Joe Rogan Experience #1193 - Shane Dorian

Joe Rogan 0:01 Yeah. He's, uh, I think he's too smart. He's too smart to talk to regular people.

Shane Dorian 0:08 Fun.

Joe Rogan 0:08 Boom! Powerful big wave surfer. How are you, buddy?

Shane Dorian 0:11 I'm great. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:12 We just got back from playing a little Tekno Hunt.

Shane Dorian 0:14 We did, man. Ah-

Joe Rogan 0:15 Greatest thing of all time, right?

Shane Dorian 0:16 I was just saying, I, I don't care what the price is, it's worth it.

Joe Rogan 0:19 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 0:19 It's a, it's a bargain at twice the price, or whatever it is. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:22 Yeah. For people who don't know what it is, it's this game that it simulates bow hunting. So, what it is, is it's a giant screen that's made out of Kevlar, and then, uh, it's got a s- like a projector, projects HD images of elk and deer. Y- you can set it up for a bunch of different animals, but elk and deer walk across the screen. And you shoot at 'em, and it's like the perfect... There's a, we show a little video of Shane doing it earlier.

Shane Dorian 0:49 (laughs) It's really cool, man.

Joe Rogan 0:50 But it's, it's a perfect practice for bow hunting, because one of the things about bow hunting is it, you get nervous. And the more you could do something like this, where you just shot a perfect shot, the more you can do that over and over and over again, the more it becomes ingrained in your, your, your nervous system. I mean, ingrained in your muscles, ingrained in your memory, and then it becomes natural.

Shane Dorian 1:11 Yeah. It's awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:12 Yeah. It's pretty dope.

Shane Dorian 1:13 We're gonna make this podcast about 15 minutes long, go back and shoot some more. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:18 (laughs) Yeah. That's what we... We were actually talking about cutting off the podcast short just for that.

Shane Dorian 1:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:21 So, tell me about this movie, man.

Shane Dorian 1:24 Yeah. So, I'm in LA for the premiere, the HBO premiere, of The Momentum Generation. It's a, it's a, uh, it's a sports documentary they, that, uh, that HBO and Robert Redford did. So, it's cool, man. It's, it's, it's really cool. It's um, it's a story about my friends and I. We, you know, we all grew up, uh, competitive surfers and in high school, we all sort of met each other through, through competitions, competing. So, this tells the story of how we basically, how we met, how we grew up, um, and how we became friends and family, basically. Like, traveling around the world, you know, together, as basically like little kids with no, with no chaperones on, on tour around the world.

Joe Rogan 2:01 Wow.

Shane Dorian 2:02 So, it's fucking crazy. It's a, it's a wild story.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Pull this up to your... Like, keep this like a fist away from your face.

Shane Dorian 2:06 All right.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Mm, how old were you when you first started surfing?

Shane Dorian 2:10 I s- started surfing on a standup surfboard when I was five.

Joe Rogan 2:13 And when did you start traveling to surf?

Shane Dorian 2:16 When I was 12, I went to England for the w- the World Amateur Championships.

Joe Rogan 2:21 Wow.

Shane Dorian 2:22 So, I was on the Hawaii team.

Joe Rogan 2:24 So, you've been just doing this traveling, surfing thing-

Shane Dorian 2:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:26 ... most of your life?

Shane Dorian 2:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:29 Wow.

Shane Dorian 2:29 Yeah. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 2:31 That is nuts, man.

Shane Dorian 2:32 I've been, I've been putting my surfboards in a board bag and, you know, walking out the door with my passport since I was 12.

Joe Rogan 2:39 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 2:39 And going to so many different destinations around the world, literally just for surfing.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Wow.

Shane Dorian 2:44 Fucking nuts. Just such a crazy way to grow up, and that, that's the cool thing about the film is, all of us had that in common. And it's, it's crazy the way the story's set up too, because there's so many things in it that I didn't really realize were happening at the time. Like, like, I came from the, it... I came from a broken family, alcoholic father, you know, kind of a radical, um, situation at home. And then, like a lot of us had like broken families, a lot of us had that in common. So, we sort of have like this weird, fucked up family dynamic in common. So, we all became sort of like our own family on the road. So, we,

Shane Dorian 3:20 we were competing for a world title. We were all competing and going around the world all the time, staying together. So, we became best friends, like this nucleus of surfers. And we all just became ultra-close. And then, when things get, got really serious with the surfing competition, and there was a lot on the line with sponsors and money and big brands coming in, the shit hit the fan and then we started like breaking up. It got too serious. Uh, it, it was almost like a band who just couldn't stand each other anymore, or things got too radical, or, you know, girls got in the way, or money got in the way. And so, there was like this kinda like breaking up element, you know, throughout our group.

Joe Rogan 3:55 Wow. I would imagine, when you're living like that, those people must be so valuable for you, though. People that can understand your way of life, because it's their way of life too. 'Cause like to, to a regular person who commutes every day and goes to an office and comes home, like, your life is alien.

Shane Dorian 4:13 Yeah. It is. I still get w- uh, like I still get uncomfortable when people ask me what I do for a living.

Joe Rogan 4:19 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 4:20 Y- you know, like I'll, like I'll be in like a normal random setting and someone will be like, "Oh, yeah, what do you do for a living?" I'm like, "No."

Joe Rogan 4:26 Oh.

Shane Dorian 4:27 "Don't, d- do not ask me that."

Joe Rogan 4:29 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 4:29 'Cause nobody understands, you know? It's like...

Joe Rogan 4:31 What do you tell them?

Shane Dorian 4:33 I, I tell them the truth, but it's... I just tell, always tell 'em like, "It's, it's really hard to explain, but I surf for a living." I mean, what the fuck is that?

Joe Rogan 4:41 And do they... Yeah, do they go, "How does that work? How do you get paid?"

Shane Dorian 4:44 Yes. All the time. Man, I just go, "I have no idea. I gotta check every now and then."

Joe Rogan 4:47 Well, you don't necessarily compete any longer, right?

Shane Dorian 4:51 No, not at all.

Joe Rogan 4:52 You just ru- ride big waves.

Shane Dorian 4:53 I do. I ride big waves. That's my focus, and I also ride all kinds of waves. I surf every day, and you know, the waves don't get big that often.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Right.

Shane Dorian 5:01 But when the waves are biggest, I'm on it.

Joe Rogan 5:03 Yeah. For a person that like is just meeting you for the first time and doesn't understand surfing and is trying to wrap their head around making a living-

Shane Dorian 5:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:13 ... riding the waves of the ocean.

Shane Dorian 5:16 It's like, "How? Why? What?"

Joe Rogan 5:17 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 5:18 (laughs) It's weird.

Joe Rogan 5:18 Like, "Wait a minute, no, I went to accounting school." (laughs)

Shane Dorian 5:21 And I, and I don't have... There's not like a, there's nothing... I mean, there's, there's not like another category I can really point to, to, to, to make the point go quicker, to... There's not like, um, you know, it's like there's basketball players and football players, and all of them are like scoring goals and getting these brand endorsements from that, from competition element, so.

Joe Rogan 5:40 Right.

Shane Dorian 5:41 Because I'm a free surfer who doesn't compete at all, it's just, it's hard to wrap your head around. But basically-

Joe Rogan 5:46 That's even harder. Yeah.

Shane Dorian 5:47 Yeah, and basically I, I, you know, I, I, I, uh, you know... I have a, a large surfing profile, and so like I work with a lot of brands, and that's just the kinda the way it works.

Joe Rogan 5:57 It's just sponsors?

Shane Dorian 5:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Yeah. Now, this movie, this documentary, do they have footage of you guys from when you were really young?

Shane Dorian 6:03 Oh, yeah.... yeah, big deal.

Joe Rogan 6:06 Is that weird watching that stuff?

Shane Dorian 6:08 Yeah, very weird. 'Cause we're all in our 40s now. We all got-

Joe Rogan 6:11 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 6:11 ... kids and-

Joe Rogan 6:12 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 6:12 ... for most of us, except for Kelly, Kelly's still going, he's 40-

Joe Rogan 6:16 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 6:16 ... 46 years old. I, I, I saw him on your show the other day. It was pretty classic, but... So, so he's like a focal point in the film. He's, he's part of the Momentum generation and, um, and so he, he... There's incredible footage of him when he's, you know, nine years old or 10 years old and he's in Florida like a little rat.

Joe Rogan 6:32 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 6:32 Like a little sunburned rat. And, um, it's neat, you know what I mean? I mean, we all had that in common. That's... We, we all grew up in, in different places and then w- we all fell in love with surfing, you know, separately, and then we all just became super tight, so...

Joe Rogan 6:46 Wow.

Shane Dorian 6:46 It was a great... It's, it's great. And then now we're all like best friends again because there's no, there's no points on the line or world title on the line or, like, brands getting in the way or girls getting in the way. We're all, we're all, you know-

Joe Rogan 6:57 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 6:57 ... we're finally grown up.

Joe Rogan 6:59 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 7:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:00 That... I mean, that had to be strange though, to be so tight and then everything sort of get bottlenecked by the pressure.

Shane Dorian 7:08 Yeah. And you think surfing, how much pressure could there be? But, you know, we're all trying to make a living, right? It's like-

Joe Rogan 7:14 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 7:15 ... you know, that was our dream to, like, surf as much as possible and see the world. And that's the only way you could do it-

Joe Rogan 7:20 Well, what-

Shane Dorian 7:20 ... for us.

Joe Rogan 7:20 ... whenever there's competition there's gotta be massive amounts of pressure. Whenever there's someone trying to achieve something or tr-

Shane Dorian 7:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:27 ... someone trying to rise to the top of a profession and you're surrounded by a bunch of pe... But you also must have pushed each other too, and it must have been beneficial to have people like you around as well.

Shane Dorian 7:38 I, I think he... It's, it's part of... It's just... You know, I think it's, like, part of our, our, like, human DNA to, you know, to be naturally competitive, es- I think especially men. I think that we feel like we have something to prove.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Mm-hmm.

Shane Dorian 7:52 You know, like where we stand, like, compared to the other guys. Whe- whether it was, like, in the caveman days or, or, like, the hu- you know, the, the first hunters where it was like, there, for sure there were, there, they were competitive to see who could bring home meat for the, for the tribe.

Joe Rogan 8:04 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 8:05 And then it just, you know, kept going from there. And, and, and then now we, we, we compete with whatever we're into and, you know, for us with surfing, we became hypercompetitive. And especially me, like, from the time I was, like, maybe 16 or 17 till the time I was, like, in my mid-20s, I was, like, super competitive. I would want to rip people's heads off-

Joe Rogan 8:23 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 8:23 ... in my heat. Like I would, like, visualize horrible, horrible things happening to them while I was competing against them.

Joe Rogan 8:29 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 8:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:30 Like what?

Shane Dorian 8:30 And it's f- ah, it's so crazy how it's, that's gone, 100% gone from my, my being now. I can't even imagine doing that. I'm like the most relaxed, noncompetitive person. I, I have no competitiveness left in my body.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Well, I've only known you for what, four years or something like that?

Shane Dorian 8:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:45 In those years, I could not imagine you having evil thoughts-

Shane Dorian 8:49 No.

Joe Rogan 8:49 ... towards someone.

Shane Dorian 8:50 No.

Joe Rogan 8:50 You seemed so chill.

Shane Dorian 8:51 I was a shit-talker.

Joe Rogan 8:52 (laughs) Were you really?

Shane Dorian 8:53 Oh, yeah. I, I, uh, I, I remember I wa- I was surfing against this guy, Damien Hardeman, and, and he was like an Australian world champion. He was like a older generation, we were from the young, like, new school generation, we were coming up and there's these established guys who didn't wanna d- you know, like, be dethroned. And there was this guy, Damien Hardeman, who was a badass competitive surfer, but he was a very, like, tactician, ch- conservative, he'd never fall. He seemed like a nerd to me, you know what I mean? I wa-

Joe Rogan 9:20 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 9:21 I was, like this raw kid from Hawaii and this guy was, like, so presentable and professional and I just, like, resented it and... I was in a heat with him and he got priority, which means that he had first right of wave, and I just needed a tiny little score to win. And he basically sat on me, which means he uses hi- he used his priority to chase me around the lineup and sit on me and keep me from getting a wave and let the time run out.

Joe Rogan 9:46 Oh.

Shane Dorian 9:46 And the whole time I was like, "You surf like a girl. You, you surf,"-

Joe Rogan 9:49 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 9:49 "... like a little bitch." Like, I was, like, totally shit-talking him and, um-

Joe Rogan 9:54 Did it work? Did he get you?

