Joe Rogan Experience #1210 - Tom Papa

1. 0:00 – 0:57

   Media narratives and “seeing the whole thing” from a clip

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... interesting how, how promotions work.

   2. TPTom Papa0:02

      (laughs) Yeah. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      Here we go. Four, three, two, one. So, Tom Pop and I are sitting here.

   4. TPTom Papa0:10

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      And I say, "Do you s- did you see the fight on Saturday night?"

   6. TPTom Papa0:13

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      And he said, "The guy that got knocked down? Mental health guy?"

   8. TPTom Papa0:16

      The mental health guy?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      (laughs) No.

   10. TPTom Papa0:17

       The guy who got up for everyone with mental health? (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       Yeah. But he said, "No, I didn't see the fight." Like-

   12. TPTom Papa0:21

       "I only saw, (laughs) I only saw that."

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       ... this is how narratives work.

   14. TPTom Papa0:25

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       You know what I mean? Like, in this day and age especially-

   16. TPTom Papa0:28

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       ... there's way too much information out there, right?

   18. TPTom Papa0:31

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Like, there's no way you could see every television show or watch every sporting event-

   20. TPTom Papa0:35

       No.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       ... or, or know every scandal.

   22. TPTom Papa0:37

       (laughs) Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       So when something happens, you're like, "Oh, uh, the blurb, the, the, the little summary that I have absorbed..."

   24. TPTom Papa0:43

       Yeah. My, my one buddy watched it on Instagram. He posted a thing.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       (laughs)

   26. TPTom Papa0:46

       And it was very heartfelt that he got up for all the (laughs) people with mental health.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Yeah.

   28. TPTom Papa0:50

       And, uh, I read that and I feel like I experienced the whole thing. (laughs) But, you know, it's funny. I don't know if he won or lost. I know he got up.

2. 0:57 – 2:50

   Fury vs. Wilder breakdown: power, knockdowns, and the draw

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:57

      It was a draw.

   2. TPTom Papa0:57

      Oh, okay.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:59

      And, uh, I don't have a, a firm opinion on whether or not the, the draw was justified.

   4. TPTom Papa1:04

      Uh-huh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:05

      'Cause I only watched it once. I thought, I thought that Tyson Fury won most of the rounds, except the two that he got knocked down in.

   6. TPTom Papa1:13

      Tyson's the anti-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:14

      He's the t-

   8. TPTom Papa1:14

      ... mental health guy.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15

      No, he's the white guy.

   10. TPTom Papa1:16

       Oh, he's the white guy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       He's the white, the guy that got knocked down.

   12. TPTom Papa1:18

       Okay.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       And Deontay Wilder, it's, he is, he's str- it is, he's strange, in that he has, like, the, the most freaky punching power I think I've ever seen ever.

   14. TPTom Papa1:29

       That's what I heard too.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       He's not a big guy. I mean, uh, for a heavyweight, he's 212 pounds.

   16. TPTom Papa1:33

       He looks pretty big, though.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       Oh, he's jacked.

   18. TPTom Papa1:35

       Yeah, he's like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       But he's, he's shredded. He has no fat on him whatsoever.

   20. TPTom Papa1:38

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       His back is where all the power is, and that's where all his, his m- muscle is. Like, you see his back, it's just-

   22. TPTom Papa1:43

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       ... fucking, uh, just a bundle of snakes. His back is huge.

   24. TPTom Papa1:46

       When I saw the clip, it was like, he knocked him out and then, like, backed up and did a little dance.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       Yeah, and Tyson got up.

   26. TPTom Papa1:51

       I was like... Yeah, that guy looked pretty bad ass.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       But, fuck that guy Wilder punches so hard. And that was in the 12th and final round-

   28. TPTom Papa1:56

       Oh, that was?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       ... of a fight where he was mostly losing.

   30. TPTom Papa1:59

       Oh.
3. 2:50 – 5:54

   Tyson Fury’s mental health story and extreme comeback

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:50

      Because he, he really d- he's, he's a very unusual guy. And he donated his entire purse to charity.

   2. TPTom Papa2:57

      Wow.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:57

      All of it. Like $8 million.

   4. TPTom Papa2:59

      Bet it... Really?

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:00

      Yeah. Yeah, he donated all of it to charity.

   6. TPTom Papa3:02

      Holy cow.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      Yeah.

