Joe Rogan Experience #1210 - Tom Papa

Joe Rogan 0:00 ... interesting how, how promotions work.

Tom Papa 0:02 (laughs) Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:04 Here we go. Four, three, two, one. So, Tom Pop and I are sitting here.

Tom Papa 0:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:10 And I say, "Do you s- did you see the fight on Saturday night?"

Tom Papa 0:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:13 And he said, "The guy that got knocked down? Mental health guy?"

Tom Papa 0:16 The mental health guy?

Joe Rogan 0:17 (laughs) No.

Tom Papa 0:17 The guy who got up for everyone with mental health? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:19 Yeah. But he said, "No, I didn't see the fight." Like-

Tom Papa 0:21 "I only saw, (laughs) I only saw that."

Joe Rogan 0:23 ... this is how narratives work.

Tom Papa 0:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:25 You know what I mean? Like, in this day and age especially-

Tom Papa 0:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:28 ... there's way too much information out there, right?

Tom Papa 0:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Like, there's no way you could see every television show or watch every sporting event-

Tom Papa 0:35 No.

Joe Rogan 0:35 ... or, or know every scandal.

Tom Papa 0:37 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:37 So when something happens, you're like, "Oh, uh, the blurb, the, the, the little summary that I have absorbed..."

Tom Papa 0:43 Yeah. My, my one buddy watched it on Instagram. He posted a thing.

Joe Rogan 0:46 (laughs)

Tom Papa 0:46 And it was very heartfelt that he got up for all the (laughs) people with mental health.

Joe Rogan 0:50 Yeah.

Tom Papa 0:50 And, uh, I read that and I feel like I experienced the whole thing. (laughs) But, you know, it's funny. I don't know if he won or lost. I know he got up.

Joe Rogan 0:57 It was a draw.

Tom Papa 0:57 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 0:59 And, uh, I don't have a, a firm opinion on whether or not the, the draw was justified.

Tom Papa 1:04 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:05 'Cause I only watched it once. I thought, I thought that Tyson Fury won most of the rounds, except the two that he got knocked down in.

Tom Papa 1:13 Tyson's the anti-

Joe Rogan 1:14 He's the t-

Tom Papa 1:14 ... mental health guy.

Joe Rogan 1:15 No, he's the white guy.

Tom Papa 1:16 Oh, he's the white guy.

Joe Rogan 1:16 He's the white, the guy that got knocked down.

Tom Papa 1:18 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:18 And Deontay Wilder, it's, he is, he's str- it is, he's strange, in that he has, like, the, the most freaky punching power I think I've ever seen ever.

Tom Papa 1:29 That's what I heard too.

Joe Rogan 1:30 He's not a big guy. I mean, uh, for a heavyweight, he's 212 pounds.

Tom Papa 1:33 He looks pretty big, though.

Joe Rogan 1:34 Oh, he's jacked.

Tom Papa 1:35 Yeah, he's like-

Joe Rogan 1:35 But he's, he's shredded. He has no fat on him whatsoever.

Tom Papa 1:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:38 His back is where all the power is, and that's where all his, his m- muscle is. Like, you see his back, it's just-

Tom Papa 1:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:43 ... fucking, uh, just a bundle of snakes. His back is huge.

Tom Papa 1:46 When I saw the clip, it was like, he knocked him out and then, like, backed up and did a little dance.

Joe Rogan 1:50 Yeah, and Tyson got up.

Tom Papa 1:51 I was like... Yeah, that guy looked pretty bad ass.

Joe Rogan 1:52 But, fuck that guy Wilder punches so hard. And that was in the 12th and final round-

Tom Papa 1:56 Oh, that was?

Joe Rogan 1:57 ... of a fight where he was mostly losing.

Tom Papa 1:59 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:59 He was mostly getting boxed up. He was mostly getting out-boxed. But then he would land, and he landed real hard in, like, what was it? Like, the eighth or the ninth? Something like that. Something like that. He dropped him, but that wasn't a big knockdown.

Tom Papa 2:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:12 He, he knocked him down, but he got up pretty quick and he was, he was okay. But in the 12th, he fucking blasted him.

Tom Papa 2:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:19 He hit him with a right hand, and then as he was falling, he hit him with a left hook on the chin as he was going down.

Tom Papa 2:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:24 Like, uh, and he laid flat on his back with his arms down. He looked unconscious.

Tom Papa 2:28 Yeah, he really did. He l-

Joe Rogan 2:29 And then he rose like Lazarus.

Tom Papa 2:31 (laughs) I know.

Joe Rogan 2:32 Just rise.

Tom Papa 2:32 And he looked pretty sharp when he got on his feet.

Joe Rogan 2:34 He got up and he, he won the rest of the round.

Tom Papa 2:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:36 He won the rest of the round and stung him.

Tom Papa 2:37 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:37 He, he, he stung Deontay Wilder. It was crazy.

Tom Papa 2:40 Because of the mental health kids.

Joe Rogan 2:42 Yes. He was doing it for the mental health people.

Tom Papa 2:44 You think that's really what he was thinking when he was getting up off the canvas?

Joe Rogan 2:47 (laughs)

Tom Papa 2:47 "I'm doing it for the kids." But-

Joe Rogan 2:48 I would never doubt him.

Tom Papa 2:50 Yeah, I mean, there's-

Joe Rogan 2:50 Because he, he really d- he's, he's a very unusual guy. And he donated his entire purse to charity.

Tom Papa 2:57 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:57 All of it. Like $8 million.

Tom Papa 2:59 Bet it... Really?

Joe Rogan 3:00 Yeah. Yeah, he donated all of it to charity.

Tom Papa 3:02 Holy cow.

Joe Rogan 3:03 Yeah.

Tom Papa 3:04 That's great.

Joe Rogan 3:05 He's a fucking really unusual guy. He was, he's been in here. He, he was in the podcast when he was, uh, gearing up for the fight.

Tom Papa 3:11 So I should call him the super nice mental health guy?

Joe Rogan 3:13 He's a very nice guy, very nice guy.

Tom Papa 3:15 Is he big, like-

Joe Rogan 3:16 Giant. 6'9".

Tom Papa 3:18 6'9". (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:18 Yeah.

Tom Papa 3:18 So when you're sitting here you feel like-

Joe Rogan 3:20 He's huge.

Tom Papa 3:20 ... he's a giant.

Joe Rogan 3:21 But he's a, a super sweetheart.

Tom Papa 3:22 Wow.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Very friendly guy.

Tom Papa 3:24 Geez.

Joe Rogan 3:25 Yeah, really well-spoken. You know, he's got that, like, heavy traveler's accent. He's a traveler.

Tom Papa 3:29 Had he made money before?

Joe Rogan 3:30 Oh, yeah. He's the world champion.

Tom Papa 3:31 So he's like-

Joe Rogan 3:32 He was the world champion.

Tom Papa 3:33 ... he's got bank.

Joe Rogan 3:33 Mm-hmm. And, uh, almost killed himself in a Ferrari, almost, uh, committed suicide. He was just headed towards a bridge. He was just gonna fucking either slam into the bridge or drive off the bridge.

Tom Papa 3:43 That was his-

Joe Rogan 3:44 Yeah, he was going 160-

Tom Papa 3:45 ... mental health issue?

Joe Rogan 3:45 ... miles an hour, like, headed towards the bridge and changed his mind.

Tom Papa 3:48 Geez Louise.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Because that's what he looked like before he started his comeback.

Tom Papa 3:52 What?

Joe Rogan 3:52 Yeah, he was 300 pounds.

Tom Papa 3:54 What?

Joe Rogan 3:55 300 plus, right? How, how much did he say he was?

Guest 3:57 I wanna say 485, but-

Joe Rogan 3:59 Yeah, something crazy.

Tom Papa 4:00 Geez.

Joe Rogan 4:00 'Cause he, obviously, he's saying 300, but that doesn't make any sense.

Guest 4:03 Well, 480 kilograms, so 400-

Joe Rogan 4:04 Yeah.

Guest 4:04 ... times 2.2 is...

Joe Rogan 4:06 That's like, what is that?

Guest 4:07 Close to 400 pounds, I think.

Joe Rogan 4:08 Yeah.

Tom Papa 4:09 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 4:10 Um, he's, um-

Tom Papa 4:12 So he was champ, then he fell off and became that chubby?

Joe Rogan 4:15 Well, well, what happened was he beat Wladimir Klitschko, who was a long time heavyweight champion. I mean, Wladimir Klitschko-

Tom Papa 4:22 Right, I remember him.

Joe Rogan 4:22 ... was the champ forever.

Tom Papa 4:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:24 And, uh, he out-boxed him. Like, soundly out-boxed him and, and beat him. And then was like, "Now what?" And went into a depression and started drinking hard-

Tom Papa 4:32 Geez.

Joe Rogan 4:32 ... partying hard, a lot of cocaine, and just fucked his life up.

Tom Papa 4:36 Wow.

Joe Rogan 4:36 Just fucked his life up.

Tom Papa 4:36 'Cause he achieved what he wanted to achieve?

Joe Rogan 4:38 Yeah. I mean, he's calling it mental health, you know, because of depression and all those things, but I... Part of me wants to say that a lot of that is... I mean, I don't know. Obviously I've never been inside of his head, but-

Tom Papa 4:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:49 ... when you're doing that much coke and drinking that much, that has got to be a major factor in why you feel like shit.

Tom Papa 4:56 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:56 And then the, the letdown of this incredible achievement, becoming the heavyweight champion of the world, beating this guy who hadn't been beat in a long time, many, me- many, many years.

Tom Papa 5:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:07 And then, you know, just partying too hard and then getting into a horrible funk, and then deciding-

Tom Papa 5:13 Well, there's always that-

Joe Rogan 5:13 ... to come back.

Tom Papa 5:14 There's always that part of it where, you know, you know that you have that pr- there are those personalities and there's genetics involved and it gets you into the drugs, but then the drugs start going to work on your brain.

Joe Rogan 5:25 Yeah.

Tom Papa 5:25 And it, and it, you know, it becomes something different.

Joe Rogan 5:28 Yeah.

Tom Papa 5:28 It becomes-

Joe Rogan 5:28 (clears throat)

Tom Papa 5:29 ... you know, it's, it's no longer your own consciousness that's working. It's this sponge that just absorbed all of these toxins.

Joe Rogan 5:37 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 5:37 And who knows what's misfiring, what's happening at that point?

Joe Rogan 5:40 We say that as we drink wine. Cheers.

Tom Papa 5:42 Yes, cheers. Happy holidays.

Joe Rogan 5:43 (laughs) But it's the holidays.

Tom Papa 5:43 Thank you for this. Yes.

Joe Rogan 5:44 You can do a little heroin on the holidays. Whatever. Little fucking meth.

Tom Papa 5:48 I was gonna bring you some wine today. This was nice of you to open this.

Joe Rogan 5:51 Mm. This is good stuff, whatever this is. I don't know jack shit about wine.

Tom Papa 5:54 I learned gr- a great method (claps) for Thanksgiving-

Joe Rogan 5:57 Yeah.

Tom Papa 5:57 ... about wine.

Joe Rogan 5:57 What's the method?

Tom Papa 5:58 I went to this place h- in LA.... it's called, uh, 2020 Wine. It's like this --

Joe Rogan 6:04 (laughs)

Tom Papa 6:04 It looks like Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's on the (laughs) on the 405, and, uh, you just walk in. It's just wine, this huge room. Racks and stuff. It's so elegant. It's just, like, this great place to be. It's cool. It's like, temperature-wise, it's like, it's great. And it's intimidating because they have, you know... I don't know that much about wine. I want to, but... And I realized, this w- this was my strategy, and it worked out perfectly. I went to the guy who works there, and I said, "Look, I have 12 people coming over for, uh, Thanksgiving. Show me a $20 bottle of wine or less that I can buy a bunch of for my friends that's gonna blow everyone away." And he lit up like a Christmas tree. It's like, this is what he wants to do. It's like, "Yeah, there's 200 bottle, uh, dollar bottles of wine." (laughs) We know what that is. "I'm g- Come with me." And he... There it is.

Joe Rogan 6:57 Wow.

Tom Papa 6:57 And he took me into the back, in... He found these. He's like, "This one's from Spain, $18. No one knows that it exists." The best wine I've had all year. Another one, this Italian Barolo that nobody knows about, and, "Look at this. It's only $12 a bottle 'cause nobody knows, and we have extra cases." It became, like, his... Of course, that's what a wine guy wants to do.

Joe Rogan 7:19 Right. So is-

Tom Papa 7:19 Like, turn you on.

Joe Rogan 7:20 Is the wine thing that a name is just as important as how good it is?

Tom Papa 7:24 Sure.

Joe Rogan 7:25 Yeah.

Tom Papa 7:25 Like when people... You know, an Opus One or a-

Joe Rogan 7:28 Yeah.

Tom Papa 7:28 ... Camus, or like... We all know that, 'cause it's like-

Joe Rogan 7:30 Right.

Tom Papa 7:31 ... the Mercedes of wines.

Joe Rogan 7:32 Cigars are like that as well. I know more-

Tom Papa 7:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:34 ... about cigar... I don't know much about cigars, but I know more about cigars than I know about wine.

