Joe Rogan Experience #1192 - Tony Hinchcliffe

1. 0:01 – 2:02

   Sober October talk: drinking habits, quitting cigarettes, and nicotine substitutes

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      ... -on. Powerful young Tony Hinchcliffe.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe0:03

      Hello.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      I'm smelling this weed. (sniffs) In 12 hours, I'll be free.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe0:09

      I'm excited for you, dude. I didn't do shit for Sober October.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      (sighs) Did you stay drunk?

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe0:14

      Uh, I didn't stay drunk. I just had a, a drink or two pretty much every night.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Would you ever consider doing something like Sober October?

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe0:20

      I mean, like, if, you know, if I was a part of it, and, like, I got all that promotional push that everybody's giving themselves, hell yeah. For the business point, for the-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      That's the only reason why you'd do it?

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe0:30

       That's the only reason I would do it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Hm.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe0:31

       I have no reason. I'm in, I'm in, you know, I'm in perfect shape, feel good about life.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       (laughs)

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe0:36

       Every day is good. You know, I- I- I've been cutting back on things naturally. Like, I'm done with my, like, college years of, you know, getting wasted at the store and things like that. Like, it's like, you-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Well, you're also not smoking cigarettes anymore.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe0:49

       Right. I'm off cigarettes, which helps a lot, by the way. You know, I gotta say, for anybody out there that drinks and smokes, the two correlate. You quit one, it's gonna help with the other big time. S- but I mean, I'm just saying, like, cutting back on smoking, 'cause the two go so good together.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Yeah, you were finding that those pens weren't really helping you that much, huh?

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe1:09

       The nicotine pens?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Yeah.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10

       Oh, yeah, no, I loved them. Yeah, they're, they're-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       But did it help you quit?

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:13

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       'Cause you s- you were still, you were saying that it's not the same.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe1:16

       It's not the same. I mean, when you're a c- when you love cigarettes, and both of my parents smoked. N- my mom quit when she got pregnant with me and then started again, like, a year later, and she would smoke, like, in the little, you know, the little house that I grew up in. And it was just always, like, my whole life was, I was built to be a cigarette smoker.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       (laughs)

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe1:35

       Those two were probably smoking ciggies while banging, making me. Like, it was like, I just love cigarettes. I even still love the nice gust of secondhand smoke. It... Now that I'm a non-smoker, it blows my mind hearing people all those years say, "Oh, cigarettes stink." Like, it's like, I f- I fucking love it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       Really?

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe1:53

       Oh, I just love it. It just makes me feel good. It's weird, and I know-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       That is weird.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe1:58

       ... 'cause it's pure poison. It just goes to show, like-
2. 2:02 – 3:47

   The dark grip of cigarettes: Johnny Carson’s decline and why Tony finally quit

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:02

      Is that you, or is that just cigarettes in general have a grip on people? It's a dark grip.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe2:07

      It really is. It's so crazy, 'cause what else gives you nothing and takes everything?

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      Yeah.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe2:12

      And still, it's just, this is my favorite part of the day, favorite part of the night, after sex, during coffee.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      They said that Johnny Carson, when he was on his deathbed, was just rotting out from the inside. He was just-

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe2:24

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:24

      ... falling apart. And he was like, "Those goddamn cigarettes."

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe2:26

      Yeah, it's one of the main reasons why, uh, I actually quit, was reading about Johnny and-

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:32

      Really?

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe2:32

       Yeah, 'cause it's sort of correlated. I still, you know, go on runs every day, pretty much every day, short jogs and this and that to wake up and get the day started. And there was a while there where I was (clears throat) had a lot of like (clears throat) -

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Coughing up shit?

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe2:46

       ... was, like, coming up. Not really coughing up shit, but it was sort of just like it was there, and I'd have to clear my throat before going on stage. And it started to get, like it wasn't-

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:55

       Like a-

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe2:55

       ... on stage, but it started to creep up during work hours. Like, it's like (clears throat) while like-

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       Ooh.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe3:01

       ... Joey Diaz just murked a room, and I'm next. And he's bring, "You guys ready for your next comedian?" I'm like (clears throat) It's like, "Oh, I gotta get my shit together."