   8. TPTom Papa3:04

      That's great.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:05

      He's a fucking really unusual guy. He was, he's been in here. He, he was in the podcast when he was, uh, gearing up for the fight.

   10. TPTom Papa3:11

       So I should call him the super nice mental health guy?

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       He's a very nice guy, very nice guy.

   12. TPTom Papa3:15

       Is he big, like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       Giant. 6'9".

   14. TPTom Papa3:18

       6'9". (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       Yeah.

   16. TPTom Papa3:18

       So when you're sitting here you feel like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       He's huge.

   18. TPTom Papa3:20

       ... he's a giant.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       But he's a, a super sweetheart.

   20. TPTom Papa3:22

       Wow.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       Very friendly guy.

   22. TPTom Papa3:24

       Geez.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       Yeah, really well-spoken. You know, he's got that, like, heavy traveler's accent. He's a traveler.

   24. TPTom Papa3:29

       Had he made money before?

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       Oh, yeah. He's the world champion.

   26. TPTom Papa3:31

       So he's like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:32

       He was the world champion.

   28. TPTom Papa3:33

       ... he's got bank.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       Mm-hmm. And, uh, almost killed himself in a Ferrari, almost, uh, committed suicide. He was just headed towards a bridge. He was just gonna fucking either slam into the bridge or drive off the bridge.

   30. TPTom Papa3:43

       That was his-
4. 5:54 – 10:38

   Holiday wine talk: finding great bottles without paying prestige prices

   1. TPTom Papa5:54

      I learned gr- a great method (claps) for Thanksgiving-

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:57

      Yeah.

   3. TPTom Papa5:57

      ... about wine.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:57

      What's the method?

   5. TPTom Papa5:58

      I went to this place h- in LA.... it's called, uh, 2020 Wine. It's like this --

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:04

      (laughs)

   7. TPTom Papa6:04

      It looks like Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's on the (laughs) on the 405, and, uh, you just walk in. It's just wine, this huge room. Racks and stuff. It's so elegant. It's just, like, this great place to be. It's cool. It's like, temperature-wise, it's like, it's great. And it's intimidating because they have, you know... I don't know that much about wine. I want to, but... And I realized, this w- this was my strategy, and it worked out perfectly. I went to the guy who works there, and I said, "Look, I have 12 people coming over for, uh, Thanksgiving. Show me a $20 bottle of wine or less that I can buy a bunch of for my friends that's gonna blow everyone away." And he lit up like a Christmas tree. It's like, this is what he wants to do. It's like, "Yeah, there's 200 bottle, uh, dollar bottles of wine." (laughs) We know what that is. "I'm g- Come with me." And he... There it is.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:57

      Wow.

   9. TPTom Papa6:57

      And he took me into the back, in... He found these. He's like, "This one's from Spain, $18. No one knows that it exists." The best wine I've had all year. Another one, this Italian Barolo that nobody knows about, and, "Look at this. It's only $12 a bottle 'cause nobody knows, and we have extra cases." It became, like, his... Of course, that's what a wine guy wants to do.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       Right. So is-

   11. TPTom Papa7:19

       Like, turn you on.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       Is the wine thing that a name is just as important as how good it is?

   13. TPTom Papa7:24

       Sure.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       Yeah.

   15. TPTom Papa7:25

       Like when people... You know, an Opus One or a-

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       Yeah.

   17. TPTom Papa7:28

       ... Camus, or like... We all know that, 'cause it's like-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       Right.

   19. TPTom Papa7:31

       ... the Mercedes of wines.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:32

       Cigars are like that as well. I know more-

   21. TPTom Papa7:34

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:34

       ... about cigar... I don't know much about cigars, but I know more about cigars than I know about wine.

   23. TPTom Papa7:38

       Uh-huh.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       And like, everybody wants a Cuban. Everybody wants a Cuban.

   25. TPTom Papa7:39

       Oh, yeah, a Cohiba.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:41

       Yeah. Oh, oh, my Cristo.

   27. TPTom Papa7:43

       The Cohiba. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:43

       Yeah. Everybody wants, uh, something that's hard to get.

   29. TPTom Papa7:47

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:47

       Yeah.
5. 10:38 – 16:09

   Expertise and collecting: pool cues, value, and ‘expensive nonsense’

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:38

      Like, here's, here's something that I know a lot about. Pool cues.