Tom Papa 7:38 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 7:38 And like, everybody wants a Cuban. Everybody wants a Cuban.

Tom Papa 7:39 Oh, yeah, a Cohiba.

Joe Rogan 7:41 Yeah. Oh, oh, my Cristo.

Tom Papa 7:43 The Cohiba. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:43 Yeah. Everybody wants, uh, something that's hard to get.

Tom Papa 7:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:47 Yeah.

Tom Papa 7:47 But this was s- I was like, "Oh, this is w- how you should do it." Find a good wine shop and go to the guy who's waiting to be asked that question.

Joe Rogan 7:54 Yeah.

Tom Papa 7:55 And he's so excited to show you what he learned, and he works in a wine shop, so he's not spending $500 (laughs) for a bottle either.

Joe Rogan 8:01 Me and my buddy-

Tom Papa 8:01 He knows the good shit.

Joe Rogan 8:03 My buddy, Mark DellaGrotta, and I were in Florida. We were eating at this very nice Italian restaurant with a bunch of people from the UFC.

Tom Papa 8:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:08 And we just said, uh, "Let's get a nice bottle of wine. You ever have a nice bottle of wine?" I'm like, "I've had good bottles of wine," but, uh, this place had like bot- bottles of wine from the '70s.

Tom Papa 8:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:17 So I said, "All right. Let's go fucking crazy."

Tom Papa 8:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:19 And I bought a bottle of wine from 1974.

Tom Papa 8:21 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 8:23 This is better.

Tom Papa 8:24 This is better. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:24 This is... This one's better. It was like... It was weird. I mean, like, I guess if you're a real connoisseur, like-

Tom Papa 8:30 Mm.

Joe Rogan 8:30 ... part of it is like, Roberto Duran was the champ when this was bottled.

Tom Papa 8:34 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 8:35 There's- there's like stuff, there's stuff about it. (laughs)

Tom Papa 8:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:38 We're like-

Tom Papa 8:38 I was in the third grade.

Joe Rogan 8:41 (laughs) Yeah. There's something about it.

Tom Papa 8:41 This is for Mrs. McMillan.

Joe Rogan 8:43 But it- it was li- It felt like it had less alcohol.

Tom Papa 8:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:47 And I think that's, uh, one of the things that maybe happens. The- the flavor starts, starts to morph and change. It just felt less potent.

Tom Papa 8:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:57 Like almost more watered down. It wasn't that good. I didn't enjoy it.

Tom Papa 9:00 Well, there's cer- There's-

Joe Rogan 9:00 I didn't... I- I enjoyed it, but I didn't love it.

Tom Papa 9:03 Right. And that... You know. And you probably paid a lot for it.

Joe Rogan 9:05 It was like $1,000.

Tom Papa 9:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:07 I'm not joking.

Tom Papa 9:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:08 I think it was $1,000 bottle of wine.

Tom Papa 9:09 I'm telling you, this...

Joe Rogan 9:10 So stupid.

Tom Papa 9:11 On Thanksgiving, we had... It- it was $18 bottles of wine.

Joe Rogan 9:14 (laughs) It's probably way better than what I have.

Tom Papa 9:15 And blowing our heads off. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:16 Yeah. Probably way better.

Tom Papa 9:17 So great.

Joe Rogan 9:17 Yeah.

Tom Papa 9:18 They're- they're... You know, I try and learn about 'em. And there are certain wines they say. Like, there are certain Brunellos that, like, those should age, and those you can go, like, 20 years, and, you know, it'll get even better at 30. And then there's other wines, at that same amount of time, they'll go sour, and they'll get funky. So it's so hard to tell. So it's-

Joe Rogan 9:37 There's apps.

Tom Papa 9:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:38 There's an app that I have.

Tom Papa 9:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:39 I've never fucking opened it once.

Tom Papa 9:40 I have.

Joe Rogan 9:40 But I downloaded it. It's like Vino something or other.

Tom Papa 9:42 Vivo.

Joe Rogan 9:43 Ooh, you almost went down with that.

Tom Papa 9:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:44 That would have been- Right on the board.

Tom Papa 9:47 It's got a power lid.

Joe Rogan 9:47 Oh, it's got a powerful lid? Nice. 'Cause that was like headed towards the board.

Tom Papa 9:50 James ain't... He's not even drinking right now.

Joe Rogan 9:51 I don't fuck with laptops in front of me anymore. I've learned my lesson.

Tom Papa 9:55 I was doing a show (laughs) on Saturday.

Joe Rogan 9:57 (laughs)

Tom Papa 9:57 My friend had a laptop. She had a glass of water-

Joe Rogan 10:00 Oh, no. No, no, no.

Tom Papa 10:00 ... and a salad on (laughs) like, the keyboard.

Joe Rogan 10:03 Don't do that.

Tom Papa 10:03 I'm like, "What are you do..." (laughs) "How confident are you?"

Joe Rogan 10:04 Why would you do that? It's like having a gun on your baby's head.

Tom Papa 10:07 (laughs) Right? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:08 Like sit, sit the gun here. Rest your head on the gun.

Tom Papa 10:11 Separate it.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Yeah.

Tom Papa 10:12 No, but this was, this was such a great way to do it. And we... There's so... Like, you can focus in on one kind of wine and really-

Joe Rogan 10:18 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 10:18 ... kind of learn it. And that's a lot.

Joe Rogan 10:21 Yeah.

Tom Papa 10:21 Like, that would be a lot of studying. To learn all of wine and, like, going to a fancy restaurant (laughs) and be like, "I'm just gonna pick from the men-" You can't.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Right, right.

Tom Papa 10:28 You know?

Joe Rogan 10:29 Yeah.

Tom Papa 10:29 What-

Joe Rogan 10:29 I think it's like... It's one of those things where you have to t- You- you really have to talk to someone who's put in the time.

Tom Papa 10:35 Yes, totally.

Joe Rogan 10:37 Yeah.

Tom Papa 10:37 That's... Yeah. My b- my-

Joe Rogan 10:38 Like, here's, here's something that I know a lot about. Pool cues.

Tom Papa 10:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:41 I know a lot about pool cues. (laughs)

Tom Papa 10:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:43 So if you- if- if you come to me and, um, you know, you say, "Hey, I'm thinking about buying this pool cue. What do you think?"

Tom Papa 10:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:49 I'll go, "Okay. Well, here's what you need to know."

Tom Papa 10:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:51 "Like, that's a, that's a very expensive pool cue, and it's expensive 'cause it's a collector's item 'cause the guy who makes it is dead." However-

Tom Papa 10:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:57 ... in terms of, like, how it plays, it does not play any better than a pool cue that costs one small fraction of what that costs. And then I could turn you on to a bunch of custom pool cue makers-

Tom Papa 11:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:08 ... that make a really good cue for like a fraction of what you would pay for that cue. And I'm telling you, like, you would play with this cue and be happy with it for the rest of your life.

Tom Papa 11:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:17 But it'll cost you, you know, $500 as opposed to... There's cues that are $15,000, $20,000 and- and up.

Tom Papa 11:24 Jeez. Jeez.

Joe Rogan 11:24 They're like the really ornate and, and, and beautiful ones.

Tom Papa 11:27 And this is a lifetime, your adult lifetime, of learning about this.

Joe Rogan 11:30 Y- Oh man, I've-

Tom Papa 11:31 You've been immersed.

Joe Rogan 11:32 I started playing pool in 1990-ish, '91, 1991. That's when I probably bought my first pool cue, so it's a long ass time.

Tom Papa 11:40 What's a good, what's a good pool cue for bumper pool?

Joe Rogan 11:42 (laughs)

Tom Papa 11:43 (laughs) My, my neighbors had a-

Joe Rogan 11:45 Oh, shit.

Tom Papa 11:45 My neighbors had a bumper pool table when I was a kid. It was badass.

Joe Rogan 11:49 It's pretty stupid.

Tom Papa 11:50 It was so stupid. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:50 Such a dumb game.

Tom Papa 11:52 The, the, the-

Joe Rogan 11:53 (laughs)

Tom Papa 11:53 (laughs) My, my friend, the older brother, Mark, he was the- the dominant one because he was able to jump over the bumpers-

Joe Rogan 11:59 Oh.

Tom Papa 11:59 ... and get on the other side.

Joe Rogan 12:00 It's called cheating.

Tom Papa 12:01 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:02 Yeah. Cheating.... yeah, that, uh, jumping is a very controversial thing in the world of pool.

Tom Papa 12:07 You're not allowed to jump?

Joe Rogan 12:08 Well-

Tom Papa 12:09 You can but it's hacked?

Joe Rogan 12:10 ... there's jumping and then there's bar table jumping, right? Like, when you play with people on a bar, they think they're jumping the pool cue, but what they're doing is they- they- they're scooping under the cue ball-

Tom Papa 12:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:20 ... with their, with their tip. Like, they go under it and it sort of makes the cue ball pop up in the air. It's really like-

Tom Papa 12:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:26 ... miscueing, is what it's like.

Tom Papa 12:27 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:27 It's a foul. The way you're supposed to jump a ball is shoot down on it and make it hop over.

Tom Papa 12:33 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:33 What's the matter, Jamie?

Guest 12:33 Have you seen this before?

Joe Rogan 12:35 Yeah. That's a-

Guest 12:35 The most expensive?

Joe Rogan 12:36 ... that's a McDermott, um, it's, like, called the Excalibur or some shit like that.

Tom Papa 12:40 That's a pool cue?

Joe Rogan 12:41 It is what it is, man.

Tom Papa 12:42 (laughs)

Guest 12:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:42 It's, it's foolish.

Tom Papa 12:44 It looks like a sickle that the Grim Reaper comes to take you away with. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:47 Yeah. (laughs) Well, this was a cue that was made a long time ago. It was made back in the fucking '90s or something. But that's not the most expensive pool cue in the world. There's a-

Tom Papa 12:54 Is that whole thing the cue?

Guest 12:55 It says it sold for 150 grand.

Joe Rogan 12:57 That's not the most expensive cue in the world.

Guest 12:59 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 12:59 No. No, the most expensive cue in the world is a Gina Cue. Gina Cue is actually right here in, uh, North Hollywood. That's... They call it the most expensive cue in the world. They-

Tom Papa 13:07 Is that whole thing the cue?

Joe Rogan 13:08 It's nonsense. That's not really-

Tom Papa 13:10 Or is that a stand and a cue?

Joe Rogan 13:11 See, it's a cue. That whole... All the blades and everything like that?

Tom Papa 13:15 What would you do with that?

Joe Rogan 13:16 It's nonsense. It's nonsense. I'm telling you, it's nonsense.

Tom Papa 13:18 (laughs) It is nonsense.

Joe Rogan 13:18 It's nonsense. It's nonsense. It's like having a car and you decide to glue diamonds on it. It's fucking stupid.

Tom Papa 13:22 (laughs) Yeah.

Guest 13:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:23 "This is the most expensive car in the world. It costs a billion dollars." Shut the fuck up.

Tom Papa 13:28 (laughs)

Guest 13:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:28 That cue weighs nine and a half pounds, okay?

Tom Papa 13:30 I s- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:31 You know what a real cue weighs? A hi-... A very heavy cue, very heavy-

Tom Papa 13:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:35 ... is 21 ounces. Like, if you play with it, like, if you find out that a pro plays with a 21-ounce cue, you're like, "Wow." Like, rarely-

Tom Papa 13:41 It's heavy.

Joe Rogan 13:41 ... a guy will play with a 24-ounce cue and you're like, "Wow, that guy's crazy." That fucking thing is nine and a half pounds.

Tom Papa 13:47 (laughs)

Guest 13:47 Dude.

Joe Rogan 13:47 That piece of shit.

Tom Papa 13:48 That's stupid. That's like the, those, the women that get the, the gigantic, uh, hefty (laughs) uh, hippity-hops for boobs. It's like, everyone's getting big-

Joe Rogan 13:56 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 13:56 ... and then that one you're like, "All right."

Joe Rogan 13:57 They get, like, triple-Z boobs. Yeah.

Tom Papa 14:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:00 That's just not a real pool cue.

Tom Papa 14:01 What's the one in, in North Hollywood?

Joe Rogan 14:03 The G... Well, he makes... Gina... His, his name is Ernie Gutierrez and he makes, uh, all sorts... I have one of his cues.

Tom Papa 14:11 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 14:11 That's Ernie right there.

Tom Papa 14:12 Ah, look at him.

Joe Rogan 14:13 He makes... I mean-

Tom Papa 14:15 Wasn't he married to Cher?

Joe Rogan 14:16 No. That's Sonny Bono.

Tom Papa 14:18 Oh.

Joe Rogan 14:18 That guy's dead. You're an asshole. I gotta end this podcast now.

Tom Papa 14:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:21 Um, Ernie is, uh, I mean, he's like a real innovator in the world of pool cues. He makes beautiful, beautiful cues.

Tom Papa 14:28 That is beautiful.

Joe Rogan 14:29 But he had one that he made that was filled with, like... I don't wanna say what the material was, but I believe it had an ivory handle.

Tom Papa 14:37 Gummy bears?