Shane Dorian 9:56 He got me because-

Joe Rogan 9:57 He rode the dime out.

Shane Dorian 9:58 ... I, I, I, I, I basically cracked and started, like, getting emotional and he loved it.

Joe Rogan 10:03 Ah.

Shane Dorian 10:03 He went, "I got this guy beat." He started to shit-talk me. He loved that I... And he, and he... Uh, he actually came up to me later and goes, "I love it that you're that passionate. I love it that you got that psyched and that emotional where you just started, like, trying to, like, insult me." He's like, "That's my goal when I'm in heats with people, is to get them to that point." You know?

Joe Rogan 10:21 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 10:21 It must, like... That's, that's g-... There's gotta be a lot of parallels to the fight world, right?

Joe Rogan 10:25 Huge. Yeah. Well, it's also when, when you can get someone emotional, then they're f-... Fighting in particular is so dangerous and so, uh, when you lose, you're not just losing, like, someone's taking a piece of you. You know? 'Cause they're-

Shane Dorian 10:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:40 ... fucking you up. They're not... It's not just beating you on points. I mean, they are beating you on points sometimes, but they're punching you in the face to beat you on those points. You know, they're kicking you in the body. They're fucking your legs up. There's, there's something about that that's so intensely emotional.

Shane Dorian 10:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:55 So when you're fighting, if you're fighting at your best, you have to be in, like, this sort of flow state. This sort of zen, not thinking about anything but what's happening-

Shane Dorian 11:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:04 ... and reacting and just going on your training and your instincts. And if you can get a guy to be angry and emotional, it will severely impair, f- for most fighters, severely impair your ability to perform.

Shane Dorian 11:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:17 Most fighters, they, they lose ab- they get tense, they tighten up, they look to wind up-

Shane Dorian 11:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:22 ... instead of just letting things flow. We were talking about this guy, Stylebender, who fought this weekend.

Shane Dorian 11:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:27 That guy flows. Like when you watch him fight, he just flows. I mean, he walks into the octagon dancing.

Shane Dorian 11:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:34 I mean, like, full on dancing.

Shane Dorian 11:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:36 Like popping and moving and strutting.

Shane Dorian 11:37 How's that mindset?

Joe Rogan 11:39 He's just, he just gets loose. And when he gets-

Shane Dorian 11:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:41 ... in there, he's switching stances-

Shane Dorian 11:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:43 ... and he's... But, but there was a, a mad shit-talking session between these two guys for the last six weeks.

Shane Dorian 11:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:49 But he stayed calm through the whole thing. And you could see when the two got into the octagon, Derek Brunson just couldn't wait to just grab ahold of him. And Stylebender just avoided all that shit and wound up KO-ing him in the first round. But-... the emotional aspect of the shit-talking and the, the, the tension that it brings, 'cause it tightens guys up.

Shane Dorian 12:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:10 Like we were talking about bow hunting, like you see a, a big elk. You have one shot at a big elk, one shot.

Shane Dorian 12:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:17 You draw back your bow and you're like, "Holy shit." And it's literally a life or death moment. So there's all this tension.

Shane Dorian 12:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:24 And if you could alleviate that tension, that pressure, you would, you would perform better, right?

Shane Dorian 12:27 The mindset is everything.

Joe Rogan 12:29 It's everything.

Shane Dorian 12:29 It's everything.

Joe Rogan 12:30 Yeah, it's everything with-

Shane Dorian 12:31 It really is.

Joe Rogan 12:31 I'm sure it's everything with golf. It's everything with pool. It's everything with any- anytime there's something on the line.

Shane Dorian 12:37 Well, what's fascinating is, like for you, like, you've watched thousands of fights, like ringside, right?

Joe Rogan 12:42 Yeah, sure.

Shane Dorian 12:43 So, so like y- you must be like, "Okay, we're in the second round and this guy is..." You know, these two guys are like up and up. It's, you know, it's like a, it's like a super tight fight. And you go, "This is a good fight." And there must be inflection points where you instantly know that one guy's gonna lose, like something happens with their psyche

Shane Dorian 13:00 or something happens with their... You can see it in their eyes. You can see it in their body language. All of a sudden they lose that, that edge, that mindset, and they're basically have already lost, even though it's like right in the middle of the round.

Joe Rogan 13:10 Sometimes, yeah.

Shane Dorian 13:10 And then you see one guy just like...

Joe Rogan 13:12 The, one of the c- crazy things about fighting is it's so unpredictable. Even when you think a guy's gonna lose, sometimes they come back and win w- by knockout, like outta nowhere.

Shane Dorian 13:20 I watched that fight-

Joe Rogan 13:20 It's just a crazy sport.

Shane Dorian 13:21 Who, who, who's-

Joe Rogan 13:22 Derek Luce?

Shane Dorian 13:23 Yeah, the guy with the awesome Instagram?

Joe Rogan 13:24 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 13:25 The big, black dude?

Joe Rogan 13:26 Yes. (laughs)

Shane Dorian 13:26 Dude, he was losing that fight.

Joe Rogan 13:28 Yes.

Shane Dorian 13:28 I, I'm not a fight-

Joe Rogan 13:29 Yes.

Shane Dorian 13:29 ... nerd.

Joe Rogan 13:30 No, he was getting fucked up.

Shane Dorian 13:31 But he was losi- I'm like, "Dude, that guy's losing the fight. There's zero chance to win." Next thing you know, he won.

Joe Rogan 13:35 Yeah, but I-

Shane Dorian 13:36 That was, that was so exciting.

Joe Rogan 13:37 Volkov, the guy he beat had just beaten Fabricio Werdum, who's a former heavyweight champion.

Shane Dorian 13:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:42 Beat him by knockout. So, uh, Alexander's the real deal. I mean, he's, uh, he was what I thought was the dark horse in-

Shane Dorian 13:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:48 ... the heavyweight division. But he stood in front of Derek for too long, and Derek hit him with a fucking bomb. He had hurt him earlier too, because Derek, Derek hit him and knocked his mouthpiece out, and he didn't know his mouthpiece was gone.

Shane Dorian 14:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:01 So the referee was trying to give him the mouthpiece.

Shane Dorian 14:03 That was nuts. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:03 And he's like, "No, that's not my mouthpiece. That's his mouthpiece." And the referee's like, "Motherfucker, you don't have a mouthpiece. I'm holding your mouthpiece. That's your mouthpiece."

Shane Dorian 14:09 That's your mindset. He's in the zone, dude.

Joe Rogan 14:11 He was... I don't think he was in the zone. I think he was in space. I think-

Shane Dorian 14:13 Well, that's that mindset of me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:16 (laughs) I think he'd already been clipped, you know?

Shane Dorian 14:18 But, but fighting, f- like, the nature of fighting is built for competition. It's perfectly-

Joe Rogan 14:23 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 14:23 ... suited to competition. Surfing's not.

Joe Rogan 14:25 Right, right, right.

Shane Dorian 14:26 Surfing, I think surfing is like the least suited for competition. I don't see surfing as a sport whatsoever.

Joe Rogan 14:31 Because when you're on the wave, you have to be zen. You have to go with the flow of the wave. You're not really competing against another person per se, even though you are. You're really riding the wave.

Shane Dorian 14:41 And you're being judged.

Joe Rogan 14:42 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 14:42 Which is weird.

Joe Rogan 14:43 'Cause it's artistic.

Shane Dorian 14:44 By humans, yeah. But l- I think the b- I think the single most important aspect of surfing that makes it not good for competition is you're dealing with Mother Nature.

Joe Rogan 14:54 Right.

Shane Dorian 14:54 It's completely unfair. You know?

Joe Rogan 14:55 Right, right, right. Like you might get an awesome wave. The next guy might get a shitty one.

Shane Dorian 15:00 Yeah, some kid who, on a scale of one to 10, their ability level is like a three can beat the, you know, Kelly Slater in a heat easily. Because it, it's just like if that kid gets the best waves in the heat and Kelly accidentally falls, he loses, you know? Like...

Joe Rogan 15:15 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 15:15 That's just the way it is. Where, like, if I was playing, um, you know, LeBron James a thousand games in a row, I'm never gonna win.

Joe Rogan 15:22 Right, right.

Shane Dorian 15:22 Never gonna win. It's impossible. Um, but I mean, surf competition's cool, but I, I, surfing is just as a lifestyle, as like a way to like stay sane and have peace in your life and, and meet friends, that's what surfing's about.

Joe Rogan 15:36 Do you-

Shane Dorian 15:36 Surfing's fucking awesome for that.

Joe Rogan 15:38 Do you think you appreciate it more now that you're not competing?

Shane Dorian 15:41 Yeah, I do, because I don't see it as... It's my, my, my... The s- the surfing to me is tied to like only happiness and only like surfing with my son and his friends and, and surfing with my daughter and going to the beach and, and traveling to get epic waves. It's not about like pressure and points and a world title and sponsors putting pressure on me, uh, myse- me putting pressure on myself. The, basically like the, the, the, the, the pressure part of surfing is gone, which is amazing. You know? I still put pressure-

Joe Rogan 16:14 That is amazing.

Shane Dorian 16:14 ... on myself to surf at a high level and perform at a high level to myself, um, and, and, you know, be able to like s- you know, have, have an A game still. For sure, I love that. I love the, I love the performance aspect of, of surfing, but the, the actual competition part's gone for me.

Joe Rogan 16:32 It's so cool though that you kept the love of it after the competition was gone. Because like-

Shane Dorian 16:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:37 ... one of the things that happens to some... Well, it definitely happens to fighters. They, they retire and they get fat. They don't wanna work out anymore-

Shane Dorian 16:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:44 ... 'cause the, the working out was so torturous-

Shane Dorian 16:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:47 ... and it, it felt so much like work, that after it's over, whatever love they had for martial arts sort of goes out the window and they start putting on weight. They don't wanna, they don't wanna train anymore. But you, even after the competition was over, you kept the love.

Shane Dorian 17:01 Yeah. I, I, I just... Surfing is this unique thing. It's, I don't know how you can fall out of love with surfing. Surfing, surfing, I, when I, I mean, from the moment I stood on a surfboard and rode my first wave, I knew that was that, that was who I was in my DNA.

Joe Rogan 17:14 Wow.

Shane Dorian 17:15 Like pure and simple, this is, this is why, this is who I am, first wave. And-

Joe Rogan 17:20 My yoga teacher's become obsessed with DNA. With DNA. My yoga teacher's been a- become obsessed with, uh, surfing.

Shane Dorian 17:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:26 And all of her Instagram now is just surfing. She just surfs every day now.

Shane Dorian 17:29 It's so weird, but-

Joe Rogan 17:30 Out of nowhere and like 35 years old, she found surfing.

Shane Dorian 17:34 Surfing's a weird thing, but it takes, takes... It's, it's, uh, there's not very many things that are, that are really similar to surfing in that way, where you can fall in love with it being five years old or, or 80 years old.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Yeah. Well, I would think being a yoga teacher too, like she's got incredible balance, right?

Shane Dorian 17:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:50 Like having balance would probably-

Shane Dorian 17:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:52 ... really help your ability to pick that up.

Shane Dorian 17:55 You know what's cool about surfing, is it's, is it's, uh, you know, like if I, if I, uh, let's see. If I, if I took 100 people and said, "All you guys are gonna learn how to drive a race car."... and you had, like, a six-week course, just pure race car driving, 100... uh, 100 of those people are gonna become really good at driving cars and going super fast and racing. And they'll have this really accelerated learning curve and get pretty damn good at it. Snowboarding, yoga, like, almost anything. Surfing, I, I, like, I know people who have been surfing for three decades and they suck.

Joe Rogan 18:32 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 18:32 I'm serious.

Joe Rogan 18:34 What is it?

Shane Dorian 18:35 They've, they've never gotten a tube, like, in the tube.

Joe Rogan 18:37 Mm-hmm, right.

Shane Dorian 18:38 That's like the, that's like the Holy Grail of surfing, like riding inside the waves, like-

Joe Rogan 18:42 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 18:42 ... right in the center of it. Um, surfing's fricking hard, man. It's, like, it has... It's like, um... I don't know. It's, it's, uh... But it doesn't mean you have to be good to enjoy it. S- s- surfing's awesome no matter what level you're at, and that's the beauty of surfing. But surfing is hard to do, man. It's really hard to get good at. So, that's why you get people surfing, you know, five years and they're pretty good, and there's people who surf 50 years and they've never been good.

Joe Rogan 19:06 But what is... What is it? Is it a balance issue? Is it, um, ability to adjust, your, your ability to correct while things are happening? Like, what is it?