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       (laughs)

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe3:10

       (laughs) So, like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       Did you ever cough up anything black?

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe3:12

       No.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       I've ha- I've talked to people that have hawked up shit and it was black, and they spit it on the ground and they saw black.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe3:19

       Ugh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       Like a black loogie.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe3:20

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       And I was like, "Why? Did you quit immediately?"

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe3:24

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       Like, "No, six more years." (laughs)

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe3:26

       Yeah, but I read about Johnny and he was talking about, like, not only was that a major thing, like those damn cigarettes, like that's, he just kept repeating that on his deathbed. But they also talk about, like, how, um, he was like swimming, which he loved to do, and he just, like, couldn't do it anymore. So he was, like, almost drowning all the time and stuff.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       (sighs)

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe3:43

       Like, it was just like, he was out, he was gone. He just couldn't breathe. So-

3. 3:47 – 10:35

   Celebrity divorce money and public spectacle: Carson, Wynn, and Elizabeth Taylor

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:47

      That guy went through a rough patch. Like, not just that. Do you ever read the divorce settlements-

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe3:53

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:53

      ... that Johnny Carson had to go through?

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe3:54

      No.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:54

      He w- was one of the most famous, like, divorce rapings, where you just go, "Oh my god." Like, you find out how much he had to pay his ex-wife, you're like, "Oh, Jesus."

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe4:04

      Oh, no.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:05

      He, he, he, he got taken. (laughs)

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe4:08

      Oh, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:09

      Eddie Murphy had a bit about it.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe4:11

       (sighs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:11

       Eddie Murphy had a bit about Johnny Carson's divorce in his act. I think it was in Raw.

   12. RERedban4:17

       It was.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe4:17

       He did it on one of his specials?

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       Yes.

   15. RERedban4:19

       Yeah.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe4:19

       Wow.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       It was that bad.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe4:21

       Geez.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       Yeah.

   20. RERedban4:22

       This was on the National Enquirer, but it says, "220 grand a month was not enough."

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       Wow, Carson's wife rejects settlement and asks $220,000 a month in living expenses. 17 million is not enough, she said.

   22. RERedban4:36

       Yeah. That's still fucked up.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe4:37

       And what-

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       Wow.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe4:37

       ... what year does that say at the top left? 80-

   26. RERedban4:40

       '83 or '93, yeah, '83.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       What did she look like?

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe4:42

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       She looks kinda hot there in th- like that dirty 40, that dirty 40-year-old look. I like that. (laughs)

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe4:49

       My goodness.
4. 10:35 – 12:35

   Pain pills, sedation, and the slippery slope: Prince, Petty, and Michael Jackson

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:35

      People who go out with those pain pill addictions. If you think about it, we were talking about, uh, Joey Diaz and I were talking yesterday about Prince. Um, you know, he was, uh, he called me up and he was singing to me. (laughs) He was singing me that song, "Do you want him? Or do you want me? 'Cause I want you." He's like, "Purple Rain, cocksucker. Joe, Joe Rogan, when was the last time you listened to Purple Rain?" He goes, "I'm stoned as a motherfucker right now listening to Purple Rain. Goddamn, Prince was good." And I was thinking about it, like, Prince was just one of the many greats that we lost to pain pills, just real recently. Tom Petty, Prince, um, who else? We, we lost several, several l- big name powerful celebrities to pain pills.

   2. GUGuest11:19

      Michael Jackson.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:20

      No, he was propofol. He was, um, he wasn't pain pills, he was that shit that they, uh, used to put people under.

   4. GUGuest11:27

      Yeah. But he was in, like, a lot of pain, right? Wasn't that one of his things?

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:31

      I don't think so. I think he was just so fucked up in the head, so, so he had so much anxiety-

   6. GUGuest11:36

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:36

      ... and he, uh, he just, he couldn't sleep.

   8. GUGuest11:39

      Huh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:39

      You know? He was just a mess, man.