Joe Rogan 14:37 The handle was made out of solid ivory.

Tom Papa 14:39 Oh.

Joe Rogan 14:39 And I think it had gold and all sorts of other shit in it. But it went for a half a million dollars.

Tom Papa 14:44 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 14:44 It's worth a half a million dollars, but I think the deal is that he won't sell it. He's very wealthy.

Tom Papa 14:49 Wow.

Joe Rogan 14:49 He does really well. But he's-

Tom Papa 14:51 All from that? All from making pool cues?

Joe Rogan 14:52 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. His, his pool cues, like, in Japan and also all throughout Asia, they're, they're really revered. Like, he-

Tom Papa 14:59 Wow.

Joe Rogan 14:59 ... he could sell his stuff anywhere. His cues are very expensive on the aftermarket too.

Tom Papa 15:03 He makes them all by hand? Like, that kind of thing?

Joe Rogan 15:05 He... Well, he designs them all and then he uses, um, computer-controlled machines, they're called CNC machines-

Tom Papa 15:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:12 ... to put everything together and piece it so that everything's perfect.

Tom Papa 15:14 Wow.

Joe Rogan 15:15 Yeah, but they're all, like, his designs and very-

Tom Papa 15:17 Is that like 3D printing?

Joe Rogan 15:19 No. No.

Tom Papa 15:19 No?

Joe Rogan 15:19 It's, um, it's... What it is is like you have a design and you put it into this computer and you, you put the spe-... I, I don't know 100% of the process, but-

Tom Papa 15:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:29 ... you put your... the specifications, like how wide you want inlays to be and h-... and they make them exactly the same size and the points fit exactly the same way.

Tom Papa 15:41 Wow. Impressive.

Joe Rogan 15:43 Yeah. It's all super complicated stuff. But the point is, like, if you were a guy who wanted to buy a pool cue and you just, you know, went to a website-

Tom Papa 15:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:53 ... you're, you're lost. You're lost like me trying to buy wine.

Tom Papa 15:56 In a wine shop.

Joe Rogan 15:57 Yeah. Like, "I don't know what the fuck I'm looking at."

Tom Papa 15:58 (laughs) Right, exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:00 Yeah. It's weird.

Tom Papa 16:00 Yeah. This is good wine though. What is this?

Joe Rogan 16:02 It's very good. This is, uh, says Chateau Vigneaux.

Tom Papa 16:07 Ooh, I didn't know you spoke French.

Joe Rogan 16:09 I do. I do. Oui, oui. You see French... Paris is going crazy right now?

Tom Papa 16:13 Ah.

Joe Rogan 16:13 They've been having these crazy riots.

Tom Papa 16:15 No. What's up?

Joe Rogan 16:16 Every time I think about visiting Paris, there's some new shit that goes down over there.

Tom Papa 16:20 I know. It kind of feels like a little, like a, like a jewel box that is about to explode (laughs) all the time.

Joe Rogan 16:26 It's not good, man. You know, it's not good.

Tom Papa 16:29 Is it... Is it workers? What kind of riot?

Joe Rogan 16:31 Well, the weird thing is everyone who's rioting is wearing those, um, reflective vests.

Tom Papa 16:36 What?

Joe Rogan 16:36 Like, see that? Yeah, they're wearing these-

Tom Papa 16:37 That's Paris right now?

Joe Rogan 16:38 Yep. They're wearing these yellow reflective vests and lighting things on fire and smashing stores, so, like-

Tom Papa 16:44 Who is?

Joe Rogan 16:44 ... these, Gucci and Sh... these, these protesters. They've been going... Scroll back up so we can read about it, what it says.

Tom Papa 16:49 Oh my God. That looks violent.

Joe Rogan 16:49 It says 17 pictures. (clears throat) Oh, it's terrible and it keeps getting worse. It keeps getting worse. I mean, it started November 17th when French drivers sporting yellow vests led a demonstration. Apparently, it has to do with oil prices rising, rising, uh, fuel prices.

Tom Papa 17:04 280,000 people.

Joe Rogan 17:05 Four people have died. Hundreds have been injured. Thousands of dollars worth of property has been damaged. The protests that started November 17th when French drivers sporting yellow vests led a demonstration of 280,000 people across the country to push back against the rising taxes on gas and diesel.

Tom Papa 17:20 What?

Joe Rogan 17:20 Uh, French President Emmanuel Macron.

Tom Papa 17:24 Macron. I love a nice macaron.

Joe Rogan 17:26 As part of his many economic reforms, announced the gas taxes early this year to minimize France's reliance on fossil fuels. That's a fucking shitty way-

Tom Papa 17:35 Geez.

Joe Rogan 17:35 ... to handle, you know, reliance on fossil fuels. You do the opposite, you cunt face.

Tom Papa 17:40 What?

Joe Rogan 17:40 You, you don't charge people money, you know? You don't charge people extra money and make it more expensive. You, you-

Tom Papa 17:45 Then they'll use it less.

Joe Rogan 17:46 ... you, you give them subsidies for electric cars, you stupid prick.

Tom Papa 17:49 Yes. This is si-

Joe Rogan 17:50 Don't you understand the American way, you piece of shit?

Tom Papa 17:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:53 Jesus. I love talking-

Tom Papa 17:55 Well, they-

Joe Rogan 17:55 ... like, real authoritative about things I know nothing about.

Tom Papa 17:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:57 What does it say? C- where... Scroll back up there.

Tom Papa 18:00 I really believe you, dude.

Joe Rogan 18:00 Scroll back to where it was.

Guest 18:01 How much it cost? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:02 Uh, the price of fuel. That's it. 30 cents a gallon. They went crazy. 30 cents a gallon, they're trying to kill people. Gas already costs about $7 per gallon in France.

Tom Papa 18:11 Wow.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Fuck that, man.

Tom Papa 18:13 Wow. So it's just gonna break people's backs and they're not gonna be able to-

Joe Rogan 18:15 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 18:16 ... drive them to their bread shop.

Joe Rogan 18:17 Do you remember when Bush was leaving office and they jacked the fucking price of gas way up?

Tom Papa 18:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:22 Dude, there were people that were panicking.

Tom Papa 18:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:25 You know?

Guest 18:25 September 11th, there was, like, lines everywhere, 'cause we thought-

Joe Rogan 18:27 Oh, right.

Guest 18:28 ... it was gonna just a- empty. There'd be no more gas-

Joe Rogan 18:30 That's right. Yeah.

Guest 18:31 ... is what people thought.

Tom Papa 18:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:31 But the, the price didn't, I don't think it, the price radically went up.

Guest 18:34 Some people went up. Some places ch- were charging, like, $25 a gallon at gas stations.

Joe Rogan 18:37 Assholes. They should go to jail.

Tom Papa 18:38 Yeah, it's so gross.

Joe Rogan 18:39 Assholes.

Tom Papa 18:40 But that's, that's kind of insane. Like, the people used to have riots like that when, when wheat would spike and people couldn't eat.

Joe Rogan 18:47 Mm-hmm. Whoa, look at this.

Tom Papa 18:47 Like, if you...

Joe Rogan 18:47 They're lighting cars on fire?

Tom Papa 18:48 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 18:50 That's a shitty little car anyway.

Tom Papa 18:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:52 Probably, the guy probably wanted to light it on fire.

Tom Papa 18:53 (laughs) Yeah, finally. He's not even part of the protest, he's just happened-

Joe Rogan 18:58 Yes, somebody was telling me-

Tom Papa 19:00 ... to light his car on fire that day.

Joe Rogan 19:00 ... about this. Somebody was telling me about this. I was at a little kids' party and I was talking to one of the dads, and he was telling me, um, about this, uh, thing that happened, this, th- I think it was in Northern California. It was a fire. Fuck, it might not've been Northern California. It was a fire and, um, th- initially they thought it was just, uh, a fire, but then the CEO and his vice president were, both of their houses caught fire.

Tom Papa 19:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:31 So then they thought it was, like, an attack-

Tom Papa 19:33 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 19:34 ... on both people, and then they realized, no, it was a murder, and one of the guys killed the guy and his family and then lit his house on fire and then went back to his house and lit his own house on fire-

Tom Papa 19:45 What?

Joe Rogan 19:45 ... to make it look like they were going after both of them.

Tom Papa 19:47 Oh. And he's the only one that survived?

Joe Rogan 19:49 Yeah, whoopsies.

Tom Papa 19:50 That just happened in New Jersey. A guy-

Joe Rogan 19:52 Was it in New Jersey? Maybe that was it.

Tom Papa 19:54 A guy murdered his whole family.

Joe Rogan 19:55 Hmm.

Tom Papa 19:55 No, his own family.

Joe Rogan 19:57 I think, yeah. Oh.

Tom Papa 19:57 And then lit the house on fire, too.

Joe Rogan 19:59 Then maybe that's it. Maybe I'm getting a fucked-up version of the story.

Tom Papa 20:02 I get drunk at kid parties too.

Joe Rogan 20:03 Oh.

Tom Papa 20:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:04 It's the only way to go by. (laughs) "Family massacre disguised as a massive fire in New Jersey." Yeah, that's it. This is the story. So, um, make that a little larger please. It says, uh, "There was more than a brotherly bond between Paul and Keith..." Yeah, that, that's right.

Tom Papa 20:16 What part of New Jersey?

Joe Rogan 20:18 (clears throat)

Tom Papa 20:18 That's where I'm from.

Joe Rogan 20:18 "They shared businesses, vacationed together, and settled about 11 miles from each other in the suburbs of New Jersey. But two days before Thanksgiving, a horrific chain of events would forever tear them apart."

Tom Papa 20:29 Oh, his brother?

Joe Rogan 20:30 Yeah. That's what it is.

Tom Papa 20:31 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 20:31 So I was getting a really fucked-up version of this story. (laughs)

Tom Papa 20:35 (laughs)

Guest 20:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:35 "Paul Ca-..." How do you say that name? Canerio? Caner-

Tom Papa 20:38 Uh, Cannierro.

Joe Rogan 20:39 Caner- Canierro?

Tom Papa 20:40 Cannierro.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Cannierro.

Tom Papa 20:41 The Cannierro brothers.

Joe Rogan 20:43 He's accused of killing his youngest brother, his sister-in-law, and their children.

Tom Papa 20:47 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 20:47 This is what's fucked up. Like, what, what, how does a guy go from never killing anybody to killing a wife and daughter?

Tom Papa 20:56 So he killed his brother-

Joe Rogan 20:57 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 20:58 ... and his brother's whole family?

Joe Rogan 21:00 Yeah.

Tom Papa 21:00 Oh my Go- I thought he killed his own family.

Joe Rogan 21:02 And then he had, and then he set his own home on fire with his wife and daughter inside, tried to make it look as if the whole family had been targeted.

Tom Papa 21:08 Wow.

Joe Rogan 21:08 His family got out of the home safely.

Tom Papa 21:11 Oh, can you imagine the panic? Like...

Joe Rogan 21:14 What the fuck, man?

Tom Papa 21:14 You just murdered these people, you run back and you light your-

Joe Rogan 21:16 No, don't scroll, don't scroll. Go back, go back.

Tom Papa 21:17 ... you light your own house on fire and you're like... Can you imagine, like, while you're lighting your house on fire, thinking, like, the, the intensity of, "This is gonna work. I'm gonna get out of this. Th- th- this is where the plan goes." And poof.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Well, what's really fucked up-

Tom Papa 21:31 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 21:31 ... how does a person kill... I mean, I understand you're mad at a guy and you fucking hate each other. "Fuck you." "Fuck you!" And you start fighting and then you wind up killing each other. How do you kill his wife and daughters?

Tom Papa 21:43 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 21:43 I mean, how do you do that? How, what, like, what switch goes on? Like, is he just trying to-

Tom Papa 21:48 Yeah, 'cause he's just walking around, like-

Joe Rogan 21:50 Scroll, go back up. It says he's killed his sister-in-law, it said he's ki- he's accus- he's accused of killing his younger brother, his sister-in-law, and their children. Like, how many children? Like, who was... Hey, he killed kids.

Tom Papa 22:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:02 Yeah, so this is a guy who's never murdered anybody.

Tom Papa 22:04 Just walking around Colts Neck Township, New Jersey.

Joe Rogan 22:07 Yeah. He's a businessman. Probably never done anything really major in his life.

Tom Papa 22:12 Right, probably, like, was at a, uh, like a business meeting, like-

Joe Rogan 22:15 Yeah.

Tom Papa 22:15 ... two days before with some guy.

Joe Rogan 22:17 What the fuck, man?

Tom Papa 22:18 Just living his life, talking about the Giants.

Joe Rogan 22:21 Like, what the fuck? What is that?

Tom Papa 22:23 His wife and his two daughters. Oh my...

Joe Rogan 22:26 Oh. "Several twists in the case have aroused law enforcement."

Tom Papa 22:28 Oh no, look at that. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 22:29 What?

Tom Papa 22:29 "He then allegedly set his own home on fire with his wife and-

Joe Rogan 22:33 Yeah.

Tom Papa 22:33 ... his daughters inside."

Joe Rogan 22:34 Did you not hear me say that?

Tom Papa 22:36 I thought you were talking about his, uh, his brother's family.