Shane Dorian 19:16 I think a lot of it is, like, body awareness.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Hmm.

Shane Dorian 19:19 And, and, and just adapting to something that's changing all the time. Like, say it's, like, you know, say for, for instance, like, basketball. The, you know, the hoop's there, the basketball's in your hands. It's nev- the, the elements never change. There, there's no variables, really-

Joe Rogan 19:32 Right.

Shane Dorian 19:33 ... besides some dude trying to block it. Or, or golf, you got the club, you got the ball, you got the hole. But with, with surfing, you got your board and you got you, but that wave's never the same. There's literally never... One wave's not the same to any others in the world. And so every single time, you're adapting to things that are changing in the real, in real time, like, up to the, like, millisecond. The, the wave's changing shape as you're riding it. So, you're... So, you're never, like, reacting to something that is gonna stay put. You're, like, anticipating the wave changing shape, and that's what you're gonna... Like, I'm gonna do a bottom turn into a, a, a big turn or an aerial maneuver or whatever it is. But you're not reacting to something that's happening now, you're reacting to the future. Does that make sense?

Joe Rogan 20:12 Yeah, it does make sense. Now, if I was a guy who had been surfing for 30 years and I sucked-

Shane Dorian 20:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:18 ... and I was friends with you-

Shane Dorian 20:18 You would still love it.

Joe Rogan 20:20 Still, really?

Shane Dorian 20:20 Yeah. Surfing's awesome. You can be the biggest kook in the world and have the most fun. That's w- why surfing's so cool.

Joe Rogan 20:25 Is that what someone who sucks is called, a kook?

Shane Dorian 20:27 No. Um, a, a kook is-

Joe Rogan 20:30 What's a kook?

Shane Dorian 20:30 A kook is someone who has, who has no awareness in the water.

Joe Rogan 20:34 Oh.

Shane Dorian 20:35 That's really what a kook is. Like, if-

Joe Rogan 20:36 A kook. (laughs)

Shane Dorian 20:37 Like, if... Like, if I'm out there surfing and I'm sitting out there and I'm waiting for a wave, and you paddle out, and I've been waiting for a wave for a long time, or some, some, some girl, 16-year-old girl is out there surfing. And she's been waiting for, you know, 15, 20 minutes, and you paddle out, and you paddle right past her. And the next wave that comes in, you just turn around and go, you're a kook.

Joe Rogan 20:57 Okay, so that's, that's-

Shane Dorian 20:58 If you're unaware of the situation, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:01 ... defining etiquette. That's just being-

Shane Dorian 21:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:02 That's how people get in fights surfing, right?

Shane Dorian 21:03 Oh, yeah, which is common.

Joe Rogan 21:05 Yeah. Um, well, a lot of surfers are really into jujitsu. Probably pretty dangerous-

Shane Dorian 21:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:11 ... to pick a fight with a surfer.

Shane Dorian 21:13 Oh, yeah. It is.

Joe Rogan 21:13 There's a... What, what is that one guy's name? Joel? (clicks tongue) Uh, from Hawaii.

Shane Dorian 21:18 Uh, he's from San Diego.

Joe Rogan 21:19 What's his name?

Shane Dorian 21:20 Joel Tudor.

Joe Rogan 21:20 Yes.

Shane Dorian 21:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:21 He's a Brazilian jujitsu blackbelt.

Shane Dorian 21:23 He is.

Joe Rogan 21:23 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 21:24 And you would never know it.

Joe Rogan 21:25 Yeah, he looks, like, so unassuming.

Shane Dorian 21:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:27 He looks like a guy who fixes computers.

Shane Dorian 21:29 He i- and he's, and he's a stoney baloney, super skinny-

Joe Rogan 21:33 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 21:34 ... hippie, cruisy dude with, like, stony eyes.

Joe Rogan 21:37 But he'll fuck you up.

Shane Dorian 21:38 He will fuck you up.

Joe Rogan 21:39 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 21:40 But he's cool, man. He's, he's awesome. And he's an incredible surfer.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 21:43 Incredible surfer.

Joe Rogan 21:44 I've seen some of the footage of him surfing.

Shane Dorian 21:46 Amazing style and stuff. But-

Joe Rogan 21:47 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 21:48 ... he's, he's, um, he's very unassuming.

Joe Rogan 21:50 There he is.

Shane Dorian 21:51 There's Joel.

Joe Rogan 21:51 His jujitsu is super legit too.

Shane Dorian 21:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:54 I've talked to people that have trained with him.

Shane Dorian 21:55 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:55 They say he's super legit.

Shane Dorian 21:57 He'll tie you up real quick.

Joe Rogan 21:58 And I would imagine that from that background, like surfing and that body awareness, and the ability to adjust and change, that's one of the things about jujitsu, is, like, every roll is different. You're, you have, you're rolling with different people, different sized people.

Shane Dorian 22:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:12 And your ability to adjust and change is always changing. I mean, there's always movement.

Shane Dorian 22:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:16 There's always weird-

Shane Dorian 22:16 That's exactly right.

Joe Rogan 22:17 You have to adapt to that w- weirdness of the movement.

Shane Dorian 22:19 So, jujitsu and surfing are, um, you know, they... Totally other similarities because you're, you're sorta anticipating the guy's next move-

Joe Rogan 22:25 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 22:25 ... which is very similar to surfing on the wave, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:28 Now-

Shane Dorian 22:28 You're reacting to what that guy's gonna do in the future, not to what happening right that, that very second, right, a lot of times.

Joe Rogan 22:33 Right. If I was a guy that had been surfing for 30 years and I sucked and I knew you, I'd be like, "Hey, Shane Dorian, what the fuck am I doing wrong? How do I fix this?"

Shane Dorian 22:45 Yeah, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 22:47 Is there fixing it?

Shane Dorian 22:48 Surfing's not like golf where you, where you need to get better all the time.

Joe Rogan 22:52 Hmm, right.

Shane Dorian 22:52 You know what I'm saying? Like, like if-

Joe Rogan 22:54 You could enjoy it even if you suck. Is that what you mean?

Shane Dorian 22:56 Like, if you're a golfer and you... And, and you're a- I'm, I'm, I'm not a golfer, but if you're a golfer and your average game is, like, an 82 and I said, "Joe, if you buy this putter for $1000, your average score will be an 80," you're gonna buy that, that putter, 'cause it's the fricking world to you to shave two strokes off your game.

Joe Rogan 23:13 Right.

Shane Dorian 23:14 That's the biggest thing in the world to improve. No one gives a shit if they're, they're s- slightly better at surfing. It's the... All you care about is, like, the... Is, like, waking up at the crack of dawn and having your coffee, cruising down to the beach, seeing the waves, and reading the tides and the wind and the... And, like, going surfing with your buddies and having fun. And then you go get breakfast and y- you get, get some breakfast tacos and go to work. That's the lifestyle that, like, keeps people sane, that's why they do it. They don't do it to get better or surf super good or go really fast. That, that stuff's fun, but... I mean, s- I don't have any more fun than a guy who surfs half as good as me. We have the same amount of fun.

Joe Rogan 23:52 Right. But I bet he wishes he could surf as good as you.

Shane Dorian 23:54 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 23:56 So-

Shane Dorian 23:56 And I wish I surfed as good as the best surfer on Earth, but it doesn't make it more fun, which is, that's, that's why I love surfing.

Joe Rogan 24:02 That's fascinating.

Shane Dorian 24:02 That's why it's so fun.

Joe Rogan 24:03 That's fascinating. So, what doesn't make it more if you wanna get better at it? If it doesn't make it more fun, what does it make it more? It does something.... if it doesn't make it more fun, does it make it more satisfying if you're better at it? Like, when you surf at a high level, which is im- important to you now, even though you-

Shane Dorian 24:19 It gives you more options because the waves get big.

Joe Rogan 24:22 Right.

Shane Dorian 24:22 So-

Joe Rogan 24:22 Which makes it seem more fun.

Shane Dorian 24:23 So it's really difficult to surf really big waves with, with really low ability.

Joe Rogan 24:27 Right. Oh, yeah.

Shane Dorian 24:28 So when the waves get big and really heavy and technical, you can't go out there unless you, you have really good ability level. Like, un- unless you have a high ability level, you c- you really, you really can't perform in really great, great conditions.

Joe Rogan 24:40 Right. So, like, when you see the, the crazy conditions where you guys get towed out and you ride those 80-foot waves-

Shane Dorian 24:47 For sure.

Joe Rogan 24:47 ... that kind of shit, no one who's goofy is doing that.

Shane Dorian 24:51 There's some goofy guys doing that-

Joe Rogan 24:52 Really?

Shane Dorian 24:52 ... because you're using machines-

Joe Rogan 24:53 Look at this.

Shane Dorian 24:53 ... to pull you into waves.

Joe Rogan 24:54 Is that you?

Shane Dorian 24:55 Yeah, that's me.

Joe Rogan 24:55 Oh, Jesus, Shane!

Narrator 24:56 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 24:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:56 Get out of there! Oh, fuck!

Shane Dorian 24:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:59 That just gives

Joe Rogan 25:00 me such anxiety, watching this. How big is that wave?

Shane Dorian 25:03 I don't know, probably 60 feet on the face at the start.

Joe Rogan 25:05 God damn, son. Oh.

Shane Dorian 25:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:08 What does that feel like right there when it's over?

Shane Dorian 25:10 This part's cool. Watch. I get air on the way down.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Oh, my God.

Shane Dorian 25:13 You'll see my board goes completely in the air. Right there.

Joe Rogan 25:16 Whoa! (laughs)

Shane Dorian 25:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:19 Dude! Dude, you are so high! That is so high.

Shane Dorian 25:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:21 That wave is so giant. It's like 40 feet above your head right now. Oh, my God. This gives me anxiety.

Shane Dorian 25:28 You know what's cool about surfing, is in those moments, like, there's very few things in the world other than, like... I don't know, I don't know how to relate that. But, um, like, that moment right there for me was like the pinnacle of, like, who I am, what I do best. That moment, that wave coming in at that, at that minute in my life where I was in right square foot of the ocean, when that wave came in, that was the best. That was one of the best days in history at that surf spot.

Joe Rogan 25:55 Wow.

Shane Dorian 25:55 Um, and I was there, I was prepared, I was healthy. I had the right board, the right equipment, the right energy level. I wasn't sick, I didn't have any... You know, everything was just lined up. And the waves were lined up, and the swell was lined up, and the wind was lined up, and the tide was lined up, and I was in a perfect spot when that wave came in.

Joe Rogan 26:10 Do you watch that video all the time?

Shane Dorian 26:11 No.

Narrator 26:12 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 26:12 But every time I do, I remember all those things because it seems so much, so, so much luck had to do with it. It was just like an alignment-

Joe Rogan 26:18 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 26:19 ... stars aligning.

Joe Rogan 26:20 That almost seems like something-

Narrator 26:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:21 ... I'd wanna watch every day. Like, right, get, get the day going.

Shane Dorian 26:24 You know your first kiss from a girl?

Joe Rogan 26:26 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 26:27 That's what that is.

Joe Rogan 26:28 Wow.

Shane Dorian 26:29 That (imitates explosion) like, mind blown.

Joe Rogan 26:31 Like, "Whoa!" (laughs)

Shane Dorian 26:33 This is, this is, like, an important moment in my life. I need to, like, have this moment in time frozen. That's what that is right there. And so, I think as an adult, you very rarely have those moments left. I mean, uh, like, really, like, mind-

Joe Rogan 26:45 Right.

Shane Dorian 26:45 ... expanding-

Joe Rogan 26:46 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 26:46 ... mind-exploding moments, where you're like, "Holy shit, this is life."

Joe Rogan 26:50 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 26:50 "100% life right now." And that's, that's what I think we're all chasing. You know what I mean? Those people sitting in traffic outside right now, driving the freeway, they're not having those moments.

Joe Rogan 26:58 I think that's-

Shane Dorian 26:59 Not right then.

Joe Rogan 26:59 ... that's a real problem.

Shane Dorian 27:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:01 That's a real problem with life, is that people aren't having enough of those moments.

Shane Dorian 27:04 And when you're 75 yards away from that elk-

Joe Rogan 27:07 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 27:07 ... a few weeks ago, and you had an hour to, to really think about what you were doing and where you were in your life, and h- you know, how you got to 75 yards away from this animal, and the whole year of practicing on the target and all the millions of arrows you shot, and all the preparation, a- and then this thing stands up and time's ticking. And that moment's there for the taking, and it's so easy to fuck up. And it, it all happens the way that you, you hope to visualize it. Th- Those moments don't happen very often, man.