   10. GUGuest11:41

       Huh. Well-

   11. RERedban11:42

       There's rumors that he was addicted to pain pills.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       Michael Jackson?

   13. RERedban11:45

       Yeah.

   14. GUGuest11:45

       Oh.

   15. RERedban11:46

       He was with all the dancing and shit he did.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       Yeah, and he- Yeah.

   17. RERedban11:49

       ... he was working, uh, to, uh, make that big comeback thing at the time, too. So, they had him out there dancing and shit-

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:54

       Yeah.

   19. RERedban11:54

       ... looking like a bag of bones.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:56

       I'm pretty sure they said that the pro- propofol is what killed him, though.

   21. GUGuest11:59

       Yeah.

   22. RERedban11:59

       'Cause he couldn't sleep also, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:01

       Yeah. You need to sleep and what that, what he was doing is just getting sedated every night. I mean, that's the reason his doctor went to jail.

   24. GUGuest12:08

       He called it milk, right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:10

       Mm-hmm.

   26. GUGuest12:10

       "Can I have some more of the milk?"Oh, God.

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe12:12

       I'm having a little trouble sleeping.

   28. RERedban12:15

       Oh, yeah, the-

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:15

       Oh.

   30. RERedban12:16

       ... it sparked from that accident he got in, when he got on fire.
5. 12:35 – 15:59

   Tony’s ‘half a pain pill’ revelation + nostalgia drugs and new THC/CBD products

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe12:35

      That's all it takes is one accident. I've only taken a half of one pain pill one time and I know the exact day that it happened because it was the day that the WWE Network came out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:47

      (laughs)

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe12:47

      (laughs) I had my wisdom teeth pulled.

   4. GUGuest12:49

      (laughs)

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe12:50

      And they're like, "Take- take all these that you want." I'm like, "Ah, I don't really..." uh, you know, I'm very reactive to pills, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's not but I... So, but I was in a lot of pain, so I'm like, "Fuck it. I'll take a half of one." And man, if I didn't go through that whole network's library that day just with a smile on my face-

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:06

      (laughs)

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe13:06

      ... drooling on myself, loving life.

   8. GUGuest13:08

      (laughs)

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe13:08

      Just watching all the old stuff that I watched as a kid.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:12

       Wow.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe13:13

       So fun. But see, it was the day the network came out.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:16

       It would be nice if pain pills didn't do anything bad to you. They just fucked you up, but no physical harm.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe13:24

       No addiction.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:25

       That would be the good part.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe13:26

       No addiction, no addiction, no physical harm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       I mean, people are always gonna be add- people are addicted to washing their hands. I mean people-

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe13:31

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       ... are addicted to really weird shit. But there's- there's always gonna be people that are addicted to things in that they can't quit doing them, but addiction like in your bones.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe13:41

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:41

       Like those pain pills.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe13:42

       Well, they- they feel... It felt so good. I remember the feeling of just like, oh, this is the greatest feeling.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       Yeah.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe13:49

       I- I could do this all the time. This is incredible. It's- it's just such a- it's incomparable to even, like, you know, drink or pot or anything like that. It's just sit there and smile.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:00

       (laughs)

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe14:00

       Just waves of heat.

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       I was real sick once and I got a hold of that real NyQuil. In the '90s is the last time I took it. The real NyQuil, that stuff that... I guess it was codeine. Was it codeine that was in there?

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe14:13

       Yeah, something like that, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       Whoo.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe14:14

       It's the, uh, s- syrup.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:15

       It was wonderful. It was wonderful. I was just- I was, uh, just... My pillow and my blanket were just cuddling me with love, and I was just lying in bed with a stupid smile on my face watching TV just like, ah.
6. 15:59 – 18:06

   Legal weed logistics: flying with cannabis, airport amnesty boxes, and dispensary chaos

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:59

      Mm, Corona Modelo was the first to take the plunge, investing hundreds of millions of dollars into a Canadian outfit in order to bring THC infused brews to market in Northern Nation. Now, Molson Coors, the second-largest brewer in the world, is reportedly getting into the game. The game. Yeah, that's what's gonna be interesting is when like Smirnoff starts investing in marijuana, you know, 'cause they're going to. It's g-... It's, uh, 100% legal in Canada now. Canada is just- it's just like buying a beer.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe16:29