Joe Rogan 22:39 No. No. He killed his brother and his family, set the house on fam- on fire, then lit his own house on fire to make it look like he was being targeted.

Tom Papa 22:45 I knew that, but I didn't know his, he had kids in him- in his house.

Joe Rogan 22:48 Yeah, it says his wife and his daughters were inside.

Tom Papa 22:50 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 22:51 "To try to make it look as if his whole family's being targeted," his brother and him.

Tom Papa 22:54 Ah, my God.

Joe Rogan 22:56 "His family got out of the home safely."

Tom Papa 22:59 Wow.

Joe Rogan 23:00 Fucking unbelievable, man.

Tom Papa 23:02 Think about his kids right now are like, "What did Dad... What?"

Joe Rogan 23:05 Yeah.

Tom Papa 23:05 "What?"

Joe Rogan 23:06 Jesus Christ.

Tom Papa 23:07 He... Oh my God. What a monster.

Joe Rogan 23:10 "A family of four was killed before sunrise." Scroll up there. "Somewhere between midnight and 5:00 AM, Paul Cannierro was walking around his brother's $1.5 million Colts Neck home armed with a knife and a gun."

Tom Papa 23:25 Ai-yi-yi.

Joe Rogan 23:26 "His brother has been in front of the white mansion when a deadly confrontation unfolded. Paul fired multiple shots, striking Keith..." Fucking A, man.

Tom Papa 23:34 When you got mad at me for not following this story clearly, did you feel like you could kill me?

Joe Rogan 23:38 No, not yet.

Tom Papa 23:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:40 I need more. I need more than that. (laughs) Jesus Christ.

Tom Papa 23:44 Stop. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:44 "He walked inside, found his wife's, uh, found Keith's wife, Jennifer. He shot and stabbed her and then stabbed their children, Jessie, 11, and Sophia, eight." What the fuck, man?

Tom Papa 23:56 What the hell?

Joe Rogan 23:56 "Then he took some documents and set a fire in the basement."

Tom Papa 24:00 What were they doing, like, the week before?

Joe Rogan 24:02 He fucking stabbed an eight-year-old, dude. An eight-year-old girl.

Tom Papa 24:06 In her sleep.

Joe Rogan 24:07 How did, how the fuck does someone... Ugh.

Tom Papa 24:09 In her sleep.

Joe Rogan 24:11 Did it say, "In her sleep"?

Tom Papa 24:12 Well, it was 5:00 AM.

Joe Rogan 24:14 Mm, doesn't matter, man. He's, there's gunshots in the house.

Tom Papa 24:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:16 The kids might've gotten up.Oh, my God. (sighs)

Tom Papa 24:20 Good Lord.

Joe Rogan 24:21 What a monster.

Tom Papa 24:22 A monster. What was this guy like the month before? Like, what the hell?

Joe Rogan 24:27 Look at that normal looking house. Shit, that is the normalest looking normal house ever.

Tom Papa 24:32 Do you believe-

Joe Rogan 24:34 (sighs)

Tom Papa 24:35 ... that there isn't always a presence of good and evil in the world? Like, like, that it's not just g- evil deeds. What this guy did was evil. But do you believe that there is a real presence of evil, that it's like a thing that takes over people or takes over... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 24:58 Like, like, like-

Tom Papa 25:00 Like, good and evil. Is that more than just people's actions or is it, like, a, a, a force of nature? Is there a good force of nature and an evil force of nature that is constantly using people and using things as, as a catalyst or-

Joe Rogan 25:14 I don't think na-

Tom Papa 25:14 ... or, or as a-

Joe Rogan 25:15 Okay.

Tom Papa 25:15 ... instrument?

Joe Rogan 25:16 Well, let's break this down. I don't think nature is the right way to approach it, because I don't think there's good or evil in nature.

Tom Papa 25:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:21 I think nature, nature is actually far more moral than humans are, because what, with nature, it's just about survival, right?

Tom Papa 25:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:28 It's predators and prey and they kill things and eat things. But when animals in nature kill, like what they call surplus killings, where wolves will kill like 18 elk and not, not eat them-

Tom Papa 25:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:40 ... they're just, they're just going on their instincts. These things are there to be killed and they, they can get 'em because they can't run away, maybe it's thick snow or something like that.

Tom Papa 25:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:48 So they just can't help it, they just tear 'em apart, 'cause their instincts are... They drive them to kill 'cause that's how they survive.

Tom Papa 25:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:55 That's how their family survives. They're killing and they're, they're, they're eating these elk and this is just what they do. And even if they kill a bunch of them that, where they can't eat them-

Tom Papa 26:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:03 ... their instinct is to kill because that's how they survive. It's natural. It's normal.

Tom Papa 26:07 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 26:08 With humans, w- it's very different, because with humans, there's consequences, right? And there's law and there's other humans finding out. So there's deception and then there's, there's selfishness, and there's the, the fear of getting caught. And then there's your own, your own survival instincts, in terms of like you don't wanna get locked up in jail, you don't wanna get caught for something.

Tom Papa 26:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:32 So I think, if I had to guess, that this guy didn't think he was gonna kill this guy's wife and family, probably didn't even think he was gonna kill this guy. They probably got into a heated argument and they, they're stupid.

Tom Papa 26:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:44 And he... You know, he's a Guinea. He's... That's my people.

Tom Papa 26:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:47 They s- they do stupid... Your people too.

Tom Papa 26:49 Guinearo.

Joe Rogan 26:49 They, they do stupid shit. You know, they're-

Tom Papa 26:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:51 ... they're fiery people. And those, those fiery people... I swore off Italian girls when I was 21.

Tom Papa 26:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:58 I had an Italian girl take a swing at me when I was 21. I was like, "That's it for me. I'm done." I'm like, "I'm not hitting one back. This is just too fucking kooky."

Tom Papa 27:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:06 Some, some... Look, some men-

Tom Papa 27:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:08 ... and some women are fucking crazy. And I, I, I believe in epigenetics. You know, I see how wacky my fucking own kids are.

Tom Papa 27:14 What's epiogen- genetics?

Joe Rogan 27:15 Epigenetics... Well, let's, let's Google it so I don't bust up the, uh, the actual definition. But essentially, it's... I bel- th- the way I'm using it is that there's certain traits that are not just environmental traits, they're inherited traits. And that you... Here, we'll pull it up here.

Tom Papa 27:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:33 "The study that changes in organisms caused by the modification of gene expression rather than the alteration of the genetic code itself." Hmm. There's better-

Tom Papa 27:41 Study?

Joe Rogan 27:41 There's better words than that. There's better, uh, better definitions than that. "The study of heritable changes in gene expression." There you go. "Active versus inactive genes that do not involve changes to the underlying DNA sequence, a change in the phenotype without a change in the genotype which in turn affects how cells read the genes."

Tom Papa 28:02 Oh, great. Now I know less about it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:04 Hmm. Interesting. I think there's traits. And this is v- this is a very, um, this is a very controversial, yet, um, very, uh, fascinating field of study. Because what they're doing is they're, they're finding out that children that are twins, that are separated, by, you know, when they're babies-

Tom Papa 28:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:27 ... they go into different foster homes-

Tom Papa 28:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:28 ... and they're raised by different families, have incredibly remarkably similar-

Tom Papa 28:34 Lives.

Joe Rogan 28:35 ... characteristics, lives-

Tom Papa 28:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:36 ... loves, uh, um, desires, like what they're in- interested in, incredibly similar.

Tom Papa 28:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:42 And they're suspecting that a lot of the inf-... Like, you, you, w- we are a combination of nature and nurture. I think that's safe to say.

Tom Papa 28:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:51 And I think that there, you certainly... A lot of things happen to kids when they're young that shape their life, whether it's physical or sexual abuse, whether it's exposure to violence, or whether it's positive things, like love and encouragement and, and inspiration. But there's certain information, I think, that's transferred from the parent to the child while the child is in the womb and when... During, during the conception of the child, I think there's traits that come from the father and traits that come from the mother.

Tom Papa 29:21 Biological.

Joe Rogan 29:22 Biologically. And I think this is undeniable across species. And I think this is why dogs... Like, my dog has no fucking idea who his parents are.

Tom Papa 29:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:30 He doesn't give a shit. (laughs)

Tom Papa 29:31 Right. (laughs) He's not looking for 'em.

Joe Rogan 29:33 He's not looking for 'em. Yeah.

Tom Papa 29:35 He's, he, (laughs) he's not on 23andme.com.

Joe Rogan 29:37 Exactly.

Tom Papa 29:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:38 I grab that leash and he's like, "We running today, Dad?"

Tom Papa 29:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:41 And his...... what are you doing, Joe?

Tom Papa 29:43 (laughs) It's so funny.

Guest 29:45 That movie, have you all watched it yet, The Three Identical Strangers? These guys were separated at birth.

Joe Rogan 29:48 No, I haven't. But it's, it's about this exact very thing, right?

Tom Papa 29:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:52 Yeah. Um, did you watch it?

Guest 29:53 No. I, I've started to, like, watch the trailers and stuff, but I just-

Tom Papa 29:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:56 Was it good? Was it supposed to be good?

Guest 29:57 Oh, no. I've been waiting for it to come out on Netflix.

Joe Rogan 29:58 Oh, it's on on Netflix?

Tom Papa 29:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:59 Um, but-

Tom Papa 30:00 Yeah, your dog's not like, "I wonder what my dad's doing now."

Joe Rogan 30:02 Yeah. He-

Tom Papa 30:03 "Why did he leave me?"

Joe Rogan 30:04 Yeah.

Tom Papa 30:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:04 He's like, " (yawns) Maybe we're gonna go to an awesome house together in the woods." No, but he's got certain instincts, like, he lifts up his leg to piss on things.

Tom Papa 30:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:12 You know, he smells things. Like, and, and he chases squirrels. Like, there's, there's things that are in ... He's a retriever, right? He's a golden retriever, so he brings things back. I mean, that's like-

Tom Papa 30:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:21 I had Pit Bulls before and th- they'll bring things back, but you gotta teach them.

Tom Papa 30:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:25 They don't wanna bring things back, and they definitely don't wanna let go.

Tom Papa 30:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:28 What they wanna do is play tug-of-war with shit. Like, but he lets things go.

Tom Papa 30:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:31 And it's, like, natural for him.

Tom Papa 30:32 That soft mouth.

Joe Rogan 30:33 Yes.

Tom Papa 30:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:34 His very soft mouth.

Tom Papa 30:34 I have a black Lab-

Joe Rogan 30:35 Yeah.

Tom Papa 30:35 ... who does the same thing.

Joe Rogan 30:36 They hold things gently because they're used to retrieving ducks and, and-

Tom Papa 30:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:39 ... animal ... And pheasants that people shoot. That's what they were raised for.

Tom Papa 30:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:43 So he brings things back. Like, when I get him up in the morning, right?

Tom Papa 30:45 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 30:45 He, uh, he stays in this little room and, uh, when I get up in the morning at 7:00 to, you know, take my kids to school and all that stuff-

Tom Papa 30:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:52 ... I ... When I open up the door, he whines like crazy, he gets crazy, wags his tail.

Tom Papa 30:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:56 "Ooh, ooh, so happy to see you!" But the first thing he does is pick up a toy.

Tom Papa 31:00 Yeah.

Guest 31:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:00 The first thing, he picks up a stuffed animal and comes to me with the stuffed animal in his mouth. Like, these are ... This is not-

Tom Papa 31:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:05 ... something that we taught him.

Tom Papa 31:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:06 But this is something that-

Tom Papa 31:07 And golden retrievers all around the world, doing the same exact thing.

Joe Rogan 31:10 Yep, all around the world. All around the world.

Tom Papa 31:12 All. The, the same exact thing.

Joe Rogan 31:13 There's certain traits-

Tom Papa 31:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:14 ... that they've ... And I believe that Italians, my, my people-

Tom Papa 31:19 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:20 My people.

Tom Papa 31:20 Yep.

Joe Rogan 31:20 I'm not saying this about-

Tom Papa 31:21 Mine, too.

Joe Rogan 31:21 Yeah, and yours, too. I'm mostly Italian. They're savage folk.

Tom Papa 31:26 (laughs) They-

Joe Rogan 31:26 This is just a fact, man.

Tom Papa 31:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:28 Just a fact. There's ...

Tom Papa 31:29 There's a streak.

Joe Rogan 31:30 There's a streak. It goes back to the Romans. That's what I really, absolutely-

Tom Papa 31:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:33 ... 100% believe.

Tom Papa 31:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:35 And that, um, I think there are certain civilizations that have a longer history of being civilized and, and less violence.

Tom Papa 31:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:42 And I think when you are ... When you're dealing with folks that have an ... A real history of violence-

Tom Papa 31:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:51 ... in their culture, and that this translates generation to generation. It transfers down to the children.

Tom Papa 31:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:58 And I think this guy is part of that. I mean, it's like there's not ... It's not, uh, a coincidence that the, the Italian mob's so ruthlessly brutal, or the Russian mob's-

Tom Papa 32:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:07 ... so ruthlessly brutal.