   2. TPTom Papa10:41

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:41

      I know a lot about pool cues. (laughs)

   4. TPTom Papa10:43

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:43

      So if you- if- if you come to me and, um, you know, you say, "Hey, I'm thinking about buying this pool cue. What do you think?"

   6. TPTom Papa10:49

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:49

      I'll go, "Okay. Well, here's what you need to know."

   8. TPTom Papa10:51

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:51

      "Like, that's a, that's a very expensive pool cue, and it's expensive 'cause it's a collector's item 'cause the guy who makes it is dead." However-

   10. TPTom Papa10:57

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       ... in terms of, like, how it plays, it does not play any better than a pool cue that costs one small fraction of what that costs. And then I could turn you on to a bunch of custom pool cue makers-

   12. TPTom Papa11:08

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:08

       ... that make a really good cue for like a fraction of what you would pay for that cue. And I'm telling you, like, you would play with this cue and be happy with it for the rest of your life.

   14. TPTom Papa11:16

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:17

       But it'll cost you, you know, $500 as opposed to... There's cues that are $15,000, $20,000 and- and up.

   16. TPTom Papa11:24

       Jeez. Jeez.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       They're like the really ornate and, and, and beautiful ones.

   18. TPTom Papa11:27

       And this is a lifetime, your adult lifetime, of learning about this.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:30

       Y- Oh man, I've-

   20. TPTom Papa11:31

       You've been immersed.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:32

       I started playing pool in 1990-ish, '91, 1991. That's when I probably bought my first pool cue, so it's a long ass time.

   22. TPTom Papa11:40

       What's a good, what's a good pool cue for bumper pool?

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:42

       (laughs)

   24. TPTom Papa11:43

       (laughs) My, my neighbors had a-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       Oh, shit.

   26. TPTom Papa11:45

       My neighbors had a bumper pool table when I was a kid. It was badass.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:49

       It's pretty stupid.

   28. TPTom Papa11:50

       It was so stupid. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       Such a dumb game.

   30. TPTom Papa11:52

       The, the, the-
6. 16:09 – 18:58

   Paris ‘yellow vest’ riots and fuel taxes: policy, anger, and costs

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:09

      I do. I do. Oui, oui. You see French... Paris is going crazy right now?

   2. TPTom Papa16:13

      Ah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:13

      They've been having these crazy riots.

   4. TPTom Papa16:15

      No. What's up?

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:16

      Every time I think about visiting Paris, there's some new shit that goes down over there.

   6. TPTom Papa16:20

      I know. It kind of feels like a little, like a, like a jewel box that is about to explode (laughs) all the time.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      It's not good, man. You know, it's not good.

   8. TPTom Papa16:29

      Is it... Is it workers? What kind of riot?

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:31

      Well, the weird thing is everyone who's rioting is wearing those, um, reflective vests.

   10. TPTom Papa16:36

       What?

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Like, see that? Yeah, they're wearing these-

   12. TPTom Papa16:37

       That's Paris right now?

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Yep. They're wearing these yellow reflective vests and lighting things on fire and smashing stores, so, like-

   14. TPTom Papa16:44

       Who is?

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       ... these, Gucci and Sh... these, these protesters. They've been going... Scroll back up so we can read about it, what it says.

   16. TPTom Papa16:49

       Oh my God. That looks violent.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       It says 17 pictures. (clears throat) Oh, it's terrible and it keeps getting worse. It keeps getting worse. I mean, it started November 17th when French drivers sporting yellow vests led a demonstration. Apparently, it has to do with oil prices rising, rising, uh, fuel prices.

   18. TPTom Papa17:04

       280,000 people.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       Four people have died. Hundreds have been injured. Thousands of dollars worth of property has been damaged. The protests that started November 17th when French drivers sporting yellow vests led a demonstration of 280,000 people across the country to push back against the rising taxes on gas and diesel.

   20. TPTom Papa17:20

       What?

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       Uh, French President Emmanuel Macron.

   22. TPTom Papa17:24

       Macron. I love a nice macaron.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       As part of his many economic reforms, announced the gas taxes early this year to minimize France's reliance on fossil fuels. That's a fucking shitty way-

   24. TPTom Papa17:35

       Geez.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       ... to handle, you know, reliance on fossil fuels. You do the opposite, you cunt face.

   26. TPTom Papa17:40

       What?

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       You, you don't charge people money, you know? You don't charge people extra money and make it more expensive. You, you-

   28. TPTom Papa17:45

       Then they'll use it less.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:46

       ... you, you give them subsidies for electric cars, you stupid prick.