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:29

      It's thank God, Canada. You've-

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe16:32

      And you-

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:32

      ... you bad motherfuckers up there.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe16:33

      And you can travel in Canada and fly with it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:36

      Yeah. Well, I love you can fly out of LAX with weed now.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe16:38

      Heck yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:39

      Yeah. They say whatever happens when you get there is on you.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe16:42

       Right. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       Did you see the thing that they have in Vegas? They have dispensary like, uh, or dispensers for marijuana like at the airport?

   12. RERedban16:50

       Uh-uh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       And then people are breaking into them and they're stealing weed out of them.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe16:54

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Like, "Give me that weed." (laughs) And they say... They're not free weed boxes, you assholes. Was it crossing international borders with cannabis is illegal?

   16. RERedban17:02

       It's at the airport there.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       Yeah, but does that mean going back?

   18. RERedban17:06

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       Or landing?

   20. RERedban17:08

       E- either.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:08

       I don't think you can bring it in or take it out, but they're saying like- Oh.

   22. RERedban17:11

       ... if you're at the airport, just make sure you're staying here.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       Isn't that interesting? Like, you can't even bring it in even though it's legal there.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe17:18

       Yeah. That's weird.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       Wow, that's fucking...

   26. RERedban17:20

       There's the boxes. Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       Yeah, there's the box. "Disposal for prescription-"

   28. RERedban17:23

       That's that cannabis product.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:23

       "... and recreational drug." Is that in Canada?

   30. RERedban17:25

       This one's in Canada, but yet they have them in Denver also.
7. 18:06 – 23:34

   Porta-potty peeper story: extreme fetishes, internet lore, and how weird people get

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:06

      Oh my God, did you ever hear the story about a girl who was... uh, she went into a porta potty, and she- she thought she saw something-

   2. RERedban18:12

      Oh, no.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:13

      ... like when she was sitting down, and then she realized... Like, she heard like groans. She realized there was some guy in there inside the porta potty just laying there watching the shit come out and hitting him in the head.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe18:25

      (groans)

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:25

      He's like, (groans) with his mouth open while she's shitting and pissing on him.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe18:30

      Oh my God.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:30

      He had climbed in to the shit and piss.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe18:34

      That is so disgusting and hot at the same time-

   9. RERedban18:36

      (laughs)

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe18:36

       ... for some reason.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:38

       (laughs)

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe18:38

       ... the fact that a monster-

   13. GUGuest18:40

       (laughs)

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe18:40

       ... would lay there like that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:42

       He's probably had a fucking snorkel. Porta Potty Peeper, Luke Christo, suing Boulder for $99,999 or equal amount of gold coinage. (laughs)

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe18:57

       (laughs)

   17. GUGuest18:57

       Oh, my God.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:57

       He's from Boulder, Colorado. He's suing Boulder? Or, or he's ... So it happened in Bu- in Boulder?

   19. RERedban19:04

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:05

       Yeah. Boulder's a trippy place, man. People have been getting really high in Boulder for a long time.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe19:09

       Oh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:09

       And there's no air up there so if you get super baked in Boulder, like, you ... You could blow a fuse.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe19:15

       Look at that porta potty. It's, like, built for that. It looks like it's, like, a float tank-

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       (laughs)

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe19:19

       ... with a toilet on top. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:22

       It's, like, a little ... You know what it's like? It's like one of those first class seats you get when you fly to f- of Australia. (laughs)

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe19:28

       Oh, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:29

       You know?