Tom Papa 32:08 (coughs) Excuse me. No, for sure, there's definitely that part of it. And then there's the other part of it that, like you said, there's, uh, there's the nurture part of it. Who knows what was going on in this guy's life that ... You know, okay-

Joe Rogan 32:21 Yeah.

Tom Papa 32:21 ... so here we have two Italian brothers, right?

Joe Rogan 32:24 Yeah.

Tom Papa 32:25 Raised the same way, Italian hot streak, all this thing. One brother-

Joe Rogan 32:27 And they're working together.

Tom Papa 32:28 One brother (laughs) decided to burn the house down and slaughter the family.

Joe Rogan 32:31 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 32:31 The other Italian guy didn't have that in his to-do list.

Joe Rogan 32:35 But not necessarily, because I don't know if they planned it out, or if he did it just because ... I mean, he had a knife on him and a gun. Maybe he was one of those crazy assholes that brought a knife and a gun everywhere. Who the fuck knows?

Tom Papa 32:45 Yeah, who knows?

Joe Rogan 32:47 But they were in business together. And you know, people in business together-

Tom Papa 32:50 It's not good.

Joe Rogan 32:50 ... they get crazy, and they get real resentful and, you know, they think one person's not doing their fair share, or one person fucks up a deal, or one person's costing them money and, uh-

Tom Papa 32:59 Oh, but yeah, no, who knows?

Joe Rogan 33:00 But how the fuck do you kill each other?

Tom Papa 33:03 So there's no-

Joe Rogan 33:03 How do you stab a baby, man? How do you stab an eight-year-old daughter?

Tom Papa 33:06 Well, you take it in your hand.

Joe Rogan 33:08 Oh.

Tom Papa 33:08 Yeah, I have no idea. But the Italians also like wine. More wine, please.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Oh, someone's drunk.

Tom Papa 33:13 Uh ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:14 Oh, I'll have to give you one of these 0% alcohol Heinekens.

Tom Papa 33:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:18 These are supposed to be the most delicious. I've never had it, but I'm gonna try one of these. They're supposed to be the most delicious non-alcoholic beer.

Tom Papa 33:26 Non-alcoholic beer.

Joe Rogan 33:26 Everybody was recommended. They said that if you wanna try-

Tom Papa 33:29 I'll try them.

Joe Rogan 33:29 ... non-alcoholic beer that doesn't suck, get this, uh, Heineken 0.0%. So ...

Tom Papa 33:35 Heineken 0.0%. Cheers.

Joe Rogan 33:36 Yeah. It's supposed to be the shit. Mm.

Tom Papa 33:42 Tastes like Heineken.

Joe Rogan 33:43 It does.

Tom Papa 33:44 (laughs) There's literally no difference.

Joe Rogan 33:46 Pretty damn good for non-alcoholic beer. Doesn't have that weird "I'm f- lying to myself" funk to it.

Tom Papa 33:53 Yeah, it doesn't have that, uh, weird aftertaste.

Joe Rogan 33:55 If I was a junkie ...

Tom Papa 33:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:57 ... I would not wanna try, um-

Tom Papa 34:00 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 34:00 ... opiate-free heroin.

Tom Papa 34:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:02 (laughs)

Tom Papa 34:02 It, it tastes just like it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:06 It just ... (laughs) It just ... (laughs) It just doesn't seem like-

Tom Papa 34:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:07 ... it'd be a smart move, but alcoholics will drink non-alcoholic beer.

Tom Papa 34:12 Walk into a liquor store, buy this non-alcoholic beer.

Joe Rogan 34:14 Yeah, you're, you're a rat on the-

Tom Papa 34:15 Talk to the guy behind the counter.

Joe Rogan 34:16 You're demons. You're literally at the gate of hell.

Tom Papa 34:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:19 And the, the, the fucking demons are reaching out ... (screams)

Tom Papa 34:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:23 And you're like, "No, no, no. No, thank you."

Tom Papa 34:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:25 "I'll just have this 0.0%. (laughs) "

Tom Papa 34:28 "Let me just test myself every-"

Guest 34:29 You think people who are clean are cool with taking CBD? Like, 'cause that-

Tom Papa 34:33 Mm, okay.

Joe Rogan 34:34 That's a good question. Well, the marijuana thing is different because I think for the vast majority of human beings ... Obviously, there's a lot of biological diversity, but the ... For the vast majority of human beings, I do not think that marijuana is physically addictive. I think it's entirely possible that for some people it is, but I think for the vast majority of people it is not physically addictive. It's more psychologically addictive.

Tom Papa 34:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:55 So I think it's a different thing. So if they're taking CBD, what they're really ... I mean, it depends on how they're taking it. If they're rolling up a CBD joint ... (laughs)

Guest 35:02 That's-

Tom Papa 35:02 Right? (laughs)

Guest 35:03 There's dab hits of CBD, which is a little extra.

Joe Rogan 35:06 Do they do that?

Tom Papa 35:07 Really?

Guest 35:07 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Okay.

Tom Papa 35:08 Oh, well.

Joe Rogan 35:08 But e- but doesn't some CBD have a little bit of THC?

Guest 35:11 Yeah, that's what I was gonna go with, that I think-

Joe Rogan 35:12 Right.

Tom Papa 35:12 Some of it.

Joe Rogan 35:13 Well, this shit has the tiniest amount of alcohol. It says alcohol-free, but I think it's, like ...

Tom Papa 35:20 What are the calories?

Joe Rogan 35:21 Zero ... 0.04.

Tom Papa 35:25 Alcohol-free beer with natural flavoring.

Joe Rogan 35:27 Do you know, uh, Heineken's one of the few beers that you can drink if you are a celiac? It does not have wheat. It's not a wheat-based beer. So if you're gluten-free-

Tom Papa 35:37 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 35:37 ... you can drink Heineken.

Tom Papa 35:39 Uh-oh.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Maybe not if you're a celiac, but definitely if you're gluten-free.

Guest 35:43 That's not bad.

Joe Rogan 35:44 Yeah. I like it.

Guest 35:45 That's not bad at all.

Joe Rogan 35:47 It's not bad.

Guest 35:47 Half the calories-

Tom Papa 35:48 But ba-

Joe Rogan 35:48 ... of standard.

Tom Papa 35:49 Half the calories of a standard beer?

Joe Rogan 35:50 Yeah.

Tom Papa 35:51 So those other calories are just pure alcohol.

Joe Rogan 35:54 Well, I guess so. Yeah.

Guest 35:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:55 I wonder if there's like a ... You know, um, there's one episode (laughs) of The Opie and Anthony Show. (laughs)

Tom Papa 36:04 (laughs)

Guest 36:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:04 Now that I remember this. (claps hands) Oh my God, I forgot about this.

Guest 36:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:07 We gave this gal, um, who sh- ... They had this, uh ... I think it was ... Her name was Stalker Patty.

Guest 36:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:13 I think that was her name.

Guest 36:14 Oh, yeah. I remember that.

Joe Rogan 36:14 We gave this crazy ... They ... You know how radio shows have these regulars-

Tom Papa 36:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:19 ... that are always coming to the-

Tom Papa 36:20 A whack pack or-

Joe Rogan 36:20 Yeah.

Tom Papa 36:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:21 Well, they gave, uh, this one gal, um, a breath strip, like a standard Listerine breath strip.

Tom Papa 36:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:27 And this is back in the day when, um, I used to get pot breath strips.

Tom Papa 36:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:33 That would ... They would fuck you up so hard.

Tom Papa 36:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:37 I remember I gave a half of one to Tom Segura when we flew to Florida to do gigs together.

Tom Papa 36:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:41 And by the time we landed, he's like, "Dude, I wanna tell you something. I, I almost didn't make it."

Tom Papa 36:46 (laughs) Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 36:46 "I was almost telling these people to turn this flight around." (laughs)

Tom Papa 36:49 Started freaking out.

Joe Rogan 36:50 He was freaking out. Half of a breath strip would put you-

Tom Papa 36:53 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 36:54 ... in a, in an alternative dimension.

Tom Papa 36:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:55 It was so strong. So we gave this gal a regular breath strip. There's a video of it online.

Guest 37:02 I found it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:02 Ahri standing o-

Tom Papa 37:03 Oh.

Guest 37:03 An hour lo- ... Oh, it's like an hour long.

Joe Rogan 37:04 Yeah, yeah. Don't.

Tom Papa 37:05 That had no-

Joe Rogan 37:05 So-

Tom Papa 37:07 Had, had no weed in it?

Joe Rogan 37:08 So Ari gave her this breath strip and then Ahri, uh, proceeded to, like, to talk to her. And she was, like, talking about how high she was and she's so fucked up.

Tom Papa 37:18 Ah.

Joe Rogan 37:18 She couldn't go anywhere. But we all knew that she was sober.

Tom Papa 37:21 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 37:21 But the po- ... Well, like, she was ... When you're a person who's a, like a whack packer-

Tom Papa 37:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:26 ... l- can ... from ... There's a high-

Tom Papa 37:27 Something's wrong.

Joe Rogan 37:28 ... chance there's something ... There's an issue that's not being resolved.

Tom Papa 37:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 37:31 There's no- ... This is not a-

Tom Papa 37:32 Which makes it hard to listen to-

Joe Rogan 37:33 Yeah.

Tom Papa 37:33 ... frankly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:34 This is not a ... Yes.

Tom Papa 37:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:36 Who would a- ... Who would a- ... An actualized human being, that would be the terms.

Tom Papa 37:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:38 This is not an actualized human being.

Tom Papa 37:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:40 This is not someone who's got their shit together. They're-

Tom Papa 37:42 No.

Joe Rogan 37:42 They're reading self-help books-

Tom Papa 37:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:44 ... and fucking getting up at 5:00 and doing yoga. No.

Tom Papa 37:46 No.

Joe Rogan 37:46 No, no, no, no, no.

Tom Papa 37:47 They're just trying to get through the day. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:49 They're barely getting through.

Tom Papa 37:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:50 And they found this thing that makes them ... That they, they cling to.

Tom Papa 37:53 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:55 It's-

Tom Papa 37:55 That's-

Joe Rogan 37:55 It's- Those characteristics are fascinating to me because you s- ... You find them in other things.

Tom Papa 38:00 What do you mean?

Joe Rogan 38:00 Like y- ... Those characteristics of ... These people that find something to belong to and then they become a thing, they become a part of that thing, you would find those people at pool halls, you find those people at martial arts places.

Tom Papa 38:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:12 You find those people that hang out at comedy clubs. It's like they're a little off, but they find a thing-

Tom Papa 38:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:19 ... that becomes their- ... The thing that they do all the time.

Tom Papa 38:21 Even if they're not, like, the comedian, they'll hang out at the comedy cellar.

Joe Rogan 38:25 Yes.

Tom Papa 38:25 But ... Right, right.

Joe Rogan 38:26 And we know those folks, right?

Tom Papa 38:27 Yeah, for sure. And I don't ... I totally get it. I mean, that's community.

Joe Rogan 38:30 Yes.

Tom Papa 38:30 They just wanna belong somewhere. We all want that thing.

Joe Rogan 38:33 Right.

Tom Papa 38:33 We're just, "That's where I go." And I know those faces and-

Joe Rogan 38:36 Yeah.

Tom Papa 38:36 ... they know me and maybe I'm not totally a part of it, but I can go to the pool hall and-

Joe Rogan 38:40 Yes.

Tom Papa 38:41 ... feel l- ... like I went ... I was wanted on my home.

Joe Rogan 38:44 Yes. The pool hall was a perfect place for that because it was a hangout. Like, m- ... A lot of people weren't playing.

Tom Papa 38:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:51 So if you had like three or four tables going, there m- ... Like, so three or four tables would be like, uh, six or eight people playing pool. But there might also be five or six people just hanging out, maybe playing cards, maybe just-

Tom Papa 39:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:04 ... you know, buying coffee and maybe ordering a sandwich or something like that and just sitting there eating.

Tom Papa 39:08 It's important, you know, that, that s- ... I was reading a whole article about that by, uh, David Brooks the other day. And he was saying that that s- ... That, uh, economically, we're richer than we've ever been as a country. And even in the last couple of years, like, poor people, like ... Everyone's standard of living has gone up, which I wasn't really clear on. I thought that, you know, only the rich people were doing ... Were, were, uh, getting richer. But everybody was kind of being lifted up, but we're unhappier than ever before. And the life expectancy is lower than ever before and we're killing ourselves at rates that are higher than ever before. And he was saying that it's that lack of community.

Joe Rogan 39:45 Mm.

Tom Papa 39:45 That w- we don't go to church anymore. We don't belong to those things that gave us meaning-

Joe Rogan 39:51 Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:51 ... every day in our town. And you used to go to church and you'd go to the pool hall or you'd go to the ... You need that sense of belonging. And work is a big part of it. And people now are in this gig economy and they're working Uber, they're working Seamless, they're doing different things. They're isolated. They're by themselves.

Joe Rogan 40:09 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 40:09 They're not working with other people. And it's ... He really w- believes that it's that lack of community and that lack of institutions is why we're very, very unhappy as a, as a country right now.

Joe Rogan 40:20 It makes sense to me. It makes sense to me as a person who's a part of a vital community.