   30. TPTom Papa17:49

       Yes. This is si-
7. 18:58 – 24:32

   New Jersey family murder case: shock, motive, and the edge of ‘evil’

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:58

      Yes, somebody was telling me-

   2. TPTom Papa19:00

      ... to light his car on fire that day.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:00

      ... about this. Somebody was telling me about this. I was at a little kids' party and I was talking to one of the dads, and he was telling me, um, about this, uh, thing that happened, this, th- I think it was in Northern California. It was a fire. Fuck, it might not've been Northern California. It was a fire and, um, th- initially they thought it was just, uh, a fire, but then the CEO and his vice president were, both of their houses caught fire.

   4. TPTom Papa19:30

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:31

      So then they thought it was, like, an attack-

   6. TPTom Papa19:33

      Uh-huh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:34

      ... on both people, and then they realized, no, it was a murder, and one of the guys killed the guy and his family and then lit his house on fire and then went back to his house and lit his own house on fire-

   8. TPTom Papa19:45

      What?

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:45

      ... to make it look like they were going after both of them.

   10. TPTom Papa19:47

       Oh. And he's the only one that survived?

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:49

       Yeah, whoopsies.

   12. TPTom Papa19:50

       That just happened in New Jersey. A guy-

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:52

       Was it in New Jersey? Maybe that was it.

   14. TPTom Papa19:54

       A guy murdered his whole family.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:55

       Hmm.

   16. TPTom Papa19:55

       No, his own family.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:57

       I think, yeah. Oh.

   18. TPTom Papa19:57

       And then lit the house on fire, too.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:59

       Then maybe that's it. Maybe I'm getting a fucked-up version of the story.

   20. TPTom Papa20:02

       I get drunk at kid parties too.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:03

       Oh.

   22. TPTom Papa20:04

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:04

       It's the only way to go by. (laughs) "Family massacre disguised as a massive fire in New Jersey." Yeah, that's it. This is the story. So, um, make that a little larger please. It says, uh, "There was more than a brotherly bond between Paul and Keith..." Yeah, that, that's right.

   24. TPTom Papa20:16

       What part of New Jersey?

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:18

       (clears throat)

   26. TPTom Papa20:18

       That's where I'm from.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:18

       "They shared businesses, vacationed together, and settled about 11 miles from each other in the suburbs of New Jersey. But two days before Thanksgiving, a horrific chain of events would forever tear them apart."

   28. TPTom Papa20:29

       Oh, his brother?

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       Yeah. That's what it is.

   30. TPTom Papa20:31

       Oh, man.
8. 24:32 – 33:08

   Good vs. evil, nature vs. humans, and epigenetics as inheritance

   1. TPTom Papa24:32

      Do you believe-

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:34

      (sighs)

   3. TPTom Papa24:35

      ... that there isn't always a presence of good and evil in the world? Like, like, that it's not just g- evil deeds. What this guy did was evil. But do you believe that there is a real presence of evil, that it's like a thing that takes over people or takes over... You know what I mean?

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:58

      Like, like, like-

   5. TPTom Papa25:00

      Like, good and evil. Is that more than just people's actions or is it, like, a, a, a force of nature? Is there a good force of nature and an evil force of nature that is constantly using people and using things as, as a catalyst or-

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:14

      I don't think na-

   7. TPTom Papa25:14

      ... or, or as a-

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:15

      Okay.

   9. TPTom Papa25:15

      ... instrument?

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:16

       Well, let's break this down. I don't think nature is the right way to approach it, because I don't think there's good or evil in nature.

   11. TPTom Papa25:21

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       I think nature, nature is actually far more moral than humans are, because what, with nature, it's just about survival, right?

   13. TPTom Papa25:28

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:28

       It's predators and prey and they kill things and eat things. But when animals in nature kill, like what they call surplus killings, where wolves will kill like 18 elk and not, not eat them-

   15. TPTom Papa25:40

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:40

       ... they're just, they're just going on their instincts. These things are there to be killed and they, they can get 'em because they can't run away, maybe it's thick snow or something like that.

   17. TPTom Papa25:48

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:48

       So they just can't help it, they just tear 'em apart, 'cause their instincts are... They drive them to kill 'cause that's how they survive.