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe19:29

       A little pod.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:30

       Get a pod. (laughs)
8. 23:34 – 29:55

   Sexual arousal research & Japanese game show insanity: sensors, homophobia studies, and shock TV

   1. JRJoe Rogan23:34

      (laughs) You know, they had this test they did with, uh, with men, where they took men that were ... Now, before we get any further, I don't know who conducted these tests, but Jamie could probably find it. Well, they, um, they conducted tests where they put devices on penises. Who talked about this? Was it Christopher Ryan may have talked about this? It may be our friend Chris Ryan who talked about this. They put, um, sensors on penises and they showed homophobic men, uh, erotica, and homosexual erotica in particular, like guys getting their dick sucked by guys, and they got aroused-

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe24:08

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:09

      ... by it. They put, like, these things on it. So that's what we would need to do. We'd need to, like ...

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe24:14

      Oh, that'd be the-

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:15

      Homophobic men are aroused by gay male porn. Here it is. Homophobia is associated with sexual excitement by male-on-male sex. (gasps)

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe24:23

      Oh, that's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:26

      That's one study ............................

   8. RERedban24:27

      This is the greatest reality show ever in the making right now.

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:29

      I know, right?

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe24:30

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:30

       One study asked heterosexual men how comfortable and anxious they are around gay men. Based on these scores, they then divided these men into two groups, men that are homophobic and men that are not. These men were then shown three four-minute videos. That's a long time to be sitting there watching a dude suck a dick. One video depicted straight sex, one debig- ... Depicted lesbian sex, and one depicted gay male sex.... while this was happening, a device was attached to each participant's penis. This device has been f- found to be triggered by sexual arousal, but not by other types of arousal, such as nervousness or fear. Arousal often has a very different meaning in psychology than improper usage. Hmm.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe25:15

       I wonder what the device looks like. It's just some dude's mouth.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:18

       Yeah, it's a dude's mouth.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe25:19

       (laughs)

   15. RERedban25:20

       I'm pretty sure this was a, uh, Japanese game show experiment of some dude.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe25:23

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       Was it?

   18. RERedban25:24

       They had a guy get blown by another dude and he had to last a certain amount of time.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe25:28

       Oh, I did hear about that.

   20. RERedban25:29

       And they kept him under a-

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:30

       Yeah.

   22. RERedban25:30

       ... like ƒostol.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:31

       Wait a minute. He had to last without coming?

   24. RERedban25:33

       He had to go, like, four or five minutes or something like that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:34

       Without blowing a load?

   26. RERedban25:35

       And he, like, he'd win a bunch of money.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:36

       And if a guy was sucking his dick.

   28. RERedban25:38

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:38

       D- people don't r- realize that Japanese ... M- before Fear Factor, Japanese game shows were on another level. They were doing some fucking insane shit on Japanese TV. That was one of the... Some of the early YouTube clips we used to watch was Japanese game shows.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe25:56

       Those guys are way ... Th- they're always ahead of it. Ninja Warrior.
9. 29:55 – 38:20

   Blackface controversy and media punishment: Megyn Kelly, history, and the ‘hostage apology’

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe29:55

      Megyn Kelly, that's a crazy one.

   2. JRJoe Rogan29:57

      That's a crazy one.

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe29:58

      Because she said ... W- di- and I never really got it all the way. She said that back in her day, people used to be Black for Halloween.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      She said, "Why can't you dress up as, like, Diana Ross?"

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe30:10

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      Like, uh, she essentially said, "What's wrong with wearing blackface?" She's like, "Why is it bad for a b-" sh- she threw one in that's not even really bad-

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe30:18

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      ... as it ... Like, she started with, "Why is it bad for a Black person to dress up as a white person or a white person dress up as a Black person?" Well, it's not. Nobody says it's bad for a Black person to dress up as a white person. Dave Chappelle did it on his TV show forever.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe30:32

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       Remember?

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe30:33

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       He would do that?

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe30:34

       Oh, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       (clears throat) Nobody cared. It's bad because they used to have minstrel shows. Like, if ... She, she knew the history of it, like, you go to back and watch Al Jolson. Have you ever watched some of that stuff?

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe30:44

       A little bit, but, I mean-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       We should watch some of that.

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe30:47

       Okay.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       The Al Jolson stuff.

   19. RERedban30:49

       Uh, I don't think we can.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       Really?

   21. RERedban30:50

       Yeah, I mean-

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       What would happen? We go to jail?

   23. RERedban30:52

       No, just-

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       PC police?