Tom Papa 40:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:25 Um, as a p- ... A comedian.

Tom Papa 40:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:27 You know? Like I was talking ... Jeff Ross was here the other day with Dave Attell and one of the things that he said that really struck with me, he said, "I v- I almost feel like I'm a comedian more than I'm an American." Tsk. I'm like, "I'm a comedian first-"

Tom Papa 40:37 Wow.

Joe Rogan 40:37 "... and I'm an American second."

Tom Papa 40:38 Right?

Joe Rogan 40:39 I was like, "Yeah." Like-

Tom Papa 40:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:40 ... well, if you ... If you're at the airport and you, you know, you run into Dave Attell or whoever it is-

Tom Papa 40:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:46 ... like, it's like, that's like there's a light upon them-

Tom Papa 40:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:49 ... that comes down from heaven.

Tom Papa 40:50 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 40:51 It's like, "One of mine."

Tom Papa 40:52 (laughs) yeah. "Hey."

Joe Rogan 40:53 Yeah.

Tom Papa 40:53 Yeah. You just embrace them. That's why I always (laughs) I always get suspicious of comics who didn't embrace me. Like, as soon as you said-

Joe Rogan 41:00 Yeah.

Tom Papa 41:00 ... like ... I was like, "There's something weird with this guy."

Joe Rogan 41:02 Yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 41:03 There's something, like, off.

Joe Rogan 41:04 Or comics that don't have any comic friends.

Tom Papa 41:07 Yeah. Very weird.

Joe Rogan 41:08 There's a few of those. They're fucking real strange and they're always super selfish.

Tom Papa 41:11 Oh, it's ... Yeah. I can't even, like, figure out exactly what it is, but I'm just like, I know that's not one of the good ones.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Yeah, especially if someone's like a successful comedian.

Tom Papa 41:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:20 That's why it's really weird. Like, you have the opportunity to hang out with some of the most fun people in the world-

Tom Papa 41:23 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 41:24 ... and you're a peer of theirs.

Tom Papa 41:25 And you give them a pass. It's like family.

Joe Rogan 41:27 Yeah.

Tom Papa 41:27 It's like-

Joe Rogan 41:28 Yeah.

Tom Papa 41:28 No, if I ... I did this gig in, uh, in Colorado once and just by chance, it was like this corporate thing, and there was another comic on the bill, who I won't mention. And I was like, "Oh, that's cool. We're in the middle of, like, nowhere and at least there's another comedian here."

Joe Rogan 41:42 Yeah.

Tom Papa 41:42 He did his set, split, didn't talk to me, just like ... There was no-... I was like, I was like your, your dog, like, "Hey, let's play. Let's play."

Joe Rogan 41:50 (laughs)

Tom Papa 41:51 And we just, like, split. I was like-

Joe Rogan 41:53 Oh.

Tom Papa 41:53 ... "That guy's weird. That guy is-"

Joe Rogan 41:55 Yeah.

Tom Papa 41:55 ... "There's something..." And I... And it's true. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:57 I think it's less common now than it was back in the day. And this is another thing that I talked about with the, with Jeff and Dave, is we were talking about camaraderie, that there's, um, there's less competition now than there ever was before.

Tom Papa 42:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:11 Because before there was only a limited number of Tonight Show slots. There was a limited number of sitcoms-

Tom Papa 42:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:16 ... that you could be on, and that's what everybody wanted. Everybody wanted their own sitcom.

Tom Papa 42:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:20 And everybody wanted to be on The Tonight Show.

Tom Papa 42:22 And there were very few of those.

Joe Rogan 42:24 Very few.

Tom Papa 42:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:24 And everybody was competing for these very limited slots.

Tom Papa 42:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:27 And there was very few HBO specials. There was, was not, there wasn't a lot, and there was a lot of us. And so it led to a lot of, like, jealousy, a lot of clawing and scratching.

Tom Papa 42:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:37 And now-

Tom Papa 42:37 I could see that.

Joe Rogan 42:38 ... thanks to many things, thanks to the internet, thanks to YouTube initially, then podcasts, and then Netflix, it seems like the world is our oyster. There's so much.

Tom Papa 42:47 Yeah. You-

Joe Rogan 42:47 All you have to do is put out good content.

Tom Papa 42:49 Totally. And you could have your own audience and-

Joe Rogan 42:51 Yeah.

Tom Papa 42:51 ... he could have his own audience-

Joe Rogan 42:53 Yeah.

Tom Papa 42:53 ... and she could have hers.

Joe Rogan 42:54 Yeah.

Tom Papa 42:54 And all exist without having to per- uh, poach each other's audiences.

Joe Rogan 42:58 Yeah. And, you know, I promote, like, in the beginning of, uh, if you're listening to this on YouTube, it's not on it because it's, uh, something that I do in the beginning of the audio version of it, but I a- I'm always talking about people's specials that are out. Like, the now, the Bumping Mike special with Dave and, and Jeff Ross-

Tom Papa 43:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:16 ... is out now. They're not paying me to say that. Netflix is not-

Tom Papa 43:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:18 ... paying me to say that.

Tom Papa 43:19 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 43:19 The Joey Diaz special or the Christina Pazitzky special, they're not paying me to say that.

Tom Papa 43:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:23 They're d- I'm saying that because these people are all my friends and I want them to prosper.

Tom Papa 43:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:26 I want, I want everything to... I want them to c- I, I think they're great and I want everybody to know that this is great stuff. And if you, if you're a fan of comedy, I wanna help you find-

Tom Papa 43:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:35 It's like, I wanna be that guy at the wine store going, "Hey."

Tom Papa 43:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:37 He has... "You wanna see an $18 bottle of wine that'll knock your dick in the dirt?"

Tom Papa 43:41 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:41 "It's Joey Diaz."

Tom Papa 43:42 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:45 (laughs)

Tom Papa 43:45 Nobody knows about it.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 43:47 But you're gonna love it.

Joe Rogan 43:48 Well, more people know about Joey-

Tom Papa 43:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:49 ... now than ever before.

Tom Papa 43:50 Oh, yeah. Because of you.

Joe Rogan 43:51 But not enough. Not enough.

Tom Papa 43:52 Yeah. No, I know.

Joe Rogan 43:53 He's the best ever.

Tom Papa 43:54 Yeah, he's so funny.

Joe Rogan 43:54 I've never, I've never seen anybody that makes me laugh harder.

Tom Papa 43:57 I don't know if I, if I enjoy him as much as I wa- as, as much as I enjoy how much you enjoy him.

Joe Rogan 44:05 (laughs)

Tom Papa 44:05 (laughs) Like, it really is such a great thing. Just watching you guys, when he's going off and you're laughing at him, it's just, it's like, I could watch that all day.

Joe Rogan 44:13 I feel-

Tom Papa 44:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:15 ... so, uh, thankful, you know.

Tom Papa 44:17 He's so real. He's such a... I mean, he's just one of those-

Joe Rogan 44:19 Yeah.

Tom Papa 44:20 ... people that you just-

Joe Rogan 44:20 He's so real.

Tom Papa 44:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:21 Especially if I have a buzz. I got-

Tom Papa 44:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:23 ... ve- have had a couple drinks, smoked a little weed-

Tom Papa 44:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:25 ... and I watch Joey, I'm so thankful. I'm just like so thankful there's a guy like that out there.

Tom Papa 44:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:30 In my opinion, he's that, the h- the leader of the charge, 'cause he's the most-

Tom Papa 44:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:34 ... reckless and wild and mo- and he, even more so-

Tom Papa 44:37 He's legit.

Joe Rogan 44:37 ... now, now that he did that Netflix special. Oh my God.

Tom Papa 44:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:40 Go, go see him, people.

Tom Papa 44:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:41 He is a fucking monster right now.

Tom Papa 44:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:45 He's like, he's peaking. He's better-

Tom Papa 44:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:46 ... than he was before, and he was the best before.

Tom Papa 44:49 No. It's such a great thing, like when you go to any club and then you, you come in and you just see whatever random people are there. You know, my wife was a comedian, uh, before we had kids, and the first thing she wants to as- she asks when I come back is, "Who, who was there? Who did you see?"

Joe Rogan 45:05 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 45:05 And it's like, "Oh, I saw Steve Byrne. I saw the, who," whatever, and she's like, "Oh." She wants-

Joe Rogan 45:09 Right.

Tom Papa 45:09 ... because she doesn't, she's not part of the community. Like, she is, but she doesn't get to visit.

Joe Rogan 45:13 Yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 45:13 So it's like she misses that sense. And we're very lucky-

Joe Rogan 45:16 Right.

Tom Papa 45:16 ... to have that-

Joe Rogan 45:17 Yeah.

Tom Papa 45:17 ... as grown men, to be able to like walk into this very fun community that you're a part of.

Joe Rogan 45:22 Yeah, man.

Tom Papa 45:23 It gives you meaning. It gives you a-

Joe Rogan 45:24 Yeah.

Tom Papa 45:24 ... sense of, of belonging. And that's what a lot of people don't have nowadays. It's, it's very, uh, a- a- according to David Brooks, it's the reason for everybody's malaise.

Joe Rogan 45:34 I think there's certainly something to that. I think the, it's weird living in places where you don't know your neighbors, you know? I mean, that's-

Tom Papa 45:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:40 ... that's fucking weird. I mean...

Tom Papa 45:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:42 Uh, Norton was telling me that he lives in this big apartment building in New York City and, um, I think he's, uh... I mean, there's gotta be hundreds of people living in that building.

Tom Papa 45:51 Oh, easy.

Joe Rogan 45:51 It's a huge, huge building.

Tom Papa 45:52 Yeah, I know where he is.

Joe Rogan 45:53 He doesn't know anybody.

Tom Papa 45:54 Weird.

Joe Rogan 45:55 He says no, doesn't know anybody. He says he tries to say hi to his neighbor and they look at him like he's a fucking murderer. (laughs)

Tom Papa 46:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:00 Like, like, nobody's friendly to anybody.

Tom Papa 46:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:03 It's like-

Tom Papa 46:03 It's so weird.

Joe Rogan 46:04 ... th- They're like, "You're too loud. Stop making noise." That's what everybody does to people, bang on the door or bang on the floor.

Tom Papa 46:10 Yeah, just conflict.

Joe Rogan 46:11 Banging on the roof. Yeah.

Tom Papa 46:12 It's a weird thing. And it's weird, you know... My, my youngest wants to go to church. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 46:19 How old?

Tom Papa 46:19 13.

Joe Rogan 46:20 Hmm.

Tom Papa 46:21 And, uh-

Joe Rogan 46:21 'Cause of friends? What is it?

Tom Papa 46:24 Maybe. She has more of a, she has more of a sensitivity and like she knows there's something other than, there's something spiritual going on.

Joe Rogan 46:31 Give her mushrooms.

Tom Papa 46:32 (laughs) I think that might've been what kicked the whole thing off.

Joe Rogan 46:37 (laughs)

Tom Papa 46:38 And, uh, and she's just cr- she's s- searching a little bit.

Joe Rogan 46:42 Right.

Tom Papa 46:42 And she wants that. And she likes being able to sit some place and, uh... And we go and it's not like when I was a kid. Like, when I was a kid and we were Catholic, the place was packed. Like, you couldn't find parking. Like, it was like-

Joe Rogan 46:55 Right, right, right.

Tom Papa 46:56 It was a big deal. Like, my father would be like, "We're going early. Come on, get out of the house."

Joe Rogan 47:00 (laughs)

Tom Papa 47:00 "We gotta get a spot. I'm not walking from the back." And it was like a big thing. And now it's like you kinda roll up, it's half full and there's nobody there. And it's, you know... Of course the Catholic Church has a lot of problems and-

Joe Rogan 47:13 You think?

Tom Papa 47:14 ... but, but every, but every-

Joe Rogan 47:15 What do you mean by problems?

Tom Papa 47:16 (laughs) But all these religions-

Joe Rogan 47:18 (laughs)

Tom Papa 47:18 ... have had a little, a little kerfuffle.

Joe Rogan 47:19 No, they haven't.

Tom Papa 47:20 (laughs) A little-

Joe Rogan 47:21 No, they haven't.

Tom Papa 47:21 A little-

Joe Rogan 47:21 Not like the Catholic Church.

Tom Papa 47:23 No, the Catholic Church is the worst.

Joe Rogan 47:24 It's the worst.

Tom Papa 47:26 But b- the... I know, but don't let me get sidetracked.

Joe Rogan 47:28 Okay, I'm sorry.

Tom Papa 47:28 But the, the thing is we know so much now and we're able to see-

Joe Rogan 47:32 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 47:32 ... that all these institutions are flawed.

Joe Rogan 47:34 Right.

Tom Papa 47:34 That they, there's problems with all of them. We used to, people used to think... My grandmother just thought church is the best and this is the best and they didn't ask questions.

Joe Rogan 47:42 Yeah.

Tom Papa 47:42 Now we know everything and we know that all these institutions are flawed. And I think we're making the mistake that you can't be a part of a political party, you can't be a part of a community, you can't be a part of a thing if it's not perfect. But that's not a way to live. You gotta kinda be a little ignorant if you're gonna show up. You gotta kinda, uh, not be ignorant, but allow things to be flawed.