Joe Rogan 27:39 No, they don't. Th- that is what, what a lot of people like yourself or myself are chasing. You're always chasing these, these-

Shane Dorian 27:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:48 ... above average moments, these high-level moments, these moments where you just, everything's elevated.

Shane Dorian 27:55 Yep.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Like, when you're drawing back on a, a big elk, there's not another thing in your mind. There's n- nothing on your mind other than your shot execution-

Shane Dorian 28:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:03 ... and getting it done, and everything's heightened, and all this, just pressure around you. Some guys shake. Like, I've seen some guys drawing back on an animal and their sh- their arms are shaking. Like, they're shaking.

Shane Dorian 28:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:14 Like, the, y- you see it in ... Everything's so much anticipation, they could barely keep it together. I mean, that's what target panic is, right? It's like, there's all this, this freak out juice.

Shane Dorian 28:23 Yeah. And there's different l- you know, there's, there's a lot of different levels.

Joe Rogan 28:26 Different levels. Yeah. Well-

Shane Dorian 28:26 I've, I've seen guys do that, where they had a perfect shot opportunity, animal's standing 20 yards away, broadside, exactly what you pray for, and they get in the shakes and they have to let down.

Joe Rogan 28:38 Wow.

Shane Dorian 28:38 Let down.

Joe Rogan 28:39 Wow.

Shane Dorian 28:39 They don't even take a bad shot. They let down and just like, "I can't do it. Just too much anxiety."

Joe Rogan 28:43 That's probably better than shooting, though.

Shane Dorian 28:45 Oh, it's much better.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 28:46 For sure.

Joe Rogan 28:46 That's smart.

Shane Dorian 28:47 Yeah. It's better for the animal.

Joe Rogan 28:48 That's a, that's a, that's an aware person.

Shane Dorian 28:49 Yep. It is.

Joe Rogan 28:51 You know? But, I mean, I think human beings are meant to have a lot of those kind of experiences. Those experiences make life richer and more satisfying.

Shane Dorian 28:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:59 You know? I mean, sounds ... Like, to people who love animals, like, "Oh, you piece of shit, you wanna kill an animal and that makes life better?" It's not that. Like, you're, you're ... I'm eating meat no matter what. I feel better when I eat meat. I'm, I believe it's healthier. I've had these discussions with nutritionists-

Shane Dorian 29:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:15 ... and s- and scientists, and I just think it's better for you.

Shane Dorian 29:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:18 I really do. And to, for me to get it that way is way better, because I'm getting my meat along with this insane hobby that's super difficult to do. I mean, I could go out and just shoot a bunch of pigs with a rifle, and, like, I could get my meat that way. And it would still be fun, it would still be thrilling, it would still be ethical. Wouldn't be the same though.

Shane Dorian 29:39 'Cause it's not the same experience.

Joe Rogan 29:41 No. Not the same experience.

Shane Dorian 29:42 So I mean, do you, s- do you, do you hunt 100% just for meat? You can get meat at the store. Like, the experience of that, of those moments out there with your friends and the, under the pressure and, and-

Joe Rogan 29:51 Mm-hmm.

Shane Dorian 29:52 ... and, and just putting yourself in that position where you, like, you need to make it count? That's, p- right? That's, that's part of our human existence. That's, that's part of what makes life worth living, is, is, is hav- having to, uh, I don't even know, but just ... Where, like ... (sniffs) You know, um ... I don't know.... but, yeah, I know what you mean.

Joe Rogan 30:15 You can get meat at the store, but you, you can't get wild elk at the store and you can't get it that way.

Shane Dorian 30:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:20 There's a big... There's just such a giant difference between your relationship with the meat that you're eating. When I take an elk steak out of the freezer and I defrost it-

Shane Dorian 30:30 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 30:30 ... and I season it, I-

Shane Dorian 30:31 Your food looks amazing, by the way. Like, really, really good.

Joe Rogan 30:33 I'm getting good at it.

Shane Dorian 30:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:34 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 30:34 You are getting good at it.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Well, w- the week after you were in, at elk camp in Utah-

Shane Dorian 30:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:39 ... we were there with Chad Ward.

Shane Dorian 30:40 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 30:41 Uh, Whiskey, Whiskey Bent BBQ on Instagram, who's a master chef.

Shane Dorian 30:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:45 I mean, he's a fucking wizard. He's a pitmaster. He wins, like, those world championships and shit.

Shane Dorian 30:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:50 And he taught me how to cook it properly.

Shane Dorian 30:52 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 30:53 And, you know, it's all about doing it slow and then searing it-

Shane Dorian 30:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:56 ... afterwards.

Shane Dorian 30:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:57 And you just maintain all the juiciness-

Shane Dorian 30:58 How many people screw that up?

Joe Rogan 31:00 Everybody.

Shane Dorian 31:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:01 Even one of the guides. One of the guides was talking to me about, you know, he s- he said wild game's kinda tough. And we were like, "Well, how are you cooking it?" He's like, "Well, I just throw it on the grill." Like, okay-

Shane Dorian 31:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:10 ... you can't do that. You can't just throw it on the grill.

Shane Dorian 31:11 Or they cook it on high heat too.

Joe Rogan 31:12 Yeah. High heat, yeah.

Shane Dorian 31:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Like, it's-

Shane Dorian 31:14 They basically sear it and then serve it.

Joe Rogan 31:16 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 31:16 I'm like, "What? This is not sashimi."

Joe Rogan 31:18 Yeah. Right. Well, you can... If you do it real thin-

Shane Dorian 31:22 Slice it crazy thin.

Joe Rogan 31:23 Yeah, you can cut it like that.

Shane Dorian 31:24 Like a carpaccio.

Joe Rogan 31:25 It's not bad.

Shane Dorian 31:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:26 But it's way better if you do it low and slow.

Shane Dorian 31:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:29 I've brought it down to 225 now. I like to cook it at 225.

Shane Dorian 31:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:33 I just set it at 225 and I'll, I'll cook a, an elk steak for, fucking, an hour.

Shane Dorian 31:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:39 You know? Whatever it takes.

Shane Dorian 31:40 You do that in Traeger?

Joe Rogan 31:41 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 31:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:41 'Cause you, if you set a Traeger at 225, you use a setting called Super Smoke.

Shane Dorian 31:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:45 And so it just fills that, the inside of the, of the smoker-

Shane Dorian 31:49 Those things are so good for wild game.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Oh, fantastic.

Shane Dorian 31:51 They really are. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:52 It's all just... The beautiful thing about them is... The people who don't know what we're talking about, a Traeger is a pellet grill. And these pellet grills... Like, this table's made out of oak, right? When they cut this table, they would take the sawdust from this table and they compress it, and just using the natural sugars in the wood, they create these pellets. And then these pellet grills, they have these, uh, worm drives that feed these pellets into a heating element. And the heating element, it just, it just gets hot, and then fire, and then a fan blows on the fire to keep the fire going and it's all computer controlled, so it calculates the exact same temperature and it maintains that temperature.

Shane Dorian 32:29 Those things are so good.

Joe Rogan 32:29 It's so good, but it's just so pure. It's just wood and fire. No gas.

Shane Dorian 32:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:34 No b- no chemicals, like on charcoal briquettes, or n- no bullshit.

Shane Dorian 32:39 Food tastes so good off the things too.

Joe Rogan 32:40 Fucking phenomenal.

Shane Dorian 32:41 Every time I, every time I have people over at my house and I cook wild game on my Traeger, I, I have these people like, "What the hell? I need to get one of these things."

Joe Rogan 32:47 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 32:47 I, my house has sold like a million of them right now.

Joe Rogan 32:48 (laughs) Once you learn-

Shane Dorian 32:49 They're good. Really good.

Joe Rogan 32:50 ... how to cook with them-

Shane Dorian 32:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:51 ... and learn how to do it correctly, they have those little ones now.

Shane Dorian 32:54 Especially wild game, because wild game is really easy to screw up.

Joe Rogan 32:56 Right.

Shane Dorian 32:56 And it's really hard to screw it up on a Traeger.

Joe Rogan 32:58 Right.

Shane Dorian 32:58 It really is.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Becau- because of the fact that it doesn't have much fat in it.

Shane Dorian 33:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:01 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 33:01 It doesn't dry it out, doesn't cook out the, you know, the moisture and the-

Joe Rogan 33:04 Right.

Shane Dorian 33:05 ... and the flavor.

Joe Rogan 33:05 Right, right. Do you take yours afterwards and set it in a cooler to let it rest?

Shane Dorian 33:10 I don't do that.

Joe Rogan 33:11 That's next level.

Shane Dorian 33:12 Is it?

Joe Rogan 33:12 That's next level.

Shane Dorian 33:13 See?

Joe Rogan 33:13 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 33:13 I'm getting gems here.

Joe Rogan 33:14 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 33:14 I'm getting, I'm getting gold.

Joe Rogan 33:16 This, this is from Dudley. Uh, what he does is, he'll sear it and then he'll cover it with aluminum foil-

Shane Dorian 33:21 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 33:22 ... and put it in a Traeger. Or put it in a Yeti, rather. Put it in a cooler.

Shane Dorian 33:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:26 And close, seal that cooler up for, like, 10 minutes. And it's basically-

Shane Dorian 33:29 But what's in the cooler besides the meat?

Joe Rogan 33:30 Nothing.

Shane Dorian 33:31 There's no, like, a little-

Joe Rogan 33:32 It's the heat.

Shane Dorian 33:32 ... like, ice packer in there?

Joe Rogan 33:33 No, no.

Shane Dorian 33:33 To cool it down?

Joe Rogan 33:34 You don't want ice. You don't want ice.

Shane Dorian 33:34 You just let it sit?

Joe Rogan 33:35 You let it... It's actually c- still cooking a little bit.

Shane Dorian 33:37 Okay, so I let it sit.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 33:38 I let it sit, but I don't, I don't wrap it up in foil.

Joe Rogan 33:40 But if you wrap it in aluminum foil and then let it sit inside a cooler-

Shane Dorian 33:44 Gotcha.

Joe Rogan 33:44 ... the cooler actually allows it to continue cooking-

Shane Dorian 33:47 Gotcha.

Joe Rogan 33:47 ... just a little bit.

Shane Dorian 33:48 Okay, so how many degrees do you take it out before it-

Joe Rogan 33:50 115.

Shane Dorian 33:51 115.

Joe Rogan 33:51 I like to take it out at 115 and then I sear the outside of it, and then I seal it up with aluminum foil, and then I put it in the, the Yeti, and I let it sit in that Yeti for 10 minutes. So it's continuing to slowly cook, slowly cook. See, if you take something warm and you put it in a Yeti, it'll keep it warm.

Shane Dorian 34:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:08 And if you take something cold, it just insulates.

Shane Dorian 34:10 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:10 In- incredibly, fantastically insulated.

Shane Dorian 34:12 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:12 And so it works with heat or with cold.

Shane Dorian 34:14 All right, all right, all right. I'm gonna try it.

Joe Rogan 34:16 Talk to Dudley.

Shane Dorian 34:17 (laughs) I will.

Joe Rogan 34:18 He, he's the wizard at this stuff. He, he, you know... I mean, and he's constantly cooking wild game. He essentially, that's all he does.

Shane Dorian 34:23 He's a good cook.

Joe Rogan 34:24 He's a very good cook.

Shane Dorian 34:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Have you ever been to his place?

Shane Dorian 34:26 Well, he should be. He freaking... He does a lot of hunting, he better be doing a lot of cooking too.

Joe Rogan 34:30 Yeah. He just drove all the way from Oklahoma to Kansas. He, he shot a deer in Kansas, drove from... Or, not Kansas, Oklahoma. Shot a deer in Oklahoma, drove all through the night in Oklahoma, and parked his truck and got into a, a, a blind in Iowa. I mean, he just lives it.

Shane Dorian 34:49 He's hardcore.

Joe Rogan 34:51 He's as hardcore as you get.

Shane Dorian 34:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:53 But that's all he eats. I mean-

Shane Dorian 34:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:54 ... he's, he's constantly eating deer and cooking deer.

Shane Dorian 34:57 And, and he loves cooking for other people.

Joe Rogan 34:59 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 34:59 Like, like large

Shane Dorian 35:00 groups of friends and family, and he's always cooking and entertaining. I, I, I, I love that about him. Like, when, when we were on Lanai, he'd cook for, like, 10 of us.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Yeah. Yeah, that was awesome.

Shane Dorian 35:09 Incredible meals. And everything was wild game. It was just freaking awesome.

Joe Rogan 35:12 That Lanai trip, man.

Shane Dorian 35:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:14 That is the... I look forward to that every year.