   25. RERedban30:55

       No, no.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       YouTube?

   27. RERedban30:55

       No, no. Yeah, yeah, YouTube.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe30:56

       What about White Chicks? Remember White Chicks when the Wayans brothers, uh ...

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Oh, yeah. They had that whole movie where they wore whiteface.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe31:02

       Huge movie.
10. 38:20 – 41:24

    Online outrage and mental health: trolls, paranoia conspiracies, and schizophrenia insight

    1. JRJoe Rogan38:20

       After Roseanne was on, um, I got a bunch of people that tweeted at me with these wacky conspiracies, like wacky mind control conspiracies and ... What, what it seemed to me to be ... I'm not a professional, but if I had to guess, a wave of mentally ill people-

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe38:38

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan38:39

       ... were contacting me. And I was, I was reading this, I'm like, "Jesus Christ, how many fucking people are out there that believe, like, the most nuttiest CIA-based mind control experiments and" (coughs) "NSA," you know, tapping into everything in your home and, and listening to your conversations by listening to the vibrations off of your windowpanes? Like, here's what people don't know. Who's got time for that? Here's the thing. Do you really think there's enough people in the world to be paying attention to all the people in the world? Does that make any sense to you? It shouldn't. There's no way everybody's watching everybody.

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe39:18

       Right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan39:18

       There's not enough people, see? Like, if you do something, like say Tony Hinchcliffe runs for president, oh, they're gonna fucking watch you, for sure. They're gonna find out what ... "Why is Tony Hinchcliffe running for president? Who's backing him? Is it George Soros who's looking out for Tony Hinchcliffe?" You know, "Who's trying to ... Who's for-" Yeah, they'll check you out. But the average person is like ... Remember that Mel Gibson movie, Conspiracy Theory?

    6. THTony Hinchcliffe39:41

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan39:41

       Remember that? (coughs) He played a mentally ill person who fell in love with Julia Roberts.

    8. THTony Hinchcliffe39:47

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan39:47

       He was, like, a hot mentally ill person and, uh, he just believed everything was a conspiracy theory. It's a r- I watched it the other day, like, outta nowhere. It was on TV. I just only watched it for a little bit and I was like, "Wow, how fucking whacky is this movie." But-

    10. THTony Hinchcliffe40:01

        People that ha- have schizophrenia don't realize-

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:04

        Mm-hmm.

    12. THTony Hinchcliffe40:04

        ... that they're schizophrenic.

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:06

        Exactly.

    14. THTony Hinchcliffe40:06

        Like, people with bipolar notice. They're n- ... They might be aware that they're having an episode. People with OCD, they're OCD, ADD, ADD. Schizophrenia, it's game, set, match. You start hearing ... The voices become a normal thing.

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:21

        Mm-hmm.

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe40:21

        Like, you think everybody can hear them and you're not really acknowledging them because they've become so natural. The schizophrenic person can be in a, a psych ward and say to their doctor, "Why am I here?" And that's a breakthrough.

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:34

        Yeah, yeah. Do you know Ma- Marc Maron heard voices in his head for over a year?

    18. THTony Hinchcliffe40:40

        Oh, my goodness.

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:41

        After partying with Kinison.

    20. THTony Hinchcliffe40:43

        Wow.

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:44

        That's a hard Kinison party.

    22. THTony Hinchcliffe40:46

        (laughs) Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:46

        We're pussies.

    24. THTony Hinchcliffe40:48

        Man, we really are. I was talking to Argus the other day at the back door.

    25. JRJoe Rogan40:52

        (coughs)

    26. THTony Hinchcliffe40:53

        (laughs) I was ... And it's just, like, my God, I literally said the words, like, I'm like, "I wish I was ... I wish I had started back when you started, man." (laughs) I was-

    27. JRJoe Rogan41:03

        Really?

    28. THTony Hinchcliffe41:04

        'Cause he was talking about we ended up getting off on this whole ... I don't know how we got there, but we started off on this whole tangent about, uh, about just, you know, sobriety and stuff. And he's like, "Man, you know, back in my day." And he was ... I can't remember the exact dialogue, but it was just ... Yeah, I mean, those guys were all ... It was all just a blur.