   19. TPTom Papa25:55

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:55

       That's how their family survives. They're killing and they're, they're, they're eating these elk and this is just what they do. And even if they kill a bunch of them that, where they can't eat them-

   21. TPTom Papa26:03

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       ... their instinct is to kill because that's how they survive. It's natural. It's normal.

   23. TPTom Papa26:07

       Uh-huh.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:08

       With humans, w- it's very different, because with humans, there's consequences, right? And there's law and there's other humans finding out. So there's deception and then there's, there's selfishness, and there's the, the fear of getting caught. And then there's your own, your own survival instincts, in terms of like you don't wanna get locked up in jail, you don't wanna get caught for something.

   25. TPTom Papa26:32

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:32

       So I think, if I had to guess, that this guy didn't think he was gonna kill this guy's wife and family, probably didn't even think he was gonna kill this guy. They probably got into a heated argument and they, they're stupid.

   27. TPTom Papa26:43

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:44

       And he... You know, he's a Guinea. He's... That's my people.

   29. TPTom Papa26:47

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:47

       They s- they do stupid... Your people too.
9. 33:08 – 35:55

   Non-alcoholic beer, addiction analogies, and the psychology of substitutes

   1. TPTom Papa33:08

      Yeah, I have no idea. But the Italians also like wine. More wine, please.

   2. JRJoe Rogan33:12

      Oh, someone's drunk.

   3. TPTom Papa33:13

      Uh ... (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan33:14

      Oh, I'll have to give you one of these 0% alcohol Heinekens.

   5. TPTom Papa33:18

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:18

      These are supposed to be the most delicious. I've never had it, but I'm gonna try one of these. They're supposed to be the most delicious non-alcoholic beer.

   7. TPTom Papa33:26

      Non-alcoholic beer.

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:26

      Everybody was recommended. They said that if you wanna try-

   9. TPTom Papa33:29

      I'll try them.

   10. JRJoe Rogan33:29

       ... non-alcoholic beer that doesn't suck, get this, uh, Heineken 0.0%. So ...

   11. TPTom Papa33:35

       Heineken 0.0%. Cheers.

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:36

       Yeah. It's supposed to be the shit. Mm.

   13. TPTom Papa33:42

       Tastes like Heineken.

   14. JRJoe Rogan33:43

       It does.

   15. TPTom Papa33:44

       (laughs) There's literally no difference.

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:46

       Pretty damn good for non-alcoholic beer. Doesn't have that weird "I'm f- lying to myself" funk to it.

   17. TPTom Papa33:53

       Yeah, it doesn't have that, uh, weird aftertaste.

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:55

       If I was a junkie ...

   19. TPTom Papa33:57

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:57

       ... I would not wanna try, um-

   21. TPTom Papa34:00

       (laughs) Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:00

       ... opiate-free heroin.

   23. TPTom Papa34:01

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:02

       (laughs)

   25. TPTom Papa34:02

       It, it tastes just like it. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:06

       It just ... (laughs) It just ... (laughs) It just doesn't seem like-

   27. TPTom Papa34:07

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:07

       ... it'd be a smart move, but alcoholics will drink non-alcoholic beer.

   29. TPTom Papa34:12

       Walk into a liquor store, buy this non-alcoholic beer.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:14

       Yeah, you're, you're a rat on the-
10. 35:55 – 39:08

    Opie & Anthony ‘breath strip’ story and why people cling to communities

    1. JRJoe Rogan35:55

       I wonder if there's like a ... You know, um, there's one episode (laughs) of The Opie and Anthony Show. (laughs)

    2. TPTom Papa36:04

       (laughs)

    3. GUGuest36:04

       (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan36:04

       Now that I remember this. (claps hands) Oh my God, I forgot about this.

    5. GUGuest36:07

       (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan36:07

       We gave this gal, um, who sh- ... They had this, uh ... I think it was ... Her name was Stalker Patty.

    7. GUGuest36:13

       (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan36:13

       I think that was her name.

    9. GUGuest36:14

       Oh, yeah. I remember that.

    10. JRJoe Rogan36:14

        We gave this crazy ... They ... You know how radio shows have these regulars-

    11. TPTom Papa36:19

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan36:19

        ... that are always coming to the-

    13. TPTom Papa36:20

        A whack pack or-

    14. JRJoe Rogan36:20

        Yeah.

    15. TPTom Papa36:20

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan36:21

        Well, they gave, uh, this one gal, um, a breath strip, like a standard Listerine breath strip.

