Joe Rogan Experience #1186 - Marques Brownlee

1. 0:00 – 3:07

   Marques’ review philosophy and the unusual RED Hydrogen One phone

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (clears throat) Here we go. Four, three, two, one. Boom. First of all, before we get started, I wanna say, I love your reviews.

   2. MBMarques Brownlee0:10

      Thank you.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      You are my favorite. You, you have the ... Well, you and Lou. I love Lou too, but you, you, you're so good at covering all the bases of whether it's cellphones or any kinda weird technology that's coming out, and you just, you just nail it. You just, y- you're so ... I ... You're my go-to guy, man.

   4. MBMarques Brownlee0:28

      Well, thank you. That's quite an intro.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      (laughs)

   6. MBMarques Brownlee0:30

      (laughs) I appreciate that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      I really wanna tell you, like, whenever a, a new cellphone's out ... Like, I saw that you walked in with the RED, but that's ... You're n- ... That's not your daily driver?

   8. MBMarques Brownlee0:37

      No, I thought you would like this. This is ... I mean, every phone now is-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:41

      Mm.

   10. MBMarques Brownlee0:41

       ... is glass on glass and everything.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah.

   12. MBMarques Brownlee0:43

       Uh, but this, this RED HYDROGEN One has a lot of weird stuff about it. Uh, it's ... First of all, it's about twice as big as it has to be, but it's, it's from RED, which is a camera company.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Wow, all these buttons-

   14. MBMarques Brownlee0:55

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       ... everywhere.

   16. MBMarques Brownlee0:55

       So they really get it-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Oh, this is a grip.

   18. MBMarques Brownlee0:57

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       This is not buttons. This is just a grip, this texture on the outside.

   20. MBMarques Brownlee0:59

       Rubberized side grip. You could probably drop it from 45 feet and it'd be fine.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       (laughs)

   22. MBMarques Brownlee1:03

       Throw it across the room. But the weird part is it's made by RED. So RED's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Mm-hmm.

   24. MBMarques Brownlee1:07

       ... a camera company. They're, they ... I use their cameras. I love their cameras. But then they come out with this, which is a phone, which is kinda weird. But-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       There it is right there on the screen.

   26. MBMarques Brownlee1:14

       ... they do ... Yeah, that's my photo actually. So-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Ah.

   28. MBMarques Brownlee1:16

       That's next to the, the iPhone 8 Plus, which is already a huge phone and it's much bigger.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       What is this, um, metal thing on the back, the brass-looking with dots?

   30. MBMarques Brownlee1:22

       So it's got these pins, and it's supposed to next year support modules that will connect to it. So potentially-
2. 3:07 – 5:30

   RED cinema cameras, modular rigs, and the ‘phone that becomes a RED’ idea

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:07

      Oh, you, you do all your YouTube videos with it?

   2. MBMarques Brownlee3:09

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:09

      Is it really that good for you? I mean, is it worth having a RED ca- ... It's a large camera, right? It's heavy.

   4. MBMarques Brownlee3:15

      Yeah, it started off not that great, and then I got used to it, and then they got better. So it was probably like five years ago that I first started with a RED, a RED Scarlet, this 4K, 5K camera, and yeah, it's kind of a pain. Uh, but the workflow has gotten better. They've worked with, uh, smaller teams, like individual creators even, to get the cameras now smaller. It does more in, in a smaller body. So it's gotten a lot easier to use a RED for a small team, whereas like, yeah, five years ago, they were making a RED for a movie shoot with 15 people using it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:49

      Yeah.

   6. MBMarques Brownlee3:50

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:50

      So how much do they weigh now?

   8. MBMarques Brownlee3:52

      Uh, I couldn't tell you a weight. I'd say probably between six and 10 pounds depending-

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:57

      Oh, it's not bad at all.

   10. MBMarques Brownlee3:58

       ... on what you ... Yeah, 'cause you ... It's completely modular. You rig it up to be what you want. So like, you get that out the box, which is just the brain essentially.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:04

       What we're looking at, for people just listening, it says RED Dragon on the side. Why does it call itself RED Dragon? (laughs)

   12. MBMarques Brownlee4:10

       It's got some names, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       It's pretty clutch-looking.

   14. MBMarques Brownlee4:13

       Uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:13

       It looks like a, it looks really like a computer, like a-

   16. MBMarques Brownlee4:16

       Yeah, so that's what, that's what you're looking at is just the computer and the sensor.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       Oh.