Shane Dorian 35:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:16 It's like the highlight of my year.

Shane Dorian 35:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:17 You know? When are we doing it this year?

Shane Dorian 35:19 I know, right? We gotta talk dates.

Joe Rogan 35:20 We gotta figure out, yeah.

Shane Dorian 35:21 We gotta talk dates.

Joe Rogan 35:22 We gotta figure out the dates. 'Cause that last year was so amazing to have everybody down there and-

Shane Dorian 35:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:27 ... you know, and everybody just-

Shane Dorian 35:28 Such a good crew.

Joe Rogan 35:29 Oh, it was so fucking cool.

Shane Dorian 35:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:30 You know, Green Tree and Cam and... Yeah, it's, it's just awesome. And then the first, first year we invented the Cat Lady drink.

Shane Dorian 35:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:38 (laughs) That one ridiculous podcast.

Shane Dorian 35:38 It's lived on 2000s... Yeah. That was ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 35:41 I don't know, I think Dudley might be still drinking it. I don't think anybody else is.

Shane Dorian 35:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:44 It kinda died off. Red Bull and wine and, what was it, tequila?

Shane Dorian 35:49 That was a lot.

Joe Rogan 35:50 Oh.

Shane Dorian 35:50 A little bit ambitious. That was, uh-

Joe Rogan 35:52 Fucking nasty as it was.

Shane Dorian 35:53 That was a Dudley, that was a Dudley concoction.

Joe Rogan 35:55 Yeah, he was already hammered, and he was just raiding my minibar, just taking whatever's in there and pouring it on-

Shane Dorian 35:59 Oh, he's like a mad scientist with liquors, isn't he?

Joe Rogan 36:02 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 36:02 He's not afraid. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:03 That was such a fun podcast though. We were all-

Shane Dorian 36:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:06 ... just enjoying... And there's something about Lanai too, where you can hunt in paradise.

Shane Dorian 36:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:11 I mean, and it's such a small island. It's like, you, you just... There's not very many people there.

Shane Dorian 36:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:16 The whole island only has 3,000 humans.

Shane Dorian 36:19 And a shitload of deer.

Joe Rogan 36:21 Crazy.

Shane Dorian 36:21 Around every bush it see- it seems like sometimes.

Joe Rogan 36:24 Yeah. It's-

Shane Dorian 36:24 That's the great thing, is it's so easy to screw up.... hunting those axis deer, especially with a bow, that it's so neat to go and, like, find your arrow and then, you know, five minutes later you got a whole nother group to stalk.

Joe Rogan 36:34 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 36:35 It's awesome.

Joe Rogan 36:35 Well, it's also the most ethical form of hunting-

Shane Dorian 36:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:38 ... 'cause they literally need to be hunted.

Shane Dorian 36:40 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:40 They have to be. They don't have any predators. It's a str- and it's, it's not something that some person who is a greedy person said, "Oh, I'm gonna put all these deer on this island and then I'm gonna go hunt 'em." No, they were, they were brought there from a gift for King Kamehameha-

Shane Dorian 36:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:53 ... in the 1800s.

Shane Dorian 36:55 And it doesn't take a wildlife biologist to tell you that the numbers will get outta hand if you don't hunt them.

Joe Rogan 36:59 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 37:00 Like, when you're there, it's really obvious. That's a perfect example of, of, of how somewhere needs to be managed. And-

Joe Rogan 37:06 Yeah. And I know those guys on Maui have that project going on where they're hunting deer and then-

Shane Dorian 37:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:11 ... they're giving the meat to poor people and-

Shane Dorian 37:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:14 ... which is the best meat in the world. I mean, it's such fan-

Shane Dorian 37:16 I agree.

Joe Rogan 37:17 Axis deer is so delicious. And-

Shane Dorian 37:19 That's a great program.

Joe Rogan 37:20 It's a fantastic program.

Shane Dorian 37:22 Really good pro- yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:22 What is the name of that? It's got some crazy name.

Shane Dorian 37:24 That's, uh, that's Jake Meuse and the-

Joe Rogan 37:26 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 37:26 ... and the Kahikinui Project.

Joe Rogan 37:28 Yeah, that's the name.

Shane Dorian 37:28 The Kahikinui Project.

Joe Rogan 37:30 See, you're, you're from Hawaii. You can spit those words out.

Shane Dorian 37:32 Yeah, Kai-

Joe Rogan 37:33 My mouth is like, uh-

Shane Dorian 37:34 Kahikinui. Yeah. It's funny, it's, uh-

Joe Rogan 37:37 Yeah, it is.

Shane Dorian 37:37 You should have Jake on the show. He's, he's a, he's a really good dude and he's got some great stories and he's really well-educated and knows his business really well. So he started a meat company.

Joe Rogan 37:46 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 37:46 So he does eradication in Hawaii because it needs to be done and needs to be managed, so.

Joe Rogan 37:50 And they're on Maui, right?

Shane Dorian 37:51 Yeah. And so he, you know, he wanted to, you know, to be able to actually utilize that meat because, you know, these big ranches and golf courses and stuff, they, they actually pay him to come in there and do it. And so he actually flipped it and figured out a way to start a meat company. So it's like a win-win situation because the deer need to be managed and, you know, he's feeding people. And then, and then the Kahikinui Project's totally different. Like, he doesn't have a meat company for that, but he's able to harvest the animals in a really good way and then he's able to utilize that meat by giving it to families who need it.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 38:21 Simple as that.

Joe Rogan 38:22 I mean, it's just phenomenal.

Shane Dorian 38:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:24 And it's, it's-

Shane Dorian 38:24 It's great.

Joe Rogan 38:24 Again, it's meat that people would pay a shitload of money for. It would be... Like, if, if, if you could buy commercially raised axis deer, it would be one of the most prized meats 'cause it's such an unusual flavor. It's extremely delicious.

Shane Dorian 38:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:40 And people that don't like wild game and they're like, "Oh, I'm not really into venison." I would like to cook axis deer for them. I'd be like, "Just let me cook this for you-"

Shane Dorian 38:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:47 "... and tell me what you think." 'Cause I've cooked it for... Like, I cooked it for my mother-in-law and she, she was, she like took one bite of it and raised her eyebrows and she goes-

Shane Dorian 38:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:54 ... "What is this?" And I'm like, "It's axis deer." She's like, "What kinda deer is that?" And I had to show her a picture of it. She goes, "This is unbelievable."

Shane Dorian 39:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:01 "So delicious."

Shane Dorian 39:03 It's cool to baffle somebody with wild game.

Joe Rogan 39:05 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 39:05 If, if you can, if you can cook it right. Especially axis deer. Geez, it's incredible. And how beautiful they are. Are they just in general? Just walking around and then when you get one, they're like... I don't know, just incredible animals. I, I think they're my favorite.

Joe Rogan 39:17 The, your favorite to hunt?

Shane Dorian 39:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:18 Well, what I like about them is we generally go on this axis deer hunt like a couple of months before elk season so you get all the jitters outta the way, 'cause they are, they are like seven times faster than you think an animal that size can be.

Shane Dorian 39:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Like when they move, you're like, "How did you- how did it even do that?" Like, how does something move that fast that's that big?

Shane Dorian 39:40 Matrix, dude. Straight Matrix.

Joe Rogan 39:41 Straight Matrix, yeah.

Shane Dorian 39:43 And the axis-

Joe Rogan 39:43 Ducking arrows.

Shane Dorian 39:44 I'm probably gonna piss some people off by saying this, but the axis deer in Hawaii are different.

Joe Rogan 39:48 How so?

Shane Dorian 39:48 Axis deer in Hawaii are different. Benny O'Brien, when we were on Lanai and he was hunting axis deer, he had... It was very challenging. Very, very challenging. They were ducking arrows and Matrixing. He just, he was having a hard time and he went back to... He went back home, back to Texas, back to the drawing board and said, "Okay, I gotta, I gotta go hunting." He went and hunted axis deer first morning, shot a huge buck and he called me and he goes, "I shot a huge buck." And he goes, "But I, I gotta tell you, they're fucking different in Texas, dude." (laughs) The deer just don't react the same way. I mean, in, in Hawaii, Hawaiians, there's, there's no season. They're, the Hawaiians are eating that meat 365 days a year. They're, they're hunting them with high-powered rifles all year long, M- Maui, Molokai, Lanai. And, uh, those deer are... They just react like crazy.

Joe Rogan 40:38 Yeah, they're living in hell.

Shane Dorian 40:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:40 I mean, every day they're getting-

Shane Dorian 40:41 They're living in paradise, but-

Joe Rogan 40:42 They're living in paradise that's also hell.

Shane Dorian 40:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:43 Every day they're getting shot at.

Shane Dorian 40:45 There's, there's a good reason they're paranoid.

Joe Rogan 40:46 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 40:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:47 Yeah. I mean-

Shane Dorian 40:48 And Ben said in Texas they were just like head down, feeding, chilling. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:52 They had no idea.

Shane Dorian 40:53 And that's like... He was like, "Dude, it's like a different breed."

Joe Rogan 40:54 That's... But he was also there th- during the rut too.

Shane Dorian 40:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:57 They must get a little bit more relaxed during the rut.

Shane Dorian 40:59 For sure. And I'm sure they're switched on in Texas, but-

Joe Rogan 41:02 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 41:02 ... in, uh, in, in Hawaii they're hyper switched on.

Joe Rogan 41:04 If anybody ever wanted to understand human biology, like male versus female biology, they should see deer and elk in the rut.

Shane Dorian 41:12 Yep.

Joe Rogan 41:13 To see animals in the rut that normally would be super spooky, afraid of everything, jumping at every snapped twig, and they're just walking right up to people. Like, they don't know what's going on. They're in a horny fog.

Shane Dorian 41:24 Oh, yeah. They'll see right through you.

Joe Rogan 41:26 You see that video? Yeah, you ever seen that video of the guy who taps the deer on the antlers with his, with his arrow? He's got an arrow and there's a deer in front of him, he just taps it on the antlers.

Shane Dorian 41:33 I think I did see that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:34 And the deer's like, "What?"

Shane Dorian 41:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:35 "What?"

Shane Dorian 41:36 Think that would ever happen if it wasn't right in the mating season?

Joe Rogan 41:38 No. Yeah, once, once they get those throbbing boners, they don't know what the fuck's going on.

Shane Dorian 41:42 No.

Joe Rogan 41:42 They're just wandering around.

Shane Dorian 41:43 I saw an elk actually having sex this year. You ever seen that in real life?

Joe Rogan 41:47 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 41:47 Up close? Like, not through your binoculars?

Joe Rogan 41:49 Yeah, I saw it once.

Shane Dorian 41:50 I saw one at like 30 yards and this elk... And they, they mount- they get up and mount and then they go bam.

Joe Rogan 41:55 Bam. (laughs)

Shane Dorian 41:55 One big thrust.

Joe Rogan 41:56 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 41:57 I was like, "That's how they get down?"

Joe Rogan 41:58 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 41:58 Like, that's crazy. That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 42:01 Yeah, it's literally like a power double.

Shane Dorian 42:03 And he was so... Yes, and he was so proud of himself and then he got down and he was just like, "Shit, yes."

Joe Rogan 42:07 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 42:08 "Got that." And he moved on. There was like 20 other, um-

Joe Rogan 42:12 Ugh.

Shane Dorian 42:12 ... 20 other cows right there that he had to, he had to service.

Joe Rogan 42:15 Ugh, it's ridiculous. Just wandering around. Yeah, I saw it from about 60 yards out. It's, um-

Shane Dorian 42:20 Yeah, it's crazy, right?

Joe Rogan 42:22 It's, it's a fascinating experience just to be around them when they're behaving like that. They're screaming and yelling at each other and, and rutting and mating, 'cause it only happens once a year for those animals.... oh, we're gonna see it right here. He gets-

Shane Dorian 42:36 Oh, my God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:36 ... on top, look at him.

Shane Dorian 42:37 Yep.

Joe Rogan 42:37 Here, do this, this, this, this, yeah, boom!

Shane Dorian 42:40 Wow.

Joe Rogan 42:41 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 42:42 (laughs) It's very, it's very climactic. Very-

Joe Rogan 42:45 I would wonder how accurate it is.

Shane Dorian 42:47 It's gotta be accurate, man. They gotta line it up.

Joe Rogan 42:50 Yeah. I mean, I guess.

Shane Dorian 42:50 Can you see him lining that up?

Joe Rogan 42:52 I guess he's lining it up, but does he really know what he's doing? He only does it once every six months. Or once every 11 months.

Shane Dorian 42:59 Must be frustrating, huh?