    17. TPTom Papa36:27

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan36:27

        And this is back in the day when, um, I used to get pot breath strips.

    19. TPTom Papa36:33

        (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan36:33

        That would ... They would fuck you up so hard.

    21. TPTom Papa36:37

        (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan36:37

        I remember I gave a half of one to Tom Segura when we flew to Florida to do gigs together.

    23. TPTom Papa36:41

        (laughs)

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:41

        And by the time we landed, he's like, "Dude, I wanna tell you something. I, I almost didn't make it."

    25. TPTom Papa36:46

        (laughs) Oh, really?

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:46

        "I was almost telling these people to turn this flight around." (laughs)

    27. TPTom Papa36:49

        Started freaking out.

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:50

        He was freaking out. Half of a breath strip would put you-

    29. TPTom Papa36:53

        Oh my God.

    30. JRJoe Rogan36:54

        ... in a, in an alternative dimension.
11. 39:08 – 46:12

    America’s missing community: church decline, gig economy isolation, and comedian identity

    1. TPTom Papa39:08

       It's important, you know, that, that s- ... I was reading a whole article about that by, uh, David Brooks the other day. And he was saying that that s- ... That, uh, economically, we're richer than we've ever been as a country. And even in the last couple of years, like, poor people, like ... Everyone's standard of living has gone up, which I wasn't really clear on. I thought that, you know, only the rich people were doing ... Were, were, uh, getting richer. But everybody was kind of being lifted up, but we're unhappier than ever before. And the life expectancy is lower than ever before and we're killing ourselves at rates that are higher than ever before. And he was saying that it's that lack of community.

    2. JRJoe Rogan39:45

       Mm.

    3. TPTom Papa39:45

       That w- we don't go to church anymore. We don't belong to those things that gave us meaning-

    4. JRJoe Rogan39:51

       Yeah.

    5. TPTom Papa39:51

       ... every day in our town. And you used to go to church and you'd go to the pool hall or you'd go to the ... You need that sense of belonging. And work is a big part of it. And people now are in this gig economy and they're working Uber, they're working Seamless, they're doing different things. They're isolated. They're by themselves.

    6. JRJoe Rogan40:09

       Mm-hmm.

    7. TPTom Papa40:09

       They're not working with other people. And it's ... He really w- believes that it's that lack of community and that lack of institutions is why we're very, very unhappy as a, as a country right now.

    8. JRJoe Rogan40:20

       It makes sense to me. It makes sense to me as a person who's a part of a vital community.

    9. TPTom Papa40:25

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan40:25

        Um, as a p- ... A comedian.

    11. TPTom Papa40:27

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:27

        You know? Like I was talking ... Jeff Ross was here the other day with Dave Attell and one of the things that he said that really struck with me, he said, "I v- I almost feel like I'm a comedian more than I'm an American." Tsk. I'm like, "I'm a comedian first-"

    13. TPTom Papa40:37

        Wow.

    14. JRJoe Rogan40:37

        "... and I'm an American second."

    15. TPTom Papa40:38

        Right?

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:39

        I was like, "Yeah." Like-

    17. TPTom Papa40:40

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:40

        ... well, if you ... If you're at the airport and you, you know, you run into Dave Attell or whoever it is-

    19. TPTom Papa40:45

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan40:46

        ... like, it's like, that's like there's a light upon them-

    21. TPTom Papa40:49

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan40:49

        ... that comes down from heaven.

    23. TPTom Papa40:50

        Exactly.

    24. JRJoe Rogan40:51

        It's like, "One of mine."

    25. TPTom Papa40:52

        (laughs) yeah. "Hey."

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:53

        Yeah.

    27. TPTom Papa40:53

        Yeah. You just embrace them. That's why I always (laughs) I always get suspicious of comics who didn't embrace me. Like, as soon as you said-

    28. JRJoe Rogan41:00

        Yeah.

    29. TPTom Papa41:00

        ... like ... I was like, "There's something weird with this guy."

    30. JRJoe Rogan41:02

        Yeah, yeah.
12. 46:12 – 1:02:14

    Spiritual seeking and flawed institutions: Catholic Church, yoga gurus, and power abuse

    1. TPTom Papa46:12

       It's a weird thing. And it's weird, you know... My, my youngest wants to go to church. And, uh-

    2. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       How old?

    3. TPTom Papa46:19

       13.

    4. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       Hmm.