Joe Rogan 48:03 Or start a new one.

Tom Papa 48:05 ... go on.

Joe Rogan 48:06 Yeah. I mean, the, the right way to address the issues of a flawed institution and not just accept them, but to try to create a new institution that doesn't have as many flaws. I mean, that's what we-

Tom Papa 48:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:18 ... that's not what we did, but what our founding fathers did when they established the United States of America.

Tom Papa 48:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:23 The idea was to establish a place where you have an experiment in self-government-

Tom Papa 48:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:29 ... and that's never existed before in the world, and this is what the United States represents to the rest of the world outside of us.

Tom Papa 48:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:35 I mean, this is what we... Again, I keep saying "we." It's not a "we," but what the people that established the United States did, was they broke the mold as to how a world superpower, or a country, it wasn't a superpower at the time-

Tom Papa 48:50 Yeah. Could exist.

Joe Rogan 48:51 ... but how a country could exist, and then that country... I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that out of just a couple hundred years, that country emerged the greatest superpower the world's ever known.

Tom Papa 48:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:59 I think that freedom allows unprecedented activity in terms of innovation, in terms of creativity, and not being suppressed and not being in total fear for your life for any form of dissent.

Tom Papa 49:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:13 So any... And the, and the, and this is, this goes back to not just religion, but any sort of c- any group.

Tom Papa 49:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:21 Any, any, any group that's in control of any sort of a situation. As soon as you suppress all the other people-

Tom Papa 49:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:29 ... you, you limit their ability to contribute.

Tom Papa 49:32 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 49:33 And, and this is what has existed all throughout Europe and what existed all throughout Asia, all throughout the rest of the world-

Tom Papa 49:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:39 ... when the United States came along. And then when the United States came along, all of a sudden, you have this unprecedented development and growth in this one place where people are allowed to be free.

Tom Papa 49:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:49 Where we support free expression, wh- we, we support freedom of speech-

Tom Papa 49:54 Free religion.

Joe Rogan 49:54 ... free, freedom of religion, and we separate church and state.

Tom Papa 49:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:58 And this is one of the reasons why these things are so important. So when you get, like, religious fundamentalist wackos that say, "This, this country was founded on Christian values," that doesn't matter.

Tom Papa 50:07 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 50:07 It doesn't matter if you're a peaceful Muslim, if you're a peaceful Buddhist, if you're a peaceful Mormon, whatever the fuck it is, we should all embrace each other.

Tom Papa 50:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:15 We should allow each other 100% freedom. And as soon as someone starts restricting that freedom and restricting people's ability to express themselves, you run into real problems because then you don't let these things play out in their natural order. You don't let ideas play out where people get to examine those ideas-

Tom Papa 50:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:32 ... and change... Like, look, if you look at some of the more suppressive areas of the Middle East, the real problem is that these people li-... Not just... There's many real problems, but-

Tom Papa 50:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:41 ... one of the real problems is people live in fear, so there's no real freedom of expression. And there's also this real desire for conformity.

Tom Papa 50:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:49 This real desire to establish that you are a part of the group that is one of the good ones, that's gonna abide by the rules, and you are going to show everyone else that you are a part of this group, whether it means throwing gay people off buildings or throwing rocks at women-

Tom Papa 51:05 I was just gonna say...

Joe Rogan 51:06 ... that have been adulterers. All that stuff.

Tom Papa 51:07 I was just gonna say, like, your life actually depends on you conforming.

Joe Rogan 51:10 Yes. Yes.

Tom Papa 51:10 I was with my friend the other day who's gay, and he was saying that he can't-

Joe Rogan 51:14 You have a gay friend?

Tom Papa 51:14 He... Uh, just one.

Joe Rogan 51:15 Stop the show.

Tom Papa 51:16 Just one. Just, come on, fellas.

Joe Rogan 51:17 Shut, shut it off.

Tom Papa 51:18 Come on, fellas.

Joe Rogan 51:18 Shut it off.

Tom Papa 51:19 (laughs) And it really-

Joe Rogan 51:21 How close?

Tom Papa 51:22 He's close.

Joe Rogan 51:23 Comes over your house?

Tom Papa 51:24 So close.

Joe Rogan 51:25 Whoa. (laughs)

Tom Papa 51:27 I didn't realize he can't go to half of the planet as an open gay man.

Joe Rogan 51:31 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 51:32 He can't go to Russia. He can't go to the, all of the Middle East. There's parts of Asia. Like, they will kill you-

Joe Rogan 51:37 Yeah.

Tom Papa 51:37 ... if you're gay in those areas.

Joe Rogan 51:38 Yeah.

Tom Papa 51:39 I mean, talk about... I mean...

Joe Rogan 51:41 Right.

Tom Papa 51:42 What's gonna make a, a, a city flourish than gay people coming in with bold ideas? "Let's go."

Joe Rogan 51:49 (laughs) Yeah.

Tom Papa 51:49 I mean, I saw them change parts of New York like it was nobody's business.

Joe Rogan 51:52 Well, and also I think that, like, the, the, the, what's great about gay folks is when gay folks are embraced and they're allowed to be themselves-

Tom Papa 51:59 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 52:00 ... and then they can express that, and then you get to see that, like, there's a, there's such a giant spectrum of the way people behave and think and the things that they love. And if you don't allow people-

Tom Papa 52:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:10 ... to express their position on that spectrum, then you don't even know it exists.

Tom Papa 52:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:15 And then you create all sorts of deviance because, you know, you're forcing them into this, some unnatural pattern, which is one of the things that I think about the Catholic Church. I think-

Tom Papa 52:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:23 ... part of the problem is that these people are suppressed sexually.

Tom Papa 52:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:27 Like, incredibly suppressed, not just suppressed in terms of their, whether they're homosexual or heterosexual, but there's no sex. You're not allowed to have any sex.

Tom Papa 52:35 Right. Yeah. So how's it gonna come out?

Joe Rogan 52:38 It's fucking insane. It's like-

Tom Papa 52:39 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 52:40 ... being in denial of the fact that you need to drink water.

Tom Papa 52:43 And it's so upsetting because I'm really kind of searching a little bit, because I was raised Catholic. And I did like going... I have what she has. I did like going and sitting in the pew on Sunday, was different from the other days.

Joe Rogan 52:57 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 52:57 And I used to... I got to hear people talk about being nice to each other, and I got to see the people from my town who you saw running around, but now they're just sitting there quietly and praying. There was goodness to it.

Joe Rogan 53:08 Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:08 And they went out and fed the homeless.

Joe Rogan 53:09 Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:09 There was good stuff that came from it. And she wants that. I get that. And now you're sitting in an institution, though, and you know the backstory of what's going on. It's... You know? How do you sit there?

Joe Rogan 53:22 Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:23 How do you sit there? So, I'm, I'm... (laughs) I said to her last night, "Maybe we should just go to yoga." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:29 (laughs)

Tom Papa 53:29 We'll s- uh, satisfy your spiritual side, but-

Joe Rogan 53:32 Right.

Tom Papa 53:32 You know?

Joe Rogan 53:33 But then, they're wacky, too, man. I mean...

Tom Papa 53:34 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:35 Look, I go to, um, uh, uh, Bikram yoga. I go to hot yoga.

Tom Papa 53:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:39 The 90-minute hot yoga. And that guy, I don't think he's allowed to come in this country.

Tom Papa 53:44 No, he's not.

Joe Rogan 53:44 Isn't that the deal?

Tom Papa 53:45 The guy who made Bikram? No.

Joe Rogan 53:46 Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:46 No, that guy-

Joe Rogan 53:47 I do not think he's a... See, find out if that's the case.

Tom Papa 53:50 He was... He w- he got a little rapey. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:53 Well, he definitely got a little... He took advantage of his privilege, his position.

Tom Papa 54:01 His power.

Joe Rogan 54:02 Well, yeah, I guess you could say power, but the reverence that people had towards him.

Tom Papa 54:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:07 They, they felt like he was a guru, and so he would get these girls alone-

Tom Papa 54:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:11 ... and he would make them suck his dick or whatever.

Tom Papa 54:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:13 But I, I think...... uh, see, now this ... I'm getting ... This is very dangerous waters.

Tom Papa 54:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:19 But I was having a conversation with a woman who is a ... She's a actually an instructor. And she said, "Listen, that guy is definitely creepy. But let me tell you something. A lot of those girls not only knew what he was about, but they wanted to be with him."

Tom Papa 54:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:37 "They wanted to be with him because of his power and because he represented something special to them."

Tom Papa 54:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:42 "And then when he just, like, shot a load in their mouth and then kicked 'em to the curb, then they became angry and decided they were molested. They went into it willingly." I do not know if she's accurate or inaccurate.

Tom Papa 54:54 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 54:54 Because I was not there and I'm not a woman.

Tom Papa 54:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:56 But I do know that people have like a, like ... I remember women throwing, not throwing themselves, but making it, like, very clear that they were ... Uh, they had deep admiration for my martial arts instructor.

Tom Papa 55:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:11 When I was, when I was a young kid and I was, uh, practicing TaeKwonDo.

Tom Papa 55:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:15 I remember these women, they were so in awe of my martial arts instructor.

Tom Papa 55:19 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:19 Because he represented the, a master of something that they were deeply enamored by.

Tom Papa 55:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:25 And I think that's also what happens with these yoga people.

Tom Papa 55:28 Yeah, it's seductive.

Joe Rogan 55:30 Yes.

Tom Papa 55:30 You know? It- it's seductive. You know, there's ... And, and also with something like that, it's very physical and mental and spiritual. It's-

Joe Rogan 55:37 It's sexual.

Tom Papa 55:38 It's sexual.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Like-

Tom Papa 55:39 It's-

Joe Rogan 55:39 ... yoga is-

Tom Papa 55:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:40 Look, I don't ... I've never had any sex with anybody in my yoga class, but-

Tom Papa 55:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:44 But I'm telling you, when everybody's in there sweating and, and y- y- e- everyone's-

Tom Papa 55:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:48 ... almost naked. I- I'm wearing these little fucking shorts and these girls are wearing these little shorts and ...

Tom Papa 55:52 (laughs) And the teacher goes around and she, like calls you out.

Joe Rogan 55:54 Yeah.

Tom Papa 55:54 It's like, "Oh, she likes me." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:56 Yes. I can understand how some of those people get intimate with each other after this is all over, because they're, they're so close to being naked and sweating together.

Tom Papa 56:05 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 56:05 You know?

Tom Papa 56:06 And your friend is right, uh, in that there, there were some women, I'm sure, who wanted to be with him.

Joe Rogan 56:11 Yes.

Tom Papa 56:12 But it's his-

Joe Rogan 56:12 My friend was not dismissing any rapey shit either.

Tom Papa 56:14 Yeah. But it's his responsibility because he has the power and knows what he's wielding, like in a workplace kind of thing. It's up to you to be the one who puts the brakes on it.

Joe Rogan 56:23 Right. That's where it gets interesting.

Tom Papa 56:24 That's ... Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:24 Because he does not seem to think that he does have any responsibility at all for the people that are working for him teaching these classes and sh- ... Like he was-

Tom Papa 56:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:33 He did this HBO documentary. It was fucking ... They, they did this HBO, uh, interview about him.

Tom Papa 56:38 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 56:38 It was so ridiculous.

Tom Papa 56:40 This is the Bikram guy?

Joe Rogan 56:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes, "There are women that will pay $1 million for one drop of my sperm."

Tom Papa 56:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:47 He says this. See if you can find the video.

Tom Papa 56:50 So he's fully aware. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:51 Pe- Bikram said ... He's fucking crazy.

Tom Papa 56:53 He's fully aware of his power.

Joe Rogan 56:54 He's crazy.

Tom Papa 56:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:56 They w- ... Uh, yeah, uh, he was s-

Tom Papa 56:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:58 He was dismissing the idea that he would ever sexually assault anyone. He's like, "Why would I do that when there's women that will pay $1 million for one drop of my sperm?"

Tom Papa 57:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:11 Well, it wasn't that one.

Tom Papa 57:12 Yeah, but why?

Joe Rogan 57:13 It wasn't ... Yeah.

Tom Papa 57:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:15 It wasn't Bri- ... Bryant Gumbel wasn't there. The- ... I think they're discussing it.

Tom Papa 57:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:20 They're discussing the sperm comment.

Tom Papa 57:22 Now that ... You got to see the guy, because he looks like a ...

Joe Rogan 57:24 'Cause he said the comment to a woman and she was like this. She was like, "What in the fuck did you say?"

Tom Papa 57:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:31 (laughs) She ... You know, like-

Tom Papa 57:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:34 HBO's-

Tom Papa 57:34 There he is, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:35 ... Andrea Kremer, uh, breaks down million-dollar sperm interview. (laughs)

Tom Papa 57:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:41 Million-dollar sperm interview. (laughs)

Tom Papa 57:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:45 There's some shit that you say ... There's some shit that you say where people go, "Wait."

Tom Papa 57:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:49 "What the fuck did you say?"

Tom Papa 57:51 Wait. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:51 "Holy shit."

Tom Papa 57:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:53 Yeah, there's some things that are-

Tom Papa 57:55 It's funny.

