Joe Rogan Experience #1193 - Shane Dorian

1. 0:00 – 3:20

   Bowhunting Simulator Warm‑Up & Momentum Generation Premise

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Yeah. He's, uh, I think he's too smart. He's too smart to talk to regular people.

   2. SDShane Dorian0:08

      Fun.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      Boom! Powerful big wave surfer. How are you, buddy?

   4. SDShane Dorian0:11

      I'm great. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      We just got back from playing a little Tekno Hunt.

   6. SDShane Dorian0:14

      We did, man. Ah-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Greatest thing of all time, right?

   8. SDShane Dorian0:16

      I was just saying, I, I don't care what the price is, it's worth it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      (laughs)

   10. SDShane Dorian0:19

       It's a, it's a bargain at twice the price, or whatever it is. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Yeah. For people who don't know what it is, it's this game that it simulates bow hunting. So, what it is, is it's a giant screen that's made out of Kevlar, and then, uh, it's got a s- like a projector, projects HD images of elk and deer. Y- you can set it up for a bunch of different animals, but elk and deer walk across the screen. And you shoot at 'em, and it's like the perfect... There's a, we show a little video of Shane doing it earlier.

   12. SDShane Dorian0:49

       (laughs) It's really cool, man.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       But it's, it's a perfect practice for bow hunting, because one of the things about bow hunting is it, you get nervous. And the more you could do something like this, where you just shot a perfect shot, the more you can do that over and over and over again, the more it becomes ingrained in your, your, your nervous system. I mean, ingrained in your muscles, ingrained in your memory, and then it becomes natural.

   14. SDShane Dorian1:11

       Yeah. It's awesome.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Yeah. It's pretty dope.

   16. SDShane Dorian1:13

       We're gonna make this podcast about 15 minutes long, go back and shoot some more. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       (laughs) Yeah. That's what we... We were actually talking about cutting off the podcast short just for that.

   18. SDShane Dorian1:21

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       So, tell me about this movie, man.

   20. SDShane Dorian1:24

       Yeah. So, I'm in LA for the premiere, the HBO premiere, of The Momentum Generation. It's a, it's a, uh, it's a sports documentary they, that, uh, that HBO and Robert Redford did. So, it's cool, man. It's, it's, it's really cool. It's um, it's a story about my friends and I. We, you know, we all grew up, uh, competitive surfers and in high school, we all sort of met each other through, through competitions, competing. So, this tells the story of how we basically, how we met, how we grew up, um, and how we became friends and family, basically. Like, traveling around the world, you know, together, as basically like little kids with no, with no chaperones on, on tour around the world.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       Wow.

   22. SDShane Dorian2:02

       So, it's fucking crazy. It's a, it's a wild story.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       Pull this up to your... Like, keep this like a fist away from your face.

   24. SDShane Dorian2:06

       All right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       Mm, how old were you when you first started surfing?

   26. SDShane Dorian2:10

       I s- started surfing on a standup surfboard when I was five.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       And when did you start traveling to surf?

   28. SDShane Dorian2:16

       When I was 12, I went to England for the w- the World Amateur Championships.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       Wow.

   30. SDShane Dorian2:22

       So, I was on the Hawaii team.
2. 3:20 – 13:00

   Growing Up Surfing: Broken Homes, Found Family, and Competition

   1. SDShane Dorian3:20

      we were competing for a world title. We were all competing and going around the world all the time, staying together. So, we became best friends, like this nucleus of surfers. And we all just became ultra-close. And then, when things get, got really serious with the surfing competition, and there was a lot on the line with sponsors and money and big brands coming in, the shit hit the fan and then we started like breaking up. It got too serious. Uh, it, it was almost like a band who just couldn't stand each other anymore, or things got too radical, or, you know, girls got in the way, or money got in the way. And so, there was like this kinda like breaking up element, you know, throughout our group.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:55

      Wow. I would imagine, when you're living like that, those people must be so valuable for you, though. People that can understand your way of life, because it's their way of life too. 'Cause like to, to a regular person who commutes every day and goes to an office and comes home, like, your life is alien.