    5. TPTom Papa46:21

       And, uh-

    6. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       'Cause of friends? What is it?

    7. TPTom Papa46:24

       Maybe. She has more of a, she has more of a sensitivity and like she knows there's something other than, there's something spiritual going on.

    8. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Give her mushrooms.

    9. TPTom Papa46:32

       (laughs) I think that might've been what kicked the whole thing off.

    10. JRJoe Rogan46:37

        (laughs)

    11. TPTom Papa46:38

        And, uh, and she's just cr- she's s- searching a little bit.

    12. JRJoe Rogan46:42

        Right.

    13. TPTom Papa46:42

        And she wants that. And she likes being able to sit some place and, uh... And we go and it's not like when I was a kid. Like, when I was a kid and we were Catholic, the place was packed. Like, you couldn't find parking. Like, it was like-

    14. JRJoe Rogan46:55

        Right, right, right.

    15. TPTom Papa46:56

        It was a big deal. Like, my father would be like, "We're going early. Come on, get out of the house."

    16. JRJoe Rogan47:00

        (laughs)

    17. TPTom Papa47:00

        "We gotta get a spot. I'm not walking from the back." And it was like a big thing. And now it's like you kinda roll up, it's half full and there's nobody there. And it's, you know... Of course the Catholic Church has a lot of problems and-

    18. JRJoe Rogan47:13

        You think?

    19. TPTom Papa47:14

        ... but, but every, but every-

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:15

        What do you mean by problems?

    21. TPTom Papa47:16

        (laughs) But all these religions-

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:18

        (laughs)

    23. TPTom Papa47:18

        ... have had a little, a little kerfuffle.

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:19

        No, they haven't.

    25. TPTom Papa47:20

        (laughs) A little-

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:21

        No, they haven't.

    27. TPTom Papa47:21

        A little-

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:21

        Not like the Catholic Church.

    29. TPTom Papa47:23

        No, the Catholic Church is the worst.

    30. JRJoe Rogan47:24

        It's the worst.
13. 1:02:14 – 1:22:25

    Evil in men, war, and karma as internal consequence rather than cosmic justice

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

       You know, I mean, like, it's like there's levels to this shit, right? Like, the guy killing his brother is horrific to me.

    2. TPTom Papa1:02:19

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

       The guy killing his brother's wife, more horrific. The guy killing his brother's wife and then kids, impossible, demonic. It's like that ... Uh, what you were saying earlier, like, do you believe in good or evil?

    4. TPTom Papa1:02:28

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:02:29

       I don't know if I believe in it, but if it did exist, it exists in, in the mind of men.

    6. TPTom Papa1:02:33

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

       It exists in, in that time, you know? It's like-

    8. TPTom Papa1:02:36

       I know. Or if ... Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

       But, you know, it's like what ... I, I had this bit that I did on my last special, and it was about men's rights groups. And it was ... I, I was trying to figure out a way to say this and make it be funny, but it's so true that I said, "Men commit most of the murder."

    10. TPTom Papa1:02:54

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:02:54

        "Men commit most of the rape. Men cause all the war." This is ... These are facts.

    12. TPTom Papa1:02:59

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:59

        Like, the most horrific things in our life are war-

    14. TPTom Papa1:03:02

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:03:03

        ... murder, rape. Those are the most horrific things-

    16. TPTom Papa1:03:06

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:06

        ... in all of life. I mean-

    18. TPTom Papa1:03:07

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:03:07

        ... theft pales in comparison. And I think men steal more than women too.

    20. TPTom Papa1:03:11

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:03:11

        But that, th- that's the evil. This is if there was a demon and the demon came down to earth and there was only three things that it could get you to do-

    22. TPTom Papa1:03:19

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:03:19

        ... it would get you to rape, murder, and cause war.

    24. TPTom Papa1:03:21

        Right.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:03:22

        So if a demon was real-

    26. TPTom Papa1:03:23

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:23

        ... the demon would be men. I get ... I said this as a joke, that I get feminists, like, in the special. I was like, "I get it." If I was a feminist, I'd be one too.

    28. TPTom Papa1:03:31

        Mm-hmm.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:31

        I'm like, "I can't be one as a man 'cause they're not real." 'Cause, like, male feminists, like, they're just tricksters. They're just ... Like, show me a male feminist that can pick up heavy things and run really fast.

    30. TPTom Papa1:03:42

        (laughs) Right.

Episode duration: 3:17:16