   18. MBMarques Brownlee4:19

       And that side piece right there is the SSD reader. Everything else, all those pins you see on the top and on the side, that's where you connect what you want to make it, uh-

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       Oh.

   20. MBMarques Brownlee4:28

       ... the rig. So if you were doing this eight years ago, you would attach a viewfinder, you would attach a couple monitors for directors, you would attach, uh, controls, more ... Yeah, all this. Follow focus, all this, the lens obviously, the mount. All this stuff has to attach to it. But for just me and my use, I'd use it more kinda like what you might see in another image, which is just a monitor, an SSD, a controller, and a lens. And that does everything.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       So is the idea eventually that this phone is going to be able to do everything that that does?

   22. MBMarques Brownlee4:59

       So that, I think if you asked RED, they would say yes, but they aren't there yet obviously.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       How could they release something and not have an amazing camera on it?

   24. MBMarques Brownlee5:11

       Yeah, that's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       That seems crazy.

   26. MBMarques Brownlee5:13

       That, that I think was what I, I think a lot of people were super hyped about 'cause obviously RED's good with not just the ... They make the silicon for the camera, but they're good at color science and autofocus and all these different things that cameras should be good at. Uh, so when they come out with a phone that has a camera on it, you just kind of expect it to be amazing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       Yeah.

3. 5:30 – 8:48

   Pixel 3 as the best phone camera: computational photography and Night Sight

   1. MBMarques Brownlee5:30

      So when it's not the best, I kinda firmly believe this is the best camera.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:33

      And you have the- that's the Google Pixels 3.

   3. MBMarques Brownlee5:35

      This Pixel 3, yeah, is the best camera in a phone.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:38

      Are you a Google Pixel fanboy?

   5. MBMarques Brownlee5:39

      At this point, I'm a fan, I'm a fan of the camera-

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:42

      Right.

   7. MBMarques Brownlee5:42

      ... which has turned me into a fan of the r- the rest of the phone.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:45

      Just the camera alone. It's a- it's an unusual camera in that it only has one lens.

   9. MBMarques Brownlee5:48

      One camera, yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:49

       Yeah. There's one camera, where everybody else is going with multiple cameras.

   11. MBMarques Brownlee5:53

       Two, three, four, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:54

       Google's doing everything with software.

   13. MBMarques Brownlee5:56

       Yes, and I like that about it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:58

       Now is that the XL?

   15. MBMarques Brownlee6:00

       That's the XL.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:01

       ... it seem, it doesn't s- seem that big.

   17. MBMarques Brownlee6:03

       It's kind of not that insane. I think-

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:05

       Can I see?

   19. MBMarques Brownlee6:05

       ... everyone's, everyone's into the, the notch obviously-

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:07

       Yeah.

   21. MBMarques Brownlee6:07

       ... which is a little different from what you might see in a, an iPhone or a Huawei phone or something. Um, but the software is very Google-y. The screen is much better than last year. It's glass. It wireless charges.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       Hmm.

   23. MBMarques Brownlee6:19

       It's got all these things that last year's phone didn't have. But the camera is absolutely what makes that phone good.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       It's really that much better?

   25. MBMarques Brownlee6:26

       It is that much better.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       What is so good about it?

   27. MBMarques Brownlee6:28

       Uh, it's, like you said, it's the software, so what Google-

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Oh.

   29. MBMarques Brownlee6:32

       ... does with HDR and essentially their image processing is a big part of why it's good. You could put the same sensor and glass in another smartphone with way weaker software and it wouldn't look as good. Um, but what they do with that, that image processing af- it's, it's a rolling buffer of images so you can take, uh... it's like instant shutter, so as soon as you press the shutter, it's instant shutter. Uh, you freeze the motion, the dynamic range is great, the detail is great, and it's just, photos are amazing from it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       I was amazed at the low light photos.
4. 8:48 – 11:37

   RAM, multitasking, and what specs actually matter in daily use

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:48

      I have a, uh, a Note9, which I really like. And one of the other things about Google, this does not have a lot of RAM.

   2. MBMarques Brownlee8:56

      No. I found that actually kind of a, an interesting weak point about this phone. And I haven't even... I've reviewed it, and I was kind of skeptical about it's only, only four gigs of RAM-

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:05

      Mm-hmm.