   3. SDShane Dorian4:13

      Yeah. It is. I still get w- uh, like I still get uncomfortable when people ask me what I do for a living.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:19

      (laughs)

   5. SDShane Dorian4:20

      Y- you know, like I'll, like I'll be in like a normal random setting and someone will be like, "Oh, yeah, what do you do for a living?" I'm like, "No."

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:26

      Oh.

   7. SDShane Dorian4:27

      "Don't, d- do not ask me that."

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:29

      (laughs)

   9. SDShane Dorian4:29

      'Cause nobody understands, you know? It's like...

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       What do you tell them?

   11. SDShane Dorian4:33

       I, I tell them the truth, but it's... I just tell, always tell 'em like, "It's, it's really hard to explain, but I surf for a living." I mean, what the fuck is that?

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       And do they... Yeah, do they go, "How does that work? How do you get paid?"

   13. SDShane Dorian4:44

       Yes. All the time. Man, I just go, "I have no idea. I gotta check every now and then."

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       Well, you don't necessarily compete any longer, right?

   15. SDShane Dorian4:51

       No, not at all.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       You just ru- ride big waves.

   17. SDShane Dorian4:53

       I do. I ride big waves. That's my focus, and I also ride all kinds of waves. I surf every day, and you know, the waves don't get big that often.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:00

       Right.

   19. SDShane Dorian5:01

       But when the waves are biggest, I'm on it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       Yeah. For a person that like is just meeting you for the first time and doesn't understand surfing and is trying to wrap their head around making a living-

   21. SDShane Dorian5:13

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       ... riding the waves of the ocean.

   23. SDShane Dorian5:16

       It's like, "How? Why? What?"

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       (laughs)

   25. SDShane Dorian5:18

       (laughs) It's weird.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:18

       Like, "Wait a minute, no, I went to accounting school." (laughs)

   27. SDShane Dorian5:21

       And I, and I don't have... There's not like a, there's nothing... I mean, there's, there's not like another category I can really point to, to, to, to make the point go quicker, to... There's not like, um, you know, it's like there's basketball players and football players, and all of them are like scoring goals and getting these brand endorsements from that, from competition element, so.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:40

       Right.

   29. SDShane Dorian5:41

       Because I'm a free surfer who doesn't compete at all, it's just, it's hard to wrap your head around. But basically-

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       That's even harder. Yeah.
3. 13:00 – 25:00

   From Hyper‑Competitive Shit‑Talker to Laid‑Back Waterman

   1. SDShane Dorian13:00

      or something happens with their... You can see it in their eyes. You can see it in their body language. All of a sudden they lose that, that edge, that mindset, and they're basically have already lost, even though it's like right in the middle of the round.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:10

      Sometimes, yeah.

   3. SDShane Dorian13:10

      And then you see one guy just like...

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:12

      The, one of the c- crazy things about fighting is it's so unpredictable. Even when you think a guy's gonna lose, sometimes they come back and win w- by knockout, like outta nowhere.

   5. SDShane Dorian13:20

      I watched that fight-

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:20

      It's just a crazy sport.

   7. SDShane Dorian13:21

      Who, who, who's-

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:22

      Derek Luce?

   9. SDShane Dorian13:23

      Yeah, the guy with the awesome Instagram?

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:24

       Yeah.

   11. SDShane Dorian13:25

       The big, black dude?

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:26

       Yes. (laughs)

   13. SDShane Dorian13:26

       Dude, he was losing that fight.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:28

       Yes.

   15. SDShane Dorian13:28

       I, I'm not a fight-

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       Yes.

   17. SDShane Dorian13:29

       ... nerd.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:30

       No, he was getting fucked up.

   19. SDShane Dorian13:31

       But he was losi- I'm like, "Dude, that guy's losing the fight. There's zero chance to win." Next thing you know, he won.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       Yeah, but I-

   21. SDShane Dorian13:36

       That was, that was so exciting.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       Volkov, the guy he beat had just beaten Fabricio Werdum, who's a former heavyweight champion.