Joe Rogan 43:00 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 43:00 You can see why they all fight each other for it.

Joe Rogan 43:02 They rut for about a month, right?

Shane Dorian 43:04 Yea- yeah. But-

Joe Rogan 43:05 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 43:05 ... how cool is it how one bull, if he's a badass and a good fighter, he can ha- Like, the first bull that I actually arrowed with my bow, he had a harem of 45 cows. One bull. And there was, like, three satellite bulls, but there was one bull, and he had 45 cows with him that he was herding that were his girlfriends.

Joe Rogan 43:30 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 43:31 And they're all basically in heat.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 43:33 So they're, they're, like, relying on him to service all of them 45 cows. And I, from what I hear, there's places where it's like, there's like one bull for 80 cows. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 43:44 It's a lot of work.

Shane Dorian 43:45 It's a lot of work.

Joe Rogan 43:46 It's too much.

Shane Dorian 43:46 That'd be exhausting.

Joe Rogan 43:47 You really want, like, three.

Shane Dorian 43:49 That's like, that's like Dan Bilzerian.

Joe Rogan 43:51 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 43:52 Is that his name?

Joe Rogan 43:52 Uh, yeah. (laughs)

Shane Dorian 43:54 He's like a human bull.

Joe Rogan 43:55 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 43:55 Bull elk.

Joe Rogan 43:56 Very, very similar. You know, isn't that his fucking logo? The little bull?

Shane Dorian 43:58 Did you have him on your show?

Joe Rogan 44:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shane Dorian 44:00 That's so good.

Joe Rogan 44:01 He's always invited me to parties. I'm like, "Listen, man. I'm married. I can't go to your fucking parties."

Shane Dorian 44:06 That s- that seems pointless.

Joe Rogan 44:07 I just can't. (laughs)

Shane Dorian 44:07 That just seems pointless to go to a party of, of his if you're married.

Joe Rogan 44:10 I think his, his logo is a bull. Not a bull elk, but a bull.

Shane Dorian 44:14 I think it's a goat.

Joe Rogan 44:15 Is it a goat?

Shane Dorian 44:16 It's a goat.

Joe Rogan 44:17 Really?

Shane Dorian 44:17 Yeah, I think so. Who, so-

Joe Rogan 44:20 Oh, yeah. It is a goat.

Shane Dorian 44:21 Who's, like-

Joe Rogan 44:21 Who's your-

Shane Dorian 44:21 It's a Mouflon, right?

Joe Rogan 44:23 That's what it looks like.

Shane Dorian 44:24 A Mouflon's a sheep.

Joe Rogan 44:25 For Ignite.

Shane Dorian 44:25 But yeah. That's a goat, I think.

Joe Rogan 44:28 Hm.

Shane Dorian 44:28 But, uh, so this is super random. Who's the best podcast you ever had?

Joe Rogan 44:34 (sighs) Every time I think I have the best podcast, we'll have another one that's better.

Shane Dorian 44:40 I don't know-

Joe Rogan 44:40 Don't know.

Shane Dorian 44:40 ... talked to someone that I respect recently, and they said that the Elon Musk one was the best podcast ever.

Joe Rogan 44:46 It's pretty damn good.

Shane Dorian 44:46 In history.

Joe Rogan 44:47 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 44:48 That one was rad.

Joe Rogan 44:49 Whatever, v- best podcast in history.

Shane Dorian 44:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:51 That's strong words.

Shane Dorian 44:51 Best podcast ever been made.

Joe Rogan 44:53 Well, he's such a unique mind. I mean, he just so, they just, he just posted a video of one of the Boring Tunnels first, uh, completed tunnels, and so the Boring Company-

Shane Dorian 45:05 Let's see that video.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Yeah. It's an insanely long tunnel through LA.

Shane Dorian 45:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:09 And they, they've been doing this only for a few months.

Shane Dorian 45:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:12 But apparently in December, they're gonna start doing this. Like, look how long this is. This is inside LA. I mean, this is an actual-

Shane Dorian 45:20 This is act-

Joe Rogan 45:20 ... completed, real tunnel that's underneath LA right now.

Shane Dorian 45:24 Okay, can we talk about how there's no, like a, like a, like a prototype that we heard about? Is like, all of a sudden he was just ... Like, h- h- how do you get up ... Who owns the land underneath?

Joe Rogan 45:32 That's a real good question. I, I don't think he understood what I was asking when I asked him that. I'm like, "How do you, how do you do this? Like, who do you ask to do this?" Like, "Well, I call my project manager."

Shane Dorian 45:41 Like, all of a sudden he's ...

Joe Rogan 45:41 I'm like, "No, but there's gotta be someone."

Shane Dorian 45:42 They started digging shit. (laughs) They're digging-

Joe Rogan 45:43 You're under someone's house. Yeah.

Shane Dorian 45:45 (laughs) It's under a city.

Joe Rogan 45:45 Like, what if someone decides to make a l- a well, and they wanna dig under their house to make a well, and they go through the roof of your tunnel? Are they allowed to?

Shane Dorian 45:52 I love that there's humans like him that are thinking on such a massive scale.

Joe Rogan 45:57 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 45:57 That are trying to fix the biggest problems that humans are facing, that have tons of dough.

Joe Rogan 46:03 Well, guys like you, guys like you are out there riding waves, and I'm telling dick jokes.

Shane Dorian 46:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:07 And this guy's digging holes under the Earth.

Shane Dorian 46:10 Yep.

Joe Rogan 46:11 I mean, he's also sending cars into space, right? He sent his own car. He shot it into space. He's got SpaceX. He's talking about colonizing Mars. He's got a Tesla company that makes the best electric cars on the planet Earth. I mean, he's got so many different things going on simultaneously. I just don't understand his capacity for work.

Shane Dorian 46:32 He's trying f- uh, he's trying to fix the energy, you know, the energy problem to-

Joe Rogan 46:37 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 46:38 ... with, you know, you know, getting energy from, from the sun to, to power your house, to power your car, p- power the cities and, you know, like, just f- it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 46:47 He makes solar panels now that are actually tiles for your roof, for your house.

Shane Dorian 46:51 I saw that. A solar roof.

Joe Rogan 46:52 Yeah. Incredible. Like, you, you replace the tiles on your roof with these solar tiles.

Shane Dorian 46:56 Solar's fricking cool, dude. I just got it on my house. I, I got, I got it on my house and, and I have one of those Tesla Powerwall 2 batteries. That thing's insane. And it's got, like, this crazy smart algorithm that knows when, like, a hurricane's coming to Hawaii, and it'll, like, power up my, my, my battery to 100%, even if I'm not home, even if I'm not watching The Weather Channel. It just does it automatically 'cause it knows it might need to back up my house.

Joe Rogan 47:18 Wow.

Shane Dorian 47:19 So my, all my elk doesn't go bad in my freezer.

Joe Rogan 47:22 So are you on the grid, or are you off the grid?

Shane Dorian 47:24 I'm on the grid. But it-

Joe Rogan 47:25 But you have the solar power as well.

Shane Dorian 47:27 But, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:27 As a backup.

Shane Dorian 47:28 Yeah. Yeah, so do-

Joe Rogan 47:28 So do you ... Your power comes from the, the, the solar, and you could sell some of it back to the grid?

Shane Dorian 47:34 No, mine-

Joe Rogan 47:34 They do that?

Shane Dorian 47:35 No, they used to do that in Hawaii, but I think they stopped it.

Joe Rogan 47:38 Oh, okay.

Shane Dorian 47:38 'Cause the power companies weren't down with solar really. It's like-

Joe Rogan 47:42 It's hard to establish solar.

Shane Dorian 47:43 Yeah. It is.

Joe Rogan 47:44 Like, it's hard to get permits and everything to have your house set up. Like, they, they try to make it kinda difficult for you.

Shane Dorian 47:48 They try to make it very difficult.

Joe Rogan 47:50 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 47:50 Yeah, but I, it's pretty cool though. I've, I've offset my, my, my power needs with solar by, like, 80%.

Joe Rogan 47:55 Wow.

Shane Dorian 47:56 It's great.

Joe Rogan 47:57 So you could conceivably just exist purely on solar?

Shane Dorian 48:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:01 Now, you're on the Big Island.

Shane Dorian 48:03 Yep.

Joe Rogan 48:03 Now, while all this fucking crazy volcano shit is going down-

Shane Dorian 48:06 How's that?

Joe Rogan 48:07 ... are you freaking out about that at all?

Shane Dorian 48:09 Not freaking out. I was freaking out.

Joe Rogan 48:11 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 48:11 So, so I live on the west side in Kona. The volcano's on the east side.

Joe Rogan 48:18 So is the east side, is that near, like-

Shane Dorian 48:20 Just south of Hilo.

Joe Rogan 48:21 Okay.

Shane Dorian 48:23 And that's where the, the, man, that's where the volcano was, but the w- the wind, like the trade winds blow east to west.

Joe Rogan 48:29 Mm-hmm.

Shane Dorian 48:29 So-... so where I live, it looked like Shanghai for, like, three months.

Joe Rogan 48:35 Whoa.

Shane Dorian 48:35 The, the air sucked like crazy. It was like LA smog times 10. And it freaked me out. I started to-

Joe Rogan 48:41 They call that vog, right?

Shane Dorian 48:42 Vog. Vol-

Joe Rogan 48:43 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 48:43 Like, yeah, like, like volcanic haze. And-

Joe Rogan 48:45 Yeah. My daughter is severely allergic to that.

Shane Dorian 48:48 Really?

Joe Rogan 48:49 Yeah. We went to a store on the Big Island. We, we, uh, were staying at the Four Seasons and we left and went down to a store to get something for her cell phone. She came with me and she just starts sneezing and sniffling.

Shane Dorian 49:00 Mm.

Joe Rogan 49:01 And her eyes were puffing up. I'm like, "You okay? Like, what's going on? Are you sick?" She's like, "I don't know what's going on." And the guy at the counter said that, "Oh, it's probably the vog."

Shane Dorian 49:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:09 And I said, "What the fuck is the vog?"

Shane Dorian 49:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:11 He's like, "It's v- volcanic smog."

Shane Dorian 49:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:14 And it just ef- it didn't bother me at all.

Shane Dorian 49:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:16 But with her, she's allergic to cats and s- a couple other things-

Shane Dorian 49:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:19 ... like s- make her sniffle.

Shane Dorian 49:21 It was bad for about three months where I live.

Joe Rogan 49:22 Whoa.

Shane Dorian 49:22 It was horrible. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:24 That's what it-

Shane Dorian 49:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:25 ... looked like? That's insane.

Shane Dorian 49:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:26 That does look like... That looks like Beijing.

Shane Dorian 49:28 You know, and the crazy thing was it... You know, like, if the, if the, if the wind goes the wrong way, then like Maui, Oahu, uh, it's, it's all voggy, like, all throughout Hawaii. But it was basically, like, the, that whole, uh, t- the v- th- the volcano essentially had a crazy eruption for about three and a half months.

Joe Rogan 49:47 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 49:47 And then now th- it just stopped and the air quality's incredible where I live now.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Really?

Shane Dorian 49:51 Yeah. Just-

Joe Rogan 49:52 So it blew off?

Shane Dorian 49:52 Blue skies, crystal clear, like, just insane sunsets, sunrises. Uh, it's just beautiful.

Joe Rogan 49:59 So what did geologists say?

Shane Dorian 50:00 Best air quality in 10 years.

Joe Rogan 50:02 Really?

Shane Dorian 50:02 For sure. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:03 Why is that?

Shane Dorian 50:04 I don't know. Because th- there, the, there was, like, a constant eruption for, like, 25 years-

Joe Rogan 50:08 Uh-huh.

Shane Dorian 50:09 ... on the Big Island. But it was just kind of small, but it was continuously going.

Joe Rogan 50:12 Right.

Shane Dorian 50:13 But now, it's like, like nearly shut down completely, so there's hardly any kind of s- anything going in the air.

Joe Rogan 50:18 So the volcano blew its load.

Shane Dorian 50:20 It did.

Joe Rogan 50:21 And now-

Shane Dorian 50:21 Kinda like that elk.

Joe Rogan 50:22 Yeah. (elk call) Bang.

Shane Dorian 50:24 It was, it was, it was lining us up for a while and just big old bang.

Joe Rogan 50:27 Wow. So the vog's gone, so now it's probably a good time to go there.

Shane Dorian 50:31 It's a very good time.

Joe Rogan 50:32 Wow. Does-

Shane Dorian 50:32 Come over and visit.

Joe Rogan 50:33 Does it fuck with the, uh, tour-

Shane Dorian 50:34 That's, that's why I texted you, just said, "Come over and hunt."