   4. MBMarques Brownlee9:06

      ... which is like a couple years ago, "Wow, four gigs of RAM in a phone, that's amazing."

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:09

      That's amazing.

   6. MBMarques Brownlee9:09

      But, uh, a lot of phones coming out now have six, eight gigs of RAM.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:13

      Who, who has the most right now?

   8. MBMarques Brownlee9:14

      Uh, a phone just, a gaming phone just came out with 10 gigs of RAM.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:17

      Is it the Razer phone or a different one?

   10. MBMarques Brownlee9:18

       No, another one. I don't even remember the name. But then there's also a Oppo Find X with 10 gigs of RAM. But, you know...

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       Do you need that?

   12. MBMarques Brownlee9:24

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:25

       No.

   14. MBMarques Brownlee9:25

       You don't, you don't need it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:26

       What would, what would be the benefit of having 10 gigs of RAM? Like what software would run?

   16. MBMarques Brownlee9:30

       Basically, the advantage to having more RAM is keeping apps open and running in the background longer.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:36

       Mm-hmm.

   18. MBMarques Brownlee9:36

       So if you have your camera and your Twitter and your Instagram and your web browser and all that, a lot of high... maybe a couple games all running at the same time, and then you multitask and switch between them, on a phone with less RAM, you'll find that you'll switch from the game to the browser and you go back to the browser and it reloads everything 'cause it w- it completely garbaged that from the memory after a while 'cause it was trying to save space. So on a phone with four gigs of RAM, this happened to me a couple times where I'd be listening to music and I'd open the camera and I'd take a few photos and then the music or the podcast or whatever would just stop and it killed that app in the background with only four gigs of RAM.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:12

       Hmm.

   20. MBMarques Brownlee10:12

       I'm, I'm not doing that crazy things with multitasking.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       Just two things running?

   22. MBMarques Brownlee10:16

       Just two. I think it might've been a bug because the camera uses a lot of memory, and for whatever reason, it just picks the other big memory app and kills it. Uh, it's not very repeatable. I've had it happen to me since I landed yesterday, like, a couple times. But it... I think a phone with six or eight gigs of RAM... The, the last phone I was using for a while was the OnePlus 6, has eight gigs of RAM, and that never happened to me. Every time I'd multitask and go back five, 10 apps ago and open it, it was right where I left off.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       Is the Google Pixel 3 your favorite phone or is it just your favorite phone because of the camera?

   24. MBMarques Brownlee10:51

       It is my favorite phone period, and it also has the best camera.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       And is it your favorite phone because it has pure Google 'cause you have the-

   26. MBMarques Brownlee11:01

       There's a bu- there's a lot of things.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:02

       ... latest Android?

   28. MBMarques Brownlee11:02

       It's the latest Android, which is kinda hard to find. And then you get obviously this pure Google experience and this amazing camera and a great display. And my priorities in a phone are pretty much along those lines. I need a great camera, and then I want a great display. I want good software, and then the rest kinda follows.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       And you want pure Google, right? You don't wanna be operating under the Samsung skin or-

   30. MBMarques Brownlee11:22

       I don't mind, I don't mind a skin if it's good. Uh, there's a lot of skins. Like OnePlus has Oxygen OS-
5. 11:37 – 15:01

   Android updates, carrier bottlenecks, and why ‘pure Google’ is appealing

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:37

      Is OnePlus running the latest Android?

   2. MBMarques Brownlee11:39

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:39

      No. Who is? It's Essential Phone?

   4. MBMarques Brownlee11:42

      Uh, so OnePlus I think just got the Android P update. Essential just got the Android P update. And then everyone else is on, like one version ago or o- or older.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:53

      Hmm. And why, why is that a pain in the ass for them? Why can't it be universal?

   6. MBMarques Brownlee11:57

      I have a bunch of theories on why they don't update their software as quickly as they probably could. I think a lot of it in the US especially has to do with carriers.... when you have to get a s- when you wanna push a software update to a phone on Verizon, for example, not only do you have to, like, rewrite the software and optimize and everything, but then you have to submit it for ex- like, certification from Verizon. Verizon has to push that update. That whole introduction of the third party through the carrier is a huge pain in the ass. And then, on top of that, I know a lot of people who, when they get a software update, like, actively avoid installing it. They just don't want change in their phone.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:35

      Hmm.