11. 41:24 – 1:03:28

    Sober October training obsession: runner’s high, overtraining warning signs, and exercise as anxiety control

    1. JRJoe Rogan41:24

       I learned something from Argus 'cause Ar-

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe41:26

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan41:26

       You know, Argus runs, like, insane numbers of miles every day, like, 12 miles, 15 miles a day.

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe41:33

       The addict in him, the guy that n- l- loved getting wasted, that's his high now. He talks about it all the time, his runner's high.

    5. JRJoe Rogan41:39

       It's real, dude.

    6. THTony Hinchcliffe41:40

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan41:41

       It's real. I, I know now because of this month.

    8. THTony Hinchcliffe41:44

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan41:44

       This month, this Sober October month, dude, I worked out no less than at least two hours. That's a small workout, a small workout where that's all I could get in was two hours. The longest I did, I did six hours one day.

    10. THTony Hinchcliffe41:57

        Good Lord.

    11. JRJoe Rogan41:58

        Six hours of insane cardio.

    12. THTony Hinchcliffe42:00

        That's, like, both Kill Bills, dude.

    13. JRJoe Rogan42:01

        I did seven, I did seven hours of cardio in the last two days. Between yesterday and the day before, seven hours of hard cardio, different stuff, running the hills with the dog, elliptical machine, the rowing machine-

    14. THTony Hinchcliffe42:12

        You know you're competing with fat people, right?

    15. JRJoe Rogan42:15

        No, I'm competing with myself, so ... (laughs)

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe42:17

        (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan42:17

        First of all, my main competition is Ari Shaffir.

    18. THTony Hinchcliffe42:20

        (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan42:20

        And whether you realize it or not, Ari Shaffir, even though he doesn't exercise, Ari has a strong mind.

    20. THTony Hinchcliffe42:26

        Mm-hmm.

    21. JRJoe Rogan42:26

        He has a very strong mind. (coughs) Ari ran 15 miles the other day, 15 miles. He rode five kilometers. And then, after he rode five kilometers, he, um, he did something else. He rode his bike. He rode a bike for a certain amount of miles.

    22. RERedban42:40

        How long did it take him to run 15 miles?

    23. JRJoe Rogan42:42

        The whole thing, his whole workout was, I think, four hours.

    24. THTony Hinchcliffe42:46

        My goodness.

    25. JRJoe Rogan42:46

        Yeah.

    26. THTony Hinchcliffe42:46

        He's got that power Jew gene. He's got that escape from concentration camp gene.

    27. JRJoe Rogan42:51

        Dude, he's, he's ... You saw how fucking hard he was going on the rowing machine. He goes hard, dude. He stayed in the 80% on the rowing machine for an hour. I mean, he really did.

    28. THTony Hinchcliffe43:00

        Phew.

    29. JRJoe Rogan43:01

        I saw him. I was the- out there with him. I filmed it. I put it up on, uh, Instagram.

    30. RERedban43:04

        Well, that's that point I d- when Bert was making fun of him for being at s- 75 for just walking. Isn't that him being out of shape?
12. 1:03:28 – 1:13:12

    Comedy career realities: Kill Tony’s chaos engine, hecklers, touring, and comedy as ‘dangerous’ again

    1. THTony Hinchcliffe1:03:28

       It's crazy what's happening. It's crazy. I've noticed it, uh, a little bit in standup lately. There's been a couple of these road trips. I did something that you told me not to do, Joe Rogan. You ready for this?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:03:40

       (laughs)

    3. THTony Hinchcliffe1:03:40

       You told me not to do it years ago and I did it, and it was rough, and I performed standup comedy in Connecticut. (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:03:51

       (laughs) Was that right?

    5. THTony Hinchcliffe1:03:52

       You were right, dude.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:03:53

       I told you.

    7. THTony Hinchcliffe1:03:54

       You were right.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:03:54

       It's a place of despair.