Joe Rogan 50:37 I was like, "Oh, dude."

Shane Dorian 50:38 "We're going hunting."

Joe Rogan 50:39 I ain't getting hit in the head by a giant chunk of lava.

Shane Dorian 50:41 (laughs) Oh, my God, dude, did you hear about the freaking boat that had a big, like, a lava, m- m- like a-

Joe Rogan 50:48 Boulder?

Shane Dorian 50:48 ... lava boulder-

Joe Rogan 50:49 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 50:50 ... go, go through the roof of it?

Joe Rogan 50:51 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 50:51 It was, like, a spectator boat. Like a-

Joe Rogan 50:53 Yeah, they were-

Shane Dorian 50:53 ... like a tourist boat.

Joe Rogan 50:54 ... watching the volcano.

Shane Dorian 50:55 Psycho, dude.

Joe Rogan 50:56 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 50:56 They were so close.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Yeah. Whoa.

Shane Dorian 50:58 Do you have a photo of that, Jamie, that you can bring up? It's nuts. These-

Joe Rogan 51:01 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 51:01 ... these tour boat companies, it, they're, they're, uh, just pretty opportunistic, you know? It's, it's not-

Joe Rogan 51:06 Oh, look at that hole.

Shane Dorian 51:07 ... it's not easy to make a living on the Big Island. And so you get these-

Joe Rogan 51:10 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 51:10 ... people who all wanna go see the, the eruption, that, all the lava going into the water.

Joe Rogan 51:14 Oh, that's-

Shane Dorian 51:15 If you can look for a photo of the boat near the eruption, there's, there's some images of, like, this, these boats that were, like, they look like they're, like, 50 feet away from this mega eruption like crazy. Really scary stuff, but you don't wanna mess with lava, man.

Joe Rogan 51:31 Yeah, and especially when it's, it's spitting things out into the air. Look at that.

Narrator 51:37 Watch as molten rock as-

Shane Dorian 51:38 The earth's pissed, dude.

Joe Rogan 51:40 Oh, that's when it happened.

Narrator 51:41 ... causes eruptions to spew into the air off the coast of Hawaii's Big Island Monday.

Joe Rogan 51:45 Well, back that up a hair. I wanna watch it fly through the air and hit them, and then I wanna think, "What would I do?" Look at it flying through the air.

Shane Dorian 51:54 The time to think about-

Joe Rogan 51:55 Woo.

Shane Dorian 51:55 ... what you would do is before-

Joe Rogan 51:57 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 51:57 ... you get on the boat.

Joe Rogan 51:58 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 51:59 Once you're-

Joe Rogan 51:59 Like, how-

Shane Dorian 51:59 ... on that boat, you're, you're just locked in, dude.

Joe Rogan 52:02 That's crazy. The hole in the fucking boat roof-

Narrator 52:06 And the crosswinds-

Joe Rogan 52:06 ... when you see the redness in the hole of the boat, just the hot shit just tore right through the roof.

Shane Dorian 52:12 Well, and all, all, all these tour boat guys are competing, right? They're, they're like jockeying for position to get the closest-

Joe Rogan 52:20 Oh.

Shane Dorian 52:20 ... unobstructed view so everyone can take videos and post it on their Instagram.

Joe Rogan 52:26 Wow.

Shane Dorian 52:26 But you're-

Joe Rogan 52:27 23 people injured.

Shane Dorian 52:29 Okay, let's talk about if one of those, like, little, like, lava nuggets just happened to fly to you, just blow a hole right through you.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Yeah, what if it hit someone in the head? How about the guy next to you is headless-

Shane Dorian 52:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:40 ... and you're sitting there with your fucking camera out trying to get a selfie for Instagram? (laughs)

Shane Dorian 52:45 But the thing is that everybody trips out and like, "Oh, my God. This is unprecedented. This lava just... Can you believe this lava, this volcano is happening?" I'm like, "Fuck, dude. Are you kidding me?" We live on an active volcano. That's where we live. I've... Born and raised on this island.

Joe Rogan 52:57 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 52:57 It's been er- erupting almost every day since I was born.

Joe Rogan 53:00 True, right?

Shane Dorian 53:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:01 Yeah, most of your life-

Shane Dorian 53:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 53:03 ... that thing's been erupting.

Shane Dorian 53:04 Yep.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 53:05 You can go almost any time of the year any year and see lava.

Joe Rogan 53:08 Phew. I found out about-

Shane Dorian 53:09 It's pretty cool. I l-

Joe Rogan 53:10 ... Kona because, uh, Terence McKenna used to live in Kona.

Shane Dorian 53:14 Who's that?

Joe Rogan 53:14 You don't know who Terence McKenna is?

Shane Dorian 53:15 No.

Joe Rogan 53:16 He's a very famous psychedelic... I guess you would call him a psychedelic speaker, a scholar.

Shane Dorian 53:21 Mm.

Joe Rogan 53:22 He's a... He was a botanist who, um... An ethnobotanist who set up this place in Kona and, uh, he was, uh, he was off the grid, completely off the grid. Like, he has a-

Shane Dorian 53:33 He has an ayahuasca-

Joe Rogan 53:34 Oh, yeah.

Shane Dorian 53:34 ... camp, guru?

Joe Rogan 53:35 Everything. He, he, he had his wh- he... I don't know what, what's going on with his old property, but I think some of it burnt down. There was a fire up there and I think he lost like a b... Oh, no, no, no. The fire was up in Northern California. He had some of his books up in Northern California, but he has a place up in the Big Island that there was, like, 30 different types of psychedelic plants growing on his... You know, he had, like, 10 acres up there.

Shane Dorian 54:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:00 That's his spot up there. And he had, you know-

Shane Dorian 54:03 Have you been in that house high as a kite or what?

Joe Rogan 54:05 No, I'm friends with his brother.

Shane Dorian 54:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:07 I would like to go there. He's dead now, unfortunately.

Shane Dorian 54:09 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 54:10 Yeah. Yeah.

Shane Dorian 54:12 It looks like a pretty freaking cosmic joint right there.

Joe Rogan 54:14 Well, that's a weird picture, right?

Shane Dorian 54:16 That looks very-

Joe Rogan 54:16 See that-

Shane Dorian 54:17 ... psychedelic.

Joe Rogan 54:17 ... that, that... Is that the reg- regular picture? Yeah, his, uh... He had a dope place. So he would get all his water from the rain. He would, uh... He had, like, these cisterns, th- I guess that we call them. What are these containers that catch rainwater and he had, uh, everything, you know, filtered that way.... and he-

Shane Dorian 54:32 Looks like horny hippies.

Joe Rogan 54:33 Uh, uh, there's probably some freaky shit going on up there.

Shane Dorian 54:36 Late-night ac- activities up there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:38 But he was doing a lot of lectures on psychedelics-

Shane Dorian 54:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:41 ... and really one of the-

Shane Dorian 54:42 It's cool.

Joe Rogan 54:42 ... one of the most influential speakers ever on psychedelics 'cause he was so interesting, such an interesting guy to listen to.

Shane Dorian 54:49 A lot of people like that really gravitate to the Big Island.

Joe Rogan 54:51 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 54:51 There's something about the Big Island where we live that is just... It's alive. It really is. The island is freaking alive.

Joe Rogan 54:57 It really is alive.

Shane Dorian 54:57 It is.

Joe Rogan 54:58 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 54:58 And you feel that, and there's, like, this... There's, like, an energy there. And there's, there's people who are like, "I'm meant to live here. I had moved across the Earth to live here because of..." It's like, "Just pulled me here."

Joe Rogan 55:08 Oh, boy.

Shane Dorian 55:08 I meet people like that all the time.

Joe Rogan 55:10 (laughs) That would make me move.

Shane Dorian 55:10 Dude, your boy in that freaking shack. (laughs) He's one of those guys.

Joe Rogan 55:13 He is one of those guys. (laughs)

Shane Dorian 55:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:14 I mean, he's from Colorado. He was f- originally from Colorado.

Shane Dorian 55:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:18 But, I mean, for him, he was like a, a bit of a recluse.

Joe Rogan 55:20 And he would fly six, for six months of the year, he would fly and give these lectures in like, you know, Austin and San Francisco-

Shane Dorian 55:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:27 ... and all over the world really. And then he would, uh, fly back and live on the Big Island and write books.

Shane Dorian 55:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:32 So-

Shane Dorian 55:32 It's a cool place to live, man.

Joe Rogan 55:33 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 55:34 It's awesome. I love living there.

Joe Rogan 55:35 And if you're a bow hunter, it's not a bad place either, right?

Shane Dorian 55:37 Not, it's not a bad place either.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 55:39 Hawaii is in- incredible for hunting.

Joe Rogan 55:41 Well, also this is incredible for people. Everybody's got a really good attitude there. It's like, it's more... You know, I just got back from Manhattan, which I love.

Shane Dorian 55:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:49 I love going to New York City. And, but every time I go there, I'm like, "I don't think I could do this. I don't think I could live here."

Shane Dorian 55:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:55 It's just, it's too stacked on top of things. And there was this f- one thing that I'd seen there that I'd never seen before, they had, like, this rotat- rotating machine that you park cars on. So say, if you parked your car in here, it would lift up-

Shane Dorian 56:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:10 ... like this.

Shane Dorian 56:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:10 And then your car would go, like, up here, and then underneath there would be like 30 cars underneath you.

Shane Dorian 56:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:14 I was like, "What the fuck is that?"

Shane Dorian 56:16 I've seen that in Tokyo. Crazy, dude.

Joe Rogan 56:19 Yeah. That's-

Shane Dorian 56:20 And you can rent one of those spots, one of those, one of those car spots for, like, huge bucks in Tokyo.

Joe Rogan 56:25 I'm sure.

Shane Dorian 56:26 Like 50 grand a year.

Joe Rogan 56:27 Well, Tokyo-

Shane Dorian 56:27 For like a t- for, for like a parking spot at your building where you live.

Joe Rogan 56:31 Have you been to Tokyo?

Shane Dorian 56:32 Yeah, a lot.

Joe Rogan 56:32 It's so condensed.

Shane Dorian 56:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:34 Yeah. It's such a stran- it's another st- Tokyo is strange too because it's so polite. It's-

Shane Dorian 56:39 Yeah, I love Tokyo.

Joe Rogan 56:40 Yeah, it's like everyone's... It's almost like you're visiting an alien culture 'cause I don't understand... I don't know what their writing is.

Shane Dorian 56:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:46 I see it, but I, I, I recognize it as Japanese, but I have no idea what it says.

Shane Dorian 56:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:50 And then the people, they're, they're all, like, super polite and very orderly. And then everything's electronic, and it's almost like Times Square-like-

Shane Dorian 56:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:57 ... with big... Like, this is almost like a, like, a parallel civilization, like, on another planet.

Shane Dorian 57:04 And how the hell did they get there? That's where they ended up. Like, if you look at the history of Japan-

Joe Rogan 57:08 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 57:08 ... it's the opposite of that.

Joe Rogan 57:10 Right, right.

Shane Dorian 57:10 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 57:11 It's true.

Shane Dorian 57:11 Like, old school Japan was the opposite of that. Like, th- d- t- all of a sudden they have, like, this full on, f- like forward technology, hyper futuristic, um, civilization there now.

Joe Rogan 57:22 Yeah, that's a fascinating thing about Asia period, right?

Shane Dorian 57:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:24 Like Samsung in Korea, they make the, some of the best electronics in the world.

Shane Dorian 57:29 Yeah, and you drive just outside the city and there's, like, rice fields everywhere.

Joe Rogan 57:31 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 57:31 And people wor- you know, working with those cool hats on, and, like, everyone has no shoes and just-

Joe Rogan 57:35 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 57:36 ... just don their, in mud. Then you drive right to the city and it's just, like, this giant electronic city.

Joe Rogan 57:41 Yeah, I wonder what it is.

Shane Dorian 57:42 Kinda cool. Good food though in Japan and all over Asia, but I love Japan. Dig it.

Joe Rogan 57:47 No, Japan's pretty... Uh, I, I'm, uh, just fascinated by the culture period. I mean, the- that's obviously the birthplace of a lot of martial arts. Judo came from there, karate, a lot of... Whoa. Uh, a lot of-

Shane Dorian 58:00 You have a towel?

Joe Rogan 58:00 Yeah, we're good. Right here. A lot of, um... Got a little bit of spill here.

Shane Dorian 58:05 Probably not the exact thing you wanna be spilling into.

Joe Rogan 58:07 Eh, we're good though. It hit the crack.