   8. MBMarques Brownlee12:36

      So, at the end of the day, like, they put all that money and work into making a software update, and half the people never install it or don't care. Then they just figure they might as well not put the money there. So, a lot of teams ... or a lot of manufacturers just don't. They don't. They, they support the phone for a year or two, and then that's it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:55

      But for folks like you, for the power users, that's big.

   10. MBMarques Brownlee12:58

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:58

       Like, that's a big thing, having the latest and greatest.

   12. MBMarques Brownlee13:00

       Definitely, yeah. That's why I'm a fan of phones that keep the skin light and update quickly, which is what you'll find with, like, Pixel and Essential and Oxygen OS and stuff like that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:10

       And that's really it. Like, Samsung takes a long time to get to it.

   14. MBMarques Brownlee13:13

       Yeah, yeah. As great as Samsung phones are, they definitely are not first to get new software.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:18

       They're trying to do it quicker, apparently, what I've been reading. But I guess there is, there is a bunch of issues.

   16. MBMarques Brownlee13:24

       Always a bottleneck.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:25

       Yeah.

   18. MBMarques Brownlee13:26

       You know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:26

       Now, when, when you compare phones, like, do you have a checklist of things that you have, like, on a computer, or is it just all off the top of your head? Like, do you, do you have, like, a rating system that you use? A personal rating system?

   20. MBMarques Brownlee13:40

       I don't have a rating ... I do have a, like, a s- like a checklist of things that I definitely pay attention to every time, that I must ... They ... I go through screens, displays, and battery life, and-

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:50

       Mm-hmm.

   22. MBMarques Brownlee13:51

       ... how good the camera is and things like that. But I never come to, like, a rating out of whatever. I used to do that a long time ago, but I stopped 'cause I just f- it's kind of, like, a never-ending ... You'll never, you'll never get a 10 out of 10, basically.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:04

       Right.

   24. MBMarques Brownlee14:04

       'Cause if you ever give something a 10 out of 10, the next one's gonna be better, right? So, how do you, how do you put that on the scale? So, I just don't do numbers.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       10 out of 10 for October 2018? Can you say that?

   26. MBMarques Brownlee14:14

       Yeah, I guess you c- uh, you'd be like, "This is the best phone." Like I said, if I say this is the best phone right now, then maybe that's a ... it's not a 10 out of 10, but it's, like, the best you can get. But that, that line just keeps moving. So, I don't give things numbers, but ...

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       See, for me, the- those- the things that you said that would be a pain in the ass, that your music would shut off because you're using the camera, that's-

   28. MBMarques Brownlee14:31

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:31

       ... kinda big to me.

   30. MBMarques Brownlee14:32

       That's a pain in the ass, yeah.
6. 15:01 – 19:02

   Apple controversies and design tradeoffs: battery throttling and bad keyboards

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      But I'm so sour on Apple because of what they did with the batteries.

   2. MBMarques Brownlee15:06

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      That was such a dirty thing to me because everybody had always suspected. Like, my friend Bryan was always like, "Dude, I'm telling you, when the new phones come out, your old phone starts moving slower." I'm like-

   4. MBMarques Brownlee15:17

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      ... "Dude, that's a conspiracy. That's all horse shit."

   6. MBMarques Brownlee15:19

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:19

      Like, "Your phone's just old, bro." But then, when I found out that it was real-

   8. MBMarques Brownlee15:22

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      ... I was like, "You assholes."

   10. MBMarques Brownlee15:25

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       And to pretend-

   12. MBMarques Brownlee15:26

       It's ... The problem, the problem was the way they didn't tell people. Like, they could've just, uh, avoided, like, the whole whatever, like, PR or whatever you wanna call it, by just telling people, "Look, this is what we do when your phone's getting older. We need to preserve either the CPU or the battery, so we need to either voltage down the CPU or ch- save your battery. Pick one," and give us a choice. They didn't tell us until people started suspecting things and they had to make a statement, and then it looked kinda dirty and, like, hidden. And then-

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       It does ... But I don't buy it.

   14. MBMarques Brownlee15:54

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       I think it's a trick to try to get you to buy new phones. I don't ... It-

   16. MBMarques Brownlee15:57

       There's no way they didn't think about that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       Yeah, of course they thought about it.

   18. MBMarques Brownlee16:00

       There's no chance they didn't think about that. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       Why else would they do it that way? Why wou- why else wouldn't they just let the battery be slower, or the-

   20. MBMarques Brownlee16:06

       And then-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       ... let the, the, the CPU be slower?