    9. THTony Hinchcliffe1:03:56

       Yeah. It's really crazy. So, one of the things that happened was, is I noticed this really cool old guy stood out in the front middle of the audience, right?

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:04:07

        (laughs)

    11. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04:07

        And I'm like, "You seem, like, out of place and cool as hell and old as fuck. What's your story, dude?" Right? And I noticed that there's this angry older lady, almost like, almost like Dana Carvey's, like, church lady character sitting next to him. And I go, "And who's this angry lady that you're sitting next to?"

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:04:25

        (laughs)

    13. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04:26

        "She doesn't wanna be here at all." And he goes, "That's my wife." And they were the most different seeming couple you could ever imagine, this happy, smiling, laughing at everything guy, and just this, I mean, she was looking at me with hate, not just not having fun. She hated me. It could've been something that I talked about early on, maybe it was like-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:04:48

        Probably.

    15. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04:48

        ... a, something about-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:04:49

        Probably her Amy Schumer joke. (laughs)

    17. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04:50

        Could've been that, could've been my Me Too joke, could've been my, uh, Trump misdirect joke that people-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:04:57

        Yeah.

    19. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04:57

        ... you know what I mean? Anyway, and, but I noticed next to them, there's this girl who seems even angrier than the mom, and they're the only two angry people in the room. And it's a gig at a casino in Connecticut-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:05:12

        Show me her face. Gimme, gimme a face.

    21. THTony Hinchcliffe1:05:12

        ... just literally, like, literally, like, a modern day, like, i- if someone w- had said to a bad actress, like, "Play angry, play angry, angrier, angier." (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:05:23

        (laughs)

    23. THTony Hinchcliffe1:05:23

        To a horrible actress, she just-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:05:25

        (coughs)

    25. THTony Hinchcliffe1:05:25

        ... like that. And, uh, and, and I go, and I go, "What's the problem?" And, you know, th- there's like, th- we're... I, I ignore it for, like, 45 minutes, right? And I'm going on and on, but the mom's angry. It turns out that the chick next to them's the daughter, and then, and they're basically mad because of whatever, whatever material or whatever. And I end up, towards the end of my set, going off on the girl. I go, I g- I go, "Take the scowl off your face."

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:05:55

        (laughs) Yeah.

    27. THTony Hinchcliffe1:05:55

        I go, "What are you doing? Do you think that's going to affect me? Lady, I'm getting paid the same amount whether you laugh or not, and I'm back to LA, back to the dream tomorrow." You know what I mean? Like, at this point I'm just... My fans are loving it, and they're the ones that stumbled into the wrong casino for the wrong show at the wrong time if they were looking for Christian puppet comedy or whatever. And I said to her, I go, "You seem like, uh," I, I go, well, I go, "You seem like an internet troll that just stumbled in here. Like, you seem like you're gonna write about this. You seem an- like the type of angry where you think you're gonna change something or you're gonna do something to my career. That's what I th- that's the vibe I get from you." I literally made the jokes. The crowd's loving it, by the way. You know what I mean? Because they can tell, like, it's not punch-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:06:47

        Is she saying anything to you or is she just swearing at you?

    29. THTony Hinchcliffe1:06:49

        Th- there was one, there was one part where I go, I go, my, because my goal, the, the thing that, the reason why I ignored them for a while was because I go, "You seem like a tough lady," to the mom, right? I go, "You seem tough but I'm gonna break you at some point during this set, and when I do, I'm gonna make sure this whole room knows. I'm gonna say, 'I gotcha.' And I- I'm not gonna tell you when it's gonna happen, but I'm gonna make you laugh." Anyway, 45 minutes later, I get to the point to where I had, in my mind, set up that there's no way she's not going to laugh at this. And sure enough, I got a big smile out of her, right? I'm not... I won't say what the joke is. I don't wanna give anything away, but I got the smile and I'm literally like, "Ugh," and the whole crowd's already laughing and they can tell that I'm looking to watch to see if the lady breaks, and she doesn't. And I go, "How in the w- I thought I was gonna getcha."

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:07:42

        (laughs)

Episode duration: 2:16:58