Shane Dorian 58:10 I was afraid that we were gonna have nothing to talk about that was gonna be interesting or we get stuck on, like, archery for, like, two hours, so I, I looked up a couple things.

Joe Rogan 58:17 (laughs) What did you look up?

Shane Dorian 58:18 I was looking... I was just, like, was geeking out in the car. Was that impressive when I just pulled up in, like, a big old Cadillac, b- like, a black Cadillac with a driver or what?

Joe Rogan 58:25 No, it's normal.

Shane Dorian 58:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:27 It's what everybody does.

Shane Dorian 58:27 I thought that was really, really weird.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Why would that be qu- it's weird for you-

Shane Dorian 58:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:31 ... 'cause you live in Hawaii.

Shane Dorian 58:32 Yeah. Yeah, I don't do that very often, but-

Joe Rogan 58:33 What do you drive, like a Tundra or some shit?

Shane Dorian 58:35 I do. I drive a Toyota Tundra-

Joe Rogan 58:37 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 58:37 ... from Big Island Toyota.

Joe Rogan 58:38 Everybody in Hawaii has a Toyota-

Shane Dorian 58:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:40 ... 'cause they don't break.

Shane Dorian 58:41 It's a f- freaking state car.

Joe Rogan 58:43 It's the move, right? They don't break.

Shane Dorian 58:45 Yeah, they don't break.

Joe Rogan 58:46 They don't... I've had three Lexuses, uh, Lexus SUVs.

Shane Dorian 58:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:50 Those fucking things never break.

Shane Dorian 58:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:53 They never have a single thing go wrong with them.

Shane Dorian 58:55 Yeah, Toyota. They're amazing.

Joe Rogan 58:55 Nothing. Zero.

Shane Dorian 58:57 Yeah. They're incredible vehicles.

Joe Rogan 58:58 Yeah. They're just-

Shane Dorian 58:59 Well, and, and, y- you know, in, in Hawaii, you're going off-road so much that, yeah, I, I, for surfing and hunting, I'm, I'm always going off-road and camping, taking my kids and stuff, so you want something reliable. And you can freaking buy a, y- you know, like you can, you, you can buy a Toyota truck for like 35 grand and, like, six years later you sell it for 32.

Joe Rogan 59:19 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 59:19 The, the, like, resale value is nuts.

Joe Rogan 59:21 And it'll go for 200,000 miles-

Shane Dorian 59:23 Yeah, they're great.

Joe Rogan 59:23 ... with, with zero problems.

Shane Dorian 59:24 Yeah. I drive a big Tundra.

Joe Rogan 59:26 That's the other thing that Japanese figured out how to do. Like, how'd they figure out how to make things so goddamn reliable?

Shane Dorian 59:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:32 You know? Is that you?

Shane Dorian 59:33 There's my truck. Yeah, that's me.

Joe Rogan 59:34 Dude, look at that. Lifted Toyota Hawaii.

Shane Dorian 59:37 That's my last truck.

Joe Rogan 59:39 Oh, that's cool, though.

Shane Dorian 59:39 I got the exact same truck now though. It's a good truck.

Joe Rogan 59:41 You just keep getting Toyotas?

Shane Dorian 59:41 I think it'll get you anywhere you wanna go.

Joe Rogan 59:43 Yeah. Well, I'm not sure about-

Shane Dorian 59:44 I'm actually sponsored by the local dealership where I live.

Joe Rogan 59:46 Oh, really?

Shane Dorian 59:47 Yeah, Big Island Toyota.

Joe Rogan 59:48 Shout-out to Big Island Toyota.

Shane Dorian 59:49 Shout-out Big Island Toyota.

Joe Rogan 59:50 Look at the fender flares and everything.

Shane Dorian 59:52 That thing is sexy.

Joe Rogan 59:53 That thing i- it will drive straight up a mountain. Oh, I bet it will.

Shane Dorian 59:56 And it'll hold about 10 deer in the back of it.

Joe Rogan 59:58 Have you ever seen that company called, uh-

Shane Dorian 1:00:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 ... Devrolo? They take those things and they make them bulletproof and they, they, uh, they spray the outside of them with... What is that fucking coating that makes them bulletproof?

Shane Dorian 1:00:11 I might need to get that for all the PETA people.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 1:00:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Do you get PETA people upset with you?

Shane Dorian 1:00:15 No, I don't. Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 You don't get any... Because hunting and surfing, you would think that they're both idios-

Shane Dorian 1:00:20 I do get, actually, I do.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 ... and natural, but I would think-

Shane Dorian 1:00:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 ... you would get a little bit of it just because there's a lot of granola crunchy people that get upset.

Shane Dorian 1:00:27 There's a lot of, like, dolphin riders-

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 1:00:28 ... in the surf world that are like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Right.

Shane Dorian 1:00:31 ... "You know, we're from the... We're, it's, it's, it's peaceful from the Earth. Why do you gotta kill the... Shane, why you gotta kill the, why do you have to kill the animals, man? Let them, let them live." I always get these guys, "Let them live."... always. Always, always, always.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 I don't think they understand that if you don't kill them, they, there's gonna be way more problems for them if you don't.

Shane Dorian 1:00:48 Not only do they not understand it-

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 It sounds counterintuitive.

Shane Dorian 1:00:50 ... but they're never gonna understand it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 No. No.

Shane Dorian 1:00:52 And I, it-

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 That's it.

Shane Dorian 1:00:53 I, I used to consider like trying to explain that to people, but there's, there's, there's really not. There's not.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 What is, there's a coating that they, it's called, it's like polyurea is the, um, is the type of material. But, uh, you, there's a, there's an actual name for it. Uh ...

Shane Dorian 1:01:11 Adam Green Tree's got a really, really badass Toyota.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 Yeah. Well, he had his built.

Shane Dorian 1:01:16 His is cool.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 He had like the whole back area where the cabin is, is all like stuff.

Shane Dorian 1:01:21 His is not just looks, though. He doesn't have like red wheels.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Right.

Shane Dorian 1:01:24 He's got like real shit, like refrigerators in there-

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 1:01:27 ... and a h- and a freaking shower to shower off all the mud. And we actually drove to this property and it was so mudded out that, that it was impossible to get up the road, because it was a pure mud slide. And he had this winch to winch us up his, up his road. Like, all the way up his road-

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 Jesus.

Shane Dorian 1:01:43 ... with a winch. So cool. So it's just, I mean, the thing is like bad. It's actually good for something.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 You know, he's been in America now for like a month and a half.

Shane Dorian 1:01:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Just hunting.

Shane Dorian 1:01:52 He's been almost getting killed in a tree stand the last couple of days.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Did you see that shit?

Shane Dorian 1:01:54 Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 So he's in a tree stand-

Shane Dorian 1:01:55 I was texting him going, "Dude, get the hell out of that tree."

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Yeah. If you go to Adam Green Tree's, uh, Instagram page-

Shane Dorian 1:02:01 Hopefully he's still alive.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 ... there's actually a video of it where he's in a tree stand, he's waiting, like he's trying to hunt deer and he's waiting for a deer to walk by, and he hears guns go off and then he hears the leaves crack because bullets are whizzing by his head and hitting the leaves next to him.

Shane Dorian 1:02:16 Literally, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Literally. And there's video of it. And he's like, "What the fuck, mate?"

Shane Dorian 1:02:21 (laughs) 'Cause these fucking wankers.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 1:02:23 He said there was 200, 200 gunshots in six hours.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Oh, yeah. Where is he? Kansas?

Shane Dorian 1:02:28 Kentucky.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Kentucky. Yeah, yeehaw. Yeah.

Shane Dorian 1:02:31 Kentucky, not a lot of Tundras in Kentucky.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Have you ever been to the Midwest during opening day?

Shane Dorian 1:02:36 If you drove a Tundra in Kentucky, it would need to be bulletproof.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Why?

Shane Dorian 1:02:39 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 They would shoot at it?

Shane Dorian 1:02:40 Yeah, they'd be like, "Fucking get out of the Chevrolet, man."

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 They have a lot of Toyotas. They have a lot of Toyotas down there.

Shane Dorian 1:02:44 Do they?

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 Yeah, they give in. Not only that-

Shane Dorian 1:02:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 ... Toyotas, Toyota trucks are actually made in America, believe it or not.

Shane Dorian 1:02:49 They are?

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 1:02:50 Yeah, my Tundra was made in Texas.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 Yeah, there you go. There, there's a lot of Toyotas are made in America. You know, uh, the Acura NSX, which is a Honda?

Shane Dorian 1:02:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 That's actually made in Ohio.

Shane Dorian 1:02:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 They, they, they construct, they designed it and construct it-

Shane Dorian 1:03:02 They make cars in Toyota, in Kentucky.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 There you go, Holla at your boys.

Shane Dorian 1:03:04 See, I just, I pulled that one outta-

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 So they employ people.

Shane Dorian 1:03:07 They do.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Well-

Shane Dorian 1:03:08 100s of 1,000s of people.

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 ... Detroit ... That used to be an issue in Detroit. If you were in Detroit-

Shane Dorian 1:03:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 ... and you were driving a non-American car, they'd shoot at it. But now, I mean, so many car companies moved out of Detroit-

Shane Dorian 1:03:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 ... and started selling cu- they just kind of gave up on that.

Shane Dorian 1:03:20 LinEx is that coating?

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Yes.

Shane Dorian 1:03:21 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 LinEx, thank you. That shit, i- you could take a l- LinEx is crazy. That black coating, that plastic coating that they put on those trucks? You can take LinEx and cover a watermelon with it and drop it off of a building.

Shane Dorian 1:03:34 (laughs) So cool.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 And it'll bounce when it hits the ground. Yeah. That's, so they take that, that, that matte gray or matte black sort of, uh, cover.

Shane Dorian 1:03:41 That thing looks sick.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 That is, uh, LinEx. And so these LinEx covered trucks, they make them and they also make them with Kevlar windows and door panels, and bulletproof plates underneath them. They make like a ... If you're like just a total piece of shit and everybody wants to kill you, you get one of those things.

Shane Dorian 1:03:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 (laughs) Just drive around in a LinEx armored vehicle.

Shane Dorian 1:04:00 Well, how much of a idiot do you look like driving that thing around?

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Pretty badass. You just wear mirrored sunglasses and tell everybody to fuck themselves.

Shane Dorian 1:04:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 1:04:09 I like the, like I love the freaking LinEx, the whole thing. That's like, um-

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 Watch this.

Shane Dorian 1:04:14 ... when we were, um, on Lanai they had the-

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 Is that a watermelon?

Narrator 1:04:16 Yeah. It bounces.

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 Watch this. Look at this. Boom. That's a watermelon, bro.

Shane Dorian 1:04:20 Yeah, I was thinking about-

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Look how, look how far this is.

Shane Dorian 1:04:21 ... getting my truck done with that stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Look, look at this. Boing.

Shane Dorian 1:04:24 Wow. Almost like a basketball.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 Yeah. So any scratches that you would ordinarily get from like branches and shit, like I bet your, I mean, the, the kind of travel it ... Look at this. It hits the ground.

Shane Dorian 1:04:33 I was thinking of doing that to my truck.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 Do you get scratched up from-

Shane Dorian 1:04:36 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 Yeah. There you go.

Shane Dorian 1:04:37 And I just like that you can just like pressure wash it. You-

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 1:04:40 You don't have to worry about decals coming off. You don't have to worry about-

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 Right.

Shane Dorian 1:04:42 ... anything. You just shoot the shit down and it's clean.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 Yeah, one of our guides in, uh-

Shane Dorian 1:04:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 ... Lanai had-

Shane Dorian 1:04:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 ... his truck was LinEx.

Shane Dorian 1:04:49 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 It was green.

Shane Dorian 1:04:50 Completely.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 Remember?

Shane Dorian 1:04:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Yeah.

Shane Dorian 1:04:51 Yeah. That's great.

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 That was Alec.

Shane Dorian 1:04:53 That's good stuff. Yeah, Alec, love him.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Yeah, that stuff just doesn't scratch too. You can go over ... Somebody could key your car-

Shane Dorian 1:04:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 ... and it just fucks up their key. Doesn't work.

Shane Dorian 1:04:59 (laughs) Exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 (laughs)

Shane Dorian 1:05:01 So good.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Yeah, it's, it's pretty impressive stuff. But, uh-

Shane Dorian 1:05:03 How funny is it where you, when you, when you see trucks like mine here in LA? That funny or what?

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Oh, there's a lot of them.

Shane Dorian 1:05:09 It's the worst, the worst thing. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 Because people just want to look like badasses. They just want to look like a killer in a lifted truck.

Shane Dorian 1:05:14 But you can't park in any like