   22. MBMarques Brownlee16:08

       And the best part is they give you the choice now, but if you never look for it, you'll never find it. And they definitely still default to saving your battery by under-clocking a chip.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       Ugh.

   24. MBMarques Brownlee16:18

       So, your phone will still slow down if you don't know where to find that option in the settings.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       As soon as the new phones come out?

   26. MBMarques Brownlee16:24

       Basically.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       You motherfuckers.

   28. MBMarques Brownlee16:25

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       (laughs) It's just dirty.

   30. MBMarques Brownlee16:27

       It seems pretty dirty, yeah.
7. 19:02 – 52:19

   Laptop rabbit hole: Surface Laptop’s Alcantara, ThinkPad keys, and ports vs OS

   1. MBMarques Brownlee19:02

      I have tried the Blade, and I've tried... What I'm using right now is the Surface, the Microsoft Surface laptop 2, and that's got a pretty good keyboard.

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:10

      Yeah?

   3. MBMarques Brownlee19:10

      It's, travels a lot. It's back-lit, and then the actual laptop part itself is not metal. It's got, like, Alcantara, like you might see inside a car, like a soft touch on the laptop.

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:19

      Really?

   5. MBMarques Brownlee19:19

      Out of my back pack, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:20

      Oh, pull that out.

   7. MBMarques Brownlee19:21

      So kind of like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:21

      Go grab that.

   9. MBMarques Brownlee19:22

      I'll go grab that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:22

       Let's see that.

   11. MBMarques Brownlee19:22

       It's kind of-

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       Alcantara?

   13. MBMarques Brownlee19:24

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       Like fake suede? Yeah.

   15. MBMarques Brownlee19:26

       Like what you see in a car?

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:27

       Yeah.

   17. MBMarques Brownlee19:27

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:27

       That's the craziest shit I've ever heard in my life. Alcantara. Yeah, um, the Razor ... Pull up, uh, that Razor Blade Pro 2, if you get a chance. We'll look at the Surface first because he's gonna go grab that. But the Razor Blade Pro is also, it's a, an enormous laptop, and it has the ... Yeah, that's it right there. The Razor Blade Pro is so big and wide that it actually has the mouse on the side, like a track pad. This is it, huh?

   19. MBMarques Brownlee19:55

       So that's the Surface Laptop 2.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:58

       Oh, wow. How weird.

   21. MBMarques Brownlee20:00

       And the keyboard's pretty good.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       It's like a polished Alcantara. Ooh, that feels good.

   23. MBMarques Brownlee20:05

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       It does feel good.

   25. MBMarques Brownlee20:06

       The question though, whenever you see that material, is like, if I'm putting my palms on that all the time, how long will that last? Will it start to, like, thin out and look kind of worn after a while? Or will it stay looking like that?

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:18

       Mm-hmm.

   27. MBMarques Brownlee20:18

       I hope it does. And also, the whole laptop is matte black, which is, I think that looks dope, but that's also usually a fingerprint magnet.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:26

       Mm-hmm.

   29. MBMarques Brownlee20:26

       When you carry around, like, a matte black thing, you get like all this, this grease on it or whatever from carrying it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       Mm-hmm.
8. 52:19 – 54:56

   Apple ecosystem lock-in: iMessage, FaceTime, AirDrop, and why Google can’t replicate it

   1. JRJoe Rogan52:19

      Now, that's another thing. Like, FaceTime is another proprietary thing that Apple has.

   2. MBMarques Brownlee52:23

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan52:23

      It's really excellent.

   4. MBMarques Brownlee52:24

      Yep.

   5. JRJoe Rogan52:24

      And it's built into the contacts.

   6. MBMarques Brownlee52:26

      (clears throat)

   7. JRJoe Rogan52:26

      It works perfectly.

   8. MBMarques Brownlee52:27

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan52:28

      You know, just everyone with an iPhone, you can do it with them. Just pa-pow.

   10. MBMarques Brownlee52:32

       I would ... Like, that's a massive ... That and iMessage are like two of the biggest reasons people refuse to even try an Android phone.

   11. JRJoe Rogan52:40

       Mm-hmm.

   12. MBMarques Brownlee52:40

       So I'm like, "All right. Well, clearly Google's mission should be to get iMessage on Android, right?"

   13. JRJoe Rogan52:46

       Right.

   14. MBMarques Brownlee52:46

       Like, that should be like a ... And Apple will never let that happen.

