pocket anymore.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 But it's great if you go on a trip somewhere-

Marques Brownlee 1:05:09 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 ... and you, you might be in some janky place that doesn't have-

Marques Brownlee 1:05:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 ... power.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:15 Yeah, or like a travel version-

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:17 ... of your, of your setup, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Yeah. And it's just big old brick case.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 What-

Marques Brownlee 1:05:23 I'm not a case person.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Yeah, you don't have any cases, huh?

Marques Brownlee 1:05:25 No, I don't do cases.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 Wow, look at you.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 But you switch phones so often, even if you drop them-

Marques Brownlee 1:05:29 That's what people always say.

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 ... that's okay though, as long as you pop a SIM card out.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:32 I still take good care of my phones. People are like, "Oh, you get a new phone every two weeks." You might be right, but I still take really good care of my phones. I actually did kind of ... Getting out of my car, this slid out of my pocket-

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 (gasps) .

Marques Brownlee 1:05:43 ... which is kind of a nightmare, and it took one bounce before I, like, sort of half-caught it. So I got this little scratch on the corner.

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 Hmm, and that's the Google phone.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:51 But ... It's the Google phone, but it's fine, so.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 I always question people that don't have cases. I'm like, "Ooh, you're one of those people."

Marques Brownlee 1:05:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 My friend, Andrew Santino, he doesn't put a case on anything. And I ... He didn't have like a good ... He, he was a more a d- a design person. He's like, "Look how beautiful this is."

Marques Brownlee 1:06:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 "Why would I put a case on this?"

Marques Brownlee 1:06:07 That's part of it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 But Neil deGrasse Tyson had a really interesting perspective. He said he takes his case and he flips it around in his hand constantly. And he said if you go to, like ... You watch, like, cadets when they're learning how to handle guns, they're spinning their gun around and catching it. He goes, "Why do you think they're doing that? They're doing that so that they're always able to catch their gun, no matter what."

Marques Brownlee 1:06:28 (laughs) Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:06:28 They have the, they have the ... So he takes his phone and he flips it around in his hand-

Marques Brownlee 1:06:33 (laughs) He does that, like, so he has it always able to-

Joe Rogan 1:06:36 ... all the time. Yes, like a cadet.

Marques Brownlee 1:06:37 That's awesome. So he's just ready.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 He says, "I don't drop my phone." And he showed me, he was, like, flipping it in between his fingers, and I go, "Oh."

Marques Brownlee 1:06:42 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 I'm like, see, but that's him. He's got this next level-

Marques Brownlee 1:06:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:47 ... thought process behind everything.

Marques Brownlee 1:06:49 That's fair.

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 Even not having a case on his phone.

Marques Brownlee 1:06:50 So that means he's not a case person.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:06:52 He's always got his phone. Yeah, that's fine. I-

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 I actually like a case.