   23. SDShane Dorian13:42

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:42

       Beat him by knockout. So, uh, Alexander's the real deal. I mean, he's, uh, he was what I thought was the dark horse in-

   25. SDShane Dorian13:48

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:48

       ... the heavyweight division. But he stood in front of Derek for too long, and Derek hit him with a fucking bomb. He had hurt him earlier too, because Derek, Derek hit him and knocked his mouthpiece out, and he didn't know his mouthpiece was gone.

   27. SDShane Dorian14:01

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:01

       So the referee was trying to give him the mouthpiece.

   29. SDShane Dorian14:03

       That was nuts. Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       And he's like, "No, that's not my mouthpiece. That's his mouthpiece." And the referee's like, "Motherfucker, you don't have a mouthpiece. I'm holding your mouthpiece. That's your mouthpiece."
4. 25:00 – 35:00

   Performance Mindset, Flow State, and Emotional Control

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:00

      me such anxiety, watching this. How big is that wave?

   2. SDShane Dorian25:03

      I don't know, probably 60 feet on the face at the start.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:05

      God damn, son. Oh.

   4. SDShane Dorian25:08

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:08

      What does that feel like right there when it's over?

   6. SDShane Dorian25:10

      This part's cool. Watch. I get air on the way down.

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:13

      Oh, my God.

   8. SDShane Dorian25:13

      You'll see my board goes completely in the air. Right there.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:16

      Whoa! (laughs)

   10. SDShane Dorian25:19

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:19

       Dude! Dude, you are so high! That is so high.

   12. SDShane Dorian25:21

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       That wave is so giant. It's like 40 feet above your head right now. Oh, my God. This gives me anxiety.

   14. SDShane Dorian25:28

       You know what's cool about surfing, is in those moments, like, there's very few things in the world other than, like... I don't know, I don't know how to relate that. But, um, like, that moment right there for me was like the pinnacle of, like, who I am, what I do best. That moment, that wave coming in at that, at that minute in my life where I was in right square foot of the ocean, when that wave came in, that was the best. That was one of the best days in history at that surf spot.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:55

       Wow.

   16. SDShane Dorian25:55

       Um, and I was there, I was prepared, I was healthy. I had the right board, the right equipment, the right energy level. I wasn't sick, I didn't have any... You know, everything was just lined up. And the waves were lined up, and the swell was lined up, and the wind was lined up, and the tide was lined up, and I was in a perfect spot when that wave came in.

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:10

       Do you watch that video all the time?

   18. SDShane Dorian26:11

       No.

   19. NANarrator26:12

       (laughs)

   20. SDShane Dorian26:12

       But every time I do, I remember all those things because it seems so much, so, so much luck had to do with it. It was just like an alignment-

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:18

       Yeah.

   22. SDShane Dorian26:19

       ... stars aligning.

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:20

       That almost seems like something-

   24. NANarrator26:20

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:21

       ... I'd wanna watch every day. Like, right, get, get the day going.

   26. SDShane Dorian26:24

       You know your first kiss from a girl?

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:26

       Yeah.

   28. SDShane Dorian26:27

       That's what that is.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:28

       Wow.

   30. SDShane Dorian26:29

       That (imitates explosion) like, mind blown.
5. 35:00 – 55:20

   Surfing as Lifestyle vs. Sport and Why It’s So Hard

   1. SDShane Dorian35:00

      groups of friends and family, and he's always cooking and entertaining. I, I, I, I love that about him. Like, when, when we were on Lanai, he'd cook for, like, 10 of us.

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:08

      Yeah. Yeah, that was awesome.

   3. SDShane Dorian35:09

      Incredible meals. And everything was wild game. It was just freaking awesome.

   4. JRJoe Rogan35:12

      That Lanai trip, man.

   5. SDShane Dorian35:14

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan35:14

      That is the... I look forward to that every year.