   15. JRJoe Rogan52:50

       (laughs)

   16. MBMarques Brownlee52:51

       They know that they can hold people hostage on iOS as long as they want.

   17. JRJoe Rogan52:55

       Yeah.

   18. MBMarques Brownlee52:55

       If they can't get iMessage anywhere else.

   19. JRJoe Rogan52:58

       Yeah.

   20. MBMarques Brownlee52:58

       And FaceTime and things like that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan52:59

       iMessage, FaceTime, Airdrop, walled garden.

   22. MBMarques Brownlee53:03

       Yep. Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan53:04

       Wonderful walled garden of Apple-

   24. MBMarques Brownlee53:05

       We have a whole video about this.

   25. JRJoe Rogan53:07

       (laughs)

   26. MBMarques Brownlee53:07

       The whole ecosystem-

   27. JRJoe Rogan53:09

       Yeah.

   28. MBMarques Brownlee53:09

       ... it's, uh, it's real. It's a real major advantage.

   29. JRJoe Rogan53:12

       Yeah. It really is. And they've got that nailed. They really do.

   30. MBMarques Brownlee53:17

       Google's tried to make their own versions of these things too.
9. 54:56 – 1:08:26

   Feature usefulness vs gimmicks: Note’s S Pen and real-world buying behavior

   1. JRJoe Rogan54:56

      Yeah, I have the Note 9, like I said, and I was thinking about switching over to it and I was like, "Oh, I'll use this pen." I never used that pen once.

   2. MBMarques Brownlee55:03

      Yeah. That's, that's the thing.

   3. JRJoe Rogan55:05

      (laughs)

   4. MBMarques Brownlee55:05

      I, as a reviewer, I'm always trying to figure out what is a real, genuine, use-it-every-day feature that's worth paying extra for, and what is a-... cool demo feature that'll get you to brag about the phone and show your friends, but you'll never use it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan55:19

      Yeah.

   6. MBMarques Brownlee55:20

      And I've always been split on the S Pen. Is that a thing people really use all the time? And I've been, like kind of somewhat convinced there's people who are like, "Yeah, I use the S Pen every day. I take notes on my phone. I use that app." And I'm like, "Ah, I try, I try." I had this- this little point where I was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna do lock screen notes. Every time I wanna remember something, I'm gonna write it down." And I just never got into it. So like, I'm usually pretty good about like dividing things into buckets of like, "Yes, this is something we will use and is worth paying. This is dumb, but it's really cool to demo and it will just sell people and they'll never use it again." Those two buckets are very clear. The S Pen has always been in the middle for me.

   7. JRJoe Rogan55:59

      The lock screen thing is weird too, because it doesn't work that smooth. The lock screen notes-

   8. MBMarques Brownlee56:04

      It's gotten better.

   9. JRJoe Rogan56:04

      Yeah.

   10. MBMarques Brownlee56:05

       Like-

   11. JRJoe Rogan56:05

       It's a little clunky. And then you don't just get it right there. It saves it to Notes.

   12. MBMarques Brownlee56:10

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan56:10

       So you have to go to Notes to get it.

   14. MBMarques Brownlee56:11

       And then you have to go to the Notes app.

   15. JRJoe Rogan56:12

       Yeah, yeah.

   16. MBMarques Brownlee56:13

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan56:13

       Well, I, what I, my thought was, "I'm gonna use this and I'm gonna put my set list-"

   18. MBMarques Brownlee56:17

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan56:18

       "... on my phone and that way, anytime I go to the lock screen, the Note set list would be there. I'd just be able to scroll through my set list when I go on stage."

   20. MBMarques Brownlee56:25

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan56:26

       But it doesn't work like that.

   22. MBMarques Brownlee56:27

       But it's not there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan56:27

       No, I gotta go to Notes.

   24. MBMarques Brownlee56:29

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan56:29

       I'm like, "Well, what is this then?"

   26. MBMarques Brownlee56:30

       Yeah. Yeah, so it's just kind of-

   27. JRJoe Rogan56:33

       Weird.

   28. MBMarques Brownlee56:33

       ... halfway there.

   29. JRJoe Rogan56:34

       Yeah.

   30. MBMarques Brownlee56:34

       But I wanna talk to someone who's like, "Yeah, I buy the Note every year 'cause I gotta have the pen." Like I- I-

Episode duration: 2:22:26