Joe Rogan 57:56 ... what's called ... That you would call beyond the pale.

Tom Papa 57:58 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:58 Right?

Tom Papa 57:59 Well, I love ... (laughs) I love just seeing pic- ... You hear these stories, then you see him, he's like ... You're ... You're like Grandpa. He's, like, all loose-skinned and he's-

Joe Rogan 58:06 Yeah.

Tom Papa 58:06 ... balding and ... But that's the thing. It's like when you're in a power- a powerful position like that ...

Joe Rogan 58:12 "He's very spiritual."

Tom Papa 58:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:15 "And people will pay $1 million." What does it say? From Being Circumspect in Real Sport, uh, the 70-year-old went off on a rant claiming 5,000 women a day want to sleep with him, four have committed suicide over his charms, and people would pay $1 million for a drop of his sperm.

Tom Papa 58:37 See, now, I would-

Joe Rogan 58:37 Can you imagine if you lived in that world? I would just shoot loads every day and then retire. If you, if you just drank-

Tom Papa 58:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:43 ... ate a lot of zinc ... a lot of zinc and, like, what makes loads? Oysters?

Tom Papa 58:49 Celery.

Joe Rogan 58:50 Yeah. Is that ... Really?

Tom Papa 58:51 Yeah, celery.

Joe Rogan 58:52 That's vegan nonsense propaganda.

Tom Papa 58:54 No.

Joe Rogan 58:54 Don't listen to those people.

Tom Papa 58:55 Celery, celery adds to the pop. (fingers snapping)

Joe Rogan 58:56 What tells you ... Who tells you that?

Tom Papa 58:58 The celery people.

Joe Rogan 58:59 (laughs)

Tom Papa 59:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:00 That's like, that's like some fucking celery lobby.

Tom Papa 59:04 No, it's true. Celery does.

Joe Rogan 59:05 How do you know?

Tom Papa 59:06 I remem- ... I read something. Porn people, right?

Joe Rogan 59:08 Mm.

Tom Papa 59:09 Celery?

Joe Rogan 59:09 Yeah, celery. If ... You know.

Tom Papa 59:12 What's Jamie got here?

Joe Rogan 59:13 Oh, here he is.

Guest 59:14 I can make a line, the most beautiful, famous, rich women in the world, if I have to sleep with women, then I have to sleep, you know, 5,000 girl every day. She call them.

Joe Rogan 59:25 5,000 women a day want to sleep with you?

Guest 59:27 (laughs) They commit suicide, four of them.

Joe Rogan 59:31 You're saying that four different women-

Guest 59:33 Four different women.

Joe Rogan 59:34 ... each killed themself-

Guest 59:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:35 ... because you wouldn't have sex with them?

Guest 59:36 All right. Why I have to harass women? Peoples pay $1 million for one drop of my sperm.

Tom Papa 59:44 (laughs)

Guest 59:45 I can make million dollar a day, every drop. You are that idiot or dumb to believe those trash?

Tom Papa 59:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:54 The women are the trash?

Guest 59:55 Yeah. I pick them from trash and give them life.

Tom Papa 1:00:01 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 Woo, that's so spiritual.

Guest 1:00:02 70 years old, he looks pretty good for a 70-year-old. (laughs)

Tom Papa 1:00:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 That's from selling all that loads.

Tom Papa 1:00:10 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 It don't smell good.

Guest 1:00:12 Don't last very long.

Tom Papa 1:00:13 Yeah. (laughs)

Guest 1:00:13 Got to ... They-

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 They get gross.

Guest 1:00:14 ... got to dry up real quick.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Yeah, they get gross.Do you know, uh-

Tom Papa 1:00:17 Oh, man. Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Yeah. So that spiritual thing, like the whole-

Tom Papa 1:00:22 But that's, but that's ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 Yeah. It's like, uh, the problem with it is you're still an animal, right? So if the animal-

Tom Papa 1:00:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 It's like we were talking about before, where the wolves go on these surplus kills-

Tom Papa 1:00:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 ... and they kill all these elk and they don't eat 'em.

Tom Papa 1:00:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 Like, in Wyoming, there was a recent issue, there was 18 elk that were killed by wolves in these surplus killings. It was a real tragedy.

Tom Papa 1:00:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 I mean, these wolves can't help themselves. It's just their instincts. So his instincts as a man, he has instincts to procreate, right? He has instincts to respond to women that are sexually attracted to him. And he teaches these classes in front of hundreds and thousands of people, and everybody loves and adores him. So in his fucked up, twisted brain-

Tom Papa 1:01:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 ... everything that he said there made sense.

Tom Papa 1:01:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 My favorite part of it was that woman, Andrea, when she-

Tom Papa 1:01:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 ... when she clarified.

Tom Papa 1:01:09 Yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 "So you're saying-"

Tom Papa 1:01:11 So you're saying ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 "... that four women have committed su-" Like, I want ... This motherfucker has to be clear on this nonsense.

Tom Papa 1:01:17 (laughs) I like how she's-

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 Like, there he is. <|agent|><|en|>

Tom Papa 1:01:19 She doesn't even change her expressions. She's just like, "So you're saying?"

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 1:01:23 Yeah. I mean, look at that girl right now. He's standing on top of a woman's hips as she's bent over backwards. That girl is like, "He wants me. He's standing over me."

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:01:33 This is a-

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 By the way, I've taken a lot of yoga classes. Nobody ever stood on my hips.

Tom Papa 1:01:36 No. No way.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 If they did, they'd be like, "Hey, bro."

Tom Papa 1:01:38 But I do like it when you're doing yoga and they come over and they, like, push your legs down and you're like, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 Yeah. Well, assisted stretching.

Tom Papa 1:01:44 A little, a little deeper. Oh, shit, I just spilled-

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Assisted-

Tom Papa 1:01:46 I spilled wine.

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 Just spill wine. Leave it there, bro. Let it sink in.

Tom Papa 1:01:49 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 It's like something else. It's good for the, the s- the patina.

Tom Papa 1:01:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 I'm learning those, those terms. The patina.

Tom Papa 1:01:56 So-

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Just gonna leave that there.

Tom Papa 1:01:57 So when you're in the church-

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 The Church of Yoga?

Tom Papa 1:02:00 Om.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 Or a real church?

Tom Papa 1:02:02 And you're abusing your power.

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 Uh, that's a different animal because you're deal- do ... Abusing it with children.

Tom Papa 1:02:08 Yeah, it's so bad.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 You know, it's a totally different animal.

Tom Papa 1:02:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 You know, when you're taking six-year-olds and abusing them, it's a different animal.

Tom Papa 1:02:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 You know, I mean, like, it's like there's levels to this shit, right? Like, the guy killing his brother is horrific to me.

Tom Papa 1:02:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 The guy killing his brother's wife, more horrific. The guy killing his brother's wife and then kids, impossible, demonic. It's like that ... Uh, what you were saying earlier, like, do you believe in good or evil?

Tom Papa 1:02:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 I don't know if I believe in it, but if it did exist, it exists in, in the mind of men.

Tom Papa 1:02:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 It exists in, in that time, you know? It's like-

Tom Papa 1:02:36 I know. Or if ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 But, you know, it's like what ... I, I had this bit that I did on my last special, and it was about men's rights groups. And it was ... I, I was trying to figure out a way to say this and make it be funny, but it's so true that I said, "Men commit most of the murder."

Tom Papa 1:02:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 "Men commit most of the rape. Men cause all the war." This is ... These are facts.

Tom Papa 1:02:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 Like, the most horrific things in our life are war-

Tom Papa 1:03:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 ... murder, rape. Those are the most horrific things-

Tom Papa 1:03:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 ... in all of life. I mean-

Tom Papa 1:03:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 ... theft pales in comparison. And I think men steal more than women too.

Tom Papa 1:03:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 But that, th- that's the evil. This is if there was a demon and the demon came down to earth and there was only three things that it could get you to do-

Tom Papa 1:03:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 ... it would get you to rape, murder, and cause war.

Tom Papa 1:03:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 So if a demon was real-

Tom Papa 1:03:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 ... the demon would be men. I get ... I said this as a joke, that I get feminists, like, in the special. I was like, "I get it." If I was a feminist, I'd be one too.

Tom Papa 1:03:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 I'm like, "I can't be one as a man 'cause they're not real." 'Cause, like, male feminists, like, they're just tricksters. They're just ... Like, show me a male feminist that can pick up heavy things and run really fast.

Tom Papa 1:03:42 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 They don't exist.

Tom Papa 1:03:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Like, this is ... You have a limited parameter where you're allowed to be a male feminist.

Tom Papa 1:03:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 But ... But I get it.

Tom Papa 1:03:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Like, when I look at the actions of men, if you're an objective person and you take yourself out of the human race and you look at all, all human beings-

Tom Papa 1:03:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 ... and you look at the horror that men have ... Not that women haven't done awful shit and falsely accused people and killed their kids. And women have done all those things.

Tom Papa 1:04:07 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Some women.

Tom Papa 1:04:08 Some.

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 But the vast majority of horrors-

Tom Papa 1:04:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 ... have been-

Tom Papa 1:04:12 Have been. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 ... committed by men.

Tom Papa 1:04:13 Yeah. I know. It's like, I know it's a very primitive, uh, uh, way to look at the world, that there's good and evil and it exists in these certain ways.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 Want some pot? That's good. It's all good.

Tom Papa 1:04:24 All right, but let's-

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 A little hit of that. Don't get crazy on it.

Tom Papa 1:04:26 I'm worried that I won't be funnier after I do this.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Okay.

Tom Papa 1:04:29 But let's see. It'll be an experiment.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Jamie will pick up the slack. Dude, you're like Elon Musk. You're a goddamn par- pioneer. Is it good? Jamie's gonna go deeper. (laughs) He's crazy. Jamie's going for three, I think. Is that three?

Tom Papa 1:04:42 Jamie has hip problems.

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 If you, uh, if you see a video of the floor (laughs) -

Tom Papa 1:04:48 (laughs) It's 'cause it's Jamie.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 Jamie hits the, Jamie hits the wrong button.

Tom Papa 1:04:50 (laughs) He's like Biggie Smalls over there-

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 Number three.

Tom Papa 1:04:52 ... in a cloud of ...

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 What's amaze- amazing to me is that this is now 100% legal here.

Tom Papa 1:04:57 It's so-

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 But still not federally, right? And that-

Tom Papa 1:05:00 Well, that's, that's what was funny about the Elon thing, when Elon smoked it here.

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:05:04 It was like, it's totally legal, it's totally okay. But in everyone's minds, they're still like, "No, it's not." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Yeah. Well, they need to let it go, and this is-

Tom Papa 1:05:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 ... why they need to let it go. We're on your side, you know. I'm on, I'm on, I'm on ... Like, the s- the good people of government, law enforcement, fire department, military, the good people of gov ... I'm on your side, man.

Tom Papa 1:05:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 Uh, and I'm a stoner.

Tom Papa 1:05:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 I mean, I'm on your side. I'm on your side a thousand million percent.

Tom Papa 1:05:31 And making it legal actually helps all that because now you don't have to go out and fight these-

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 It doesn't just-

Tom Papa 1:05:36 ... phony wars against it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 It doesn't just do that. It makes people more compassionate.

Tom Papa 1:05:40 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 It makes people ... Look, it's like everything else. You can abuse beating off, you know. I remember when I was-

Tom Papa 1:05:46 A million dollars a drop.

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 One million dollars-

Tom Papa 1:05:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 ... for one drop of my sperm. You know, if you're a person that gets obsessed with masturbation-

Tom Papa 1:05:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 ... like, you could ruin your life.

Tom Papa 1:05:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 There's people that have-

Tom Papa 1:05:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 ... legitimate porn addictions, where they watch porn eight, ten hours a day.

Tom Papa 1:06:03 And they can't stop.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 Right. This is like everything.

Tom Papa 1:06:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 It's ... I think you can ruin yourself with sugar. You can ruin yourself with food. You can ruin yourself with, with laziness. You can-

Tom Papa 1:06:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 You can get into a habit where you just can't get up.

Tom Papa 1:06:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 You know, you can, you can get into a comfort zone where you just wanna take baths all day.

Tom Papa 1:06:20 (laughs) Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 You know? People do shit like that.

Tom Papa 1:06:22 Yeah. No, I know. Exactly. Yeah. There's-

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 ... didn't Roseanne say she did that after all of her bullshit went down? She just got in the bath all the time and drank wine?

Tom Papa 1:06:30 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 Was that her that said that?

Tom Papa 1:06:32 It was her safe space.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 I apologize if it wasn't. But, um-

Tom Papa 1:06:36 So, so anyway, as, as... I know it's a very basic way. I mean, we've been talking about good and evil since the time of, uh, w- the men were able and women were able to, you know, write and-

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 Right.

Tom Papa 1:06:46 ... and philosophize and... But it, it... I don't know. It just seems to me (laughs) lately like I've seen... It feels to me like evil and good is actually a force that we're struggling with.

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:06:58 And I know there's... I know, like, some people would say that's kind of a, you know, a primitive way of thinking, but I do kinda feel like, uh, it actually is a very, uh, real, tangible thing, and that-

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 What