   7. SDShane Dorian35:16

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan35:16

      It's like the highlight of my year.

   9. SDShane Dorian35:17

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan35:17

       You know? When are we doing it this year?

   11. SDShane Dorian35:19

       I know, right? We gotta talk dates.

   12. JRJoe Rogan35:20

       We gotta figure out, yeah.

   13. SDShane Dorian35:21

       We gotta talk dates.

   14. JRJoe Rogan35:22

       We gotta figure out the dates. 'Cause that last year was so amazing to have everybody down there and-

   15. SDShane Dorian35:27

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:27

       ... you know, and everybody just-

   17. SDShane Dorian35:28

       Such a good crew.

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:29

       Oh, it was so fucking cool.

   19. SDShane Dorian35:30

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:30

       You know, Green Tree and Cam and... Yeah, it's, it's just awesome. And then the first, first year we invented the Cat Lady drink.

   21. SDShane Dorian35:37

       Yeah. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:38

       (laughs) That one ridiculous podcast.

   23. SDShane Dorian35:38

       It's lived on 2000s... Yeah. That was ridiculous.

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:41

       I don't know, I think Dudley might be still drinking it. I don't think anybody else is.

   25. SDShane Dorian35:43

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:44

       It kinda died off. Red Bull and wine and, what was it, tequila?

   27. SDShane Dorian35:49

       That was a lot.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:50

       Oh.

   29. SDShane Dorian35:50

       A little bit ambitious. That was, uh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:52

       Fucking nasty as it was.
6. 55:20 – 1:09:10

   Chasing Giant Waves and Peak Life Moments

   1. JRJoe Rogan55:20

      And he would fly six, for six months of the year, he would fly and give these lectures in like, you know, Austin and San Francisco-

   2. SDShane Dorian55:27

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan55:27

      ... and all over the world really. And then he would, uh, fly back and live on the Big Island and write books.

   4. SDShane Dorian55:32

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan55:32

      So-

   6. SDShane Dorian55:32

      It's a cool place to live, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan55:33

      Yeah.

   8. SDShane Dorian55:34

      It's awesome. I love living there.

   9. JRJoe Rogan55:35

      And if you're a bow hunter, it's not a bad place either, right?

   10. SDShane Dorian55:37

       Not, it's not a bad place either.

   11. JRJoe Rogan55:39

       Yeah.

   12. SDShane Dorian55:39

       Hawaii is in- incredible for hunting.

   13. JRJoe Rogan55:41

       Well, also this is incredible for people. Everybody's got a really good attitude there. It's like, it's more... You know, I just got back from Manhattan, which I love.

   14. SDShane Dorian55:49

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan55:49

       I love going to New York City. And, but every time I go there, I'm like, "I don't think I could do this. I don't think I could live here."

   16. SDShane Dorian55:55

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan55:55

       It's just, it's too stacked on top of things. And there was this f- one thing that I'd seen there that I'd never seen before, they had, like, this rotat- rotating machine that you park cars on. So say, if you parked your car in here, it would lift up-

   18. SDShane Dorian56:09

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan56:10

       ... like this.

   20. SDShane Dorian56:10

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan56:10

       And then your car would go, like, up here, and then underneath there would be like 30 cars underneath you.

   22. SDShane Dorian56:14

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan56:14

       I was like, "What the fuck is that?"

   24. SDShane Dorian56:16

       I've seen that in Tokyo. Crazy, dude.

   25. JRJoe Rogan56:19

       Yeah. That's-

   26. SDShane Dorian56:20

       And you can rent one of those spots, one of those, one of those car spots for, like, huge bucks in Tokyo.

   27. JRJoe Rogan56:25

       I'm sure.

   28. SDShane Dorian56:26

       Like 50 grand a year.

   29. JRJoe Rogan56:27

       Well, Tokyo-

   30. SDShane Dorian56:27

       For like a t- for, for like a parking spot at your building where you live.

Episode duration: 2:14:35